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living life as /retro/ as possible Fellow Time Traveler 09/22/2021 (Wed) 03:47:35 No.1985
Anyone else here /retro/maxxing? I've realized there is no point in denying myself happiness and gigacoziness and I may as well go all in on my retro obsessions even if it's a bit weird. I could list a bunch of things I'm doing but I'll start with just a couple here >film photography I have never bought a digital camera and I have stopped being a NEET lately. I have a small comfy job so I have some money and I buy rolls of film on occasion and I carry a late '90s point and shoot camera with me almost everywhere I go. It's fun and super comfy. I also started developing black and white film myself, at home. >computer I have set up my windows machine to look like windows 98 (not completely accurate but I've changed over the icons and use a classic theme, etc. And on my linux machine I have set it up to look like some versions of UNIX from the late 80s to early 90s. And for my browser I use Pale Moon and I have it set to look like Netscape. >music I go to the record store sometimes and browse around and I have a collection of tapes, CDs, and records which I listen to. I have a lot of fun fixing cassette decks too. I could go on but what have you guys been doing? You ARE living it, aren't you anons??
>>1985 >I have never bought a digital camera and I have stopped being a NEET lately. I have a small comfy job so I have some money and I buy rolls of film on occasion and I carry a late '90s point and shoot camera with me almost everywhere I go. It's fun and super comfy. I also started developing black and white film myself, at home. I used to do toy camera photography and would never go back to digital after that. It took some tinkering to get digital pictures to look nice by my standards, while film photography looks nice straight out of the camera. >I could go on but what have you guys been doing? You ARE living it, aren't you anons?? I've been buying some vintage guitar pedals and am just about finished buying old synthesizers. I spend more time funposting and eying up musical equipment than actually making music, but I'd like to get this stuff while I can.
>>1986 retro digits checked. I wish I could time travel to 1986 right now. But yes, film just looks good, and it also feels good. So I don't plan to stop. >I spend more time funposting and eying up musical equipment than actually making music, but I'd like to get this stuff while I can. I think a lot of people do this, haha. It sounds very cool, what kind of synths are you buying? I have always wanted to make music but I never could use those computer programs. I think if I had the money I'd like to get a drum machine and a dx7 or something. The CMI fairlight seems very cool as well, if I recall correctly Jan Hammer used it for his work on Miami Vice. But I may be wrong. I hope you can get around to making some neat music, though, it would be pretty awesome. I have picked up the saxophone, myself. I'm working on playing various pieces from the 80s which were heavy on the saxophone.
>>1987 >I wish I could time travel to 1986 right now. It would be great. I'd love to visit Southern California back then. >I think a lot of people do this, haha. It sounds very cool, what kind of synths are you buying? I saved a ton of money and got the Prophet-10 when it came out and should be getting a TX81Z pretty soon to put the finishing touches on my FM synth collection. Here's an FB-01 test I did a while back ago: https://vocaroo.com/1ezelnNhrTxb There's too much delay and stuff, but it really doesn't matter. I just wanted to see how the timbres would work together, and I was happy with it. I only paid around $60 for it, so it's probably the best value I've ever gotten out of a synth. I have a TX802, but these four-operator sounds have a certain smoothness to them that the DX7 and its variants lack. I still plan on finishing a DX7 sound bank I've been working on though. It tends to have more of a cold, glassy feeling to it that is useful in its own ways. >I have always wanted to make music but I never could use those computer programs. I think if I had the money I'd like to get a drum machine and a dx7 or something. The CMI fairlight seems very cool as well, if I recall correctly Jan Hammer used it for his work on Miami Vice. But I may be wrong. Have you tried using Dexed? It's a free VST that's pretty close in sound to a real DX7. You can also find Fairlight CMI samples floating around, although that's obviously not the same as using the real hardware. But those old samples still have more character than contemporary equivalents. >I have picked up the saxophone, myself. I'm working on playing various pieces from the 80s which were heavy on the saxophone. Nice. I used to dislike the saxophone, but it's really grown on me over the years.
>>1988 >Here's an FB-01 test I did a while back ago: https://vocaroo.com/1ezelnNhrTxb Jesus. That sounds magical. It sounds like something from a scifi movie or something. How do you work with a synth like that? >Have you tried using Dexed? It's a free VST that's pretty close in sound to a real DX7. You can also find Fairlight CMI samples floating around, although that's obviously not the same as using the real hardware. But those old samples still have more character than contemporary equivalents. I actually tried Dexed once but I never really figured out how to actually use it to record music, like have various instruments and tracks. You need some sort of other program to do that, right? I remember downloading Dexed once a couple years ago and I don't think I really did anything with it. I've tried some of these digital audio workstations and I never could wrap my head around them. Well, I could, but it looks like it just takes so much effort. I just want something that I can choose the instrument (or synth settings), play the notes, and have that as a track or something. I'm not really sure how it's supposed to work. I think I'd have an easier time with real hardware and just recording to one of those 4 track cassette recorders like those Tascam units.
I'm still stuck in the 2000s, but it's easy to retromax when you are a poorfag hikki. >play my Xbox and PS2 on a CRT >play my 360 on a basic ass LED TV >had the same Windows 7 PC since the 2000s >used an ancient flip phone until it died last year Everything modern seems like soulless shit so I don't mind it.
>>1992 based. What kind of CRT do you have? I also run windows 7 on a thinkpad from ~2013. To me this feels like a new computer anyway although I guess it's almost a decade old now. It does everything I need, though. My desktop computer dual boots windows 7 and Linux. I was forced into using a botnet phone, I've had the same one for almost 6 years now and I don't usually take it places when I go out. I wish pay phones were more prevalent, but what can you do, right? When I get a new phone I'm pretty sure I'll be getting a flip phone or a more simple bar phone. >Everything modern seems like soulless shit so I don't mind it. Couldn't agree with you more
Getting my Win2K machine set up with a bunch of copies of old vidya, either complete in-box, burned to discs, or GOG installers that I just SMB'd from my main rig. Still has my first GPU from 2003 (Radeon 9600 Pro) however sometimes when I boot it up there are pinstripes down the screen and they only go away after a restart. Is there any way I can squeeze more life out of this 18 year old card?
>>1994 I'm not really familiar with these kinds of issues but if this happened to me I would first take out the card and clean off any dust, then spray the contacts and the slot with contact cleaner, and potentially use new thermal paste and tighten the heatsink (if any) down more. But other than that I wouldn't really know. maybe someone else here knows?
>>1989 >Jesus. That sounds magical. It sounds like something from a scifi movie or something. How do you work with a synth like that? Vintage digital synths are capable of really nice sounds, but people overlook them because they lack "analog warmth" and can sound cheesy. I don't think the latter is such a bad trait, provided it's a good kind of cheese. I use Patchbase on an old iPad to make and modify sounds and have it hooked up to my computer with an audio interface. I use FL Studio for MIDI output, recording, and effects. >I actually tried Dexed once but I never really figured out how to actually use it to record music, like have various instruments and tracks. You need some sort of other program to do that, right? I remember downloading Dexed once a couple years ago and I don't think I really did anything with it. Yeah, you need some kind of DAW to record with it. FL Studio I found pretty easy to learn, but it was a gradual process. When I was first learning how to make music, I began by clicking rhythms on the step sequencer. Then I realized I need actual chords and melodies and learned how to use the piano roll. Having MIDI files to examine helped me figure out what I was doing. Then I learned how to use effects, which wasn't hard at all. It did take a while to learn not to drown the mix with them though. Then came mixing and EQing, which I'm still not that good at. I usually don't make it that far. If you're reasonably good at keyboard playing, you could probably skip a lot of the clicking around with the piano roll if you've got a MIDI controller. >I think I'd have an easier time with real hardware and just recording to one of those 4 track cassette recorders like those Tascam units. I have one sitting in my closet that I've never used yet. I plan on using it for bouncing tracks out to for saturation and all the pleasant imperfections. I'd like to modify to a cheap tape deck for more warble at some point, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK-5uN2nHX0
Being anti-smartphone will put you back to the 2000s, so it becomes less of a choice. Everything is integrated into smartphones that used to be separate devices. -Watch -Digital music player -Digital camera -Digital camcorder -PC/Laptop for Internet Some of those devices are still in production, but the available selection has significantly narrowed. At the low-end, cameras have replaced the need for camcorders, but are still separate devices for high-end use. Being botnet aware, will also make certain older generation hardware more appealing, if you want an x86 processor. For Intel, it would be PIII Tualatin and P4 to Core2 Penryn, with no vPro capable chipset. All Intel CPU starting with Nehalem have Management Engine. Protected Processor Identification Number (PPIN) was later added to x86 CPUs starting with Intel's Ivy Bridge architecture and compatible Zen 2 AMD CPUs. That feature is similar to the Intel PIII Processor Serial Number (PSN), which was removed for Tualatin.
>>1993 A 30" Sony Trinitron. I couldn't believe my eyes the first time I tested it with an RGB cable, the picture is so sharp and the colors are incredible, I didn't remember CRTs could look this nice. I seriously don't understand this fucking obsession with 4K TVs and Blu-ray, my fucking Revenge of the Sith DVD looks so awesome that anything more just seems like an overkill for me.
>>2008 >A 30" Sony Trinitron. I couldn't believe my eyes the first time I tested it with an RGB cable, the picture is so sharp and the colors are incredible, I didn't remember CRTs could look this nice. I'd like to see a Trinitron in person, especially one that size. I have some CRTs, but I think thinks look nicer on the smallest one I have. Trinitrons are supposed to be the cream of the crop. >I seriously don't understand this fucking obsession with 4K TVs and Blu-ray, my fucking Revenge of the Sith DVD looks so awesome that anything more just seems like an overkill for me. I miss the days when watching a VHS tape on a CRT was good enough for me. HD doesn't really impress me anymore, so I might be going back to that point mentally. Too bad a lot of old movies released on VHS looked like garbage compared to the later DVD releases, when proper restorations were starting to become common.
>>2008 Yeah I'm jealous. I am hoping to pick up a CRT monitor from a shop nearby but I doubt anything as nice as a Trinitron. One day when I have the money I may plunk down a few hundred for a really nice CRT.
>>2000 relevant digits. Speaking of PIII I have a laptop with one and I just bought a charger cable for it at a nearby electronics swap meet. I'm going to load 98se on it and have some fun with it.
>>2009 I miss the VHS aesthetic but I know that's just pure nostalgia on my part. I still have some old tapes from the 90s and our VCR somewhere, but I'm too scared to try it out, I remember these fuckers loved eating tapes. >>2012 >I may plunk down a few hundred for a really nice CRT Don't be retarded. No one wants them anymore, people are giving them away for free or for like 10 dollars - that's how much I paid for this TV.
>>2017 a TV is going to be way different than a monitor. A CRT TV is going to have like what, 240 lines of resolution or something? I don't know exactly. A monitor is going to be pixel accurate, it's going to be able to go much higher than 60Hz, it'll have better colors. I had a 13" CRT TV that was great and I got it for a small amount of money too but it in no way compares to a proper monitor. It only had a composite input. 80 column text on it was already asking too much of it. I forget how many columns I used on it when I connected it to my computer but it was something small. Maybe 25 columns? Whatever it was it is very different from a monitor that can do 1600x1200 or above. I do know of a recycling shop nearby and I might be able to get a decent monitor for $10, probably something like 1024x768 at least, so I'll probably do that, but nevertheless one day if I am financially well off I wouldn't mind spending a lot of money on something really top-of-the line. Like an FW9000 or whatever. Or just something that can comfortably do at least 1600x1200 at 60Hz. I wouldn't mind spending a couple hundred on that. >>2017 >I miss the VHS aesthetic but I know that's just pure nostalgia on my part. Well, nothing wrong with that, right? I was thinking of using a camcorder with some sort of video capture card to use as a webcam if I ever need to use a webcam. Probably something that uses S-VHS.
>>1985 >And on my linux machine I have set it up to look like some versions of UNIX from the late 80s to early 90s. I'm guessing CDE? Been meaning to retromax my linux install for a while now but don't know what "look" to go for. Some window managers that caught my eye are IceWM, WindowMaker, and twm although it looks way too primitive...
>>2017 >I may plunk down a few hundred for a really nice CRT <Don't be retarded. No one wants them anymore, people are giving them away for free or for like 10 dollars - that's how much I paid for this TV. That's also what I've seen. You're either getting one for free, because someone doesn't want to pay the disposal fee, or you're buying it from a shop that's charging what amounts to a storage fee. Eventually, when it dies, you'll end up paying the disposal fee on your free one, if you can not fix it. If you're looking for a specific make or model, you most certainly will pay. There were some good performance CRTs, but most people were happy to see them go. They used more energy, radiated waste heat, and were bulky/heavy (a pain to move around). Being in a small room with a nice, hi-res CRT and P4 powerhaus required a good room cooling setup. In the winter is wasn't bad, but holy shit, summer was not fun.
>>2019 it's not an exact clone of anything. I'd tried CDE, or at least a port of CDE, on my machine, but it felt clunky. This was some time ago so I may not remember correctly but a lot of the older interfaces I tried, including a port of the IRIX desktop environment, seem to be pretty mouse-heavy. A lot of point and click to launch things which I don't like. Maybe I just didn't know how to use or configure them properly. Even on Windows, I like to launch a program by hitting the Windows key which opens up the Start menu, then typing the first few letters of the program and hitting return. I have a couple taskbar icons for my email client and my main web browser but everything else is launched from the start menu. For example, if I want to launch VirtualBox, I hit the Windows key, type "virt" and hit enter. For Seamonkey: Win + "seam" + return For DOSBox: Win + "dosb" + return So anyway that's why I didn't settle on some of the other UNIX desktop environments. I can't remember which other one I tried. I also don't like Windowmaker and some of the very barebones window managers, either. They also feel inefficient. I use XFCE. All I've done is change icon packs--you can find icons packs with some digging that'll replicate IRIX, NeXTStep, etc.I changed theming options and installed ports of old UNIX programs. (Such as fsv and xosview). The icon theme I had last I checked was called "Iris", the window manager theme is cdetheme_solaris, and the GTK theme was something called belle pintos grande which I believe might translate to something obscene in Spanish, but that's what I'm using. I remember it took a bit of work to find the specific themes and icons but basically it lets me make XFCE, which I find very usable, look the way I want it to look.
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>>2018 >one day if I am financially well off I wouldn't mind spending a lot of money on something really top-of-the line I wonder how much Carmack's full HD CRT monitor would cost
>>2024 I don't even know where I'd find one, certainly not on eBay, there's nothing there. The only Sony FW900 on eBay is priced at $4500 which I don't think I'd ever spend on a monitor, though.
>>2023 I use XFCE too, very comfy. My only gripe with it is its "quirks" that get in the way of customization, such as fixed icon size/spacing in some areas, uneven scaling of elements...etc. >a port of the IRIX desktop environment Do you recall what it was called? I want to see how that looks like. >fsv I always wondered what that was called! How well does it manage large folders with thousands of items? >>2024 That is one MASSIVE monitor.
>>2032 IRIX desktop was 4dwm. >fsv it doesn't really work well as a file manager, obviously. It's really just a novelty/showoff item that SGI had developed to show off their hardware.
>>2034 >>2032 Here is what it currently looks like. Still in progress.
>>2035 Looks pretty pleasant, although I'm not an XFCE guy.
>>2035 Looks good so far, albeit a little too similar to Windows 9x but that's probably intentional.
I kinda do this. Lots of things of today simply suck, but there are newer things that are worth using too. It's not about /retro/maxxing as much as it's about just knowing that newer isn't better. >anime 70s/80s/90s stuff, but of course I get the blu-ray remaster if there's one. VHS image quality is simply inferior. >computer I run OpenBSD, mostly command line. OpenBSD feels a lot like an older Unix system and in the good parts. The command line is much more efficient than a GUI. It just isn't possible to browse the modern web with a command line browser though, so Firefox it is. On the other hand, of course I don't use debugging tools from the 80s, I've actually used DEBUG.EXE for instance (Microsoft's DOS debugger) and it was good for its time but sucks compared to modern GDB or LLDB. And I don't use a zogphone. It's simply a backwards computing device with clunky input, lower quality software, and more abusive hardware and OSes. >piracy I don't go to cuckchan /t/ (/t/orrent board) where people have since switched to posting MEGA links these days, I use torrents and torrent indexers like it's 2006, and I don't download stuff off of FTP sites like it's 1994. >music Mostly stuff from the 90s and earlier. Of course I don't get vinyls because CD is just better. Well, CDs are plenty /retro/ since they're from 1982, but what's important is that CD perfectly stores the entire human hearing range. Though modern web releases are fine too, any issues with them are a matter of ignorance and not of technological or artistic regress.
>>2038 >but of course I get the blu-ray remaster if there's one. VHS image quality is simply inferior Depends, i said the same about movies but VHS/DVD sometimes uses the original framing of 4:3 while the BluRay remasters cut the image to fit a 16:9 and in the process destroy the original framing the director or artists wanted. Some publishers and remaster editors are retarded or very unscrupulous and do so anyways. Anime stuff from the 80's are usually a victim of this but some obscure stuff from the 90's also get butchered and even its colours or contrast levels change, giving them a contemporary cold look but without being Y2K rather than the original vibrant and more grounded 90's look. Here's an example from a late 90's action movie, i had to re-download many movies again when i realized i was getting short-changed. Framerates sometimes also change with added motion blur and some movies get anti-seizure measures that bust extensive lighting set-ups too.
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>>1985 This is an interesting topic. I don't consider my dual Gallatin 4M box to be retro, but it's steadily getting into that category as more applications die without AVX... or whatever spyware shit Microsoft, Mozilla, Google, etc. are selling these days. At this point, using an older system is like a goddamn vacation. I've even made it into an annual tradition: spend a few weeks every year unplugged and developing on an old box. One year, it was a calculator on WfW 3.11 with a DX2/66. The next it was the dual P3-450 doing DX8 development to make a shitty space harrier clone. After that, SSE and SSE2 optimization on a willy P4 @ 1.4GHz. Now it's writing shitty 2d games on the aforementioned dual gallatin box. We're in a situation now where new software and systems are so terrible that they aren't even worth using by any standard prior to the 2010s, but older systems are increasingly rare past reddit gaming in the wild. A lot of useful knowledge is being lost every day to the tumult of the internet, and only those rare few with a lot of time and autism on their hands can really relearn it. It's a shame. A damn shame.
Other anon here. >>2039 >Depends, i said the same about movies but VHS/DVD sometimes uses the original framing of 4:3 while the BluRay remasters cut the image to fit a 16:9 and in the process destroy the original framing the director or artists wanted. True that. I never had a problem with 4:3 source aspect ratio on a 16:9 aspect ratio screen. I think 16:10 ar is even better, for older sources imho (bigger 4:3 frame, decent 16:9 frame, still okay with 21:9 cinemascope). True movie ars are really not bad to watch in 16:9/10 ar on a device. Just keep all the content (the whole pic), no cut, for what it's worth. On another note: I have seen they now sometimes broadcast old 4:3 source material fit into 16:9 frames, means on a 4:3 ar device you got black borders all around (e.g. old video beamer). And they made it so that you cannot switch between frame sizes/aspect ratios. Usually there is a button to switch on the remote. >They put a 4:3 frame into a 16:9 frame, how stupid is that? Means those with 16:9 screens do not need to use the remote, those who could watch the broadcast in its full glory are getting buttslapped. Talk about moronic.
>>2036 >>2037 Thanks. I've tried other DEs and always came back to XFCE. xfeces, I call it jokingly, because it's got problems too, but I still like it. Oh, I forgot to mention that you should look up Maxx Desktop, which is supposed to be a modern port of 4dwm from IRIX. I tried it as well, but I found it to be a clunkier experience than XFCE, although it looked much better. It is very similar to Windows. All my Windows computers run on the classic interface and it's a setup that works very well for me, so even on UNIX-like systems i prefer that way of doing things. So my XFCE doesn't perfectly look like Solaris, or IRIX, but I tried to take some design elements and use them while keeping things the way I am used to. >>2038 I do like some newer things. I like 3d printers, I guess. I can't think of many new things that don't make the world worse, though.
>>2040 > A lot of useful knowledge is being lost every day to the tumult of the internet, and only those rare few with a lot of time and autism on their hands can really relearn it. I've run into this plenty. Present day programmers have no idea about bitwise operators, endianness (and writing endianness-independent code), two's complement, and packing many booleans into a single word. And they do write plenty of code that could benefit from understanding all that stuff which would be taught to any beginner a few decades ago. Also people who use strings for everything.
>>2045 Absolutely. I was very fortunate to have learned about digital logic before even starting a systems class. The professors were still competent enough to have what amounted to an exam in bitwise logic for their first assignment. At the time, it was nice to kick ass in that class, but in retrospect it's kind of disturbing. One interesting side effect of this process is that it shows very clearly just how fast old hardware actually is and how much we waste for applications that aren't all that much bigger or more impressive than what we were running 20 years ago.

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