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zzzchan + 8chan DMZ Anonymous 01/08/2023 (Sun) 20:22:33 No.4534
Given the recent doxing of Eden and the perpetual state of flux and dramafaggotry the webring is inebriated in, the purpose of this thread is to serve as neutral territory for the anons of zzzchan and 8chan to talk with each other. I still believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that both sites can make amends. We are splintered enough as it is, and both sides have bad actors that false flag, false-false flag, etc., to try and drive the other away, when in reality it is most likely just a handful (if that) of retards that are determined to wage war against the two sites for reasons that can only be explained as astronomically-sized autism and egos the size of the sun. In the end, anons of both sites still enjoy shitposting, hate jews and 3DPD, and just want to play video games. With that being said, this thread seeks to answer the following questions: >what site you primarily frequent/"belong" to >why you use that site and not the other >what you really think about "the others" >if you really think the gap between user bases is too large to be overcome at this point, and why or why not >what you would like to do to solve it Obvious bait that drags the thread off-topic or tries to bring the war to this neutral territory should be ignored, reported, and hidden. PLEASE restrain yourselves from replying to such obvious bait.
Ehh, the webring isn't immersed in dramafaggotry internally, but 8chan.moe blacked.gov troons obviously stir much D&C shit as they always have since their day one. They of course are not part of the webring, and do it from the outside. So your very first sentence is disingenuous and this thread a shit.
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hate me yids, hate me feds, hate blacked.gov simple as m8s may the ghost o HER MAJESTY the fokin queen burn all me enemies
>>4534 I primarily use zzzchan, primarily since 8moe's /b/ makes zzz's look heavenly in comparison. 8/co/ is cool, but I don't really care much for 8moe's /v/. Overall, I think that the Anons on 8moe are mostly fine, I only really have beef with the site admins. I do hope that one day Anons can join together, but I don't really know how that could really happen. But that's just like, my opinion, man.
>>4534 >both sides have bad actors that false flag, false-false flag, etc., to try and drive the other away, when in reality it is most likely just a handful (if that) of retards that are determined to wage war against the two sites for reasons that can only be explained as astronomically-sized autism and egos the size of the sun. >Muh both sites As a primary resident of niggerchan, I call niggerbullshit. I can't recall a single instance of the zigger administration or BOs/vols being the source of an issue. It was always Acid, Mark, or some vol infiltrating major boards of Markchan. >anons of both sites still enjoy shitposting, hate jews and 3DPD, and just want to play video games I haven't played the vija in months, and if anons on Markchan really hated Jews, they wouldn't be on Cakechan. >what site you primarily frequent/"belong" to 8moe. >why you use that site and not the other It's got activity and shitposting and GG threads serve me well enough as a news aggregate. >what you really think about "the others" Which ones? I think zzz a cool and dosen't afraid of anything. >if you really think the gap between user bases is too large to be overcome at this point, and why or why not It's too big. The answer is momentum. Simple as. >what you would like to do to solve it There's no fixing it. All things become more centralized given time.
>>4538 Oh, and I also use 8moe for /h/, /t/, and /loli/. Occasionally /co/. I use PLW for /hgg/.
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I think the biggest wedge is that anons are distrustful of sites for several reasons. anon.cafe had a literal fed as /k/ BO for a while, Acid has worked with the feds, Mark is... Mark, and for reasons I don't quite understand zzz has been painted as a honeypot as well, despite no evidence that I have seen to back it up. Does anyone have any? Please share it if you do, and if it's legitimate. >>4538 Obviously by posting here and being candid you've already proven that anons are willing to just talk with each other and shitpost in peace, so your post already proves all the circlejerk mods wrong. Thank you for that.
Another idea for bridging the gap is co-hosted gamenights. While both sides have decent userbases, maybe only 5-10% of them show up for gamenights, and rarely play the whole weekend. I think that by combining the two and not gatekeeping the other one out, much vidya can be enjoyed. What games are there that are universal and good with a large player roster, don't requre tedious setup, and preferably aren't an FPS, as those are typically overplayed?
>>4540 >and for reasons I don't quite understand zzz has been painted as a honeypot as well despite no evidence Mostly by Eden with a bit of faggotry from Mark and Acid. >Obviously by posting here and being candid you've already proven that anons are willing to just talk with each other and shitpost in peace I am but one homosexual, and do not speak for everyone. In other words >we
>>4540 >anon.cafe had a literal fed as /k/ BO Wait really? Cafe is pretty chill why the feds wasting resources here?
>>4543 >Wait really? Yes. Anoncafe Admins dumped & replaced him in short order. >Cafe is pretty chill What bearing has that. The globohomo is attacking every form of free speech, period. IBs are one of the few holdouts thus far, for the most part. >tl;dr Every board is under attack by these kikes & their golems, period. >why the feds wasting resources here? Lol. You, the taxpayer, are treated as an infinite money spigot by these evildoers.
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Hello, glownigger-kun. >what site you primarily frequent/"belong" to A year ago I would say smuglo.li but at this point I only browse anon.cafe and occasionally check 8moe /christian/ maybe once or twice a week. >why you use that site and not the other Because everyone is trying to one-up one another and get moderators to ban people they don't like. anon.cafe is the only place I can have an honest conversation that isn't banned or drowned out by retards. Even if I have to deal with niggerpills. >what you really think about "the others" I just want everyone to pull the sticks out of their asses and get along. >if you really think the gap between user bases is too large to be overcome at this point, and why or why not It is because it's being orchestrated by the moderation of the respective sites either explicitly or implicitly. The smaller imageboards like late.city don't have these inherent problems. >what you would like to do to solve it I don't think it can be. Speaking of Smug they're so deeply entrenched in "us vs them" that their own userbase is being cannibalized. Sturgeon and Mark have both tried to steal users from other sites which is the source of the animosity towards one another, whereas this site's owner has never done that even if he's a faggot sometimes, hence why there is a DMZ here.
>>4540 >I don't quite understand zzz has been painted as a honeypot as well Because when glownigger BO was running /k/ among a few other incidents, Sturgeon was very quick to try and snag users which raised extreme distrust in him. Not to say Mark and Acid haven't done similar shit but it's usually better to let people figure their own shit out and come for help on their own terms, or let the problem work itself out for a few days. Anons need shelters not to jump ship at the first sign of trouble (unless that trouble is one of a squatter with a bad personality AKA /christian/janny).
>>4546 >Sturgeon was very quick to try and snag users Every time something strange at a board here happens there's a new board down there in a matter of hours or a couple of days, it happened with /film/ and with /x/. I want to say once is coincidence but that happened twice, in the case of /x/ it was technical errors from servers and with the cinema board it was because of people suddenly complaining about movies with kids.
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>>4540 >no evidence lol >>4546 tor is perpetually banned on zzz and mods crossboard to delete any discussion of site/board moderation (and leave botspam links up lel). Meanwhile, literal pedo rings that were kicked off of 8moe and boards with owner-made links to honeypot discords (e.g. fascist, k) are left unmolested. data mining: >what site you primarily frequent/"belong" to zzz, finally gave up on it recently. Used to use smug for /yuri/, but that's been completely gone for quite a while now. >why you use that site and not the other You can't post on 8moe, it's not an imageboard. It's literally an account based pseudonymous site - redditchan really has come full circle. In that sense it really is the proper successor of 8ch. 8/u/ isn't a yuri board, either. Smug's owner died in suspicious circumstances several years ago and /yuri/ eventually caught the pox from that rotting corpse, but before that the reason I don't post on smug in general is because /a/ is shit. /jp/ has been completely fine this whole time (scattered around the web) and /a/ has only just died now from getting involved with this centralization faggotry but of course the board was always shit. >what you really think about "the others" Smug and zzzchan are owned by literal glowniggers at this point. Which I'm fine with, but they're also unusably bad due to employing faggots to run boards rather than having someone who cares about the subject run a site. Cafe and sparts are run by autistic retards, but cafemin's E.X. autism is way more tolerable than dudder's E.X. retardation, which has made the site borderline unusable (there are about 300 0second autobans you have to click through to make a post from an exit node, the onyo is perpetually banned despite contributing about 0.1% of the botspam) if you practice any kind of opsec. I don't think about 8moe because it's not an imageboard. Like it has good content sometime the users don't seem all retarded but I'm not gonna fuckin post on funnyjunk either am I? >if you really think the gap between user bases is too large to be overcome at this point, and why or why not Why the fuck would you want to overcome a gap between the userbases? Anyone who actually gives a shit about who owns a site or whatever other eceleb trite is a faggot and a retard, perhaps professionally so. >what you would like to do to solve it Anyone who cares about a particular board should host their own site. This is, and always has been, the obvious solution. If you don't want to deal with botspam then make it tor-only.
>>4544 >IBs >"holdouts" >every imageboard even here on the webring is either run by feds or actual faggots >pedo hysteria is the gayop of the day pass the blunt glowkun
>>4549 This is a fed.
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A question to all 8moe users: How can you put up with Mark after all these years, after the countless jewish schemes, after the countless retarded decisions, the endless kneejerk mod decisions, his galaxy-sized autism, speaking to journos in a documentary where he knew it would cast anons in an even worse light (for free tendies, mind you)? How can anyone still want to be associated with this omega retard, the detour in evolution, the pinnacle of retardation? Can there possibly be any other explanation beyond Stockholm Syndrome or domestic abuse?
>>4564 Well it was obvious how these poor sotts fell into this honeypot. It was no accident that the shitstorms on Julay were a) created suddenly out of thin air shortly after the 8ch redflag, and b) blacked.gov 'magically' appeared to herd all the milk-fugees in after Robi decided to spread everyone out. What's a little odd to my thinking is that their slimeball tactics were blatantly obvious to everyone, yet I guess Anons felt abused and didn't want to have to look around any longer after both circumstances in fairly short order. I'm sure the feds already predicted this effect. I think they were surprised that practically the entire webring didn't run into their little trap. Probably deranged trannies doing their "thinking" for them or something. Regardless, I feel pity for the anons you're asking, Anon. And certainly for the /viggergaters/, it probably is literally some form of wife-beating syndrome. >tl;dr Thankfully, the kikes haven't destroyed the Internet after all their investments & efforts to do so. Let's keep it that way!
>>4565 >Probably deranged trannies doing their "thinking" for them or something. Or maybe they were stupid enough to actually let Cakefat do their planning for them in the beginning?
>>4534 8chan died 4 years ago, tourist.
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>>4534 1. 8moe /v/ only 2. most IBs are dead as hell and /v/ is the only board that has actual discussion. 3. I don't really care them unless they're one of those fags that can't shut up about whatever board drama is "happening" 4. Yes, because everyone hates each other or are retardedly paranoid. 5. I see no solution. Retards always get power-hungry.
>>4569 >cock? I suck it >cum? I swallow it >being fucked raw in the ass? it makes me cum >vagina? it disgusts me what a horrible condition you live in, retard-kun
>what site you primarily frequent/"belong" to smug/monster/ is what I "belong" to. >why you use that site and not the other Despite all the flaws it has, my love for monster girls, the pantheon autism, and devotion to the overall ideals of love and romance keeps me there. >what you really think about "the others" I have my problems with all sites: 8moe has Mark and Acid as admins, whose histories are too tainted to be admins; zzzchan has been shitty since the herdnigger invasion and has very little OC; anon.cafe is sportschan isn't about sports; smug/a/ a shit; prolikewoah and /animu/ are completely unmoderated; and alogs.space and tvchan are completely irredeemable garbage. Despite this, I do have nice things to say about each of them: 8moe has one of the largest groups of OC creators outside of /monster/, zzzchan is pretty fun; /sp/ is always good for a good meme or two; smug is extremely good at filtering out retards; prolikewoah has some really good posts; and alogs has /robowaifu/, and tvchan is just good to laugh at the retards. >if you really think the gap between user bases is too large to be overcome at this point, and why or why not The gap isn't the userbases, it's the admins. I think it's possible to overcome the problem, but it would take destroying the previous mods' power and forcing >what you would like to do to solve it Ideally, we'd take the lessons learned from 8chan and the webring and move forward with something new. Now, I'm not sure if this is possible, but my ideal new imageboard would be to have a central site that is stored in a decentralized manner. Perhaps as a P2P thing using IPFS? But then again, I think /ita/ tried that and it didn't work for them. If not, then maybe as a ring of servers with each in a different nation?
>>4580 >smug/monster/ is what I "belong" to. Why are you a tranny? >Perhaps as a P2P thing using IPFS? But then again, I think /ita/ tried that Nobody tried that. NNTPchan died because one guy hosted the clearnet and onyo and I2P sites that each got >90% of the traffic of that sort so it wasn't actually decentralized. It's retarded though. Rule by committee is rule by committee.
8chan.moe or 4usoivrpy52lmc4mgn2h34cmfiltslesthr56yttv2pxudd3dapqciyd.onion
Are any 8chan.moe posters here running into "Bypass denied" errors?
>>4565 I could write-up a summary about the goings-on from inside Julay in the early days if anyone wants to read it. I think enough time has passed where I could post it without a bunch of idiots coming out of the wood-work to false-flag against it. Every now and again I come back around to see if the autism has stopped. I'm never surprised to see it has only gotten worse. I've thought about spending money and opening a proper 8chan clone (board creation by users) several times. But the last time I tried to get involved obvious glowniggers showed up and I was spending days staying up deleting pizza. That has discouraged me from trying again. If I could just get the users that always complain and post high quality shit to agree to be global vols. And get them to not take offense to the bantz for 2 weeks we could have a comfy home again. But you must weather the storm first. As it stands the elements you're all talking about would seek to destroy any honest effort from the very start. The amount of autism I witnessed in the first months of the webring is far worse than any namefag drama, IRC drama or forum drama I've dealt with before. I was around for most of the bad ones. I was getting invited into private cabal chats where these people were scheming together to kill off other boards and steal their users. It was really fucking sad.
>>4566 I can explain what happened to Cakejew, Jim Watkins, Josh Moon, Codemonkey and all of the rest. If you search for >Department of Defense Internet Interactive activities Things will become _very_ clear to you. You should find a small pdf file through google search. It'll be almost the only mention of that Government program on the entire internet. Read it yourself and you'll understand what's going on. It explains all the e-celeb types as well.
>>4590 >You should find a small pdf file through google search I'm not finding it. Link?
Sleepychan /k/ BO is a faggot. That is all.
>>4589 And it was all true, the drama was off the charts and many smaller boards got the knife in the process. ripip that one Slothchan, loved the logo and the idea but came in around a moment of pure turmoil, same with Fatchan
>>4595 I uploaded it to catbox. Can't remember if I can upload pdf files here. https://files.catbox.moe/bhpmsy.pdf About halfway through the document it states that any website or person that reaches as many people as MSM will be contacted by a DoD representative and brought into the program. This is done through PR firms for deniability. Which is exactly what GamerGate exposed when it found the journalist mailing lists. I'm sure you've noticed that all the big streamers and personalities on the internet shill the same things and talk about the same things in a cycle. Years ago we saw the BetterHelp shill campaign get exposed when a bunch of youtube and twitch streamers started shilling it. I can't remember all of the details now but it looked bad on the company and they shut down the shilling campaign. Now that people have forgotten about the scandal they've started to shill it again. We see the same thing with """raids""" and manufactured drama on message boards. Jannys do nothing or actively participate. Bots and trolls come in large waves. Pizza gets uploaded from what seems like an endless list of IP addresses and files. All popular VPNs and tor nodes are used in the attacks. Leaving the admin with only two choices: Ban every IP range on the planet or allow them and moderate 24/7. If you manage to moderate it you put yourself and your users at risk of being v&. All it takes is one thumbnail in cache to break the law. Legit users flee like rats from a sinking ship to avoid the legal trouble. The result is the only large websites that can exist are ones like twitter, 4chan, facebook and all the others where they study the users like lab rats and censor everything they deem "misinformation". The webring was attacked so quickly and hard because it could have blossomed into the next major platform for free speech. They did not want this obviously. As they'd just shut down 8chan and many other websites in the run-up to the covid psyop and world-wide lock downs. An open platform could not exist in that environment. They had to shut down the last big one just ahead of their lock downs and scatter us all to the four corners of the internet. We've never recovered and likely won't any time soon. All the "free speech" platforms are heavily censored at the moment and _all_ of them require a phone number/sim card. All of these normalfag-tier free speech platforms are like that. No place allows for open comments anymore if you aren't willing to allow yourself to get doxed. The internet-id is already here and it has been since the 2020 election fall-out. The only places that aren't like that are like this one. You're lucky if 10 people read what you've written and any real discussion with the potential to break-out into the greater normalfag sphere instantly attract low-effort trolls (likely bots) that shut it down. It has become almost impossible to have open discourse on the internet now. You can not hide from this or escape their watch. Which is the mistake I see anons continuing to make. A lot of what I think are real users are under the impression that if we just ban some more stuff and not talk about certain topics that these people will leave us alone. This is not true. We can clearly see that they intend to destroy every last place with open dialog on the internet. Look at the decline of all the small hobby boards on places like 4chan. Most of them escaped the fate of the larger boards even into the late 2010s. There were still pockets of originalfags and polite newfags having discussions about their hobbies on boards like /out/. They were not bothered by bots and low effort trolls. In the last few years since about 2020 all of the boards have been flooded with off-topic bullshit (usually of the tranny and gay variety) and low effort forced memes like "take ur medz". This is not an organic happening. The users from just a few years ago are completely gone and haven't reappeared anywhere on the open web. The boards are now only filled with bot posting, shills and government agents. I personally have at least 3-5 people that follow me around all over 4chan if I post on it now. I do not post very often and haven't been a regular since the first exodus. However, in the wake of the 8chan+webring deaths I've been forced back to some boards there if I want to participate in discussion at all as I refuse to use platforms like telegram and discord (or anything else that requires a cell phone). I'll give you a recent example. There is another anon that lurks the various /a/ boards. I find him from time to time and we fansub an anime together. We both translate, edit, encode and all that usual stuff. If I post on smug/a/ with him we never have a problem. But if we post on 4chan/a/ a small group of "trolls" will always show up and belittle us and everyone else in the thread. They bring up discussions from months ago. They call us all the usual forced memes. They try to discourage other anons from working with us or using our releases. No matter what the day or hour they're there within a few minutes of either one of us posting. I found this all very odd until I figured out what was going on. The last few projects we've worked on together were pushing LGBT propaganda or censored in various ways. All the usual BS that comes along with a modern woke-sub from the usual places like CR. One night I poked that group of "trolls" a bit until one of them slipped up and basically doxed themself. I discovered I'd been getting trolled by someone working for CR. A little more digging and I found out they're close friends with the current staff of nyaa. Which finally explained why registration has been locked down for years and why they carry nothing but bot uploads of CR/Woke-sub translations these days. In fact, if you look around since about 2018 there is almost nowhere left where you can release fansubs to an audience of more than 5 people outside of their controlled network. These same people are the ones spamming the loli=pedophile shit all over 4/a/ and trolling the users of 4/a/. The worst part is they're either moderators or very close to 4/a/ moderation as well. As I've gotten several bans for no reason on 4/a/ when they appear. Yet they can post with impunity and are never banned by moderation despite being off-topic in every thread they shit up and breaking all the usual newfag rules like "no trolling outside of /b/". I find it very strange that these people show up as a group no matter what hour or IP address I post from on 4/a/. It's so bad that I've basically given up on posting on that board at all. Which is a shame because it's the only way to spread my releases to anyone that matters. Since I've been reduced to posting magnet links and an IRC channel because nyaa will not accept .torrent uploads every from my old accounts. If it weren't for 4/a/ and animetosho I wouldn't be able to reach anyone at all. We've been censored by the western anime industry because the majority of our releases expose their blatant censorship and insertion of propaganda. That's just one of many examples of this censorship I could give. It doesn't really matter what board I use anymore. I've run into the same problems on /g/, /x/, /k/ and even on /out/. Shame me for using cuckchan in 2023 if you want. But the fact remains that there is _NO WHERE ELSE TO GO_. The only other options are discord, telegram, tiktok and the various other cell phone required services. Even reddit no longer allows for account creation without state-approved email address. Even if you make an account good luck posting anything because every subreddit now has a bot that requires you build up positive karma to participate. The alt-chans barely get any users and regularly get ddos'ed, spammed or die off for different reasons. My greater point is the web died in 2018. If you're seeking discussion and truth good luck finding anything. Everyone has fallen for their trick and doxed themselves just to talk to what are mostly bots and federal agents. There are a few forums left on the web but they're suffering from all of the same problems. I'm betting at least 80% of content I read now is bot generated. I can't even search for tips on how to fix my car without wading through bot generated articles and paid shills making 20 minute ad-filled videos for something that should only take 2 minutes to explain. The DoD IIA program seems to be working very well for them.
>>4596 This is probably fake and gay, but honestly glowniggers will just gangstalk and psychologically abuse you.They're not worth interacting with at all. Let them lose this information war

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