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Japanese Learning Thread chat 09/14/2021 (Tue) 05:40:07 No.124
Have you been doing your reps, anon? Are the VTubers finally starting to resemble words and not moon-speak for you? Who do you like listening to, to assist your Japanese learning? Friendly reminder that you CAN learn Japanese for your Oshi! You just can't learn Kanji. >Current Resource https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html >Old Resource https://djtguide.neocities.org/ >Learn Hiragana & Katakana in a few hours or days https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/ https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-katakana/ >Anki https://apps.ankiweb.net/ >Core 2K/6K Deck (recommended for autodidactic learners) https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU >KANJIDAMAGE deck (recommended for learners who struggle with rote memorization) https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/748570187 KanjiDamage website: http://www.kanjidamage.com/ >Dictionary https://jisho.org >Tae Kim's Guide http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/ >IMABI https://www.imabi.net/ >Megapack Torrent https://nyaa.si/view/1372367 >Genki (Warning ~1.5GB since it includes dialogues and audio work) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ep9YHFQqI8JfHvQDyIvDUkbudQ1bRM7z >Where do I start? Depends on your goals. Obviously with Hiragana/Katakana, but you wouldn't be reading this if you didn't know those. Learn hiragana first as katakana has limited practical usage outside of cosmopolitan hubs and books. If you have fat stacks of cash and just want to go to Japan, just get a tutor or sensei and don't bother with these guides since you will do 100x better in a structured setting with Japanese. They will probably use the Genki textbook since it's used by English-speakers and SEA languages both. If you are a poorfag or autodidactic learner (you are probably not an autodidact if you are reading this), itazuraneko guide will be the place to start along with reading Tae Kim's guide or いまび (imabi) for grammar (you can read both but I would read one, do a little work for a month or two, then read the other when doing that). Japanese grammar is pretty intuitive, but it's easy to fuck up. If you suck at rote memorization, start with Kanjidamage as it is designed to be engaging and teach you through little snarky lessons. You don't have to understand everything in Tae Kim's guide/いまび from the start, but you should at least read through it once since you will absorb a lot of information passively. I suggest reading it at night as it will put you to sleep and kill two birds with one stone.
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Some tips. I can read/listen to nip quite well, not that great at handwriting (even in English) and have never really had the opportunity to speak or practice speaking but I assume most beginners just care about the 'understanding' bits. Tae Kim's grammar guide is the best to start out with. Free (piracy nonwithstanding), simple, starts you off with Kanji ASAP. It's not perfect and you probably won't remember everything after finishing it but that's fine. As long as you have a general idea on how sentences are structured by the end then you can just go back to look at it whenever you're confused on things. I have very rarely, if ever, used grammar books like Genki. Anything that uses roumaji (japanese written in roman characters, it's the 'watashi wa same desu' to 私はサメです) is fucking useless. You should actively be trying to avoid using roumaji, it's one of the few things that will genuinely fuck you up. After a look at a grammar guide, you can start reading and listening to stuff. Don't be afraid of doing it, it's definetly hard as hell and I had trouble reading 5 pages of Yotsubato when I was first starting out, but the more you do it the easier it'll get. At first, you can try just looking for new sentences/phrases/words and adding those onto what you'll learn with Anki. As for listening, listen even if you don't understand anything. Worst that can happen is that you get bored. I recommend watching things you've seen before with subs, or have a general notion of what the plot is, or just something where you wouldn't get bored if you didn't understand what was going on. Like Vtubers! Anime won't retard your speech because presumably you're not a manchild who unironically uses phrases in cartoons to talk to people. Anki is a thing you should use, primarily for rote study of kanji and 'mining'. Having a bunch of premade decks isn't a very good idea since you'll be less emotionally attached to the phrases. If you know the context that a certain word was used in, and have that sentence, it'll stick in your memory much more clearly and will eventually become part of you. Just having the words in an anki deck seems convenient, but if you don't have any context to throw it around in it becomes a lot harder to remember shit. To this extent, I regularly used sentence cards, which are essentially 'sentence on the front, phrase and definition on the back'. I've seen a similar type of card used, I think it was called an audio card, which was the same thing but instead of a written sentence it'd just be the spoken sentence. While I haven't used it, I don't see anything wrong with it other than the possibility that a sentence you might have wasn't actually spoken, or that it's very damn annoying to get the audio for it. You'll probably either have a full audio deck, mixed deck, or just sentence cards deck as a result. Kanji is tricky. There's basically two parts to every kanji, there's the kanji itself, how it's written, and what you might 'define' it as, and then there's all of the various contexts in which the kanji is used. The former helps you with writing them, the latter helps you with understanding them, reading them, knowing the words they appear in, etc. Fully separating kanji studies and reading is stupid and makes everything harder. Reading can easily help you understand kanji a lot more, which is very useful because Japanese is designed by retarded island dwellers who really think it's okay for a random character to be read in 5 different ways depending on context. For rote study, I've found RTK 1/3 to be the best. I don't really bother with the books, although there's no reason not to, I just use the Anki deck. 2 is just about reading the kanji which is redundant if you're reading by yourself and not very efficent. If you're not very good at reading Kanji, which you probably aren't, then look for material with furigana in it. Furigana is the Japanese's answer to their dumbass writing system by simply telling you how Kanji is supposed to be read. Pic related. If you ever have a question about why Japanese is fucking stupid then just tell yourself 'Oh right, it's Japan' and move on, because getting upset over every little thing isn't very efficent. A surprising amount of manga has furigana in it, and you can also use listening material to help with reading. Speaking is something I find difficult because of anxiety. If anyone has any good ideas on how to practice it, let me know. thangg you for comingg 2 ted talk :DD Also duolingo is shit. You can keep using it if you want but I personally despise it. I will not stand for the vtuber conspiracy to make everyone use duolingo to convince themselves through hippie placebo that they are learning a language.
Anyone has a WebM of Coco saying "do your reps"?
>>134 I'll check my backup hard drive tonight. In the mean time have this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tfPRX8fz4Iw
>>127 Duolingo is fine if your only goal is understanding tourist phrases. It is shit for learning a language though. Genki is based around a college curriculum where you finish 70% of the first book in the first semester, and the other half plus the rest of the second book during the second semester. The reason it uses romaji for the first couple modules is because it works off the basis that you are learning hiragana/katakana concurrently, and stops doing that after what would be the first month of classes. Genki is designed around a classroom/tutoring setting in most cases.
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Why is Duolingo so heavily used anyways? At least Rosetta Stone made an attempt at wanting people to actually learn languages at $300 to cover the online tutors and such, but Duolingo is absolute shovelware garbage closer to a game than a learning app.
>>175 You answered your own question. >Duolingo is absolute shovelware garbage closer to a game than a learning app. >Duolingo is [...] closer to a game than a learning app.
>>178 Yes, but comparatively better learning applications use game mechanics too from time to time and it's clear most people using it aren't using the free trial version of duolingo.
Some studying tips. Most of these are common sense but it's worth repeating. >A healthy body leads to a healthy mind If you're struggling, exercise. Fat leads to excess estrogen production and lower T-levels making you act like an emotional brat, so exercise. If you're struggling, go for a mile walk or a short swim then come back to it. Do leg day. Your thighs are the second largest testosterone power house in the body, and strain on the glutes has been directly linked to bodily signals to produce more. Naturally produced testosterone has been directly shown to help with focus. >Eat sugar* Carbs might make some anons sleepy, but a small bit of sugar (like a mini candy bar's worth or a glass of milk) while studying has been shown to significantly increase retention by activating these reward pathways. The best time to ingest is mid-completion, since your body will naturally produce reward hormones post-completion. This is also why alcohol works since it effects similar pathways and why wine (higher in sugar content) is one of the best alcoholic study drinks followed by malt-heavy beers. *Avoid chewing gum while studying because your brain will associate the correct answer with the smell/texture of gum which can screw you over when you don't have gum. >Don't cram This can't be stressed enough, but don't cram. The only proper way to learn Japanese or learn a specific kanji is to use it daily. Anon might learn everything in a day and move on, he might even actually memorize them doing this method, but he's going to hit a roadblock down the line while the anon who struggles but practices old words daily is going to retain them in his long-term memory.
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I'm having an issue with not being able to associate Japanese things with English equivalencies and approximates. I know most anons would say it's a good thing that my brain is processing information this way, but it's making it difficult to study because I don't know if I'm actually learning the "meaning" behind what I'm saying or just learning appropriate phrases to respond with. I can even respond on-the-fly in some cases when my sensei calls on me with an unexpected question so I know it's a little deeper than surface level, but I feel like the connection just isn't there. Are there any exercises I can do for this? I don't want to fall into bad habits of tying Japanese to English phrases, but I eventually want to be able to "translate" what I'm saying/writing into English.
Is watching Japanese clips of English chuubas a good idea(assuming that I watch clips of rare non-trash ones)?
>>124 >Tae Kim's Guide >http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/ In addition to Tae Kim, I recommend IMABI https://www.imabi.net If you need a dictionary, use https://jisho.org
>>452 >let me sing you the song of my people Holy fuck these tutorials are such aids. They ramble on about how the ghost of emporer hirohito was actually about the ghost of empress hiragita. I DO NOT GIVE A SINGLE FUCK! WHAT ARE THE BASIC SOUNDS OF THE FUCKING LANGUAGE YOU SOY CATTLE FUCKS!!! FUCK OFF WITH THE ANCIENT HISTORY LESSONS FOR INTERMEDIATE OR ABOVE SPEAKERS!
>>460 Read Genki or equivalent in your $language.
>>175 Duolingo is essentially a tourist pocket dictionary in app form. It quickly teaches you meme phrases to get around, and you'll never, ever leave that level. It gets results quickly, but without giving you any basis in the language whatever, thus nothing to build upon. Quick, showy results.
nyaa link doesn't work. I can only access the sister site sukeibe.

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