>>1385 I am a huge noob when it comes to magic (i don't even know a good definition of magic), i've only done one sigil and it worked horribly, i got a vision of a dead naked man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN-V7yRCehs what do you think if this video? is this actual magic or just symbolism?

>>1386 The word magic originates from Zoroaster and the magi who were priests in Persia. Imagination (I magi nation) may also be related, since magic is art and craft of the mind. I do my best to do benevolent magic, since bad magic can fail or rebound and make misfortune for the magician. Therefore, I adhere to white positive magic for well being and betterment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlTs8TYifSs That said, there are many different kinds of magic, too many to cover in one post, so just read what you find related to it if interested, this thread has some good info if you look through it

>>1353 > The talk about "feeling" really threw me off, since the word sounds like it's talking about emotion. But positive emotions are an effect rather than a cause, so once you do the training right and consistently reprogram your subconscious mind positive emotions will start to follow. Correction: I've been doing some more reading, and I seem to have been confused by people saying contradictory things about this. What I've read now is that the point of the visualization exercise is to anchor your feelings and bring out your emotions as strongly and consistently as possible.

I once found really interesting cards with magical information on a site, I have now found the site again so I'm linking it here; https://consult.zaporacle.com/oracle/v3.2.13/ I stopped going on it at some point because I felt some of the cards were too negative, but there are a lot of interesting messages in there and useful information, there are a total of 673 cards, each a page of its own

i don't suppose there is a "magic for retards" book?

>>1398 There are many books if you're serious about getting into magic, but it also depends on what kind of magic you're interested in getting into The basics first, with a solid foundation things will work out better and easier usually. "Qi Gong" means energy work. If you can gather and work with subtle energy (or mold life force with thought) then you are well on your way to a solid foundation. Being open minded enough to try idiots guides or "for retards" books is good. Some of these books are very informative and empowering. (My suggestion is to try the sitting exercise and see how you feel afterward) Eastern monks have shown quite magical feats in physical reality, so its a good place to start. >>79

Is anyone here familiar with Frank Kepple? If so, what do you think of his ideas? I'd heard of him previously but never checked him out until now. http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html Here's a Dropbox link that collects a bunch of his old forum posts: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0mdilfmsymjkz9/FranksPosts.pdf?dl=0

Is it possible to do magic without realizing it?

>>1404 Yeah, but it depends on definitions If someone does magic but doesn't know what the term "magic" stands for then they might not know that it is that which they may be doing Another way of interpreting the question is about realization as in making something real, in that case it depends on what one considers real and one could do some magic theorizing which might not manifest in physical reality

What's the deal with Kabbalah? Abdullah, the supposed instructor of both Neville Goddard and Joseph Murphy was a Kabbalist. Is there a good source for learning about it with as little gobbledygook as possible? I've been watching a YouTube series about it and still don't feel like I even get what it is yet. How useful is it?

>>1411 I'd be interested too. I've only got minimal information on it, its supposedly a jewish invention and the tree of life is the main thing which has appeared to me out of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah

>>1412 I thought I read that even the Jews developed it based on Greek ideas. I started reading A Garden of Pomegranates by Israel Regardie but don't know if it would clarify anything for me. The Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune seems to have a good reputation, but I think it's pretty deep reading.

>>1413 Update: I just found this book, which seems really promising. What I've read so far has explained things clearly and succinctly.

I have read online not to use Sigil magic to manipulate people, that the "universe" is going to get revenge on you for trying. But i was able to get a guy to give me a glass of water without too much problem other than some visions of dead people. What is the point of magic if you can't control people. Why does sigil magic backfire when you use it to manipulate people?

>>1415 I generally don't like the idea of manipulating other people. The idea is more like this, being in control of one's own life, one can specify what kind of things one would like and then people who fit in with that will tend to appear to do the support work without you manipulating any people in actuality. They simply already fit the way things are supposed to work in line with the parameters you've set. This is more the kind of magic I have in mind anyway. Basically, if they fit, then they may appear on their own to participate. Manipulating someone else without permission is where things go faulty, so lets not do that. You would most likely not want someone else manipulating you, right? Think open ended collaboration project, where the right ones who fit it are able to join, rather than targeting and manipulating someone who may not fit. Things may go better when not forcing it. Sometimes it helps to let go, step back a bit and rethink things, maybe there are better ways that are easier, like going with the flow.

>>1416 How would you respond to the interpretation that you're moving into a different reality where someone will want to do what you want? Do you think there's even any basis to the many-worlds model of manifestation? A lot of people seem to take it as a given.

>>1418 The way I see it, oneself shifts with time and there are infinite parallel reality world lines where every potential can be explored. Considering the dimensions, each slice of space is represented as a point on a line of time (see pic). Then one has alternate potential lines, so ones own timeline be like a 3 dimensional structure, like a tree. Most people only consider the current and then potential futures, but one can also consider probable pasts (the roots). If you've read the transurfing book, the alternatives space could be represented this way. It makes sense for the dimensions to be 3 of 3 like this pic shows as they then form a fractal structure and nature generally works in fractals

>>1423 I've read of people exploring alternate past scenarios related to events in their lives using astral projection. It seems usually what you hear of is people looking into potential futures. As far as manipulation goes, I've read people justifying it by saying that we're influencing people all the time with our thoughts whether we intend to or not. Jurgen Ziewe has a different perspective on this whole thing: http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Super_dimensions-consensus_environments.html >The fourth infinite aspects are the uncountable numbers of universes which can all be accessed from these and even higher levels. In my own experience the “Many World Interpretation”, although making sense from a quantum mechanical viewpoint, is in fact no more than a fantasy which falls short of the actual reality. It is simply that scientists try to explain non-physical events from a physical angle and end up with a misrepresentation of reality. To imagine an infinite number of version of us, with a google to the power of google combinations of events played out in an infinite number of universes seems to me to be sheer madness. The universe does not operate on the laws of madness and it doesn’t need to, because all experience it wants to explore it will and to do this, it does not need infinite copies of us or infinite copies of our physical universe. Seeing Max Blogg having breakfast with a dinosaur in a tent on an asteroid is not part of the synchronistic workings of a creation which springs, from unity, clarity, perfection and harmony and even when it introduces chaos in its process of creating denser physical manifestation it will do so following its own cosmic laws and not those of a demented lunatic. Reality is about repose, symmetry, intelligence, order and harmony and even the chaos follows logical laws, even if we don’t understand them. I'm not sure that I agree with that, but I find all this stuff hard to even understand in the first place. Even if he's right, then maybe you could still see the many-worlds idea almost like a metaphor for the completely unlimited potentialities that exist inside the All just waiting to be manifested.

>>1423 >>1425 About shifting between reality worlds; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyrl6lx0PHM A perspective on parallel reality worlds; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjk8Y8bcye8

What do you know about the Pulsa de Nura curse ? How important is the Torah scrolls to the curse?

>>1416 Well the first sigil i made was for someone to give me a glass of water and i had visions of dead people. I heard that sigil magic doesn't contact spiritual entities so why did a spirits (i'm assuming it was a spirit) give me a vision? I didn't exactly target anyone either so why was i spiritually oppressed?

>>1449 When you use a sigil you're passing on information to an other part of yourself than the day to day conscious and that other part of yourself (often called subconscious) may be more connected to what you might consider spiritual or supernatural. From what 's written here >>1415 it seems you may have a belief that >to use Sigil magic to manipulate people, that the "universe" is going to get revenge on you for trying Maybe you got the vision because of that

>>1450 >Maybe you got the vision because of that I heard of that after i did the sigil, i did have a negative connotation to magic so maybe that is why.

To anyone who has worked with demons, can they read your mind?

Here's a biography of Robert Monroe that's worth the time if you'd like a rundown on his life and ideas without reading all three of his books: https://pdfhost.io/v/QPK1O~BtS_The_Journey_of_Robert_Monroe

LoA Library; https://mega.nz/folder/Ns9mhDSC#iKKxSnq5EoG_GxYLeylrSg

>>1474 I think they can. >>1509 Good post!

Here are a bunch of testimonials from people who claim to have successfully increased their height: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Eboe5YJRpDxe8H46Dj-SCk7ICZeXbAax

>>1474 Not without permission >>1506 I read about him before, interesting books about out of body experiences

>>1551 >I read about him before, interesting books about out of body experiences Yeah, him and the Monroe Institute deserve a ton of credit for bringing the phenomenon into the public consciousness. Before he came along, people would just write the topic off as nutty hocus pocus or something sinister, but his more modern presentation of the topic and scientifically minded outlook won a lot of people over who would be more dismissive of the occult writers of the old days.

Do you guys think there's any significance to closed-eye visualizations? I went through a period where I'd have relaxation sessions every day when possible, and I've been seeing them ever since.

>>1574 It likely varies Its kinda like with dreams, they could be anything (Sometimes real life situations, sometimes symbolism, sometimes prophetic, and so on)

>>1575 It's really weird. When I close my eyes, I vaguely see impressions of abstract patterns making wavy or whirling movements. A lot of the time it looks similar to this image if it was zoomed in and not in color. Other times I have the perception of streams of something moving in alternating directions. I don't really know how to describe it other than that it kind of reminds me of Frogger. I don't mind it one way or the other, but it's pretty odd since it's not like I've ever done drugs or anything like that.

https://archive.ph/HFi5g >Although referred to in other terms, the concept of psychosphere is important in occult circles who conduct mega-rituals to influence the “collective unconscious” – often for nefarious purposes. Do you know any books that talk about the mass rituals that the elite do to effect humanity?

>>1577 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene They're called phosphenes, generally accepted to be caused by some neurologic issues or use of some psychedelics. I find you can also cause them by applying slight pressure on your eyes.

>>1589 >Phosphenes have also been reported by meditators[3] (called nimitta) This must be it then. I've actually heard about phosphenes before but wasn't sure if it was what I was experiencing or not. I've heard them described as the things you see when you close your eyes and rub them hard, which isn't the same thing I see.

What is the best way to overcome spiritual roadblocks? It's been a thorn in ny side for a while, and it's harming my spiritual growth. I've read that it's a natural part of enlightenment https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_consciousawakening29.htm, step 5 which is comforting, but it is still concerning. Is that true, or is it something worse? What should I do to gain that spirituality back and grow?

>>1600 I wish I knew. I just feel depressed with all this stuff. It seems like everything's pointless, and I feel trapped in myself. Sometimes it gets so bad that I just want to stop existing.

>>1601 That's the point where you'll have to go within yourself and drive that depression out, or suffer in depression and isolation forever. If you need to, you can always ask for aid from whatever good spirits and gods you wish to ask.

>>1602 >That's the point where you'll have to go within yourself and drive that depression out I don't even know where to begin with that. Before I've dealt with my depression by keeping busy and spending my time with hobbies, but there's still an existential anxiety underneath it all.

>>1603 You've got to find the root cause of those existential anxieties and deal with them, whether through ruthlessly quashing them or acceptance. Are you anxious because of life circumstances or problems at home? Then try to change what you can and accept what you can't. Are you worried about the state of the world? Shit, I don't think you can change that, so do what you can in your own life. Are you worried about spirituality and the afterlife? Then find God.

>>1604 It's the nature of reality of itself as many have described it in these circles that fills me with dread. I feel like I've delved too far into this stuff, and it's given me horrible panic attacks for close to a decade now. I'd call it derealization, but I really don't know if that's the right word. I want to be united with the people I care about in a truly shared existence. The idea that our individualized consciousnesses create different realities for each of us terrifies me beyond words. I feel like existence is a horrible prison, and there's no way out of it. Not even suicide would be an escape. I might sound like I'm being melodramatic, but I wouldn't wish this feeling on anyone. I can only hope that these beliefs are wrong or based on misinterpretations, but I also can't lie to myself even if it's all true.

I've read of this "Semen Retention" thing. It just comes across as coomers putting their selfcontrol on a pedestal as if it was a super power, but I'd like to investigate a bit more. I had a loved one who due to my negative vibrations walked away from my life. I am currently applying Law of Attraction to be with her again. I am confident in that she shares the same bed as me, and she's glad that we're together. That being said, I can only jerk off so much to her before it becomes sad, so sometimes I'd search for erotic content involving busty girls. Nothing hardcore mind you, just videos of naked women showing off. But here is the catch, many times to not say almost all of them I'd feel guilty after jerking off to them, because I have no connection whatsoever with them. One time for example I didn't really want to do it but did it anyway and I felt like absolute shit. So how does this "sexual energy" manifest in our lives?

>>1613 Reading into this book >>1346 there's a mention of a 6th rite, which seems to be relying on the "Semen Retention" thing So there may be something to it, it may be that the sexual energy can instead be channeled into vital energy for retaining/maintaining youth. There was a special school of thought which also seemed to rely on it, the goal with it was to alter the body to achieve special powers, but doing that was very risky and not for just anyone. One who had achieved such alteration of the body was the man who lit paper on fire with his bare hands (read his story in "the magus of Java") Other than that, I'm not sure if there's much benefit to semen retention. I think one can enjoy sexual life while young in years and then go for semen retention later in life. Sexual energy can sometimes be motivating, at least that's what I think. Like when loving someone and making art of them.

Do you know any books that talks about really basic/fundamental magic, like spoken words or writing as a form of magic?

>>1621 Synchronistically I've started reading into this book, which is called introduction to magic. In this book the magic seems to be mostly viewed as a practical aspect of metaphysics. I haven't read far into it as of this posting so I can't tell you if it is good or not, but the "introduction" word in the title seems to suggest that it is basic or fundamental. It apparently is about rituals and techniques. If you read through this thread you may find other interesting books that may be fitting for getting into magic

>>1621 There is also this book which has some pretty interesting concepts in it. If you have trouble finding books online, you can try sites like libgen.rs or z-library

>>1622 >>1623 Thank you.

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>>1647 Thanks for the heads up This /fringe/ thread we're on is a kind of an offshoot, a bit of a different version and a bit of a tribute in a way, so it differs a bit from the original /fringe/ while having a similar vibe. Not everyone is willing to go on and use 8chan.moe, but I'm open minded so I may check it out and perhaps contribute from time to time. This thread will remain open for those who don't wanna use 8chan.moe or prefer to use this thread