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Computers Thread Fellow Time Traveler 08/21/2020 (Fri) 04:41:24 No.803
Looks like none of the images in the catalog work. Let's get a fresh thread in here, focused on computers! I don't have pictures at the moment to share, but I got lucky today and picked up a nice big beige computer case. I'm assembling a new personal computer from parts that I got deals on, found in the junk heap, or that I was given by friends. So, I guess it's not really a /retro/ computer, but it will be in a /retro/ case, and I plan to get an adapter which will let me use a 3.5" floppy disk drive in there. The adapter plugs into the floppy pins, and presents a USB interface to the motherboard. That adapter is under $10 USD. In fact, I've seen an adapter card that will do the same but for 5.25" floppy disk drives. So, when I have more money, I should be able to have not only a 3.5" FDD, but a 5.25" FDD in my system, running alongside new solid state drives, Blu-Ray disc drives, and of course a few regular hard drives. It should be pretty fun. Again, no pictures yet but I will share with you guys when I can. For now I'll just post one from my collection. What have you guys been up to?
>>974 Mind you to share which chan archiver you use? If selfwritten, are you willing to share source + setup instructions?
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Posted this on zzz/v/ but i'll repost it here, I got my Win2K machine up and running and I am loving it. >AMD Athlon XP 2600+ >MSI KM4M-L >Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro >80GB WD Caviar HDD >40GB WD Caviar HDD >2x512MB DDR >Creative Audigy SoundBlaster 2 >WinFAST TV 2000 XP Tuner Vidya includes: >Rise of Nations >SimCity 4 >Far Cry >Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 >Deus Ex: Invisible War >Clue >Scrabble >Diablo >Diablo II + Lords of Destruction and a bunch of others that I'm forgetting. Either way it's running much smoother now that I've applied new thermal paste to the CPU and GPU (although I still named it Housefire). Also made sure to install all the extras that came on the CDs like XFire and GameSpy.
>>2021 Nice. How well does Rise of Nations run? I was playing it on a computer running XP at the time but don't remember the system specs.
>>2021 >zzz ewe! that site is fucking lame did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker
>>2022 I haven't gotten to it yet, but I assume it would run fine. Everything I've thrown at the Radeon has held up so far.
>>2025 >did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker What's wrong with that?
>>2025 >did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker Could be way worse, especially in the imageboard circles where it has been bad often. The problem are the mods and the users.
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>>2025 >did you know its run by a 40 year old postal worker so?
>>2027 >>2030 >postal worker I take it you've never interacted with one
>>815 Chrome was okay as long as it was brushed and not glossy. The case should be nondescript and not reflect light everywhere. Though reflecting light is still better than shining it everywhere like that RGB stuff of today.
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Have you ever performed cablegami?
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I was curious and looked up "what was the fastest 8086 clone?" I found this blog post: http://www.z80.eu/blog/index.php?entry=entry190310-150623 Apparently it was the 8086 in this NEC machine.
>>2069 I wish I had seen this 25 years ago.
>>2047 Black and matte silver have been mainstream since the mid 00s. Even new computers are black, silver, white or some combination of those shades. The colour tinted metallic ones are pretty unique, like the Sony Vaio, or HP used smokey translucent plastics. You do not normally see that anymore on desktops, but maybe on some laptops.
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>>2021 Hell yeah! Excellent choice with Win2k and an Athlon. They make for fantastic retro development workstations and gaming machines. I just cycled from an OC'd Pentium MMX @ 300MHz to a K6-III 450 to an underclocked tbird at 600MHz before discovering that sandisk CF cards don't work well with udma on older boards. >although I still named it Housefire Athlons run hot regardless of your cooling. Since that rig is overkill for most of your games, you might want to try underclocking/undervolting the CPU a bit. The tbird I'm using is rated at 1200MHz@1.75v, but it runs over 20C cooler at 600/1.55v.
>>878 /retro/ /tech/fag reporting in. >>882 >Oh fuck, I also wanna get into it. Here are some useful resources if you're still interested: http://textfiles.com/programming/dostech.pro ^ comprehensive set of interrupt lists, memory maps, and technical documentation for DOS and the PC. http://textfiles.com/programming/CARDS/8088 ^ quick instruction set reference card. Useful for some operations, though complex instructions like mul, div, stos/cmps/movs/lods, etc. aren't covered very well. http://textfiles.com/programming/ibmbios.txt ^ covers IBM BIOS interrupt handlers. http://textfiles.com/programming/ports.lst ^ common I/O ports and addresses. Use unless contradicted by dostech.pro http://bitsavers.org/components/intel/8086/9800722-03_The_8086_Family_Users_Manual_Oct79.pdf ^ what it says on the tin. https://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/www.artofasm.com/DOS/AoADosIndex.html ^ online archive of the Art of Assembly Language Programming. You can find PDFs of the book as well. >>888 If you don't want to pirate, then jwasm is available on freedos. It's masm/tasm compatible and includes newer masm features like high level conditional macros and invoke statements. You can also use macro packages like nasmx, though masm compatible assembler is more or less the gold standard for IBM compatibles. It might be helpful to make a retro development thread. Thoughts?
>>2202 >It might be helpful to make a retro development thread. Thoughts? Sure, but I probably won't be of much use because all the programming I do is in C and for the modern unices. BTW, I ended up dropping Peter Norton's book. It feels like he gave up in the last few chapters: they're a lot of copypasting with little to no explanation. The parts before that were some of the best programming lessons I've had though.
>>2204 >It feels like he gave up in the last few chapters: they're a lot of copypasting with little to no explanation. That's a shame! Was there anything he missed or was it to the point where the topics didn't really need to be included anymore? >all the programming I do is in C and for the modern unices For the most part, same here, buuuut the portability that C offers isn't exclusive to the present or future. I recently wrote a really shitty terminal snake game (which was itself sort of a port of a DOS assembly implementation) on a PPC mac running tiger. It was then possible to get it running on my modern linux box with IIRC two or three small changes that didn't break back-portability to the mac. More complex graphical applications would definitely be harder, but there are widget libraries like XForms that have been stable for decades now.
Tried to retro-theme. I'm happy with it.
>>2208 >That's a shame! Was there anything he missed or was it to the point where the topics didn't really need to be included anymore? The interface was ready and the program was reading from a hardcoded disk sector, what was left were the menus to let the user pick which sector to read and the screen editor for editing those sectors before writing them back.
>>2213 Oh god, UI is always a bitch when you can't just fall back on some pretty defaults and widget libraries. >>2209 Looking good! The title bar text is fantastic.
>>2031 kek, the ones at my local office are literally like Newman. they're all extremely disgruntled and do a terrible job. The other day I went in around 11am and I hear the fat bastard behind the counter mumbling about how he wishes the day would be over already, before lunch even started. And a couple weeks ago this postal worker came blaring some typical junk on a speaker he was carrying (take a guess what this guy looked like), so I reported it to the USPS and the next time I saw him, he was wearing earbuds.
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>>878 Gotta love Peter "poosy deestroyer" Norton
>>2254 Imagine the cost of the computer they're using. It feels strange to see 3D CGI when the average computer from that time barely had 2D and mainly used text mode for everything.
I was searching for a clear trackball mouse and found a good thread. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pre-and-post-imac-g3-uses-of-translucent-plastics.2308014/
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>Alpha Architecture, lecture by Richard L. Sites and Dirk Meyer https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=klg1FtHADso Excellent lecture. Makes a lot of correct predictions of the future and explains some good goddamn design.
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I have been considering semi-seriously getting an SGI Indigo or Onyx to aid in making 3D models that are true to the Y2K aesthetic. Because these machines are MIPS they can't really be emulated, as well as their proprietary OS (some people have booted IRIX in Qemu but it's completely unusable). They're also insanely priced because of scalpers and the retro community, so each machine could cost $500+ at a minimum, and that's for ones in a beat-up state. People are even selling the mouse it came with for $100. Would something like this even be worth it? Or should I just get an old version of Blender instead?
>>2510 >Would something like this even be worth it? It would be a cool piece of computing history but probably not worth it just to model /retro/ stuff. >Or should I just get an old version of Blender instead? You don't even need an old version, the 2 main parts of retro CG are technique and rendering. For instance you can do CSG with primitives just fine and the POVRay 3 addon just needs to be enabled in the settings. If you wanted something less advanced than Blender then there's always Wings 3D (which is readily packaged in various distros).
>>2511 >If you wanted something less advanced than Blender then there's always Wings 3D (which is readily packaged in various distros). Not that guy, but that seems relevant to my interests now that I've looked it up. It's got POV-Ray support and everything.
>>2510 I'd recommend not doing that yet and instead first trying something like 3D Studio (not MAX, get it on winworld or vetusware) for DOS or Lightwave for the Amiga line of computers, to see if that fits your needs.
>>2510 If you want one, you had better act quickly. They've entered the bad part of the bathtub curve. You're probably aware of Nekochan. You should consider using Izware Nendo which Wings 3D was inspired by.
>>1077 What a fascinating article! It's true: every programmer should learn that table. I'll reproduce it here: Hexadecimal-Binary-Decimal ¦ Digit Conversion ¦ hex binary decimal o 0000 0 1 0001 1 2 0010 2 3 0011 3 4 0100 4 5 0101 5 6 0110 6 7 0111 7 8 1000 8 9 1001 9 A 1010 10 B 1011 11 C 1100 12 D 1101 13 E 1110 14 F 1111 15
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I got an early 2000's Dell laptop, the Latitude D400 running Void Linux but I plan to try Haiku OS on it. Haiku OS as a really retro feel and I think it will fit that bad boy very well... Will dig in it soon as I haven't much free time right now. I can't wait.
>>2583 The icons definitely do have a 2000s feel to them.
>>2583 Looks fun. The interface graphics remind me of a cross between Mac OS 7 and the classic Windows look.
>>2099 I love that version of Kings Quest. The graphics are much better than the original, but not ostentatious.
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>>2583 My bad, it's a Latitude D610 (I wasn't at home when writting this). Just finished the install and updating packages right now, it's pretty fast compared to Void Linux on this old laptop. First impression : it's fast, lightweight, comfy and pleasantly /retro/. I'm impatient to dig more in it. Will try to rice it up a little (without altering the retrostyle), tweaks some things and learn the basic features. Just rebooting after update, it's daaaaaaamn fast ! Web browser is fast to. On Void I used Falkon (a lightweight KDE browser) and it was slow and tend to crash. I'm happy, like a kid with a new toy discovering a new OS and new things to learn. And most of all a friendly OS that I can use on my old computer.
>>2591 I've ported programs to Haiku. It has its original C++ API, but also, it has a C POSIX programming interface with a few extensions that are common in the free world. It's easy to write programs for it as if it was any Unix because it is one as far as the C programmer is concerned.
>>2597 Interesting, I was a bit affraid the lack of softwares (some anon told me there are not as much as in Void Linux) but the default repository is well supplied. At least enough to fulfill my needs for this old laptop. I started to read some docs about programming for Haiku and I think if there was more dev at work, it would be a serious OS competing Linux disros. Also, I may not be accustomed to it but the window management is not very instinctive. I tried to tweak it to dark mode but I'm not totally satisfied with some details, after a read on the forum, I think I will try to build my own theme from source. Hehe, more things to play with ;)
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>>2599 As I read things here and there, just stumble on Serenity OS : ''A graphical Unix-like operating system for desktop computers! SerenityOS is a love letter to '90s user interfaces with a custom Unix-like core. It flatters with sincerity by stealing beautiful ideas from various other systems. Roughly speaking, the goal is a marriage between the aesthetic of late-1990s productivity software and the power-user accessibility of late-2000s *nix.'' Does any of you use or know it ?
>>2600 >Does any of you use or know it ? I build it from time to time to try it out. The UI used to have some charm, like the little arrows on the scroll bars, etc. but with recent changes it's nothing more than an unstable Windows 2000 clone. The "Unix-like core" or base OS isn't very interesting and most would be better served by a Linux or BSD. I don't understand why they're rolling a custom kernel for this.
>>2601 >I build it from time to time Could you upload an ISO? I want to try this.
>>2602 It builds onto disk image and auto runs itself in QEMU. No ISO.
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These past few months I've been working on a little program called octaPNG, it basically converts any file into a PNG and back. I wrote it mainly for imageboard use so anons can easily share arbitrary files without leaving the thread they're on... For the longest time the program was CLI only, but yesterday I released a GUI version of it using SDL2 and it looks quite /retro/. It was mostly unintentional though. Since the program is a very basic converter I wanted something simple for the GUI, just some text and a couple of buttons. I figured there's no need to depend on a full blown GUI library (Qt/GTK and friends), I can just open a window and draw the text manually, SDL2 will do... But then I ran into the beast that is text rendering and TTF fonts and decided that that would be too complex, so I resorted to good old bitmap fonts but scaled up to fit 21st century screens. The result was pic related. Someone told me it looks like a C64 program!
>>2671 Looks cool anon, I thought it was a TempleOS program for a moment there.
>>2671 I think the Tk toolkit might be worth looking into, it's supposed to be on the minimal side and maintain a native look.
>>2700 I looked into Tk and it's very lightweight indeed, however it's too closely married to Tcl making it painful to use with other languages. I programmed octaPNG in C, and while searches reveal that there are ways to use Tk from C, all the projects allowing this are either deprecated or too convoluted... After too many fruitless searches I just gave up on Tk completely. >>2675 Honored to hear that!

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