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Please remove 8chan.moe from your webring following list. Blacklist optional. Anonymous 05/12/2021 (Wed) 05:13:35 No.14384
As it stands, anon.cafe is the only site in the webring that is following 8chan.moe. Other sites have blacklisted the site in history for numerous reasons. This site is currently the only site in the entire webring that is following 8chan.moe. I'm here to convince you why you should stop doing that. 8chan.moe has been extremely unpopular amongst anons across the entire webring for numerous reasons. It's getting to a point that it is impossible to ignore the complaints. Please hear me out entirely. First is the fact that after many months and several lies, they have absolutely no interest in conforming to webring standards. They are one of the only sites in the webring that has failed to conform to fair practice in the webring by failing to fully implement the webring plugin. Very few sites have failed to do this, and the other sites are for the most part rather small. 8chan.moe however, is the largest site in the webring currently with the most activity, and they have failed to implement the webring after several months of being asked to. They have no interest in joining the webring properly. If you don't believe me and need proof, please read this thread: https://8chan.moe/site/res/1880.html Several months ago you blacklisted 8chan.moe from your site because they failed to properly implement the webring. They still haven't committed to fully and properly implementing the webring. When people complain, they ignore it. They have never been interested in properly implementing the webring. All they care about is that people from the webring get advertised to visit 8chan.moe and they have never had the good faith to enable the webring GUI on their site. It has been several months and they have not fixed it. They won't even respond to it anymore. The second biggest complaint is that they harbor Mark. Mark is known for bringing the press and other undesirables to anything he inhabits. The fear is that this could eventually infect the rest of the webring. However, without proper integration to the rest of the webring, this is honestly unlikely, but it is still a complaint that is raised. The third and most recent complaint is that 8chan.moe has begun to allow content that is not legal in the United States and is very likely not legal elsewhere. The United States is usually considered the pinnacle of free speech and even their limitations, such as the DOST test, are echoed around the rest of the world. This is what caused 8chan to be delisted on the only other site they were listed in the webring. Pic related. The fourth and final reason is just plainly that you cannot trust the word of Acid. He has made so many numerous promises to correctly implement the webring and even at the beginning he started the webring with some "peering agreement" thing which backfired at him. He decided to reverse that decision as soon as he became bombarded with webring users who complained at him. However, due to a lack of complaints about his extremely bad-faith nature and his flat-out lies about his intentions, his site has been allowed to be included in a substantial part of the webring for months now. It's time to remove his site from the webring and stop trusting him. My hope is that you will remove him from your following list which will remove him from the webring. I hope nobody in the future is ever suckered into adding back 8chan.moe. Thank you for reading this post.
I'm archiving the link of 8chan.moe staff refusing to implement the webring proper because if they catch wind of this thread, they may seriously try to delete the thread in order to damage control. It wouldn't surprise me by this point, Acid and Codex or whoever are notoriously bad faith. https://archive.ph/eiQHX
>As it stands, anon.cafe is the only site in the webring that is following 8chan.moe. uh I think it's still on zzzig bud and sports and here afaik only /a/ and julaynigs stopped hosting it, update your dnc pasta
>>14386 Incorrect. https://archive.ph/GisJX https://archive.ph/JqrL2 >dnc Go back to fucking 8moe.
>>14387 so it's on sports but blacklisted on zig? why I can I see it on the front page
>>14384 I agree completely. 8chan.moe's existence threatens to completely destroy any part of the webring that maintains ties with them. Even Gahoole from /tv/, who had previously considered Mark a friend, has had it with their blatant catering to pedophiles. Something has to be done.
>>14388 Congratulations on being the only retard who doesn't know how to read webring.json. Nobody follows 8chan.moe except anon.cafe. Numerous websites have blacklisted and some still do blacklist them to this very day. The only reason that 8chan.moe is still listed in the webring under the "known" list for sites is because anon.cafe follows them.
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>>14390 I am retarded but it looks this way to me fam
>>14391 That's the sportschan webring.json by the looks of it. Look at the first line, it's under "known" and not "following". Sportschan has only ever followed smug. Just look at the live data if you don't believe me: https://sportschan.org/webring.json
>>14392 ok thanks for clearing that up
>>14393 No problem. sorry for being so hard on you I guess kek
Many of our original reservations appear to have been borne out. As such, 8chan.moe's webring.json file is no longer being directly followed by Anon.cafe and 8chan.moe has been added to Anon.cafe's blacklist.
>>14395 Thank you, seriously.
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>>14395 Thanks a ton.
>>14395 Awesome, Admin. I can hardly say more than has already been said. Glad to see it.
>>14384 >The third and most recent complaint is that 8chan.moe has begun to allow content that is not legal in the United States and is very likely not legal elsewhere. They clarified that their global rules prohibit any picture of a minor if posted in a sexual context, including being posted on a board named /hebe/, no matter how innocent the photo might be in another context. https://8chan.moe/site/res/2514.html
>>14384 >>14395 I disagree with this choice, but as I don't own any Imageboard myself, my stake into this goes only as far as the boards I usually visit. Banning 8chan would also jeopardize relationship with the only board that lets users make bunkers by themselves with no strings attached. In addition, it also sucks for users of boards that are not 8/v/ (which is atrocious) and all paedo boards (which SHOULD NOT BE ON THE WEBSITE AT ALL ACID YOU FUCKING IDIOT). >First is the fact that after many months and several lies, they have absolutely no interest in conforming to webring standards. They are one of the only sites in the webring that has failed to conform to fair practice in the webring by failing to fully implement the webring plugin. Very few sites have failed to do this, and the other sites are for the most part rather small. 8chan.moe however, is the largest site in the webring currently with the most activity, This is the only part that I agree on 110%, it should be a necessary condition that they at the very least make some attempt at better indexing other Webring boards. What's weird to me though is that they haven't replied in kind yet. I've also seen anons trying to get /hebe/, at the very least, unindexed from the website. If it's of any consolation, the decision they made was met extremely critically by the majority of their userbase (barring GamerGoyim of course).
>>14395 good, fuck them >>14398 I've been looking for this, thanks
>>14403 >>14400 Seconding this, and asking the mods to reconsider. Obviously not now but if he grows enough of a spine to actually implement what people want. Unrelated, but the hebe guys are leaving on their own accord, so everyone fought on literally nothing
>>14404 No problem, m8.
>>14405 Kill yourself kiddie diddler, you're out. Go back to your FBI honeypot.
>>14384 8moe anon here, besides what >>14400 said about the whole illegal content situation being solved, it seems the shitstorm that's ensued has forced their team to start taking the webring plugin seriously instead of letting it rot. https://8chan.moe/v/res/25719.html#q307818 >The LynxChan add-on (we use the same one as every other LynxChan site, including Julay and Cafe) doesn't have support for manual de-listing, just indexing. However, I can probably hardcode an exception, and we were already tossing around the idea of not federating certain boards. >I'll dig through the spaghetti and see what I can do. Separating "indexed on the site" from "indexed on the webring" was on my to-do list for the new add-on anyways. Currently they're in talks with smug about learning how to prevent certain boards from appearing on the webring to prevent situations like this from happening again like >>14403 mentioned, but Acid's a nigger coder (he hasn't fixed this ID problem we have where IDs change daily for normal people and at random on Tor) and often maintains that he doesn't understand how the plugin works. I'd recommend getting a hold of them too to help https://8chan.moe/site/res/2514.html#q2549 https://smuglo.li/support/res/1.html#q6153 Codexx@cock.li (this guy isn't Acid but he's one of his head coders) Personally, as 8moe is the only place with any form of /pol/ or /co/ on the webring, I'm against banning it for selfish reasons and sentimental ones -- I don't want the last remnants of old 8ch scattered around the webring to be throwing each-other out like this.
>>14409 Same feelings here. But I think I understand why so many are grateful they're out, and that's all to do with just how incompetent their moderation team is. From letting Mark, a known and serial fuck up (and one of the sleaziest people on the planet) run their most important board, to the lackluster PR projects to even the website itself falling apart. But I still wish to keep them with us because 1) they provide a service that no other bunker currently has, namely the ability to create one without having to go through negotiations with the administration, and 2) outside of certain elements like /v/ and /b/, they're pretty much the same people we used to fuck around with on ol 8chan before it became infested with unbearable faggots and Qanon bullshit. If I was Codexx, I'd give some of the guys the boot (and apparently they have, given that the /b/ mod was retired).
>>14410 I do agree. Honestly, the fact that Acid gave Mark first-dibs to /v/ when it first started out without even letting it be in appeals first just because the kike paid money to get the site off the ground was something that really rubbed me the wrong way. But nonetheless, even if /v/'s the biggest board there's more communities there and I don't want them getting fucked over either. >outside of certain elements like /v/ and /b/, they're pretty much the same people we used to fuck around with on ol 8chan before it became infested with unbearable faggots and Qanon bullshit. If I was Codexx, I'd give some of the guys the boot A number of smug anons said the same thing in the /support/ thread, so you're clearly not alone in your thoughts. Making certain boards opt-out would be pretty helpful for curating. Smug's managed to make /support/ unlisted, so I'm hoping they can give pointers (but given it's vichan vs lynxchan, maybe the add-ons are different).
>>14411 >the fact that Acid gave Mark first-dibs to /v/ when it first started out without even letting it be in appeals first just because the kike paid money to get the site off the ground was something that really rubbed me the wrong way. The problem is that without any funding 8moe would not have been able to be hosted so soon after we lost our original home. But still, either Acid is broke and forced to be loyal to Cakekike and puts up with him, or he has been using Mark as a shield for criticism towards how he handles the board and PR (since Mark likes the spotlight and he knows that GamerGate keeps on living only because he's the only person who allows those threads). Either way, I don't really quite care about the two of them as much as the idea of keeping in touch with the actual anons who use the boards outside of /v/.
>>14410 >>14412 The thing is 8moe works as a sort of quality filter, whoever goes there (the top 3 only board anons) is not quite in the same tune as the rest of the webring (the niche board anons) which makes it a premier identifier. >they're pretty much the same people we used to fuck around with on ol 8chan before it became infested Highly debatable and personally i doubt it very much. See the old meta threads or ask anywhere, 8moe is universally despised even by strongly-aligned boards like Zzz/v/. It did everything wrong to catch the relaxed but dynamic anons of old, and anyone who uses it hasn't got a clue on their fellow anons IF they knew they even existed below those top 3 boards. It's basically a rural vs. urban anon fight and it's best to part ways as they will never grow up together, they didn't even back in the old place.
>>14413 z/v/ is just the 8/vg/ crowd. 8/v/ got split after 8ch died, but some of them are definitely posting in cake/v/ right now. Stop trying to d&c. The webring websites are super niche, there is no new blood coming in.
>>14414 >z/v/ is just the 8/vg/ crowd. 8/v/ got split after 8ch died Plus when the /vg/ on 8moe got made, its BO had a fat-finger moment and deleted the entire board by accident. By the time he remade it, everyone fucked off and the board's abandoned entirely now. >The webring websites are super niche, there is no new blood coming in. That's a problem for everyone, even 8moe.
>>14415 >That's a problem for everyone, Muh >"growth-just-for-the-sake-of-growth". Cancer philosophy. >even 8moe. blacked.mark.gov can die in a fire, obviously.
>>14400 Anything they do now is just damage control for being called out for being a pedo hive. Everything Mark gains control over is suspect.
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>>14409 >I'm against banning it for selfish reasons and sentimental ones -- I don't want the last remnants of old 8ch scattered around the webring to be throwing each-other out like this. >julay is pedos >hahahah yeah fuck those pedos! >tvch is cuckchanners >hahahah yeah fuck cuckchanners cucks! >zzzchan is a honeypot >hahahah yeah fuck those feds! >smug is trannies >hahahah yeah fuck those trannies! >plw is a dead shithole >hahahah fuck that dead shithole! >the webring is D&C also we hate it also it's a honeypot also bad >hahahah yeah fuck the webring ...but we're gonna join anyway! >8chan.moe is a honeypot for pedos and kike golems and their webring plugin isn't properly implemented thus we have decided to blacklist it >NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT FUCKING D&C NIGGERS WE'RE TOTALLY THE GOOD GUYS YOU HAVE TO GIVE US FREE PUBLICITY WE'RE THE REAL 8CHAN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MARK SAVE US You people have zero self awareness, zero. I swear to god only the bottom of the barrel dumbest motherfuckers use that travesty of a knockoff website. Consider suicide.
>>14418 >zzzchan is a honeypot >smug is trannies Hold on, when did these happen? I've never seen anyone call zzz a honeypot (that was always 8moe). When it came to smug, the primary complain is being uptight with automod shit or preferring plw to them (it's been called dead sometimes, but not a shithole). Rest of that's fair. I personally don't like /cow/ for shit-stirring and am ambivalent on tvch, but Mark's panic attack and disinfo about the webring (he might "only" be the /v/ BO, but he's Acid's butt-buddy and whatever the kike does reflects poorly on the rest) and Acid only choosing now to even try and start fixing up the plugin are good reasons to be bitter.
>>14418 >julay is pedos Julay is full of /cow/tards who screech about literally anything under the sun being pedophilia. I guarantee you could throw the entire site into autistic screeching by posting some loli. >zzzchan is a honeypot Did I miss something? >plw is a dead shithole Not really dead but definitely a shithole because staff have refused to do anything with it, I'm surprised that one time when it went down recently that it even came back. Reporting problems or making a request that is popular with basically 100% of anons on thie site is flat out ignored. Post quality is some of the worst in the webring as well, possibly the worst. Anon.cafe should blacklist them too for failing to fix their webring plugin even after tons of requests. >the webring is D&C ...What? Yeah, divide by uniting. Makes total sense. Literally who has ever said this? The only thing people say about the webring is that it "attracts undesirables" which is major citation fucking needed, there's been zero evidence of that at all, and the people who request removal from the webring are the ones doing the D&C.
>>14420 >Hold on, when did these happen? Never, they've always been FUD which is the point anon was making.
>>14420 Meidos being tranny jannies is so old I don't even know where it started. There might even be truth behind it, I have no idea. I've heard it plenty though.
>>14424 I'll take your word for it. Trannies usually worm their way into positions of power, but I would think /a/ is more diligent about that. >>14423 I would assume, but usually good FUD would need a grain of truth. "Julay is pedos" because of their overrreactions to loli and the whole Triangles thing, "8moe is a honeypot" because Acid is a known seller of funs to feds, etc. I never saw anything that would start the rumor of zzz being a honeypot. Is Pasta a gun-seller too or something?
>>14421 >Literally who has ever said this? He's talking about kikefat's D&C ongoing gayops attempting to burn down the webring. He was doing this even before Pig Jim booted his ugly ass. His sole intent from day one has been to try and destroy everything that wasn't under his control. He's a certifiable psychopath.
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>>14420 >>14421 >the blacked redditors spout so much nonsense they can't even keep up with who they called what Fellate a shotgun. >>14423 >>14427 Don't even bother trying to argue with them, it's like nailing jelly to a wall, you're only going to give yourself an ulcer.
>>14424 Their internal logs leaked recently, turns out there really was a tranny in there for about a month, Cyclegreen. Yes the same Cyclegreen from the /v/ trial. He was promptly fired once Tenicu realized that guy was a tranny. Amusingly at the time of the trial thread the meidos were talking about how fortunate it was nobody had ever found out that tranny had made it into the team for a month.
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>>14431 >Amusingly at the time of the trial thread the meidos were talking about how fortunate it was nobody had ever found out that tranny had made it into the team for a month. As in aiding and abetting a tranny despite knowing how people'd react? Jesus, why do secret IRCs always cause the worst cancers? >>14430 Nigger, most of these accusations had basis including the ones against 8moe. Drama's tiring so someone not wanting to dwell on it and its history is natural. I'm still skeptical of this "zzz honeypot" thing though -- everyone I'd see was pretty happy Pasta and his guys managed to recover from the Fatchan>Zchan double-shutdown. >>14421 >>14427 >the webring is D&C I remember that. Back then, Mark was so insistent on forcing everyone onto 8kun to "make 8ch whole again" he shut down the vch bunker and slandered anyone who pointed out it a half-dead shit and to come back to the webring as D&C -- then when he whistleblew on the secret loli and /pol/ ban Codemonkey instituted and everyone was forced to exodus, he meekly tried to reopen the bunker and pretend he wasn't a reckless retard.
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>>14434 >As in aiding and abetting a tranny despite knowing how people'd react? >>14431 >He was promptly fired once Tenicu realized that guy was a tranny.
>>14436 Shit, my bad.
>>14436 Actually wait a minute, doesn't that mean was Tenicu the only one who wasn't in the loop about the tranny's identity?
>>14438 Cyclegreen was hired and fired by /a/ about half a year before anyone on /v/ noticed anything was up, it happened long before Cyclegreen became a known name.
>>14439 Ah, I see. Whatever happened to the crossdressing freak? I'd presume he was the reason the logs got leaked because trannies are prone to petty spite.
>>14430 >I'm a "blacked redditor" because I have never heard of some of these accusations Yeah okay, I'm OP and made a wall of text as to why 8moe should be removed but whatever, just hurl insults because you're mad about something (I don't even know what you're mad about)
>>14440 Could've roped, he was a tranny after all. He purged everything during the /v/'s trial and nobody's seen him since.
>>14441 >>I'm a "blacked redditor" Glad you could come to terms with your condition. Understanding the problem is the first step towards solving it. Unfortunately the next step involves rope and a tree.
>>14444 >time to start autistically accusing people of being from site I don't like and top it off ebin "kys" for good measure great post
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>>14413 I've been mulling over your words and I see your point, but nonetheless I'll miss those bastards. Actually, one idea I was thinking about was to snipe smaller boards (and hence their users) away from 8chan by offering them a personal bunker there. It would solve the problem of leaving behind some communities while keeping their /v/ and pedo boards away. >>14414 >The webring websites are super niche, there is no new blood coming in. Exactly, that's why I'm so against removing 8chan outright without finding either a compromise (telling them to stop with their pedo enabler boards posted on the listing and improving webring connectivity) or to at least leech non cancerous users from them. >>14433 Yeah for posts larger than a certain file size (as in pixels, not actual size) you need to spoiler them, something about a bug in the way thumbnails are generated.
>>14443 Trannies usually tend to purge shit when you deadname them >>14446 >Actually, one idea I was thinking about was to snipe smaller boards (and hence their users) away from 8chan by offering them a personal bunker there. It would solve the problem of leaving behind some communities while keeping their /v/ and pedo boards away. Now there's a fine idea. 90% of 8chan boards are abandoned though, so I suggest you go after the small ones that don't see much traffic but their mods still log on. /monarchy/ and /cyoa/ would fit right in, for instance.
>>14446 >that's why I'm so against removing 8chan outright without finding either a compromise There's no benefit from any compromise to be had. 8moe's people never had any intention of making good on their end of the webring bargain. When it came into existence, Acid immediately spewed vague FUD claiming it might be "compromised" and spewing twisted lines about the webring plugin "leaking the server IP" (i.e. grabbing webring.json files from other sites like it's supposed to), when they did eventually get in on the webring they were dicks about it by trying to make up "peering agreements" out of the blue, and even after being torn a new one over that they refused to surface the webring view like other sites did (hence trying to get the benefit of being prominently listed elsewhere without properly reciprocating). Mixed into this, their tech monkey Codexx wrote his channel changer software, didn't initially open-source it, and used it to quietly and continuously scrape other sites' boards so that when any of the sites experienced downtime, 8moe could immediately pop up and offer to "rescue" the board by restoring the scraped copy to 8moe. (As for Mark, I don't really care: He's a hazard, yes, but he's a useful and retarded hazard who obligingly soaks up anons' anger and in the process draws it away from Acid & co.) Any time 8moe's admins have done anything it's been with this rancid overtone of bad faith. All that will happen is that they'll keep doing it, find new ways to be dicks, and claim incessantly that they're not, because that's their way. gradually_i_began_to_hate_them.jpg The rest of the webring has now decided it's not worth the effort to play 8moe's little games any more, and I think that's a healthy thing. Don't play these silly games of grabass with 8moe. If their anons want to move then they'll move.
>>14446 Personally I can't imagine bringing them back. All they've done since they've been in the webring is potentially leech users from the webring to their site, because we all advertised them for months while they often at the top of everyone's webring list. They never did the same in return. It was pretty fucking shit of them to do that. Their users, instead of browsing the webring, just made a ton of boards on 8moe and I don't think there's any evidence any of them were ever using the webring. In the event they enable the webring properly and everyone for some reason allows them back, complaint 2 in OP would then potentially have merit. I think it's best to leave them out of the webring for being completely disingenuous and if there are actual posters here in the webring that want some of the boards on 8moe I think webring users should make the boards and start discussions. There are a lot of good boards in the webring that don't get posts, most webring users flock to about 10 (maybe 15) boards and pretty much everything else lies dormant. I don't even know what to blame, I guess stockholm syndrome. People will stay in a terrible place just because it's familar. Just look at mark /v/, their users have shit on him time and time again for being a total piece of shit but when you look at alternative boards (like zzz/v/) there's not a lot who actually did something about it and left. Idiots will flock to PPH despite the fact that it has no correlation with quality posting, so I'm sure that 8chan leeched quite a few people while it was here. As for allowing more boards, it's a bit of a problem right now. On 8moe you can apparently make a board without permission, which is going to attract a lot of people. We don't have anything in the webring with open board registration, the closest we have is that fatchan will give you a board no questions asked if you ask for one, but despite it being back for several months now it's completely dead. The only other site that gave out boards no-questions-asked was julayworld but that obviously fell. Either we resign ourself to the fact that we're just a few popular boards with a bunch of mostly dead boards (some with so little content they don't really even have a reason to exist) or we do something about the problem if we actually decide it's a problem, and we start broadening the boards we post on. I've opted for the latter, lately I've been posting exclusively on smaller boards
>>14449 >Idiots will flock to PPH despite the fact that it has no correlation with quality posting, People generally want to be replied back when they post something and subconsciously gamble on there being more people rather than more knowledgeable. I think proper advertising, through proper channels, should be in place.
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>>14449 >and we start broadening the boards we post on. I've opted for the latter Same. Personally been having a great time branching out to /retro/ and /tg/ as well as some of the threads on /animu/ in addition to my usual boards. Had a look at 8moe a few times when it was in the webring but never really saw any board there I actually wanted to post on. >We don't have anything in the webring with open board registration Some boards will always be more popular and some boards will always be quieter. The mentality of wanting to always split out to more and more and more boards is self-defeating, and I think a lot more people would have a lot more fun if the smaller dead boards were rolled up into something like /server/ to improve cross-chatter. The fact is that non-4chan imageboards are ageing out. Imageboard anons are a throwback in the age of endlessly spiralling fractal Discords and attention-vampire social media sites, in a world where getting most Internet users to change the sites they use is like asking them to swim to the Moon. When 4chan was young, there was a webring-like project known as iichan, where multiple sites hosted a few niche boards each (e.g. /slpl/ - Self Pleasure) and presented them in one big sidebar. It's dead now and nobody remembers it because the buzzing megahive model 4chan presented ended up being dominant. 8moe is gambling on the same idea, but they're trying to implement a fifteen year old strategy ten years too late. If there's going to be another upswell of imageboard-like energy, I suspect it'll be from somewhere unexpected, not from the make-your-own-board style mutant imageboard.
>>14448 >>14449 >If their anons want to move then they'll move. You underestimate the power of complacency and just how burnt out everyone is from cuckflare shutdown and parade of shit that followed. I know at least a couple anons who have admitted to being so tired from the constant hopping of sites that they want to plant their roots and finally have a permanent place to settle down with a guarantee that it won't be deplatformed again else they might just give up imageboards. That's probably what attracts at least some anons to a place like 8moe -- a site that doesn't go for the "just replace the website if it goes down" route which promises more tiresome address hopping and lurking, but rather has one catch-all that tries to be bulletproof. >There are a lot of good boards in the webring that don't get posts, most webring users flock to about 10 (maybe 15) boards and pretty much everything else lies dormant. I don't even know what to blame, I guess stockholm syndrome. People will stay in a terrible place just because it's familar. Just look at mark /v/, their users have shit on him time and time again for being a total piece of shit but when you look at alternative boards (like zzz/v/) there's not a lot who actually did something about it and left. Idiots will flock to PPH despite the fact that it has no correlation with quality posting, so I'm sure that 8chan leeched quite a few people while it was here. It's an unfortunate fact that nobody ever really wants to acknowledge; people want to be heard and get responses in a timely manner. Even if "quality users" would theoretically outweigh a more active site, it's easy for those same posters to get bored from the lack of promptness and go back where they'll be more easily satisfied. This is the exact same principle that's given the major "mainstream" sites like Youtube, Twitter, Discord, Patreon, etc such dominating sway (coupled with the fact their more free "alternatives" are significantly shittier in terms of QoL or have (((payment processors))) like Paypal actively strangling them financially). It's a human behavior. That being said, I don't deny that Stockholm Syndrome plays a large role -- on 8moe's GG thread, it's often mentioned that while they loath Mark, they find him "the devil they know" after several backstabs like Codemonkey, Tom pussying out at the first sight of (((Esther))), the whole Zchan thing, and the general paranoia of /cow/ or feds. He's a retard, but he's "predictable" and at the end of the day, autists like predictability above all else
>>14450 >People generally want to be replied back when they post something This really is the struggle of posting on small boards. Being fucking alone. Maybe I'm just autistic enough to prefer it to low effort diarrheaposting the likes of "kys cuckchan go back reddit" >advertising How in the fuck do you advertise an imageboard in current year? Better yet where do you advertise an imageboard? Where on the rest of the web would this fly: Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING Not to mention what place on the web would we actually want to gain users from? We're cliquish as fuck, which is fine because I don't really want normalniggers and if I did I'd just go to twitter or some abysmal shit like that. Ideally what we want is quality posters who don't post one line from their phone, don't just smear shit furiously all over the post form and click reply, don't post the same 2 or 3 stale insults to everyone they disagree with, don't have an interest in trying to break or skirt the law and get shit shut down, and don't have an affinity for popular normalnigger shit. The only real place I can think of that has this are small imageboards (basically the fucking webring) but we're already here so that doesn't really leave us anywhere to advertise.
It's like living in the last days of the wild west. Men are domesticated and there's too much to lose living like an outlaw, but society's too shit and restricted to integrate into. If I ever find the faggot Cuckflare honcho who killed 8ch to virtue signal despite hypocritically hosting terrorists and pedos, or find out who Esther is, I bump into any of the idiots like Jim the arch-Qboomer, Freddit Breddit, Jewt the sellout, etc who put us in this situation, I'd honestly consider murder. This isn't fair.
>>14414 >z/v/ is just the 8/vg/ crowd Extremely wrong, if anything they spammed the 8/vg/ crowd back in Julay. z/v/ is the Vch anons who got tired of tech glitches and settled outside 8c when it rebranded, the jew followed suit later for his own reasons (money/loli) and created the wandering /v/ movements which started with the first Fatchan. Pretending they are 8/vg/, who was sabotaged by the jew because he never formally processed the many requests to bring it back, is being either a fool or an ignorant, not even half of the constant anons who made the threads back then have returned (obvious exceptions are the strategy threads). >Stop trying to d&c Stop being a retarded nigger revizionist, many of us witnessed things first hand, you cannot pull such stunts out of nowhere at least around here.
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>>14453 >Where on the rest of the web would this fly: Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING Pretty much the only time this sort of thing works is where pre-existing clusters of people migrate all at once following some big event affecting the sites they know. The most recent one I know of is the mass migration of Twitter RW-leaning anime shitposters to the Fediverse, following a round of Twitter mass-banning that happened to get enough of them at once to trigger a collective move. Our versions of this were the old-school anons fucking off from 4chan to 8chan during the big SHUT IT DOWN-fest of Gamergate, and then the panicked evacuation of 8chan to the bunker sites when 8chan got taken out. In all such cases, the move has to be quick and collective enough to kindle a new fire, or it'll go out. Both 8chan and the fediverse were pre-existing (a few of the Twitter clique were savvy enough to be able to provision a new site for their frens that just plugged right into the larger pre-existing fediverse); they merely acted to receive the migration when the activation energy actually happened. But you can't rely on poaching users one by one - you have to make sure that they know about you and then leave the rest to fate and network effects. In the end, all you can do is have so much fun somewhere that it becomes somewhere that more people want to be. It doesn't always work out, but if you're having fun with other anons then you're not worrying. /monster/ is a good counter-example: A few lame autists running wild and provoked by other lame autists are gradually lowering the fun of the place and lowering activity from fun people, but in line with Dunning-Kruger the ones making the place lamer don't know they're lame. Unless the fun people can begin to treat it as an escape again, it'll gradually choke itself out.
>>14452 >It's an unfortunate fact that nobody ever really wants to acknowledge; people want to be heard and get responses in a timely manner. Even if "quality users" would theoretically outweigh a more active site, it's easy for those same posters to get bored from the lack of promptness and go back where they'll be more easily satisfied. It's true. Hence why I tried to tell people to use more boards. If every anon on the webring decided to stop, open the webring board list, find boards that interest them no matter how dead, open these boards in new tabs, and begin posting, some of these boards would probably instantly grow in activity. I guarantee the only reason people aren't posting on them is because they're dead. However, not posting on them is what keeps these boards dead in the first place. See how this works? It's kinda like a self-fulfilling prophecy. >might just give up imageboards I've done it more than once. For numerous reasons. I keep coming back because after sinking this much time into imageboards (over a decade) it's all I fucking know anymore. There's nowhere else for me on the web. Despite the fact that every time I come back, I immediately resent the behavior of a pretty good portion of anons, there's always a part of the community that makes for extremely good conversation the likes of which you cannot get anywhere else on the internet. And in those bluntly honest no-holds-barred discussions where you get to feel truly free, you get addicted. Combine that with the fact that after all this time, imageboards are the only thing to remain dedicated to allowing user freedom in posting, and I don't see myself or many other anons ever leaving. At least not for long.
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>>14453 >Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING
>>14453 >Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING
>>14418 >julay is pedos Julay didn't just house dolphin, but it also had "Gee if CP comes to this board I wont removei it teehee!" before a flood of CP back on Julay/v/. /cow/ has been more harmful to the webring than Mark ever has. >tvch is cuckchanners Is it a lie? tvchan has been actively recruiting from cuckchan and whenever they go cuckchan shit follows. >zzzchan is a honeypot Note that this was said about Zchan just as it showed up, which came right after fatchan died and spammed itself onto multiple boards to the extent of the link being banned on PLW. Didn't help that the original Zchan was made by a faggot that closes and opens imageboards in a vague attempt for clout. >smug is trannies Smug is a tight-assed site with moderation that nearly fucked the original site due to the meido bot causing issues with the hardware. Infamously the meido-bot tanked infinity next then and there. I'd argue the smugtranny shit is from PLW more than anything else. >plw is a dead shithole People don't tend to talk about PLW besides being a more reasonable alternative to smug. Nearly everyone lamented lolreron's doxing more than anything. it's almost like you are creating a strawman made out of hearsay. >>14452 The issue with the webring approach is that it does not take one thing into account: Investment. When changing boards people have to rebuild, remake posts and refill boards while losing even a miniscule amount of people. This can be mitigated by "scraping" and telling them alternative places in advance to open up new shop, but more often that not what happened is that people fled and had to remake posts and threads. Due to subjects being already talked about the new thread is emptier and has a smaller pool of posts to pull from to make new responses and restart the conversation. This would work if boards die in the span of a few months but they last way longer than that. There's also the dramafaggotry that plagues every single one of the sites causing issues and remaining unaccounted for. >>14453 Well anon you just raise your hands and say there's a problem without considering a solution. Acid went and advertised to GG remnants on Reddit and the 8chan provides some banner to go under. Talk shit all you want he found a specific userbase and actually made an effort, that's more than the whole year of arguments of since the Smug meta days of "where to advertise" that ended with "Just dont do anything", people don't even try to find or suggest looking into hobbyist forums/channels nor do they try to stand out. I'd argue /animu/ could have it as a side-effect by providing an actual service such as scanlation, but the series they like is super niche and that could easily devolve into clique bullshit and glory hounding. Inviting actual friends to events such as cytube streams and gamenights might be a solution but it runs the risk of attracting faggots and introducing people you already know rather than getting to know new people and can easily snowball to them inviting more normal people. >>14455 z/zzz/v/ was a meld of Julay/v/ and a quarter/half of 8kun/vch that gave up on Mark during his spergfit on fat/v/ and PLW and now praise pasta-nigger endlessly, or used to. There's also a serious amounts of tryhards desperately trying to make it outshine and distinguish itself from cake/v/, with board list faggotry and statements "how this is totally like the first exodus", at least back when it was still Zchan. Tastes are somewhat interchangable and there is a significantly large proportion of crossposters regardless of how much fags on ZZZ/v/ tries to deny it and there is a significant clash of former Julay and former/crossposting Mark/v/ anons whenever the topic of a GG thread comes up, however they do have more productive people outside of designated Draw and /agdg/ threads.
>>14460 >Well anon you just raise your hands and say there's a problem without considering a solution. Actually I did post a solution of sorts. I don't really know how to implement it but I think there are boards that are dead because nobody wants to post on them because they're dead which just creates an endless cycle of deadness, despite the fact that there are probably anons in the webring right now that would be interested in the boards if they were active. Their refusal to post on dead boards just keeps them dead. Maybe shill the idea of "go into the webring right now, find boards that interest you, open a new tab, and post even if the board is dead." I don't know. Worth a try? We'd only have to target a few boards since most of the activity is limited to around 10 boards or so. >Inviting actual friends I can't be the only one here who doesn't have actual friends but even if I did I doubt I'd show them this place like "Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING"
>>14461 That just runs the risk of being seen as a shilling nuisance doing it by hand. My thought's more to take a card from the Attention Hungry Games 8ch had -- where they ran Hunger Game Simulators with board names with the winner having a big link put on top. Maybe something like that could be done as an extra category on the plugin, but it'd require programming shit I do not have.
>>14462 It'd be shilling an idea and not a specific board or site if it were done right. It'd have to be specifically limited to "hey everyone, yes you, open the webring right now and go find other boards you're interested in and make some posts" and not "come post on my board you fucking faggot, I am going to make you like my board." Basically webring anons need to start broadening their interests for fucks sake. As it stands the webring is mostly /a/, /b/, /v/, and /sp/am. There's more to life than that.
>>14460 >but it also had "Gee if CP comes to this board I wont removei it teehee!" before a flood of CP back on Julay/v/ Which was an obvious shit-stirrer that somehow nobody in the IRC detected, i smelled trouble since i first read his words but nobody else seemed to think otherwise. The old BO stepped aside and that guy, which was the Tengu, did that and hence all the drama. If you were there you would know you dummy. >Is it a lie? Not right now but it was when it started out, many crosspost and bring people with them but you will see the obvious discomfort with some of their stale humor (/dup/, /dunk/ discuss this all the time) >z/zzz/v/ All well-said although i stand with many anons from /vg/ and Julay/v/ never reappearing or going to some place i don't know, recently i suspect one is in /retro/ and another in /server/ (unless it's the same guy) but i haven't seen their posting style in smug/vg/, PLW/gei/, Z-ZZZ/v/ or the blacked one. The most explicit factor in this theory is/was the Sketch.io games, back then there were some constant names but when the whole Tengu/Flesh and Z/Zzz drama fests happened many of those names stopped going. >/cow/ has been more harmful to the webring than Mark ever has. Which concludes my point regarding the community topic: By now we know Mark was in charge of processing board restorations, and which he actively denied or appropriated many, along with having some bunkers in his Vch site. Some incidents are namely the whole /vg/ never getting restored (many requested it, including me), /sw/ getting nuked out of spite because they wanted to use a webring site, /a/ being appropriated and handed out to /animu/ at 8k, the whole webring fearmongering with the pinned posts made by the Dolphin to bait him, and not to add the unconfirmed but widely believed stories of him shitting places like /svidya/, /vr/, /vg/ (both the original general board and the reunified all-uses alternative) and Julay /v/. The fact he directly intervened in denying an explicit resolution in many boards' destinies by not allowing them to return or downright deplatforming others without notice is enough for him to be, technically, worse than /cow/, which turned into a shitfest but they after all had their big hurrah with the ACF leaks.
>>14461 You still have the exact same number of people running around with the same interests they used to have. Then there's the problem of redundant boards and spreading anons too thin. The webring outside of smug and cake/v/ doesn't have a board with a userbase of above 100 or in most cases above 50 on the best of days and that's not enough people to perpetuate anonymous discussion before you start recognizing everyone. THere's also the problem of forcing oneself to post shit you aren't interested in and not doing your best as a result and the nature of posting not because you "want" to because "you need to". >I can't be the only one here who doesn't have actual friends but even if I did I doubt I'd show them this place like "Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING" Which is why I said events and gamenights. An anon earlier mentioned "having more fun" and there is some measure of truth in that, for people to come here they have to see it at it's best and whatever events there are don't have enough publicity to attract people in. I said "friends" instead of "acquaintance" because that's the best way to evaluate the people you invite if they're appropriate for the board. At some point people will have to go outside the webring and find new people outside the big ones. Weird subreddits, "based" sites, odd hobbyist Xenforo forums, at some point a risk has to be made because this spreading of anons is a zero sum game drawing from an already depleted and divided userbase. The most beneficial person to shill other boards to in this group of sites "that isn't posting on other sites" is already running attention-hungry games that receives updates on the most active set of threads, but right now it is overshadowed by Acid not seeing /hebe/ as the threat that it is. >>14465 > If you were there you would know you dummy. I was talking about Hanging Flesh and company and them harboring Dolphin who was banned off the /int/ bunker for having CP. Robi essentially cave them the keys to the kingdom. >Not right now but it was when it started out /tv/ had endless amounts of cuckchan memes and it was obvious whenever they came out of their shit hole to shit up every board they went to. I'd argue the reputation started just about when they started that shit and even before on 8/tv/ it was throughoutly colonized by the kind of people the rest of the ring despised. >Mark handling of 8kun The vast majority of the webring outside of /animu/ stayed out of it as far as I remember. I remember quite a few /vg/ anons lamenting the situation back on vch. Anyway, harboring people that took down sites and actively going after site-heads is something I'd call a lot more harmful than a botch job of porting over boards. One was being a failed PR fag on 8kun that was plagued with a lot of other the vast majority outisde of /v/ called a honeypot, the other was actively and maliciously going after other boards. The "restoration process" was also slow with or without Mark and was rife with Jim's faggotry and suspicion of glow niggery without Mark's input. >The fact he directly intervened in denying an explicit resolution in many boards' destinies by not allowing them to return or downright deplatforming others without notice is enough for him to be, technically, worse than /cow/, which turned into a shitfest but they after all had their big hurrah with the ACF leaks. That could easily be blamed on the "restoration" process taking so long and being put in the backburner for that TORcopy/"Project Odin", that shouldn't take as long as it did for what was just scraping shit from an existing copy to a barely working copy of the original. Then again I don't remember what activity most of the smaller boards had there outside of /animu/ which had barely more than 20 users and /co/, which was completely dead on Julay.
>>14403 >lets users make bunkers by themselves with no strings attached We've been over this before and that SHOULDN'T EXIST. By trying to be some kind of central hub of boards for everyone, you're discouraging people from decentralizing and participating in the webring properly and encouraging them to congregate on a single point of failure again, a single point ran by some really suspicious and disingenuous people no less. Why should I host an imageboard when I can just add boards to 8chan™? Make better guides on how to host your own imageboard how the webring works instead of this shit. >>14409 >Currently they're in talks with smug about learning how to prevent certain boards from appearing on the webring I seriously hope they don't have actual programmers of any kind, because something like this is programming 101, you should just be able to whip up in a minute and not even ask about it. Sometimes I wonder why imageboard software is always so shit, but at times like this I can see why.
>>14466 >You still have the exact same number of people running around with the same interests they used to have. Well yes, but the problem I believe is that people who post pretty much exclusively on one or two boards probably do not have one or two interests. I think most are turned off by dead boards which, again, keeps these boards forever dead. Nobody would be asking them to leave these boards, just use more boards. It's pretty easy to keep up with webring discussion and divide your attention across multiple tabs because unlike 4chan you're not getting pelted with posts so fast that you don't have time to reply because you can't keep up trying to read everything. >THere's also the problem of forcing oneself to post shit you aren't interested in Then don't post on that board. Open webring and find topics you think are interesting, and post even if the board is dead. If you're lucky there would possibly be other anons doing the same. Congratulations you can maybe get a discussion going. That was the idea. I think at the very least a few boards might grow because of it. >they have to see it at it's best I disagree. I think they need to see it at its worst. If you're going to come here you need to be okay with shit being posted that would trigger the average normalnigger into shutting down in mere seconds. People here say and post "offensive" shit that could never fly in company of normalniggers. God forbid you show a bunch of people an aspect of the community that is the most normie-friendly and then you get a bunch of people who expect the webring to conform to that sort of ideal that was their first introduction. If you're going to be here, without question you should be able to be okay with shit that is not palatable to the average faggot. That's entirely what makes imageboards special in current year. Without that, it doesn't really stand apart from anything else except for that you don't need to register to post. >Weird subreddits, "based" sites, odd hobbyist Xenforo forums, at some point a risk has to be made Okay now come on, don't sink as low as reddit. You'd seriously be better off recruiting 4chan users. At least 4chan is an imageboard. I can't imagine there's a single person currently on reddit worth inviting here. And inviting some niche community users to the webring to inhabit some probably niche board isn't going to solve anything either. I don't necessarily agree with advertising the webring to a bunch of outsiders because I think you could easily end up completely destroying the culture here. You could overwhelm the place with normalniggers basically. I'd much rather have slow boards than an influx of redditors who demand posts be removed for being offensive or something.
>>14467 >Make better guides on how to host your own imageboard how the webring works instead of this shit. Besides needing some basic programming knowledge, I believe it's the reality of "hosting needs money" that's the biggest wall to anyone wanting to host. If you're expecting people to pay out of their own pocket as their first option instead of defaulting to letting someone else foot the bill, I dunno what to tell you.
>>14451 >Had a look at 8moe a few times when it was in the webring but never really saw any board there I actually wanted to post on. I think this is because they never agree to stay on one board and just create a second one with the same topic but half the users. I mostly used 8chan as a place to put bunkers for my board. >Some boards will always be more popular and some boards will always be quieter. The mentality of wanting to always split out to more and more and more boards is self-defeating, and I think a lot more people would have a lot more fun if the smaller dead boards were rolled up into something like /server/ to improve cross-chatter. Depends on the topic. For something like a specific series or very niche hobby, I'd agree. For something more generalized, I wouldn't. A /server/ like board would be great for an /int/ type of place where different languages are put into different threads, sort of how /britfeel/ makes no sense as its own board as they only use one thread at a time. But a place like /tech/ requires multiple threads, even if most of the discussion will be news-related or tech-support. >The fact is that non-4chan imageboards are ageing out. Imageboard anons are a throwback in the age of endlessly spiralling fractal Discords and attention-vampire social media sites I think it's exactly because of how bloated modern web is that we do have a chance at finding some new blood. I would personally suggest advertising it to decades old forums, where even if it's just ten or so oldfags we'd still be able to maintain a modicum of anonymity. >8moe is gambling on the same idea, but they're trying to implement a fifteen year old strategy ten years too late. The problem with 8moe again is the administration. They're idealistic to 4chan's pragmatism, but they're both idiots because 8chan's idealized view of a DIY board style clashes with the actual communities frequenting them (something that on old8chan/8kun happened when Q followers and leftyfucks were despised by the entire site yet the administrations would do anything about it). 4chan instead is just the rule of the loudest, so it makes sense that the janitors punish even the silliest of infractions - they can't deal with the amount of traffic they have. We should style ourselves as the perfect alternative for those who want to discuss shit instead of piling through a ton of crap.
>>14469 >I believe it's the reality of "hosting needs money" that's the biggest wall to anyone wanting to host Honestly I can think of plenty of other reasons. Money isn't and never has been the reason I have always decided against ever hosting one. Deplatforming. People trying to dox you. Immediately having a target on your back because you're open to the idea of hosting a site where users are allowed to speak freely. Sometimes, your own users are part of that group of people targeting you because anons are often a fucking ungrateful lot of miserable bastards who even eat their own. Absolutely no part of it sounds enticing. Doing it for free is fucking terrible believe me and I can't imagine doing even more than jannies do at an actual fucking expense and having a target on your back and bending over to serve some of the most ungrateful people on the planet.
>>14467 The issue is that setting up sites and a board takes time. The point of "scraping" other boards for quick setup is to maintain continuity and not leave userbases dry and know where to go. If people know where to go when shit goes sour quickly and efficiently before moving elsewhere that minimizes people lost. Ironically "scraping" boards "to be saved" would allow the webring's replaceability aspect to flourish and deal with one of the issues argued with before: investment. Maybe someone can pester Acid to share backups for porting purposes. >>14468 >Okay now come on, don't sink as low as reddit. You'd seriously be better off recruiting 4chan users. At least 4chan is an imageboard. I can't imagine there's a single person currently on reddit worth inviting here. And inviting some niche community users to the webring to inhabit some probably niche board isn't going to solve anything either. By "at it's best" I mean "when it's having fun/ being particularly memorable". Headless men back in early 8/v/ was fun, HWNDU was a great moment for 8/pol/, digs made to find obscure bullshit or insightful and interesting posts that can be capped and shared for posterity.Retarded arguments derailing to dumb shit like cum speed and trajectory. Shit you can only get on a good imageboard. This definition is to attract like minded people who also consider the site worthwhile for "it's best moments" >I don't necessarily agree with advertising the webring to a bunch of outsiders because I think you could easily end up completely destroying the culture here. You could overwhelm the place with normalniggers basically. I'd much rather have slow boards than an influx of redditors who demand posts be removed for being offensive or something. The thing is that like 8moe,Julay or any site on the webring really is that seperate boards have different people and in different amounts using it. Reddit and even 4chan in that front is no different and you can find surprisingly less retarded faggots even there, shill it in small places and you can control the amount of people coming in and force them to learn either through moderation or bullying. Even then: What is the problem with having to reiterate shit on occasion and prompting anons to talk in length about shit? The shitfit people threw over the documentary showed a very disturbing truth, the webring is not scared of large amounts of new users, they are scared of new users at all.Period. And now we're back to square one: Do nothing, no conclusion is reached nor is any alternative scouted or discussed about.
>>14452 Anon here telling it like it is. People are too old and tired to fight back and the younguns want to follow money and clout, which they can't get here. >>14453 >How in the fuck do you advertise an imageboard in current year? By being nice when going to places where you know there's other anonymous posters and by being loud when going to social media. You severely underestimate how much getting your link into every crevice works for getting people to follow you - for instance, I found out about 8chan's resurrection from an insignificant regional imageboard because some anon tried to fish for users. >Ideally what we want is quality posters who don't post one line from their phone, don't just smear shit furiously all over the post form and click reply We could set a minimum amounts of characters for OPs and another one for replies > don't post the same 2 or 3 stale insults to everyone they disagree with Modding and word filters applied temporarily rather than how leftyfaggots do >don't have an interest in trying to break or skirt the law and get shit shut down The only good thing that 8moe ever did was disallowing hotlinking of any of their pages or pictures so you can't get retards sending CP and then claiming to be "concerned individuals". >The only real place I can think of that has this are small imageboards We could find MORE webring candidates though.
>>14456 >Pretty much the only time this sort of thing works is where pre-existing clusters of people migrate all at once following some big event affecting the sites they know. The most recent one I know of is the mass migration of Twitter RW-leaning anime shitposters to the Fediverse, following a round of Twitter mass-banning that happened to get enough of them at once to trigger a collective move. What if we went around looking for that kind of happening? As in, when someplace starts banning people with interests aligned to ours we just advertise a board to them to get them here?
>>14469 Yeah wow $5/month, only richfags can afford that. >If you're expecting people to pay out of their own pocket as their first option instead of defaulting to letting someone else foot the bill, I dunno what to tell you That's exactly what I'm fucking talking about. Nobody will decentralize if they can choose to make a centralized board in 8jew for free with a couple clicks. >>14471 Of course it's not as convenient as putting the target on someone else's back. But the more imageboards there are, the more likely someone will host your board for you if you ask. That's how the webring has always worked, if you want a board without setting up your own imageboard, you ask one of the existing ones if they're willing to host it.
>>14474 Wasn't cake.moe just shit talked for being a hyena and offering to save boards with backups in this very thread? Fishing for drama to attract people to this site specifically on any site sounds dishonest. >>14475 And how did that work out for /delicious/ or /pol/?
>>14475 >Yeah wow $5/month, only richfags can afford that. That cheap? What kind of specs? >>14476 >Wasn't cake.moe just shit talked for being a hyena and offering to save boards with backups in this very thread? Yes, but I never really saw as that. I think I even know the tool they used.
>>14476 >hurdurr nobody wanted to host my board therefore the webring doesn't work and we need 8moe The webring needs more members, that's what I'm getting at. Add more imageboards to the webring instead of giving up on it and opening the 8shit pressure valve that discourages anyone from ever hosting another imageboard.
>>14475 >>14477 >$5/month Doesn't that tend to increase with visitor usage? The webring is far from bustling these days, but making another dead board when we're already trying to deal with the pre-existing lot is probably a drain either way.
>>14479 If you're concerned about "too many boards" then 8moe is the biggest problem.
>>14472 >HWNDU was a great moment for 8/pol/ Oh god, literally my favorite thing in imageboard history. Season 3 was the best, IRL capture the flag was so fun. I'm so glad I was a part of that. Sorry, not trying to get too off-topic here, you just reminded me of my favorite thing ever in imageboard history. Fuck I miss that. >This definition is to attract like minded people who also consider the site worthwhile for "it's best moments" I think I understand what you mean by this now. It's gonna be hard to find those people though. It seems like everyone except IB communities is talking on discord and posts on twitter with pronouns in their profile. Or maybe I'm just really disconnected with the rest of the world by this point. >they are scared of new users at all It's easy to understand why though. I theoretically like the idea of newfags, as long as they do the right thing and lurk before making a real attempt to be a part of the community. If they're incapable of doing this obviously they should fuck off. The problem is that I'm afraid of newfags because of how bad they usually end up being. They make no effort to even understand the basics. Someone on PLW posted a link to an image he uploaded on fucking imgur and then when people berated him for being retarded he said it was because if he uploaded an image it would be too small to see. He didn't even know you click thumbnails to expand. I doubt he had lurked for even an hour. This is the problem, newfags are not newfriends anymore, they're newniggers. They're never fun to have around because you'll be having a good discussion and then one of them shows up and fucks up everything. Now imagine a whole avalanche of them. >>14473 >when going to social media >social media This is why I'm always against shilling, because everyone has the absolute worst ideas of where to do it. The best active place, if you were going to shill (and keep in mind I'm still against it) would probably be 4chan. Post a link in a thread, each thread probably averages a few hundred users. Of those few hundred maybe a handful will click. Of those handful, maybe one or two will give the board a chance. And at least the person you have invited is an actual imageboard user and not a complete and total normalfaggot. >We could set a minimum amounts of characters for OPs and another one for replies Not a bad idea. >Modding and word filters applied Wordfiltering a few low effort responses is a good idea and has been done before >The only good thing that 8moe ever did was disallowing hotlinking of any of their pages or pictures so you can't get retards sending CP and then claiming to be "concerned individuals". agreed >We could find MORE webring candidates though. This was idea a while back on old julay before the fall, there were some sites that some people wanted to try to get added to the webring. It might be worth a try. >>14475 >But the more imageboards there are, the more likely someone will host your board for you if you ask. That's how the webring has always worked, if you want a board without setting up your own imageboard, you ask one of the existing ones if they're willing to host it. Honestly we're in a state where there are entire sites in the webring that are dead. I'm not sure we need more sites when most people flock to such a small amount of boards. Fatchan would probably host your board if you asked, they seem to be no questions asked. They're also dead. Don't see why if you wanted a board you should make your own site rather than just ask fatchan for one because fatchan is already footing a bill for a pretty much dead site.
>>14478 >>14480 >The webring needs more members, that's what I'm getting at. Add more imageboards to the webring >If you're concerned about "too many boards" then 8moe is the biggest problem. Make up your mind anon.
>>14481 >I'm not sure we need more sites Tell that to the people who think we absolutely need 8moe because otherwise they can't have their board.
>>14482 I won't repeat myself but here's the TL;DR: stop centralizing.
Just bought a Facebook ad
>>14484 Well how many sites is enough? Does every board need to be its own site? Right now we have an actual surplus of sites to active boards. There are webring sites that never break into the top boards on the webring.
>>14487 As many as are needed for all the boards that people want, and without having websites like 8moe that allow everyone to create boards for free because as mentioned it significantly discourages decentralization. >There are webring sites that never break into the top boards on the webring That's just the nature of some boards regardless of what site they're on. I don't see how it's relevant to anything.
>>14478 The issue is trustworthy members and the main aspect the webring revolves around is "former 8chan members/staff/spirit", there aren't that many and the few that tried to get in like "alt-chan federation" weren't trustworthy. >>14480 The issue is not "too many boards", at least when there aren't too many redundant ones, but the lack of userbase going around. And so we are again back to "how to attract new users", like it or not 8moe is the closest thing this little set of islands surrounded by crags has to a port unless the issue of inviting anyone is resolved. It got a recent board that has a living userbase of 38 in the form of /hisrol/ through no conscious effort strategized. Thats more new users not tied to an old board or a relative board than the rest of the webring combined for the past year. That is the power of having a familiar name, which the webring lacks unfortunately. >>14481 >They're never fun to have around because you'll be having a good discussion and then one of them shows up and fucks up everything. Now imagine a whole avalanche of them. Unfortunately that is gamble boards will have to make at some point, every board is already at the stagnation period and not too much is happening for their selected hobby due to Coof-chan. Note that this is also why I suggest that people should look for specific and weird groups with not too large of a userbase. Actually go looking and discuss worthwhile candidates instead of getting cold feet constantly. >>14484 This would be fine if the webring had a population of ,say 2 thousand, this not the case. Activity with more users is more likely to result in more activity, the more users the spot has the higher chance there is to having any response and perpetuating a discussion. The webring is supposed to solve that with the activity feature, but there's no context that being in the front page and looking at it would have. This is without going into the reasonable assumption that not everyone is Mr.International with multiple hobbies related to all the boards. Boards can technically live with less but them thriving for longer than their honeymoon period is another discussion entirely. The abundance of drama both in and out of 8moe/8kun/Julay hasn't helped in keeping the places alive.
>>14488 Checked pseudo-1488 get. >As many as are needed for all the boards that people want Having trouble determining what this even means, but in the opinion of some we're probably already at that point. In fact, the argument I'm making is that we're probably beyond that point. We don't really have a shortage of sites. >I don't see how it's relevant to anything. Because there's such a small amount of boards with real activity. The majority of boards have so little posts that they really don't even have a reason for existing. If these boards were lost, their few hundred or so posts amount to basically nothing and would not be missed if they disappared. There are very few exceptions to this. The real hubs of activity are divided across a few sites. One or two sites are lucky to have more than one top board, for example, zzzchan has /b/ and /v/. Even if you redistributed active boards to sites that don't have any, there would still probably be sites in the webring that don't have much of a need to exist because they don't get any real activity. What would be the point in adding a brand new site to the webring right now? Say I make an imageboard and join the webring. It'd surely just be dead. Two of the most recent additions to the webring (not counting 8moe) do nothing but collect dust. Adding more sites doesn't solve anything. It's like having a huge garage and you have 2 or 3 cars and you want to add more garage space. There's just no real need, there's plenty of space for new boards and new activity already that's not being used.
Letting Mark's chuds back into the webring would be a mistake but it barely matters at this point. The webring is failing or has failed depending on how you look at it. The only threads that get serious replies are all drama threads like this one. It's a bunch of vultures waiting for the next one to drop so they can get a mouth full. Everyone else has left for greener pastures, be they fediverse, telegram, discord, cuckchan, reddit or facebook. Doesn't matter where they went, only that they're no longer posting -here-.
>>14486 Ad got approved, projected daily reach 1.5k people and it's running for three days. Let's see what's gonna happened
>>14493 Wait you mean you're not shitposting? Post the ad.
>>14493 Please tell me it's "Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING "
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>>14481 I really miss that kind of shit too. I was also there when Flynt was trying to demonize GamerGate so both /v/, /pol/ and /b/ spammed low effort memes that got him angry. >>14479 >The webring is far from bustling these days, but making another dead board when we're already trying to deal with the pre-existing lot is probably a drain either way. I mean, if no other website is hosting the same kind of board, it'd be cool. I'd dig a judiciary board and a webm-only board, for instance. On that note, someone should update this one. >>14481 No they definitely are all on Discord and most communities really hate it but deal with it because the alternatives don't appeal to them. >>14493 That's bullshit but I believe you
>>14493 Good news: tweaked some settings and managed to get it to over 3k/day >>14494 I would, but I'm worried someone will try something funny to to stop me It's for a board on this cafe, though
>>14498 Then unfortunately I already doubt you. In 3 days when the run is over you better post what it was. Also I hope the board is cuckquean.
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>>14499 Don't doubt me
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>>14500 oh no no no no
>>14500 Okay, this is epic
>>14498 >will be shown to over 3k people for 3 days >will be shown to over 9000 people god damn it
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>>14500 We'd better see some clickthrough analytics on that shit after the campaign's done.
>>14498 >It's for a board on this cafe, though Let me guess: Poetry and Lyrics?
>>14505 I'd enjoy hot single moms and cool old cats posting about poetry on an underwater basketweaving appreciation forum
>>14506 You might just live to see it
>>14506 OLD MEN ARE THE FUTURE
ITT: a bunch of slack jawed clueless newfags pretending to be le epic all knowing oldfags even though they joined during the last days of 8kun at peak decline because they heard about it on discord for being super edgy OR, even worse, after the 8kun migration when 8chan™ "we're not really 8chan" came up, because acid shilled on reddit since "redditors have a lot in common with us". In other words: die.
An interesting result in all of this debacle: during the last two days 8/v/ and 8moe itself had a peak of about 400 users but after Acidman responded negatively to doing absolutely anything about the /hebe/ situation their numbers were cleanly halved. That's also ignoring their PPH dropping on all boards barring /v/, /b/ and /hebe/ like a stone.
>>14510 >400 users That's horseshit, the board has been on the lower end of around 250-300 users and right now PoW is being used.
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>>14510 That's because a bunch of (((faggots))) jumped in to shitpost and after it calmed down they left.
>>14486 >>14493 >>14500 Did your sticker idea not satisfy you, you colossal nigger?
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>>14509 It's kinda surreal. I distinctly remember on early 8chan that /hebe/ and the other pedo boards were widely considered the "canary in the coal mine" for the site's commitment to free speech, and everyone was pretty butthurt when Jim barged in and removed them despite the fact they'd been text-only for a long time. In fact, I still have the images that were being posted everywhere when that happened. I don't think its odd that the users of the webring are more concerned with their favorite board's survival than they are for the parts of "freedom of speech" they don't like (although I do think it's sad), but it's weird to me that so many of the users around the so-called "8chan diaspora" appear to have adopted Jim's formerly-controversial stance, and some don't even seem to be being disingenuous about it.
>>14524 >that 2014 post by the soy goblin about "destroy me if I don't protect my users" Every time I see this post after what happened it never fails to amaze me how poorly it aged. Despite his confident indignation in that post, he ended up becoming the biggest traitor in imageboard history.
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>>14525 The views, behaviors, and visual appearances of Hotwheels VS The Bonegoblin are so diametrically opposed to each other that I can't help but think of them as two completely different people.
>>14524 >I don't think its odd that the users of the webring are more concerned with their favorite board's survival than they are for the parts of "freedom of speech" they don't like (although I do think it's sad), but it's weird to me that so many of the users around the so-called "8chan diaspora" appear to have adopted Jim's formerly-controversial stance, and some don't even seem to be being disingenuous about it. That's what happens when a series of shutdowns happen, I guess. Not many people actually think any further than generic "free speech" principles until something like this happens to force you to think about it -- or more accurately, the reality that "free speech isn't free" when Jews and SJW busybodies can get entire sites dragged down with the right justification. Selfish as it may be, people want stability when they're deprived a site they can settle down in, and if the cost is to sacrifice a "contentious" aspect that you never liked anyway, the average person would probably make that choice instantly when trying to be generically free has cost them.
>>14528 Even if you're no longer willing to put up with it just because you like stability (which is sensical) it's still concerning because this is basically a losing move and proof that free discussion is slowly losing ground. And we all know by now the slippery slope is definitely real.
>>14526 I think working under psycho pig farmer Jim fucked him up a bit as well. Started his metamorphosis, so to speak.
>>14529 I don't see what the alternative is.
>>14530 Jim might really have used him as a fuck sleeve.
>>14531 Autistically standing your ground and resisting deplatforming to the bitter end, or darknets. Pretty much that. Imagine needing a darknet but you don't even plan to break the law.
>>14533 So what are you saying, "Acid did nothing wrong"?
>>14466 >Damage control for Mark lol i see who you are now but i will play dice here, for all your perfectly valid arguments about him being severely incompetent rather than malicious (or both) we could say the same thing with the /cow/fags, either with Robi being a very distracted fellow never checking what the hell is his people doing, Flesh being a retard only there to sell merch and fix the stream so anything on-site is technically "not his job" and Dolphin being a larp of the real Dolphposter. See what i did there? >Then again I don't remember what activity most of the smaller boards A top 3 denizen who didn't care about the site's other boards, i can understand it but it puts you in a strange position because the webring is, after all, a very vocal reaction by those minority posters searching for bunkers and such.
>>14534 I was asked for an alternative to caving to censorship demands. I provided the alternative. The legality of whatever is going on on 8moe I'm not sure about. Whether or not it's a bad idea is another thing entirely. Whether or not Acid is a disingenuous cunt is also another thing entirely. So no, "Acid did nothing wrong" is not what I'm saying at all. Not even close.
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>>14529 >free discussion is slowly losing ground Free discussion will continue to loose ground until the big tech companies are busted up and called to task by either the Right (as revenge) or the Left (to ensured that they can't be deplatformed in turn) or both ("bipartisanship" lol). Also there's been people beginning to make waves against cancel culture for various reasons as it's beginning to get both obnoxious and dangerous to the stability of society. What imageboards have to do right now is just hold on. That's the best way we "fight" I think. Where we are right now as sub culture and more broadly as a society is the same position that Tyre was in When Alexander showed up at their door to conquer them. They actively resisted and Alexander pushed their shit in hard. If they had only just outwardly assented to his rule, which basically meant just paying some extra taxes, Alex would have just rode on and conquered someone else and in less than 10 years he would be dead and his empire collapsed without his "vision" (which was basically as The Great Crusade being run by Goku, crazy bastard loved a good fight.) Point is people who love free speech shouldn't give up but they shouldn't make a target out of themselves either until the tide turns and is with them and against the censors. I don't really like it but sometimes it's better to be practical for a time.
>>14537 >Also there's been people beginning to make waves against cancel culture for various reasons as it's beginning to get both obnoxious and dangerous to the stability of society. Examples, out of curiosity?
>>14489 >It got a recent board that has a living userbase of 38 in the form of /hisrol/ through no conscious effort strategized. Thats more new users not tied to an old board or a relative board They are Hispachan users, the latin american IB, who made a board because their place is a shit hunk ran/formerly ran by a jew (yeah, even them have those problems) and it never made that board or didn't have the dice tools. So they searched for solutions, they were also in the old 8 place IIRC. Don't be confused, they def use another main imageboard and many of them don't know english either. >>14524 I wasn't a /hebe/ user (really) but i lurked there to see what they were up to, just like i did with the recent 8moe one, and they are very different monsters. The former was just a bunch of weirdos and actual legit teenagers being horny with pictures of girls and jail bait eating ice cream. Not saying that's a good thing but it's there, the latter one which made all this racket is a place more similar to /loli/ except with real girls and going way over the line the old one never did or was quickly banned when seen, namely posting the popular filenames of spicy videos to search them somewhere and uploading cropped images of the real deal. Old hebe was a real canary that became a touch stone along with the Sunshine leaks, hence why many anons bailed to Endchan. If you ask me i can say i didn't mind the old board but the new one is asking for trouble hard. And like some anon said well, generally speaking people are cowards and cheapos, they will curtail "free speech" if it means using the same site althought that defition of free is also controversial; for me you can say anything you want except full doxxing with a believable death threat but the moment you upload a file is the moment you involve and compromise the site's servers, and that is just messing with somebody else's time and money.
>>14538 Well I know there's been a few celebrities recently speaking out against it recently including Dave Chappelle and one of the singers from The Who. And just yesterday over 100 retired US Generals signed a letter warning against Marxism and how it's a threat to Constitutional Freedom. There's also a bunch of laws beginning to be passed to oust teaching of critical race theory around the country, which is part of and parallel to the whole get woke or get canceled that has been rising over the past 10 to 15 years. It really seem like "woke"+ cancel culture might have finally reached a saturation point. It's just becoming too much of a burden and a liability for people across different walks of life to ignore it anymore.
>>14540 >including Dave Chappelle To be fair he's doing it because many black fans of his are trolling him a lot and wanting him out of circulation, current year Chapelle being an unfunny clone of the old one (as in a look-alike/biological clone using his name to cash-in) is a very popular idea since a couple of year by now.
>>14496 Oh tabitha; how I've missed thee
>>14524 I'd like to point out that although /hebe/ was used as an excuse to kick 8chan out (since they had several other issues with the Webring, including inviting journalists to their site, having one of the scummiest pieces of shit as one of their board owners who also broke several other boards for his own amusement and did not do much to help the webring itself grow), all the concerns thrown at Acid were legitimate and it's his insistence on not applying the common sense idea of unindexing the board that broke the camel's back. >>14529 The problem is that free discussion can only exist in a vacuum. None of the boards on the Webring have the power, money or commitment to protect stuff that borders on outright illegality (as opposed to ambiguous stuff like lolis or talks about geopolitical events or disparaging words against groups of people). Acid feels that he can do that, so he'd rather weather the storm alone and sacrifice stability for his ideology than seeing the world for what it is - remember that they kept losing followers every time they got kicked out, and they got kicked out plenty of times for much minor shit.
>>14545 >unindexing the board The issue with that is that due to the way cakechan works, /hebe/ needs to be accessed from somewhere in the site and cannot be typed into the address bar. Unless a /directory/ board is implemented, this would essentially make /hebe/ inaccessible and the Admins would much rather implement a hardcoded block for /hebe/ to not harm it's visibility or create even more tedium for "unsafe" boards. Not that there's any issue with that but Acid wants to put his money where his mouth is even with the board being severly neutered and doing nothing but invite bad actors.
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Results so far: 4500 people reached, 50 clicks. Honestly, it surprises me how easy this is. They don't check whether you're affiliated with what you're advertising at all. Anybody with a few hundred to spare could send hundreds of thousands of people to any board they don't like. Of course I'm only throwing pocket change at this thing, so that not too many newfriends come. Also I might just make an ad for smug/a/, I think they're going to like it. >>14503 Sorry anon, I extended the ad, it's more like 4-5k people for 4 days now. >>14505 Nah, actually the board is /pro/. >>14512 Why? To get new users, of course.
>>14552 beautiful, keep it up
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>>14552 1. buy ads all over the internet 2. make sure that the rules and "lurk before you post" are the first things they see when they come in 3. have mods on standby ready to ban/warn faggots who didn't lurk enough 4. ??? 5. new users Imagine being a partly awakened person browsing normaldrone websites because that's all you know about, and then suddenly you sees an ad for a comfy fan community for something. What do you mean a community? You mean like twitter? A small cozy website is something they didn't even know to exist because everything is in big social media now. So they click the ad and wtf, there's all kinds of fun images, people are saying things I've never heard anyone say before, they sound like real people instead of fake people, they're casually using words that should get you banned in a heartbeat. Wait, doesn't this look kind of like that hacker 4chan, but somehow it's different. They are actually discussing things and not just shouting at each other and planning racist terror attacks. They're kind of rude, but somehow more real than the people I know. Since when has this secret special place existed? Wait what's that, a "webring"? There's more? What are all these places? It's like Atlantis was alive and beneath us all along.
>>14554 That's the idea. Even if some anons here have reservations regarding who's gonna come in, everyone here got started somewhere. You aren't an imageboard user by birth. As for Facebook, everybody and their uncle and aunty uses it so when we're looking for actual new blood, it's the top horse. Especially combined with their cheap and easy ad management system. With that, it looks like the "stagnant userbase" problem is finally no longer an issue.
>>14555 That's optimistic, this implies any of those 50 people who clicked will even keep it in their mind or post in the first place.Or if they're people at all.
>>14556 That was just the beginning. We'll see.
>>14552 Monitoring this thread.
>>14552 Alright guys, the /a/ ad is live.
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>>14552 It'd be fun if we could convince people that Smuglo is some moe character from some obscure anime they never heard of. Also wait, it's a hundred backs to advertise stuff?
>>14561 No, you can start as low as $1. You get around 5-8k reach for every $10.
>>14562 It also largely depends on what audience you choose to target; location, age, interests, sex etc. can all change the way your ad performs.
>>14563 Target hot moms if you're brave enough
>>14564 I can do that, yeah. I can specify over 65 year olds only, too.
>>14565 That'd be pretty good for something like /pol/ or /christian/.
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Results of the first hour. So far, it's doing much better than the /pro/ ads.
>>14564 If you're a strong, virile man you'll do as this anon just said
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>>14552 >>14567 I don't like this. I don't like this at all.
>>14554 >>14555 I feel like if we play our cards right, this could lead to a renaissance of traditional, decentralized, pre-social-media websites. On top of a cozy community, imageboards and forums as cliquey as the latter was give you one more thing that social media doesn't: a place to hold long-term discussions. You can start a thread on whatever subreddit you like, but it'll fall off page 1 by tomorrow and there's nothing you can do about it. Here? All you have to do is bump it. Plus, posts in a thread are sorted chronologically, so the discussion is easier to follow. And everyone's posts are equally visible. Compare that to Reddit where only the posts with the most upvotes are seen by anyone, or Twitter where you may as well be shouting into the void if you don't have enough followers.
>>14570 >pre-social-media websites By relying on social media for recruitment? Depending on how it plays out it could go great but that is heavily reliant on who it lands, if they're actually interested and if they're complete normalfags, Smug might be just tame enough for their tastes.
>>14571 I don't like social media either and think this whole thing sounds like a scam, but where the fuck would you find people to join your website otherwise? Mailing random strangers until one is dumb enough to click the link? Pidgeon carriers saying >>14453 Come be racist and post loli on THE WEBRING ?
>>14571 I mean, most people don't know anything besides social media. It's as this >>14554 anon said.
>>14571 >By relying on social media for recruitment? Yeah. Like >>14554 said, the target audience isn't full-blown normalfags, but rather people who might primarily use social media yet feel like they could be on a better place (though they're not sure what kind of place). I wonder if it's also possible to appeal to millennials who did use forums/etc in their youth, but moved to social media once all their forum buddies did.
>>14574 Going abandoned-forum-to-abandoned-forum was something I planned on doing for a long time, but half of the ones I knew shut down.
>>14573 Social media is Web 2.0. Discord, Telegram and snapchat are Web 3.0. Kids are moving away from social media and starting to use private chat rooms all in a single program instead. >>14575 Most forums end up being left up but filled with spam bots these days.
>>14573 Fuck said "people" then.
>>14577 Having been lucky enough to discover imageboards doesn't make anon special.
>>14572 MAL, massive fags that they are, aren't that different from Smug in culture. ZZZ/v/fags, maybe as a result of the discussion here, considered advertising to RPGCodex and NMA. Don't know any gun forums 8/k/ can advertise to besides maybe leeching off popular gun review channels./co/ can do something similar but it risks inviting the spergy mouth breathers that infested 8/co/ before the shutdown. >>14576 >Most forums end up being left up but filled with spam bots these days. Only forum I used to go to is infested with pronounfags and Breadtube watching pseudo intellectuals. Some used to share the translation for MGE 8chan a while back but that was years ago and userbase purges and moderation changes happened since then. It was a forum with a Science fiction aesthetic with a major focus on VS debates, Fanfiction and Politics.
>>14579 You went to an atheist forum didn't you?
>>14580 Nope, it was a somewhat generic Sci-fi forum that had multiple offshoots that are even worse off. I also forgot to include that they have a pretty major part for quest faggotry,RP and "timeloops".
>>14581 https://russellnewquist.com/2016/04/perversion-science-fiction-fantasy-fandom/ tl;dr Sci fi is absolutely full of pedos who use it as a platform to push their sexual interests into the mainstream. Fucking disgusting and really put me off most sci fi at this point.
>>14582 Who fucking cares, nu/pol/.
>>14581 >Nope, it was a somewhat generic Sci-fi forum that had multiple offshoots that are even worse off. Make them come to /cyber/
>>14582 Go back.
>>14583 >>14585 Hi Pedophiles. Strange you're in this thread when people are shitting on Mark. How many of you are convicted or about to get a visit from a party van?
>>14586 I'm not a pedophile, not like that matters, because being a pedophile isn't illegal. Now go back to where you came from. 4chan /pol/ is probably much more your speed, where you can RP about how actually the entire world is ruled by a clique of pedophiles.
>>14552 Anon what have you started.
>>14588 zzzchan.xyz/japan/
>>14588 >Anon what have you started. Something great
>>14588 Imagine paying for ads for your opponents to own them https://archive.is/XATph
>>14591 The nigger has 10k and he'll add more. This will result in an esther situation, get ready.
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>>14552 >>14588 >>14591 This could lead to something great.
The dost test isn't a law and there certainly hasn't been anything left up on 8chan.moe that's against US law. This is simply the truth, cry and screech all you want.
>>14596 the fuck did mlpol did to them at this point it's clear it can't be an 8moe fag but just someone out against the webring
>>14597 Nope, its a faggot that won 100k from the dogecoin debacle that posted there before.
>>14592 >Dropping 10k on an ad That's MILLIONS of people. What I did is nothing compared to that.
>>14599 He's dividing it between boards but thats still a lot of fags.
>>14600 And now he just went to advertise to cuckchan.
>>14601 source?
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>>14603 Do we have proof that they even did anything with it and aren't just pretending?
>>14604 I haven't seen the 4chan ad yet.
Great
>>14606 A zzzchan staff member says it's edited but I'm not sure how thats true besides the blurry numbers.
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>>14607 He's lying, I talked to a real zzzchan staff member who thinks I'm on their side lmao and he/she/xhe admitted it's actually them/thon doing this whole thing to destroy the webring. Watch out from zzzchan lies! Stay safe brother.
>>14608 Thank you President Trump. Trust the plan, MAGA 2020.
>>14552 >>14606 Holy fuck now buy some ads on cuckchan, they have self serve ads. I'll mock up some banners if you want.
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I just had a meeting with the top chan leader, he said this is all part of a plan to bring the webring to the next level. Two more days.
>>14611 Fake news. Trump already debunked this.
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8moe made it stop being funny, so I turned off the ads. Still got good numbers, though. It doesn't look like anything bad actually happened on Smug, so I guess that means this is a totally fine way of advertising. >>14591 Those numbers honestly make me doubt he's spending 10k. This result I got (pic related) cost about $20. Also the fact that >>14606 he apparently got billed the full amount on the same day, which isn't how it works. You set a budget and then the cost gradually increases as your ad runs, and they only bill you after a certain time or money threshold. Add to that how his receipt email oddly doesn't look like the ones I receive. Speaking just from my experience here however, could be mistaken.
>>14613 What if you tried finishing the ad campaign but specified a single, innocuous board? Some place like /lang/ or /comfy/ could work.
>>14614 >>>/comfy/ could you not?
>>14613 Honestly you should have advertised PLW instead. The posting there is so dismally bad that nobody would even notice if people are coming in and shitting the place up, or, the more likely outcome, is that post quality would have probably actually improved.
>>14614 Well, I did advertise /pro/. Whatever, I'm done with it for now.
>>14615 This, not only would it attract unwanted attention, but it'd be harder to find a target audience. "Place to talk about anime" reaches a more definite group than "place to chill and be comfy". /lang/ would work since there's people who like learning languages, but there'd need to be links to resources first to draw them in. I doubt they'd want to stay with every OP saying "empty at the moment" on their lists of resources. I would suggest /retro/, but most people's idea of nostalgia is "dude remember dunkaroos and nicktoons?"-type stuff. I'm afraid it'd overrun the other discussions we've got going on there. Then again, said discussions might invite them to join in and share their own thoughts... If we decide to continue on this, it's probably best to determine which boards could handle an increase in newcomers and which ones find it risky. We advertise the former boards and let them act as a filter for the latter boards. Both groups will get more users, but the latter ones will get them at a lower rate they can hopefully manage.
>>14620 Eh, it looks like smug/a/'s user count actually decreased slightly during the campaign, even with almost 1k clicks. I guess that means even such a bold and drastic move as this does absolutely diddly squat to attract more users, which must mean the webring has absolutely no hope of getting new blood.
>>14621 Damn. There's got to be another way that doesn't involve getting to know the right people and sharing it through them.
I find it funny Acid and Mark suddenly NOW care about the webring and fixing their plugin. I bet they were sitting there in their IRC laughing about how we were giving them free advertising without them reciprocating anything. They took our good will and saw it as them outsmarting us. Do not forget Mark is actually Jewish.
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>>14621 Where did everyone go when old 8chan fell apart the first time? >>14622 What about making friends with another imageboard community? Maybe one of the Japanese boards or one of the European boards?
>>14620 >I doubt they'd want to stay with every OP saying "empty at the moment" on their lists of resources. I'm really sorry about that, my life's kind of a mess >>14625 Mark? Probably, he's that kind of "man". Acid? Nah, I think he genuinely thinks that all he did was a good idea. I can imagine Codexx giving him shit for what he did right about now.
>>14620 >I'm afraid it'd overrun the other discussions we've got going on there. As long as the topics are properly threaded, what would be the problem? Cuckchan tendency to make junk threads constantly aside, of course.
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>>14613 Guy just took everyone for a ruse cruise. Sorry for the panic posting.
>>14629 >Mark? Probably, he's that kind of "man". Mark is slimy, jewish, low functioning autist without any filters. He sees things he doesn't like, he has a panic attack, he deletes and bans everyone opposing him, then when the backlash comes he proceeds to make excuses, as more criticism piles up he sees himself trapped and just shuts it down in a fit hoping no one will remember. And, shockingly, this has worked well enough for him that he's gone 6 years actively harming and destroying the community he ran, and somehow STILL having a following of loyal mouthbreathers. >Acid? Nah, I think he genuinely thinks that all he did was a good idea. Acid, on the other hand, is smarter and more subtle, don't kid yourself, he's just as slimy as the kike, but he doesn't show it as much. He has more of a way with words, he seems decently skilled at PR talk crafted to fool people who are willing to give him the benefit of doubt. I don't know what kind of hidden agenda he's got honestly, on the surface it's rather blatant he wants the webring and every other board dead or a mere puppet of 8chan™, but after all the shit he's pulled I wonder whether he's legit trying to get people v&. Unfortunately for him, he chose the worst possibly ally. Weren't it for Mark he'd actually have way more people on his site right now, but then again, I wonder who on earth would be desperate enough to team up with someone as shady as him. It had to be Mark, they're birds of a feather, the yin and the yang, and, as long as they are anywhere near a leading role on any anonymous imageboard, that place will always be the black sheep, resented, shittalked, and demonized.
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>>14632 Can you make such a deep and detailed psychological evaluation on HangingFlesh, Gahoole, Tengu, Pasta, the greekfag that ruled /k/ and Robi next?
>>14632 The lore of all this imageboard drama is getting so deep that you could write a novel based on it.
>>14634 To be fair 8chan as everyone knows it was born of drama.You also have to be a special kind of autistic or sketchy to put in money and effort in managing and maintaining a community of outcasts in larger numbers
>>14632 I just wish there was a good /v/ somewhere. Every vidya board either on cake or on the webring is just a fraction of old 8/v/. I could handle it if it were just 8/v/ with fewer anons posting but instead they all seem like they are some fragment or facet of /v/. Doesn't help either that all of the fragments seem to mutually dislike each other.
>>14636 Fat/v/ was meant to be that, but alas, it was not meant to be because Tom is a limp-wristed bitch.
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>>14466 >I was talking about Hanging Flesh and company and them harboring Dolphin who was banned off the /int/ bunker for having CP. Robi essentially cave them the keys to the kingdom. >/int/ bunker Nice attempt, John.
>>14633 This. Include dolphin too since I'm sure he'll read it.
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>>14639 And I will leave a special image to John.
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>He's so mad someone mad fun of him he's spamming the thread. How pathetic do you have to be?
Someone got triggered.
>>14685 >>14686 he REALLY doesn't like people posting his /r9k/ stuff
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Holy shit posting on imageboards anymore is like being a sorcerer. If you wright the wrong incantation by mistake an autistic demon will appear and scream at you until you can get the damn thing banished or it gets bored and leaves of its own accord.
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>>14(6)88 In the obsessive quest to define everything from the outside as dumb and to become different from everyone else, we have become just as bad as everyone else.
Btw, I've not had anything to do with any kind of stickers, whoever did that wasn't me. Just to clarify. >>14519
>>14633 I'm certain you're ironic but I'll bite anyway >HangingFlesh To this day I still don't know who that is other than the fact he is/was involved with julay. >Gahoole Attention whore but probably the least bad of the bunch. He seems genuine unlike fags like Acid and Mark. He does have a better understanding of imageboards and how to have fun with them, or that's the impression he left me. >Tengu Irrelevant attention whore faggot with the mind of a 12 year old. He'd be dead and forgotten if people stopped giving him attention further fueling his hunger. Unfortunately his "opponents" are twice as stupid and thus his name lives on. Ultimately I don't give a shit since, being both cancer, whichever side wins, i win. >Pasta Again, don't know who that is. These attention whoring namefags sprout like mushrooms nowadays. >Greekfag that ruled /k/ Never browsed /k/ since they all glow in the dark brighter than the sun so I can't express myself on the matter. >Robi All I know is that he ran/runs julay but I barely browsed there so.
>>14691 >HangingFlesh Elder IRC sage and global who was the main antagonist in the April 2020 Julay/v/ meltdown. >Pasta Owner of zchan, got bullied in meta threads and nuked his site after 2 months supposedly Dolphin doxed him and threatened to call in the horde if he didn't comply. >Robi Owner of Julay, either conspired with or got duped by HangingFlesh into handing Julay/v/ off to an absolute retard after the old BO left. Robi proceeded to fuck shit up further during the whole Tengu affair by keeping HangingFlesh in power and even handing him board ownership of /v/ for a few hours despite the entire userbase hating him at that point. I miss pre-February 2020 Julay/v/, it was comfy.
>>14691 Anon I asked for a deep psychological evaluation like you did the duo. That kind of summary is the same as any other user could give. I personally think people writing diatribes like they know them personally are bitter and autistic, they're entertaining and cathartic, but they lack the self awareness to understand how much they write is overblown vitriol and how much is fact. Gahoole is genuinely retarded and is directly responsible for /tv/s current state, as him giving up and giving moderation rights to whoever resulted to what we have now since before the webring days.
>>14694 I don't think he can give one because he doesn't know shit about who he's talking about. To be fair I don't think anyone is equipped to handle all of them because knowing each requires you to spend time in their respective circlejerks. He should've just declined the request for moar.
>>14626 >Where did everyone go when old 8chan fell apart the first time? Define first time. >>14692 >I miss pre-February 2020 Julay/v/ Like someone said, it wasn't meant to be, all /v/ boards are persecuted by someone else wanting to see them burn. Mark, Tengu, GG spamming and false flagging boards who hate them, it goes on and on.
>>14697 >Tengu Tengu saved Julay/v/ from being ruled by HangingFlesh, a worse and more dishonest BO than Mark ever was or could be. I'd argue Julay/v/ was doomed the moment the old BO became MIA that led to the long line of succession.
>>14697 >Define first time. Well I guess there are two events that destroyed the population of 8chan. There was Josh's failed upgrade that seemed to strangle the population and then there was the Great Deplatforming that scattered the remaining population to the winds. But still what happened to everyone after both events?
>>14700 There was "Esther's Attack 1". There was also "The return to 8kun and escape from the loli-ban" and "Esther's attack 2" (though that only counts for /v/ after the 8kun fallout).
>>14698 Go away Tengu, nobody really likes the hehpill >>14700 >But still what happened to everyone after both events? From what i understand the first event you mention ("fix your shit cripplekike" being its climax meme) anons either returned like good little cucks to the old place, coming back later sometimes and being a big chunk of the crossposters, or some others went to Endchan which was by that point a small bunker site (nowadays a big site by webring standards). Others like /sp/ roamed around but many of them abdicated too and went to the 4. The second event is the most puzzling one, honestly i always said the numbers of 8c were inflated because many of the global PPH numbers were either from Qfags or bunker boards with people who were waiting for their old place to go up sooner or later and who rarely went outside their zone, like Hispachan, BRchan and Krautchan. Not to mention the hidden boards from some latin american cities that traded local girl packs. My guess is that we weren't that many but because we thought we were and we always posted that inertia went on and on. Many are here in the webring, others also went to Endchan too (at least the argentinians AFAIK) and i don't doubt some others returned to the 4 again. In my lurking wanderings on the 4 recently i've seen filenames and opinions exactly the same as the ones in some niche boards on 8 from around 2018, so they were there somewhat recently can't believe we are almost 2 years from the deplatforming incident
>>14697 >Like someone said, it wasn't meant to be, all /v/ boards are persecuted by someone else wanting to see them burn. Mark, Tengu, GG spamming and false flagging boards who hate them, it goes on and on. The problem is that /v/ itself outside of 4chan is a very different beast. It's basically Random-with a hint of videogames. There's many anons that just go on /v/ to talk politics and post porn on GamerGate. There used to be tons more of shitposters through 4AM/Filename/Webm threads. Frankly, anyone who takes on a /v/ needs to either be a rulecuck or a narcisist who thinks that he can do no wrong, which is why all the /v/ boards are shit for different reasons. >>14702 >My guess is that we weren't that many but because we thought we were and we always posted that inertia went on and on. I think what helped a lot was the fact that Journalists were utterly terrified of anything related to 8chan as the site wasn't playing the same game as 4chan and was much more in line with a traditional imageboard (which 4chan has ceased to be for about seven years now). It attracted a certain mystique to the site, meaning we had a lot of lurkers who were terrified of the high number of more-focused-by-4c's standards posters, which in turn inflated site traffic and made it look more potent than it really was. You really cannot understate how much terror anonymity brings to people who are not used to it.
>>14703 >which is why all the /v/ boards are shit for different reasons. /vg/ was the closest thing to the idyllic 2014 8/v/, which is the golden bar for me as someone who never visited or knew 4/v/ before 2006. Sadly it lasted 3 months only, /vg/ at least withstood a year and half before anons started moving to it in significant numbers. I agree someone in charge of a /v/ (a classical full-on legacy /v/ i mean) is either someone with a death wish or a messiah in his own head but for the alternative boards looking for the mythical qualityposting i think the only requirements, as contradictory as they are, should be constant communication like justifying/informing all moves and the man not being an attention whore. It can be done, it was done before, but for one reason or another they do not continue due to external reasons. >You really cannot understate how much terror anonymity brings to people who are not used to it. It is a powerful and addictive feeling, those who look from the outside do get worried about people talking their real mind and i can get an idea how terrified they are, after all they did pull a ton of dirty ops on us just to disrupt the flow.
>>14703 >It's basically Random-with a hint of videogames. Most threads are videogames for all of them and discussion was mainly dominated by the game being discussed Unless it was 2016 during the election. >meaning we had a lot of lurkers who were terrified of the high number of more-focused-by-4c's standards posters Anon this explains the lurkers lost, but not the PPH and art-fags for big boards or smaller board regulars lost with it.
>>14702 >My guess is that we weren't that many but because we thought we were and we always posted that inertia went on and on. So maybe our problem isn't that we need more posters, we just all need to post more.
>>14706 so we need more posters
>>14707 We need to find decent places to advertise. There have to be some forums out there that would attract people who might be interested.
>>14708 I can't imagine complete normalniggers getting into this shit now. I think the only people who'd be willing to dive into this webring autism are those who are already familiar with imageboards. Some newer 4chan spinoffs or reddits would be the best place to find like-minded people for your /a/s and /v/s. The very idea is revolting but we're already full of the reddit/twitter mindset as it is. Only difference is how much we're stagnating. If you really want this pipe dream to continue I think we're going to have to adapt to the next generation of posters or die. Personally, I'm opting for the latter. It's one of the reasons why I haven't been shilling my shitboards. Better dead than reddit.
>>14709 >or reddits I would consider small bulletin board forums way over actual Reddit. >spoiler And it is true, with them we would die a more painful death.
>>14709 New people would use the webring if everyone here wasn't such an obnoxious snob who'd sooner accept /leftypol/ and discord trannies who are trying to destroy this place than allow a newfag to say the wrong word. If you also stopped being such a stubborn grandpa who's unwilling to move on from using fax machines an added new features to imageboards, you could attract all kinds of people. sdasd lynxchan is a pile of garbage sdfgsgd
>>14711 >new features Such as?
>>14711 >Redditspacing >unwilling to move on from using fax machines an added new features to imageboards We have considerably better features than plenty of other sites, unless you want your share buttons to link shit with zogbook or your porn streaming site. Also, at least in the case of anon.cafe, people aren't as snob as the other sites so that argument is thin here.
FAKE NEWS This is your friendly local reporting tengu 'bout to lay a FAT egg on you. Autistic screeching noises can be heard zapping your brain for miles this week. This is of course because of the pedo shitflinging that's taken the webring by storm the last few months. It reached a crescendo when /hebe/, yes THAT /hebe/, was founded on 8gag. Torpedoposting ensued, so you can guess what happened next. Shortly afterwards, it was delisted and cancelled on all other major boards. Responding to complaints, the owner defended it as free speech it in what all present can describe as a massive PR blunder. This statement among others did nothing to rectify the anal damage that had been inflicted. As a result, it is this reporting agency's firm belief that they will not be uncancelled any time soon. When approached for mental gymnastics, Acid responded with >wew This is clearly an expression of severe regret over my unjustified termination as his PR manager. This tengu is still not coming back. In other -more relevant- news, the officially licensed Touhou gachashit has finally come to the west. Titled Touhou 「LostWord」 (one word), it features the standard predatory business practices that comes with the territory. With this release, the shoe is finally on the other foot for ZUN's stance on commercialization of his series. This reporter fully expects it to recline harder than ever with secondaries flooding the nation since they are stuck at home with nothing better to do. With each tippy tap of the occultic picture slab, you can rest assured that a little piece of Gensokyo will die right along with my soul. To the attentive Anon, you may have noticed an increase in tribal shilling from our kind over the past 2 weeks. Pay it no mind, for the owner of this publicly funded reporting agency has given the order that she doesn't want her name to be besmirched in any way. Unfortunately that means you'll have to deal with paid tengu shills, much like you do with the wumao. This tengu wishes that high command would stop acting like the CCP and let it go already. Nobody wants to touch their magical cardboard after the public learned that the price was manipulated by the likes of Elon Musk. Teenbros around the globe are all coming together to celebrate one last GET on smug/a/. After a long hard road, filled with drama, deplatforming, and destruction, they are slated to reach the million post milestone. It's quickly shaping up to be quite the event, you won't want to miss it. There is even going to be a tea party afterwards. This reporting agency will personally be taking part... If it happens during working hours. Regardless of the outcome, I would like to wish you all luck on your ventures while we warmly wait for the end. If anyone has a POZ LOAD TIP or HOT TAKE they want to share with their friendly local reporting agency, this tengu is MORE THAN WILLING to perform sexual favors in exchange for information. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO: coprophilia, henri, kink-shaming, ota trip worship, and allowing you to use Hatate in any way you see fit. Find me everywhere because I'm apparently omnipresent for more details. This has been your friendly local reporting tengu, signing off.
>>14712 Ability to put images in the middle of text instead of just the beginning Ability to reply to images instead of posts Ability to add "stamps" (small flag-like images) onto other people's posts Oekaki A per-thread live drawing canvas that anyone can draw and paste images into Polls Bigger board banners Persistent image galleries that the author can maintain YTMND-like pages that users can create and reply to Some kind of wiki-like way to organize information A sidebar that allows you to pin threads and see updates to them without keeping them open A list of currently active threads (8chan did it once upon a time but it was shit) Different post types, for example posting an audio and image file and they get displayed in a special way Live post updates (jschan kind of does it) UX design that's not FOSS-tier garbage (jschan leads at this as well) The userbase is by far the bigger problem though. Nobody wants to start using a website where everyone's constantly attacking you for the slightest thing and trying to prove how "in" they are by hating everyone and everything that's different than some specific template of personality and interests.
>>14711 >if everyone here wasn't such an obnoxious snob who'd sooner accept /leftypol/ and discord trannies who are trying to destroy this place than allow a newfag to say the wrong word True. I don't fall into this though, I have no problems with newfags in theory but in practice usually find them unbearable because the whole lurking thing seems to have gotten lost during the late 00s early 10s reddit influx to 4chan. >stopped being such a stubborn grandpa who's unwilling to move on from using fax machines an added new features to imageboards Pff, like what exactly? Just because things like the interface haven't changed much (don't fix what isn't broken) doesn't mean shit, in terms of features imageboards are actually packed in comparison to a lot of other shit niggers use. >>14714 lol go away nigger >>14715 >Ability to put images in the middle of text instead of just the beginning Why the fuck would you want inline images? Ever? >Ability to reply to images instead of posts Are you retarded? Reply to the post containing the image you fucking dolt >Ability to add "stamps" (small flag-like images) onto other people's posts So fucking upboats is your suggestion? >Oekaki Already a feature in various imageboard software >A per-thread live drawing canvas that anyone can draw and paste images into This sounds like it just needs to be its own thing if you want that, it sounds like those sites where you crowd-draw something inspired by that reddit thing. >Polls These are almost never used and there are a ton of external polling sites that don't require shit to set up, but this so far is about the only suggestion that makes sense >Bigger board banners You're just pulling shit out of your ass by this point. You can upload a banner of any size you want on every imageboard software I know of. You've never been limited to any specific size. People just default to the 300x100 standard due to it being a longstanding tradition and banners should match the size of old banners, it would be weird if all of your banners were different sizes. >Persistent image galleries that the author can maintain Imageboards are designed to not be persistent. >YTMND-like pages that users can create and reply to What does this have to do with imageboards? This is the most ridiculous and out-of-scope request of them all >Some kind of wiki-like way to organize information Again out of scope. What does a wiki have to do with anything related to imageboards? Go to a wiki if you need a wiki. >A sidebar that allows you to pin threads and see updates to them without keeping them open Already exists, lern 2 "watch threads" >A list of currently active threads (8chan did it once upon a time but it was shit) Finally something that at least makes sense >Different post types, for example posting an audio and image file and they get displayed in a special way Already exists on most imageboard software >Live post updates (jschan kind of does it) I was going to comment on this but then again I'm not a programming wizard so I may be wrong so whatever >UX design that's not FOSS-tier garbage They're all the fucking same. It has nothing to do with "FOSS." This is what an imageboard looks like ever since futaba channel. New imageboards just have a lot more QOL features. Jesus Christ that was a bad post anon.
>>14716 Thanks for the demonstration. You're deliberately coming up with any excuse you can think of to reject literally every single thing that differs from convention.
>>14711 I'd adopt a good faith newfag anytime.
>>14717 No, your suggestions are just bad. If they were good you can explain what exactly these things add to an imageboard. While we're at it we should add git hosting, that's wonderfully out-of-scope as well. And tracking torrents because why not. In fact, why doesn't twitter add these things too? Surely that's the only thing keeping twitter from being popular, just tack on as many unnecessary features to web software and bloat it out the ass. That should help with activity. The truth is it has nothing to do with a lack of features. I can list numerous advantages imageboards have over normalnigger stuff like twitter. But the normalniggers are all on twitter and not here because of completely different reasons. The reason we don't get people is because we build communities with imageboards that are made to cater specifically to people who are outside of the norm. There's a reason we classify most people as normalniggers, because they embody the norm and we are an exceptionally small minority by this point. It's not the damn software, you don't need a terrible bloated feature set to attract lowest-common-denominator retards. In fact, normalnigger lowest-common-denominators are overwhelmingly attracted to things with less features because it's easier for them to wrap their nigger brains around options menus with 2 settings.
>>14715 >>14717 If you believe in these things, you should make imageboard software that includes them, or contribute them to existing imageboard software. Proof's in the pudding.
To anyone who thinks features are the reason for low activity (probably nobody else), ask yourself why every site in the webring has a higher feature set than 4chan and 4chan has more activity.
>>14715 >Oekaki Already exists in some boards on the ring >Bigger board banners Already exists but is rarely employed due to being unpractical >A sidebar that allows you to pin threads and see updates to them without keeping them open Already exists with the eye button >A list of currently active threads You mean like the overboard? >The userbase is by far the bigger problem though Then why didn't you start with that you nigger monkey. The other features like >Ability to add "stamps" onto other people's posts >Persistent image galleries by author >Some kind of wiki-like way to organize information >Live post updates ...are much more things related to social media than actual imageboard things. In order they would be pseudo-emoticons/like buttons, a personal image upload space that can identify someone, a meta meta-guide to explain it for newfags and a "...is writing" sign that are interesting but have not much relevance or spirit towards what IBs are. The rest like polls, group oekaki and post formatting tools do sound like nice ideas but honestly i think you are just trying to find imperfections and project an utopian ideal rather than trying to find an actual solution because i bet that if we even had those things people still wouldn't come around because they are PPH addicts: They already deal with places without multi-image posting, muted webm, 4mb limits and no CSS. The problem is not the quality but the quantity, and everyone here already knows by experience that if you try to pander to one you lose the other, and then both at the long run. Hence why everyone is so cautious trying to do anything. If that wasn't the case people would be shilling much harder in shitty places already.
Too much free speech lets degeneracy thrive and too little free speech stifles creativity and discussion. If I wanted to revel in degeneracy or have boring surface level discussions I could go pretty much anywhere else on the Internet. It's not the main reason I got into imageboards in the first place, it was the creative aspect and interesting discussion of various subjects in an easy to use format, that doesn't require accounts or anything. The constant gay ass autistic drama is rather off putting. One of the main reasons I generally prefer anonymous discussion is to avoid drama in the first place. The negative tone of a lot of anons have isn't very attractive either. I've had enough blackpills for one lifetime already. It's nice to see some anons starting to think in a more positive light after the "great deplatforming" though, but you guys still have some problems to sort out before you'll attract more good posters. t. lurker
>>14719 The goal is to add more ways for people to have fun and interact with the site and each other and express themselves. >twitter doesn't have that therefore it can't make imageboards more fun and appealing Just listen to yourself. But okay, I've got time. >>14716 >Why the fuck would you want inline images <at first I was like <but then I was like You must seriously lack imagination if you think it can't be used in fun ways. Or useful ways if you're making a long effortpost. For example I could have replied to this particular thing right now with an image instead of pinktext, which is much more intuitive both to me and the reader than attaching it to the post and saying "pic related" at some point (which also starts getting confusing if there's more than 1 image). >Reply to the post containing the image People are significantly more likely to do something if there's a feature for it, than they would to mimick the behavior without the feature. Replying to images is similar to what moot's failed website was where you remix other people's images. You take someone's image and modify it. It could become part of the local imageboard culture to have back and forths modifying other people's images. If you reply to an image then it's more obvious that you're replying to the image and not the content of the post. It's a new way to respond to someone. I mean let's inverse this question: why would it be a BAD idea to have this feature? >upboats If you couldn't sage and I was here right now suggesting an ability to not bump a thread when you post, you would be rejecting it and calling it downvoting. Do you also think backlinks are upvotes? I think you need to stop letting reddit live rent free in your head. >Oekaki >Already a feature in various imageboard software Which not a single one of the webring boards are using. I'm also talking about an oekaki that's more integrated to the website, for instance you should be able to REPLY TO AN IMAGE and get the oekaki in a popup and let you draw over other people's images without having to load it to a third party editor and then save it and upload it separately. >This sounds like it just needs to be its own thing if you want that Why are you so opposed to new ways of having fun on imageboards? >You can upload a banner of any size you want Yet almost literally nobody does it. The images could be huge banners that span the entire page. Imageboards are all about images, it's in the very name "imageboard", there should be more images. You can express a lot more if the banner is bigger, you could put huge collabs and compilations to the top to express the community. The traditional banner size is barely even visible on modern monitor resolutions. >Imageboards are designed to not be persistent Who's pulling shit out of his ass now? Most imageboard users these days want the boards to be archived, you'll get a horde of angry niggers attacking you if you claim that archives shouldn't exist. People are constantly obsessing over having quality threads in the catalog and not making "low effort" threads because it would compromise something else in the catalog. >What does this have to do with imageboards? It's like an extended version of a thread that's based on the OP being some kind of OC. >out-of-scope request And here's your problem, you have way too narrow of a definition about what imageboards are allowed to be like. >What does a wiki have to do with anything related to imageboards How about all the projects people do and wikis people make for threads and/or boards? Why use some shitty third party wiki when you could organize the information directly in the imageboard? A wiki isn't complicated, it's quite literally just some static HTML pages that link to each other. >Already exists No. >Already exists on most imageboard software No. There's only one kind of post you can make. >They're all the fucking same Not even fucking remotely close you illiterate monkey. Right on this imageboard I have to complete the captcha twice to post, one of them in a separate page instead of in the post form, and I also have to refresh the page because it gives me the wrong captcha since it expired while it was loaded on the report form. The post form has a huge javascript upload box without js, doesn't float without javascrpt, the submit button doesn't react to my cursor and is generally too big. Copypasting post numbers to reply is annoying because it easily selects some empty spaces. The links to catalog/index should be at the top bar. All the text on the post header is mushed together with no space inbetween (e.g. time and post number look like they're part of the same string). The links to go to the top/bottom don't appear in the catalog or overboard. The filename (see: the most useful piece of information) is last in the file info and gets clipped out if it's too long and requires you to hover over it to see it and there's some useless "open file" text wasting space. Posts with multiple images look like cancer, the image isn't vertically aligned with OP post, it's so bad that
Here's a cool new feature: pink text. You do it by using "<" instead of ">". Could be really useful!
Posts with multiple images look like cancer, the image isn't vertically aligned with OP post, it's so bad that the file descriptions of adjacent images look like it's part of the same text. When you post a reply you're taken to the full version of the thread instead of +50 version. If I recall there's something retarded about the way reply links work, I think if you click it in some context it will take you to a different page instead of jumping to the post. You just don't see any of this because you're so used to it. And that's just the UX that I can immediately think of, and it doesn't include UX related to making your own scripts and styles due to abysmally retarded HTML page structure and CSS. Above is the part that got invisibly clipped out of >>14724 instead of informing me that the post was too long.
>>14723 If you and your passive kin posted more things like this would be more bearable, but then again it's our fault for always replying "lurk moar" t. pro poster >>14724 For example this guy needs to lurk moar because he isn't aware of tons of features we and some other sites already have, i am guilty of saying that.
>>14724 Just go to reddit or discord. You'll have fun there, faggot.
>>14729 Not an argument.
whats the deal with the advertising autism? can i get a quick rundown? is the webring dream over?
>>14731 Nothing really happened. But everyone is afraid of new users as they complain of no new users.
>>14709 There are still some actual forums out there that might have people who would be interested. I saw a guy on /dunk/ post that he was considering advertising on Reviewbrah's radio show. I don't know whether or not that's a good idea, but I think we're going to have to get creative. There's got to be a way to bring in some more posters without bringing in total cancer. >>14713 This.
>>14733 >There's got to be a way to bring in some more posters without bringing in total cancer. It's called looking for more obscure groups of people that are not already populated ibs and posting accordingly. As was suggested before. Either you can find places you can go to if shit dies or you find proper areas, you may also fall upon absolute embarrassments you can mock for days for inspiration for a topic.
>>14734 Read his post again.
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>>14732 >>14734 >>14733 pic related is what you guys are actively attempting to do, you can't see how good you have it and you're gonna end up ruining it for everyone including yourself. when the webring gets fucked because you brought a bunch of unitiated retards who don't belong and will never belong on imageboards, you will go "oh I miss the webring before <date when you willingly fucked it up>" just like you did before and before time and time again, and I will laugh in your face because I warned you and you had been warned by others before ma as well, but you refused to listen. you want old 8chan back, with hundreds of users, hundreds of boards, and 1k global pph. you can't have that, it's gone, forever, this is the new norm, this is the new gold standard, it doesn't get any better than this, it can only get worse, and yet you still want to try to screw it all up even further.
>>14737 >you will go "oh I miss the webring before <date when you willingly fucked it up>" No, I won't because it was never good.
>>14724 Alright, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here that you're genuinely trying to make imageboards more fun. I'm sorry if my reply to you was harsh. I can think of problems with the suggestions though. >You must seriously lack imagination if you think it can't be used in fun ways. Or useful ways if you're making a long effortpost. For example I could have replied to this particular thing right now with an image instead of pinktext, which is much more intuitive both to me and the reader than attaching it to the post and saying "pic related" at some point (which also starts getting confusing if there's more than 1 image). Okay, I get it. But you could also put inline images in that end up causing the text formatting to become awful. Which is all I imagined would end up happening. I could see it being useful for trying to make an explanation cleaner. "I started by doing this, see here: (image). Then this happened: (image)." However you still can just say "I started by doing pic 1, and then pic 2 happened." I'm more worried about inline images making posts a mess by inserting content in the middle of text and fucking up formatting. >People are significantly more likely to do something if there's a feature for it, than they would to mimick the behavior without the feature. Replying to images is similar to what moot's failed website was where you remix other people's images. You take someone's image and modify it. It could become part of the local imageboard culture to have back and forths modifying other people's images. If you reply to an image then it's more obvious that you're replying to the image and not the content of the post. It's a new way to respond to someone. I'm still not really seeing where the difference is in just replying to the post. If you want to edit someone else's content I don't see why you wouldn't respond to the post with the edited image. I think it makes sense. Furthermore: >I mean let's inverse this question: why would it be a BAD idea to have this feature? Well I can think of a reason. How would you even go about implementing it? It would ideally be a clean, non-janky implementation. >If you couldn't sage and I was here right now suggesting an ability to not bump a thread when you post, you would be rejecting it and calling it downvoting. I wouldn't. I have argued with idiots more than once who say ">sage is a downvote." Anyone who says this is an idiot who doesn't understand it's stupid to bump a bad thread especially on a slower board. Bully anyone who says that ">sage is a downvote" shit. I can tell you've heard this same shit because you're already accusing me of being someone who says it, but I promise you I never say that shit. >Do you also think backlinks are upvotes? I think you need to stop letting reddit live rent free in your head. No, but I can explain why I don't like your idea. I don't think that post ratings like on every other site pretty much (reddit, discord, facebook, you name it) help discussion at all. In fact, I think it causes people to, instead of responding, slap a rating on a post (upboat!) and move on and say nothing. You like discussion, right? You want activity? Right now in order to respond to a post you have to actually respond and not just slap a rating on and move away. It's one of the best parts of imageboards, you can't just bomb people with ratings, we actually get to have these wonderful autistic debates and whoever has the opinions that hold up to scrutiny best will "win."
(cont) >>14724 >Which not a single one of the webring boards are using. I'm also talking about an oekaki that's more integrated to the website, for instance you should be able to REPLY TO AN IMAGE and get the oekaki in a popup and let you draw over other people's images without having to load it to a third party editor and then save it and upload it separately. There's a certain point where I'm just wondering how much wheel-reinventing that would be and whether or not you'd be better off just loading the image up in your editor of choice and doing it there. Even if this feature existed, I couldn't personally see myself using it but that doesn't necessarily mean that's because it's "bad." I think that some of the things you propose have good value but only on specific boards. So far the image ideas you have seem like it would be good for a collaborative art board, and kinda useless elsewhere. >Yet almost literally nobody does it. The images could be huge banners that span the entire page. Imageboards are all about images, it's in the very name "imageboard", there should be more images. You can express a lot more if the banner is bigger, you could put huge collabs and compilations to the top to express the community. The traditional banner size is barely even visible on modern monitor resolutions. I have seen boards that use larger banners. You will have to excuse me because I can't remember which boards they were. I think one was /fascist/. The problem here is that you have requested a feature but this feature already exists. Sure, basically nobody uses anything other than 300x100 banners, but this is honestly an irrelevant user behavior problem. If you made a board today you could have banners at a much larger size if you'd like, and there would be nothing stopping you. >Who's pulling shit out of his ass now? Most imageboard users these days want the boards to be archived, you'll get a horde of angry niggers attacking you if you claim that archives shouldn't exist. I'm not pulling shit out of my ass. The fact that anons need to archive things on their own volition is proof that what I said is true: imageboards are not designed to be persistent. Also, I have not personally seen what you are claiming. In fact, the last time I heard someone speak about the lack of persistence on imageboards, it was loleron saying that's something that he values in imageboards. Other than that, I can't remember hearing anyone discuss the whole persistence part of imageboards. I remember when the official archive got added to 4chan. It was actually rather unpopular for two reasons. #1 was people claimed it was a useless feature because unofficial archiving projects were already doing the job, and #2 was people saying that lack of persistent content is a staple of imageboards that shouldn't be changed. Now this was a long time ago and also we're not 4chan, so I'll give this a pass. However, I disagree that it isn't designed into imageboards to not be persistent, because it very much is. Also, lynxchan does have a manual archiving feature but I don't really think anyone uses it. Whether or not there should be more persistence to imageboards is a fair enough question, but there should also probably be a limit especially considering the people hosting these things usually do not have the infinite amount of space required to just endlessly host content that never expires. One of the reasons julay got rid of its tons of boards is because it was running out of space.
(cont) >>14724 >And here's your problem, you have way too narrow of a definition about what imageboards are allowed to be like. I honestly disagree. There's a lot of debate in software about scope. I can give you an absolute great example: systemd. Systemd was supposed to be an init system, apparently. Look at it now. Is systemd better because it stepped way outside of its boundaries? The usual consensus is "hell no." Imagine having to maintain a bloated mess of features because the scope of an imageboard keeps increasing to include game servers, torrent tracking, ytmnd pages, whatever. Like I said, some of these suggestions are obviously out of scope. You want to know what sites do when they host multiple services that have nothing to do with each other? They create seperate software and put them on different subdomains. So let's just say you run an IB and you also want to host YTMND pages. It's better to not conflate this software as the amount of people looking for this use case is probably very low. It's better to have a variety of IB software you can choose from, and then a variety of "YTMND clone" software you can choose from or whatever. Then, you would basically do ytmnd.example.com and ib.example.com. Fatchan actually does something very similar to this. Tom hosts other services on subdomains, and he also uses a completely different domain for IRC. But does tom build IRC and other features directly into jschan? No, because that would be bad and would be out of scope and would bloat the software. >>Already exists >No. ...Yes? Prove me wrong if I'm wrong. It already exists. >No. There's only one kind of post you can make. I don't know what you're saying then. On pretty much any imageboard software you can upload things like PDFs, audio, whatever you want really. Usually you just have to change a setting or two. >Not even fucking remotely close you illiterate monkey. Right on this imageboard I have to complete the captcha twice to post, one of them in a separate page instead of in the post form, and I also have to refresh the page because it gives me the wrong captcha since it expired while it was loaded on the report form. The post form has a huge javascript upload box without js, doesn't float without javascrpt, the submit button doesn't react to my cursor and is generally too big. Copypasting post numbers to reply is annoying because it easily selects some empty spaces. The links to catalog/index should be at the top bar. All the text on the post header is mushed together with no space inbetween (e.g. time and post number look like they're part of the same string). The links to go to the top/bottom don't appear in the catalog or overboard. The filename (see: the most useful piece of information) is last in the file info and gets clipped out if it's too long and requires you to hover over it to see it and there's some useless "open file" text wasting space. Posts with multiple images look like cancer, the image isn't vertically aligned with OP post, it's so bad that If you were talking about the general layout of the UI of imageboards, it's been the same since forever. If you were talking about this specific instance of anon.cafe which is a gui forked from robi which is a gui forked from some guy who forked it from... I don't even know. You're right that lynxchan boards are often known for buggy or somewhat shitty interfaces. Wanting a better GUI than the average lynxchan GUI is fair enough and I won't fault you for that. Tacking on unrelated features to imageboard software rather than just using other much better software that is already available for free and setting up a subdomain just seems like a bad idea though.
>>14737 No, that's exactly what I want to avoid. There has to be a middle ground between bringing in retards from places like Reddit and letting the webring die out. >>14739 >I wouldn't. I have argued with idiots more than once who say ">sage is a downvote." Anyone who says this is an idiot who doesn't understand it's stupid to bump a bad thread especially on a slower board. Bully anyone who says that ">sage is a downvote" shit. I can tell you've heard this same shit because you're already accusing me of being someone who says it, but I promise you I never say that shit. That always annoys me too.
>>14742 >That always annoys me too. It's become one of the best ways to spot an awful poster. It's honestly probably third place, the two worst ones are completely ignoring an argument and just posting "kill yourself" or some variation, and a close second going to "I'm going to accuse you of being from (boogeyman site) with no evidence because I say so, GO BACK TO (boogeyman site)." Those are some of the worst posts plaguing imageboards right now. I don't even think people see the irony in that they think they're accusing someone of making a bad post, when in actuality they're the one making an incredibly low-effort -1/10 super dogshit post.
>>14743 To be fair those posts are to discourage already bad posts and are made in response tothem. You post badly you get bad posts in kind.
>>14743 Kill yourself, redditor. People know they're making bad posts and most of the time, unless they're trying to bait, aren't pretending to do otherwise. I applaud them and hope they continue their work in driving faggots like you out.
>>14744 This is rarely the case from my experience. It's most often used when someone loses an argument and instead of being able to concede (who fucking cares, it's not like anyone knows who you are anyway and can follow you around and bully you for being wrong) they get angry and decide that their opponent is some kind of foreign opposition. So they just accuse them of being from somewhere else and "not belonging" because they have the audacity to disagree with them. It's incredibly autistic and ego-centric when you break it down. >>14745 Calling out bait as bait is just the better thing to do. Remind people not to respond to it. However, like I said, it's mostly not used for this. Every time I've seen it used in the past many months it's because people get personally offended, usually because they were wrong about something. With nothing else to say, they just resort to "kys cuckchan" because their ego doesn't allow them to "lose" a dumb internet argument where nobody knows who they are anyway. You're much better off just conceding because otherwise you're just going to make yourself look even stupider. There's nothing wrong with being incorrect and being corrected. There is something especially wrong with being wrong and being in denial due to your ego, and having a righteously indignant mentality that prevents you from being able to learn anything from losing an argument. Basically getting mad keeps you stupid.
>>14746 I'll even show proof. Here's an example, 2 months ago on the webring this happened. Every single time I see things like "newfag" and "go back to" and "kill yourself" it's because someone started a completely wrong argument with righteous indignation, got extremely cocky and arrogant and had to start insulting as well, and then gets BTFO by someone else and now they can't admit they were wrong, so they just end up looking even more retarded by resorting to doubling down on extremely low-effort overused insults like "go back cuckchan" and "kys." Pic related is literally every single way I see it get used. It's fucking cancer. If you make these kinds of posts, just stop. You look like a total nigger and I hope you get mocked. I will admit that pic related is from PLW and PLW has notoriously garbage posters making up the overwhelming majority, but it happens outside of PLW as well unfortunately. Unfortunately PLW isn't a complete containment for the webring's most retarded nigger posters.
>>14746 >Calling out bait as bait is just the better thing to do I mostly post and lurk on /a/ and can only base my judgement off of my experience within that board, and the majority of the time telling someone to kill himself or go back to x is justified. Although, telling someone to kill himself requires no justification. I don't see it used in the context you're describing it used in, sounds closer to what I've seen in sites that aren't imageboards, but I never got the impression that they're throwing insults because they've lost the argument. It could be narcissistic refusal to accept being wrong, but the impression I've gotten is that they're throwing insults because they have nothing more to say and believe themselves right, and that their opponent(s) are in denial. Either that or they're dumb and think they're right, and especially think justifying themselves is beta cuck nigger shit, so throw insults to the retards. Those obsessed with winning arguments are going to obsess with it by trying to claim the other guy is obsessed with it, is my experience. It's all mind games and mirrors, most of it is meant to spiritually poison and demoralize you.
>>14748 >I mostly post and lurk on /a/ No idea how you can tolerate that but when the only real alternative is PLW I don't know if I blame you. Not even gonna bully you. >and can only base my judgement off of my experience within that board, and the majority of the time telling someone to kill himself or go back to x is justified. Although, telling someone to kill himself requires no justification. It's so lazy. It's not an argument. Argue an actual point. "Hey guys I think X because Y." "WOW FUCKING REDDIT CUCKCHAN ALERT GO BACK AND ALSO KILL YOURSELF." It's so low effort it's honestly infuriating. It's just cancer. Put some effort in and actually argue with your opponents. >I don't see it used in the context you're describing it used in, sounds closer to what I've seen in sites that aren't imageboards, but I never got the impression that they're throwing insults because they've lost the argument. Guess you didn't see the post above you before you posted: >>14747 It happens all the time. Probably the most on PLW but I've seen it elsewhere. >It could be narcissistic refusal to accept being wrong It's definitely this. >they're throwing insults because they have nothing more to say and believe themselves right It's also this. It's a part of autistically inflated ego on an anonymous imageboard of all places, but they can't accept being wrong about anything. I am very surprised when people concede and sometimes I'm even a bit too quick to get aggressive because I'm immediately prepared for REEEEEE KYS CUCKCHAN type behavior. It's gotten that bad that I prepare for it practically any time I post.
>>14743 >>14746 >>14747 >>14749 You're 100% right, unfortunately.
>>14749 I find it more humorous than annoying, but that's more due to not being able to take someone insulting me seriously. The example you showed is dumb and pointlessly, obtusely, aggravating to interact with, and his argument isn't even entirely reliant on Anita being a factor beyond her being a SJW, he's talking about SJWs primarily. The two posters were talking about and arguing two very different topics, and consequently the autismo won't admit to being wrong since the reply centers around a point that is almost irrelevant to his argument.
>>14751 Here's the thing about it though, and why I don't find it humorous. I wouldn't care if someone freaked out because I like something they didn't. I'd probably laugh it off. I don't really care about getting bullied for my tastes. But that's not usually what happens. Firstly, I actually have very uncontroversial opinions as far as imageboards are concerned. I don't like NTR or have any kind of /d/-tier fetishes, my taste in anime seems to be rather uncontroversial, for vidya I usually play classic or retro games which are often pretty safe to discuss rather than new games, I'm not a marxist, I know a decent bit about technology and if I don't I make it very clear that I could be wrong and don't mind being corrected, whatever. In fact, the few times I have actually had a controversial opinion (like liking a game that is unpopular for a specific community) I actually usually get people to listen even if they disagree, without them telling me I need to go back somewhere. Where I usually get people freaking out and screeching is when they're flat out wrong about something, like factually incorrect. Something you can back up with evidence. I've had people literally strawman me out of the gate in order to get angry at me, and then refuse to stop strawmanning me despite explaining that they're misrepresenting what I said and exactly how what they're claiming I'm saying is completely different from what I'm actually saying. I actually left PLW around the time of that screencap I just posted because PLW is pretty much the worst when it comes to doing stuff like that. You will get strawmanned and told to go back/kill yourself, or, if the poster is so fucking lazy he can't even be assed to strawman you, you'll just get a nice 3-letter "kys." That's the problem I have. I don't even mind my (apparently) uncontroversial opinions being shit all over. In fact I don't mind a debate, even if the other anon comes to the table with insults and just wanting to bully. I don't really care that someone has a different opinion, in fact I pretty much never have opinion arguments. The arguments I get into are fact-based, and when evidence starts getting dismissed with "kys cuckchan" that's where I have a problem because that basically tells me the community is proud of being ignorant. By this point I'm ranting like crazy and tl;dring more than I have ever done in years, and if you're wondering why I'm so passionate about making it clear why I think this is bad, because I think this is actually a major contributor to what kills imageboards. Hear me out. I left PLW because of the behavior. On a long enough timeline, if PLW were to stick around forever, I feel like endgame PLW is unending reply strings of "kys" and "cuckchan" and "go back." If I left PLW, I wonder how many people did the same. I don't mean to toot my horn here and act like I'm a gift to imageboards and the best poster ever, but I am for sure nowhere near as bad of a poster as plenty of others. I'm at the very least a decent enough poster, I try to put effort into my responses and start real discussions. The problem with the nonstop, stale as FUCK insult throwing is that all it does is scare away actual decent posters. Who the fuck would want to put effort into a post just to have every single reply be completely low-effort garbage where nobody even bothered to actually try to address the post? That's why I don't find it humorous, that's why I find it upsetting. If the webring is your home, it's time to start acting like it. Do you shit all over your home? Do you smear shit all over the walls and spit and piss on the floor and burn it to the ground? Of course not. So don't do it to the webring. By doing so, all you end up doing is encouraging everyone else to do the exact same thing. Then you wonder why your home is dead or a flaming pile of dog shit, because you helped it get there. Now who is going to want to join in on the dog shit?
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>>14714 >In other -more relevant- news, the officially licensed Touhou gachashit has finally come to the west. Titled Touhou 「LostWord」 (one word), it features the standard predatory business practices that comes with the territory. With this release, the shoe is finally on the other foot for ZUN's stance on commercialization of his series. This reporter fully expects it to recline harder than ever with secondaries flooding the nation since they are stuck at home with nothing better to do. With each tippy tap of the occultic picture slab, you can rest assured that a little piece of Gensokyo will die right along with my soul. I bet the Joons did this.
>>14752 I see. I have three examples that come to mind in relation to this kind of behavior. The first was a very long argument that ultimately concluded in the other guy freaking out after I presented to him as direct evidence as I could reasonably get against his claims and telling him he can't escape the conclusion, expressly escaping the conclusion by claiming all I want to do was win the argument and posters like me are ruining the board. The other was someone who couldn't comprehend my arguments without corrupting them into strawmens that I didn't believe in, so I stopped posting in that particular thread. The other was an anon who didn't fully understand the arguments he was arguing against, so I also inevitably just stopped replying to him. I attribute the first example to malice, the second to malice and stupidity, and the third to stupidity. The third is the least aggravating. I can come up with many more examples but all of them are more nuanced than what you're describing, but all of the worse ones are just examples of disingenuity. I can agree with disingenuous posters being terrible for discussion. But regardless the majority of these posters, being disingenuous, are going to try to claim the moral high ground and status high ground by acting and pretending to be either more experienced or better than the other posters, posters like >>14711 being the easiest example ITT. They're low effort and their long posts are just massive walls of vomit that shouldn't be replied seriously against, it's a waste of time. I'm cynical against everything and everyone and would prefer to call anons niggers and see how they react, ideally while also giving the bare-bone argument to see if there's anything ingenuous about them.
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>>14752 >You will get strawmanned and told to go back/kill yourself, or, if the poster is so fucking lazy he can't even be assed to strawman you, you'll just get a nice 3-letter "kys." >I left PLW because of the behavior. On a long enough timeline, if PLW were to stick around forever, I feel like endgame PLW is unending reply strings of "kys" and "cuckchan" and "go back." The same happens on zzzchan, and I hate it as well.
There's way too much to respond to in this thread lately. I'm just glad the advertising bullshit blew over.
>>14752 >I've had people literally strawman me out of the gate in order to get angry at me, and then refuse to stop strawmanning me despite explaining that they're misrepresenting what I said I've had this happen numerous times. Someone misunderstands what I say and goes "GO BACK TO CUCKCHAN, REDDITOR". What's worse, it sometimes causes everyone else to adopt his perspective and then there's a cascade of other people saying a similar thing and posting smug anime faces, seemingly without even reading my post at all. I've had whole threads derailed by hordes of retards who didn't understand what I said and everyone wants thinks they're being a coolfag by attacking some boogieman, trying to correct the situation just causes them to double down. Literal NPC herd behavior.
>>14759 Welcome to image boards you fucking newfag. They have been this way for over a decade now and not getting any better. Image boards are now downstream from social media, discord and reddit. Instead of getting all the interesting, useful people they get swept away long before reaching cuckchan let alone the webring. All that comes to the webring are people with ideological reasons not to use those other places, people banned from those places or people looking to shitpost/subvert (same difference). You can larp as muh logical autistic super man (which you're not) and it won't make a damn bit off difference. If you need an example look at even niche boards like /tg/. The webring one is dead and barely talks about even popular /tg/ topics, the cuckchan one is mostly porn addicts and marketers hyping new products. Which leaves reddit and facebook groups for where people invested in the hobby are meeting and sharing new content. Image boards were cool with a generation now moving on in life. The new cool stuff is on Discord or Snapchat. It's no longer a question of why WOULDN'T you go on 4chan, it's why WOULD you. And that is the problem. We're the last guys at the party and none of us want to admit it's over.
>>14760 ...Snapchat?
>>14761 Todays MSN/Skype for phone users. Lets you send porn and makes it difficult to save images so they can't spread it around (lots of ways around this)
>>14762 I know what it is. I was skeptical that it's where cool stuff is found. The most important aspect of it is that it's a porn site, but onlyfans is trendier. And as a social media site, tiktok is trendier.
>metadrama.cafe The absolute state of webring boards.
>>14760 >The new cool stuff is on Discord or Snapchat lmfao In the rare event that this post isn't just a troll >They have been this way for over a decade now this is almost entirely incorrect, even on the webring you can notice boards that are much better quality than others. >>14764 If you bothered to read the thread, this has been one of the most interesting webring meta threads I've ever been a part of, and I enjoyed posting.
>>14765 >this has been one of the most interesting webring meta threads I've ever been a part of >and I enjoyed posting That doesn't surprise me at all, enjoy talking about tiring meta and gossip about other imageboards all day because that's all what webring trannies are about.
>>14765 You sound like the type of dregs which drip down to the webring and think it's fun to spam celebrity women. You're a drama tranny and that offers nothing to people who have hobbies and interests outside of anime, drama and dilation. >>14766 Any time you see a board blow up on the webring it is always drama related. Never a new influx of users making interesting topics. /truth/ on tvch is about the best the webring has any more.
>>14760 >They have been this way for over a decade now Hence why alternative imageboards do get some semblance of lifeline sometimes, some people stop being like that in some situations although they might revert back after a while. >Welcome to image boards you fucking newfag >The new cool stuff is on Discord or Snapchat I wonder who's behind this post, still some of the observations are correct, at this point we are a niche in the by-now niche 4cham who only gets visitors in the form of "edgy but not really" people and still only minority of those post at all as most of them are lurking herds that enter once in a while for a short period of time to either check news/trends or fap. They use it as a visual aggregator rather than a interactive forum, those herds are the kind to only refresh the first page and gauge what "the people" think about some current event or thing; most of us here use the system to post our thoughts and/or contribute with our personal tastes/finds along with (very) usually checking the catalog when finding a new board. It's really not so much about finding new users, it's about finding new posters and the constant type of one which, if we were to believe that infamous thread about some 4c mods, there's actually few as most are bots or paid shills. >>14766 Why are you sticking your ugly nose here anyways? you like the smell, don't lie
>this is the most popular thread on the most popular board of anon.cafe >man, why are there so few new users who contribute decent content coming here?
>>14773 >this is the most recent thread on the board that became the most popular because of it >man, how much more of a cocksucking nigger post can i do to keep screwing with the anons there? 8moe is kicked and will be kicked indefinitely, suck on it kike
>>14774 >>this is the most recent thread on the board that became the most popular because of it The fact that you think this is a good explanation for the absolute state of this site is quite saddening.
>>14769 >if we were to believe that infamous thread about some 4c mods, there's actually few as most are bots or paid shills. Could somebody post a screencap or link to that thread please?
>>14766 >>14768 If either if you fucking retarded illiterate niggers bothered to read the god damn thread you would realize that it's not even a fucking drama thread and hasn't been a drama thread for the past hundreds of posts. At the beginning you could call it a "drama thread" because it was about 8moe getting kicked. Since then it has went on a wild ride of several different webring meta discussions, most of them having nothing to do with "drama." If you hate this thread so much why don't you fuck off you fucking nigger?
>>14776 Probably means this thread on Wizchan. https://www.wizchan.org/lounge/res/259999.html One of the posters claims to be an ex 4chan moderator and talks about how there's a few power users on each board making almost all the posts. >>14769 They never have a lifeline. They're short lived with sub 1,000 users most of which don't even post. And the posts you do get are like >>14778 . It's the dregs of the internet trying too hard to be different above all else. Many of them spending way too much time on Twitter if the majority of thread starters are anything to go by. >>14764 anon.cafe removed the 2nd most active and popular board on the webring. It became irrelevant since then.
>>14779 >/fascist/ was the 2nd most active and popular board on the webring keep dreaming
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>>14779 >And the posts you do get are like >>14778 . It's the dregs of the internet trying too hard to be different above all else. If what you got from my post is that I'm "trying too hard to be different" then I don't think you even read my post or you're retarded. Idiots come into thread that they apparently don't like and start complaining that they don't like it while accusing it of being something that it's not because they didn't even bother to read. Even if this was a drama thread, who fucking cares?
>>14782 You called someone a nigger so therefore you must have no point. Get fucked, faggot, all of my opponents need to be civilized to the point of not even daring to criticize me while I'm allowed to call them the lowest scum in existence. It's only fair.
>>14782 >Posting weeb trash >Calling people niggers for pointing out a drama thread >Telling people to leave because they're triggered by the truth Dreggies gonna dreg.
>>14784 Predictable.
>>14784 >Anime is bad >I can't handle seeing the word nigger, calling someone a nigger when they attacked first is bad >It's the truth because I say so Niggers gonna nig.
>>14786 First points correct. Second points retarded. I don't care what a dreggy calls me because they're scumfuck faggots. It is the truth. Deal with it nerd. Drama thread is drama.
>>14787 >Doubling down on "it's the truth because I say so" because you didn't bother to read the thread >My opinions on anime mean anyone who posts anime is instantly wrong Congratulations, I haven't seen someone this retarded in months.
>>14780 I don't think it was the second but def in the top 5.
>>14787 >>14784 >>14779 Is Dreg the new buzzword/script code of the moment? it was apparent the thread was attracting outsider scum trying to bait but now it's obvious.
>>14784 <Posting weeb trash <Calling people niggers for pointing out a drama thread
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>>14752 >in fact I pretty much never have opinion arguments. The arguments I get into are fact-based, and when evidence starts getting dismissed with "kys cuckchan" that's where I have a problem because that basically tells me the community is proud of being ignorant. So much this. I left a couple of boards for this very reason. Every few days some anon would post something "bluepilled", and sometimes I would dive in and redpill him/her/it. Every time I would be insulted or ignored, just to see the same bluepill stuff come out the next day. After a while I wondered if I was talking to feds, bots or idiots. Just a waste of time.
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>>14793 Is that pic from Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
>>14793 >complains about uncritical usage of buzzwords >describes his posts as redpills The underlying issue is that the culture of anonymous imageboards has shifted from discovery mentality (random anons with no affiliation messing around and with each other) to siege mentality (anons affiliated to various tribes constantly worrying about other anon tribes and their schemes). All different flavours of buzzwords are simply a way to make discussion unbearable to anyone outside a specific tribe.
Are webring babbies still angry about this or have you found a new thing to be mad about?
>>14864 You have to go back.
>>14865 Oh I will, don't worry. Just curious what makes you dumb losers rage these days.
>>14866 What's the matter? you can't lurk the few posts made since you left? You only need bad grammar to be called the nigger that you are
>>14867 The lack of new posts itt is why I'm wondering if there's a new thing to be upset about.
Weak
>>14865 >eagerly swallows the bait >tells others to go back Hmmmm
>>14863 >siege mentality (anons affiliated to various tribes constantly worrying about other anon tribes and their schemes) I don't have anything to add but just wanted to point out how perfect this description is.
>>14863 By redpill I mean some argument backed with facts, and that is not countered with anything. I don't mean that I know The Truth, but that I'm at a point in the discussion that is further. If the other anon has better arguments than mine, I'm all ears, but instead there is no actual discussion, so it's the other anon who doesn't have an open mind and behaves in the siege mentality that you describe. >>14796 Yes.
Why are all webring boards so fucking dead and lame? What do the people running these gain from it?
>>14914 What do you gain whining about it, you are as lame as the place
>>14915 What's the point of this question? Some anons would like a non-dead board with non-crappy users. Why are you triggered if they lament not finding it?
>>14916 >Why are you triggered if they lament not finding it? The post is not a lament when it finishes with "What do the people running these gain" because the answer is obvious if he's "lamenting" not finding a place, the answer is because they are waiting for them to be not-dead and not-crappy. The post is just some good old flaming used exclusively to demotivate because i can't see another motivation for it, it doesn't offer alternatives, it holds an already proven hard-to-get standard in magically having tons of users and with all of them being good posters, it questions the ones trying for just trying. See my point?
If you want a board with more activity, then you can start by posting more.
>>14917 >The post is not a lament To me it is, and it's not the only one in the thread. Now I'm not gonna play the impossible-to-solve debate game of personal semantics here, so keep your opinion. >>14918 >posting more Not a solution. Quality vs quantity, etc.
>>14914 >>14915 >>14916 >>14917 >>14918 >>14919 Hello. You might enjoy posting in one of the threads we already have on the subject. >>10445
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>>14524 I don't know that anyone ever thought anything besides what I thought in 2014. That nigger wasn't doing anything with the site himself, so therefore it was great. It should have continued indefinitely tbh. It was a place of pure anonymity and freedom. If you were enough of a cunt, other anons would crack down on you (muh cp laws n' sheeit). I definitely would go even further than free speech though. I think offended niggers should be slowly tortured to death and forcefed whatever the fuck they don't like along with all moralfags in the bog--where they belong. <waaaah content I don't like Tough shit, newfags.
>>14737 >posting the cuck faggot version
>>14919 >personal semantics here Unless you were raised in a retard town on top of a sad mountain, words usually have similar meanings and definitions between the majority of people. Stop trying to cotton up posts, anons know how to use words.
>>14988 As the posts show, we have a different definition of 'lament'. Mine is the same as the first 2 dictionaries I just checked. For the other anon is not, and I don't care, we can agree to disagree. If you never noticed that most discussions end up in semantics (or they stop earlier), you must be new to the internet. Thanks for the insults, BTW.
>>14987 >posting the schizo version (You) aren't purging anyone out of an hobby. This goes double for anything that can be done by yourself or with small groups of friends, the community at large is powerless there.
>>14384 Damn, I found 8chan.moe because of the 8chan moniker, and actually found this webring via discussion about it there. The pedo boards are absolutely disgusting, but I thought it was just loli dogshit. They yank it to pictures of little girls and skirt by on the technicality that they're clothed? Fucking disgusting. Alright, definitely not going on there again. The name alone gives it more free marketing than the entire web-ring, of which I'm still unfamiliar.
>>14747 Thank you, megamindanon.
>>15060 I take it back. I'll never ever browse the pedoshit boards, but at least 8chan.moe has more posters and some good discussions on SFW boards. There's ~40 anons here on this entire imageboard. It's been days since I posted here, and not a single reply has happened in this thread since. The rest of the webring is in similar shape. >>14863 >siege mentality It's true, and it's the reason the webring and the 8chan diaspora haven't coalesced back into one big board yet. Anons allow themselves to be atomized into nothing for the sake of escaping from other, lesser anons to the point of hysteria. Some people are cogs in the machine and fine with it. Some "resist" the machine by buying communist t-shirts online and burning their local city down. Some "resist" the machine by browsing ever more obscure imageboards. We are the lattermost group. >>14779 >power users It's too bad that those with the most free time to influence the Internet are the worst kinds of human beings. There's a reason the stereotypical mindset of an Internet user is nihilism and hedonism in their worst forms. Have you ever heard of the "dead internet theory"? /X/ memes aside, it has a point. Most content on the Internet is made by bots or users with too much free time. The majority of human users make up the minority of all Internet content. The only way to stop the disgusting minority from influencing the minds of billions would be to limit how much content they can produce, if any, which opens a can of worms about censorship many of us as imageboard users want to stay sealed. The Internet as it currently exists cannot survive, but what it becomes in the future is unknown to me. I pray whatever it becomes is a healthier influence on humanity.
>>15082 >It's too bad that those with the most free time are the worst kinds of human beings. Hey fuck you too buddy
>>15082 >Have you ever heard of the "dead internet theory"? Who hasn't? >The majority of human users make up the minority of all Internet content. 20/80 applies to everything, not just internet: most books are written by a minority of humans, most scientific discoveries are made by a minority of humans, and so on. That's what specialization is: dread it, run from it, it arrives all the same. Ah, and by simply making a post you're automatically in that minority, lurkers are the majority for all sites. And even with that, the supply side is fine: there is plenty of varied content on the internet, you just have to look outside the big popular sites. The real issue lies on the demand and infrastructure sides: sure, big sites abuse the system to promote their content at the expense of everything else, but a lot of people have scarily homogenous tastes and so what thrives is content within a narrow comfort zone.
8moe censors your posts if you beat the moderators in an argument. Curse them and their eternal faggotry.
>>15092 >being this new The issue started on the original 8/v/, and was one of the main reasons the site went to shit (together with the early spam attacks).
>>15093 >(together with the early spam attacks). That's a newfag excuse, the real technical problem was the /a/ bot that slowed down both iterations of the site. The problem of use was moderation in the big boards but this dissipated quickly when using the alt boards.
>>14581 >generic Sci-fi forum that had multiple offshoots that are even worse off. >quest faggotry and "timeloops" Spacebattles? Found my way to it during its latter half and lurked it when I had nothing better to do. Seeing their pseudointellectual politics tripe makes a man desire to purge in lead and fire.
>>15093 The issue? What? I am talking about something that happened to me on that board around the time of the 2020 riots. If they have been pulling that sort of stunt since 8/v/ that is news to me since everything seemed okay until that stupid Christchurch shooting ruined the site forever.
>>14384 there's not even documentation explaining how to set one up much less use it
your first mistake was allowing boards you don't control to be listed on your website. dumbass.
user board creation was a mistake
>>14410 >outside of certain elements like /v/ and /b/ >>14411 >there's more communities there The site is almost entirely /v/ and /b/ though. All the other boards average around 1 or 2 posts a day, if that, save for some foreigner boards. >>14418 >julay >tvch Fuck 'em. >ziggerland They're alright in my book. >smug Literally /a/nons. Any issues with them were issues with them back on OG 8chan, and everyone still seemed to get along enough to use the same site. >PLW Home of /hgg/, my favorite board. Fuck off with this D&C. >The webring A brittle alliance of nations. I can see webring boards on the Markchan board list shortly after Acidchan's top boards, so unless that was always possible, I don't see the issue with the "improper implementation of the webring" I've heard so much about. >>15092 Agreed. >>15190 Anonymous imageboards were a mistake.
>>15199 >A brittle alliance of nations. I can see webring boards on the Markchan board list shortly after Acidchan's top boards, so unless that was always possible, I don't see the issue with the "improper implementation of the webring" I've heard so much about. It's literally the same as Julay and PLW's implementation. They just have fewer boards.
>>15199 >Anonymous imageboards were a mistake. no. Anonymous imageboards existed before 8chan
>>15199 /tv/dups btfo
>muh webrang
>>15204 Are we still going on with this shit?
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>>15199 Which lolcow are you? Pedokoi is that you?
>>15271 tvch/alog is where you belong, your site is being excluded by the webring already and you should go back before your cancer isn't tolerated any longer.
>>15286 People on tvch don't want him and are sick of nu/cow/ faggotry.
>TwitLonger except it's webring.json Blog posts have been extremely unpopular amongst anons across the entire web for numerous reasons. It's getting to a point that it is impossible to filter them. Please hear me out entirely in bold period
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>>15286 seeth harder pedokoi
>>15289 Shut the fuck up Eric, your antics have ruined multiple sites.
>>15290 seeth harder pedokoi
>>14463 Have we ever considered that there may just be too many boards for too little posters? If the whole webring had just 2 or three general boards where you can discuss everything there would be no problem at all.
>>15298 kill yourself please

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