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Computers Thread Fellow Time Traveler 08/21/2020 (Fri) 04:41:24 No.803
Looks like none of the images in the catalog work. Let's get a fresh thread in here, focused on computers! I don't have pictures at the moment to share, but I got lucky today and picked up a nice big beige computer case. I'm assembling a new personal computer from parts that I got deals on, found in the junk heap, or that I was given by friends. So, I guess it's not really a /retro/ computer, but it will be in a /retro/ case, and I plan to get an adapter which will let me use a 3.5" floppy disk drive in there. The adapter plugs into the floppy pins, and presents a USB interface to the motherboard. That adapter is under $10 USD. In fact, I've seen an adapter card that will do the same but for 5.25" floppy disk drives. So, when I have more money, I should be able to have not only a 3.5" FDD, but a 5.25" FDD in my system, running alongside new solid state drives, Blu-Ray disc drives, and of course a few regular hard drives. It should be pretty fun. Again, no pictures yet but I will share with you guys when I can. For now I'll just post one from my collection. What have you guys been up to?
>So, I guess it's not really a /retro/ computer, but it will be in a /retro/ case, Sounds neat. I was actually thinking about how viable doing something like that would be lately. It seems like it would be hard to find beige accessories to match the case completely like I'd want. I remember thinking that black computers looked cool, but nowadays I'm kind of sick of them and miss the old beige look.
>>812 Yeah I'm tired of black computers too. But most of my things that go in are black. I have a couple blu-ray drives, which are black, and my only floppy drive with a beige front panel is broken, and the panel doesn't fit my working one. So the floppy drive I have in there now is also black. I think I may paint them later on, though. Should be easy to get some satin white or ivory spray paint and paint it yourself.
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Dunno if relevant to the thread but I've always wanted to try a horizontal PC case instead of a vertical one. It looks more practical as both my monitor and case are right in front of me, and the monitor is elevated to be directly in my line of sight while sitting upright... Sadly I never personally found any PC models that supported horizontal placement, I can always build my own but I'll probably mess it up big time as I have no experience with that. A bit of an unpopular opinion: chrome-colored PCs from the 2000s are much sexier than the 90s beige ones.
>>815 Check out the Checkmate A1500 Plus and the Cryorig Taku.
>>815 are you sure about this? I'm pretty certain plenty of PC cases are sturdy enough to support a monitor when they're lying on their side. I can sit on my cases, too. So I'm pretty sure they could handle a monitor, and an LCD? no sweat. Don't really like the images you posted there so much, I'm more of a beige guy myself. My LCD monitor does have a silvery bezel and I like that, but it has a black body behind that. I think a silver bezel with a beige body would be nice. I will say that the Vaio image you posted it really nice though, that one does the color much better than the others IMHO. >>803 Still no pictures to share really, I am struggling to fit a 120mm fan in the back of this case. I am 3d printing parts to get it to sit in there nicely and I'm cutting a bit of sheetmetal as well.
oh shit guys, I might get a C64 soon, I know someone who is getting rid of one. it's in bad condition but I will see if I can fix it!
>>827 Cool. Recently I've got one for relatively cheap at a local store since apparently they couldn't get rid of it (!). Cassette reader was broken tho.
>>827 Even if you can't it makes a good case.
>>828 nice, funny they couldn't get rid of it haha. >>830 Yeah, or even perhaps a keyboard. I think it will probably work, though. These things seem to hold up quite well. only thing is, I don't have my CRT anymore. seems kind of lame to hook it up to an LCD.
>>833 >I don't have my CRT anymore. seems kind of lame to hook it up to an LCD. Yeah, I wish there was a decent replacement for CRTs nowadays. I have some old TVs for playing games on but would probably only keep one if there were a good way of replicating that look straight away.
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Guess what I just got guys...
>>836 Gnarly.
>>837 damn right dude, I got it for free and it cleaned up pretty well. Gonna need a new power supply so that's going to set me back some cash, and I'm out of a job so it'll have to wait a little while. But once I get that I should be in business since it looks like it's in good condition
>>815 Thank you. I just about cried, it's so nolstagic lol
Any /tech/ meets /retro/ lads here? I'm a NEET shit so the only actual "retro" hardware I have is a laptop from 2002 that I got in... 2002. And a bunch of floppies to go with it. Recently I installed OpenBSD on it and used the floppy installer to get the job done, only because all other methods failed. But when it comes to software, that's easier to do. The sheer awesomeness of the first book cover made me pick up 8086 assembly on DOS with that exact book. It's an excellent programming book that I recommend to any programmer, it has a lot of valuable lessons outside assembly for a dead machine and OS. I'm using FreeDOS inside qemu and emulating the text mode with a terminal to get nice font rendering, so the way I'm doing it is not truly period correct, although the experience is much of the same. If I manage to finish this book I'll make something with its knowledge, like write a sudoku game for DOS or something, all in assembly.
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>>878 Yeah, until very recently (lost due to a fire :( also that's why I only have pics of the screen) I owned a beige Powermac G3 with a Macintosh Color Display. This computer really made me appreciate 90s Apple, because without Steve throwing shitfits over the looks they really could design the thing to be as serviceable as possible. Literally, unscrewing only one thing gives you access to every component of the system, the whole computer is divided into sections on hinges, which you can just flip over (like a flipout book) if you want to go deeper, it's truly amazing. The software is still shit though, so I wanted to replace it with NetBSD, but apparently the drive controller on this thing is wonky and just writing the bootsector took half an hour to finish, not to mention random framebuffer glitches. Eh, maybe it's good that it's now gone.... >The sheer awesomeness of the first book cover made me pick up 8086 assembly on DOS Oh fuck, I also wanna get into it. Demoscene and cracktros always looked like so much fun and it can't be that hard, right? I'm not even talking about size competitions, just making some fun stuff move at the screen.
>>882 The hardest part so far has been figuring out the right programs to use on FreeDOS to replace the tools recommended in the book. You can just pirate MS-DOS and Microsoft's programmer tools if that's troublesome. I pirated the book itself from libgen. 8086 assembly looks like C and BASIC had an autistic child, in fact if you know either you already know most of the concepts behind assembly. The book doesn't deal with graphics and sound if you want to do demos, but I doubt any introduction will have those subjects anyway.
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There's a sizable collection available of The Computer Chronicles. https://archive.org/details/computerchronicles?tab=collection
>>892 Oh fuck yeah, thank you! IA is the definition of a goldmine.
So after watching the C-64 episode, it seems that it was still very popular years after it's introduction. WTF happened to it then? Why would the company just pull and then die as a result? Did They kill it or what /retro/?
I watched this BBS documentary series a while ago and found it interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dddbe9OuJLU&list=PL7nj3G6Jpv2G6Gp6NvN1kUtQuW8QshBWE
>>899 Basically anything Jason Scott puts out is great. Speaking of /retro/, I think Geocities is still on The Pirate Bay...
>>815 >I can always build my own but Go for it! It's not hard, and a fun project.
>>957 Not him but you're right, projects are great. I haven't been on here in a long time. Think we can revive this place?
>>964 >Think we can revive this place? Not him, but I hope so. Every day I look to see if there's any activity on here and try to do what I can to increase it, even if my posts aren't necessarily all that great.
>>966 Well, the only way to keep this place alive, like any other imageboard, is to browse other retro-oriented forums and to send invites to this place. It's hard to maintain a constant stream of posters when the only people who might even know of the board are those who know of Alogs. Sure, Alogs is indexed on the Search Engine That Must Not Be Named, but I don't really think people go out of their way to look for retro aesthetic websites unless they already know where to look for. Maybe participating in the /icup/ may yield some more publicity.
>>964 No we can't. This site is dead and looks pretty much abandoned. We haven't had a bo in like a year. And the board is in a terrible shape too, there is no way the files will ever get restored. We should have moved to anon.cafe when julay ended to start over.
>>964 >>966 >>967 >>968 >This site is dead and looks pretty much abandoned Its main activity is the most notoriously known board on the webring /cow/ which probably repels anons. I think /sw/ and /ita/ are also quite active, but that's pretty much it, Julay World died a long ago and now Alog.space is just a husk of it. >We should have moved to anon.cafe Considering how it have quite few related boards unlike here, it would be much better choice. Maybe someone can become a BO over there?
>>969 Oh, and in case anyone interested there's 90'-00's nostalgia thread on antares.chan , but it's pretty dead too - http://l2sv2h6eoxdu6y6s.onion/misc/res/617.html
>>966 >>967 >>968 After the board got nuked, and then julay became alog, all that crap, it really killed off this place. Anon.cafe seems alright, maybe we should move there. Not sure. >>969 Yeah that stuff is really weird and I don't even understand what it's about. Looks like anon.cafe might work. What do you guys think? No hate for julay of course but maybe we could move. Then again, how many of us are there? three anons? lol. I doubt there were many posters even when /retro/ was not kill.
>>969 >but that's pretty much it, Julay World died a long ago and now Alog.space is just a husk of it /ita/ here, I must say that it's a sad reality. Robi's an alright admin but this site just doesn't attract many anons because they assume we're all /cow/boys and don't ever look into our threads, outside of maybe some lone wanderer. The overboard is also kind of fucked up. Plenty of unspoilered porn by the three-four obsessed /cow/ users. >>970 Antares' still up? Well I'll be. Not much of a TORpedo, how popular is it? >>971 >Anon.cafe seems alright, maybe we should move there. I would advise against it. Anon Cafe is a great website but it tends to be unstable on a weekly basis. Could it just be my rotten luck but that's how it always feels like. Also apparently they're strapped for space, though if the Fascists leave they could have an open spot.
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You guys would fit right in with the laid-back demeanor of Anoncafe. Just ask the site Admins there for a new board on the /meta/ thread would be my advice. Maybe they can also craft a script of some kind to help you migrate if you choose to as well. Since they both use Lynxchan IB software (and even Robi's frontend code too, by the looks of it) should be pretty straightforward. Also, I have about 1'000 of your files, 1GB in size, scraped together using my archiver program. > I don't have much to offer you guys here on /retro/ but I've enjoyed seeing how the history of computer tech happened though. I wish you all well. >>972 >though if the Fascists leave they could have an open spot. They are gone. Anoncafe Admins deleted the board March 20th, as promised.
>>967 /retro/ does seem kind of out of place being on this site. >>969 How did /cow/ end up declining so much? I lurked /cwc/ back in the 789chan/888chan days, and /cow/ used to feel like a true continuation of those sites. Then after a while they just started focusing on boring streamer personalities instead of funny lolcows, and I ended up parting ways with them. >>971 >this place. Anon.cafe seems alright, maybe we should move there. Not sure. I like that idea. Isn't anon.cafe invisible from the tvchan webring list though? They get a lot of traffic, but I guess a lot of people don't even seem to bother looking at the list of other boards though. >>972 >I would advise against it. Anon Cafe is a great website but it tends to be unstable on a weekly basis. Could it just be my rotten luck but that's how it always feels like. True, but it might be worth the tradeoff. >>974 >Also, I have about 1'000 of your files, 1GB in size, scraped together using my archiver program. Nice.
https://archive.org/details/computes-programming-the-commodore-64-the-definitive-guide-revised-edition Found this book about programming the Commodore 64 which goes from learning BASIC all the way to 6502 assembly, opcodes, and expanding BASIC with assembly. I'm the anon who was doing 8086 assembly on DOS, I ended up dropping the book because the last chapters are very borying copypasta, but it taught me valuable programming lessons and experience.
>>972 I haven't had any issues with anon.cafe in the past few months, but yeah it used to be pretty unstable.
>>972 Robi seems like a good admin. But yes this site is I guess not the best because of what appears to me to be severe autism that is so incomprehensible it borders on the extraterrestrial to me. >>974 I think you're right about the demeanor thing. >>975 Also agreed, /retro/ is the only board on this site I ever use. I tried /tech/ once and some guy just blew up on me about some meaningless thing so I left. >>976 That's pretty cool, I guess I'll download that. I still haven't sourced a new power supply for my C64 so it's still dormant right now
>>975 >I like that idea. Isn't anon.cafe invisible from the tvchan webring list though? Anoncafe had 404'd their webring.json file to help gain cover from the potential shitstorm that evil cakefat asshole on 8moe stirred when (((HBO))) interviewed him. I had the impression they would reenable it if a webring meltdown didn't ensue. >Nice. It's primarily for the benefit of preserving the site, not as entertainment solely for myself.
I'm gonna request a board on anon.cafe again, lets see what happens.
>>979 >Anoncafe had 404'd their webring.json file to help gain cover from the potential shitstorm that evil cakefat asshole on 8moe stirred when (((HBO))) interviewed him. I had the impression they would reenable it if a webring meltdown didn't ensue. Got it. That makes perfect sense. >It's primarily for the benefit of preserving the site, not as entertainment solely for myself. Thanks for doing it either way.
>>982 >Thanks for doing it either way. A pleasure. Just in case you ever need it, drop me a line over in >>>/robowaifu/8492 . I may miss it here or Anoncafe. Cheers /retro/ !
>>981 Good job, it looks like you succeeded.
>>984 Oh shit, nice. I can add volunteers if anyone wants to help out, just make an account on anon.cafe. >>974 Awesome, can you upload it?
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Really glad you guys are alive, i thought you had all broke apart some months ago, still i think i replied to some of you in other boards and sites over time. But still, now we can post like in the early refugee days. Also not to be an asshole but... i told ya we should've moved here after the dolphin attack, being on the IRC i knew things were fucked and this place had similar anons
>>992 found my way here too. let's see if it takes off again. My only gripe with anon.cafe is that there's coomer pr0n shit on this site. I wish there were chans without any of that garbage.
>>992 I'm glad the BO took the initiative in bringing the board over here. Hopefully we can get posters here who aren't the tiny handful of us who were posting at the previos board by the end. >>1024 I have no problem with it.
The January 1968 issue of this magazine has an excellent article on reading Hexadecimal on the PDF's page 47: http://www.bitsavers.org/magazines/Datamation/196801.pdf
>>1077 >a little schizo about data are you? Stopped reading there, what the hell is IB lingo doing in a 1968 magazine.
>>1159 It's spook lingo, the CIA was well-known to use certain strong words and phrases to cast certain people as outsiders since the days Kennedy got killed.
Netiquette RFC: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt >Always say goodbye, or some other farewell, and wait to see a >farewell from the other person before killing the session. This >is especially important when you are communicating with someone >a long way away. Remember that your communication relies on both >bandwidth (the size of the pipe) and latency (the speed of light). That one fag who would only log off the MMO after everyone said goodbye just had good netiquette.
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>>815 I've always liked the chrome cases, they always had that 2000s aesthetic to me. my first case was a full ATX ABS (remember them?) prebuilt from 2003 that weighs like 20 pounds but is solid metal with a huge plastic panel on the side. switched to a new one for practical reasons, having a microATX motherboard in a case like that is a waste.
>>1769 I wish we had PCs the way they thought we're gonna have PCs in the 80s and 90s.
>>1772 I just wish we had an Internet sans Steve Jobs, and the hordes of NPCs he unleashed on the world via the fagphone. Oh well, the past is in the behind. Best play the shit hand we've been dealt.
>>1774 Internet was getting mainstream'd even without Jewbs. Every console was getting online, everything was getting online. It was inevitable.
>>1767 That reminds me of this watch, it looked so cool. Fuck I miss those mini analog tvs so much.
>>1775 Heh, which timeline you on Anon? Cause in this one, that event was the bursting of a inglorious dam that within just a few years turned the entire Internet into the open cesspit of Marxism it is today.
>>1777 Learn to read.
>>1776 >watch with tv There was such a thing?
>>1776 I remember an episode of Columbo (believe it was 'Columbo Goes To College') which had a plot based around these. >>1780 Probably not affordable to most ordinary people.
>>1793 >Probably not affordable to most ordinary people. I'm more baffled that it was technologically possible back then.
>>1794 90s smartwatches are just as impressive
>>1804 Damn, now that looks like true future.
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>>1775 >Internet was getting mainstream'd even without Jewbs. True, but many technologies had not matured to the level where they were accepted by the public. For example WebTV was released in the USA in 1996, but the concept did not actually become successful until much later with the "smart device" generation. Not completely related, but never the less interesting. The founding members of WebTV were all Jews, and one went on to co-found Carrier IQ, which was used on feature phones. It has a very interesting story associated with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ
>>803 Man the Audrey got robbed. If it had come out only a few years later then they would have taken off.
>>1895 That's a neat one, I've never heard of it before. Having read it came loaded with QNX, that seems noteworthy. Blackberry bought that OS in relatively recent times. It's one of the few microkernal based OS around, maybe the only proprietary commercial one I can think of.
Oh man I can't believe that no one has posted this magnificent thing yet. The TAM, Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh. It was really an exercise in over engineering at the time. Note that big Bose subwolfer. It is not optional because it contains the power supply for the whole computer.
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>>1934 I don't understand the reasoning for that computer, it appears to be the three major components of a laptop (screen, keyboard, and base), rearranged to meet the form factor of a desktop. The aesthetic of the later PowerMac Cube is by far, much better. Although, it was released four years later, which is significant for the high-velocity state of change in the mid to late 90s.
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>>882 I agree, the Outrigger case is a wonderful Mac design, probably the best of the beige ones. The use of translucent and colored plastics with the iMac G3 was a neat change when it happened, but the weird shapes they used, e.g. puck mouse and clam shell laptop, are cringe. The subdued rib texture on some of the surfaces, face plates, is still a very pleasing aesthetic all these years later.
>>974 Mind you to share which chan archiver you use? If selfwritten, are you willing to share source + setup instructions?
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Posted this on zzz/v/ but i'll repost it here, I got my Win2K machine up and running and I am loving it. >AMD Athlon XP 2600+ >MSI KM4M-L >Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro >80GB WD Caviar HDD >40GB WD Caviar HDD >2x512MB DDR >Creative Audigy SoundBlaster 2 >WinFAST TV 2000 XP Tuner Vidya includes: >Rise of Nations >SimCity 4 >Far Cry >Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 >Deus Ex: Invisible War >Clue >Scrabble >Diablo >Diablo II + Lords of Destruction and a bunch of others that I'm forgetting. Either way it's running much smoother now that I've applied new thermal paste to the CPU and GPU (although I still named it Housefire). Also made sure to install all the extras that came on the CDs like XFire and GameSpy.
>>2021 Nice. How well does Rise of Nations run? I was playing it on a computer running XP at the time but don't remember the system specs.
>>2021 >zzz ewe! that site is fucking lame did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker
>>2022 I haven't gotten to it yet, but I assume it would run fine. Everything I've thrown at the Radeon has held up so far.
>>2025 >did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker What's wrong with that?
>>2025 >did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker Could be way worse, especially in the imageboard circles where it has been bad often. The problem are the mods and the users.
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>>2025 >did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker so?
>>2027 >>2030 >postal worker I take it you've never interacted with one
>>815 Chrome was okay as long as it was brushed and not glossy. The case should be nondescript and not reflect light everywhere. Though reflecting light is still better than shining it everywhere like that RGB stuff of today.
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I was curious and looked up "what was the fastest 8086 clone?" I found this blog post: http://www.z80.eu/blog/index.php?entry=entry190310-150623 Apparently it was the 8086 in this NEC machine.
>>2069 I wish I had seen this 25 years ago.
>>2047 Black and matte silver have been mainstream since the mid 00s. Even new computers are black, silver, white or some combination of those shades. The colour tinted metallic ones are pretty unique, like the Sony Vaio, or HP used smokey translucent plastics. You do not normally see that anymore on desktops, but maybe on some laptops.
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>>2021 Hell yeah! Excellent choice with Win2k and an Athlon. They make for fantastic retro development workstations and gaming machines. I just cycled from an OC'd Pentium MMX @ 300MHz to a K6-III 450 to an underclocked tbird at 600MHz before discovering that sandisk CF cards don't work well with udma on older boards. >although I still named it Housefire Athlons run hot regardless of your cooling. Since that rig is overkill for most of your games, you might want to try underclocking/undervolting the CPU a bit. The tbird I'm using is rated at 1200MHz@1.75v, but it runs over 20C cooler at 600/1.55v.
>>878 /retro/ /tech/fag reporting in. >>882 >Oh fuck, I also wanna get into it. Here are some useful resources if you're still interested: http://textfiles.com/programming/dostech.pro ^ comprehensive set of interrupt lists, memory maps, and technical documentation for DOS and the PC. http://textfiles.com/programming/CARDS/8088 ^ quick instruction set reference card. Useful for some operations, though complex instructions like mul, div, stos/cmps/movs/lods, etc. aren't covered very well. http://textfiles.com/programming/ibmbios.txt ^ covers IBM BIOS interrupt handlers. http://textfiles.com/programming/ports.lst ^ common I/O ports and addresses. Use unless contradicted by dostech.pro http://bitsavers.org/components/intel/8086/9800722-03_The_8086_Family_Users_Manual_Oct79.pdf ^ what it says on the tin. https://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/www.artofasm.com/DOS/AoADosIndex.html ^ online archive of the Art of Assembly Language Programming. You can find PDFs of the book as well. >>888 If you don't want to pirate, then jwasm is available on freedos. It's masm/tasm compatible and includes newer masm features like high level conditional macros and invoke statements. You can also use macro packages like nasmx, though masm compatible assembler is more or less the gold standard for IBM compatibles. It might be helpful to make a retro development thread. Thoughts?
>>2202 >It might be helpful to make a retro development thread. Thoughts? Sure, but I probably won't be of much use because all the programming I do is in C and for the modern unices. BTW, I ended up dropping Peter Norton's book. It feels like he gave up in the last few chapters: they're a lot of copypasting with little to no explanation. The parts before that were some of the best programming lessons I've had though.
>>2204 >It feels like he gave up in the last few chapters: they're a lot of copypasting with little to no explanation. That's a shame! Was there anything he missed or was it to the point where the topics didn't really need to be included anymore? >all the programming I do is in C and for the modern unices For the most part, same here, buuuut the portability that C offers isn't exclusive to the present or future. I recently wrote a really shitty terminal snake game (which was itself sort of a port of a DOS assembly implementation) on a PPC mac running tiger. It was then possible to get it running on my modern linux box with IIRC two or three small changes that didn't break back-portability to the mac. More complex graphical applications would definitely be harder, but there are widget libraries like XForms that have been stable for decades now.
Tried to retro-theme. I'm happy with it.
>>2208 >That's a shame! Was there anything he missed or was it to the point where the topics didn't really need to be included anymore? The interface was ready and the program was reading from a hardcoded disk sector, what was left were the menus to let the user pick which sector to read and the screen editor for editing those sectors before writing them back.
>>2213 Oh god, UI is always a bitch when you can't just fall back on some pretty defaults and widget libraries. >>2209 Looking good! The title bar text is fantastic.
>>2031 kek, the ones at my local office are literally like Newman. they're all extremely disgruntled and do a terrible job. The other day I went in around 11am and I hear the fat bastard behind the counter mumbling about how he wishes the day would be over already, before lunch even started. And a couple weeks ago this postal worker came blaring some typical junk on a speaker he was carrying (take a guess what this guy looked like), so I reported it to the USPS and the next time I saw him, he was wearing earbuds.
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>>878 Gotta love Peter "poosy deestroyer" Norton
>>2254 Imagine the cost of the computer they're using. It feels strange to see 3D CGI when the average computer from that time barely had 2D and mainly used text mode for everything.
I was searching for a clear trackball mouse and found a good thread. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pre-and-post-imac-g3-uses-of-translucent-plastics.2308014/
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>Alpha Architecture, lecture by Richard L. Sites and Dirk Meyer https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=klg1FtHADso Excellent lecture. Makes a lot of correct predictions of the future and explains some good goddamn design.
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I have been considering semi-seriously getting an SGI Indigo or Onyx to aid in making 3D models that are true to the Y2K aesthetic. Because these machines are MIPS they can't really be emulated, as well as their proprietary OS (some people have booted IRIX in Qemu but it's completely unusable). They're also insanely priced because of scalpers and the retro community, so each machine could cost $500+ at a minimum, and that's for ones in a beat-up state. People are even selling the mouse it came with for $100. Would something like this even be worth it? Or should I just get an old version of Blender instead?
>>2510 >Would something like this even be worth it? It would be a cool piece of computing history but probably not worth it just to model /retro/ stuff. >Or should I just get an old version of Blender instead? You don't even need an old version, the 2 main parts of retro CG are technique and rendering. For instance you can do CSG with primitives just fine and the POVRay 3 addon just needs to be enabled in the settings. If you wanted something less advanced than Blender then there's always Wings 3D (which is readily packaged in various distros).
>>2511 >If you wanted something less advanced than Blender then there's always Wings 3D (which is readily packaged in various distros). Not that guy, but that seems relevant to my interests now that I've looked it up. It's got POV-Ray support and everything.
>>2510 I'd recommend not doing that yet and instead first trying something like 3D Studio (not MAX, get it on winworld or vetusware) for DOS or Lightwave for the Amiga line of computers, to see if that fits your needs.
>>2510 If you want one, you had better act quickly. They've entered the bad part of the bathtub curve. You're probably aware of Nekochan. You should consider using Izware Nendo which Wings 3D was inspired by.
>>1077 What a fascinating article! It's true: every programmer should learn that table. I'll reproduce it here: Hexadecimal-Binary-Decimal ¦ Digit Conversion ¦ hex binary decimal o 0000 0 1 0001 1 2 0010 2 3 0011 3 4 0100 4 5 0101 5 6 0110 6 7 0111 7 8 1000 8 9 1001 9 A 1010 10 B 1011 11 C 1100 12 D 1101 13 E 1110 14 F 1111 15
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I got an early 2000's Dell laptop, the Latitude D400 running Void Linux but I plan to try Haiku OS on it. Haiku OS as a really retro feel and I think it will fit that bad boy very well... Will dig in it soon as I haven't much free time right now. I can't wait.
>>2583 The icons definitely do have a 2000s feel to them.
>>2583 Looks fun. The interface graphics remind me of a cross between Mac OS 7 and the classic Windows look.
>>2099 I love that version of Kings Quest. The graphics are much better than the original, but not ostentatious.
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>>2583 My bad, it's a Latitude D610 (I wasn't at home when writting this). Just finished the install and updating packages right now, it's pretty fast compared to Void Linux on this old laptop. First impression : it's fast, lightweight, comfy and pleasantly /retro/. I'm impatient to dig more in it. Will try to rice it up a little (without altering the retrostyle), tweaks some things and learn the basic features. Just rebooting after update, it's daaaaaaamn fast ! Web browser is fast to. On Void I used Falkon (a lightweight KDE browser) and it was slow and tend to crash. I'm happy, like a kid with a new toy discovering a new OS and new things to learn. And most of all a friendly OS that I can use on my old computer.
>>2591 I've ported programs to Haiku. It has its original C++ API, but also, it has a C POSIX programming interface with a few extensions that are common in the free world. It's easy to write programs for it as if it was any Unix because it is one as far as the C programmer is concerned.
>>2597 Interesting, I was a bit affraid the lack of softwares (some anon told me there are not as much as in Void Linux) but the default repository is well supplied. At least enough to fulfill my needs for this old laptop. I started to read some docs about programming for Haiku and I think if there was more dev at work, it would be a serious OS competing Linux disros. Also, I may not be accustomed to it but the window management is not very instinctive. I tried to tweak it to dark mode but I'm not totally satisfied with some details, after a read on the forum, I think I will try to build my own theme from source. Hehe, more things to play with ;)
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>>2599 As I read things here and there, just stumble on Serenity OS : ''A graphical Unix-like operating system for desktop computers! SerenityOS is a love letter to '90s user interfaces with a custom Unix-like core. It flatters with sincerity by stealing beautiful ideas from various other systems. Roughly speaking, the goal is a marriage between the aesthetic of late-1990s productivity software and the power-user accessibility of late-2000s *nix.'' Does any of you use or know it ?
>>2600 >Does any of you use or know it ? I build it from time to time to try it out. The UI used to have some charm, like the little arrows on the scroll bars, etc. but with recent changes it's nothing more than an unstable Windows 2000 clone. The "Unix-like core" or base OS isn't very interesting and most would be better served by a Linux or BSD. I don't understand why they're rolling a custom kernel for this.
>>2601 >I build it from time to time Could you upload an ISO? I want to try this.
>>2602 It builds onto disk image and auto runs itself in QEMU. No ISO.
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These past few months I've been working on a little program called octaPNG, it basically converts any file into a PNG and back. I wrote it mainly for imageboard use so anons can easily share arbitrary files without leaving the thread they're on... For the longest time the program was CLI only, but yesterday I released a GUI version of it using SDL2 and it looks quite /retro/. It was mostly unintentional though. Since the program is a very basic converter I wanted something simple for the GUI, just some text and a couple of buttons. I figured there's no need to depend on a full blown GUI library (Qt/GTK and friends), I can just open a window and draw the text manually, SDL2 will do... But then I ran into the beast that is text rendering and TTF fonts and decided that that would be too complex, so I resorted to good old bitmap fonts but scaled up to fit 21st century screens. The result was pic related. Someone told me it looks like a C64 program!
>>2671 Looks cool anon, I thought it was a TempleOS program for a moment there.
>>2671 I think the Tk toolkit might be worth looking into, it's supposed to be on the minimal side and maintain a native look.
>>2700 I looked into Tk and it's very lightweight indeed, however it's too closely married to Tcl making it painful to use with other languages. I programmed octaPNG in C, and while searches reveal that there are ways to use Tk from C, all the projects allowing this are either deprecated or too convoluted... After too many fruitless searches I just gave up on Tk completely. >>2675 Honored to hear that!

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