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Y2K was 20 years ago Fellow Time Traveler 12/31/2019 (Tue) 17:16:06 No.258
With a new decade upon us and the 2000's being officially "retro" in the eyes of mainstream pop culture, I'm wondering what 2000's nostalgia will be like in the 2020's? 80's nostalgia got big in the 2000's and is still going strong with all that weird "vaporwave" art that appeared in the early 2010's and stuff like Stranger Things in the late 2010's. More relevant to this board, 1990's nostalgia first became a big thing this decade but it was more prominent on the internet than TV or movies. Now we're seeing 2000's nostalgia start to take root in the very late 2010's. I've noticed a lot of Zoomers posting 2000's nostalgia compilations on YouTube in 2018-2019 and it kind of reminds me of the first big wave of 90's nostalgia that got big online in 2010-2012 or so. Hell, /retro/ itself is simply a newer version of /y2k/ over on the old board, but expanded to also include the 90's. I'm wondering if we'll see more 2000's nostalgia and whether or not the media will start pandering to it. Pic unrelated
I've been seeing the start of it. Earlier this year I saw the trailer for some game, I don't know what kind of game it was (I think a puzzle game or a Breakout/Arkanoid clone) but one of the big gimmicks was that it had a Y2K aesthetic. Fonts, color scheme, artstyle, etc. were all reminiscent of interfaces and ads from the early 00s. Later in the 20s, I expect that we'll see more of this sort of thing, maybe a Stranger Things-esque TV show. Maybe we'll even see a resurgence of fashion trends like emo and skaters. But expect whatever nostalgia pandering we get to be shallow like in previous decades. 90s pandering was mainly "dude member dunkaroos and cartoon network and the ps1?" even though there was much to be said about the spirit of the times. Like how it was the last decade before the internet permeated everything, before 9/11, the Patriot Act, terrorism this and that, etc. Individual people may have talked about it, but you'll never hear a word about the spirit of the times from the media. Unless it's to get a punch in on someone politically. 00s nostalgia will be similar. Apple will probably make a throwback iPhone that looks like their first iPod. 2021 will be Windows XP's 20th anniversary, so MS might make a dumb color scheme or something that makes Win10 look like XP. And then they'll disable it a month later. Food companies will bring back some of the stuff we slurped and munched on for a short while. But you'll never hear a word from them about the wild west days of the internet, the pre-smartphone era, how 90% of the internet wasn't run by a handful of corporations, and ESPECIALLY how everyone and their mother wasn't whining about political bullshit 24/7. Hell, even now you get ridiculed for wanting that last one back, they call you a nazi or an incel or whatever this month's boogeyman word is.
>>259 Sad, but likely true. I just hope to all that is holy that in the 2020's we see a backlash against the woke, pretentious, and painfully safe "Current Year" SJW mentality of the 2010's. I mean, these things do run in cycles with each decade's culture often having a backlash against the previous one's. We went from disco and hippies in the 70's to hair metal and Reagan in the 80's, and went from the dark and edgy fare of the 90's and 2000's to the woke hipster bullshit of the 2010's. Maybe if we're lucky, we'll see the "everything is political" SJW zeitgeist of today die out as the 2020's goes along. Missing file >>1346
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>>259 >00s nostalgia will be similar. Apple will probably make a throwback iPhone that looks like their first iPod. Motorola is already doing something similar with the new Razr.
>>258 >I'm wondering what 2000's nostalgia will be like in the 2020's? I don't think there's that big of a gap between the 90s and the 00s, culturally speaking. Around the time the iPhone was released in 2007, the 00s started moving culturally to the 2010s, where everyone and their dog was online. The 2000s were pretty much nothing more than a bridge between the 90s and 10s. Missing file >>1347
Edited last time by GOAT on 06/08/2021 (Tue) 03:04:15.
>I'm wondering what 2000's nostalgia will be like in the 2020's? The usual; cartoons/movies/games from that era get the remake/reboot treatment and are turned into dumbed down pozzed versions of their past selves. We might get HD remasters of old cartoons though which is nice. 80s and 90s revival culture couldn't die any sooner, those decades got bastardized enough already. >>259 >you'll never hear a word about the spirit of the times from the media Touché, but thankfully we have underground communities talking about that spirit. This board for example, the Y2K institute, the users on Neocities...etc. There are probably also some BBSes and IRC rooms but I haven't used those for years.
>>262 To an extent, you are right, but I'd say there is a more palpable difference between the 90's and the 2000's, at least after 9/11. Honestly, when most people these days think of the 2000's, it's the era that's after 9/11 but before the iPhone/Great Recession. 2007-2012 was its own weird "in-between" time after the 90's and 2000's but before the "Current Year" 2010's, which largely started after the 2011-2012 Occupy protests and Obama's reelection in 2012. The late 2000's/early 2010's was a true transition era between the culture of the 1990's and 2000's and the current era, with the rise of smartphones, social media, and the 2008 Recession being the big game-changers.
>>262 I disagree overall but there's some obvious truth in the bridge statement. 9/11 and the "Web 2.0" did a job on the decade but there was a palpable and clear distinction between the 90's and the Obama years, with its own aesthetic and music. It's like the very early 90's with the "radical" and "cool" geometric patterns, saturated colors and rad technological stuff all around, an exaggerated but much more juvenile version of the 80's. That era is its own distinction from the latter, grungier 90's but it can catalogued and considered part of it. The late-90's and very early 00's have that same isolated distinction (the Y2K years) and in my opinion that's a very valid and distinctive identity for the 00's. Not to mention things from that era are unique to it like the constant quality in videogames, ultra-violence and general cinema experimentation and a huge influx in electronic music from all its sub-genres. Now regarding >>258, it's a constant that a decade has a go trying to revisited a past decade, the rule says 30 years. The 70's were its own monster but many things were reminiscent of WWII (mostly due to 'Nam going on), the 80's had a lot of its campy vibe from 50's americana, the 90's had many aspects, including pop and rock, taking notes from 60's psychedelia and ye-ye mania, 00's was an anomaly but 70's stuff was somewhat present in certain niches like neo-disco and funk (which did not last), we all saw the influx of neo-80's faggotry that happened the past decade so no need to mention it. The reason i believe is mature creators and the acquisitive userbase (young adults, 30 to 50) going at their nostalgia and trying to relieve it either by consuming or re-adapting it. Missing file >>1348
Edited last time by GOAT on 06/08/2021 (Tue) 03:05:22.
>>259 >But you'll never hear a word from them about the wild west days of the internet, the pre-smartphone era, how 90% of the internet wasn't run by a handful of corporations, and ESPECIALLY how everyone and their mother wasn't whining about political bullshit 24/7. Now that you mention it, a big part of 90's culture in popular media at some point was the conspiracy theorists and militia men. X-Files and the whole new age/area 51/grey alien/black helicopters/chupacabra phenomena in black pages with green fonts, then Waco Siege and the Murrah Building bombing which led to people questioning the government a lot, this sentiment transpired in a lot of mainstream products and documentaries which culminated in 9/11 being seen as a false flag by anyone except the United States government. There's much more but i think the point was made, i can't wait to see if all that stuff is reminded again in the current climate or if it's going to be caricaturized/satirized again. Missing file >>1349
Edited last time by GOAT on 06/08/2021 (Tue) 03:06:28.
>>267 >There's much more but i think the point was made, i can't wait to see if all that stuff is reminded again in the current climate or if it's going to be caricaturized/satirized again. Honestly, it depends on whether or not we see a major backlash against the 2010's SJW culture in the early-to-mid 2020's. If SJW culture winds up dying out in the 2020's like disco and hippies did when the 1970's gave way to the 1980's or like how the Religious Right burned itself out a few years into the 2000's (the early Bush years were like a "last hurrah" for them) then we could probably see a genuine appreciation for the late 90's and 2000's in the regular media, as opposed to shallow caricatures and cheap nostalgia pandering It's anyone guess how the 2020's will turn out after the election is over and done with, and how that will affect the culture's perspective on the 1990's and 2000's Missing file >>1350
Edited last time by GOAT on 06/08/2021 (Tue) 03:07:14.
>>268 >we could probably see a genuine appreciation for the late 90's and 2000's in the regular media, as opposed to shallow caricatures and cheap nostalgia pandering I'm not very optimistic about that given how much a lot of that neo-'80s stuff that's been so popular in recent years turned out. You have all these teenagers who think anything with subtractive synthesizer sounds, drum machines, and neon imagery is "so 80's xDD," even when it completely fails to capture the spirit of the decade (not to say that the music itself is necessarily bad). I can understand if someone is just trying to use certain aspects of the '80s as a starting point and taking things in a different, more modern direction (even if it's not necessarily my cup of tea), but there are a lot of people who can't differentiate between a revisionist Flanderization of a certain period and what the real thing was actually like. Having said that, I think '90s revivalism could be really interesting. As much as I love analog synthesizers, I think the current craze over them is really overblown and would really like to hear people making original music with cheesy ROMplers again. Far Side Virtual is kind of similar to that idea, but it seems that James Ferraro was trying to make a critique of consumerism more than trying to focus on the wondrous feeling of possibilities that the new technologies of the '90s seemed to inspire. Missing file >>1352
Edited last time by GOAT on 06/08/2021 (Tue) 03:09:53.
>>284 >Having said that, I think '90s revivalism could be really interesting. As much as I love analog synthesizers, I think the current craze over them is really overblown and would really like to hear people making original music with cheesy ROMplers again. I just want decent electronic dance music again. The 90s had by far some of the most experimental music even by today's standards, that still managed to be danceable and exciting. Everything nowadays sounds too minimal and washed out, even to a degree including the 80s revival music. >Far Side Virtual I thought that was more of a late 00s / early 10s record? Celebrating modern technology while also critiquing or even outright mocking it for being too controlling of human life. Just my 2 cents on it anyway... Do you listen to vaporwave?
>>287 >I just want decent electronic dance music again. The 90s had by far some of the most experimental music even by today's standards, that still managed to be danceable and exciting. Everything nowadays sounds too minimal and washed out, even to a degree including the 80s revival music. Most of the stuff made past the '90s feels extremely sterile or like inferior retreads of older styles to me. Music doesn't have to be original to be good, but it should at least bring something of merit to the table to be able to compete with what's come before it. Even with the problems I have with a lot of it, the '80s revival/memewave music is some of the only music coming out nowadays I've heard that I even like. Even then I'm really just into the more melodic-leaning music rather than the more aggressive stuff like Perturbator and Carpenter Brut. I remember the former coming to 8chan's /mu/ for a Q&A, though, and he seemed like a nice enough guy even if I'm not really a fan of his. >I thought that was more of a late 00s / early 10s record? Celebrating modern technology while also critiquing or even outright mocking it for being too controlling of human life. Just my 2 cents on it anyway... It was, but it evokes a '90s background music/corporate muzak feeling despite being more of a message about technology today. I think I even heard the Roland JV-1080 steel guitar preset on "Dubai Dream Tone." That whole track makes me think of an old Microsoft commercial or something. >Do you listen to vaporwave? Not really. As much as I like the kind of aesthetic it goes for, I dislike music that relies that heavily on re-appropriating samples. I'd rather just listen to the stuff it's drawing from, like Dancing Fantasy. Missing file >>1353
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If you haven't already had a gander, The Register has been publicizing actual Y2K stories and sequels to BOFH for decades now. Tales of incompetence never grow old.
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