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Considering Fatchan's jschan Anonymous 05/02/2020 (Sat) 09:14:24 No.10737
LynxChan had its advantages, but during the short time that Fatchan was up I saw some things I really liked. It also seems to have garnered good reviews from those anons who posted on it. The questions I'm now asking are: >Is jschan suitable for use yet? jschan's repository README contains a warning that it isn't production-ready. Development is likely to be wilder, upgrades rockier, and behavioral edges less well-understood. I recall that Fatchan also had its share of attacks and the countermeasures seemed to strike a nice balance between being effective and preserving anon quality of life. >How expensive is jschan to run? By "expensive" I mean how CPU intensive, how memory-intensive, and how disk-intensive is it compared to LynxChan? Only someone with experience running both would be able to comment, but we can hope such a person exists. >What options exist to migrate content from LynxChan to jschan? A supported migration path is essential; direct database-to-database transfer would be ideal. Has anyone else migrated content from a LynxChan instance to a jschan instance and if so, how did it go? >Will jschan continue to be developed and for how long? Tom has said that he plans to keep actively developing jschan but given his recent force-feeding of blackpills I'd like to know his thoughts on how long he'll be committing to the software as its maintainer. Open-source projects can in theory be taken over if the original maintainer abandons them but this transition only sometimes goes well. I also see no pull requests having been made on jschan so I don't know how Tom runs his ship compared to, say, Stephen Lynx. >What do our board owners think of switching to jschan? Our board owners love their custom CSS; switching over to jschan is likely to mean they need to adjust their CSS yet again in a more radical way than a normal LynxChan upgrade. Apart from the technical and maintenance aspects, do our BOs rely on any features that jschan doesn't have? Does jschan have features they'd like? >What do our posters think of switching to jschan? A few of our posters cross-posted on Fatchan while it was alive. What did they think of it compared to posting on LynxChan instances like here and Julay.world? >Should we keep our frontend and if so, how difficult would porting it be? I've heard no opinions either way on our XanderLynx-based frontend so I don't know if people like it or not. People seemed to like Fatchan's frontend but it's hard to tell exactly why because they usually gave feedback on the posting experience as a whole. What do we think?
>What do our board owners think of switching to jschan? I loved using JSchan and would love the switch if it occurred. Whether or not it is actually a good idea for this site, I cannot say.
I have enough knowledge to answer some questions you asked. jschan is "production ready" in my opinion, tom has said that the notice is just a disclaimer that he considers jschan hobby software, and he probably doesn't want people angry if something breaks. Newer sites seem to want to use jschan, or at least try it. I've used the mod tools on vichan, lynxchan, and jschan, and lynxchan is by far the worst (no contest). jschan's are quite good thus far. jschan can take some getting used to for anons due to post formatting differences, for example spoilering text is handled differently. jschan development is active (like lynxchan) and tom is more open to implementing good suggestions than stephen lynx is. As far as I know there are no scripts to migrate from vichan or lynxchan, but anyone familiar with the db structure would probably be able to get it done.
>>13840 Thank you Anon, that's very helpful. Hopefully some migration paths will appear.
These days lynxchan and jschan are mostly feature parity. Most of the advancements that lynxchan sees aren't even from Lynx but from Codexx pushing for them or developing them himself, which is a benefit of lynxchan as it has more active developers for it. But stephenlynx himself is a fucking retard. Tom can be retarded too in his development and feature request denials but it's no where near how fucking stupid stephenlynx is. I'd say the only downside from a moderation perspective is that you can't perform moderator actions on single posts from a drop down menu like in lynxchan. Makes fast paced deletions and bans kind of tedious. But it's a very minor issue, though when I tried to explain it to tom he either didn't understand or just wasn't interested. >>13843 I know Codexx is working on getting his ChannelChanger software to be capable of migrating boards between lynx and jschan. But I think it's been very low priority for awhile.
>>13843 What do you mean by migration path? A way for the anon.cafe database to be migrated to a JSchan DB or to be parsed into a readable format? Right now, what would need to be done for a site like anon.cafe to be migrated to JSchan?
>>10737 >JSchan Javashit? In that case no thanks.
>>13965 The engine is made with javascript. Guess what other engine is also made with javascript?
>>13967 Javashit is still deprecated cancer, let's not perpetuate it's metastasis.
>>13968 There isn't a good engine made with a good language though, so if we're using a javashit engine anyway we might as well use a better one.
>>13999 Actually, nanochan's software is written in a White man's language, it just needs a bit more work to be up to typical IB standards. My guess is the author actually wants it the way it is though.
>>13965 >>13999 As the other anon mentioned, the site you're on right now has a backend written in JS. If you want to join the webring easily (meaning not make your own shit from scratch or take another IB software and heavily modify it) your options are unmaintained vichan and various forks that run on shitty outdated PHP 5 and often need to be hacked together to even work correctly, and two engines that are actively maintained and made with JS. If you want to join the webring right now, jschan seems like the most sane option. Last I checked tom is doing some pretty big quality of life improvements to the software. I don't think anyone would mind another software competitor if someone bothered to make one, but right now the only two people I know of bothering to develop imageboard software are stephen lynx and tom. people need to stop using vichan tbh, I don't even think forking it and trying to overhaul it from php 5 -> 8 is worth the effort
>>14004 I assume people still choose vichan over LynxChan because LynxChan is a huge mess. Vichan has better modtools than LynxChan, but I don't know for sure. I never got to try the vichan modtools but I know for sure that the LynxChan modtools look really messy. The only modtools I got to use extensively were the JSchan modtools and it's really good.
>>14006 Vichan is objectively superior in every way. The issue is that it's also severely outdated to the point where you won't be able to get it to run properly unless you're using a cloned copy of someone else's functioning website or happen to be a /tech/ wizard. Like when I tried to set up a vichan instance, I couldn't do it because it was impossible to get the outdated version of certain key software suites needed to run it and the new versions were incompatible with even the vichan forks that came after Hotwheels abandoned it. JSchan software would be great if there was actually a competent guide available for /tech/lets to get it running and it worked on more than just one very specific instance of Linux.
>>14004 >people need to stop using vichan tbh, this, unless you want to be the one who maintains it
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There's one big downside to jschan: no animated thumbnails. As a platform based on posting images, I'd imagine this was a mandatory feature by now. Lynxchan is a piece of shit though and the animated thumbnails don't always work, but at least it mostly supports them.
>>14034 >Lynxchan is a piece of shit though and the animated thumbnails don't always work Case in point. This one should work because I got it from a lynxchan board.
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>>14036 When did that happen and why isn't zzzchan updated yet?
>>14037 Some months ago I think, zzzchan has not been updated for a long time. It is neglected badly by the admin
>>14034 Animated thumbnails work on JSchan, but Tom recommends the FFmpeg version to be 4.3.x and above for best performance.
>>14037 Zzzchan delays updates for stability.
I used lynxchan in the first version of reinchan, now i use jschan. here are my thoughts LynxChan >"easier" to setup easier because its simple to install, runs as a systemd service (if you use systemd), and has extensions, which doesnt matter shit because thats an excuse for stephen not improve his software, use penumbra and see that it doesnt even has (you)s, I hat to add it, captchas for reporting didnt worked even after i spent hours and hours like a retard trying to find a reason. Has tutorials for simple anons that want to setup their IBs, that is a decent point, more documented than jschan in that part, but toms git has everything you need for a basic instance. >customization Maybe because I am a retard getting used to such a simple thing as .pug, used in jschan. You can also fork any front end out there. ==JSCHAN= >just works Didnt have a single problem with my install. >optimized While lynxchan loads all the stylesheets at the same time, jschan only loads the selected theme, and is very fast because of similar reasons, in my usage, it uses less memory too, but theres no reason to care about that as mongo is a memory hog. >tom is a friendly guy and doesnt neglect interesting additions He is a really nice maintainer, you can ask him anything, he will give a reason or not to add something. Stephen only added websockets after years and after realizing jschan was getting quite popular, you could ask him something and he would give a reason to not add, basically he only added what he wanted. I dont have anything against stephen, but you can see who has a passion with his software. Theres more but I am quite busy today.
>>14175 God, fuck this keyboard.
Also, I remember kohl admins really considering it too some months ago, lynxchan worked quite clunky with me, even having a really decent server. I guess lynxchan was a IB software that happened to us, to get away from Brennan's hands, it is nice, worked while we had to choose damn vichan/infinity, or maintained and quite decent lynxchan. But now theres definitely a superior software.
>>14175 Could you compare the mod tools? I'm on the fence for what software to use. Can you make a board read-only in JSChan (i.e. disable new thread creation for non-staff users)?
>>14178 For me, it's better, the engine is very well adapted to nojs users on EVERY aspect, I seem biased, but even that is quite better than lynxchan. Its good, just a bit strange in the beginning, like pining threads using numbers, 1 to sticky it, 0 to make it normal again. And I just tested, yep, you lock the board and you can post on it if you are logged as the board owner or admin, idk about mods. I don't regret changing the software, even had a ton of content lost, but its really damn good.
Also, if you want to try to migrate dbs, check channel changer on 8chan.moe/t/ iirc, its been quite a long time I dont see anything about it, but now maybe its updated. See if its useful.
>>14180 >>14181 Thanks for that anon, I'll look into it.
>>14034 your gif is too small to make a thumbnail so none was made ergo no animated thumb
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>>14178 Board owner settings without Board name, Board Description, Tags, Moderators, Announcement, Theme, Code Theme, and Custom CSS fields Post actions as BO
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>>14262 more stuff, should be evident
>>14263 Banners are still set to a hard 300:100, though I mentioned this to Tom and he said he'd remove the limit, but it hasn't happened yet. I can't think of anything else to show, but if you think of something I'll screenshot it for you. I can only show what is allowed for a BO. Not a mod anywhere, nor an admin. Hope this information is useful.
>>14264 They aren't.

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