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leftypol wants to join the webring. Anonymous 06/11/2021 (Fri) 05:54:30 No.14926
Hello, anons. Leftypol is considering joining the webring. I am curious to get a little feed back from some of the community here about the situation and what everyone thinks about it? Obviously they are leftists, however, they are a rather large board in comparison to the other boards that are floating around the net and I am curious as to everyones opinion here is on this.
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My opinion is that it would be a means of subversion, intended or not. There's no politics board in the webring and they want to bring a big politics board that doesn't align with the "common" political standing (non-leftist) around the webring. It's like Islamic immigration to a European country, even if they enter through "legal means" that doesn't mean it won't fuck up your homeland due to them being politically motivated and having extremely different world views. I'd be fine with it if there was also a /pol/ board of reasonable popularity for contrast. If I wanted to swim among leftists agenda pushers and the kind of personalities that such politics invites then I'd go to literally any other website on earth than an imageboard.
>>14926 >do we want a batch of lolcows and the drama that comes along with them Well, it's up to anons to decide.
I think >we can make fun of them and not have them on the webring.
I wouldn't want any political imageboard, period. Don't give a fuck if they are left or right wing.
I vote no. I left 4 chan's /k/ because it was overrun with politics, defeatism, and the culture war. I doubt this place would stay chill if we let in a /pol/ thread. /pol/ is the reason I left /k/, and leftypol would either overwhelm the discussion, and/or create a backlash. Furthermore, if they're prone to drama, the'll probably complain to their friends, and bring them in to stir shit up. And there's the possibility of people PAID to shit up discussions (if they exist) finding this place, and REALLY unleashing a shitstorm. If they aren't cancer now, they will be during the next election year, or after. When (could be 4 years, or more) /theirguy/ doesn't get elected, they'll go into overdrive. My guess is it is way more trouble for the mods than it is worth.
>>14926 I agree with what >>14927 said, the only way it could be just if there was another competing politics board against them to have that duality and not a single one subvert around. /fascist/ got away so that second half doesn't exist and to be fair i rather have no politic boards around than two, either way our stances are clear as we can openly speak about anything. >>14931 >I left 4 chan's /k/ because it was overrun with politics >I doubt this place would stay chill if we let in a /pol/ thread >stir shit up My guess is that you didn't see /fascist/ around then, that means you just made an incorrect guess apart from outing yourself as a brand new friend. You are still in the right in terms of feelings but your facts were almost subversive in nature.
I see no issue. Casual exposure to more non-4chan users would be nice and stop our non-/k/ boards dying from attrition. We coped with /cow/ fine and they're literally dedicated to causing drama in other places. What boards would Leftypol bring to the table, apart from /leftypol/? >>14927 >There's no politics board in the webring We literally hosted /fascist/ on the webring for over a year with no webring-related complaint. Religious boards (which have politics attached) continue to be hosted. To suddenly pretend the webring is anti-politics seems insincere. >>14931 >Furthermore, if they're prone to drama, the'll probably complain to their friends, and bring them in to stir shit up. What friends?
>>14933 What's insincere is pretending that some obscure religious board or /fascist/ which had like 10 users is the same as bringing in /leftypol/, which according to the screenshot has 5 times more posts than the most popular /v/ in the webring. >/fascist/ on the webring for over a year with no webring-related complaint People in the webring are generally neutral towards /fascist/ ideas, but are often outright hostile towards /leftypol/. There's a natural schism between 8chan derived imageboards and what /leftypol/ is, that board was hated by almost everyone even back in 8chan.
The thing about political boards is that it's going to attract drama no matter which way they lean. /pol/ caused trouble on 8chan by attracting feds and falseflag posters to "terraform" the site into the perfect boogeyman. That, in turn, brought legitimate right-wingers who swarmed the site, made dozens of political/conspiracy boards, and flooded all the interesting boards off the front page i still miss /imgbc/ goddammit. Also helped the anti-GG crowd back when that shitshow was relevant, by giving them ammo to associate GG with nazis. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if the aGG crowd had a hand in all that. /leftypol/ might seem innocuous since they claim to be against identity politics, but every lefty I've seen who claims to "know better" is still annoying. They still circlejerk over screenshots of low-hanging fruit conservatives, they still link to generic breadtuber video essay #624524 in lieu of explaining their points, there's still troons willing to start a fight over the slightest criticism of them. You let them in, there'll be a deluge of "reee >>>/pol/ >>>/pol/ >>>/pol/" towards every post that criticizes current-year politics. Even if /leftypol/ might be against said politics too, their presence will attract leftists who aren't. And at that point you may as well have ex-goons running the webring because there won't be any difference.
>>14934 >/fascist/ which had like 10 users That was in the worst of cases, it was easily the most active board in the site and usually a top 3 in the webring, yet they usually wandered in their own board only and to be fair a decent portion of the anger towards them is that they rarely lurked and posted in other boards here to help in activity, ironically. The rest is correct. >>14935 >/pol/ caused trouble on 8chan by attracting feds The mods attracted feds because they actively recruited from mainstream sites and banned the locals for sometimes being too extreme, staff was more of a problem than the others peeking in. >That, in turn, brought legitimate right-wingers Oh so you mean the majority wasn't conservative/right-leaning/third-position friendly before them? come on now. >and flooded all the interesting boards off the front page I don't recall that happening. >by giving them ammo to associate GG with nazis Didn't need to, that was already a factor back in 4cham. You are starting to glow.
Do you want a fast death or a slow death? Invite the forces of destruction and you will face destruction sooner, rather than later. This applies to both poles of the political spectrum.
>>14926 They deleted the thread, so I'm assuming they either gave up or stopped asking their users. My two cents: on the one hand, I really like it that new imageboards get added to the 'ring, especially since it's another place to host boards that don't fit in the rest of these websites. On the other hand, I'd absolutely hate agitprop from either left or right. The only way for this to work is if we add another right-leaning political IB upon adding them.
>>14934 I think we should just postpone it until we have numbers high enough that their presence is an addition and not an issue.
I don't understand the argument of "we need to balance them with a right-wing board", especially from people claiming the webring is right-wing sympathetic at present. Wouldn't leftypol faggots be that balance? >>14927 >There's no politics board in the webring We have many explicitly politics boards already, such as: >https://tvch.moe/dup/ >https://fch.bet/wp/ >https://erischan.org/gov/ along with politics constantly on /k/, /b/, /int/ and religious boards boards. >>14934 >People in the webring are generally neutral towards /fascist/ ideas, but are often outright hostile towards /leftypol/. Holy mother of bias! This is bullshit. For starters, /fascist/ calls for the genocide of a significant amount of webring users. It's not some straight white non-disabilities club. I've seen some webring boards get along fine with self-admitted /leftypol/ users too and even make art for them. >that board was hated by almost everyone even back in 8chan Not really. They only ever seemed to annoy the political boards like /pol/. I browsed 10 smaller boards and no-one cared about them ever. We just got /pol/ and /christian/ copypasta spam mail a few times a week and that was it. >>14938 Looks like they just moved it to the /meta/ board.
Religious boards are not political.
>>14941 >/dup/ Everything there is ironic, starting from the name of the board
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>>14941 The very name /leftypol/ has become a borderline insult word, just try to speak about it in positive light literally anywhere and people will shit into your mouth. >Wouldn't leftypol faggots be that balance No it fucking wouldn't. Firstly that board is about as big as the biggest boards in the webring, there's nothing even remotely like that for other political leanings. Secondly it's different to have a direct political force in the form of a board than it is for people to have certain beliefs. This is like arguing for building a massive mosque in a town of Christians and then justifying it as being for "balance". You're tipping the scale to an opposing side than the host culture, not balancing it. >We have many explicitly politics boards already Using some dead boards on cartoon/non-english imageboards that go months without posts as a counterpoint is nothing short of malicious. The one board you could make an argument for is /dup/, but that on the other hand is almost entirely shitposting and spam, it's basically /b/ with a political tint. For the intent and purpose of the argument there has been no political board in the webring to contrast /leftypol/ ever since /fascist/ was deleted.
seems cool, we need fresh blood.
>>14938 >The only way for this to work is if we add another right-leaning political IB upon adding them. This is just begging for that board to be a controlled opposition (or get turned into one)
>>14943 It literally isn't all ironic. Some of it, sure, but half at best. >just try to speak about it in positive light literally anywhere and people will shit into your mouth. Escape your bubble. Counter-example: https://erischan.org/b/res/4117.html >This is like arguing for building a massive mosque in a town of Christians and then justifying it as being for "balance". You're tipping the scale to an opposing side than the host culture, not balancing it. Not even close. It's like building a signed road between a majority Christian secular nation and a majority Hindu nation, to replace the dirt track between them. Both of them still existed. Both of them knew the other existed. One is not moving inside the other. If there was any intent on malicious invading it would have happened regardless of whether or not a small list of webring boards is on the header of the site. >For the intent and purpose of the argument there has been no political board in the webring to contrast /leftypol/ ever since /fascist/ was deleted. If /fascist/ caused little issue, why would /leftypol/? The only issues /fascist/ caused were internal to anon.cafe because they shared an overboard and three or four of them were pushing politics or trolling onto other anon.cafe boards, which was rejected. I don't see how /leftypol/, who were of similar size and will remain hosted on their own website, is somehow worse. >>14942 This tbh.
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Add them. If they act like faggots, kick them. It's not like we don't already do that with all the /pol/fags shitting on clean boards, and thewre's far more of them than leftyfags. >>14947 >Hindu more like atheist
>>14947 >Escape your bubble. Counter-example: https://erischan.org/b/res/4117.html No you're the one in a bubble, you keep using these tiny and/or dead boards as arguments when I'm talking about the webring in a more overall sense. A dead politics board in a bright pink themed imageboard that worships some cartoon character will not even begin to "balance out" anything, I don't even know how you can think that it's a valid argument against what you replied with it to. I use many of the biggest boards across multiple imageboards in the webring and a few in anon.cafe, what I'm saying is based on what I see in them overall. People don't always agree with /pol/ but most people at the very least accept national socialist concepts and imagery, how much of it is purely ironic it's hard to say. What people do appear to overwhelmingly agree on is to be against leftist politics though, and I've never seen is /leftypol/ being mentioned in a positive context without subsequently being shat on until you pulled some thread from one of the smallest webring members that I don't happen to use because there's a bigger version of the same board in zzzchan. My mistake for using the word "literally", I guess. >It's like building a signed road between a majority Christian secular nation and a majority Hindu nation, to replace the dirt track between them. This analogy is starting to become too stretched but in this comparison the Hindu nation would be militaristically religious while the Christian nation would be passive and neutral. As already said, /leftypol/ is explicitly about politics while almost all of the webring activity is in non-politics boards. Let me put it this way, if the website was fagchan.org where everyone was leftist and they had boards for various topics, but no explicitly leftist politics board, I would have no problem with it. The problem is caused by the fact that the main attraction is /leftypol/. >If /fascist/ caused little issue, why would /leftypol/? Are you jewish by chance? I'm noticing you're repeating talking points that were just addressed as if they weren't.
>>14945 I don't think /leftypol/ is the place to get it, unfortunately.
>>14950 >I don't even know how you can think that it's a valid argument against what you replied with it to. Listing multiple explicitly political boards is a valid rebuttal to the false assertion "There's no politics board in the webring". Shifting the goalposts doesn't make it an invalid response you jewish nigger. >People don't always agree with /pol/ but most people at the very least accept national socialist concepts and imagery [...] >What people do appear to overwhelmingly agree on is to be against leftist politics though 'Not care about' is a better phrase than 'accept', and I haven't seen much of that except for on zzzchan, /k/ and a few 'dead boards' which apparently don't matter because they're small or slow. Even /k/ here, who have a solid 'right-wing' bias, doesn't loose their shit when someone posted a screencap from /leftypol/'s anti-Zionism: >>>/k/15752 . That's not some obscure dead board. The /krautchan/ communism thread up right now has multiple responses in support of either communism or anarchism (that is, the epitomes of /leftypol/ politics) and the /sp/ threads about the European Super League had many anons calling the Liverpool fans 'based' for displaying communist imagery and slogans. That's not overwhelming. Just because you browse different boards with lots of ex-8/pol/ immigrants making it popular doesn't mean you can speak on behalf of the webring or invalidate boards that are slower by saying the webring is overwhelmingly against something you don't see much of. >The problem is caused by the fact that the main attraction is /leftypol/. The main attraction to anon.cafe was /fascist/. That was the majority of our incoming users and of our traffic. So what? Looking at their PPH right now, almost half of Leftypol's traffic goes to non-political boards (/b/, /hobby/, /anime/, /music/). That's a much better split than this site had. And they're not all leftists, unless you think monarchists, nazbols, libs and ancaps are somehow leftist. >Are you jewish by chance? I'm noticing you're repeating talking points that were just addressed as if they weren't. If you mean by your 'everyone hates /leftypol/ and not /fascist/' argument, it's bullshit. Just because the imageboards in the webring you like to use have more vocal /pol/ users than vocal /leftypol/ users doesn't make it universal. No shit the /b/ board in zzzchan you use is overrepresented in anti-/leftypol/ types; the subtitle on the webring is "GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW". Hell, to pretend zzzchan doesn't 'balance' leftypol out in it's outspoken /pol/ tendencies is laughable. >inb4 it's ironic It's humorous and exaggerated, but it's clearly not ironic.
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Based as fuck. We need some more people to tell the eternal /pol/lacks to stop invading the small boards with their repetitive bullshit and calling everyone on hobby boards degenerates
>>14947 >It literally isn't all ironic. Some of it, sure, but half at best. /dup/ btfo
>>14954 how will they ever recover >>14949 this i doubt we'll get more than a couple anyway
The admins should add them on the word that they'll do whatever they can to curb interboard raids. I think that's why /fascist/ got booted more than their political nature, so there's no reason why we shouldn't add them under the same expectation.
>>14956 This sounds reasonable. Make sure their mods are on the same page before we add them, then kick 'em out like 8moe if they act in bad faith.
>>14956 i visit them a couple of times a month for happenings, and from what i heard they delete calls to raid on sight anyway due to 4/pol/ users false-flagging and linking to them to try and get them raided by other boards definitely check to be sure though, no harm in making it clear
>>14956 This. >>14936 >Oh so you mean the majority wasn't conservative/right-leaning/third-position friendly before them? come on now. Libertarian. As in, "hosting a pedophilia discussion board" liberty, not conservative or inherently left-or-right libertarian. The whole point of 8chan, like masterchan before it, was that you could make boards that other imageboards wouldn't allow. That's why it was filled with rule34 boards, furfaggotry and /hebe/, along with stuff that /co/ banned (loli and furry adjacent cartoons, porn in general, homestuck), that /mlp/ banned (porn), etc.. Before GamerGate was banned from 4chan, stormfags were almost never there because it was a cesspit of degenerates banned elsewhere.
>>14960 >stormfags *or conservatives or anyone similarly disgusted by "degeneracy".
>>14960 >Libertarian Are you really going to ignore the biggest board along with /v/ in the 2014 days was /pol/? >Before GamerGate was banned from 4chan they were almost never there That one is true but the presence was still there, and to be fair almost nobody had a sizeable print there before that exodus, i recall they had under-2000 posts there (meaning anon.cafe in its first year was much more active than 8chan pre-GG) i remember because i read most of it when i went there in September. >Stormfags Glow harder, but bias aside i think we all agree it's either having 2 sides or none around here, although despite the belief of some /fascist/ never caused trouble until the very end with the fed-bait posts.
>>14962 >/fascist/ never caused trouble Except for raiding and spamming other cafe boards of course.
>>14964 Proofs? >raiding I don't recall any but i could be mistaken, what i do remember is their BO staunchly being against any mention of it. >spamming The only thing i remember is some dudes spamming /christian/ and it was quickly solven by the fach BO banning anyone bragging about it and apologizing to the muslim BO (back then). And still, that episode was a year after they gathered here and their condition was noted by themselves.
>>14927 >there's no politics board on the webring >also this board is against the common webring politics You are part of the problem >inb4 leftypol shill My position is the same as >>14930, if you want political faggotry there's hundreds of facebook groups tailored to your specific flavor of retardation.
>>14967 >facebook groups While i am not in favor of having politics i have to say you are special kind of mouthbreather to think a facebook group is in any shape or form comparable to an imageboard in terms of discussion. Good day to you, SpeEd.
>>14952 >>14944 Those descriptions were put in place after some moron started advertising the webring on reddit in order to scare away normalfags. /fascist/ caused plenty of drama on anon.cafe when it was here. You should have seen the state of the /christian/ board back when /fascist/ was still here. /comfy/ even went unlisted for a while to keep the "how can anyone feel comfy when jews still exist" posters out.
>>14969 >You should have seen the state of the /christian/ board back when /fascist/ was still here. Being completely fair you can see the state of the board now and it's not much different, they separated again into beliefs about unit/trinity, gnostic afterfacts and bible literalness, King James' writtings being above prophets or not, so on and so forth. When the retard tourists came by to mess with them the discussion was in bad faith but resulted in that, discussion. Other than that i dare you to find another "drama" regarding them and another board.
>>14970 >Other than that i dare you to find another "drama" regarding them and another board. NTA but some of them were persistently raiding /islam/ every single day, including the Tarrant spammer, escalating into users citing Romanian law to try and have /fascist/ removed from the site. If that's not starting drama, I don't know what is. Furthermore they were often trying to shoehorn their violence-glorifying ideology into /comfy/ despite being unanimously told to fuck off, (which is a rare response to get on /comfy/), especially once the neinchan refugees arrived. Why are you so convinced /fascist/ dindu nuffin to the other boards on anon.cafe?
/fascist/ is gone, dead, and not coming back. It's got nothing to do with this topic. Why do /meta/ threads always get derailed so hard and fast?
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>>14962 >/fascist/ never caused trouble until the very end BLACKSHIRTS WERE GVD BOYS WHO DID NOT DO NVTHING! >>14969 >Those descriptions were put in place after some moron started advertising the webring on reddit in order to scare away normalfags. Thanks for explaining, I recall hearing about that advertising drama.
I'm their ideological opponent yet >>14956 has the best take on this. Add them, alert their mods to check on their users to avoid any possible assault or subversion of other boards, make all left leaning topics a bannable offense on non political boards and kick them out if they start bothering the users. There is no reason why we shouldn't add more boards to the Webring, unless said boards were hosted by pedos, feds or friends of Hotwheels (and apparently as far as the latter is concerned, it was just their ex Admin, who the current administration purged off of his own site). And by the way, I say this similarly for all politics related boards, whether right, left or centrist. The litmus test should be: if they're such lolcows that they start attracting unwanted attention, kick 'em.
>>14926 They will cause problems, whether it be through drama or subversion of other boards. /pol/acks shitting up discussion is tiring, but at the very least, right-wing political boards tend to shut up and stay out of the way more often than not. It will be more trouble than it's worth.
>>14975 >make all left leaning topics a bannable offense on non political boards That seems a bit extreme, assuming assuming all political based topics aren't also banned.
>>14968 How did you miss the whole Qtard drama? Imageboard culture is dead and buried among newcomers.
>>14968 >threads and replies with images VS >threads and replies with images Wow!
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