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Web 1.0 and Web 1.5 Nostalgia General Fellow Time Traveler 09/09/2019 (Mon) 01:52:13 No.24
So, what are some of your favorite memories of the old internet? Can be websites, memes, events or any other aspect of the days of Web 1.0 and 1.5 For a quick reference, here's what I would define as Web 1.0 and Web 1.5 >Web 1.0: Usenet, Geocities and Angelfire, AOL (1991-2001) >Web 1.5: Early YouTube, ED, 4chan in its "wild west" days, MySpace, YTMND, Newgrounds and the peak years of dA and Fanfiction.net (2001-2008) You also had cross-generation stuff like GameFAQs and IMDB which are still around today, although sadly IMDB's infamous message boards are gone
>>638 Nice! Thanks for sharing, any way to download a local copy of this?
Internet Archive may die due to copyrightsniggers https://blog.archive.org/2020/06/01/four-commercial-publishers-filed-a-complaint-about-the-internet-archives-lending-of-digitized-books/ Download and save everything you can before the great burn down
>>651 If this goes south, will they remove everything, or just the books? At least there's libgen for books, but almost everything else on the archive (websites, movies, software...etc) is not mirrored anywhere. There was an attempt to backup the whole website by "Archive Team" but it's been on hiatus since 2016: https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=INTERNETARCHIVE.BAK I personally backed up some software, but of course it's nowhere near enough. Hopefully a coordinated project will be set up before it's too late...
>>652 >If this goes south, will they remove everything, or just the books? Removing the content is much less of problem than the possibility of getting bankrupted by being sued by four of the biggest publishing companies. >but of course it's nowhere near enough. Hopefully a coordinated project will be set up before it's too late... It's nearly impossible to back up such an enormous amount of data in such a short time. Hopefully, the public won't let it happen, but "coincidentally" everyone's eyes set on the nignogs riots in USA right now.
>>651 Update: the IA went back to the "traditional" book lending model, hopefully the publishers will calm the fuck down. http://blog.archive.org/2020/06/10/temporary-national-emergency-library-to-close-2-weeks-early-returning-to-traditional-controlled-digital-lending/ https://archive.vn/pAZ5Z
Just found out this exists: https://oneterabyteofkilobyteage.tumblr.com Most sites are still available using wayback machine too. Pretty good shit. please board don't die
>>669 Nice screenshots on there. The blog also links to some kind of Geocities restoration project: https://blog.geocities.institute This reminds me of when I downloaded a part of the "Geocities archive torrent" looking for a certain website, only to find out it wasn't archived. :( I did stumble upon some other cool websites in the downloaded part though...
>>674 >only to find out it wasn't archived. We all need some kind of distributed, discoverable, archiving system that can take the place of the wayback machine and the archive.today domains. Wayback is under attack again, and archive.today has been hiding behind the enemy of humanity (((Cuckflare))), and are therefore useless for Tor users, and pozzed af anyway. We should start with IBs of today, but also include /retro/-esque assets as well. They need to be distributed on personal boxes so they don't present a single point of failure for takedowns and other evil attacks.
>>674 >>669 pretty comfy >>675 yeah, the main thing is having a good system in place to access those files or share them. I'm willing to bet between a lot of users, we'd have plenty of storage space to archive a lot of things and have copies. But it's worthless if not everyone can find it again. I think boards and forums are a pretty good way to share stuff though. Asking a bunch of people usually turns up better results than a search engine especially the pozzed results engines give nowadays.
>>690 Agreed. The problem with forums, etc., is they are centralized points that are targets for attack. A distributed, discoverable, archiving system will both answer the basic needs you mentioned, as well as being much more resistant to some lazy-assed Esther-esque or glownigger attack, and being more resilient to bounce back in the event of one. Think "Whack-a-Mole" game as far as that last point.
>>695 yes exactly, that's why I find that just talking to people on a random forum is a pretty decent way to learn and find stuff.
>>675 >>690 >>695 Maybe IPFS can be leveraged to make such an archive possible? I'm not very savvy when it comes to non-centralized means of archival, but I've downloaded files using IPFS quite a few times before and it was smooth.
>>702 Good point Anon. Hydrus is one kind of tool that might be able to provide some inspiration/guidance on a good toolset to devise. It supports IPFS also. My thinking atm is more geared towards individual hidden services somehow networked together similar to the way BitTorrent works. RetroShare might be a good idea, as well as ''bitmessage.
>>246 I just dropped by here to see if the board was still active, and I happened to see this post while scrolling. Thank you so much for preserving this game, anon.
>>246 >This game gave me hope that there's a way to repackage old Shockwave games into standalone EXEs, perhaps using old versions of Macromedia SW. If you are still around Anon (or anyone else interested for that matter) I feel pretty confident that my friends at /f/ can tell you the answer to that question, with specifics. https://anon.cafe/f/res/4.html
>>709 I'll check it out, although I would prefer if some of these anons came here to give /retro/ some much needed traffic.
>>713 go there and shill for us mate
Here is a website hosted by an elderly man who has the same hobby I do. http://www.panix.com/~bartlett/
>>577 Don't use the c-word. It is a zoomer magnet. The proper term for the art of language invention is "glossopoeia". http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Glosso/Glossopoeia.html
>>820 that's a nice page. Although I have to say all this language stuff comes across as pure autism to me, haha. Not in such a bad way--one man's autism is another's passion, isn't it?
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Perhaps you guys would be interested, I made a website on neocities for vaporwave music, complete with 88x31 buttons and a winamp player which uses javascript check it out sometime. https://loa2k.neocities.org/
>>857 >New World™ flacs I was looking everywhere for those. Thanks.
>>859 Glad to help! NW is one of my all time favorite albums.
>>857 pretty sweet anon, thanks.
I made a forum thats suppose to give the look of an old Macintosh OS 8, Its a vaporwave community https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php
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I thought of playing some old adult swim games before flash die and I saw this cancer instead...are we desktopfags are dying breed or simply cannot be monetized like phoneniggers and consolefags?
>>914 >are we desktopfags are dying breed Yes, unfortunately. Phone cancer is the norm nowadays, and desktop computers are most likely only going to become an increasingly niche thing from here on out.
>>913 Didn't Apple open up their OS to the PC hardware crowd for a period while Jobs was out?
>>915 I checked the regular cartoon network site, they still have games, but they're inferior trash to what they used to have just like their cartoons. BTW, Nitrome is now converting their old desktop flash games to html5 at least, they have an excuse for cucking the flashpoint project from including them in the game list, assholes . >desktop computers will become a thing for programfags and maybe artfags only which will make desktop more expensive and harder to get >technology will continue to get more pozzed and bloated Is there any anon who work on time machine that can get us all back? I want to go back, I want to live in infinite loop of 90's-2000's and maybe early 2010' before the cancer vastly spread and then die.
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>>917 >I want to go back, I want to live in infinite loop of 90's-2000's and maybe early 2010' before the cancer vastly spread and then die. I wish the period we were living in was just a more technologically advanced version of the late 20th century. The only modern things I'm interested in tend to draw heavily from the past anyway, even if they take things in a different direction. It feels to me like things have hit a brick wall aesthetically. This brown maelstrom of smartphones, social media, yoga pants, and digitally over-processed media is so lame and off-putting to me. Everything feels like it's designed by a committee of neutered bourgeois bohemians who embrace ugliness in the name of being as inoffensive as possible. Having standards is oppressive and problematic. Ideally I'd like to separate myself from it completely and live like all this garbage didn't exist. It's too bad intentional communities wouldn't be an option for this stuff.
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>>920 >Everything feels like it's designed by a committee of neutered bourgeois bohemians who embrace ugliness in the name of being as inoffensive as possible. It's true. Reading Greek philosophy, I see constant mentions of beauty, it's constantly sought after everywhere in Greek texts. It's a stark contrast to CY+6, the age of sculpted uglyness. >Our own hearts bear us witness that we, too, from our boyhood up, have been trained in the school of beauty and nobleness and honour, and now let us go forward to meet our foes. >But when he saw it he said: "Nay, you must not make me a mercenary and a benefactor for pay; take this treasure back and hie you home, but do not give it to your lord that he may bury it again; spend it on your son, and send him forth gloriously equipped for war, and with the residue buy yourself and for your husband and your children such precious things as shall endure, and bring joy and beauty into all your days. >Therefore Cyrus ordered his whole force to assemble under arms, and drew them up into battle-array, using all his skill to make the display a wonder of beauty and perfection. Some quotes from The Upbringing of Cyrus. But we can still read texts from before Christ, and we can still consume the beauty and superior quality from before times we can consider modern in whatever field we're dealing with. It's still perfectly possible and in fact the best way to program using ANSI C, from 1989. And you can still do it on the BSDs, projects started in the 80s. Nobody is making anything new there, but we can still watch anime from the 1970s-1990s. Pirating movies from the 60s-early 90s is still perfectly possible, and we can also do this with anime, we can watch them on blu-ray with fancy upscaler algorithms. The only thing other than some aspects of technology I can really recall had anything nice happen to it in the 2000s or later was vidya, and that's confined to the first half of the decade. Early 2000s vidya is my favorite too. Again, nothing new of that sort coming out, but early 2000s vidya is still reachable. And emulation is at a golden age right now, the emulators for SNES, Genesis, those 2D consoles in general are of absurdly high quality these days.
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>>921 >Nobody is making anything new there, but we can still watch anime from the 1970s-1990s. >Pirating movies from the 60s-early 90s is still perfectly possible, and we can also do this with anime, we can watch them on blu-ray with fancy upscaler algorithms. My plan right now it actually to buy a massive hard external hard drive for archival purposes. I already have an 8 TB hard drive that's almost filled up with various things, so I'm going to get an even bigger one to preserve as many movies and TV shows from the past as possible that even vaguely interest me. Even corny sitcoms I look back on fondly but wouldn't want to rewatch nowadays. I already have a decent movie selection of movie rips that goes back to A Trip to the Moon and some of D.W. Griffith's work. I think we're going to see some hard crackdowns coming soon, so I want to be as prepared for the future as possible. Streaming services can go cram it. >The only thing other than some aspects of technology I can really recall had anything nice happen to it in the 2000s or later was vidya, and that's confined to the first half of the decade. Early 2000s vidya is my favorite too. Again, nothing new of that sort coming out, but early 2000s vidya is still reachable. PC games definitely went downhill after that point for me, and those are the ones I enjoy the most. I already have most of the games I want, whether through GOG, DOSBox, Steam, or through open-source re-implementations (although one I was looking forward to got forcibly shut down recently). >And emulation is at a golden age right now, the emulators for SNES, Genesis, those 2D consoles in general are of absurdly high quality these days. Yeah. When it comes to console games, I'm mainly into the 8-bit and 16-bit systems, and now that I have MiSTer and flash carts as options for those I'd gladly sell off all the games in my collection that don't have nostalgic value for me. Technological advances have made it easier than ever to have access to the best of the past as far as things like books, movies, TV, games, and music go. Too bad it doesn't help change the aesthetic repulsiveness of the 21st century in a broader sense. Most people don't even seem to understand all the great things they have access to and would rather just take whatever is currently dangled in front of their face.
>>920 It's interesting that for you it's mostly an aesthetics issue, whereas for me it's mostly functionality issue. >I wish the period we were living in was just a more technologically advanced version of the late 20th century Can you elaborate please? That's sounds intriguing. >>921 >we can watch them on blu-ray with fancy upscaler algorithms Aren't most of Blu-ray adaptions are bad? Especially for cel animation in which they remove the gradient/"noise" and either make everything too bright or dull?
>>923 >It's interesting that for you it's mostly an aesthetics issue, whereas for me it's mostly functionality issue. It's really a mix of both, but aesthetics for me are definitely a huge gripe. I even remember disliking the turn things took in the late '90s when I wasn't very old. >Can you elaborate please? That's sounds intriguing. Keeping the aesthetics of the last few decades of the last century (or even before) while still retaining the technological advancements that have been made since then (although not necessarily having them in wide use). Unfortunately, there's no going back. Every society is shaped by the circumstances in which it exists, including the technological ones. The technological limitations compared to what we know nowadays are one of the things that give those years their character. Maybe some day there will be another golden age, but I don't think I'll ever able to appreciate it to the same extent.
>>923 Yes, that's often the case. There are often all sorts of technical mistakes because people who are competent with video and audio are rare. Most who are actually doing the job for the companies selling disc releases are incompetent and either apathetic or satisfied with saying "it's subjective" and then half-assing it. Most photographers don't know how to take a picture, and even those who know things like aperture think they're knobs you twist until you get an effect rather than tools for squeezing the most accurate picture out of the camera. You can expect the same thing out of people dealing with video and audio. There's also the issue of corporate culture where they will use the corporate product to get the job done, which is rarely any good. The disc standards are very horribly made and easy to mess up. For instance, DVD has no progressive mode, there's only a word-of-mouth standard where you telecine progressive footage and hope the player either figures it out (telecining can be detected, but also misdetected) or your DVD sends the player some sort of proprietary signal. DVD is a literal computer that you can program with a special assembly language, this assembly language is how DVD menus and unskippable copyright notices are made. DVD also has rectangular pixels. This and more creates a lot of traps that the great majority of DVD makers fall into. Then there's the issue of remastering the film correctly. Whoever remastered Evangelion for instance forgot to calibrate the colors of the tool they used, and the resulting image is tinted. And there's the issue of preserving the film. If you store it poorly, it will deteriorate. As you mentioned there's the misguided filtering. For broken disc relases, see: Dragon Ball, Crusher Joe, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Slayers TV series, Evangelion, Saint Seiya, Excel Saga, Sailor Moon (there's a DVD release that's actually good, but the blu-rays suck), Dirty Pair, Terminator, Star Wars. I have a general feeling most home video releases are bad, certainly most of the ones I watched. There are good disc releases however, and there are fixable releases also. A lot of pirate encoders fix mistakes in the official release, one such release for instance is Evangelion. There are multiple fan encodes with the color issue fixed. I mostly watch anime, I know at least 2 good western releases, but I think those are the only ones I ever watched that were good. For anime there are so many I can't recall all, for good or fixable and fixed in a pirate encode releases check out Terra e..., Lodoss, Gunbuster, Maison Ikkoku, Escaflowne, the original Tenchi Muyo OVAs, Urusei Yatsura, Slayers OVAs, Macross, Tokimeki Tonight (actually a web release), Arion, Iczer-1, Megazone 23, Magic Knight Rayearth, Angel's Egg, Kimagure Orange Road. Beware incompetent pirate encoders also exist, and they can make poor encodes or filter the image. All the fan encodes of Urusei Yatsura are heavily filtered for instance. There are 2 funny trends I have noticed. First, some movies are so old that the makers had no chance of butchering the image, they didn't have computers to do it with. Filtering an image in the old days was putting a red glass pane in front of the prism you're burning your image into the film with so it's tinted red. If you look at an old movie like 2001: A Space Odyssey or Back to the Future, the image couldn't possibly be desaturated until it was composed of dark shades of bluish grey like a modern movie. They didn't have a computer to do that with. The colors are all perfect, and those movies also happen to have actually good blu-ray releases that are true to the original. Second, some movies have only ever been released in good quality on analog cinema. From when cinema video was done with a film roll and a projector. There's even a project trying to create a fan remaster Star Wars from old cinema reels https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k77/ because all the official home releases are terrible.
>>925 >There's even a project trying to create a fan remaster Star Wars from old cinema reels https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k77/ because all the official home releases are terrible. I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, but it's great that people are doing stuff like that. I have Harmy's Despecialized Edition of the trilogy, but I'll have to get these when all three movies are finished. I'd hoped that Disney would have done something like this a long time ago when they got the rights, but they seemed to have dropped the ball on absolutely everything.
>>924 It sounds less vague now, thanks. >while still retaining the technological advancements that have been made since then (although not necessarily having them in wide use) Yeah, that's unrealistic wish; a world where niggerphones, social networks and emails aren't necessity and an extend of the real world, I would love to go back to that time. We truly live in cyberpunk era without even realizing it since it's not exciting and full of thrills like we been lied to by various fiction and other commercialism as the nature of reality is and always be dull and not glamorous despite all the lies pushed to say otherwise and give hope and meaning to the average normalfag. >Unfortunately, there's no going back. Every society is shaped by the circumstances in which it exists, including the technological ones. The technological limitations compared to what we know nowadays are one of the things that give those years their character Uncle Ted was right >Maybe some day there will be another golden age I doubt it would ever happen, I can't see a way to push away big tech and restore the internet to it glory days before the normalfag and corporate cancer. Maybe if we will have teleports in the future we could go back to using more analog low tech again (papers, etc). >>925 Thank you so much for your very detailed and informative answer! It's also impressive you have great eye for noticing such small differences. >Most who are actually doing the job for the companies selling disc releases are incompetent and either apathetic or satisfied with saying "it's subjective" and then half-assing it Totally, Batman Beyond got a Blu-Ray last year and the faggots were bullshitting about "how the creators originally wanted to make everything brighter", so all the cel episodes are completely smooth and bright I wonder how come no one on twatter whined about whitwashing the black characters, maybe BB is safe from SJW? Probably not, but I'd like to think that and the digital episodes have yellow tint and sometimes are too bright as well. I doubt there are enough fans to fix it like in Star Wars and Anime cases. P.S. Sounds relevant to modern web design too. >I know at least 2 good western releases, but I think those are the only ones I ever watched that were good What are they, may I ask? >There are good disc releases however, and there are fixable releases also. A lot of pirate encoders fix mistakes in the official release Can you please explain how to find such releases/downloads? Thanks in advance!
>>928 >What are they, may I ask? They're mentioned further down, 2001: A Space Odyssey and Back to the Future. I just remembered, there's a series of disc releases of western movies called The Criterion Collection and the people behind it seem competent. I've seen a few pictures of other movies in the series and they looked good, but ultimately the only movie in it I watched was Goodfellas and that also had an excellent release. The Amazon release of Dukes of Hazzard is also very good. On the anime side there's a company called Discotek which has been buying the rights of several franchises and releasing them excellently for a while now. Here's Galaxy Express 999 for instance. >Can you please explain how to find such releases/downloads? Torrent sites and a bit of digging. Here's Dragon Ball with the original broadcast audio and some video fixes https://nyaa.si/view/1283101 What happened to that series was the official audio in the DVDs is a terribly low quality recording the owners of the series had, the original is either lost or the people making the DVDs weren't allowed to touch it. But back in the 1980s it was common for Japanese otaku to record shows as they aired on VHS tapes, back then if you didn't catch something on TV you'd be left unable to watch it for a long time. It turned out it paid off because many home recordings of the series are much superior to the audio officially released on DVD, so pirates managed to dig out a superior recording that not even the people behind the DVDs had access to. The "Dragon Ball broadcast audio" is a famous incident, if you web search it there'll be a lot of results. That release also has video fixes. Here's an encode I made https://nyaa.net/view/1036974?PageSpeed=noscript. The original DVD has a mixture of telecining and interlacing, I don't know if there's a DVD player out there that can detect switches between telecining and interlacing and deal with them properly on the fly but I doubt it, certainly the software video player MPV couldn't figure it out with the .iso I pirated and the other fan encodes didn't fix the problem. I made a fixed encode. There's also a device called the Domesday Duplicator which can rip LaserDiscs in better quality than anything else. The way it works is that they tap the signal sent by the laser of a real LaserDisc player, and then they use a software LaserDisc player emulator to decode this recording, and by doing this in this way instead of letting the LaserDisc player decode the disc and recording the player's output the resulting video is much superior. https://www.domesday86.com/ I just found this plebbit post about some discord faggots who seem to be planning to use this device to rip LOGH after a quick google https://www.reddit.com/r/logh/comments/kyrus0/i_am_excited_to_announce_legend_of_the_galactic/ I don't know of any releases that have used this device however. Another thing people have been doing is take upscaled video, figure out the algorithm and the variables fed to the algorithm used to upscale it (which thanks to corporate incompetence 99% of the time is either Bilinear or Bicubic with the default settings of some random software) and then downscale this footage with an approximation of the opposite of the upscaler algorithms to hopefully get the best reconstruction of the original resolution footage, which is then either released as is and upscaling is left to the final consumer or upscaled back with a superior algorithm for better quality. There's a forum called doom9 where encoder people teach each other this stuff and write sofware tools to do these sorts of tasks https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=174849 Just check out some titles in the forum: https://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=33
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>>928 >Yeah, that's unrealistic wish; a world where niggerphones, social networks and emails aren't necessity and an extend of the real world, I would love to go back to that time. I think it would be a hard adjustment for most people to make, including myself. I'd love to go back to the Wild West days of the old Internet, but I don't think even a potentially decentralized Internet of the future would even have the same feeling. >We truly live in cyberpunk era without even realizing it since it's not exciting and full of thrills like we been lied to by various fiction and other commercialism as the nature of reality is and always be dull and not glamorous despite all the lies pushed to say otherwise and give hope and meaning to the average normalfag. I'm not a fan of the cyberpunk aesthetic, but at least cyberpunk had a cool grittiness to it. What we're experiencing now is like a bland, emasculated version of that. Sure, people tend to expect ugliness out of dystopias. But those are often the cool kind of ugly, with imposing brutalist architecture, stylish propaganda posters, and stern-looking soldiers in menacing uniforms patrolling the streets and hunting down resisters. What do we have now? Nu-minimalist art with POCs in wheelchairs? Insipid ukulele-and-whistling stock music? Somehow a society populated with repulsive buttertrolls with Day-Glo hair destroying people's lives over hurt feelings just can't compete with the more traditional vision of a future you'd want to avoid. But yeah, reality always fails to live up to the exciting images we have in our heads. That even goes for things none of us would ever want to experience. That WWI-era quote about war being long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror comes to mind. >Uncle Ted was right I don't see any way of closing Pandora's box now that it's been opened. By giving up technological advancement, a society would be creating an international prisoner's dilemma type of situation that would make it vulnerable to societies that aren't willing to give it up. >I doubt it would ever happen, I can't see a way to push away big tech and restore the internet to it glory days before the normalfag and corporate cancer. Maybe if we will have teleports in the future we could go back to using more analog low tech again (papers, etc). If there is one, I don't think we'll really be able to predict what it would look like. Short of humanity being destroyed or the world's energy sources being burned through before a suitable replacement can be found, at some point things will have to bounce back to an extent. Even a completely totalitarian 1984-style society wouldn't be able to hold on forever, although we might be long dead by the time it would collapse. On the other hand, maybe artificial general intelligence could be a useful asset to tyrannical governments if it's ever implemented.
>>925 >>929 Hey anon, you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about video & encoding. Could you help me out with one thing? I've been into this old MTV show called AMP, but all the copies available online are shit (240p, low bitrate, the video is basically mush). By some miracle I found some guy who dumped his dvds on soulseek and amongst them were a few eps of AMP, recorded from a tape. No transcoding, he literally just dumped the VIDEO_TS folder. So once I'm finished downloading I'd like to convert it to something more reasonable (like webm) and deinterlace it, but I have no fucking clue how to do this. I have ffmpeg, but I'm not an encoding expert, generally the most I can do with ffmpeg is to cut a video or sth. Here's a sample of the video in question: http://0x0.st/-ij_.mpeg
>>931 Make sure to read the manual of every utility you use. A TV recording is usually interlaced rather than telecined. This is interlaced. To rip DVDs I recommend mplayer, it's clunky to use and has its limitations, which are not at all helped by how bad of a format DVD is, but it gets the job done. If you do it well the only thing missing will be the chapters, I don't know of a FLOSS tool that can rip DVD chapters. mplayer is a video player with a ripping feature, you can tell it to dump a DVD's title. DVDs have what are called angles, titles and chapters. Usually every title is either a whole episode (or the whole movie if it's a movie) or a copyright notice, an ad, or the menu video. Usually. This is the exact command line I used to rip a test DVD just now: >mplayer -dumpfile ~/test.vob -sid 0 -dumpstream dvd://2 -dvd-device /mnt/ Every one of those options is in mplayer's manual. One detail that you will see from the "dvd://2" part is that I ripped the 2nd title, because the 1st title was actually the DVD menu. In this case it's a very well done DVD for a multiple episode anime called Maps, and in this DVD every episode is a title. mplayer won't rip subtitles by default, you have to specify a subtitle id with -sid. Often, including in this DVD, titles are split into multiple files within the DVD. mplayer will sort it out for you and output a single .vob file. This single .vob file is easier to manipulate with ffmpeg, you can also use the ffmpeg concat filter to get the same result, but then ffmpeg alone doesnt automate nearly as much of the job. The .iso file was mounted on the /mnt/ directory. Inside /mnt/ is the VIDEO_TS directory, i.e /mnt/VIDEO_TS. After that, it seems ffmpeg can read the concatenated file properly. The result is a .vob file which is ready to be manipulated with ffmpeg to do whatever you need to do with it. I'm just going to pretend that my example file is your example file for a second, you can turn any format into any other format very easily with ffmpeg. It's one of the simplest ffmpeg use cases. >ffmpeg -i test.vob -c:a copy -c:v copy video.mpeg Now comes the part where the DVD is finished. >ffmpeg -i video.mpeg -vf yadif,scale=720:540 -c:v libx264 -preset:v slow -b:v 2000k -c:a copy -map 0:v -map 0:a video.mkv Here's the output file, video.mpeg was the file you linked, video.mkv is the result from that command line: https://x0.at/dG5.mkv All of those options are also on ffmpeg's manual. After ripping the DVD you can either undo the interlacing or tag the file appropriately (your mpeg file is already tagged perfectly, I checked it) and leave the deinterlacing to the video player. All the video codecs currently in use lose efficiency when fed interlaced footage, so if you will reencode you should take the chance to also deinterlace. The video already doesn't look good, I'd just mux it as is into a mkv file. The example reencodes. The algorithm used for fixing deinterlacing matters, better ones give better quality. ffmpeg supports a good one called NNEDI. Because of some licensing nonsense the manual tells you to download a file the algorithm needs to work from github, if you can't do that use yadif. Everything is in ffmpeg's manual. Generally, you shouldn't touch DVD audio. DVD uses a lossy audio codec called AC3, there's no point in reencoding it to a lossless codec because it'll increase the filesize, and it's very undesirable to encode it to another lossy format because there'll be a huge quality reduction. Lossy audio codecs in general use tricks to make your brain not notice the quality loss, whereas video codecs hide detail your eyes don't pay attention to. Lossily encoding already lossy audio breaks the illusion and there's a lot of added loss, while on the other hand you can take a jpeg screenshot of some video and have trouble telling apart your lossy screenshot from the lossy material it was taken from. Another thing you can do is scale the video to make the pixels square, bad (software and hardware) video players which can't handle rectangular pixels are everywhere. Rectangular pixels also cause trouble with the video codecs and reduce efficiency, so it's generally a good idea to get rid of them when reencoding. A NTSC DVD's resolution is 720x480 and the aspect ratio is 4:3. If you scale it to a 4:3 resolution its rectangular pixels will be stretched to squares. Don't downscale the video to 640:480, upscale it to 720:540. By downscaling, you're discarding detail. By upscaling, you're extrapolating detail. The slight upscale is closer to the original than the slight downscale. 720:540 also happens to be exactly a quarter of 1080p, most upscaler algorithms perform better and discard less data when scaling integer multiples, and 1080p and 4k seem to be the more popular screen resolutions these days. The ideal would be to leave the original resolution intact and let the player upscale the original rectangular pixels to your screen's resolution at the proper aspect ratio, but to avoid trouble it's best to take that 720:540 step. And finally, yet another common quirk among video players is being unable to play streams where the audio comes before the video. In fact, most imageboards won't even allow you to upload such a file. In your file, the audio happens to come before the video. The "-map" options I used fix that.
>>932 >mplayer Just to be sure, do you mean this https://mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html ?
>>932 Also what are your thoughts on Handbrake - https://handbrake.fr/ ? Seems more retard friendly
Woah, I expected a response, but not an entire blogpost! But yeah, thanks for the verbosity, I actually learned a thing or two. I did some testing and while yadif did muddy things a little bit, I can't find any differences between the image ran through nnedi and source, so I think I'll go with that partial reencoding (especially since it effectively halfs the filesize) rather than just muxing. I'll make sure to drop a link here after I'm done with encoding/reordering/uploading. Thanks again, that was incredibly helpful!
>>933 Yes. >>934 I haven't used it, I hear it has good defaults. Video and audio manipulation involves so much repetition with slight changes every now and then that GUIs are specially ill suited for these sorts of tasks. Usually in the commandline you can script it, turning days of repetitive labor and inefficient use of the computer into writing a script and letting the computer do its thing on its own. With a GUI you have to hope there's a tool for automating your specific use case and that this tool is compatible with other tools you're using, you probably won't find any tool to do most of what you want. For instance, I happened to be making a Galaxy Express remux as I made these posts, it's finished now: https://nyaa.net/view/1039110 The blu-rays are a bit janky. They have multiple playlists, only one of which is the anime itself. Other playlists were credits, ads, and some extras that shouldn't be included in my release like a recording of a tape of a dub pilot that never bore fruit. There is one playlist containing all the episodes on the disc, which is not consistently the same playlist, it was always either the playlist number 0 or the playlist number 1. This one playlist has between 51 and 66 chapters depending on the disc, every group of 5 chapters is an episode, the very last chapter on most discs (not all) was mastering credits, and there are a total of 9 blu-ray discs. I wasn't able to find a tool to properly split what I needed split without manually doing everything, and I didn't even look much for such a tool, so I pieced together a few command line tools. I used mplayer to probe the disc, then I used sed to parse mplayer's output and grab the number of the longest playlist and the chapter count of every bd, then I used seq to generate a sequence of numbers that matched the chapter that separated episodes, then I used mkvmerge's commandline interface to split the playlist number I grabbed at the chapter numbers I generated. After that, I had a folder for each disc with every episode separated into its own file. Optical storage in general is terrible at reading at varying speeds, and adding the hardware to buffer video to players costs money, so blu-rays are purposefully engineered so the encoded content has very little bitrate variation. I knew upfront all the episodes would have a similar size, and indeed all the Galaxy Express episodes on these discs are between 3GB and 3.4GB in size, but the mastering credits were far smaller than that at 140MB, so I used a command called find to delete every file below 200MB. I wrote a quick shell loop to take every file I ripped and reencode the audio to FLAC from PCM with ffmpeg, then run mkvpropedit through the file to add some statistics a few video players benefit from, which left me with the final files I'd release. The files when sorted alphabetically were in the right order, but their names were working names and improper for release. For instance episode 2 from set 1's disc 2 was called "set1d2-002.mkv". That's also easy to fix in shell. I used the find program to build a list of files, sorted it with a program called sort, and fed this list to an awk script I wrote which kept a count of how many files it was fed and generated a filename with a template I made, using the current count of files as the episode number. Imagine doing all of that manually. The scripting must have taken less than an hour total, all the processing took about a day on my toaster. GUI tools would have been more manual and involve downtime where the computer wouldn't be doing anything while I pressed the right buttons.
>>928 >push away big tech and restore the internet to it glory days This may be far-fetched but I speculate one of the "alternative internets" (i2p, freenet, zeronet...etc) will take off in the coming years and catapult us back to the online wild west days. Also because these networks are slow and a lot of their users don't enable javascript -for security reasons- we may just as well see a rise of "classic" websites that are just plain HTML and CSS... One can dream. >>930 > don't think even a potentially decentralized Internet of the future would even have the same feeling. I think it would, because early internet wasn't a breeze to access back then, which is the case for decentralized networks nowadays. With growing popularity there will be fine tuned browsers and apps that make it easier to use, to a degree of course, because we don't want normalfags getting in too easily. >>936 Could you upload your scripts for us? Personally I'd love to learn all the command line magic as I feel I'm not making full use of my linux machine.
>>937 >I think it would, because early internet wasn't a breeze to access back then, which is the case for decentralized networks nowadays. With growing popularity there will be fine tuned browsers and apps that make it easier to use, to a degree of course, because we don't want normalfags getting in too easily. I hope so, but I think it would lack a lot of the charming naivete and earnestness of the early Internet.
>>942 Good, so we can avoid doing the same things that ruined the internet the first time around.
>>943 It's absolutely necessary that people learn from experience, but at the same time I'm tired of people hiding behind seven layers of irony and acting like they're too cool for everything. Even I find myself doing that.

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