>>1102 >>1103 >Art 1992 >Alice the Rat Absolute chad. Brian Swords of York will live forever in infamy. >I own all 4 volumes of The American Journal of Anthropomorphics Very envious! That's the kind of thing I was grasping for in the very early 2000s without realizing it, but I think that the younger WWW-driven wave at the time was quite disconnected from the previous partially-offline one. Many of the Web's roads at that time were very well-hidden. Or perhaps I was just ignorant, and that's why I didn't know anything. >his Amiga animations I'd never seen these, thank you! I knew Schwartz only for his Sabrina Online webcomic, and though I knew about his Amiga obsession (hard to miss) I didn't know about his work using it. >>1106 >Joseph D. Ny Huh, what a charming few pictures. I love their strong lines and overall composition. The composition in particular reminds me a little of Italian advertisements from the 1950s-1960s. Wish we could find more from him, I'd love to see it. >>1092 >Tracy Butler, 1998-1999 Very strong "Slayers"-era influence in this part of her work! But you can see that she has a good stash of fundamental skill and her own style hasn't yet developed. But develop it did, and these days she draws the visually-distinctive Lackadaisy webcomic (fourth pic related). This guide from 2011 (fifth pic related) shows that she put in a lot of /loomis/-style grinding in during the 2000s. Admirable. >>1109 >Damn. I remember when I used to bash them just because it was trendy. Then I learned that a lot of artists I liked in the 00s were actually furries and mellowed out a bit about them. There was a lot to bash in furry fandom during the 2000s, to be fair, but like any other upswelling it looked very different from the inside than the outside. Still, that decade saw the strong rise of Web "atrocity tourism" - what we recognise today as lolcow farming - where outlandish, cringeworthy, and horrifying Internet behaviour is harvested and presented for amusement. This originally started in the 1990s with the Portal of Evil (who interestingly had a non-interference "Prime Directive" similar to today's lolcow farmers) and continued through the 2000s with sites like Something Awful that greatly shaped popular perceptions of Internet subcultures in general - as well as producing the whingy backlash among some furries that came to characterise them for a time. >Kind of wish I would have taken part in it back then. I look fondly back on it now. For a while I was terribly ashamed, but I kept it enough of a secret and used enough identity OPSEC (a.k.a. second nature of Web users at the time) that I could comfortably sever myself from the whole thing when I felt that the time was right. All traces of my old handles have long since evaporated completely, so the only record I have of it all is my memories and the memories of those I interacted with. It was strange and cringy but it was also my introduction to a lot of worthwhile things I wouldn't have discovered otherwise, and I had a lot of fun with it. I think it was the right time to be involved, when things were online enough to be present and alive, but not so online that it didn't still feel like a secret, thriving, cozy little subculture. I can only imagine what it's like to get into furry today, with the horrendous cultural factors at play in Gen Z, Discord tranny groomers, floods of highly accessible porn, and platforms like Twitter allowing any obnoxious fucker to get e-clout for having the hottest possible takes. But that's what everyone thinks about the yoof in any generation, so perhaps on balance it'll be okay.

You know, one part of all this that I know absolutely nothing about is the Japanese kemono scene at this time. Artists like Dr. Comet and Trump/Team Shuffle had their art ripped and reposted a lot but thanks to the language barrier and the Wayback Machine's refusal to archive sites that contained porn, I have no roads into that side of things. I wonder if anyone from >>>/kemono/ might know something?

>>1190 >>1191 >>1192 A lot of nice info. I was first introduced to furries in 98 or 99 when I started playing Furcadia, so it's nice to get some more context and history on the furfag side of things, since all I got to learn about later was Ultima Online's influence, traditional MUDs, and other goings on. Pretty sure I've seen some of those 2001 web rating images too whenever they appeared. The G and NC-17 look familiar. >>1207 >the Wayback Machine's refusal to archive sites that contained porn I'm pretty sure they can't possibly catch all of them. Like everywhere else back then, It was common for Japanese people to have their own websites. But unlike the rest of the internet, this still isn't uncommon over there. Up to 2012-ish it was still common for people to post art on their own personal websites and not even use pixiv. It has gone down I think compared to use of jp blog sites, but those sites get archived too. In my opinion the real hurdle to Wayback Machine scavenging of old 90s and early 2000s content these days is jewgle's removal outdated search results. Makes it almost impossible to find the address of old sites if you don't already know what you're looking for, and even then you still might not find anything. For a kemono search, you might be able to find old doujinshi scans somewhere with a web address on it and use that as a jumping off point, or if you know any circle that has been around a long time, you could wayback their current website and see how far back that domain name goes. Affiliate links were a big thing just like it was for our half of the web, so just finding one old site will get you started. There's also webrings and dedicated directories of websites for certain types of content too that you may be able to come across in some site's links page, in which case you will have hit the jackpot probably. It's too bad oekaki BBS usually don't get archived properly, with broken images or missing pages.

>>1206 >and another piece by brian schwartz... <audience boos Kek >>1203 Quite an analysis, thank you. Maybe in the future the more innocent art will be coveted for its rarity amid a sea of porn.

>>1207 Can't say I know anything about classic kemono, but that cover has me curious.

>>1207 >>1218 WikiFur has a half-decent history at https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Kemono - much of their very early online roots were in FidoNet-like BBS networks/dedicated services before moving to personal Web pages in the late nineties and their offline roots were of course in doujinshi culture, which is sometimes compared to but very different to American-style con culture. (This difference has in the past caused friction when usually-Americans - especially cosplayers - turn up at Japanese events, assume they’re at a kind of “con”, and break all the unwritten iron rules.) Interestingly, fursuiting didn’t seem to have spread to their side of things until the late 2000s, and only quite sparingly. I attended Mimiket 31 back in 2014, which happened to be co-running that time with the kemono-only Mofuket 4 (pic related). The tables were split between the kemono circles and the kemonomimi circles, and I remember finding the Japanese kemono people - as the stereotype suggests - quite muted and civil. A couple of fursuiters were active, but I guess they were just taking their suits for a short spin to show their circlemates because it seemed to be more about showing off the technical prowess of the construction and design, which struck me as very high. I think events dedicated to fursuiting have since arisen, but I can’t imagine they departed too far from the fundamental pattern and sense of Japanese otaku events. By the way, that drawing in >>1207 is fanart of Bokko from Wonder 3 (second and third pics related), a series created by “father of manga” Tezuka, himself a kind of proto-furry. Many of his private drawings discovered in his locked desk well after his death were basically furry cheesecake (fourth pic related - note the vigorous hindquarter movement lines and the TF-fetish looking drawing in the top left), and he himself spoke of a fascination with the boundary between people and animals, specifically "metamorphic" blends of the two. In the series, Captain Bokko frequently displays more-than-platonic affection towards the teenage human main character Shunichi, and at the end of the series asks her two colleagues to transform her into a human girl so she can be with Shunichi. I'll leave speculation as to what effect this may have had upon a subset of the cartoon's young audience to others.

This is a really cool thread, OP. Thanks for making it and for providing such a wealth of material to discuss. The particular kind of anthro art in the 00s was what got me into that subculture in the first place (although I don't consider myself "a member of the furry fandom" since that kind of identity politicking is cancerous and impractical) along with cartoonists trying to push stuff past the censors. Thanks, Space Jam. >>1092 >>1206 >Very strong "Slayers"-era influence in this part of her work! It's not just an influence; the characters in pic 2 of the post you're quoting are literally just anthro versions of Lamia and Lina Inverse. >But develop it did, and these days she draws the visually-distinctive Lackadaisy webcomic (fourth pic related). This guide from 2011 (fifth pic related) shows that she put in a lot of /loomis/-style grinding in during the 2000s. Admirable. Huh. I had no idea, but that's really impressive; Lackadaisy is a comic I've been meaning to read for a long time, and the archive only gets longer the more I put it off - I never would have guessed that the artist for that and the artist who drew those pictures were the same person. I only recognized the first pictures because I knew it from the cover for the 1st edition of Ironclaw. Using Slayers knockoff art on the cover is one of many questionable decision made in Ironclaw 1E. I actually wrote a huge wall of text about it on smug/tg/'s community reading thread, if anyone's interested in it. >>1207 Aside from the obligatory shitposting about Osamu Tezuka, I can't say I know much, either. It was probably seen as less bizarre in Japan due to the history of Studio Sanrio (and organizations like it) and the general kawaii culture over there. >>1208 >jewgle's removal outdated search results. Makes it almost impossible to find the address of old sites if you don't already know what you're looking for, and even then you still might not find anything There's a german search engine called Metager that I've switched to recently. I don't think it goes as far back as the 90s, but it generally doesn't give me as much SEO filler when I search for a particular term, and I've found a lot of random websites from the early 00s when using it. http://www.anthrozine.com/site/links.html https://www.flayrah.com/ (Still going! Who'd have guessed?) http://transform.to/~ravenb/lair.html >>1219 >Wonder 3 I hadn't heard of that series, but she's really cute. Thanks for sharing. >Captain Bokko frequently displays more-than-platonic affection towards the teenage human main character Shunichi I won't say anything except that doesn't surprise me, considering Tezuka also wrote/created Bagi the Monster of Mighty Nature, which was apparently a criticism of Japanese govt approval involving DNA sequencing and an excuse to have animators draw a nude catgirl fawning over the protagonist.

>>1221 >Ironclaw Huh. I remember one of my former game shops stocked a copy of Ironclaw (no idea which edition), but I never bothered picking it up to look at because I was more interested in Shadowrun, and if I wanted to splash on weird systems I'd never actually play then I would have gone for the copy of Nobilis they had. Or Paranoia XP. This reminds me that re-working CATastrophe is still on my eternal backburner; I still have the source files that the Catfolk Pilot dropped in our laps back on 8chan. Anyway, glancing at that /tg/ thread shows I probably didn't miss anything in book quality terms. Still, cool of you to go through it like that. Still can't quite believe that they actually drew up furry Lina Inverse as a sample character. >Bagi the Monster of Mighty Nature I recognise her mainly from all the kemono art the Japanese drew of her back in the day (and by "the Japanese" here I mean mainly Dr. Comet). Never saw her source material. >webm Oh, well, at least she's displaying catlike behavio- >"Smell my fur!" ...Tezuka, you fuck. It's not fair to do that to kids, not when you've cast a voice like that for your furry love interest. >mp4 I wonder what the Nippon TV programming executives thought of all this when they watched it before airing. You've got to hand it to the man - he got done what he wanted to do.

>>1221 >>1222 I also found this interesting synopsis of Bagi by the late animation historian Fred Patten, who seems to have had direct correspondence with Tezuka about the film: https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/the-tezuka-pro-tv-specials-6-baghi-the-monster-of-mighty-nature/ >Dr. Tezuka told me in a letter that he made Baghi especially for me. Ha ha. Tezuka knew of my liking for anthropomorphic animals, and he was quite a kidder. Still, I like to think that he did have me in mind a few times while he made this TV movie. Tezuka was more involved in it than usual. >I do believe one detail that he told me. In the original story development, when Ryosuke as a little boy gets the kitten who will grow into a cat-woman, he says, “I’m going to name her Baghi, like Bagheera in Kipling’s Jungle Book!” That line was cut out in the production. So to anyone who did not talk with Tezuka himself (or his staff, I suppose), the translation of the Japanese katakana characters BA and GI as “Bagi” is perfectly reasonable. (The translation as “Baggy” is not reasonable.) However, her name will always be spelled “Baghi” to me, since I think that is how Dr. Tezuka meant it, and otherwise the name “Bagi” is meaningless. >Baghi was extremely popular with early Furry fans in the mid-‘80s, but judging by all of the fan art on the Internet, Baghi: The Monster of Mighty Nature seems to be a more recent fan favorite and not just with the Furry fans. Given Fred Patten's apparent familiarity with furries combined with his role as an animation historian, his site may well be a good resource to dig through for one type of furry history.

This thread reminded me of an artist I'd seen posted elsewhere on the web ring a few months ago named Jay Axer. His earliest postings on DeviantArt are from around 2005, so he might be at the very tail end of the time period we're talking about, but I think his art was and still is good enough to be worth mentioning. If nothing else, the design of his dragon character Leigh screams early 00s, as do the rest of his characters: they all seem to be some kind of nondescript military operators who wear cool-looking jackets, tank tops and camo pants. I also really like the way he draws clothing. >>1222 >Ironclaw Yeah, it's a real mess of a system in 1E. 2E is better but the cover is absolutely hideous and actual furfags would rather play Pathfinder or DND5E. It's kind of funny how systems designed specifically for anthro characters like Ironclaw or Furry Pirates (yes, there's really a system called Furry Pirates) are eschewed in favour of reworking more generic systems. >>1223 Y'know, I've never actually watched the animation. I guess I should do that in order to appreciate what I'm coming to realize is a landmark of anthro art history.

>lose my entire post FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Anyway. I had started looking into the history of webcomics after this thread reminded me of all the furry webcomics I read when I was younger. I had thought these webcomics were simply part of the larger net of webcomics as a whole, but after watching a webcomics history video I realized that there was a reason why furry webcomics seemed to be their own subgenre or class within the broader internet. The videos in question are here, and I think they're both worth a watch if you're interested in internet history or webcomic history. The first one is generally better but the second one has some good points too. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Jwcv9YR1n7w https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Jwcv9YR1n7w The main factor I hadn't considered was that the people who created the early internet were one of two types: computer scientists, and university students with access to computer science labs. Turns out that a large portion of these people tend to be furries compared to the rest of the population (hmm, wonder why). This had a few runoff effects on the internet landscape in the 1990s: - It tended to be weird stuff that wouldn't fit anywhere else. - It tended to be link-driven. - You could do whatever you wanted. The polar opposite of the contemporary internet. It was only natural for people to use this space to talk about things that nobody else in meatspace would understand, like how to draw a furry character or what kind of extremely specific HDD you should buy to make your CompSci class's machine run faster. One thing that has sort of come full circle is the prevalence of text in a visual medium like comics. Computer scientists are generally not artistic people, and many of the gag-a-day comics from the 90s were almost exclusively focused on text. Pic 3 is a strip taken from Skin Horse (ignore the filename), which is a webcomic that started in 2007 and is still going. It's very similar to the artist's previous work, Narbonic (pic 4), which was almost exclusively text jokes and simple sketch drawings. I think that's very indicative of webcomics as a whole - if there's no text, how is the audience supposed to tell what's going on? I had some more to say but I've run out of steam now so I'll just end this post here. I'm interested to hear if any of you was as invested in webcomics as I was. I wouldn't consider myself an expert but when I was a kid I did think it was incredible that I could read hundreds of webcomics for free.

>>1240 I used to love webcomics. I read a lot of them in years past, but the only "furry" webcomic I still read is Freefall, which has been going since 1998 and which I still read weekly today. I think it's a great example of a furry comic that's has points of interest outside the fact that it has a furry character, and actually funny. It's also slow - very, very slow - but I've never minded it because each strip delivers something without much filler that I remember. Apparently the characters were first used as early as 1989 as occasional appearances in YARF! (subline "The Journal of Applied Anthropomorphics"), which is another piece of print history I've never actually seen. Apart from Freefall I also read Sabrina Online, but I don't remember many other furry webcomics holding my interest even when I actively sought them out. I did read a lot of other webcomics at the time, though I'm honestly struggling to remember them. I remember Real Life, Mac Hall... damn, I read so many but remember so few. >The main factor I hadn't considered was that the people who created the early internet were one of two types: computer scientists, and university students with access to computer science labs. Turns out that a large portion of these people tend to be furries compared to the rest of the population (hmm, wonder why). Undeniably correct. Also, don't forget the underground guys who migrated into the WWW proper as BBSes and dedicated hardware platforms like the Amiga died out. That lead to an interesting clash of cultures and many misunderstandings as the heavily academic/student WWW/Usenet "MIT hacker"-type denizens encountered the people who'd cut their teeth in the earlier demoscene/warez cultures, which were nearly polar opposite in much of their aesthetics and ways. That caused the whole hacker/cracker worddispute that dragged on for years and years even after the general public and media stopped giving a shit approximately 7 seconds after learning of it. (Then, as now, the furry fandom had more than its fair share of infosec types.) There were also the Usenet alt-culture people (esp. BDSM), who heavily overlapped with both of the aforementioned groups, and who also donated a chunk of their people to furry fandom as it came online. >It was only natural for people to use this space to talk about things that nobody else in meatspace would understand, like how to draw a furry character or what kind of extremely specific HDD you should buy to make your CompSci class's machine run faster. The early connectivity that Usenet and the WWW gave to niche interests had an absolutely explosive effect on them. I once talked to a high-level miniature wargaming paint-guy who told me about the miniatures/garage kit painting scene pre-Usenet and how the state of the art (so to speak) advanced very slowly. But as Usenet became more prevalent, scanners/digital cameras appeared, and the ability to connect with others as interested as you were, techniques and results suddenly exploded in quality. I think the furry fandom was the same, though they seem to have had a much stronger journaling/zine scene before moving online. >Computer scientists are generally not artistic people, and many of the gag-a-day comics from the 90s were almost exclusively focused on text. Very true, but I suspect that was a later development. Pic 5 here is from "Doctor Fun", which was the first WWW-distributed comic (though not the first Internet-distributed comic) that first appeared in 1993, back when you could subscribe to an actual weekly email newsletter called "What's New on the Web" that contained 99% of the new sites/updates to the WWW that week. It used the single panel with caption style popularised by Gary Larson's The Far Side. The creator was David Farley, who at the time was a technician in the University of Chicago. In my mind, the WORDS WORDS WORDS style came a little later and was associated with the first wave of aspiring artists who could sling strips and wanted to tell stories but who hadn't yet quite mastered brevity. I might be wrong though; I think a proper tracing of early webcomic efforts by year might reveal some interesting insights.

>>1242 Man, I've never even heard of this but just looking at the art style made me nostalgic. I've heard that wall writing is unironically the voice of the ancient people. Webcomics are really that for our internet. Just people making a Sunday Funny with much less practice or skill or humor, but with a million times more commitment. Anyone else who's read Basic Instructions?

>>1243 is that the webcomic that Cracked later featured? I remember one of the characters having a goatee and reminding me of Louis C.K. If that's the one, he looks more like Kane from Command & Conquer than I remember.

>>1244 Wouldn't know about that, chief, although I remember reading Cracked a lot I never truly think I really liked much of it other than like a couple of articles about bootleg toys and the ones about tabletops. Anyhow, the guy used to be really funny. I think I liked it best when he didn't copy and paste his characters all the time, that is, for the first twenty or so comics before he streamlined them a lot. But there's still a ton of comedy gold in there.

I used to be all over shitty webcomics in the 00s. Mainly the ones hosted on Keenspot. There was this furry comic called Twokinds that was just another crappy Keenspot comic back then, but now the author is making good money on Patreon. I also read El Goonish Shive, also nowadays making good money on Patreon. >>1240 You posted the same link twice anon.

>>1242 >Freefall I remember reading that one. It's good, but the format made me get pretty tired of it; as you said, it moves VERY slowly, but the setting is still really cartoony and not grounded. I remember there was one random secondary character near the start who was bald as a result of gene therapy - something about spacer/colonist types adjusting better on ships if they didn't have hair to get in the way. >"furry" webcomic It's funny you mention that; I remember one particularly shitposty comic that made a joke about "Florence Ambrose nude pics" for some reason, but I can't for the life of me remember the context. Might have been a crossover event, although nothing with that kind of punchline would have been officially endorsed by Freefall. Now that I'm thinking more about it, I recall there being a lot of crossover events for webcomic communities in the 00s. Many of the artists were e-friends and would routinely draw guest strips for April Fool's Day and other reasons. There was a lot of healthy cross-pollination, which was a consequence of the early internet was so link-driven like I mentioned before. I can't count the number of webcomics that I read and didn't like, but whose link/related sections got me hooked on something else. Everything is "found" using search algorithms and big data now. >the heavily academic/student WWW/Usenet "MIT hacker"-type denizens encountered the people who'd cut their teeth in the earlier demoscene/warez cultures You've probably already seen it, but Frederick Knudsen's internet documentary on furries has some screenshots and description of what the prehistoric internet was like. Hardware servers that used scanline technology to draw vector letters; their main purpose was to share files and other things at speeds we'd consider beyond glacial by modern standards. The overall tone of the documentary is way too positive (apparently Knudsen developed a fursona while creating it), but there's a lot of good information: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8aF2GxWi7Ag >>1247 >twokinds I remember that one; had a lot of genderbending and slaves who liked being slaves. It was total trash but my stupid weeb kid mind thought it was entertaining and that the chicks had big boobs. If the artist is making good money, it's not due to the comic being good, I can say that for certain. >You posted the same link twice anon. FUCK https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lQW8hW2sNy0 This is the worse of the two webcomic documentaries, but it's still pretty good.

>>1246 I liked their listicles about things like history and odd topics. I must have stopped reading Cracked.com around nine or ten years ago, since they really went downhill.

>>1207 >>>/kemono/ is treated more as a bunker, the thread on prolikewoah is far more active (even smug to a lesser extent) https://prolikewoah.com/animu/res/31473.html https://smuglo.li/a/res/815382.html I'm not familiar with the older kemono artists, but older uploads on boorus (gelbooru, e621, etc) often have art from earlier periods. gelbooru deprecated its anthro tags, but I found a couple 90s artists on e621 I've never seen before. Uploaded in order: karabiner https://e621.net/artists/239 macop https://e621.net/artists/1354 m.wolverine I also found this last image during my search. I guess some things never change.

>>1272 >I also found this last image during my search. I guess some things never change. A cat is fine too.

Probably not specific to furries, but I think what I miss the most about older art was artists actually improving their style over time. Now many of them just stagnate and collect Patreon bux. >>1244 >>1246 >>1249 >Cracked Don't remind me.

>>1492 I honestly don't mind it when artists stagnate, considering how many of them actively seek to make their art worse. Begging for money on Patreon and other paywall sites is shameful, but at least sites like Kemono.party help me to get past paywalls (and most people who do beg like that usually produce nothing but garbage).

This is a bit old and it's not what we'd really call furry, but I thought it would be of interest to anyone reading this thread. These are some paintings by the artist Joanna Karpowicz: https://joannakarpowicz.pl/. The guy who posted them in the kemono thread on /animu/ claimed they were from 1976, but according to the artist's website they're from 2012-2020. I tried to dig a bit deeper and found that the Polish publisher who's producing an art book with the full collection of the paintings actually has a website that would quality for /retro/ status. Just look at it: https://sklep.timof.pl/preorder/main.php?page=basket The paintings are a bit simple (Anubis's head is literally just a flat silhouette in many of them) but I find that they have a certain je-ne-sais-quois. There's something appealing about them that I just can't describe, and it might be that the simple style really contributes to that. Anubis has such a distinctly human figure, but the obvious canine head atop it is a really sharp contrast.

>>2351 That poor dog...

>>2351 Did you really have to bump the thread just to post that?

>>2357 yes.

>>1088 >>1089 >>1093 >>1094 So what happened to furries? I know fetish porn has been a thing with them since forever, but old drawings like this have far more personality than the shit that gets posted now. Is it my biased nostalgia for the 90s/00s art styles, or did they just try harder than the modern furfags on patreon?

>>2375 >Is it my biased nostalgia for the 90s/00s art styles, or did they just try harder than the modern furfags on patreon? Some of column A, some of column B. Also survivor bias, furries learning from furries, and reification. Remember that this thread's examples are often from the upper end of the furry artists who practiced at the time, who came from backgrounds with actual training in animation, illustration, and art. There was much more content floating around by completely untalented, uneducated, unpracticed furry artists (some of which is also ITT), but because it was shit nobody bothers remembering it. You can browse some corners of the VCL (http://us.vclart.net/vcl/) to see what I mean, although it seems to be having a database problem at the moment. >>1203 explains the furries learning from furries and reification bit: >Anyone learning to draw anthro characters won't be learning from Warner Brothers cels, Disney stills, or mascots - they'll be learning directly from the furry fandom's considerable body of work. That in turn will influence their developing style, baking less innocent elements into their final works. If you filtered out all the dross from this era, you'd probably some a few artists working with furries who're creating interesting art at an effort level more like some of the stuff above. Also, maybe one or two of the Patreon leeches might end up developing into something interesting, like how Tracy Butler went from generic 1990s-uguu to drawing Lackadaisy.

Check out http://www.furry.org.au/ and especially the http://furry.org.au/chakat/ subpage! Warning: some NSFW.

A small sample of old furry art. Neither of them were ever uploaded on that terrible site named after a food additive.

>>2375 I encountered something recently that made me think about the topic you raised. I think it's partially what >>2376 said, in that "how to draw a furry" has become a lot more streamlined and smooth than it used to be, and the same can be said of many hobbies and art media from cartoons to film. As easy as it would be to chalk things up to subhuman hodes with smartphones and tablet PCs, I think there is a secondary factor. For whatever reason, there don't seem to be any kinds of subcommunities within "the furry fandom" that aren't infected by some kind of poz or obsession with some kind of fetish - no large subcommunities, anyway. Modern video games and film and music are cancerous but there are still groups of people within the indie scenes of those media that make passion projects for themselves, and there are influencers/bloggers who ensure that people who want the niche stuff can find it. I can't think of any equivalent group in the furry fandom, who want to focus on cute or SFW drawings, or who disavow all the poz and sparkledog faggotry that inevitably follows furries. Possibly this is due to the wider culture war, or due to most furries not-so-secretly being perverts. If you know of any group like this aside from the doomed Burned Furs, then please tell me because I'd like to know. The closest thing I can think of was a furcon held for furries who would be cancelled from normal furcons for being problematic, but even that still had fursuiters and various flavours of attention whore. But, anyway, here's what I encountered recently: I was browsing e621 the other day, looking up scalie female. After skimming the first couple pages I realized that there were 750 pages in total, and I got curious as to what was at the back of the archive. I went to page 500 and found . . . Susie the lizard/dinosaur from Deltarune, which released in 2018. Even by page 650 I was still in 2017, seeing pictures of Salazzle, a pokemon that only began to exist in 2016. Page 700 was recent enough to have Princess Ember from MLP:FiM. The single earliest image I could find under these tags was from 2015. No, I did not fap to these specific pictures. I'm just saying. Now, obviously, the results for something more popular like canine or feline would have a more comprehensive timeline, but even a quick search for "reptile female" or "lizard female" returned fewer pages of results overall so I think my search was decent enough without being a tag that includes literally almost everything ever drawn. I'm not sure what the technical term for this intersection of media and data storage would be, but the ratio of stuff that is practically archived compared to the stuff that is absolutely created is growing. There's also a run-off factor here, in that things made recently tend to be favoured by modern search engines, and things made recently tend to be made for modern search engines. You've probably noticed that finding obscure stuff is really hard unless you use a weirdo search engine like MetaGer. The recency bias (and the bias towards stuff/creators that have been influenced by the culture war) is absolutely suffocating. Even if someone wanted to reject modern furry culture, where the fuck would he go? How would he find any kind of alternative? Sorry if this was kind of long-winded. It's a bit late where I am and I wanted to get my thoughts down before going to bed.

>>2559 >second spoiler I was referring to the pictures on e621; it was meant to be a joke that became somewhat muddled. The pics I attached were to contribute some art to the thread since I really like Jay Axer's style even if he is a footfag.

Also, talking about old furry art reminded me of an old website I found on a longshot four years ago when I was looking for Ironclaw resources and asked the GM of literally the only Ironclaw campaign session recording on YouTube for advice. I'm so glad I found this; I actually went to the trouble of printing off and cutting out the character illustrations and wedging them into little foam blocks so they could stand up on a map. I had forgotten the URL and I was worried the site had gone offline in the meantime. Feast your eyes: http://greywolf.critter.net/ironclaw/paper.htm Strangely, Ironclaw is not very popular among furries even though it's tailor made for them. Most of them prefer D&D5e or Pathfinder.

>>2561 >ye >ya I see that furries still try to maintain typing quirks as part of a quest to roleplay everywhere, all the time.

>>2561 hello Ht81tcE75ErS ;^) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WYExFRXXwk https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD8S6N2Iv52biI-lPuxISAA

>>2565 >i found a channel with a meaningless username and no content after i was told exactly where to look for it Do you want a medal for being autistic?

>>2566 yes please daddy give me the chunky monkey

>>2559 >Even if someone wanted to reject modern furry culture, where the fuck would he go? How would he find any kind of alternative? Your best bet would be to visit old furry forums or BBS's that still exist and browse those. Otherwise create a new community with strict rules on what is or isn't allowed.

>>1121 >For more Information on the art >of James Bender, email; I'm learning to draw and this seems like a good idea. Every art site has something about it that's unappealing. I don't want to learn self-hosting because I already waste too much time procrastinating. I'm not interested in playing the social media game nor chasing the patreon bux. Just make it less intrusive and share my drawings with anons.

>>1492 Cracked.com was always a shitty clickbait site. Now it's just SJW shitty clickbait.

>>2688 I found it both entertaining and informative back in the day. Of course I was a teenager, but still.

>>2688 You're not wrong, but at least some of the articles were interesting or informative without a blatant political bias.

I started reading Lackadaisy the other day after putting it off for over a decade because I heard it's getting adapted into a short film. It's a strikingly beautiful comic, and has reminded me how awesome the internet is for allowing me to see things like this completely free of charge. The pacing is pretty snappy but not afraid to spend many pages (which themselves are quite large) on a particular event if it seems natural. A lot of traditional comics were slaves to deadlines and advertisements for kids' toys and breakfast cereals, which made it impossible to read the actual content without skimming past them. You couldn't pitch an idea like Lackadaisy (Prohibition-era gangster drama in monochrome sepia with cat people) to someone like Marvel or DC and expect it to fly, and even if you were accepted you wouldn't be getting the same support as Superman or Spiderman. Has anyone else been going around and reading stuff you put off for a long time?

>>2832 I saw some of the teasers. They look surprisingly good. I’m cautiously hopeful.

>>2833 Yeah, the only thing I don't like is that one of the French characters is voiced by a negress and doesn't speak with the type of accent that her phonetically written accent would imply.

>>2837 Frenchfag here. If only you knew how bad things really are. Due to our colonial history and thanks to the francophony we have a lot of Africans here. And as we say, due to le Droit de l'Homme and le Valeurs de la République, everybody in the world is french by default. So in a certain way, having french characters whose voice sounds niggerish makes perfct sense. You haven't idea how many the french people love the niggers.

>>2839 I know there are a fair number of Francophone Africans thanks to the colonial history of the nation and its proximity to Africa, but this is a Francophone in America. It's far more likely that she'd be white, either by being French or by being Cajun. The accent makes this even more clear: they don't seem to talk with any kind of pure French accent; I'm pretty sure it's meant to be Cajun French. >everybody in the world is french by default Pretty based.

>>2893 >I'm pretty sure it's meant to be Cajun French. I mean yeah, obviously. And cajun's are mostly black. The New Orleans stereotype is black-french, how can you be confused or shocked by this? If the character is being voiced by a black-french american nigger then it's literally perfect casting.

>>2900 I've only ever seen white Cajuns in media and I hate niggers.