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/fringe/ - Esoteric thread Anonymous 10/24/2019 (Thu) 20:52:56 No.78
Practices, spells, symbolism, etc
>>1353 >There was an incident a little while ago where Redditards were raging over the old BO calling a black student of his "chocolate," completely in denial of the fact that it's a compliment. How can redditors be this tone deaf? Well, shouldn't expect much from internet addicts on a forum populated mostly by big bazinga fans. So the positive feelings are a consequence, not the cause for alteration. Good, no need to strain myself trying to force an emotion. I agree with you on "working up the feeling that you already have what you want", that's what most teachers seem to agree on. If the subconscious agrees on having something, reality will alter in such a way as to make it so. I couldn't find any techniques on entering alpha state in PoSM. Did read of someone once telling how Dispenza discusses entering such states in his books, and similarly there is jhana state in buddhism, I'm currently reading "Knowing and Seeing" to learn more about it. Found an anon back 8/2chan talking how important detachment is for manifestation, curiously, the screencap from fringe here >>854 also mentions detachment —along with presence and chi— being necessary for manifestation. >>1350 >There's a story in the book about someone who was 70-80 ish and looked 40 after doing all the rites for a prolonged period. Not bad. Wish you luck anon. Report back when you get superhuman strength and perfect skin. >>1352 Why of course you can get your waifu(male)! I do remember of anon manifesting a girl like Rei Ayanami and regretting it.
>>1360 From what I've read it depends on the belief system one has. By that I don't mean religion (although that can play a part) but the way the belief structure is (or structure in the brain) which is what causes someone to think in certain ways. If you believe that you have to "detach" from the thing in order to get it, then that belief structure will cause you more and more to have to detach in order to manifest. But you can change your belief and tap into your mind in many different ways and some anon's have found they can want a thing and still get it >>704 Belief and focus
>>1360 >How can redditors be this tone deaf? Well, shouldn't expect much from internet addicts on a forum populated mostly by big bazinga fans. I knew Redditors were stupid and out of touch, but their reaction even surprised me. >I couldn't find any techniques on entering alpha state in PoSM. Did read of someone once telling how Dispenza discusses entering such states in his books, and similarly there is jhana state in buddhism, I'm currently reading "Knowing and Seeing" to learn more about it. For me, I just lay down and relax my entire body to go into alpha. After a little while you should start to feel numb or kind of floaty, but I don't know exactly how it would feel for someone else. At that point, you've reached alpha and it becomes easier to feel yourself in another situation. As far as detachment goes, I only think it's necessary in the sense that you're not tearing your hair out waiting for your desire to manifest and constantly checking the world for a response. After all, if you were truly detached you wouldn't have any desires in the first place. An instinctive feeling of inner confidence is what seems to me to be important, and you get that through regular training.
>>1299 >>1306 I came here on a whim because 16chan was down temporarily, then I get brain-blasted with all this. I really can't explain it away. The fedora science religion can't account for prophesy, yet it can't be ruled out, especially with uncanny evidence like this. As for future conflicts, I think there will be a new Cold War between the Western Empire (GAE, globohomo), vs a Russian-Chinese alliance. I predict the latter shall win. >>1307 >This assuming Chinese miles and American miles are the same length. The traditional Chinese unit, the li, is about one third of a mile.
>>1361 Thank you! I can see I was wrong. So one can still desire for something and obtain it, even desire something while having it. Seems like the only two necessary elements for a successful manifestation are a belief in already possessing your desire, and focus imagining (or visualization) applied to it. >>1362 >After a little while you should start to feel numb or kind of floaty That does sound an awful lot like going to sleep, or the dizzyness you get after suffering a concussion. Considering a man dreams during his sleep, one might consider the visualization done in alpha state as something akin to daydreaming, hence why it'd be so easier to feel oneself in another situation. Makes sense. All that impatience and verification does is telling your subconscious that you do not have you desire, essentially doing the opposite of visualization. A cool, tranquil confidence that knows it already what it desires seems to be the detachment is really about. Getting there, is the hard part. I guess, start small, and gradually work your way up into greater and greater manifestations. Sometimes I wonder just how powerful manifestations can get, beyond affecting one's life and the lives of the people they know, into affecting wider society and perhaps the universe itself.
>>1364 >Sometimes I wonder just how powerful manifestations can get, beyond affecting one's life and the lives of the people they know, into affecting wider society and perhaps the universe itself. It's hard to tell even going off personal testimonials. There are stories of people changing things like their height and facial structure, but it's hard to tell what's real and what's bullshitting. I've read there are even people out there deliberately fake stories as a hopelessly ill-advised way of trying to trick their minds into manifesting what they're after. I'd definitely like to know how far it can go if someone is skilled enough. We hit a wall with the other laws of reality, but it makes me wonder if there aren't bodhisattva types or people like Blavatsky's hidden masters out there who even those are no problem for.
some resources >Nei kung and Qigong. >Foolish Fish YouTube channel >Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Agrippa (preferably the translation by Eric Purdue) >https://www.sacred-texts.com/ >http://english.grimoar.cz/ >http://www.esotericarchives.com/ >Glitch Bottle podcast on YouTube >books by Mantak Chia and Yang Jwing-Ming >Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
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A good magical wand is a waveguide, focusing and channeling vibrations of energetic nature and/or subtle matter
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Working on improvements, self improvement 3d printing is kinda like magic if one is good with modeling >>715 The void might be represented by a perfect sphere, which has like infinite sides
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"sigil refers to a symbolic representation of the practitioner's desired outcome." Would it be safe to say that money is a form of sigil magic?
>>1377 Sigil magic works by you focusing on the symbol and then forgetting the symbol (as in putting it away) and letting it enter another part of the mind than the day to day conscious, thus using money for it wouldn't be practical from what I've read.
>>1379 Then if not sigil magic, money could be used as another form of magic right?
>>1380 Maybe I've read books on money magic and such, it depends what you're aiming to accomplish with this
>>1381 I'm not actually trying to accomplish anything, i'm trying to see if the elite are using magic with money? There are is a lot of symbolism in there. Or maybe i'm wrong and it's just fancy paper.
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>>1382 So you're attempting to accomplish to find out if others are using magic on money to further some shady goals? There are many ways to see things, if you go looking for something you may find it. I've stopped reading biblioteca pleyades weekly news, because there have been so many articles lately regarding these so called "elites". Its better not to read too much into that, the way I see it. Interesting patterns might emerge from folding paper bills in various ways, but the meaning is what you make it. As for money itself, its good to view it as potential. It has the potential to become something else if spent, just like energy in the electric systems can become light from a lightbulb or a soundwave from a speaker. Yes there is symbolism, if you look for masonic money symbolism or money changers/masters documentary you may find out more, if that really is what you're after, easily found with an online search engine
>>1383 Sounds like your saying there is no spiritual magic in money that effects the average user of money?
>>1384 It depends on beliefs, not in religious sense, but more like may this be the way it is? Generally, lets just say most people don't believe there's some magic affecting them if they're handling money, they'll most likely be unaffected
>>1385 I am a huge noob when it comes to magic (i don't even know a good definition of magic), i've only done one sigil and it worked horribly, i got a vision of a dead naked man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN-V7yRCehs what do you think if this video? is this actual magic or just symbolism?
>>1386 The word magic originates from Zoroaster and the magi who were priests in Persia. Imagination (I magi nation) may also be related, since magic is art and craft of the mind. I do my best to do benevolent magic, since bad magic can fail or rebound and make misfortune for the magician. Therefore, I adhere to white positive magic for well being and betterment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlTs8TYifSs That said, there are many different kinds of magic, too many to cover in one post, so just read what you find related to it if interested, this thread has some good info if you look through it
>>1353 > The talk about "feeling" really threw me off, since the word sounds like it's talking about emotion. But positive emotions are an effect rather than a cause, so once you do the training right and consistently reprogram your subconscious mind positive emotions will start to follow. Correction: I've been doing some more reading, and I seem to have been confused by people saying contradictory things about this. What I've read now is that the point of the visualization exercise is to anchor your feelings and bring out your emotions as strongly and consistently as possible.
I once found really interesting cards with magical information on a site, I have now found the site again so I'm linking it here; https://consult.zaporacle.com/oracle/v3.2.13/ I stopped going on it at some point because I felt some of the cards were too negative, but there are a lot of interesting messages in there and useful information, there are a total of 673 cards, each a page of its own
i don't suppose there is a "magic for retards" book?
>>1398 There are many books if you're serious about getting into magic, but it also depends on what kind of magic you're interested in getting into The basics first, with a solid foundation things will work out better and easier usually. "Qi Gong" means energy work. If you can gather and work with subtle energy (or mold life force with thought) then you are well on your way to a solid foundation. Being open minded enough to try idiots guides or "for retards" books is good. Some of these books are very informative and empowering. (My suggestion is to try the sitting exercise and see how you feel afterward) Eastern monks have shown quite magical feats in physical reality, so its a good place to start. >>79
Is anyone here familiar with Frank Kepple? If so, what do you think of his ideas? I'd heard of him previously but never checked him out until now. http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html Here's a Dropbox link that collects a bunch of his old forum posts: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0mdilfmsymjkz9/FranksPosts.pdf?dl=0
Is it possible to do magic without realizing it?
>>1404 Yeah, but it depends on definitions If someone does magic but doesn't know what the term "magic" stands for then they might not know that it is that which they may be doing Another way of interpreting the question is about realization as in making something real, in that case it depends on what one considers real and one could do some magic theorizing which might not manifest in physical reality
What's the deal with Kabbalah? Abdullah, the supposed instructor of both Neville Goddard and Joseph Murphy was a Kabbalist. Is there a good source for learning about it with as little gobbledygook as possible? I've been watching a YouTube series about it and still don't feel like I even get what it is yet. How useful is it?
>>1411 I'd be interested too. I've only got minimal information on it, its supposedly a jewish invention and the tree of life is the main thing which has appeared to me out of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah
>>1412 I thought I read that even the Jews developed it based on Greek ideas. I started reading A Garden of Pomegranates by Israel Regardie but don't know if it would clarify anything for me. The Mystical Qabalah by Dion Fortune seems to have a good reputation, but I think it's pretty deep reading.
>>1413 Update: I just found this book, which seems really promising. What I've read so far has explained things clearly and succinctly.
I have read online not to use Sigil magic to manipulate people, that the "universe" is going to get revenge on you for trying. But i was able to get a guy to give me a glass of water without too much problem other than some visions of dead people. What is the point of magic if you can't control people. Why does sigil magic backfire when you use it to manipulate people?
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>>1415 I generally don't like the idea of manipulating other people. The idea is more like this, being in control of one's own life, one can specify what kind of things one would like and then people who fit in with that will tend to appear to do the support work without you manipulating any people in actuality. They simply already fit the way things are supposed to work in line with the parameters you've set. This is more the kind of magic I have in mind anyway. Basically, if they fit, then they may appear on their own to participate. Manipulating someone else without permission is where things go faulty, so lets not do that. You would most likely not want someone else manipulating you, right? Think open ended collaboration project, where the right ones who fit it are able to join, rather than targeting and manipulating someone who may not fit. Things may go better when not forcing it. Sometimes it helps to let go, step back a bit and rethink things, maybe there are better ways that are easier, like going with the flow.
>>1416 How would you respond to the interpretation that you're moving into a different reality where someone will want to do what you want? Do you think there's even any basis to the many-worlds model of manifestation? A lot of people seem to take it as a given.
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>>1418 The way I see it, oneself shifts with time and there are infinite parallel reality world lines where every potential can be explored. Considering the dimensions, each slice of space is represented as a point on a line of time (see pic). Then one has alternate potential lines, so ones own timeline be like a 3 dimensional structure, like a tree. Most people only consider the current and then potential futures, but one can also consider probable pasts (the roots). If you've read the transurfing book, the alternatives space could be represented this way. It makes sense for the dimensions to be 3 of 3 like this pic shows as they then form a fractal structure and nature generally works in fractals
>>1423 I've read of people exploring alternate past scenarios related to events in their lives using astral projection. It seems usually what you hear of is people looking into potential futures. As far as manipulation goes, I've read people justifying it by saying that we're influencing people all the time with our thoughts whether we intend to or not. Jurgen Ziewe has a different perspective on this whole thing: http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Super_dimensions-consensus_environments.html >The fourth infinite aspects are the uncountable numbers of universes which can all be accessed from these and even higher levels. In my own experience the “Many World Interpretation”, although making sense from a quantum mechanical viewpoint, is in fact no more than a fantasy which falls short of the actual reality. It is simply that scientists try to explain non-physical events from a physical angle and end up with a misrepresentation of reality. To imagine an infinite number of version of us, with a google to the power of google combinations of events played out in an infinite number of universes seems to me to be sheer madness. The universe does not operate on the laws of madness and it doesn’t need to, because all experience it wants to explore it will and to do this, it does not need infinite copies of us or infinite copies of our physical universe. Seeing Max Blogg having breakfast with a dinosaur in a tent on an asteroid is not part of the synchronistic workings of a creation which springs, from unity, clarity, perfection and harmony and even when it introduces chaos in its process of creating denser physical manifestation it will do so following its own cosmic laws and not those of a demented lunatic. Reality is about repose, symmetry, intelligence, order and harmony and even the chaos follows logical laws, even if we don’t understand them. I'm not sure that I agree with that, but I find all this stuff hard to even understand in the first place. Even if he's right, then maybe you could still see the many-worlds idea almost like a metaphor for the completely unlimited potentialities that exist inside the All just waiting to be manifested.
>>1423 >>1425 About shifting between reality worlds; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyrl6lx0PHM A perspective on parallel reality worlds; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjk8Y8bcye8
What do you know about the Pulsa de Nura curse ? How important is the Torah scrolls to the curse?
>>1416 Well the first sigil i made was for someone to give me a glass of water and i had visions of dead people. I heard that sigil magic doesn't contact spiritual entities so why did a spirits (i'm assuming it was a spirit) give me a vision? I didn't exactly target anyone either so why was i spiritually oppressed?
>>1449 When you use a sigil you're passing on information to an other part of yourself than the day to day conscious and that other part of yourself (often called subconscious) may be more connected to what you might consider spiritual or supernatural. From what 's written here >>1415 it seems you may have a belief that >to use Sigil magic to manipulate people, that the "universe" is going to get revenge on you for trying Maybe you got the vision because of that
>>1450 >Maybe you got the vision because of that I heard of that after i did the sigil, i did have a negative connotation to magic so maybe that is why.
To anyone who has worked with demons, can they read your mind?
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Here's a biography of Robert Monroe that's worth the time if you'd like a rundown on his life and ideas without reading all three of his books: https://pdfhost.io/v/QPK1O~BtS_The_Journey_of_Robert_Monroe
>>1474 I think they can. >>1509 Good post!
Here are a bunch of testimonials from people who claim to have successfully increased their height: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Eboe5YJRpDxe8H46Dj-SCk7ICZeXbAax
>>1474 Not without permission >>1506 I read about him before, interesting books about out of body experiences
>>1551 >I read about him before, interesting books about out of body experiences Yeah, him and the Monroe Institute deserve a ton of credit for bringing the phenomenon into the public consciousness. Before he came along, people would just write the topic off as nutty hocus pocus or something sinister, but his more modern presentation of the topic and scientifically minded outlook won a lot of people over who would be more dismissive of the occult writers of the old days.
Do you guys think there's any significance to closed-eye visualizations? I went through a period where I'd have relaxation sessions every day when possible, and I've been seeing them ever since.
>>1574 It likely varies Its kinda like with dreams, they could be anything (Sometimes real life situations, sometimes symbolism, sometimes prophetic, and so on)
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>>1575 It's really weird. When I close my eyes, I vaguely see impressions of abstract patterns making wavy or whirling movements. A lot of the time it looks similar to this image if it was zoomed in and not in color. Other times I have the perception of streams of something moving in alternating directions. I don't really know how to describe it other than that it kind of reminds me of Frogger. I don't mind it one way or the other, but it's pretty odd since it's not like I've ever done drugs or anything like that.

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