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Advice on machine translation Student 03/15/2023 (Wed) 05:46:45 No.683 [Reply]
I am making a computer video tutorial for setting up free open source tool, used worldwide. I assume it would be best to write the transcript in English my only fluent language, and use a machine-translation tool to automatically generate captions for many other languages, until someone volunteers to write up a better caption to replace it. Ideally, I would use (the program running behind the scenes on) one of these two: https://libretranslate.com/ https://beta.apertium.org/ How good are these? Try changing them to a language you know (I understand the selection is limited) and tell me how it turns out. A basic English->Spanish->English seems to work fine on this post, with the first site looking a bit better. Also, if you have any advice for writing sentences which are translated more correctly by a machine, that would be excellent! All I can think of is writing formally, and trying to avoid words with multiple common meanings (e.g. replacing 'check' with 'confirm')
>>683 I don't have any real advice for you Anon other than to maybe look into how publishers tackle the problem. Software companies also must have similar needs. I don't know if any lanugage-translation experts are there, but /robowaifu/ also deals with automation and languages too. Good luck OP!
>>684 Thanks fellow student, I know /robowaifu/ is a great resource for all things machine-learning, but I didn't think to ask about languages!
>>685 Nprb. Mind sharing the idea behind your opensauce tool mentioned? Who's likely to benefit from using it?
>>686 It's not my tool, it's just a Blender 3D modeling add-on and other setup for people modding SuperTuxKart.

linguam latinam discere non potes Student 10/14/2019 (Mon) 02:22:53 ID: 7b811c No.76 [Reply] [Last]
Apologies to the BO for not having an image or resources like the ones you've been using
Use this thread to discuss, ask questions about, or share works of translation to/from the Latin Language.
A good textbook to use for getting started from absolute zero is Lingua Latina: per se illustrata by Hans H. Orberg. I don't have a pdf - if an anon would post one that would be appreciated. It reduces your reliance on dictionaries by teaching words solely by context or by definitions using words you've already learned. (I find a dictionary is useful in spite of this.) If followed to its completion, the course of study found therein will take you to reading Caesar with relative confidence.

It's split into about 30 chapters, with a section for questions at the end of each. If you're serious about learning the language, do these on paper. Check your answers with the attached answer key, then tuck the paper away somewhere. Go over them from time to time.

There are two supplements to the book:
>Lingua Latina: per se illustrata - grammatica latina
It is a small handbook with tables of verb conjugations, noun declensions, pronouns, et cetera. A handbook of essential grammar. This is useful if you don't want to constantly google these things to remind yourself of them / practice them and would prefer a print version you can look at more easily. Otherwise, not worth getting.
>lingua latina per se illustrata - latine disco: student's manual
This is a small book that contains English companion explanations for each chapter, and an essential rundown of the concepts it introduced. Can be especially useful given that some concepts in the main chapter may have been introduced too subtly. If you feel that you may be too much of a brainlet to catch everything, or simply want some reinforcement of what you learned, it may be worth picking up.
In my own case, I got it when I was about halfway through the main book. It helped on some minor points, but overall wasn't that helpful. Google can cover most bases, in my experience.
I also have no pdfs for either of these.

If you're just starting out, you should consider being able to read Julius Caesar's commentarii de bello gallico as your long term goal. Once you reach this point, you'll be well on your way to reading the more significant works of Latin literature.
Attached are some additional easy reading materials for before you reach that point. Both should be about simple enough to read when you are half way (or so) through lingua latina. Due to filesize limits, they will be in the following posts.

There is also a forum on the internet that has a section competely devoted to Latin speaking. It's quite dead, but here's a link if you're interested.
http:// latindiscussion.com/forum/
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>>627 ceterum censeo mātrem tuam esse delendam
>>493 Italiā* >>618 Is this a Latin dictionary in Latin? Or an English-Latin dictionary?
>>651 English-Latin dictionary.
To anyone looking for resources for pronunciation, immersion, et cetera, there's a youtube channel that uploads many readings with (what I believe to be) good pronunciation. I wondered, for a long time, what Latin poetry is actually supposed to sound like when read in meter, and this channel has many examples of that. There's a lot of superfluous, normalfag-bait type stuff, but he also has excellent readings of Lingua Latina per se illustrata, as well as readings of certain works of Latin literature. For example, the first book of Ars Amatoria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svdLEkEbl_g
>>83 Thank you my good individual. Your generosity is greatly appreciated. I am especially grateful for the audio files.

Arabic Student 04/26/2020 (Sun) 18:12:34 ID: 2122c4 No.188 [Reply]
Let's have a thread for learning Arabic, for our /islam/ bros and everyone else who is interested. Arabic is a Semitic language that is spoken by over 200 million native speakers in 22 countries. It's also one of the six official languages of the UN. Arabic is classified as a Level 5 difficulty language by the Foreign Service Institute, meaning that an English speaker would need 88 weeks, or 2200 hours of learning to master it. So if you want to study Arabic, you'll need a lot of time, patience, and determination - but that goes for any language. The Arabic you'll be learning is most likely going to be Modern Standard Arabic, which is the modern descendant of the 6th century Classical Arabic. Actual spoken Arabic can vary widely from this standard, however. Some varieties are mutually unintelligible, but you should be good to go anywhere with MSA. Here's some resources: >Arabic lectures https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEmWUZanVYXEzZXYDHzD-iA https://www.youtube.com/user/CGEJordan/videos >Simple Arabic short stories https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7RpCYE5gLKF3Wus9QmIXHuy4p81lpaVA

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It says "anon cafe" in Arabic.
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>>189 >I'll make a relevant YOUCANT girl asap Not this anon but here she is, finally purified.
>>616 Remind me again, what is that structure to the left and is it related to a mosque?
>>617 That'd be a minaret, from which the call to prayer is given
>>613 anon wtf, so bad

Vi ne povas lerni Esperanton Student 09/18/2019 (Wed) 20:07:58 ID: 6e4c8b No.32 [Reply]
Thread dedicated to the Esperanto language (and all other ConLangs)


>La Tua Esperanto
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language

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Project Gutenberg has many ebooks in esperanto, including some really good textbooks such as the one by Ivy Kellerman
Speaking of conlangs has anyone tried Volapuk?
It's a language that I would want to try as a challenge, although I will probably die only speaking it on random places in internet.
>>541 volapuko estas volapuke, t.e. malfacile lerni kaj uzi
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Vous ne pouvez pas apprendre le Français Student 09/15/2019 (Sun) 11:05:22 ID: d0511c No.18 [Reply]
Thread dedicated to the French language >Resources TV5 Monde's free French language program https://langue-francaise.tv5monde.com/ Complete French Grammar by Fraser and Squair https://archive.org/details/completefrenchgr00fras/mode/2up Progressive French exercises, principally on verbs by J Reynaud de Lamartinière https://archive.org/details/progressivefren00lamagoog/mode/2up Chardenal's French exercises for advanced pupils https://archive.org/details/chardenalsfrenc00chargoog/mode/2up Grammar exercises https://www.lepointdufle.net/p/grammaire.htm

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>>655 Hey je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir posté ça. Merci de faire suivre le lien anon. Venez papoter dans la langue de Molière sur La putain de _Planche_ les amis ! >t. proprio de La Planche
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>>531 >Acrimonie Putain mine de rien elle me manque cette planche.
>>658 Pour info, mais rien n'est acté pour le moment je prévois de déménager sur le café sous un nouveau nom (nom un peu trouvé au pif lors d'une rêverie). Ma demande est en attente de traitement sur le fil /meta/ idoine. >pourquoi quitter 8chan ? Pour diverses raisons éthiques, notamment la proximité avec des boards un tantinet déviantes (je ne critique pas mais je pense que ça peut rebuter les primo-arrivants). Le background historique également. L'imposition d'un thème dégueulasse en lien avec le gamergate dernièrement m'a tout de même pas mal motivé. >pourquoi sur anon.cafe? C'est une IB que je visite régulièrement et dont j'apprécie l'esprit général, certaines planches bien que lentes sont trés confites (relax). >pourquoi un nouveau nom ? Envie d'une identité plus marquée, apporter un univers propre plutôt qu'un simple clone francisé au rabais. >pourquoi avoir débuté sur 8chan? Un peu dans la précipitation je l'avoue à la suite de la fermeture des dernières planches francophones. L'ouverture de boards n'étant pas soumise à approbation ça m'a permis de me faire la main et d'expérimenter sur divers aspects du boulot de BO sans trop me casser la tête. >et si anon.cafe refuse d'héberger cet espace ? J'en serais un peu attristé certes, je chercherais d'autres solutions (j'en suis pas encore à héberger ma propre planche). Peut-être trouver un nouveau chan. Supprimer La Planche et repartir sur des bases propres. >La Planche est morte, pourquoi ça marcherait ici ? J'ai fait très peu de publicité pour La Planche jusqu'à présent (entre-autre pour les raisons citées plus haut), voyez-là comme une ébauche. Aussi je ne fréquente que très peu de communautés francophones généralistes et je n'aime pas le tapage. Je compte sur le bouche à oreille (même si j'en ai conscience, les Français ne sont pas nécessairement de grands utilisateurs d'imageboards) et préfère miser sur la qualité que la quantité. Affaire à suivre.
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>>667 Voilà. L'Entremonde. >>>/ent/ Je peaufine encore quelques trucs côté esthétique mais en l'état ça fait le café.

Du kannst nicht Deutsch lernen Student 09/17/2019 (Tue) 21:46:40 ID: 14e499 No.30 [Reply] [Last]
Thread dedicated to the German language

German With Ease
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language

Also, I do apologize for the lack of stuff, I'm trying to make the board more colorful but just bear with me for a while longer.
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>>569 Funfact: the dialects of Switzerland have their own vocab and grammar, although if you already know Hochdeutsch, you can pick up Swiss german quite easily. The Swiss dialects are part of the same "dialect continuum" (Alemmanic) as the German spoken in Baden-Württemberg, Alsace, Lichtenstein, and the eastern part of Austria. Also, the Alemmanic German has its own wikipedia https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Houptsyte The german swiss subreddit (reddit.comr/Schwiiz) is entirely in swiss German There is a "zürich dialect" grammar books in this folder. https://mega.nz/folder/x4VG3DRL#lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A/folder/ItEgnZKb
>>564 wrong and retarded take by either an idiot or a butthurt bavarian/austrian. No, northern german and southern german dialects aren't even close to being unintelligible to each other. Only a few people in the south believe that because I guess they specifically are too retarded to understand northern german dialects somehow and think it works the other way around
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>>643 >Austrians aren't Germans Why didn't anyone tell them that when they joined the German Confederation?
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Translate pl0x.
>>643 Austrians are like the kids who hate their parents and deny them despite using their name and being practically a genetic clone. Sad!

Slovak Student 03/05/2021 (Fri) 18:47:47 ID: 2abc67 No.442 [Reply]
Slovak language is one of the worst to learn t. born in slovakia. Resources Introduction http://www.slovakiasite.com/slovak-language.php A multilingual site to learn Slovak https://slovake.eu/en Bratislava University online course https://www.e-slovak.sk/ Slovak grammar video playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-9ZxOEIMrWYvSxKl8S7q_Ue6ySg11vYT "We Speak Slovak" webcomic

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>>448 >Sometimes there are two grammatically diffrent sentences that mean the same thing. I am not avare of those, can you give me some examples?
>>463 Zlý psi, zlé psy. Is one of the few and let's not forget that rules mostly around i/y are so complex that sometimes you've got to break them.
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you keep telling that yourself just like polacks and czechs
Resources updated
What's the difference between it and Czech? What difference is there between Slovaks and Czechs generally?

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English Learning and Skills Refining Student 09/15/2019 (Sun) 11:00:46 ID: 6d73fe No.16 [Reply]
It has come to my attention that many (myself included) are not Anglosphere natives. As such, it would make perfect sense having a thread dedicated to perfecting English as a second language.

Empty at the moment, will be updated
>What we need
Sites and resources to help foreigners learn the language
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>>474 >French book uh I don't understand frog symbolism.
>>475 Is your issue linguistic or methodical? I used the method described in this paper with great success, it helped me a lot. In general, attending or watching a course on research design will also help in demystifying a lot papers. For the terminology of specific fields if you are lucky you can find encyclopedias, otherwise you will need to pick it up like >>476 recommends. My impression was that even native speakers struggle with scientific papers, it's a very specific form of text.
>>484 I cannot understand the words. This happens with my native language too, but i remember being able to understand a scientific paper in both languages.
>>490 Technical terms? That's hard as every field has its own vocabulary, sometimes even reusing terms from other fields to mean something completely unrelated. If you study the field, you should pick it up naturally. E.g., an introductory course will explain a great deal of the most common technical terms. Otherwise, I recommend trying to find an encyclopedia (just search for "encyclopedia of" + field name, for example if you want to read papers about birds, "encyclopedia of ornithology") and searching the web a lot.

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Banner Thread Student 09/18/2019 (Wed) 23:12:05 ID: c703c4 No.38 [Reply]
Got any ideas for a good one? Help me make this board a little more colorful!
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>>579 Not at all
Thanks to allwavingflags.blogspot.com for these cool assets!
>>584 Very nice

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Journal Rikki Board owner 12/06/2021 (Mon) 20:14:30 ID: e80b31 No.557 [Reply]
ITT, share your language-learning stories and experiences. What language are you learning and why?
>>557 Spanish because I was bored also I use to have some of friends that spoke spanish, I feel like I have good grasp in language. don't if I should learn another one and what would the purpose of learning a third one.
>>578 How do you like Spanish? Have you been to a spanish speaking country?

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