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Welcome to /lang/, home of all languages! Student Board owner 09/08/2019 (Sun) 09:48:19 ID: dc127b No.1 [Reply] [Last]
This board is a continuation of various smaller boards from 8ch dedicated to learning new languages, translating documents from one to another and overall just having fun with other anons in the ultimate pursuit of universal knowledge. RULES 1. Global Rules apply here. 2. English is the preferred language outside of threads strictly dedicated to a particular language. 3. Be courteous to other anons, as this is a (mostly) SFW board - if people wish to translate stuff that is kinkier than usual though I'll see what I can do with the site administration. 4. Any material that you have that could be useful to other anons, please, share it! Having videos and resources helps immensely! 5. Our bunker shall be located on 8chan.moe/lang/ but this is to be considered the main board. 6. This thread can be used as a META thread of sorts, so voice all your language related concerns here!
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>>1 So folks, I was wondering if you guys would be interested in expanding a bit our board by joining some sort of chat to improve your individual skills. Originally I thought of a Discord server, to separate the users in their own primary and secondary languages and creating ad-hoc language specific chats, but I'm fairly sure a lot of people are really against using that piece of malware, understandably (although I've been using the browser version sporadically on a lobotomized IceCat instance with nary an issue). We could do IRC chats, but they tend to get derailed easily by bad actors and I feel they're also way less manageable, if you get what I mean. So I was wondering if you guys had any idea on what to use or if it was a good idea to begin with. Oh by the way, I'm going to switch on optional Flags, as I feel it goes along the spirit of the board, but I wanted to add some custom flags like for Esperanto or the Anglosphere. If you guys know how to make both National and Custom flags coexist, gimme a whistle, I'd really appreciate it.

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Student 05/06/2020 (Wed) 20:21:48 ID: 77fa21 No.197 [Reply] [Last]
Hey linguistic brothers, We're announcing a revamped Infinity Cup this year! Come join us over at https://anon.cafe/icup/ and make your own team!
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Oh yeah, we won against /fascist/.
Just a reminder you have less than a week to finish up tactics and player cards. If you are having any difficulties or are worried no one will step up, leave a post here or in your thread on /icup/. I have an anon on standby willing to put something together for teams who need help. If you're a team who has participated in a previous Cup and you have not explicitly let me know you're sticking with your strats from last time, do so ASAP, as it cuts down on the work I'll have to do in the week after the Draw Stream. If you've already done so, kick back, take it easy and wait for the draw stream. Draw Stream is August 1st, 2PM PDT, 4PM CDT, 5PM EDT, 21:00 UTC. Mark that calendar. As well, we're still accepting adboards for use during the tournament, visit the dedicated adboard thread on /icup/ and post them there.
Just under an hour away, Draw Stream, be there! https://cytu.be/r/8cup
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The Draw Stream is complete, and with only minor technical difficulties! You guys will play in Group G with /christian/, /animu/, and /fascist/! I'll be by again later with official game times for your board.
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Took a little longer than I thought to get it finished, but here's the schedule for your Group.

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Tú no puedes aprender el español Student 07/16/2020 (Thu) 05:30:14 ID: 3dc1e8 No.266 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is dedicated to learning the Spanish Language >Resources A lot of these are placeholders until we get some better suited purpose; please suggest any other resources you use or know about. >Flash cards https://apps.ankiweb.net/ - if you don't already have it, download anki for your flashcards. You can search through user generated, premade decks here https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/spanish, but you can also create your own as you go along a different program >Dictionaries https://www.spanishdict.com/ - a multi-use tool for Spanish. Includes a fairly sized dictionary with pronunciation, a conjugation tool for verbs, and grammar lessons with quizes. It also has forums hidden away at https://www.spanishdict.com/answers https://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp - another dictionary that is slightly more expansive. It also has a conjugation tool and forums as well. It has more pronunciation and conjugation information for dialects outside of Castilian and than Spanishdict. https://www.wiktionary.org/ - an open source multilingual dictionary. In theory this is a resource for any language, but it is particularly good for learning Spanish. It has a lot of Spanish words, including obscure ones, and offers more information on dialectical differences in vocabulary than anywhere else. It also has a conjugation tool for verbs, and organizes them into conjugation classes well. >Learning resources https://studyspanish.com/ - Has a payed program, but offers almost everything besides some practice exercises for free on the website. It has a series of pronunciation lessons, grammar lessons, and vocabulary sets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_phonology & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_orthography pages containing detailed but technical descriptions of spanish pronunciation and writing. Not targeted to learners in the slightest, but very informative if you can undestand them. >What we need <More additional comprehensive learning resources, such as textbooks <Reading and listening material

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>>294 >How should "whiskey" be pronounced Depending on the dialect, 'uisqui' or 'güisqui'. RAE recognizes 'uisqui' as standard with 'güisqui' as an acceptable dialectical alternative. Some speakers who say "bueso" probably also say "buisqui", but it's not recognized by RAE as far as I know.
I can't understand any Spanish without subtitles . How do you train yourself to learn to understand what you hear?
>>303 How much do you practice listening without subtitles? If you use subtitles you'll just learn to read faster. Find something you can listen to that's about on your level of understanding, preferably something with visual cues as well like a TV show, and make yourself listen to it. Don't use subtitles at all while doing this. Actively listen and try to parse what they're saying; don't let yourself zone out and start listening passively.
>>304 >How much do you practice listening without subtitles? None, I have good understanding of reading Spanish but whenever I listen just am lost no matter how hard I try to listen.
>>305 The four language skills are reading, writing, listening, and speaking, and you would be amazed how little they feed into eachother, that is, how good someone can get at one of them while being terrible at another. You have to incorporate listening practice specifically into your studying if you want to make serious progress with your listening comprehension in a reasonable timeframe.

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Anki Thread Student 07/17/2020 (Fri) 08:24:58 ID: 67adca No.271 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is dedicated to the use and discussion of Anki for learning languages. >He doesn't study vocabulary using Anki What's the matter anon? afraid of making progress? >What is Anki The best digital flashcard program; both the most effective for memorization and the most powerful/customizable. It's also free, open source, and multiplatform, with versions available on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, and online, with optional synchronization between multiple platforms. >How to get started Download Anki here: https://apps.ankiweb.net/ You can read Anki's documentation here: https://docs.ankiweb.net/#/ You can search for decks shared by other users by clicking the "Get Shared" button in Anki, or by going here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/ You can further customize your experience by looking through user-generated add-ons here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/addons/2.1 >Examples of things to do ITT >Ask questions about using Anki, styling cards, adjusting settings, etc. >Post or request decks from other anons >Talk about how you use Anki and what you use it for
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>>272 Too slow, better to just add picures and audio
>>273 Yeah, it's a property of the cards. Here's the documentation page on it.: https://docs.ankiweb.net/#/templates/fields?id=checking-your-answer I've made all my cards from scratch, so I don't know how hard it is to retrofit a deck that wasn't used for it to use it. >>274 >too slow I don't know dude; my cards/minute seem to be on par with other people in JLTs, and even if it's slower, it's definitely not too slow, and the deference in results is definitely worth it. >add pictures and audio Audio is definitely important for developing correct pronunciation, so I use it as much as I can. I don't know about pictures. I guess they probably help with recall like a mnemonic, but they won't do the same thing as forcing active recall, and it will take a lot longer to track down images and add them as media for every note than convert the note to include a type field.
How to edit the css of typed answers For the longest time I could only get these to partially work, and I didn't get much help online, but I just figured it out, so I'm posting it here. >Edit the typing field itself you have to use the style #typeans{} (not code#typeans{}, which changes the answer checking. Every line of the style has to be marked !important, or the changes on that line will not show up (the note editor will show the changes, but they will not show up when you return to the actual cards). Example: [code] #typeans{ font-family: "Yu Mincho Gothic" !important; font-size: 25px !important; } [/code] >changing the checked answers To change (all parts of) the checked answer, use the style code#typeans{}. If you have also changed the #typeans{} style already, every change you make in code#typeans{} that conflicts with #typeans{} must be marked !important, or it will be overridden. Example (for using both) [code] #typeans{ font-family: "Yu Mincho Gothic" !important;

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>>277 You can automate both audio and video by scraping the data. It still requires active recall, you just quiz yourself on the note in multiple directions. Given the image, what is the word in your language. Given the audio, how do you spell it. Given the word, what does it mean? (image on back). Then it's just yes/no and you can rip through thousands of words at lightning speed. This is power user stuff, but even if you can't code you can often find shared decks that already come with images and audio you're golden as long as you set up the cards properly. It works really well with verbs and concrete nouns, less well but still OK with adjectives, and not so well with adverbs. But you can pull example sentences to go with those too to give you a bit of mnemonic information. Don't get my wrong typing words can give you some real benefit, it's just not the most efficient way if you are talking about memorizing 10 thousand+ words, especially if you're doing multiple languages. My opinion of course. PDF unrelated.

Du kannst nicht Deutsch lernen Student 09/17/2019 (Tue) 21:46:40 ID: 14e499 No.30 [Reply] [Last]
Thread dedicated to the German language

German With Ease
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language

Also, I do apologize for the lack of stuff, I'm trying to make the board more colorful but just bear with me for a while longer.
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>>233 but that's reading material, not a textbook.
What are the functions of das Perfekt, exactly? I've read different sources that day everything from "It's exactly the same as the English present perfect" to "It's exactly the same as the Imperfekt, which is also exactly the same as the English past tense". Doing my best to synthesize the truth from all of this, my guess is that it's functions are >a non-past perfect >a past perfective (like the Preterite in Spanish) and >an informal past imperfective (it can be used instead of the Imperfekt/Präteritum in informal situations) depending on the context, but I don't know if that's close or way off.
This is really specific, but does anyone have audio of southern/Austrian varieties that maintain a fortis-lenis contrast in the syllable coda? I'm interested in learning about these dialects, but the dominance of Standard German makes it hard to find audio for them from English sources.
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>>232 I am using Jannach's German for Reading Knowledge and it's pretty straightforward. I highly recommend it. You may encounter somewhat challenging examples throughout the book that are snippets from old books using old German, DO NOT give up because them. Additionally consider looking at other examples written in modern German.
>>299 Thanks for the recommendation. I'll be sure to look into and check it out if I can find a physical copy, scan, or preview.

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Banner Thread Student 09/18/2019 (Wed) 23:12:05 ID: c703c4 No.38 [Reply] [Last]
Got any ideas for a good one? Help me make this board a little more colorful!
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>>180 cool
>>181 added, thank you so much
>>296 >Forgot to scale it by half before posting At least it's the right aspect ration and under the file size
>>296 Added, thank you very much!

Who inspires you to learn languages? Student 09/27/2019 (Fri) 17:09:55 ID: e1e446 No.57 [Reply] [Last]
for me it's Cardinal Giuseppe Mezzofanti.

Mezzofanti was well known for being a hyperpolyglot who according to Russell 1858 spoke at least thirty languages with rare excellence
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Wasn't he the guy who wanted to translate the bible to every single language?
many people would come and want to speak with the pope, my understanding it that he was a interpreter.
And there's people who were curious and spoke directly with him, thus cementing his linguistic prowess, and at the highest level possible: speaking with a native.

i had a webpage with a book with all the info you could possibly want about him, but for the life of me i cant find it.

this answers anything you would need to know.
That actually sounds plausible and is pretty cool.
>>62 Looks like you'll be able to find out for yourself, Student. https://archive.org/details/lifeofcardinalme00russ

Tough words crossboarder scum 07/15/2020 (Wed) 12:24:32 No.263 [Reply] [Last]
A thread for words that just don't make sense to you. Any language. Video semi-unrelated.
It's not that it doesn't make sense to me, but for the life of me I can never remember the correct reading of "別れる". It's my biggest leech in Anki. It would probably be better if I had learned the Kanji 別, but it hasn't come up in my Kanji deck yet.

Student 09/12/2019 (Thu) 12:42:01 ID: f6757e No.5 [Reply] [Last]
What languages are you learning? Italian here, I've been at it for about two years.
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Still learning Japanese. I believe it I can pass JLPT2, but I'll aim for JLPT1 next exam. Also, I am learning Hebrew, since I want to specialize in comparative Semitic linguistics. I learned a bit about Russian. Russian made me realize how important phonology is and after it I grabbed like 3 introduction books and got hooked up. Autosegmental Phonology is fucking terrific.

Yeah the thing is I am getting sidetracked by reading about theoretical linguistics which reduces my time to learn the other languages. Not to mention laziness and playing vidya that isn't Japanese isn't helping.
Anyone has any lusophone guides?
You mean, to learn BR Portuguese?
Exactly. I think most courses have finished inscription now.
Spanish, Japanese, and German I've reached a relatively high level in Spanish and mostly keep up with it by reading and doing a vocabulary deck. I spend the most time with Japanese when it comes to actually learning. My progress with German has been slow and shitty because I hate the textbook I'm using and can hardly bring myself to slog through it. >>6 >Explanation as to why they're used today As you probably know, Japanese doesn't use spaces. For most words, this isn't a problem; content words are (usually) written (at least partially) in Kanji, and grammatical morphemes are written in hiragana. This works well; native Japanese speakers prefer it over other kinds of writing because they say it helps them understand passages faster, and I have come to agree with that. But for loan words, this is more complicated. You can try to write them in Kanji based on their meaning, and Japanese people used to do this, but because Kanji have a relatively fixed set of ways they can be read outside of using them this way, they usually lead to confusion about pronunciation. You can try writing them in Kanji based on those readings, but this leads to confusion about meanings. Luckily, Japanese has two sets of phonetic characters: hiragana and katakana. Originally they were more or less equivalent to cursive versus print; i.e. they had no difference in meaning and were simply used by different social groups (women tended to be the primary users of hiragana), but over time they were relegated to different functions. Hiragana is used for grammatical morphemes and native or sino-chinese words if not otherwise written in Kanji. Katakana is mainly used for recent foreign words for which there is no Kanji, which combines the benefits of separating semantic and grammatical content that native words have with the benefits of not leading to confusion in pronunciation or meaning. Katakana is also often used to distinguish onomatopoeia-words, and can be used to replace Kanji or hiragana spellings in some contexts to convey emphasis or a casual tone. >>7 Japanese people feel strongly that Kanji-kana mixed script is, overall, better for reading once you've learned it, even if it's harder to learn at first. The fact that it separates the content words from the grammar words very clearly without spacing them out is probably the reason for that, and as far as I know there is some evidence that it actually does make a difference. Also, Japanese is a language with a lot of (near) homophones. In speech they are (partially) disambiguated by pitch accent, but even kana doesn't represent represent that in writing, and even if they did, it wouldn't solve the problem completely and a lot of homonyms would be created.

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文字通り誰も日本語を学べない Student 09/18/2019 (Wed) 20:11:39 Id:8018bf No. 33 [Reply]
Thread dedicated to the Japanese language

Empty at the moment, will be updated
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language

Also, I do apologize for the lack of stuff, I'm trying to make the board more colorful but just bear with me for a while longer.
As someone who is learning it, I don't really recommend it.
Most of the time it looks like they realized midway through a converstation that their grammar couldn't build a sentence to express a certain concept, so they improvised something on the spot and stuck with it for generations.
It really feels like it, doesn't it?
Take the no-adjective redpill. No-adjectives aren't just "nouns in the genitive case that happen to be translated as adjectives in English" like bluepilled cucks say; they're a full blown class of nominal adjectives on par with na-adjectives. Evidence? >の is a fully fledged attributive form of the copula, same as な, not just a genitive particle (these are two different のs, one a particle and one a verb). >If the adjective meaning came just from the noun being in the attributive case, then the adjective meaning would be limited to when it just followed by の (as a genitive case marker), but instead, you can replace the の with any (other) inflection of the copula (except な) without changing the meaning, like with な adjectives, and can use them anywhere you would use a な adjective.
Japanese.io is a good resource for reading Japanese webpages. It's a browser extension that parses all the text on a page and defines it like Tangoristo did, but it works on any webpage.

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