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Cafe Bunker Anonymous 12/23/2021 (Thu) 23:22:47 No.3429
Welcome to the café. This thread is for general discussion. Overall there should only ever be two café threads on the board, a locked old one for archival purposes, and one live thread. Once a café thread reaches 2000 replies it shall be locked and a new one created in it's place with this pasta.
>>3630 >>3631 That's quite a little tale, friend. I hope you all manage to get a good outcome. It doesn't sound like splintering off into yet another board is something you want to do, so I won't suggest that you ask the site owner here to recreate /cafe/. Anons of all stripes are already spread thin enough as it is; although you could create a single-thread /britfeel/ style board, your cafe is tied up with /a/ culture so there'd be quite a few anons who'd not want to jump across.
>>3630 >>3631 >It's a long and retarded story, but I'll try my best. You did a far better job with it than I could have, Anon. Anon >>3632 has covered most of what I wanted to say, but for a few smaller details/thoughts: >Chapter 2: - Running the meido drive at the same time as asking the question about cafe massively increased the risk that the well is poisoned and HM has recruited a bunch of hard-line opinions here. (I think that's effectively been proven by this time.) >Chapter 3: - There are effectively zero cafes open for a moment at the end of this chapter, and then one appears on /support/. >Chapter 4: - When Anon managed to get comfy in /support/, things were mostly civil for the duration of the closure on /a/. Anon's OC from the /support/ bunker gets airtime on the R/a/dio at the weekend. This is a loss of face for the mods. >they get banned for metaposting - The important thing to note was that the 3-day bans were all handed down on the 23rd/24th, very likely by newer mods with a harsh opinion of cafe. Ensuring Anon wouldn't be able to partake in anything Christmas on his home board. - This had the utterly predictable effect of pissing petrol onto a bonfire. - /b/ was created by SM on the 24th after the 3-day bans and the shit over nu-cafe had hit the fan. Based on HM's incorrect idea of what cafe was, it was viewed in pretty mixed terms ranging from "Well, this is dumb but it's better than nothing. We can try it." to "That's not who we are/what we wanted." - Some Anons called it out as a D&C trap shortly after. Trust is in short supply. - Most (all?) bans were supposedly revoked at this point, but the damage from handing them out was already done. By the end of this chapter there are now 3 partially functional cafes, a bunker and a roaring nuclear bonfire with petrol on it. Everyone is warm, but nobody is comfy. >>3632 > All told, what really makes this whole thing retarded is that the correct solution to keep everyone was to not do anything. This is the major tragedy of it all to me. HM was dicking around with something he A: didn't understand, B: didn't need to 'fix' at that level, but C: kami-sama be dammed if he was ever going to swallow his pride over it.
>>3635 >you could create a single-thread /britfeel/ style board That was my thinking, yes. I definitely don't want a splintering but the choices right now are >leave >post in nu-cafe where there's a banhammer looming over you in case you try to have fun >go hang out in the dumpsters Of those, leaving is the most appealing to me.
>>3637 Smug is the source of those ban hammers. They openly brag about being reddit/4chan/discord trannies and ban everyone else.
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>>3638 Any WR board mods using some super sekrit IRC instead of a public thread like the one /k/ should be viewed as possible heretics. What good has IRC ever done to a board?
>>3639 Don't reply. There are advantages to conducting politics behind closed doors. I'd argue that any level of chaos that can occur from tranny jannies' IRC circlejerk is far less than what can happen when conducted in public. Keeping some degree of secrecy is useful and I'd even say necessary in the modern imageboard environment where you absolutely have enemies whose sole purpose is to harm your board. It basically boils down to absolutism or democracy, and no imageboard is really a democracy even when you're not perpetually facing outside threats. But we all know a dictatorship is only as good as its dictator. Even in an absolutist, ivory-tower system like the meidos on /a/ have, a good leader is one who listens to his people. Doesn't necessarily have to obey them, but he does have to listen and at the very least justify himself to them. Either that, or build enough trust through a long and successful reign that everyone just goes along with the decisions, even if they're unpopular. The decision to allow non-Japanese vtubers to /a/ was an unpopular one, but nobody got out the pitchforks over it. What we have here is the king being told that some of the peasants are trying to sneak contraband through wine barrels, so he decides no more barrels are allowed in the kingdom. And when asked why in God's name that's not allowed anymore and told that it's a catastrophic decision, he calls all barrel-makers scum and throws them in the stocks. No amount of transparency or openness would help out here.
>>3640 And there isn't actually any contraband, I should add.
>>3640 >"Don't reply." >"secrecy" >"I'd argue that any level of chaos that can occur from tranny jannies' IRC circlejerk is far less than-" Fuck off discord tranny.
>/kemono/ >"we're not furfags guyz we pwomise" Why the hell is there a furfag board on the webring?
>>3643 There is absolutely nothing wrong with liking kemono.
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>>3619 >If they just weren't moderating it would be one thing. But they're directly ignoring any volunteers or requests to do it for them.
>>3646 I'm not sure what you're implying.
>>3630 >>3631 >>3636 Pretty good. I would note that SM had gone through during r/a/dio and cleared the banlist. That was either the 24th or 25th.
>>3641 It's more like there is but the contraband is at the level of party favors for the harvest festival and the next day.
>>3647 The post in the screencap is either Nep or a random anon impersonating Nep for some reason. The second half of the quote is the implication.
>>3648 I'll be honest, thank you ratfag but I don't really feel like listening to r/a/dio the last couple days.
>>3651 >The second half of the quote is the implication. The only thing he cleaned up was the botspam. He's ignoring everything else that needs to be deleted.
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What an horrendously depressing and sad situation. I honestly don't know what to say that hasn't been said already. I'll reiterate that I told you so. That staying on /support/ was a horrible idea, that moving to /b/ was a even worse idea. That the only real solution was to get out and make our own place somewhere else since we are plain and simply not welcome there anymore. As I said on the /support/ cafe "Cafe or not, why in God's fucking name would I, why would you, want to post at and hang out at a place whose owner is calling me a reject, an outside, a "not true anon", etc, through passive-aggressive bitchiness and shameless lies? Someone who's telling you they want you out, that they are glad you will be gone." And as another anon said... >Because it's a containment board made in bad faith and they are going to use a lawless environment as a "we told you so" while ignoring how others are requesting at bare minimum Hoihoi enabled if not full-on moderation from within be added (of which I am not part of). That there's still so many anons clinging to hope, that they still trust the lowlives who caused this needless situation, even if only a smidgen, is perhaps the most depressing part of this all. How can you still believe that they will still fix up /b/? How are you so dense as to not understand they are leaving it like that on purpose? You are worse than battered wives. And now we are, more fragmented, disorganized, and demoralized than ever. T Even if a true cafe™ pops up now, on another board, an entire website of its own, it'll never be the same as it used to be. Too little, too late.
>>3654 >That there's still so many anons clinging to hope, that they still trust the lowlives who caused this needless situation, even if only a smidgen, is perhaps the most depressing part of this all. Lots of anons who came before who feel the same way.
>>3654 Why didn't you go and make that place of our own then, faggot? I did what I could and asked in /meta/ here and haven't gotten a response yet. Where did you try? With no other options, which is where we're at right now, the best we can do is not splinter. I do resent the anons who stayed on /b/afe but here you are posting in the cafe shelter after there's no reason to be here right now.
>>3654 >How can you still believe that they will still fix up /b/? For me it's that the Swiss banker finds it amusing. Ultimately if they are willing to allow the cafe to be autonomous and have moderation, then I would still rather remain on Smug. If they are intent on giving everyone the boot in the way they seem to be, then I would rather maintain a line of contact at least short-term with the anons who are too conditioned to branch out.
>>3654 >And now we are, more fragmented, disorganized, and demoralized than ever. T Even if a true cafe™ pops up now, on another board, an entire website of its own, it'll never be the same as it used to be. Too little, too late. That's exactly why people are reluctant to look elsewhere. Any option has problems, and going elsewhere will always lose people in the process. Smug does have a better chance of keeping people than going elsewhere. >>3657 For many people this site is a non-starter because of the loli ban. All smug/b/ would need is to get a few bona fide vols to mod it, and then have Nepfag and Tenicu ignore it; that's not going to happen, but at least it's less of a hurdle than considering normal content to be extremely illegal.
>>3656 Trust me, if I had the knowledge, means and measures I would have already created a brand new imageboard for us. But I cannot host it as I currently have. >after there's no reason to be here right now. My reasons are explained on my very post. In my opinion, staying on Smug in any shape, way or form is a mistake. And the longer people stayed there the worse things have gotten. >>3657 >Ultimately if they are willing to allow the cafe to be autonomous and have moderation And guess what they are not willing to allow? What they refuse to allow despite days of people begging them to let them?
>>3659 >And guess what they are not willing to allow? What they refuse to allow despite days of people begging them to let them? It's around the Holidays. The cafe was "gone" for two weeks without issues, if they can figure it out and at least show an effort to bring on mods (even if just reject mods from the /a/ drive, I don't care right now), I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have decided to come to terms with the cafe even if they don't like the cafe. Getting smug anons off of Smug without a clear alternative is an effort in futility. protoculture.moe is one of many such clear alternatives, but none of those alternatives seem to hold much fruit right now.
>>3659 You're being just as unreasonable as the donkeys who got us into this situation. Frankly, I don't want to stoop to that level. I trust HM now about as far as I can throw him but I will leave the door open for him to fix this and let bygones be bygones. If not, so be it. And if we're kicked out of smug, so be it. But to sever all ties at this point is the mutually-assured destruction option that I'd rather save for a last resort rather than a first.
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>>3660 >I'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have decided to come to terms with the cafe even if they don't like the cafe. HOW. HOW CAN YOU STILL BE WILLING TO GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT!? EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE SINCE THEY "RE-OPENED" CAFE HAS BEEN PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE MOVES. IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT SPITE AND HATE TOWARDS US!!! WHY IN GOD DO YOU KEEP TRUSTING SOMEONE WHO EXPLICITLY DENIES YOUR EXISTENCE AS AN ANON!?
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>>3662 Because I would still rather exhaust every attempt at dialogue before forcefully separating a family and Smug is a family that expands much farther than just /a/ and cafe.
>>3660 >protoculture.moe I'm watching and waiting for this site to become active. A few days ago someone said it will take time to get this one organized.
>>3662 Calm down, ma'am.
>>3664 That site is just Niggers Astroturfing for their initial invasion of the webring.
>>3667 >>3666 >its just astroturfing for an invasion Explain please.
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>>3670 Thanks for your feedback but this is a discussion among cafe-anons. Kindly fuck off.
Fuck off back to reddit faggot
>>3670 Oh my anon, how easily you stick out. But I agree with what has already been said, Fuck off.
>>3656 >I do resent the anons who stayed on /b/afe Yesterday there were anons who still had a little hope but they all seem to be either here or on /support/ now, other than a couple stragglers who'll wise up before long.
>>3674 I'm trying to continue using /b/ to a limited extent to say that yes I am putting my feet in the sand and standing with my cock in the wind. I'm using /support/ and /shelter/ to say that Meidos are being niggers about this as always and if they aren't going to 'fess up they should either delete /b/ out of good faith or allow m/a/nifest destiny and let anons have their own mods and rules if they aren't just being massive fucking faggots.
>>3675 If even the Jannies here won't do that then the answer is never
>>3676 > if they aren't going to 'fess up they should either delete /b/ out of good faith or allow m/a/nifest destiny and let anons have their own mods and rules if they aren't just being massive fucking faggots. Assuming you're the anon I was talking with on smug/b/ (my apologies if you aren't) I think that they're just being massive faggots. As I've said, I'll post wherever you guys end up and will probably be forced to abandon smug/a/ at some point, but I appreciate the fact that you're at least trying not to completely cut ties with our home. It is what it is. Head Meido doesn't care at all and is basically forcing the café thread out while laughing at them, fully believing that what he's doing is right and in the best interests of /a/. Just keep in mind the following: "If things go so pear-shaped that none of the above is effective, don't forget that /a/ is a community, not a website. Continue looking for places where anons seem to be congregating, and try to work out via discussion what the best place to set up permanently is. Don't give up on finding each other, and trust that other anons are also working to the same goal."
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If it makes a difference one way or another you are welcome to host a thread on /l/ if the worst comes to pass.
>>3681 >no lewd loli The site owner clarified on /meta/ that 2D lewd loli is OK, but 3DCG loli isn't. >>>/meta/15370
>>3682 Well fuck that changes everything. Absolutely no one likes 3DCG lolishit.
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>>3685 Fuck off torpnigger.
>>3676 >they should either delete /b/ out of good faith or allow m/a/nifest destiny and let anons have their own mods and rules Both are happening, see https://smuglo.li/support/res/10069.html#10126
>>3723 Nigger those retards are still shitting up everything and have infiltrated the maidus.
>>3429 well with faggotcord trannies spamming their shit all over the webring and jannies doing nothing about it, one can only come to the conclusion that the webring is compromised. Boards like /kind/ and openly bragging about the other far more restrictive platforms they shill here and spread the faggot koolaid of, completely negating the whole point of the webring in the first place. No one ever asked to be monitoring things 24/7 but its fucking ridiculous that there are actual months that go by where staff does not show up and are completely oblivious because they don't read reports. 5 minutes to clear the shit out is not the monolithic task these retards make it out to be.
>>3729 The fuck are you talking about, schizo?

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