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Middle East/Africa 2 for 1 special Strelok 11/15/2020 (Sun) 03:52:15 No.9172
Thread dedicated to conflicts involving Middle Eastern and African country's. We haven't had a middle east thread for months now so feel free to post some interesting developments that we may have missed during the threads absence. Just make sure that if you are posting old events have the date of the event listed as to not cause confusion. https://archive.is/pQiPv >Military Situation In Syria On November 13, 2020 >November 13, artillery of Turkish-backed forces shelled SDF positons north of Tal Tamar >November 13, clashes between SAA and Turkish-backed forces were erupted near Tadef >November 13, artillery Turkish-backed forces shelled SDF positions north of Minnagh airbase >November 13, Russian warplanes pounded militant targets near the village of Al-Barah >November 13, Russian forces struck areas near Idlib central prison with two Iskandar missiles, pro-militant sources speculated (the usage of Iskander missiles remains unconfirmed). https://archive.is/Xq8rk >Russian Missile, Air Strikes Hit Western Outskirts Of HTS-Held Idlib City >On November 13 afternoon, a missile struck the western outskirts of the northwestern Syrian city of Idlib, which is occupied by al-Qaeda-affiliated Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) https://archive.is/tOV8s >75 Syrian Soldiers, ISIS Terrorists Killed In Central Syrian Clashes In Last Two Weeks >"48 regime soldiers and allied militiamen were killed, while 27 ISIS members were killed,” the SOHR said in the report, “the death toll is expected to rise as some injured are in serious condition, amid reports of further fatalities" >Syrian government forces and their allies are carrying out combing operations in the outskirts of the Homs desert on a regular basis. However, they are yet to address the terrorist group’s well-established presence within the region.
Mean while in Ethiopia. >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54942546 Eritrea and ethopia working togeather? Hot dammed the Tigray are about to get genocided unless the current ethopians are the retarded muslims and not the ones that beat the italians.
>>9172 What is the overall situation in Syria? Is ISIS really a threat, or just an excuse for Russia and Turkey to keep some troops stationed there?
>>9172 I'm still surprised ISIS is still a thing >>9180 I'm leaning on the latter, it's not like they have jungles or mountains to hide in.
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>>9178 >fellow Abyssinian slaughtering fellow Abyssinian I'm getting tired of these culturally-destructive wars while none are happening where they should. It's a stretch but all this conflict is being funded by the superpowers to divide and conquer people in the future.
>>9198 The sad part is that in Africa, the Ethiopians are the only ones with some kickass and historical truth to back it up. Remember that they claim the have the arc of the covenant and they continuously kick the asses of the "major" Egyptian power.... After the death of Hellenized Egypt, Ethiopia is the only real "civilization" in Africa that has withstood the test of time. I see Ethiopia similar to China. Eras of relative power and centralization followed by catastrophic warlordisim. The day that Ethiopia and Eritrea are united together with no insurgency will be another resurgence in power.
>>9180 >>9181 >I'm still surprised ISIS is still a thing >What is the overall situation in Syria? Is ISIS really a threat? I'm shocked they are still even active in the government controlled areas in Syria too Streloks. Obviously they are a shell of their former selves but it still seems they are ramping up attacks in the last couple of weeks. Again even yesterday there was another ISIS attack on some Syrian Security works in the southern Raqqa. https://archive.is/2kelz >Late on November 14, ISIS terrorists attacked fighters from the al-Qatirji security group, which guards government oil shipments in southern Raqqa >5 Security workers confirmed dead
>>9217 >I see Ethiopia similar to China. Eras of relative power and centralization followed by catastrophic warlordisim. That's how every civilization works.
>>9231 The thing is that they have a civilization to speak of, unlike most of africa.
>>9234 Indeed, most African kangdoms were the indirect result of the Arab trade routes creating spots of relative stability, meanwhile Ethiopia is a ˝self-sustaining˝ empire that unites (or at least tries to) a bunch of kingdoms and a plethora of ethnicities. Of course we have to remember that even in the 19th century they realized that Ethiopians have a Caucasian bone structure, and if we go with the out-of-Asia theory, then the Horn of Africa was the first place where new waves of humanity entered the continent, so they Ethiopians are really a lot more than the talking-walking apes in most other parts of Sub-Saharan Africa.
>>9235 Ironically the only other civilizations were in the medditeranian and were destroyed by the muslims, go figure. >Egypt Destroyed by the muslims >Tunisia, destroyed by rome, rekt again by muslims. >Mauritania the historical roman client state destroyed by berbers and muslims. Ironically Tunisia is going on a pro-western slant. Guess phonetican blood is still within them. They got rid of sharia and outlawed you beating your wife as the quran demands.
>>9247 I don't want to start a needless argument here, but by civilization I mean the Spenglerian term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West#Spengler's_Cultures Do note that kikepedia is not as reliable as actually reading his work. He doesn't rule out the existence of civilizations not mentioned by him, and he even said how his model could be used to identify newly discovered civilizations. In my opinion Ethiopia counts as a civilization on its own because it went through the long development progress that gives unlife to a civilization. Meanwhile places like Tunisia and Mauritania are just states that belong to a civilization or an other, and not civilizations on their own right. And based on what I know, it looks like Japan is actually a civilization of its own, but it's so thoroughly influenced by the Sinic and later the Faustian civilization that it's hard to notice it.
>>9249 >arguing It's not a needless argument, I was wondering what you meant by civilization. Always good to have logical discourse. >Japan Technically japan is special because they are like Russia, fused "culture" of its own right that does not belong to either the western nor the sintic sphere completely. and technically they belong in the western and the sintic civilizations at the same time, with the drawbacks and strengths of both
>>9252 In that case, I think there exist things I'd call ˝civilizational attainments˝, a bunch of things that are the product of a civilization, but can be taken up by other civilizations. Basically what the word meme originally meant, but on a larger scale. It can be something relatively simple, like how to make bronze, to relatively complicated things, like the Western civilization's university system. For example, coins are actually a surprisingly new invention, and the Egyptian civilization (which actually seems to be the last remnant of the bronze age civilization of the Mediterranean, the other parts were destroyed by the bronze age collapse) had a perfectly functional economy that didn't use what we'd recognize as money, because it was based on barter. Even when Greek coins appeared, they were merely integrated to the barter system. An other good example would be the alphabet: according to modern research nearly all alphabets are the descendants of the Sumerian cuneiform in a way or an other, because it was easy to import and adapt that, and in a way it got both more primitive and yet more functional, until Phoenicians turned it into an adjad, and then that turned into a proper alphabet. So writing survived the collapse of several civilizations. Now, in the case of Japan, the presence of an older and much more developed civilization (the Sinic) meant that as they became more-and-more sophisticated they could import more-and-more of these civilizational attainments without developing an alternative of their own. But that only started to happen once they became a civilization, so it had little to no effect on the underlying culture. A similar thing happened with the Western and the Classic civilization: we got many things from Rome, so instead of developing out own things we just used what we found among the ruins. Spengler writes quite a lot about this, and one of the examples he brings up is intellectual property: Roman law doesn't deal with this, because the whole concept of intellectual property is beyond their understanding. And that's why we have all these problems with copyright laws. He basically identified the source of many of our woes in the 1910s! But there is one key difference between the Japanese and Western civilization: our chief source of civilizational attainments was already gone when we started the long process that turns a high culture into a civilization, and the next closest existing civilization was the Arabic, and we didn't have a good relationship with it. We still got quite a lot of civilizational attainments nevertheless, but not enough to seriously affect our own development. Japan was simply not that lucky, so they indeed got nearly all of their civilizational attainments from China, but again, that didn't change the underlying culture, even if it means that they became a part of the Sinic civilization. It's the same how all that fapping to Graeco-Roman ideas didn't turn us into Romans.
>>9223 So long as Turkey needs oil. ISIS will not cease to exist. ISIS was always and now remains a security group for ensuring Turkey can keep illegally extracting oil out of Syria.
>>9257 >>9252 >Japan I'm going to shill smug's thread on this matter since they like discussing these things. https://smuglo.li/a/res/756253.html
>>9265 I was thinking about writing a few of my thoughts there, but I will need some time to gather them into a coherent post.
>>9257 >He basically identified the source of many of our woes in the 1910s! The more i read about him the more uncanny it guess, guess i should actually read the guy
>>9267 He also predicted that in the 21st century Europe won't be able to turn into an empire, the closest thing is going to be an economic union. Again, that is entirely correct.
We're getting into massive sage territory but ah fuck it. >>9257 >japan getting all it's civilizational attainments from China. I heavily disagree with that. Japan has evolved completely distinct from China due to its lack of a direct (land) trade route and relative isolation. It's a divergent evolution that evolves close parallels, but completely distinct. This is different from say, Korea/Vietnam where they claim to hate the Chinese, but would not have a true culture without it. The japanese can claim to have their own civilization even IF they were cut off from the Chinese perpetually. >>9268 >Europe as an empire A single EU nationstate no. But mutiple seperate empire possible. I'd guess it be something like the follows: >Russia and the slavs maybe polish commonwealth again in eastern europe >France and the Romance speaking language states, romanian excluded >Germany and the Germanic languages with the Scandis, maybe England (probably not) >balkans still a dumpster fire. >>9265 >japan thread Strelok I cannot provide much information in regards to Japan itself. However, if you want input on sintic culture and it's historical basis alongside its history that seems confusing to someone from the west I'll gladly do that. Anyways back on topic >Houthis rebels in Yemen said Sunday that 200 captives would be released by the government, while the group would release 101 during prisoner swap negotiations in Jordan. >Abdul Qader al-Murtaza, the head of Houthi Captive Affairs, said in a statement broadcast on Houthi-owned Al-Masirah television that rebels would also release the president’s brother, Nasser Mansour Hadi, during talks Thursday in Jordan. Measure of desperation, or deliberate detente?
>BREAKING >US military commanders are anticipating that a formal order will be given by President Trump as soon as this week to begin a further withdrawal of US troops in #Afghanistan and #Iraq before Trump leaves office on January 20th, according to two US officials familiar. >The Pentagon has issued a notice on to commanders known as a “warning order” to begin planning to drawdown US troops to 2,500 troops in #Afghanistan & 2,500 in #Iraq by Jan 15, the officials said. >Currently there are approximately 4,500 US troops in #Afghanistan & 3,000 troops in #Iraq. >The move goes against the recommendation of military commanders who have long argued that any additional withdrawals should be conditions based and that the situation does not currently merit and additional drawdowns. #Iraq #Afghanistan >Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller sent a seemingly contradictory message to the force saying the United States must continue its battle against al #Qaeda and the terrorist forces behind 9/11 while also saying it was time to bring troops home. #Iraq #Afghanistan https://archive.is/0Co83 https://twitter.com/HamdiAlkhshali/status/1328410602243551236
>>9284 Reading the hashes was an ill experience.
>>9284 >drawdown I guarantee you the generals will not do it. Some "attack" will occur and they will justify the delay. Trumps also being hyped as a lame duck since he's lost the election, so if you haven't realized recently most agencies are not really listening to him.
>>9317 >since he's lost the election, What makes you so sure of that friend? Been swigging too much of the media spin koolaid?
>>9321 I should have put quotes around lost. Regardless, I'm not confident of the courts willing to invalidate stuff due to blackstones ratio and what I think is a really shitty argument by his legal teams. I want him to march on rome like sulla
>>9317 There is a legal basis in the military in which Trump can effectively fire any Military General who doesn't follow through on an order unless the order is objectively unconstitutional or impossible. Pulling out is neither and could potentially force Biden into another war in a year's time. A "terrorist" attack on a mass scale is the only thing they could use to justify staying, and even then most of the "terrorist" groups still remaining just want the USA out/have ceasefire agreements. If that happens (disobeying orders) it's career-ender for career military politicians. If a terrorist cell hits, it's 100% guaranteed a CIA operation or friendly fire. Assuming Trump even follows through, anyways.
>Senior Syrian General, Eleven Soldiers Killed In New ISIS Ambush In Deir Ezzor >Major General Bashir Salim Ismail, commander of the SAA’s 137th Regiments also killed in the fight >No source on number of ISIS casualties https://archive.is/d7nsq
>>9348 F The Tanf colony is a disease.
At least it seems things are boiling over in many places. Morocco and the Polisario Front might end the 29 year ceasefire and go back to war. https://archive.vn/iHejw
>>9360 Have we started the fire?
>>9362 We never started the fire. It's always been burning.
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More news out of Syria and Afghanistan. >A field commander of the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) was reportedly killed in a Turkish drone strike on the northern Raqqa countryside >Kurdish Syrian sources acknowledged that Hassan Nidal Suleiman, originally from the northern al-Hasakah countryside, was killed. However, they didn’t provide any details on the incident Also form the same article >On November 21, heavy Turkish shelling targeted Ain Issa, where a centre of the Russian Military Police and several Syrian Arab Army positions are located. No human losses were reported as a result of the shelling If the Turks end up killing any Russians and Putin says fuck it and starts openly bombing turk bases in Syria how much of a Shit storm would that cause? https://archive.is/UYEaO >Turkish Proxies Suffered Several Attacks By ISIS And Kurdish Forces In Aleppo >On November 18, ISIS announced that its cells had assassinated Hussein al-Jabli, an officer of the Free Syrian Police in the Turkish-occupied city of al-Bab >On November 4, Hamdu Hamadi, a commander of the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army, was assassinated by ISIS in al-Bab >The Kurdish group (ALF) released a video showing recent attack with an improvised explosive device on a SUV carrying Turkish-backed militants in Afrin https://archive.is/Aonyc Now for some Afghanistan >ISIS Fired Dozens Of Rockets At Afghanistan’s Kabul >The Ministry of Interior Affairs said at least 23 rockets landed in the city of Kabul >The large-scale rocket attack claimed the lives of eight people and injured at least 31 others. The death toll from the attack will likely rise in the upcoming hours. https://archive.vn/nQFWM Something that I find really interesting is that the same time these rocket attacks took place the U.S. Secretary of State was landing in the capital of Qatari for more negotiations between the Afghan government and the Taliban. I wonder if the attack was meant to fuck with the peace talks that are already strained because the Afghan government and the Taliban don't trust each other at all Or another part could be to stop the withdrawal of U.S. forces form Afghanistan that was promised. Didn't even king nigger promise to withdraw troops around 6-7 years ago? Considering there is still violent clashes between the Taliban and government forces I doubt there will ever be peace as long as they try to force (((democracy))) in Afghanistan. Well lads between this, pissrael openly admitting to striking SAA positions, and Trumps talk about a farewell strike on Iran no matter who is declared president come January I expect more meddling and kikeiry to happen in the middle east for the foreseeable future.
>>9516 Remember what I said about a false flag in >>9317 ? Taliban has no reason to let the us withdraw, they need a common enemy and they want tacit chinese/russian support, the second the US pulls out it becomes five with fuckfest with russia, china, iran, pakistan, india all intervening with their intelligence agencies TBH though, the current afghan government doesn't deserve to rule, it can't even hold areas right outside kabul on a permanent basis.
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>>9516 >U.S. B-52 bombers from Minot AFB, N.D. deploy on ‘short-notice’ to Middle East Saturday for first time in months and days after U.S. announced it was pulling forces from Afghanistan and Iraq https://web.archive.org/web/20201122072906/https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1330215993017315329 https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1330215993017315329
>>9518 Taliban is a largely educated religiously backed organization that burns opiates and wants Afghanistan to return to normalcy. They want the US out and there's a reason they hate ISIS. It's the warlords backed by the USA that want the military to stay.
>>9556 >normalcy You mean becoming a base for Pakistan, who funded them in the 90s in the hope of increasing their strategic depth in the event of a war with India.
>>9557 Does seem to be an improvement over being the CIA's poppy farm.
>>9699 What is that supposed to be?
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https://archive.is/cql0M Top Iranian Nuclear Scientist Fakhrizadeh Assassinated >Senior Iranian nuclear scientist Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi, a high-profile figure in the country’s nuclear energy program, has been assassinated in Damavand, east of Tehran. >According to several media reports, the scientist was killed on Friday, Nov. 27, 2020, in the Absard region of Davamand. >He was reportedly accompanied by his bodyguard when they were attacked by a “suicide” attacker at the entrance of Absard town. >Fakhrizadeh has been killed by shooting, but before the shootout, his car has been stopped with an explosion at Mostafa Khomeini Blvd. Several others are also reportedly killed in the incident, but haven’t been identified yet. >While Iran’s state TV also confirmed the assassination, Behrouz Kamalvandi, a spokesman for the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, has denied the reports, saying all nuclear scientists are safe. >Tasnim quotes an informed source as saying that Fakhrizadeh is not dead yet and is under treatment in operation room. Efforts are underway to treat him and one of his companions >A Professor of physics at the Imam Hussein University, he was a senior scientist at the Iranian Ministry of Defence and Armed Forces Logistics. >No one has yet claimed responsibility for the assassination, but the Israeli regime has a dark history of hiring hit men to assassinate nuclear scientists and intellectuals in Iran. >Four Iranian nuclear scientists were assassinated by the Israeli regime between 2010 and 2012. According to Western intelligence agencies, the acts of terror were carried out by Israeli agents, an accusation Israeli officials never denied. >>9702 Elite German commandos inspecting a Roach cargo ship suspected of carrying weapons to Libya in violation of the UN arms embargo.
>>9558 They can comfortably be both.
>>9717 Not with the taliban in charge. They might be following the cult of that camelherder, but that also means that they strongly discourage fucking boys and making opium.
>>9719 Is the current day Taliban still like that? Good news if so. Hopefully with America's waning world police influence they'll be able to stomp out all glownigger influence for a good while. Unless China or Russia goes after them instead. >>9704 It'd be really nice if Turkey fucked up hard enough to wind up on everyone's shitlist, they're already pretty close to being as internationally hated as America.
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>>9704 The Iranians released what happened to Fakhrizadeh and man does this sound like some sketchy shit. >Fakhrizadeh and his wife were on their way to spend the weekend at their house in a Tehran suburb >Escorted by three security cars >Leading car left the motorcade to do a preliminary security check of the house >When the firs car left shots were fired at Fakhrizadeh's car pic related >Fakhrizadeh then STEEPED OUT of his car why his remaining security personal didn't stop him I have no idea >thinking he had hit something or there was engine trouble even though in the picture they released his car windshield has damage from being shot multiple times >Once out of the car he was targeted by a remotely-controlled machine gun that was installed in the trunk of a Nissan pickup 150 meters away >Fakhrizadeh was hit three times, flown to hospital by helicopter but later died of his injuries >The Nissan pick up and the gun blew up in what appears to be a self-destruction >Owner of the pickup left Iran on October 29th https://archive.is/3bWpz Either this was a massive failure on the security teams part or something fishy is going on behind the scenes that the Iranian government doesn't want people to know about. What do you guys think?
>>9817 >The Nissan pick up and the gun blew up in what appears to be a self-destruction >Owner of the pickup left Iran on October 29th Israeli Ops 101, hidden or seemingly abandoned resources in the middle of the desert or old buildings. Official story doesn't fit but they rarely do, for a jewish operation i'm surprised no civilians were intentionally harmed.
>>9832 >Israeli Ops 101 Yea the Iranians usually blame the Jews for good reason just kind of surprised they have operatives still in Iran today. Would of thought Iranians would be able to smell a Jew from a mile away and expel them. Does Israel often hire indigenous personal for operations like this? Because I don't think they would trust a remote controlled machine to some Iranian defector. >for a jewish operation i'm surprised no civilians were intentionally harmed Kek same, I'm surprised they didn't try to kill Fakhrizadeh when we was at a child relatives birthday party or maybe a crowded market.
>>9833 >iranian defector Hint hint who just fought a war with armenia that isreal was supporting? There's a sizable azeri minority in NW Iran so I they would be both motivated and displined enough to do it... My OTHER guess is that the Azeris in Iran are trying to whack him as some sort of independence program. Unlikely but possible, given that iran did after basically tell the azeri independence movement to get tossed off a roof basically sometime back.
>>9840 >There's a sizable azeri minority in NW Iran so I they would be both motivated and displined enough to do it... Jesus you are right, after looking on Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt Azeris make up 16-20% of Iran's population. I had no idea they had some many of them in Iran. I'd wager you're correct in saying that you could easily find some Azeris willing to kill for Israel just because they helped during the Nagorno-Karabakh war. Maybe sprinkle in little hints of Azeri independence like you were saying and you could probably fill a couple of divisions, maybe even more.
>>9853 That's what I'm saying, I'd post a source but there was a chinese article written about azeris rioting in nw iran.
The Israeli parliament has voted to dissolve itself and enter into the fourth election this year.
>>10084 >kessnet dissolved Farce or actual instability ala US tier retardation, I have no idea.
>>10424 >jewishpress. com Kek yea I don't think he's dead, looking this up and came back with nothing so I'm going to say more jewish lies. Now a question for Streloks, do you think that if when Biden becomes president will we see the same nation ruining that we got under Bush and king nigger? For burger anons who know more about him than I do is he a massive War hawk? Will we see even more arming of the (((moderate Rebels))) in Syria and giving even more shekels to Israel?
>>10841 Leaf, but I would expect so. State department still seems to be more bloodthirsty than a 600 year old vampire loli, and they've been dem-friendly so I think we'll be seeing plenty more fun in the sandbox at this rate. Probably also north africa too.
>On Monday, tanker company Hafnia reported that the BW Rhine had been "hit from an external source whilst discharging at Jeddah" at about 00:40 local time (21:40 GMT on Sunday), "causing an explosion and subsequent fire". >The overnight attack at the facility's fuel terminal resulted in a small fire on board that was extinguished, the energy ministry told state media. >The owner of a Singapore-flagged tanker, BW Rhine, earlier said that it had been "hit from an external source", causing a blast that damaged its hull. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55298807 https://archive.is/98fpY False flag or houthis or ISIS turkey getting antsy?
https://archive.is/6Kr5m US to reject 2021 Syrian polls if not in line with UNSC >US envoy accuses Bashar al-Assad regime of delaying UNSC work to buy time to carry out 'sham presidential election' >The US on Wednesday said Washington and the international community will not recognize the 2021 presidential elections in Syria if they are not in line with UN Security Council resolutions. >"It is increasingly apparent that the Assad regime is delaying the Committee’s work to buy time as it prepares to carry out a sham presidential election in 2021 and wash its hands of the UN-facilitated political process," Kelly Craft, the US envoy to UN, told a UNSC virtual briefing on Syria. >"Syrian elections will not be recognized as legitimate by the US and the international community if they are not in line with Resolution 2254," Craft said. "The international community will not allow the Assad regime to impose a military victory on the Syrian people with an illegitimate presidential election and no political reforms." >She reiterated that there is "no military solution" to the conflict and the "only way" forward for peace is for the Bashar al-Assad regime to support the political roadmap outlined in Resolution 2254. >"Even if guns are silenced, social and political wounds from this decade-long horror story will fester," Craft added. >Starting her sentence with "sadly," she said that this month marked the fifth anniversary of the adoption of Resolution 2254 with "little meaningful progress toward a political solution." >The envoy expressed the US commitment to "oppose any attempts by the Assad regime and its allies to bypass Resolution 2254" and urged the regime and Russia to ensure immediate progress toward the drafting of a new Syrian constitution during the fifth round of Syria talks in Geneva on January. >On the humanitarian situation in the country, she said that more than nine million Syrians need food assistance amid the coronavirus pandemic -- the largest number since 2011 when the civil war began. >"As 2020 comes to a close, there is little to celebrate in Syria, and much to mourn," Craft described the current situation. "We must not forget that it was Russia and China that forced this Council to slash the UN’s cross-border humanitarian access in half amid a global pandemic," Craft said.
>>10841 >For burger anons who know more about him than I do is he a massive War hawk? Biden's defense secretary is on the board of directors for Raytheon. If we don't rapidly expand our involvement in every middle eastern country to use more missiles, I would be very surprised.
>>11359 The US military already started plans to rapidly expand their arsenals last year. I imagine it will only get more intense come February. t. Builds explosives as well as mundane things for a living.
>>11359 Could Biden pay the defense companies to just pound sand while achieving nothing, the ultimate form of money laundering? A post-modern war?
Iran has seized a South Korean tanker after South Korean banks refused to release billions of dollars in funds due to US sanctions pressure.
>>11661 God the US is such a cancer on world affairs.
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>>11661 Further details: South Korean-flagged tanker seized by Iran, Seoul demands release >Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps seized a South Korean-flagged tanker in Gulf waters and detained its crew, Iranian media said on Monday, amid tensions between Tehran and Seoul over Iranian funds frozen in South Korean banks due to U.S. sanctions. >Seoul confirmed the seizure of a South Korean chemical tanker by Iranian authorities in the waters off Oman, and demanded its immediate release. >Several Iranian media outlets, including state TV, said the Guards navy captured the vessel for polluting the Gulf with chemicals. >“According to initial reports by local officials, it is purely a technical matter and the ship was taken to shore for polluting the sea,” state television quoted Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Saeed Khatibzadeh as saying. >The semi-official Tasnim news agency published pictures showing the Guards’ speed boats escorting the tanker HANKUK CHEMI, which it said was carrying 7,200 tonnes of ethanol. >It said the vessel’s detained crew members included nationals of South Korea, Indonesia, Vietnam and Myanmar. Iran’s state TV said the tanker was being held at Iran’s Bandar Abbas port city. The ship had 20 crew members, according to South Korea’s foreign ministry. >The U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet is aware of the incident and is monitoring the situation, spokeswoman Rebecca Rebarich said in response to a Reuters query. https://web.archive.org/web/20210104191102/https://www.reuters.com/article/iran-tanker/update-1-south-korean-flagged-tanker-seized-by-iran-media-reports-idUSL1N2JF0L8 Video released by IRGC. South Korea will be sending an Anti-Piracy Unit to the waters near the Strait of Hormuz after today's incident. The Cheonghae Unit will be deployed to secure the safety of other South Korean ships. https://archive.is/BLsxU Iran has also restarted uranium enrichment: Iran resumes enriching uranium to 20% purity at Fordo facility >Iran has resumed enriching uranium to 20% purity, in its most significant breach yet of the 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. >The global nuclear watchdog confirmed that the process had begun at the underground Fordo plant on Monday. >Enriched uranium can be used to make reactor fuel but also nuclear bombs. Weapons-grade uranium is 90% purity. >Iran, which insists that its nuclear programme is peaceful, has rolled back a number of commitments under the deal. >It has said it is retaliating for the US economic sanctions that were reinstated in 2018 by President Donald Trump when he abandoned the accord, also known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). https://web.archive.org/web/20210104151040/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55530366 Saudis and the Gulf nations are lifting their boycott of Qatar: >1 \ BREAKING: Saudi Arabia, Qatar & other Gulf states to sign tomorrow an agreement towards ending the Gulf rift. Jared Kushner who mediated between the parties traveled to Saudi Arabia to participate in the signing ceremony which will take place during the Gulf leaders’ summit https://archive.is/2rrXX Also about a week ago Iran released the final footage of the Qassim Soleimani assassination.
What would happen if Israel got cut off from American help, and a coalition of militias supported by Iran and Egypt managed to overwhelm the IDF and manage to effectively destroy the jewish state? Would we see the rise of an independent Palestine, or would the neighbouring countries gobble up all that land?
>>12639 While Israeli troops are certainly some of the crappiest in the world pun intended, I imagine they'd hold their positions fairly well unless the other countries are backed by Russia or utilizing mass drone technology. Regardless of the average Kike's thoughts, the average Kike soldier is gonna think he's defending his homeland which makes a difference in fighting strength.
>>12641 I'm not saying that it would be an easy fight for the Arabs, I'm asking if they know what they actually want to do with those lands if they somehow managed to remove matzo.
>>12642 Same thing as the kikes probably, it's not like removing the nose niggers will suddenly mean the invading forces will start singing kumbaya and freeing the Palestinians. They all still fucking despise one another and will probably outright kill most remaining Palestinians while squabbling with one another over who gets the precious holy city.
>>12639 I mean, that almost happened during the Yom Kippur War. Then Kissinger not so subtly hinted to Nixon they were preparing to activate the Samson Option and he went about airlifting the entire output of the US military industrial complex to rescue Israel.
Looks like a slight flareup in the middle east It IS al jazeera so grain of salt lads. Archive seems to be down for me right now so if anyone can grab the archive it'd be nice. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/28/israeli-owned-cargo-docked-in-dubai-after-mysterious-explosion https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/28/saudi-arabia-intercepts-ballistic-missile-attack-over-riyadh tl;dr >Jews get an "mysterious explosion" on cargo ship, blames it on Iran >Sauds shoot down a few scuds launched by Houthis.
>>13695 When do the nations of the Middle East stop relying on foreign intervention and throw down in a conventional war?
>>13698 When they no longer have the option to rely on foreign intervention. I mean, would you do that, if you didn't have to, especially knowing how bad A-rabs are at making war?
>>13699 The Israelis seems pretty shit as well, so it would be gay all around. If only the Saudis weren't in the pocket of Israel we could have a three way nuclear standoff between them, Iran, and Tel Aviv.
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>>13695 There is also a civil war starting up in Ethiopia. >Ethiopia is basically the Yugoslavia of Africa, lots of semi-independent states lock together >Tigray is home of the Tigrayan people who are warriors'n'shiiet >the current head honcho started pushing for more centralization, Tigrayans didn't like that >last November he sent in the army to the capital of Tigray to smooth out things >Tigray is a mountainous area, and many Tigrayans serve in the army, so they predictably switched sides and retreated to the mountains >now the Ethiopian army and Amhara militias (an other ethnic group) are slaughtering civilians left and right >Eritrea is a traditional enemy of Ethiopia, and most of the population is also Tigrayan, but the dictator of Eritrea has beef with the Tigrayan party that turned into a de facto rebel government, and so he is supporting both sides and Eritrean soldiers also took the northernmost part of Tigray so that they too can join the fun and slaughter civilians >Tigray is often experiencing famine, and harvest is about to come, but there won't be anyone to do any harvesting >bonus: Sudan is angry at Ethiopia for building a dam on the Nile, therefore they are likely to support Tigrayans in the future I'm not expecting any groundbreaking new tactics and technologies coming out from this, but it certainly adds to the global level of violence.
>>13727 I thought that situation had resolved itself a while ago, did it heat back up again or it never really resolved itself?
>>13728 They cut all cables so we have no idea what is going on there exactly, other than what refugees pouring out from the region tell us. But based on their testimonies it's still going on.
>>13727 makes you wonder how haile selassie kept that shitshow running smoothly after the italians. I think african countries are accelerated versions of what happens in western nations when testing political experiments and so far the record seems to be an african nation without a Boss Nigger and the backing of a strong military just falls into civil war
>>13733 >accelerated versions of what happens in western nations I disagree. Social clime and culture play a large role in how society is structured. Most African nations are headed by strongmen and ruled by kleptocracies because that's simply what's done, and they pretty much know no other way, since it's been like that for the entirety of post-colonial Africa, and probably pre-colonial as well. Whether Africans are short-sighted by nature or necessity, is a matter of some conjecture, but they almost all live in the now, and this includes their governments. Western civ has plenty of examples to learn from as to how to structure itself. >selassie kept that shitshow running smoothly Smoothly is a matter of opinion. He was fighting with the Eritreans, dealing with famines, unrest, and even a coup or two. Though, they probably had it better than most of the rest of 'Frica. "Cvilized" Africa or not, I guess it's always still Africa.
>>13734 i'll cede to that the bigger question is whether it's possible to make a lasting government in a culture of low time preference or if the idea is inherently futile
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>>13736 >inherently futile If they keep doing things they way they are now, then nothing will ever change. It would take someone with a non-traditional vision (that is to say, not thinking of how much they can rob the country for while still maintaining a hold on power) with means and backing to oust the old, implement the new, and shake off the disruptive efforts of foreign powers who want the natural resources. It's possible. However, it is not probable. Just look at the 20th century Congo to see how history tends to repeat itself. Selassie kept it all together and isn't remembered as a total piece of shit like most African leaders, because he tried to modernize the country's infrastructure, and instituted educational reforms to boost literacy and have all the different groups speaking the same language. He wanted Ethiopians to be a strong people, though he brooked no dissent. You have to do something for the people, and the nation, in order to have a lasting state that's worth keeping, however, African leaders (and leaders-to-be) have realized that you just have to promise them something to get into power, and then, well, fuck 'em. The people have yet to learn this. Long story short, if you want to get a functional, long-lasting African state, then it needs to be run by non-Africans, or Africans who don't act like it.
>>12639 >and manage to effectively destroy the jewish state? The Bible makes it plain that will never happen for the remainder of this age. When it becomes absolutely imminent b/c the entire world is dragged there, then the end comes and Jesus Christ will put an end to current state of affairs. Israel is literally God's timepiece for prophecy. I'd suggest everyone get right with God.
>>13739 Mayne Britain should have never made the Balfour Declaration.
>>13734 Parts of Africa were civilized at some points, but generally when a part of Africa became more civilized they were quickly replaced by the plebs moving in for gibs. The gibs also neuter their economic sectors because an African farmer or tradesman can't compete with the free foreign aid that frequently bankrupts them. >but they almost all live in the now Most African societies do not have a concept of time. I don't mean that in a cultural way but in a literal "they do not have words to describe time" linguistic way. When they do have words for time, they are almost always loan-words from other cultures and are only used in the context of dealing with foreigners. Whether they are idiots and that's why time is a constant rather than dynamic or whether it's because their languages lacking words for time make them seem idiotic because they lack those core concepts is up for debate (there are very smart Africans and very stupid Africans after all, relative to their continent), but at the end of the day, many groups in Africa don't understand concepts like "later" or "in a few hours."
>>13743 I believe that our sense-of-time constructed by our mind in a way that analogous to space. That is why you can use many of them same words (e.g. before, after) to describe the relative position of objects in space and the relative timing of events. And this is also why people often describe time as a road or a river. Now, children don't have a good concept of time; and they also struggle to place objects in a 3D environment, therefore all of their drawings are strictly 2D. As they start growing up their sense of time develops and they also become better at thinking in 3D. We actually don't really need to think in 3D to survive in the wilderness: our subconscious brain already evolved to be a ballistic computer, our eyes are natural range finders, and so all the heavy lifting required to hit a moving target is hardwired into us. But if our ancestors evolved in an environment that requires a sense-of-time to survive, then it has to evolve hand-in-hand with our sense-of-space. If you've read Decline of the West from Spengler, you might remember how many pages he devoted to the simple fact that Western art is inherently 3D, and artist struggle to paint a picture of a man or object without a background that places it into a 3D environment, even when they are trying to imitate Graeco-Roman paintings that were just free-standing figures without any background. And indeed, he also goes on about how Greeks and Romans didn't perceive time the same way as we do. Now, even the Romans with their inferior sense-of-time could build an empire centred around the Mediterranean, and it lasted for a few centuries. But then the Romans weren't inherently stupid, and they did possess a sense-of-time, it was simply not as good as what the average European ended up with after the Migration Period and all those centuries filled with wars and famines and plagues that are our history. The Africans never had to deal with any of that, therefore most of them simply don't have good enough cognitive abilities to construct this sense-of-time, because their ancestors never needed it. You can of course find some who do posses them and they can construct time for themselves. But watch vid related and ask yourself: how rare they must be?
>>13745 Let's see if it goes through now.
>>13745 So they need eugenics.
>>13739 Or possibly clocks.
>>13750 Wouldn't literacy and numeracy be too advanced for some of them?
>>13757 >too advanced I doubt it. It's all about the approach. If you teach these things to very young children, anyone can learn to read and keep time. In Western societies, even the severely mentally retarded learn these things. The problem is that the elders and greater community don't value those things, so it would atrophy when not in school or being applied, if not being actively discouraged, like the proverbial crabs in a bucket. It's less about teaching the skills, and more about making sure they are reinforced and valued during the transition from youth to adulthood. >>13758 Fascinating. Also, I like how dude brings up that the Kenyan children don't pass the mirror test, but then handwaves it away with some reference to "their culture is different so whatever."
>>13760 Obviously their culture is so different, because the Kenyans themselves are genetically and mentally so different. Hardly even bears pointing this fact out, but the typical White has been so brainwashed by jewish corporate media all their lives that they literally have a psychological revulsion to suggesting different kinds of men are, you know, different.
>>13740 Maybe not, but it's done (and it was known in advance it would be done). Our task at hand is to acknowledge the reality of our situation and then do our best with a merry heart.
>>13760 >i thought that was a fake photo >checks >no, it isn't
>>13778 They really do believe that third world countries are filled with people just like us, except that don't have access to education and so they are stuck on the level of children. https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=Ll0GCPFpNQs
>>13778 >fake photo No sir. Their superstitions lead to all manner of wacky outcomes. Not sure who comes up with this shit, but cultural memories are long, and once it's in there, it seldom comes out. Such gems as: • Raping virgins/children cures AIDS • Albinos' bones have magic powers (worth killing them to harvest and sell) • Witches can transform into animals, such as goats, to steal penises from men • Bald men have gold inside their heads, which a clever man with a machete can get out • And many more. Call today and we'll get you the comprehensive Time/Life guide to African Superstitions, 6 lovely hardbound volumes, for only 5 easy payments of $49.95. Bringing it back around to topic, is it any wonder given their beliefs that warfare in Africa is an absolute shit-show? We've all read the thing about the rifle sights cranked up to 11, and that's easy to dismiss as just a joke, but it's sadly believable. During the Congo wars, there were factions on the pro-Kabila side who were sure that their bodies were blessed, and resistant to bullets (they weren't) , and went for headlong charges into machine gun fire. Absolutely unreal.
>>13790 Don't forget the stories of some witch doctor getting shot periodically when someone questions whether his anti-bullet charms work (or police letting known criminals go because they misinterpret their being shit marksmen as the criminal having anti-bullet charms from a witch doctor. Something like 85% of black police in South Africa believe in this superstition.
>>13778 There was a billboard telling niggers/sandniggers they could go to Europe instead where all the women were easily available for raping. Literally. Basically it looked like it was produced by the same low-tier 'PSA' group as these.
>>13792 Bullshit. I know globohomo's handmaidens are stupid, but they can't be THAT dumb.
>>13795 It exists. I don't have it on my current hard drives, but I know what anon is talking about.
>>13795 No, it was. Could hardly have been a more blatant symbol of the kike's agenda for the West. Unfortunately for them, the Internet is a thing. I'm sure that little 'tourism promotional' project was pretty quickly stopped for now. >>13796 Seems like I vaguely remember there being those little 3-wheel taxis in the photograph. Possibly wasn't Africa, but the ME ?
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>>13792 If you're thinking of this one, it's more political theater than real billboard, as it's a derivative of the second one posted in >>13778. I daresay it was crafted by a bitter Swede.
Anyways, back on top in regards to the samson option. Wouldn't that basically mean isreal is guaranteed to exist in perpetuity because they will just cause a glassing of any major nation that doesn't suck its dick? >video completely unrelated
>>13800 That billboard is still abstract reality
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>>13801 >connection failed fuck off you POS ISP
>>13803 It's not the ISP it's anon.cafe I've been having the same issue for a couple weeks now.
>>13802 Perhaps so, but that wasn't the assertion. Besides, I don't think the 'Fricans need a billboard to tell them where to go to rape. Seems they'll rape anywhere, if the other billboards are any indication.
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>>13801 I believe their ability to nuke other nations would depend on their ability to hurl them far. The doctrine behind the Samson Option seems to be aimed at keeping their more local neighbors at bay, since those states are the ones which they have historically had conflicts, aiming to assure them that if they somehow collapse Israel, they're going down as well. In the past they've claimed they'll "wipe out everything," but they, even at their hypothetical best, couldn't come close to hitting everyone with any significant impact. Their speculated inventory of nuclear weapons is posited to be anywhere from 50-400, with most purportedly in the tactical, or at least sub-megaton, yields. Their known delivery systems (Jericho 2 and 3 missiles) don't even exceed a maximum possible speculative range of over 11000km, but without carrying the max payload of around 1000kg. So, they can reach out and touch most of their immediate area, however, if, say... China wanted to start lobbing shit at them, they'd be hard-pressed to send anything significant to Beijing in reply. That is, unless they truly have a secret ICBM program that is competitive with the top performers in that area, which would in turn be very expensive, and relatively impractical overkill, given that most of their enemies are A-rabs in the regions within a few thousand kms of Jewistan. Also, it ought to be noted that the Israelis view the Samson Option as not limited to nuclear responses. Israel have chemical weapons capabilities, and they've been accidentally exposed a couple of times importing materials useful for pretty much only chemical weapons, though of course the extent to which they have built their arsenal is speculative. Speculation and rumor work well for them, as it keeps everyone guessing, and likely the numbers are on the low end of the estimates you'll find, because why have a fuckton of weapons, if you can just pay for a handful, and let everyone think you have 400 nukes, ready to roll?
>>13800 No that's not it. (and is an obvious shoop as well).
>>13790 > Bald men have gold inside their heads, which a clever man with a machete can get out Can we send Jeff Bezos to Africa?
>>13809 I'm convinced they have modern miniaturized thermonuclear weapons, and 300 kilotons, which is the standard size for strategic warheads now, will be more than enough to fuck up any city. If you're being really miserly about yield, it probably still only takes a 20kt warhead to destroy a city as a productive economic unit.
>>13820 Honestly just destroying supply lines to a city is enough to make most of them unusable.
>>13820 >miniaturized thermonuclear weapons Any particular reasons you are convinced of this?
>"However, Biden, who is a white CIS privileged male of the sort who has been bombed into oblivion since the advent of munitions, has thus far refused to make a statement about what he is doing to correct gender inequity in bombings, and has refused the people’s demands for mass bombing of women’s shelters and nunneries." REEEEEEEEEEEE When will we finally have bombing-equity for Syria!? Fuckin' Patriarchy! http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/joe-biden-is-a-cis-sexist-believes-women-too-fragile-to-die-in-his-bombings/ Andrew Anglin is such a cut-up.
>>13824 Just based on where they are in the technological food chain in general, I find it hard to believe that they don't have them. Everyone except for Pakistan and South Africa has/had some workable thermonuclear design. Considering that they've conducted live tests before, those would probably have been done to test (a) boosting or (b) a full on thermonuclear system mockup. This can be done with any small amount of fuel to prove the concept. Determining implosion systems now is just a simple matter of determining compression, and cold tests to compress inert material. You could probably think up a rough estimate of what is required for a 30 inch implosion system just based on the volume, weight, and effectiveness of different known explosives, as long as you know how much the Mk3 implosion system weighs. Which is pretty much common knowledge at this point. Announced tests are usually conducted to dick wave with another country, like India or Pakistan whom both possessed "deliverable" nuclear weapons in the 70s. The only reason for a secret test like the Vela Incident is when you DON'T want people to know and DON'T know if it will work. This lines up the vela incident pretty well with Israel conducting a thermonuclear system mockup test. South Africas entire policy was open deterrence so they would not have tested secretly. So at the very least they've tested some kind of weapon utilizing thermonuclear reactions. Miniaturization of non-fusion devices is just a matter of midwit engineering by now.
>>13871 What would they use it for, though?
>>13872 Use nukes for? I dunno cockwaving and scaring other nations.
>>13879 Or, maybe to, you know, blow lots of shit up in lots of places. Certainly would be useful for a classic decap move and whatnot.
>>13882 Conventional missiles are effective enough at that in modern times.
>>13871 It is my understanding that the vela incident was most likely a collaborative effort between Israel and South Africa. I mean, obviously neither will confirm, but I've read plenty on it, and that conclusion seems to tick all the boxes nicely. >>13882 If we're still talking Samson Option, it's most definitely more of a deterrent, but it would indeed have to work to be an effective deterrent.
>>13872 Qaddafi was deposed after he got rid of his nukes. Nukes are the only thing that keeps you from being invaded and subverted on a timescale of years rather than decades.
>>13871 >>13820 >miniaturized >30 inch Oh, that not what I was thinking when you were talking about when you said miniaturized. I thought you meant something like 300 kt "shoebox" nukes or something. Yeah I would expect Israel or any other modernized nuclear nation to have equally modernized nukes. >>13888 Didn't South Africa developer gun-type plutonium weapons?
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>>13895 >Didn't South Africa developer gun-type plutonium weapons? No. They did gun-type uranium weapons, lacking the means to procure significant quantities of plutonium. This is why it is speculated that Vela that it was a joint Israel/SA nuke test, as Israel had no problem getting their hands on nuclear materials. Their whole nuclear program was kind of a shit-show because nobody would work with them or supply them due to their damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't period of exile after the UN condemned apartheid, and the program fell to ruin (and was subsequently cancelled) a few years before SA knuckled under and abolished it. That said, then-president deKlerk said they held on to some "limited deterrent capability" in '89, but nothing's popped off since then, so it's entirely possible he was just saying that to imply they still had nuclear teeth..
>>13897 I think the apartheid government destroyed them before they lost power.
>>13895 >Oh, that not what I was thinking when you were talking about when you said miniaturized They probably got a little smaller than that, I would put the actual probably lower bound of their capabilities at 15-20inch, 250kg boosted warheads. Yield doesn't mean much because implosion systems are often re-used for yields in the hundreds of tons to hundreds of kilotons.
>>13906 That would seem prudent, given what could/would happen once South Africa "returned to its roots" and was still a nuclear state.
>>13912 Wouldn't that end the misery faster?
>>13915 I mean, this is all conjectural, so sure, I'd say it's on the table that they'd destroy themselves. Odds are, knowing the Way of All Things African they'd use it in a squabble with one of their neighbors, or it'd get absconded with by some general keen on becoming a warlord elsewhere, or merely sold to an existing African state for hefty sum by same. Most African regimes are propped up by paranoid strongmen who are eager to throw their weight around. Having a loose nuke floating out in that playground would be terrifying. Well, terrifying for the 'Fricans. Everyone else around the world would be getting the popcorn, and hoping for the payout of solid 4k HD footage of a nuclear detonation over some unfortunate Central African capital city.
>>13916 Radioactive AIDS sounds entertaining.
>>13916 >Well, terrifying for the 'Fricans. Everyone else around the world would be getting the popcorn, and hoping for the payout of solid 4k HD footage of a nuclear detonation over some unfortunate Central African capital city. Well until some Arabs end up buying or stealing the nukes, then it becomaes everyone's problem.
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>>13925 >>13925 I feel that if A-rabs were interested in buying or stealing a nuke, they'd go to Pakistan for that, even if an old South African bomb were on the loose somewhere down in the Dark Continent, unless it was remarkably easy. But if it were remarkably easy, there'd be an arms race by every militant political faction, small nation or non-state actor with enough muscle to try to claim it. Which would also likely be fun to watch. The world's wannabes versus Africa.
last non zogged countries on earth?
>>14876 The majority aren't, Anglo.
>>14882 I'm not anglo though
>Bidup: we'll leave the opium den on 9/11 instead of May 1st. https://archive.is/qu9V9 https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-afghanistan-taliban-d2c54073ce67f3b162c77b4f9f2f0ddd What did he mean by this? After the MIC blocked dup from trying the same?
>>14924 Simple. He extends it and by then something happens to force the troops to stay. Either Ukraine kicks off the world war or the Taliban ramp up attacks because the troops are obviously not leaving or both.
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>>14928 He's going to use the new skirmishes in Syria he's creating thinking this is still the 90s/early 2000s to justify keeping bases in Afghanistan for launching operations into other Middle Eastern countries. He'll likely use Ukraine as an excuse when the Taliban show in the age of the internet that they were never actually the bad guys past being religious fundamentalists/follow through more or less on their promises. I don't think the younger generations are willing to put up with it any more. Little desert campaigns are great for training your troops when you have money to spare and are generally approved of. When you are not approved of, especially by military veterans (especially when the military industrial complex is sucking your cock at the expense of enlistment), starting another war is a quick way to get your shit shut down or bankrupt the country. We were finally getting out of the fucking bomb shortages and now facilities like mine are getting told to produce almost ten times our normal orders for explosive components (while the parts haven't been produced since the 80s and we're using up the last storehouse stockpiles at twenty times their original price and too much red tape to modernize their stupid shit to fit it into a package 1/50th of the size). It makes me angry even though his actions keep me employed.
>>14935 >Little desert campaigns are great for training your troops It actually fucked us over pretty badly. We've been fighting sandniggers for so long that we've totally forgotten how to deal with a competent, well-equipped enemy.
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>>14937 I agree that it's fucked us over pretty bad, but that has more to do with specializing military equipment for arid/semi-arid mountainous terrain for the last 80 years and discouraging long-term retention in a voluntary army via stop-gap measures, fucking infantry out of military retirement 17-19 years and 11 months in, and veteran's welfare programs that encourage getting in and out in 4-6 years. The actual training in the ME is great if the goal is just making sure your soldiers aren't wet behind the ears (and so long as you aren't spending billions more on war than you have in your coffers).
>>14935 >using the first-person in describing anything this demon-infested golem thinks, says or does Just figured I'd point out this language is a fallacy. Every planned-action is scripted, and (laughably obviously) deepfake tech is being used constantly for his 'appearances', to help keep his own senility and gaffes at bay. >The more you know
>>14935 >while the parts haven't been produced since the 80s and we're using up the last storehouse stockpiles at twenty times their original price and too much red tape to modernize their stupid shit to fit it into a package 1/50th of the size Is the 90s Zeitgeist finally fucking over?
>>14940 Biden is just shorthand for "The Biden Administration." Every president has just been a figurehead for his administration. Throughout human history the figurehead is the one who gets both the glory for his accomplishments and the blame for his cockups. Personally I have an interest in seeing Biden's name smeared through the mud regardless of his senility or pulse as a means of smearing his legacy which older folks constantly call to when discussing the old fart, so I'll be referring to him in the first person when referring to his administration. Especially when in a negative light.
Perhaps put in another way, I know what you're alluding to and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's one, two, five, or a hundred guys fucking your wife in your bed, everyone with a pulse in that bed deserves buckshot.
>>14962 Imagine finding your wife having a necrophiliac orgy with a bunch of corpses
>>14961 Fair enough. No need to belabor the point. I'm simply bringing out that this regime, this junta, is pretty much Fake News: The so-called 'presidency' Also, if you consider what has just happened to the West through this usurpation "Business as Usual", then you might to look into the news over the past 6 months Strelok.
>>14967 >been under subversion since 1945 >this shit isn't to be expected Imagine thinking it all went wrong only in 2020.
>>14969 Well, you're right of course! T-totally nothing new here go...guys. Go back to sleep now, just doing our business as usual, right?
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>>14970 This is the future that was chosen. Sleepwalking towards armageddon. You're just awake.
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>>14970 His point isn't that nothing happened, his point it that it is happening for a long time in the USA and you only notice it now that it is so obvious.
>>14970 Sargon is a gay nigger cuck. he's right here but that doesnt make him less fucking aweful. < high dopamine smuckles
Americans need to fuck off from our board.
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>>14983 Whiter than you Ahmed.
>>14976 I doubt it, if you're referring to White Genocide. Once enough of us are murdered by these demons, I think purpose and then victory will re-emerge for us as a people. >>14977 >sauce: Anon's ass Quite clearly he's pointing out the immediate, current, obvious-and-hasn't-happened-since-1812 banana-republic-tier occupation by the military of the political halls of power in the US. Go read a book friend. >>14980 >he's right here Well, glad we've settled that then. >>14983 >our
>>14989 The sleepwalking part of it has been underway since the baby boomers were lulled into a false sense of security by the post-war prosperity. The active sedation already began in 1913, though.
>>14991 No real debates from me on any of these claims, Strelok. I'm simply asserting that """TPTP""" will not be able to entirely genocide the White race -- as their goal obviously is. We will both survive this, and then cast those shackles off forever as a people. The West is plainly doomed and will go into the pit now. Trump's choice not to invoke the Insurrection Act to prevent the Communist usurpation of the lawful authority of the United States was the penultimate pivotal point in this nation's history, and will soon result in it's utter demise. Good riddance, actually, if it's only to become a den of demons & vipers from here on out. While all the points you've made are true, the so-called 2020 POTUS 'election' was the actual final nail.
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>>14997 There has to be a death for there to be a resurrection.
>>14997 How are they communists? Social Democrats are 10x worse than communists. I'd prefer 10x there was a communism than whatever the fuck the west has now
>>15125 >How are they communists? Social Democrats are 10x worse than communists. Communism was born from Socialism. When the Utopism of Socialism fails, they double down and become Communist.
>The US leaves Afghanistan, this time fore real, honestly guys, it's not like the other times before. I wonder if they are doing this because they want those boots to be somewhere else.
>>15422 Wouldn't surprise me at all
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They aren't even trying to be subtle about wanting to stay. Afghan Blast on Eve of U.S. Pullout Deadline Kills at Least 27 https://archive.is/qdry8 If the blast was the work of the Taliban, as the Afghan government asserts, it would be the most overt signal yet that the peace deal is off. >KABUL, Afghanistan — On the eve of a symbolic date for America’s withdrawal from Afghanistan, a truck laden with explosives blew up outside a guesthouse south of the capital on Friday night, killing at least 27 people. >If the blast was the work of the Taliban — there was no immediate claim of responsibility, though the Afghan government quickly blamed the insurgents — it would be the most overt signal yet that the deal the Americans reached with the group at Doha in February 2020 is off. >A secret annex to that deal bars the Taliban from conducting suicide attacks, and they had been in sharp decline until Friday. Instead, the Taliban has maneuvered over the past year to test gray areas of the agreement, by carrying out, for example, targeted assassinations of journalists, officials and intellectuals. >But Friday night’s attack in Logar province, with its heavy toll, appeared to represent a deliberate shift in tactics. The driver of the truck blew himself up in an attack that also killed numerous students from rural areas who had been staying at the facility before university entrance exams, officials said. The guesthouse belonged to the family of a prominent member of the Afghan senate, himself recently assassinated by the Taliban. >Dozens of people were buried under the rubble of the obliterated guesthouse in the provincial capital of Pul-e Alam, about 40 miles south of Kabul, and over 100 more were wounded. >The blast occurred just before a May 1 deadline agreed to last year by the Taliban and U.S. officials that was aimed at ending America’s 20-year military presence in Afghanistan. >The U.S. scrapped the May 1 date two weeks ago when President Biden prolonged the American planned withdrawal until Sept. 11. That extension angered the Taliban, who vowed there would be consequences if the U.S. didn’t fully comply with the February 2020 deal. >The Taliban has often said that an American military presence after May 1 would represent a violation of the Doha agreement, and has threatened to attack U.S. forces in response. >A Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said on Twitter on Saturday that “this violation in principle has opened the way” for his side’s forces “to take every counter-action it deems appropriate against the occupying forces.” >The Taliban’s own website made no mention of the blast in Pul-e Alam Saturday, merely saying that “7 puppets were killed when Mujahideen raided an enemy post” there — “puppets” being the group’s preferred term for government troops. >The Afghan government, ever eager to portray the Taliban as faithless to the group’s agreement with the Americans, lost no time Saturday in pinning the blame on the Islamist insurgent group. >The blast occurred just as Afghans were breaking their daylong Ramadan fast. The driver of the truck apparently pulled up to the guesthouse, officials said, claiming to bring supplies for the breaking of the fast. >Just as he did so, the truck exploded, bringing down the roof and destroying the building. Photographs on the Tolo News website showed rescuers searching the rubble in the dark for survivors. >In another sign of faltering government resistance and of the Taliban’s steady encroachment on Afghan cities, the insurgents overran an army base at the edge of the provincial capital of Ghazni on Friday night, capturing 25 soldiers. >Also Saturday, in the south, at Kandahar Airfield, a sprawling facility where a small contingent of NATO and American forces were dismantling what remains of their base there, the Taliban ushered in May 1 with an early afternoon rocket attack. >The U.S. military responded immediately to the rocket attack with an airstrike on a Taliban position, a Defense official said. God fucking damn it. America can't even afford this on credit any more. We're gonna be Venezuela-tier by the end of the decade.
>>15427 Is US involvement in Afghanistan a demonic variant of the Assad curse?
>>15453 The US is demonic
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56966473 https://archive.is/aV5xk >Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned of "huge consequences" of President Joe Biden's decision to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan. >Mrs Clinton told CNN there was a risk the Taliban - the Islamist group ousted in 2001 by the US-led invasion - could retake control. >The US aims to complete the withdrawal by 11 September. >However, the Taliban have been carrying out more attacks. >"This is what we call a wicked problem," Mrs Clinton told CNN. "There are consequences both foreseen and unintended of staying and of leaving," she said. They aren't even trying. Either they won't leave or the MIC is gonna send boots elsewhere Burma/Syria is my bet, maybe Armenia
The US has deployed more assets to Afghanistan, to support the withdrawal. I'm not sure how exactly F-18s and B-52s will help load troops and equipment onto cargo planes. personally, I would have thought that the process of moving troops out of a place would not involve moving more troops into that place.
>>15490 Anything that literal demonic golem is opposed to has to have some fundamental good to it, literally by definition. >"This is what we call a wicked problem," Mrs Clinton told CNN. The ironykekery.
>>15539 Well, you need to get them out somehow. Either you let them walk, or you get them some transportation, which requires people. No surprise here.
>>15539 America uses B-52s for cargo/vehicle/troop transportation, and they have the F-18s to protect the B-52s.
>>15544 >America uses B-52s for cargo/vehicle/troop transportation Pure horseshit. You plainly know very little about the Stratofortress, friend.
>>15544 Have you even ever looked at a B-52 in person? There is nowhere to carry anything but the limited crew and bomb payload.
>>15544 >F-18s to protect the B-52s From what?
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>the slightest possibility of reducing US presence in the Middle East >Israel-Palestine shit starts kicking off again
>>15490 Either the USA leaves Afghanistan and it becomes a second Vietnam or they stay in Afghanistan and it stays a deadly quagmire for the USA until they face the fact that they don't get rid of the Taliban without a genocide. >>15539 This has been a problem for the USA since World War 2. They send so much stuff into their warzones that they have a problem to take all that stuff home, not just because transportation is so expensive but because the moment the material hits home soil it is devaluing prices in their own industry. Why buy a new car, if you can buy a used vehicle from the military? Why buy a new gun, if the military is looking for a way to sell millions of guns? etc. If its just a small war, they try to sell or dump all that material on the locals or try to ship it to a new warzone. The problem come if was a bigger war, the last time they tried to dump so much material on locals they created ISIS and they don't want to do that in Afghanistan because it would make them look like the greatest retard on the planet.
>Our first 'Qibla' is burning, Our Mosque where Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had prayed is burning. My heart is severely aching, can't do anything from here except praying for Aqsa & Palestinians. May Allah protect Muslims. May He destory Israel! #AlAqsaUnderAttack #FreePalestine https://web.archive.org/web/20210511141818/https://twitter.com/SalmanNizami_/status/1391845501687848962
>>15648 >Benji on the cusp of losing power >Better reignite a race war Makes sense, he wants to drive a wedge between Arab parties and Jewish ones so the opposition has no chance of standing against him. Especially since this happened right after Netanyahu lost the chance to form a new government.
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Anyone asked for happenings?
>>15665 I thought the roach king was going for better relations with Israel? Is it his destiny to fuck up his country's standing with every country in the world?
I hope this escalates. Biden's sudden recognition of armenian genocide by its NATO ally makes me wonder if Israel's attacks were coordinated in Washington.
>>15666 Roach king is still the leader of an islamistic political party.
>>15665 Rooting for the muzzies
>>15675 This must be the best looking war in years, visually speaking.
>>15675 >>15679 It's a shame to see US tax dollars, assets, and other assistance at work, helping shoot down so many of those rockets. it does look pretty though.
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Reports Iron Dome may already be running out of interceptors. Spoilered three images because they might be too politics-leaning for /k/.
>>15686 Nothing "impenetrable" about that guy
>>15686 >Iron dome running out of interceptors Not surprising when each interceptor missile is fuckhuge and costs $20k-$100k per missile, while the missiles they're intercepting are literal fertilizer-sugar tubes welded together that can be produced for like $100 a pop by the thousands. Ironically enough Israel's reliance on state-of-the-art defensive technology will likely be their downfall when they either run out of defensive missiles or Hamas manages to get enough Qassam turds in the air to figure out the numerical limitations of the iron dome and just overwhelm it to achieve the same results. From what I understand Israelis shit themselves every time one of the low-tech rockets get through and start calling up their local politicians to kvetch about the shoah.
And in true Israeli fashion, Hamas is claiming they launched maybe around a hundred rockets while the IDF is claiming to have shot down over 800.
Holy fuck there's the beginnings of a race war in Israel. Do you reckon this will last, or will it end up a nothingburger like the American riots in 2020?
>>15698 >beginnings Strelok, this isn't even the beginning of getting photos of the bombardments of this race war. Incidentally, the 1948 war had some really odd clashes, like RAF Spitfires being attacked by Israeli Spitfires that mistook them for Egyptian Spitfires.
>>15700 The fact that the Israelis managed to abuse the ceasefire to hire and funnel in mercenaries under the promise of citizenship/land in order to win part one still leaves a sour taste in most Arabs' mouths. >>15698 Did something new happen or is it just time to hype the same Israeli-Palestinian conflicts that have been ongoing for almost 3/4ths of a century?
>>15701 Well I've heard that Hezbollah may have joined the fight.
>>15702 From what I read, Hezbollah is denying any involvement in those three rockets launched out of Lebanon.
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>>15686 >the lovers of triggers and rockets hasn't even begun to fight
>Israel just blew up the regional offices of the Associated Press and al-Jazeera, with advance warning that they were being targeted Isn't deliberately targeting journalists against international law? Israel's literally telling the media that they're committing premeditated war crimes against them.
>>15744 Who are the media going to call? Themselves? Oh wait, their office is blown up! Expecting liberal democratic norms to be systemically innate and not a elaborate facade, selectively enforced for those in power is the biggest lie ever sold to the public. When the shit hits the fan, authority puts constitutions in the shredder, and if you're stupid enough to have based your entire world around sucking up to them with concession, tough luck getting in their way.
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>>15744 It's very much a violation of international law. It gets better because the Israeli military intentionally leaked information that they were sending ground troops into Gaza a few days prior to drive Hamas into their underground tunnels in order to launch a mass airstrike on those tunnels before "apologizing" for the "mistatement" a few hours later (not illegal but considered extremely ethically wrong by the international community). Israel knows exactly what they're doing. They have their golem USA protecting them from any sort of international court as America has done for the last fifty years whenever Israel commits international crimes (especially war crimes). It will be interesting to see what Israel does as the US military becomes increasingly irrelevant outside of northern Pacific and South African waters and Israel's greatest allies (Republicans) continue to be more and more preoccupied with the home front to actually give a shit about international issues. Israel will get away with their bullshit today, but I think even Bibi is realizing that America won't be able to protect them from Arabs for more than a decade tops so he's moving in for a killing blow so that Israel doesn't have to rely on Americans any more. Once more the captcha bug makes it impossible to post images, so have a randomly attached low-filesize image instead.
>>15746 You are right but also fail to see the importance of gentlemen's agreements. Israel doesn't honor these because their golem lets them rampage like a small child, but for the most part a lot of those international treatise are meant to consolidate power in a MAD-like format (not MAD for the world, but MAD for the power platforms of leaders; see the defensive nukes discussion in the nuke thread). When leaders don't abide by those international rules, they usually get deposed fairly quickly. You're seeing countries around the world begin to ignore these international laws because the enforcer (America) no longer has the power to enforce them, but has systematically changed what is considered an international crime through their selective enforcement (the source of the Russian-American rift). Once America is in ita death throes and there is a (likely temporary) consensus of countries making up superpower status, we'll see a return of gentlemen's agreements mattering since it will be a pseudo bottom-up structure instead of the current top-down one (neither Russia nor China have the economic output to play world police by themselves or between the two of them, even if they potentially have the military output. I imagine Russia, the UK, Germany, Japan, and a weakened America more as a figurehead will make up the next batch of international courts following the next world war or at least international breakdown that should kick off within our lifetimes).
>>15747 > It will be interesting to see what Israel does as the US military becomes increasingly irrelevant outside of northern Pacific and South African waters and Israel's greatest allies (Republicans) continue to be more and more preoccupied with the home front to actually give a shit about international issues. Does USCENTCOM do much except defend the nucleus of subterfuge?
>>15749 As in most cases of US command, CENTCOM actually does provide piracy defense and deterrence for that section of the world (the only reason other countries have never bothered expanding their navies or coastguard in the region), but otherwise their sole mission in the region has always been defending Israeli interests.
>>15750 Yes, piracy defense in support of Gulf oil which has aligned itself with Israel; I suppose they do protect the Suez from Somalian pirates but they've proven to be incapable of solving the problem since Mogadishu.
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Meanwhile, on /leftypol/
>>15752 At least in the corners of the earth, rational individuals and subhumans can come together on the internet and all shout "fuck Israel" in unison regardless of their thoughts on Arabs, Jews, democracy, or anything else.
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>>15752 >LGBT: Let's Go Bomb Tel-Aviv
>>15753 A beautiful think isn't it?
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>>15757 That was exactly what I thought of when I read that, but didn't have the it saved.
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>>15752 Won't need to bomb Tel-Aviv when the Arabs are roiting Kristallnachting on the Isreali business.
In traditional Israeli fashion, the Israelis are insisting they provided America with evidence of Hamas involvement in the media buildings while the US Secretary of State is insisting he hasn't heard jack shit about evidence clearing Israel's name. >>15776 Kristallnacht was a flub that ultimately damaged the party and more importantly the ratios are skewed with only 20% of the population being Arab. Unless you include the 50% of Israel's population locked inside an open-air prison anyways.
What are the actual odds of Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman autism actually getting involved in Israel? Or is he just puffing hot air to piss everyone off again?
>>15787 If he gets nuked, who wins?
>>15789 The world.
>>15790 As long as the nukes only hit Ankara. It'd be a catastrophe to lose Constantinople.
>>15791 put all the ABMs around Constantinople and have chief roach hide in Ankara
>>15792 Where are the roach military bases? I can't imagine anyone nuking them would be so nuts as to just pull a countervalue strike just to spank Erdogan.
>>15780 >In traditional Israeli fashion, the Israelis are insisting they provided America with evidence of Hamas involvement in the media buildings while the US Secretary of State is insisting he hasn't heard jack shit about evidence clearing Israel's name. Did they forget who's currently president of the US or something?
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>>15794 Apparently these were the bases NATO had operations in in 2016 before Erdogan started playing sultan.
>>15796 Hm, are they all run by the Torks now, then? Also, it's hard to believe that Erdogan has been in power for nearly 20 years, especially given his track record.
>>15797 >Hm, are they all run by the Torks now, then? In or out of the country? The Turks are building their bases in the Libyan and Somalian coast, they already have bases in Qatar, Lennon and Azerbaijan due to defense agreements. That should give you an idea where the torks are.
Apparently Hamas has accepted a ceasefire proposal from Egypt for 3AM but Israel hasn't responded as they insist on "finishing" their current operations.
>>15804 No surprises there. America has been stalling all weekend and still can't come up with a good excuse to justify Israeli support (but damn are they trying and pulling every Jewish trick out of the book). Biden has been quoted on the books joking about the conflict, and a letter that was supposed to condemn the current attacks and demand a hold on an Israeli weapons deal was called off at the last minute. Seems like white house staffers (all the young new ones) are becoming jaded upon realizing they're expected to tow the party line like their predecessors they replaced. God damn I'm getting sick of these bootlickers. I wouldn't care if they were pro-Israel and couldn't influence anything, but it's a different story altogether when they're directly in charge of this shit and legitimately think they have the moral high ground and that Israel isn't an apartheid state. You'd think when pro-Israeli politicians are calling out their bullshit that the old farts would take two seconds to look over the details.
I wonder if we've reached the point to where the honeymoon is over between Israel and America? I can only hope so.
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>>15805 Speaking of which, Biden literally drove away when asked about Israel lately. While also making a comment that would have been plastered across every headline in the world if Orange Man had made it, but then again Zion Don wouldn't have tried to avoid the question in the first place. It does seem like there is more pressure than usual against simply obeying Israel's orders, but not enough to really change things yet.
Looks like Israel has agreed (on paper) to a ceasefire after noticing their golem has mixed feelings about providing them with military funding.
Canadian courts have ruled that Iran did not shoot down Flight PS752 accidentally. They ruled that the aircraft could not have been mistaken for a hostile target, and that it was a deliberate act of terrorism against a civilian target. As far as I know, no motive was suggested other than Iran being dastardly evil for the sake of evil.
>>15831 So what's Canada going to do about it? Exactly fuck and all I'm guessing other than just stirring the anthill.
>>15830 It's offical unless some dumbass breaks it now. It might not hold like Ukraine/Russia's first. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-57183127 https://archive.is/wip/er2m0 >A ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas has started >The truce came into effect 02:00 on Friday (23:00 GMT Thursday) >The Israeli cabinet confirmed the decision to approve a "mutual and unconditional" ceasefire hours beforehand
>>15833 >It's offical unless some dumbass breaks it now. I'm guessing either Israel will try to fit in one last glowniggering and it ruins the whole thing or some angry Palestinians will riot over all the shit that's been gong on for two weeks or some rogue faction of Hamas will try to make one last strike.
>>15834 >>15833 Looks like it's Israel gloating by ramping up "peacekeeping" efforts at the mosque that started this whole mess. As expected, American news media is trying to spin it as the Arabs protesting Hamas signing a ceasefire when the reality is that Israel has never stopped peacekeeping efforts in the area and in this case it wasn't riots but people celebrating in the streets over the signing of a ceasefire which they are referring to as "riots" from what I've been able to gather in order to put down celebrations.
>>15858 Can they just have their race war already?
In other Middle East news, it turns out Canada's former ambassador to Israel works for an Israeli intelligence service, and was almost certainly hired while she actually held that post.
>>15868 Strange, it's almost as if Hitler was right about the jews.
>>15868 It's a private sector service so they won't hit her with treason even though they ought to. Doesn't matter since she's apparently lived in Israel since Trudeau booted her out of office.
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As Afghan Forces Crumble, an Air of Unreality Grips the Capital https://archive.is/K3V38 With the Taliban advancing and U.S. troops leaving, President Ashraf Ghani and his aides have become increasingly insular, and Kabul is slipping into shock. >KABUL, Afghanistan — With his military crumbling, President Ashraf Ghani of Afghanistan fired a crucial part of his command structure and brought in a new one. He created a nebulous “supreme state council,” announced months ago, that has hardly met. And as districts fall to the Taliban across the country, he has installed a giant picture of himself outside the airport’s domestic terminal. >On Friday, U.S. officials announced the definitive closure of Bagram Air Base, the nerve center of 20 years of American military operations in Afghanistan, in the functional end of the American war here. As the last troops and equipment trickle out of Afghanistan, an atmosphere of unreality has settled over the government and Kabul, the capital. >Americans have not been a visible presence in the city for years, so the U.S. departure has not affected surface normality: Markets bustle and streets are jammed with homeward-bound civil servants by midafternoon. At night, the corner bakeries continue to be illuminated by a single bulb as vendors sell late into the evening. >“There’s no hope for the future,” said Zubair Ahmad, 23, who runs a grocery store on one of the Khair Khana neighborhood’s main boulevards. “Afghans are leaving the country. I don’t know whether I am going to be safe 10 minutes from now.” >The government passport office has been jam-packed in recent days, filled with a jostling mob, even though visa options for Afghans are severely limited. Some of the humanitarian organizations on which the beleaguered citizenry depend said they would begin limiting the number of expatriate employees kept in the country, anticipating a worsening of the security climate. >The roots of the current breakdown within Mr. Ghani’s administration are threefold, officials and security experts say: the delusion of security provided by the Americans, whose determination to leave was never fully believed by civilian or military leadership; the tactical disconnect between conventional Afghan forces and the more nimble guerrilla Taliban; and the reduction of the government to the person of Mr. Ghani himself and a handful of aides, foreign-educated, some with families safely abroad. >“They didn’t have a strategic plan for when the Americans leave,” said Gen. Hilaluddin Hilal, a former deputy defense minister. >In some places, government forces are surrendering without a fight, often because they have run out of ammunition and the government doesn’t send more supplies or reinforcements. >It is a lesson painfully inflicted, but barely learned, in over two centuries of warfare in Afghanistan. “We see history repeating itself in this country: A proxy insurgency is coming from rural areas to take power,” Mr. Asey said. >Yet the government seems detached from the onslaught on its soldiers and citizens. In the wealthier neighborhoods of Kabul, a frequent high-stakes poker game, with as much as $120,000 on the table, includes government officials, several people who have observed the game told The New York Times. At least one observer said he had seen people in positions of responsibility at the game, which he deplored as misguided at a time of national crisis. >Not a single official showed up last month to a memorial for the nearly 70 schoolgirls who were killed a suicide bombing attack in Kabul in May. >Public pronouncements are largely limited to ringing denunciations of the Taliban and vows to defeat them, with no hint as to how the government intends to do so. As a result, Afghanistan’s citizens are in the dark, worried, and rapidly losing whatever confidence they may once have had in Mr. Ghani. >“There is no response. They don’t have a counteroffensive strategy,” said Mr. Asey, the former deputy defense minister. “Nobody knows what it is.” >After the capture in mid-June of an army base at Andar, in Ghazni Province south of Kabul, a provincial council member noted that the besieged fighters had begged for help. “No one heard their voice,” said the council member, Amanullah Kamrani. The soldiers were all but abandoned to the Taliban. Five were killed and the rest surrendered. >Inside the presidential palace, Mr. Ghani has continued to isolate himself. >Several former aides criticized the president’s reliance on a tiny circle of Western-educated advisers. They noted that cabinet members were afraid to contradict him because of his tendency to yell at them. >“He is the republic,” said Mr. Zakhilwal, the former finance minister. “The government is two, three, four faces.” >"A soldier sitting there, watching, asks, ‘Should I sacrifice my life?’” he added. “That’s why we are seeing soldiers surrendering across Afghanistan.”
Bagram Air Base given to the Afghan military while it collapses in the face of the Taliban. https://web.archive.org/web/20210702083814/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57692303
>>16909 I laughed when they mentioned looters were already on-site before the Afghan military could even secure it. Apparently it was an old soviet air base in a region no one wanted until the Americans decided it had strategic value.
What are the nigs doing in south africa?
>>16924 Nigging? Nogging? Nignogging?
>>16926 I've heard that they are going towards a civil war or something.
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Taliban to dictate the terms of peace next month: EXCLUSIVE: Taliban aim to present written peace plan at talks as soon as next month >The Taliban plan to present a written peace proposal to the Afghan government side as soon as next month, a spokesman for the Islamist insurgents said even as they make major territorial gains in the breach left by departing foreign forces. >Hundreds of Afghan security force members have fled into neighbouring Tajikistan in the face of Taliban advances since the United States vacated its main Afghan base, centrepiece of U.S. and NATO might for almost two decades in the country, as part of a plan to withdraw all foreign troops by Sept. 11. >While the transfer of Bagram Air Base to the Afghan army added momentum to a Taliban drive to seize control over new districts, Taliban leaders renewed the long stalled talks with Afghan government envoys in Qatar's capital Doha last week. >"The peace talks and process will be accelerated in the coming days ... and they are expected to enter an important stage, naturally it will be about peace plans," Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid told Reuters on Monday. >"Possibly it will take a month to reach that stage when both sides will share their written peace plan," he said, adding that the latest round of talks were at a critical juncture. >"Although we (Taliban) have the upper hand on the battlefield, we are very serious about talks and dialogue." >The upsurge in fighting and the flight of thousands of members of the tattered Afghan security forces have raised grave doubt about the U.S.-backed peace negotiations, which began last year under the then-President Donald Trump's administration. >Responding to a request for comment on the Taliban representative's remarks, a spokesperson for the U.S. State Department said a negotiated settlement was the only way to end 40 years of war in Afghanistan. >"We urge the sides to engage in serious negotiations to determine a political roadmap for Afghanistan’s future that leads to a just and durable settlement, the official said. >"The world will not accept the imposition by force of a government in Afghanistan," the official added. "Legitimacy and assistance for any Afghan government can only be possible if that government has a basic respect for human rights." >TALIBAN ADVANCES ON THE GROUND >Western security officials said insurgent forces have captured more than 100 districts but the Taliban say they have control of more than 200 districts in 34 provinces comprising over half the Central Asian country. >On Sunday, more than 1,000 Afghan security personnel retreated across the northern border into Tajikistan after Taliban advances, the Tajik border guard service said, while dozens of others were captured by the insurgents. >Diplomats overseeing the intra-Afghan talks have repeatedly sought neighbouring Pakistan's help to convince Taliban leaders to offer a written peace plan even if it took a maximalist line, such as the restoration of hardline Islamist rule reminiscent of the group's 1996-2001 period in power. >Last month the European Union's special envoy for Afghanistan, Tomas Niklasson, said time was running out and that a written proposal would be a sign of successful Pakistani leverage over the Taliban. >Najia Anwari, spokesperson for Afghanistan's Ministry for Peace Affairs, confirmed that intra-Afghan talks had resumed and said its representatives were "very happy" that Taliban envoys were rejecting the process outright. >"It is difficult to anticipate that the Taliban will provide us with their written document of a peace plan in a month but let's be positive. We hope they present (it) so as to understand what they want," said Anwari. >Last month the head of Afghanistan's official peace council called for the long halting talks on a settlement to decades of devastating violence should not be abandoned despite surging Taliban attacks - unless the insurgents themselves pulled out. >Last week U.S. forces vacated Bagram Air Base as part of an understanding with the Taliban, against whom it has fought since ousting the radical Islamist movement from power after the Sept. 11, 2001 al Qaeda attacks on the United States. https://archive.is/hUhIS https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-taliban-aim-present-written-peace-plan-talks-soon-next-month-spokesman-2021-07-05/
>>17003 What will happen after the Taliban take over and successfully institute their laws? I imagine chinks will come in to do business with them, but I can't see some Überjihad that will destroy Israel or anything really impactful.
>>17004 Opiate business will take an interesting turn, South Asia got ISIS out of nowhere after the flips decided they wouldn't do it anymore. Mexico is going to have some more cartel violence or Cuba will become the new mecca of drug crops (again), the whole beef from the West against Afghanistan started when the Taliban prohibited farmers from growing it.
>>17004 This time I think they're smart enough to keep the Afghan government in Kabul hostage and basically serve as an embassy to look "civilized" to the rest of the world as instead of shooting them they'll have them sign a peace of paper giving them control of the rest of the country, and that makes all the difference. Like the position of the Japanese emperor during the Shogunate.
>>17005 The Taliban banned opiates the last time they were in charge and there was a 100 year low on opiate exports while they were at the helm, so I'm curious on that front as well.
>>17007 Doesn't the pharma industry have synthetic opioids these days?
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Ship exploded in Dubai. Cause unknown.
>>17038 That's not a "Oh a fuel leak ignited" type thing. -Cultural enrichment -Glownigger gayops
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Russia vows support for Tajikistan in case of attack from Afghan border Moscow and Dushanbe are allies under the Collective Security Treaty, the Russian foreign minister noted. "If Tajikistan is attacked, this will, of course, be a subject of an immediate discussion in the CSTO," Sergey Lavrov said >VLADIVOSTOK, July 8. /TASS/. In the event of an attack on Tajikistan from the border with Afghanistan, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) would urgently convene, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov vowed during his lecture at the Far Eastern Federal University on Russia’s international activity for developing Russian regions on Thursday. >"If Tajikistan is attacked, this will, of course, be a subject of an immediate discussion in the CSTO," Russia’s top diplomat assured. >Moscow and Dushanbe are allies under the Collective Security Treaty, and Russia has a military base in Tajikistan, Lavrov mentioned. >"So, we will, of course, honor our commitments," he stressed. >The press center of the Border Guard Troops of Tajikistan’s State Committee for National Security reported on Monday that more than 1,000 Afghan troops had retreated to Tajikistan after clashes with the Taliban (outlawed in Russia). Afghan troops have had to retreat to Tajikistan’s territory several times over the past two weeks. >CSTO Secretary General Stanislav Zas earlier said that the situation in Afghanistan’s northern regions was deteriorating, and was a cause for the organization’s serious concern. According to Zas, it is essential to furnish assistance to Tajikistan in ensuring the security of the southern border. On July 1, the CSTO Parliamentary Assembly Council issued a statement expressing concern about the situation in Afghanistan, and urged all political forces in that country to facilitate the peace process. https://web.archive.org/web/20210708151837/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahw1qucfyj1MJ%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftass.com%2Fpolitics%2F1311807
>>17065 What do the Taliban have to gain from attacking Tajikistan??
>>17080 I'm looking into it, but all I can find is that the Taliban is having the Afghani government workers at the border continue their work, they've just cracked down on bribery (which was rampant) and are collecting customs profits for themselves instead of it going to the Kabuul government. Really the only reason the Tajiks have to hate the Taliban is that said border crossing was one of the main drug running locations from Afghanistan to Russia, and the Taliban, being a theocratic organization, can't be bribed as easily. Everything I read says the Taliban are the least corrupt group in the region and are just interested in self-sovereignty and theocratic rule similar to Iran's government. Assuming the Tajiks aren't just butthurt about being unable to smuggle drugs, I'm guessing it's similar to the India-Myanmar situation where it's mostly posturing to make sure insurgents and militias understand they can't be fucking around in other countries when refugees start crossing the border after the fighting begins.
Oh right, also the border politicians and merchants are happy that the Taliban is in charge because the Afghani government was demanding outrageous bribes to cross the border, whereas the Taliban wants the trade and are happy to just get the customs fees as payment.
BREAKING: President Joe Biden says the U.S. military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on Aug. 31, ending a nearly 20-year mission. https://web.archive.org/web/20210708183058/https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-afghanistan-government-and-politics-86f939c746c7bc56bb9f11f095a95366
>>17086 >“We did not go to Afghanistan to nation build,” Biden said in a speech to update his administration’s ongoing efforts to wind down the U.S. war. “Afghan leaders have to come together and drive toward a future.”
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>>17084 >local Afghani mujahideen are less corrupt and more efficient/honest administrators than an epic democratic puppet government funded and propped up by NATO for 20 years with billions of dollars And people still think 9/11 was an outside job.
Found the reason behind Tajik actions. Tajiks are the wealthiest group in Afghanistan and make up something like a quarter of people in cities where the (US-backed) Afghani government is in charge. Their elite are basically the oligarchs of Afghanistan and do mot benefit from Taliban rule, hence some of the border hostilities.
>>17087 >we came here to fuck shit up and that's about it <country will get overrun by taliban within 3 months of burgers leaving <absolutely nothing will have been accomplished dog bles
>>17092 They did accomplish something: now I'm sympathetic with the Taliban. Sure, they are Moslem scum, but they just want good for their people and if we ignore the baggage that is Islam then they don't seem to be that bad of a choice to run the place.
>>17092 To be fair there's nothing America could do in Afghanistan that would fix the PR disaster the chucklefucks in the military allowed to happen. Every veteran and contractor I've met who worked in Afghanistan says that the soldiers had a grand old time raping and pillaging while touting the "win hearts and minds" bullshit propping up local warlords that even the American soldiers hated. Nothing short of genocide would have allowed America to "win" that war and people knew it by the time King Nigger entered office.
>>17092 >>17094 You can't build a nation when your own nation's been hollowed out by your (((greatest ally))).
>>17095 Making the Belgians look good in terms of dealing with the locals in invaded countries is tough as hell but there we go, Americans in the Middle East.
>>17094 >To be fair there's nothing America could do in Afghanistan I read a book, Warrior Diplomat, written by a green beret (Michael Waltz) who served in Afghanistan and worked in USAID throughout the time period and that about sums it up right there. But it fails to capture just how truly hopelessly moronic the situation was. It's been a while since I've opened it up so this may not be 100% accurate but is should still on point. Here's some juicy bits: >every involved country had their own chain of command and rules of engagement >this led to some humorous moments such as a Dutch helicopter (I think) not being allowed to help when U.S. troops came under fire because the aircraft is not being shot at and thus is not allowed to fire back under their ROE >another incident with the Dutch was when 2 APC's and their accompanying infantry needed to get permission from the Hague to usefully participate in an operation >Waltz one night had a few drinks with a French officer who claimed that French involvement was nothing more than a political token and they were nothing but pawns on the chessboard >Waltz then realized this is what most non-U.S. involvement boiled down to, send a few troops over to earn political favor while reserving much needed assets. >the majority of European countries involved were not prepared to fight a war away from home and lacked many modern communication/location devices >NGO's being neutral refused to even tell any military force where they had projects being built to the point that a U.S. lieutenant had to go track them down like they were bigfoot; during the journey he survived his vehicle being blown out from under him twice >the military lacked any civilian professional expertise that was sorely needed, such as hydrologist's, and could not do much for the people destroying their confidence in foreign forces >pakistan had many high ranking officers in support of the taliban and so pakistan was one of their major supplier's while the U.S. was giving them money >pakistan also had strong leverage as they were the only way into the country by road the U.S. was willing to use >cross border artillery dueling between ANA and pakistan forces was not uncommon and they continually fed the taliban with information on troop movements >Waltz made a point that an insurgency that had safe harbor in a neighboring nation was nigh impossible to defeat >the afghan gov't were pushing for the ANA to take a bigger role in night time raids and operations but whenever non-combatants got killed by ANA troops, foreign troops took the blame from the afghan gov't >even foreign troops weren't free from ANA bribery >whenever taliban were taken prisoners they always managed to muck up the legal system and screw over troops by feigning abuse, it was so prevalent that Waltz went out of his way to deploy a military lawyer into his cadre just to handle these cases >and he mourned for those that did not have such a luxury >the U.S. created its own catch 22 situation: >they refused troops to take light vehicles into mountain villages due to IED threats >these villages were only accessible by light vehicles >by not having any presence there the taliban were free to move in >this made the IED problems worse and the cycle continued >when Waltz was working for USAID he wanted to meet with the CIA to ask a few questions about a simple, innocuous topic. The CIA showed up with a team of lawyers and what few answers he got were only one word >his coworker laughed at him for his naivety afterwards Some of this is obvious but I always find it hilarious just how inept this whole war was despite being there since around 1998 .
>>17103 Sounds like a recipe for collapse.
>>17103 Did the Krauts do anything funny?
>>17103 >expecting answers from CIA >ever Was he mentally disabled?
>>17119 The CIA love talking about themselves since they're all narcissist. Especially women in the CIA. The CIA just hates the military specifically.
https://archive.is/wip/FfWc1 >Russia Says Ready to Activate Tajik Military Base Amid U.S. Pullout, Taliban Advance in Afghanistan >Russia is prepared to activate a military base in ex-Soviet Tajikistan against advancing Taliban forces on its southern border as U.S. troops finalize their pullout from neighboring Afghanistan, its top diplomat said Wednesday. >Tajikistan is host to more than 6,000 Russian servicemen deployed to the Russian Ground Forces’ 201st military base, one of Russia's few military sites on foreign soil. More than 1,000 Afghan government troops were reported to have fled north into Tajikistan this week as hardline Islamist group the Taliban seized dozens of districts in the past two months. >“We’ll do everything, including using the capabilities of the Russian military base on the border of Tajikistan with Afghanistan, to prevent any aggressive encroachments against our allies,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said. >Tajikistan is a member of a loose Moscow-led security alliance of several ex-Soviet states known as the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). >Lavrov, who was speaking during his visit to Laos, said Russia’s obligations under the CSTO “remain fully in force.” He added that CSTO representatives had visited the Tajik-Afghan border to report the situation on the ground to the main office. >“The situation is rapidly deteriorating, including in the context of the hasty withdrawal of American and other NATO troops, who over their decades of their stay in this country have not achieved visible results in terms of stabilizing the situation there,” TASS quoted him as saying. >Last year, the United States accused Russia of offering the Taliban bounties to kill American troops in Afghanistan. Moscow, which has hosted Taliban delegates for a series of talks attempting to mediate peace with the Afghan government, has denied the claim. >Russia and Tajikistan have staged military exercises along the 1,400-kilometer Tajik-Afghan border in recent years amid the risk of an incursion by Islamist extremists. >Tajikistan is also among the world’s most remittance-dependent countries, with millions of its migrant workers in Russia sending around 30% of its entire GDP back home. >The Taliban is a terrorist organization banned in Russia. Is this just posturing or is there something deeper going on?
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>all those Taliban gainz Ghani is screwed. Is there anyone willing to take him in as part of a government-in-exile?
>>17167 >Ghani >Before returning to Afghanistan in 2002, Ghani was a professor of anthropology at numerous institutions (mostly Johns Hopkins University), and later started working with the World Bank. As the Finance Minister of Afghanistan between July 2002 and December 2004, he led Afghanistan's attempted economic recovery after the collapse of the Taliban government. >He is the co-founder of the Institute for State Effectiveness, an organization set up in 2005 to improve the ability of states to serve their citizens. In 2005 he gave a TED talk, in which he discussed how to rebuild a broken state such as Afghanistan.[2] He is a member of the Commission on Legal Empowerment of the Poor, an independent initiative hosted by the United Nations Development Programme. In 2013 he was ranked 50th in an online poll to name the world's top 100 intellectuals conducted by Foreign Policy magazine and second in a similar poll run by Prospect magazine.[3] The prototypical Western educated elite: all talk and completely ineffective.
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>>17168 How in the absolute fuck does NATO manage to make the administration of Reichskommissariat Ukraine look good?
>>17168 >In 2005 he gave a TED talk, in which he discussed how to rebuild a broken state such as Afghanistan.
>>17167 >gainz How much of that is actual gains and how much of it is just the Taliban having been there all along without telling the Americans?
>>17172 They're Taliban gains, but only because the Americans were acting as security forces in many of those regions. The Taliban is sparing any soldier who surrenders, the Afghan government isn't properly resupplying their troops, everyone thinks Ghani is impotent, and in many case the Taliban are giving soldiers who surrender pocket change to go back home and durka durka on a farm or in an office. Soldiers are basically surrendering to the Taliban because they don't want to die for their corrupt Western government, and those who do want to fight can't get the supplies to do so. >>17168 The way the reports describe it, he's already shut down and just yells at anyone who brings him bad news so he's the leader, but he's both being fed bad information/no information and also unable to stabilize the situation. From the sounds of it, France and America are influencing his policies more than his own cabinet.
>>17175 >he's already shut down and just yells at anyone who brings him bad news so he's the leader All that university education, NGO backing, wining and dining with the globalist elite to get a pathetic old man that never realized in his native country respect isn't bought, it's earned.
>>17176 It gets worse because there was an entire generation of kids raised in Western style in Afghan cities for the last 19 years give or take who are incapable or incompatible with the rest of the country's culture due to Ghani's influence. Apparently despite the war, Afghanistan's cities have mostly remained untouched due to American presence. I feel bad for the girls who were raised under American rule since the Taliban aren't going to have the time nor patience to acclimate them to Afghani culture. While the Taliban have "softened" a lot of their politics to get with the times, gender roles and drug enforcement are two things they remain hardline on.
>>17176 >respect is earned More like he never truly was able to bring the cabal of elites running his country fully over to his side. >>17179 >cities I would rather we not take in refugees because then you have the France issue of 2nd gen immigrants going full durka on you.
>>17184 >More like he never truly was able to bring the cabal of elites running his country fully over to his side. And the reason for that is obvious, he's a bitch and a slave to foreign influence. Since the Taliban already have sovereign authority over the running of their own affairs, why would they ever trade that in shackle themselves to some pretentious cosmopolitan shit? Meanwhile the warlords before him made it obvious that they only ever wanted the West in the country to be their personal hit squad and nothing else, but since they're a bunch of degenerates they got thrown out. The country is such a shithole that throwing money around is meaningless at this point, and he's completely out of touch with a society that isn't operated by the whims of merchants.
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Hit by the collapse of Lebanon's economy, the army has started offering rides on its helicopters to finance their maintenance >HAMAT AIR BASE, Lebanon, July 9 (Reuters) - Hit by the collapse of Lebanon's economy, the army has started selling rides on its helicopters to finance their maintenance, a measure of the depth of the financial troubles facing the country. >"The war we are in is economic and therefore requires unconventional means ... and the idea we had was to do helicopter tours," Colonel Hassan Barakat, an army spokesman, said. >"The cost of these trips secures the essential maintenance of the planes." A 15-minute rides on an army Robinson R44 training helicopter costs $150. >Lebanon is suffering from what the World Bank has described as one of deepest depressions in modern history. The currency has lost more than 90% of its value in less than two years and more than half the population has sunk into poverty. >Army commander General Joseph Aoun warned last month that the crisis, caused by decades of corruption and waste in government, would lead to the collapse of all state institutions including the army, noting that the value of a soldier's monthly salary was now $90. >A big recipient of U.S. military support, the army has underpinned Lebanon's stability since the end of the 1975-90 civil war. Qatar announced this week it would provide the army with 70 tonnes of food per month. >"It's a nice experience for my children to see Lebanon, and the beautiful Lebanese coast from the air," said Adib Dakkash, 43, visiting from Switzerland. >"I prefer to spend $150 so that army helicopters continue to operate, so that the pilots and officers continue to fly, instead of spending it in a restaurant, on food or meaningless things." https://web.archive.org/web/20210709115715/https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/lebanons-cash-strapped-army-sells-helicopter-rides-during-economic-crisis-2021-07-09/
>>17184 >Rapefugees I agree in general despite my concerns, but I do think America, Canada, and France have a moral responsibility to grant anyone who directly helped American or NATO forces in an official capacity (such as translating) along with their families with permanent visa status. In many cases those men and women risked their lives or are risking their lives for the West, and we have a duty to shelter them since the Taliban WILL kill or persecute them. Français par le sang versé as the saying goes, just replacing Français with Américain or Canadien.
>>17204 Unless they did it for free and their families helped i don't think that's a good idea, many siblings or even children might have strong urges against their father's ideological fights.
>>17204 >altruisim That type of moralistic altruism kills societies. At the end of the day, a hard pragmatism with a moralistic cover is what ultimately keeps nations functioning. Like >>17208 said, kids don't turn out like there parents quite often. Plus, "terrorism" is an invisible enemy, the ratio of cost to effectiveness is not known since only attacks that catastrophically fail or succeed can be listed. It's the new method of money laundering by the state and those in the upper class who which to drive the evolution of a society.
>>17210 >>17208 I think both the children and the adults are more likely to be racially aware and hard-right than you think. Reminder that you and I are considered terrorists by our own governments for not believing in the current city groupthink. From the 1st and 2nd generation Muslims I've met and worked with, it's important to remember that not all Muslim countries are the same. If this were Syria or Saudi Arabia I might agree, but pragmatically Afghans are a blend of Persian and Siberian cultures (the majority of US-aligned ones are Tajiks or Punjabs anyways) and would be on your side in a culture war. They are less the entitled rapey kind of Sandnigger and more the Indian "middle Asian" sorts with strong convictions that keep to themselves and only cause problems when their way of life is threatened.
>>17210 Fucking over your allies is a good way to make enemies.
>>17211 >slightly better kebab My reason for this is not for the fact that they are purely moslem, but rather that they will face significant issues and the current setup of the US does not lend to successful assimilation. Then you end up with the issue of France, who imported tons of rapefugees, who worked harder than the natives, but their children grew up marginalized and became radical because in their eyes, "Why must I have to work as hard as my parents when I am a natural born Frenchmen?" (And remember, Europe is much more "conscious" of their color differences relative to the US). >>17213 There are no eternal allies, only a continued mutual intrest.
>>17210 >That type of moralistic altruism kills societies. At the end of the day, a hard pragmatism with a moralistic cover is what ultimately keeps nations functioning. Thing is as successful nations develop the pragmatism they owe their success to is shed in favor of romantic ideals. Children forget the hardscrabble life of their parents and the momentum of society seems unstoppable. A successful nation by definition has made an impact in the surrounding world, so the challenges it faced in its development are no longer present. The United States was founded in an age of empires, against which it was defined, but its success has led to an age of republics. It's uniqueness has been diluted. During the Roman Republic, citizenship was such an elite privilege that Rome even denied it to their Italian allies. It was only because they had an effective civil war over it in the Social War that it was extended. The Italian allies having fought alongside the Romans for centuries naturally integrated into the framework of Roman political society and it was seen as a fait accompli. The whole of Italy became perceived as the Roman homeland over the course of the next century. Fast forward to the Roman Empire in the 200s and the emperor Caracalla declares all free men and women in the imperial territories to have Roman citizenship, to expand the tax base and the population of able men legally eligible to be recruited as legionaries. The social conventions which formed the foundation of Roman society, already lamented in time of Augustus as being in decay, were now clearly disintegrated following the extended period of stability and tranquility in the Pax Romana. Two decades after the Edict of Caracalla, thr Roman Empire would enter into a disastrous period of civil wars, rebellions, political instability, natural disasters, and economic collapse during the Crisis of the Third Century, from which it never truly recovered its former state of prestige. Already today, the rhetoric of American politicans loves to recall the glories of the past; they are appealing to a social optimal that has been slowly chipped away and reduced to rubble, sold for scrap. Moralists parade themselves are guardians of morality but are revealed to be hypocrites. History is warped to serve the needs of the present situation. Individual priority is not set on pragmatic coordination to overcome the world, but to work in bad faith and screw over one's compatriots to have more of a shrinking prize. The only people to never have this problem of ebb and flow are nomadic hordes, but only because they never settled for fixed wealth at all. However never having fixed wealth, they were eventually subsumed by the specialist, technological, and organizational capacities of civilized armies. Civilized socieities peak though, and in the past 80 years there has been a period of relative tranquil between settled societies, without wars in which their definition can be drawn. The uncertainty flows from the top down to the person, and you have the explosion of identities going every which way because there is no context for their existence. The funny part is /k/ doesn't have this, because due to Streloks' innate suspicion at the world their inclination (and one they actually act on, and not just speak of) is to shape a world of their own to dodge SHTF innawoods.
>>17204 Gotta agree with that, ideally it wouldn't have happened in the first place the whole invasion thing, but you can't leave people out to dry after having using them, it might sound dumb but it is rather dis-honorable. >>17214 It's not an easy subject sure, i'm not the biggest fan of kebab at all, but fucking over the ones that "helped" you just feels wrong, i'm not saying they should become say US citizens outright, just like any other, but some form of protection is deserved, if you want you can think of it as what's done to criminals that give information and are afterwards protected, so it's pragmatism too.
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Found an interesting article that puts a new light on the American pullout and why both Biden and Trump really supported it. Pardon for it being an NPR link. https://archive.is/2yStX Shorthand version: >The CIA has struggled to run covert operations in Afghanistan since the military took over most security functions <Being butthurt they refused to share information with the military and likely led to many soldier's deaths (implied) <They used this as leverage to twist Trump's and later Biden's arm (implied) >After 9/11 the CIA had an internal coup in which many administrators in favor of foreign intelligence gathering were ousted >They were replaced with agents and administrators advocating for paramilitary action and assassinations instead of intelligence gathering >The CIA wants the US military out of Afghanistan so their agents can resume covert operations to assassinate targets and starting civil wars in the surrounding countries >This is why America is refusing to give up the embassy and airport in Kabuul Those god damned chucklefucks played everyone the fools. Expect a LOT more glownigger activity and random coups/rebellions in Afghanistan/Tajikistan/Pakistan/Western China over the next decade or two.
>>17236 >US intervention in Afghanistan began with Special Forces >NATO decided to escalate it to the commitment of conventional forces following Article 5 >conventional forces fail to achieve anything for 19 years >China finally gives them an alternate excuse for funding >finally withdraw and get replaced with Spooks Was it all an interdepartmental budget struggle?
>>17240 In the words of Bruce Lee, "Boards, don't hit back." The CIA to the .mil is a board. They need someone to do the punching for them.
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>>17314 Américain par le sang versé.
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Lebanon: PM-designate Saad Hariri resigns as crisis escalates >Lebanon Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri stepped down on Thursday after failing to form a government for over the past eight months. >Hariri resigned following a brief meeting with President Michel Aoun at Baabda Palace. >“I withdrew from forming the government,” he told reporters. “Aoun demanded some amendments, which he considered essential, and said we will not be able to reach an understanding with each other… And may God save this country.” >Hariri reportedly will talk about failed government-formation efforts in a television interview later Thursday. His office declined to comment to Al Jazeera. >Aoun accused Hariri of already deciding to step down prior to their meeting. “Hariri rejected any amendments related to changes in ministries, their sectarian distribution, and the names associated with them,” the president’s office said in a statement. >Later Thursday, supporters of Hariri and his Future Movement party took to the streets, blocking roads with burning tyres and rubbish bins in several areas around Beirut. Several dozen protesters at Beirut’s Sports City scuffled with Lebanese soldiers in riot gear. >Major highways south of the capital were also targetted by demonstrators. Roads in the northern city of Tripoli and in the southern city of Sour were also blocked. >Savings evaporated >Following Hariri’s step down, the Lebanese pound hit a new all-time low exceeding 21,000 to the US dollar. >The lira has now lost 90 percent of its value, effectively evaporating the savings of hundreds of thousands of families. At least half of the population has slipped into poverty, while food inflation is at more than 400 percent. >Political deadlock has persisted since Hariri’s reappointment last October, despite diplomatic pressure from France, Saudi Arabia, and the United States. The European Union has threatened to implement sanctions on Lebanese officials preventing a new government to take power. >Jamil Mouawad, senior fellow at the Arab Reform Initiative, said Hariri’s resignation is a prime example of sectarian politics at play in Lebanon. >“It’s been like this for years, except state institutions no longer have cosmetic coverup as they did prior to the economic crisis,” Mouawad told Al Jazeera, adding sectarian tensions will likely flare now. “In this next phase they will start blaming each other for obstructing the government formation.” https://web.archive.org/web/20210715180920/https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/7/15/lebanon-pm-designate-saad-hariri-resigns-as-crisis-escalates The Army probably can't even pay for ammo at this point.
>>17322 >Mouawad told Al Jazeera, adding sectarian tensions will likely flare now. “In this next phase they will start blaming each other for obstructing the government formation.” Convenient how he magically knows the future. Almost like this is all being planned.
>>17314 While these won't even have the decency to lopp off faggots heads here once they arrived -- already being brainwashed into accepting full-anal society democratized, still they are better than a load of literal niggers I guess.
>>17328 i find it inherently more likely to believe that their shithole country simply has nobody that knows what to do with it, compounded with the wuhan wheeze fucking their tourism industry and their main port getting btfo because of port authority incompetence
>>17328 >predictions don't exist, no guesses can ever be made about the future, and all statements about things that have yet to happen require foreknowledge
Assad seen ordering schwarma after being elected to fourth presidential term.
>>17392 Ok. I hope he enjoyed it.
>>17392 >no secret service >not surrounded by dozens of cops or men in black >taking photos with randos while everyone is having fun >HE IS EBIL MONSTER WHO GAS CHILDREN REEEEEEEEE
>>17392 >Relaxed, friendly. >Taking pictures, walking among the people. This. This is a man who isn't afraid of his fellow countrymen, who works for his country and is loved by the people. You won't find that in the west.
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And now the Gulf States are angling for a rapprochement with Assad and Syria: https://web.archive.org/web/20210601150930/https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/01/assad-is-friends-with-the-arab-world-again/ Turns out political tenacity is its own currency. The Middle East has barely any security as it is, between the chaos in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now in Lebanon. They aren't looking for more glowie sponsored jihadi revolutionaries that bring out endless chaos. They just want a man that can hold the world together.
>>17314 ... Well, it'll be a drop in the bucket compared to the 1,000,000 pajeets, niggers, spics, and other shitskins that are admitted to the US each year. Remember during Vietnam how the American public threw a shitfit about them doing this same thing with gooks? There won't be a peep this time.
Hopefully they bring their bacha bazi boys with them and don't try to procure them onsite
>>17406 During Vietnam/Korea they brought in like 120k while the US population was only 200 million. Compare that to the 17k they plan to bring in with the current heavily black America and that's a drop in the bucket.
>>17412 You know it's going to be way, way more than that. >"This is going to SIV eligible applicants — even if they are not in the pipeline," Shah told Newsweek. "It is far broader than the original 18K, and will include Afghans all stages of the application process and even those eligible for an application."
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>President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday said Turkey was planning talks with the Taliban over the hardline Islamist group's refusal to let Ankara run Kabul airport after US troops withdraw from Afghanistan https://web.archive.org/web/20210719144905/https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1417088076052975624
>>17405 >They aren't looking for more glowie sponsored jihadi revolutionaries that bring out endless chaos. They just want a man that can hold the world together. Interestingly-well put Strelok. The Bible has a vaguely similar description of events surrounding the Antichrist. I'm not suggesting this man Assad actually is him, but pointing out that you've hit on a fundamental prophesy regarding coming events in the world.
>>17406 >There won't be a peep this time. Actually there is/will be. But the globalist kikes will instruct their spinmasters to brand us all as le Ebil Nahdzees! Whites! to the NPCs.
>>17423 Sounds like an excuse for the Turks to flood the country with their roach terrorists. No doubt the USA is sanctioning its retreat on the basis of said roaches continuing the hybrid warfare shit that is happening in Syria.
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>>17426 >Roaches vs Taliban Is it gonna be another one of these?
>>17432 What the fuck, this looks like one of those 4v4 RTS battles with random factions on
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>>17168 Taliban peace proposal: Taliban says no peace in Afghanistan unless President Ghani is removed: report >The Taliban says there will not be peace in Afghanistan until President Ashraf Ghani is removed and there is a new negotiated government in Kabul, the Associated Press reported Friday.  >Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen said the insurgents would end their fighting when a negotiated government that agrees with all sides of the conflict is established in Kabul, and Ghani's government is removed.  >“I want to make it clear that we do not believe in the monopoly of power because any governments who (sought) to monopolize power in Afghanistan in the past, were not successful governments,” Shaheen told The Associated Press. “So we do not want to repeat that same formula.” >Shaheen dismissed Ghani's right to govern, calling him a warmonger and accusing him of using his speech on the Islamic holy day Eid-al-Adha to assure an offense against the Taliban. Shaheen also brought up allegations of widespread fraud regarding Ghani's win. Ghani has said that he will remain in office until new elections determine the next government, which his critics, including the Taliban, say he is only trying to remain in power.  >Last week, the Executive Officer of the country Abdullah Abdullah led a high-level group of representatives to talk with Taliban leaders, according to the AP. While Shaheen said those talks were good at first, the government’s repeated demands for a ceasefire without the removal of Ghani were similar to a Taliban surrender.  >“They don’t want reconciliation, but they want surrendering,” Shaheen said. >Before the Taliban can agree to a ceasefire, there must be a new government “acceptable to us and to other Afghans,” he said. Only then will there be no war, according to Shaheen.  >Shaheen said that the Taliban's capture of districts was done through negotiation, not fighting. He said that some Taliban commanders ignored the leadership's orders against repressive and drastic behavior. >“Those districts which have fallen to us and the military forces who have joined us ... were through mediation of the people, through talks,” he told the publication. “They [did not fall] through fighting ... it would have been very hard for us to take 194 districts in just eight weeks.” >“You know, no one no one wants a civil war, including me,” he added https://web.archive.org/web/20210723140945/https://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/564499-taliban-says-no-peace-in-afghanistan-unless Biden assures Afghan President Ghani of continued U.S. support -White House >U.S. President Joe Biden told Afghan President Ashraf Ghani in a telephone call on Friday that the United States will continue to support Afghanistan, including with development and humanitarian aid, the White House said in a statement. https://web.archive.org/web/20210724002818/https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/biden-assures-afghan-president-ghani-continued-us-support-white-house-2021-07-23/
>>17501 >development and humanitarian aid There is no problem some Democracy, Demolition equipment and airsoft can't fix t. every western think tank. Ghani is playing with fire by not having fleeing the country and setting up a multi-ethnic liberal democratic progressive government in exile on western European soil handed over as Crusade reparations, Taliban are already assassinating Afghan chairforce pilots in droves so there might not even be a plane left to crash with no survivors if he takes too long that is if they don't manage to bribe his security detail for a goat op.
>>17501 the talibs feel more like a puppet than an actual body they re vocabulary consists nothing of "god" and theyre assets are only guns that s not even shown in an expo or something how masterful of a fashion icon
>>17498 It looks crazy at a glance, but after quickly combing through the wikipedia page the situation is quite understandable: >anglos do their thing and create an administrative unit that completely ignores ethnic and religious differences >later they leave and tell the locals that they are an independent country now >ethnic tensions lead to the secession of an area >various outside players show up to pursue their own goals, ranging from selling weapons for some cash money to building influence in the region by making new friends >this inevitably leads to more outsiders showing up to counter the goals of the other ones >and some of them also switch which side they support based on internal and external events A good example is how the USSR just wanted to sell MIGs to the Nigerian government without having any greater plans other than making some money, but that was enough for communist China to start supporting the secessionists, because their relationship with the USSR was already soured at that point. Or in the case of Israel, they just sold weapons to the central government until their parliament decided that they feel sorry for the secessionists. The real fun part were the mercenaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War#Foreign_mercenaries >Outmatched by Nigeria's superior military power, Biafra hired foreign mercenaries in desperation.[186] Mercenaries with prior experience fighting in the Congo Crisis were eagerly drawn to Biafra. German mercenary Rolf Steiner was placed in charge of the 4th Commando Brigade of the Biafran Armed Forces and commanded 3,000 men. Welsh mercenary Taffy Williams, one of Steiner's subordinates, was in command of one hundred Biafran fighters. Steiner's other subordinates were a mixture of adventurers consisting of the Italian Giorgio Norbiato; the Rhodesian explosive expert Johnny Erasmus; the Scotsman Alexander "Alec" Gay; the Irishman Louis "Paddy" Malrooney; the Corsican Armand Iaranelli who had able to enlist in the Foreign Legion by pretending to be Italian; and a Jamaican bartender turned mercenary who called himself "Johnny Korea".[187] Polish-Swiss pilot Jan Zumbach formed and commanded a ragtag air force for Biafra. Canadian pilot Lynn Garrison, Swedish pilot Carl Gustaf von Rosen, and Rhodesian pilot Jack Malloch served as leaders of Biafran air operations, attacking Nigerian forces and also supplying weapons and food aid. Portuguese pilots also served in the Biafran Air Force, transporting weapons from Portugal to Biafra. Steiner established a brown water navy by converting some Chris-Craft Boats into gun boats, which turned out to be successful in launching surprise raids for weapons and supplies.
>>17505 And they were able to pay for all that because Biafra also consisted of the oil rich regions of Nigeria, right?
>>17501 Ghani explicitly is the one who refused a ceasefire and launched a "kill all Taliban" campaign which is why the Taliban are going for his head. He did it to himself. >>17502 I'm waiting to see if we get a reverse-Ghadaffi or if the Glowies do an op to extract him with that in mind or something similar. >>17504 They are the closest thing to what AnCaps would cause a "decentralized government." They have leaders and an inner theological ring of clerics in high command, but their movement is largely cultural and represents a mixture of the voice of rural Afghan men and the lessons of what survivors they have from the Bin Laden days or Soviet days that came before the Mujahideen. >they re vocabulary consists nothing of "god" Because they saw the success of ISIS which was the first non-theologically-focused state in the region, and restructured the Taliban to similarly attract young men. That's why the Taliban and ISIS fight each other. They figured out the trick is to have the theological state internally via officers and the laws that govern the organization, and externally show an acting stable "secular" government to attract men to join them. One of the major hurdles they ran into under US occupation was figuring out how to train soldiers. Before the internal change it took closer to six months to two years to train someone. After the swap to remove theological lessons from a soldier's curriculum and instead follow an American WWI education standard with Islamic studies instead of Bible studies for children, they found that they could train soldiers in about 3 months instead. >theyre assets are only guns That tends to happen when you've been invaded multiple times by every superpower and surrounding country since 1950. The Taliban are Democracy, and damn are they ramming it hard up the US-influenced Afghanistan's ass.
>>17520 >The Taliban are Democracy Friend you seem to be casting that as if it were a good thing, kek. Quite apart from your obvious Freudian faggotry bent, describing something organic arising naturally from a people could hardly be best-described using that word. As Hitler and so many others have spelled out, as D*mocracy almost never represents the will of the people, but is instead a clear sham intended to deceive the masses into believing it's so. And in CY+/-100y, it's obviously got a strong connotation of Marxism run by globalist kikes. If you want to attempt propping up these illiterate goat fuckers that's your prerogative I suppose. But I'd recommend you not get too overenthusiastic about bro. It kinda blows your cover.
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>>17524 Taliban aren't sending European civilians to another world so they're alright in my book, though you are somewhat right in that "Democracy" interpreted as the gay (((representative))) kind with fat pedo kike "experts" voting themselves into positions of fat retirement packages with a globohomo media extravaganza for when the voter cattle gets to vote for a figurehead "leader" every few years might not be apt to describe what the Taliban are bringing about in Afghanistan, perhaps >Democracy in a spiritual Swiss sense with Afghan characteristics would be a more apt description? Not that the term ever meant much since gommunist countries started calling themselves Democratic Republics.
>>17515 I have no idea, but Biafra had a population of 13.5 million. If they could tax the average nigger there for a grand of total of $1 worth of local monopoly money, that's still a budget of $162 million a year, and that should be enough to maintain a third world army led by the real-life A-team.
What's happeninges in Tunisia???
>>17545 >high unemployment (like 35+%) >food shortages cause subsidized arab economy >large debt to GDP ratio >massive corruption >Mostly "secular" country It's a wonder the current leader survived so long. Thus lies the curse of the salted earth of carthage.
>>17548 The Romans did pretty well running the place for a few centuries.
>>17505 I find it so fascinating that alignments always mean fuck all when profits or political posturing is on the line. I imagine that Russia and China will probably stab each other in the back if need be.
>>17582 russians are always pretty honest and open about their intentions. It's always the others who want to fuck around and find out. btw, fuck you chingchongs, your AK's suck shit-filled ass.
>>17582 China and Russia have been enemies since the 1960s, they just both lost the ideological background that would make them try to export gommunism, have enough internal problems to deal with, and both of them consider the USA to be their true nemesis. Add in that they are practically minded (at least to the pure insanity that is current Western mindset), and you can see that the time for the great struggle between the Bear and the Dragon is yet to come. Also, they actually had some proper border clashes in the 70s and 80s, Russians even kept their Maxim guns in service along fortifications on the Chinese border until the fall of the USSR. And that can explain why those Maxims were still around in armouries until the 2010s.
hey guys I have an idea how about once the taliban retake the whole of afghanistan, we invade again, smash everything and drive them underground again, but instead of then starting another pointless 20 year hearts and minds occupation, we just fuck off again and wait for them to come back again, then rinse and repeat until one side gives up would be pretty based no?
>>17611 If we're going to do that then let's forget having a conventional war and let's all just develop mechas so we can play Robot Jox with them instead.
>>17236 >This is why America is refusing to give up the embassy and airport in Kabuul I don't think the Taliban will give them a choice in that matter. They want Americans and American assets 100% out not 99% out.
>>17595 Having learnt of how the Soviets were absolutely terrified of the possibility of a nuclear strike by the US, or the tankie narrative about Stalin wanting a neutral but intact Germany, I'm inclined to agree. >>17597 I've heard some Aut Historian say that Siberia is wide open for Chink settlement and most of the people living on the East coast of Russia are Chinese. How true is that?
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>>17611 What the fuck does the US even see in Afghanistan, they have solved their oil crisis and Texas will become the Solar State anyhow. Would be best to let the Chinese fight against the righteous forces of the one true religion.
>>17641 Same reason the DA is trying to throw the book at every protestor present in DC during the storming. Afghanistan dared to show America's incompetence in a public manner, so they must be steamrolled in traditional American fashion no matter the costs. As America does every time their pride is hurt, despite it just accelerating the Streisand effect.
>>17641 Drug money. Afghanistan was the CIA's primary poppy production field until local elements went rogue and decided that mind altering drugs were bad.
>>17649 Don't they have synthetic opioids these days?
>>17650 >synthetic While they may be cheaper (not always) or easier to produce, it is kind of hard to use them for a slush fund- after all, US law tracking precursors and opiods that are produced are quite strict domestically.
>>17645 >America dared to show America's incompetence in a public manner, so they must be steamrolled in traditional American fashion no matter the costs.
>>17655 America(((*)))'s
>>17645 >Country formed by rebelling against a centralized government punishes people rebelling against its own centralized government >All the people who were around DC have the same guilt by association to the guys who brought zip ties and stole federal property The absolute state of Weimerica, I find it so ironic that their own version of Uncle Joe is now running it
>>17655 It's quite hilarious to watch. >>17659 At one point the judge finally stepped in and gave the prosecutors a list of seven "offenses" that they must be pushing charges for before bringing in a case about the Capitol, because the prosecutors were making shit up just to get protestors on the lawn into court. I hope such incidents become more common so people understand the government doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone else except their own, they only give a fuck about making sure you shut the fuck up if you expose something that ruins their infallible image they project or reveals their corrupt spending to the average voter.
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>>17525 Democracy in action.
>>17685 Where do the civilians "flee" with the city surrounded?
>>17688 To the taliban held areas i assume, they're fleeing the violence of battle not the taliban, most of them anyway.
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Turkey is on fire. Lebanon degenerating into random gun fights.
>>17796 That guy is so happy
>>17796 this man is literally every Strelok in that situation.
>>17796 That man knows what it means to be alive more than most in that moment.
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>>17796 The latest outbreak of violence in Lebanon was triggered by the following assasination at a wedding: >High tension tonight in #Lebanon after an incident in a wedding in Jiyyeh related to previous clashes in Khaldeh. A Sunni man (Arab tribes) killed a Shiaa/Hezb fighter as a revenge for his brother. The sectarian language online is worrying https://web.archive.org/web/20210731204042/https://twitter.com/BonkersLebanese/status/1421571420207960064
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>>17808 >assassination at a wedding Oh no, will the Germans Syrians have to intervene?
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>(Possible) evidence that Pakistan has deployed its own nationals to help the Taliban seize control in Afghanistan >Lists of people who went to fight Afghan army and were killed in the last few months. All are Pakistani nationals and there is no Afghan refugee. Yes Mr. @ImranKhanPTI, Pakistan is not a sanctuary, Pakistan is waging this war by itself against Afghanistan https://web.archive.org/web/20210802021617/https://twitter.com/carlottagall/status/1421352006200041481 This might explain why the Taliban have suddenly started being "professional" recently and avoiding car bombings, like the VC being replaced with the NVA.
wait why is turkey on fire again
>>17825 Because they're in the right place for arid climates and hot summers. That combination tends to lead to wildfires very easily.
>>17821 Pakistani leadership is denying it/accusing the US of falsifying the information because Pakistan wouldn't let them run glow operations out of the country.
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>>17796 I love a cooked Turkey!
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>random drone attack on an Israeli cargo ship last week, assigned culprit is Iran >US is assembling a "coordinated response" between the US/UK/Israel/Saudi Arabia >reports today of "Iran" hijacking random vessels in the Strait of Hormuz Where's this heading, bros?
>>17834 >Make everything fly-by-wire >Put Pajeets in charge of the ship I mean it was a recipe for disaster before cyber warfare got involved. I imagine America is trying to spook Iran because Iran is refusing to sign the nuclear deal since it's a raw deal. They (America) were told to figure out their shit before the Iranian elections were finished, and they pussyfooted around thinking they had Iran in their pocket. Now they're probably starting shit because the new hardliners refuse to play a rigged game of nonstop compromise. I hope Iran goes nuclear and kicks off a world fucking war at this point to shred the paper tiger and end global hegemony.
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>let's just board a random ship for half a day then leave when nothing happens https://web.archive.org/web/20210804051121/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1422787158142853125 What did they mean by this?
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>>17877 Scenario 1) News didn't generate as much outrage as glows wanted. GlowOp canceled (or completed successfully?). Scenario 2) Iran actually DID hijack the vessel for X reasons (personal pet theory being to gauge the West's reactions because new politicians are in office and need to test the waters). Now that either X reasons have been fulfilled or the wrong response was generated and they're abandoning the mission, they are done with the ship. There's other scenarios but they are much less likely in my opinion. What would really uncover facts would be personal interviews with the captain and crew of the ship, but due to the language barriers and the absence of investigative journalism without congressional mandate, I doubt that will happen.
>>17878 Scenario 3) Internal struggle between Iranian factions, one tries to force one to concede by making it a "if you don't support us you're a dirty american spy"!
Afghanistan is now toppling like a row of dominoes if reports are to be believed.
>>17980 Yeah looks like bombs and a half-assed puppet state aren't enough to hold territory. Unless something changes or we're just being lied to the Taliban's going to be in charge by next summer.
>>17981 All the interviews I've read end with "I don't care who is in charge, I just want to live my life/run my business" seems to be the growing sentiment throughout Afghanistan. The Taliban is pinning the current war on the Afghan government from what I've seen by claiming government forces fired at the Taliban first. >>17688 To the taliban areas. See >>17700 >>17981 The bombs are still half-working. A lot of areas where "afghan forces are holding out" aren't actually holding out at all. It's just that America is continuing airstrike operations through the end of the month and Taliban can't compete for air superiority.
>>17980 >20 years >thousands of dead burgers and sandpeople <back to square 1 USA USA USA
>>17179 Dang, Taliban pretty based.
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<NEW: US official confirms US military deploying #AC130 gunships, #MQ9 #Reaper drones as well as #B52 bombers & #F18s to strike #Taliban and boost #Afghanistan security forces AC-130s & MQ-9s carrying out the majority of the strikes <NEW: #Taliban offensives in #Afghanistan aren't just taking territory but boosting Taliban capabilities "The gains they’ve made have allowed them to capture equipment & free prisoners, which is having an effect on expanding their military power” US official tells @VOANews https://web.archive.org/web/20210810125650/https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1424786833179824134 >Like Vietnam, you can't defeat a dug-in irregular army that inhabits gullies, caves and tunnels. Have they learned nothing? Also, didn't the A'stan War start in 2001 just like this? Didn't work then, did it? It's over: the Talibanistan monster is born. >The time's running out; and they can't gunship an urban environment like Kabul. This is one of the most monumental f'ck-ups of this century so far. The Taliban are going to make the Balkans Wars look like kindergarten https://web.archive.org/web/20210810144318/https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick/status/1424849599156662279 >CAUTION - Viewers may find this video disturbing. Pakistan-backed #Taliban demonstrate their sharia craftsmanship in #Afghanistan. https://web.archive.org/web/20210801133519/https://twitter.com/TarekFatah/status/1421825366465945603
>>17998 I like how everyone's pointing out this is no different than parts of India who's supposed to be a westernized country.
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Afghan collapse accelerating: BREAKING -- The U.S. Embassy in #Afghanistan has called on all U.S. citizens to leave the country "immediately." >Catastrophic 72hrs for #Afghanistan, as the #Taliban capture 5 provincial capitals -- taking military bases, airports, emptying prisons etc. The U.S. (then NATO) withdrawal is clearly an utter disaster, but that ship has sailed -- muted response from #Washington says everything. >#Taliban control in #Afghanistan: Mid-April: 77 districts: Early-August: 229 districts Nearly 50% of provincial capitals are now under #Taliban threat. (via @LongWarJournal) >#Afghanistan's military is just 'not our problem anymore,' @DeptofDefense appears to be saying here. As cities fall & prisons empty, the trajectory is going to worsen day-by-day. >On the Afghan government and security forces amid Taliban gains, the Pentagon says: "These are their military forces, these are their provincial capitals, their people to defend and it's really going to come down to the leadership that they're willing to exude." >Asked what the U.S. military can do if the Afghan security forces are not putting up a fight, the Pentagon spokesman says: "Not much." >When I wrote my MA thesis on #Afghanistan 11yrs ago, there were deep-rooted problems with US/NATO strategy -- & the goals set then were arguably unachievable. BUT, erratically departing w. no 'Day 2' plan in place for #Kabul & residual US capabilities was hubris in the extreme. >As #Afghanistan's cities begin to fall & entire ANDSF units/bases surrender, the #Taliban's capture of heavy weaponry is spiraling, making #ISIS' 2014 loot look like childs-play -- since June: 11 tanks 33 AFVs 2 helicopters 1,723 Humvees, MRAPs, ATVs & trucks per @oryxspioenkop >Afghanistan is unraveling. Biden says he has no regrets. Peace talks are flailing. The Taliban is advancing. Afghan military is helpless. Allies are trying to wrap their arms around America's adamance to leave. >Alarming -- the #Taliban's capture of #Kunduz Airport has brought an enormous haul of heavy weaponry -- including a T-62 tank, 4+ MaxxPro MRAPs (~$2.1 million worth), multiple heavy artillery pieces + dozens of armored Humvees & U.S.-provided pick-ups. >The #Taliban captured their 10th provincial capital overnight: #Ghazni. Today, fighting has reached the center of #Kandahar (#Afghanistan's 2nd largest city) & #Herat. For now, the #Taliban control ~66% of #Afghanistan -- 4 months ago, that was ~15%. >NEW - the #Taliban is claiming to have captured #Kandahar, #Afghanistan's 2nd city -- but fighting is still audible, so watch for more verifying info. Meanwhile: - #Herat's citadel just fell; - Lashkar Gah's central prison was just captured & emptied. >BREAKING -- the #Taliban claims to have captured #Herat, after taking control of the Governor's HQ, Police HQ & city center. Ismail Khan's whereabouts are unknown. In #Kandahar, the focus of [street-street] fighting is now limited to one central district. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812162802/https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1425829811511959561
>>18014 Fall of Saigon 2.0
Human Rights Watch has declared that Hamas committed war crimes by firing mortars and rockets at Israel. They argue that unguided munitions are inherently indiscriminate, and therefore it is never acceptable to use them in a populated area due to the risk to civilians. They argue that while they found Israel to have also committed war crimes by deliberately hitting civilian targets with no military value, it did not justify Hamas's strikes. It sure is convenient that, in a conflict where one side gets countless billions in funding and technology from the US and friends, while the other just has what they can make in sheds, the "laws of war" supposedly prohibit the use of weapons that are too low-tech.
>>18014 >BUT, erratically departing w. no 'Day 2' plan in place for #Kabul & residual US capabilities was hubris in the extreme. I wouldn't say it was hubris. Everyone knew what was going to happen. What is hubris, however, is the US wasting resources with AC-130's and what not. Unless they are trying to stall for time, which is also is fucking retarded, since this shitshow didn't happen overnight, there has been plenty of time for glowniggers and contractors to fuck off.
>>18014 I opened a news site and saw the headline "Taliban take 10 provincial capitals in a week". I refreshed ten minutes later and it had changed to 11. Now it just says "Major cities fall to Taliban", since I guess they couldn't keep up the count this fast.
>>18015 exactly what i was thinking, this is just the young generation's Vietnam, and it's playing out verbatim like it did in '75.
>>18029 The US military operates on compliance-based goals, not objective-based goals. This leads to fun situations where better vehicle/weapons designs are thrown out for being five minutes late to submission, there are weapons still in use since the 1970s even though parts haven't been produced to make more since the 90s, and perhaps more importantly for this discussion, contractors can't legally pull out unless the government gives them permission and air support is still being provided for a lost cause because them's the orders until the end of August.
>>18034 The difference is Vietnam was a winnable war just without popular support and Afghanistan was always an unwinnable war it just had popular support for the first decade or so.
I wonder if the CIA got bored with Afghanistan. Or they simply find it easier to do whatever with the Taliban in control since you can target the whole country with new toys and justify it.
>>18029 The guy is a retard thinking this wasn't all set up to fail ahead of time, with no one giving a shit at this point.
Contractors used by US companies in Afghanistan stuck in Dubai Foreign workers trying to get back to their home countries are stuck in limbo at hotels across Dubai due to the coronavirus pandemic. >Some of the foreign contractors who powered the logistics of the United States’ long war in Afghanistan have found themselves stranded on an unending layover in Dubai without a way to get home. >After nearly two decades, the rapid US withdrawal from Afghanistan has upended the lives of thousands of private security contractors from some of the world’s poorest countries – not the hired guns, but the hired hands who serviced the US war effort. For years, they toiled in the shadows as cleaners, cooks, construction workers, servers and technicians on sprawling US bases. >In the rushed evacuation, many of these foreign workers have become stuck in limbo at hotels across Dubai while trying to get home to the Philippines and other countries that restricted international travel because of the coronavirus pandemic. >As the US brings home its remaining troops and abandons its bases, experts have said the chaotic departure of the Pentagon’s logistics army lays bare an uncomfortable truth about a privatised system long susceptible to mismanagement – one largely funded by US taxpayers but outside the purview of US law. >“It’s the same situation that affects foreign contractors all over the world, people who have little understanding of where they’re going and very uncertain relationships once they arrive determining their legal status and movements,” Anthony Cordesman, a national security analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told The Associated Press news agency. >“The terms of contracts in war can really absolve the employer of major responsibility … even the right of return can be uncertain.” https://web.archive.org/web/20210811085852/https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/9/contractors-used-by-us-companies-in-afghanistan-stuck-in-dubai
Found this article funny, where you know you lost but you can only say you didn't. https://archive.is/LL8lY >Rebecca Grant: Battle for Afghanistan – Taliban could be defeated by this brutal strategy >Twenty years of fighting, 2,352 American deaths and it comes down to this: can Afghanistan’s government forces pull back and hold on until the Taliban over-extends its military push? >The battle isn’t looking good. Taliban offensives have taken 12 of Afghanistan’s 34 provincial capitals since last week. The Afghanistan Army head was fired by Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on Wednesday. Ghani and top military official Abdul Rashid Dostum flew north to build support for the crucial battle around Mazar-i-Sharif. Afghan forces are pulling back. >What the Pentagon won’t tell you is the Battle for Afghanistan is a deliberate gamble that’s been planned out since 2019. >The Afghanistan government’s strategy is simple, if brutal: take international forces out of the way, then draw the Taliban into a fight they can’t win. If it works, the Taliban will be broken as a military force. It really is retarded. Later in the article, they push the idea that the Taliban only have 75,000 troops and the Afghan army 200,000. Which is ironic given only a week ago I saw a different mass media site claim the Afghan army had 300,000 troops. Which if you can lose 100,000 troops in a week, you aren't cut out for being a general. If a more serious attempt didn't work at the start of this war, with the US sending a shitload of troops. It won't work again with only a decimated Afghan army/air force and non committed US air support. The author continues to fall into the issue of trying to apply typical battle strategies to guerilla warfare. Talking about cutting off the Taliban as if there is a simple battle line and not splotches across the entire country.
>>18041 There are worse places to be stuck
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>>18041 Hey you know what? From what I know those foreign workers come from such shit hole places that Dubai is probably pretty great other than the no alcohol and no women part. The only ones really suffering are the contractors themselves who have to pay these guys as displaced workers under their military contracts. Most of the time they get treated like shit and don't even care because the daily pay is about what women make in good week of whoring in their home country, despite being less than American minimum wage. Those Dubai contractors from shithole countries are making fucking bank to sit at a hotel with wifi (but no porn) and watch Saudi-dubbed sports anime on Arab television.
>>18044 In Dubai you need the company’s approval to have a get satellite TV or a phone. These people aren't living in hotels but company approved homes.
>>18042 >Rebecca Grant There's your problem.
>>18044 here's where all the minimum wage workers live
>>18034 Will it end with the US armed forced taking a morale beating for a decade or too as well?
Is Lebanon kill?
>>18051 >Government insisting subsidies must continue as the treasurer explains there is no money left >Police joining criminals in beating citizens to silence investigations into their actions Yeah. Lebanon is kill.
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Friday the 13th: Western personnel have begun evacuating, Afghan army fleeing, and some more shit: >U.S. officials say there is increasing concern that the Taliban could make a move on Kabul in a matter of days. The assessment (yesterday) of potentially encircling in 30 days appears to be obsolete now. https://web.archive.org/web/20210813173632/https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1426177251729621000 Maybe when you've made a deal to leave by July you're supposed keep your end of the bargain. >>17179 >Today, everything has changed. My family is having discussions on what to pack, what to sell, what to leave behind, and what routes to take out of Kabul. I’ve felt ill all day, to the point that sleeping pills aren’t working. I’m terrified for all of us. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812151233/https://twitter.com/SaraWahedi/status/1425832640775557127 >When the Soviets left the Afghan government lasted 3 years before falling. This government may not even last 3 months. The US designed the Afghan state to meet Washington's counterterrorism interests, and what we see today is the result https://web.archive.org/web/20210813030812/https://twitter.com/Anand_Gopal_/status/1425891522394959881 >Pentagon: 3,000 US troops are being sent to Afghanistan to help evacuate American citizens and diplomatic personnel. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812194905/https://twitter.com/HalaGorani/status/1425893839563264005 >List of U.S. military units going to #Afghanistan, according to @DanLamothe. 1st Battalion, 8th Marines 2nd Battalion, 1st Marines 1st Battalion, 194th Field Artillery of the Iowa National Guard. https://web.archive.org/web/20210813010648/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1425987101754077184 >The NYT reports that the U.S. has moved thousands of Marines into place for a possible evac of the U.S. Embassy and U.S. citizens in #Afghanistan. Evacuation will involve U.S. soldiers getting people to Hamid Karzai Int'l Airport and then into waiting military cargo aircraft. >The Biden administration's current estimate is that Kabul could fall within 30 days. Administration and military officials still insist that the fall of Kabul could be prevented if the Afghans can put up more resistance. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812184235/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1425888148454838275 >News breaking: A reliable source says that tonight, in a telephone conversation with Mohammad Ashraf Ghani, the US Secretary of State & Secretary of Defense asked him to resign in order to allow a ceasefire & the formation of a transitional government. The time allotted for the ceasefire will be 6 months. https://web.archive.org/web/20210813020901/https://twitter.com/CameliaFard/status/1425914681064136705 >The Taliban has added four more provincial capitals to their belt this morning. Ghor, Logar, Uruzgan, and Zabul (cities) now under Taliban control, according to media reports. Zabul is just 50km, or 30 miles, south of Kabul. https://web.archive.org/web/20210813164231/https://mobile.twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1426154739671130114 >#BREAKING Global News can confirm Canadian Special Operations Forces are gearing up to deploy to Afghanistan and evacuate Canadians at the embassy. Sources tell Global News the embassy is being shut down and is in full rip out mode. Global News has learned Afghan staff are on a Canadian compound, some with very young children. Ottawa has not yet made a decision on whether to rescue these Afghans and their children by having CANSOF bring them out with the Canadian staff. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812234958/https://twitter.com/mercedesglobal/status/1425967808119201798 >According to the New York Times, U.S. negotiators are trying to get assurances from the Taliban that they will not attack the U.S. Embassy in #Kabul if the group attempts to take control of the city. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812174935/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1425875576464756737 >President Biden's national security team has been holding phone calls and meetings throughout the day with a "growing sense of urgency" about the #Taliban's gains in Afghanistan, says @kylieatwood. Embassy relocation to Kabul Airport is one of the things under consideration. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812182301/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1425873592953282561 >The U.S. Embassy is offering "repatriation loans" for those who are unable to purchase airline tickets out of Afghanistan. Those still in Afghanistan are advised to develop a plan of action that does not rely on U.S. government assistance, amongst other things. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812175308/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1425853974423425031 A FUCKING LOAN >The 3rd largest city in #Afghanistan, Herat, population 574,276, has fallen to the Taliban. Just a short while ago, the Taliban took control of the Herat police headquarters. (ht @Conflicts @AFP) Video of Afghan soldiers retreating from Herat City. https://web.archive.org/web/20210812193052/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1425848906857041922
>>18054 >According to @TBowmanNPR, staff at the U.S. Embassy in #Kabul are gearing up to destroy sensitive papers, computers, phones, etc. Tom says the situation at the Embassy is "more dire" than what the U.S. State Department has said thus far. >Tom says all mail has stopped, almost all employees are packing up, some are going to other locations. It shows the severity of the situation. Canada, Denmark, Norway, and the United Kingdom have joined the U.S. in evacuating staff out of their respective embassies >(Destroying documents and/or otherwise sensitive things is commonly done in this sort of situation, but that amongst the other things happening at the Embassy shows the severity of the situation on the ground versus what the State Department is saying back here at home.) https://web.archive.org/web/20210813174206/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1426205582818779147
>>18054 >Canadian Special Operations Forces are gearing up to deploy to Afghanistan If they're still "gearing up", then at the rate the Taliban is winning I doubt they'll get there in time.
>>18048 After Vietnam the US hoped to use the Invasion of Grenada as a way to restore morale by reminding themselves that they are sometimes capable of beating nations much smaller and weaker than themselves after all. And we all know how well that operation was pulled off. I wonder what the post-Afghanistan equivalent will be.
>>18054 >Maybe when you've made a deal to leave by July you're supposed keep your end of the bargain. Originally they were supposed to be out of there back in the Spring.
>>18057 >inb4 this is used as an excuse to invade Syria
>>18058 Yeah I got it mixed up, Trump agreed to May, Biden pushed it to 9/11 for a meme, then brought it up to mid-July(?) with the official operational end date being August 31st. So they're three months past due by the original timeline.
>>18060 It's going to be an excuse to invade your state :^) So, what's next, after the jahooties take everything? According to what the pentagon says, the US is holding a firm "not my problem, it's their country now lol" stance.
>>18054 >6 months >30 days JUST IN - Taliban could capture Kabul in next 72 hours, according to a US intelligence assessment - CNN. https://web.archive.org/web/20210813213319/https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1426263522237992965 At this rate the Marines are going land there just in time to be captured.
US President Joe Biden is sending his special envoy for the Horn of Africa https://archive.vn/ZiLa9 Ethiopia calls “all capable” citizens to fight in Tigray war https://archive.vn/nZN2t Ethiopia suspends loans using asset-based collateral, citing 'economic sabotage' https://archive.vn/EIuyx France suspends military cooperation deal with Ethiopia https://archive.vn/nZN2t#selection-346.1-559.60 US dollar black market exchange soaring in Ethiopia https://archive.vn/p5sVJ Ethiopia’s inflation soaring to 22.3 percent https://archive.vn/tXnT9
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>>18057 >And we all know how well that operation was pulled off. I actually don't, plz QRD me
>>18063 >So, what's next, after the jahooties take everything? Well, as it stands the Taliban are on bitter but ultimately "neutral" terms with Pakistan, and Iran has been trying to obtain their favor despite being competing sects of Islam. Assuming that Afghanistan is the new Vietnam and not just another case of glow fuckery in progress, the next 5-10 years will see Afghanistan trying to return to some level of normalcy. The Taliban follow Deobandi Islam which is sort of a "classical liberal" approach to Islam based on an Islamic approximation of British/American common law practices of the late 1800s/early 1900s. I say Deobandi and not Wahhabi because Wahhabi is like calling someone an Iconoclast Christian. It's used as a pejorative, not as a descriptor. The Deoband school of thought places rationalism above religious dogma when not at war, believes god is capable of lying and of bringing about a new Muhammad if he wants to, etc. Because of these pseudo-classical-liberal ties of the Deobandi sects I imagine that either Russia or Japan will make contact with the Taliban to help restore order and as a counter to China nearby. Iran will likely become their ally after foreign occupiers are physically removed since Iran is more interested in practical allies and survival than they are in religious dogma saying Wahhabists are their enemies. Saudi Arabia may or may not use the Taliban as a middle man for Saudi-Iranian talks if Israel continues to show themselves as too weak of an ally/keeps goading Turkey. I imagine Afghanistan will probably be a thriving theocratic liberal democracy within 20 years if they aren't invaded again. Also let's not forget the main reason the US invaded was because synthesizing opiates was expensive and the Taliban killed mammoth poppy farmers. Now that the US can produce synthetic opiates fairly cheap and opiate production has moved into the hands of Mexican cartels, they don't have to prop up Afghanistan for illicit drugs any more.
>>18067 I'm no expert on Grenada, but from what I remember the military claimed every civilian construction worker was also an enemy combatant and gunned them down because the foremen had handguns for self defense, and they tried to land on the island and cocked up on at least five or six occasions (in one of the cases the team was dropped at the wrong location, got to land anyways, and the only accounts of what happened to them are a fisherman saying "four guys came out of the water in wetsuits and two days later four bodies were tossed back in").
>>18066 >The leader of the Oromo Liberation Army (OLA) told Reuters news agency by phone on Thursday the group opted to join forces with the TPLF, which it bitterly opposed during its three decades in power in Ethiopia, because they now have a common cause. >"I hope we are going to squeeze this government and if possible – and I know it’s possible – we are going to overthrow this regime and stop this crisis,” said OLA leader Kumsa Diriba, who goes by the nom de guerre Jaal Marroo. How much of a shitcunt do you have to be for military regimes that hate each other to join forces, Ethiopia?
>>18068 The Taliban might be Deobandi but won't the Saudis sponsor their shit form of Salafism to spread?
>>18068 I had no idea the Taliban believed that, it's so odd, so philosophically speaking Taliban Islam is more western friendly than say Saudi Islam?
>>18073 considering how hostile they are to anyone that doesn't adhere 100% to their beliefs it sounds like a "do as i say, not as i do" situation
>>18073 Historical Afghan Islam doesn't seem that bad it's the Saudi component that's retarded.
>>18073 Taliban Islam and Saudi Islam both come from the same philosophical branch of 1920s Indian/Bangladesh Islam IIRC, however their interpretations are different. Overall I would say that the Taliban's Islam is much more western friendly when not at war. >>18072 It's possible. That's originally what led up to 9/11 in the first place was Saudi influence. It's going to come down to how much Iran wants them as an ally. Theologically Afghanistan is closer to Saudi Arabia than to Iran, however politically their process is closer to that of Iran. That being said, the Taliban are angry because Iran is deporting Afghan soldiers by plane back to Kabul when they flee to Iran (per Ghani's request), and Iran hasn't gotten over some of the terrorist shit that the Taliban pulled in the 90s over in Iran even if the Tehran officials claim they have. I'm going to cautiously say that Iran and Afghanistan have more to gain as allies than Saudi Arabia and Afganistan right now, but the ground situation will be up to personal grudges and who can let go of them.
>>18054 >Administration and military officials still insist that the fall of Kabul could be prevented if the Afghans can put up more resistance. Don't they mean any resistance? Not that they will when you hear news of even the warlords getting captured. So why would some undertrained and underpaid soldier for the corrupt Afghan government fight to the death for a government everyone in the world are betting on the exact date it collapses?
>>18076 Inb4 Tamerlane 2 emerges from the caves of Afghanistan
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>>18084 All things considering it went pretty well.
>>18086 The repercussions meant everyone in south america started stocking weapons and made the commies more paranoid, which led to some bad conditions in the mountains that then led to more direct confrontations, giving place to Shining Path with a full rage boner and FARC being more stealthy, which helped them when americans also softly invaded Colombia to battle the cartels' steep increase in prices for the american market
>>18088 Like I said.
The Taliban has started hitting the outskirts of Kabul. All roads are cut, only route out is by air through Kabul Airport, which is also where the US evacuation is being staged. Governmental figures fleeing to Uzbekistan by helicopter.
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>>18102 US negotiators are putting out diplomatic recognition of the Taliban as a possible concession if they allow the evacuation to be completed. Meanwhile China is preparing to recognize the Taliban if they're willing to do business with them, namely, if they allow a railroad to be built through Afghanistan linking them to Iran. Glowies have been outplayed.
>>18102 how is China reacting to this? Does the Taliban advancements affect any projects on the road and belt initiative?
>>18104 Afghan army units have defected, remaining US citizens in Afghanistan warned to be wary of any military or police personnel. Biden coping live on air saying it was the Afghan army's fault for not putting up a fight, that more US involvement wouldn't have made a difference, and that he saved the country from having the war passed on to yet another presidency.
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>>18106 He unironically is not wrong. The Afghan government was way too corrupt and cowardly to fight against the odds. Compare to say Syria where the situation was just as bad at the start of the civil war but they fought for every inch to get where they are today.
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>>18105 >Meet the 5 Nation Railway Connecting China & Iran (and beyond to Turkey). Taliban capture of Mazar-e Sharif puts the whole Afghan segment under Taliban control. China will recognize Taliban if Taliban does business with China https://web.archive.org/web/20210814212020/https://twitter.com/michaeltanchum/status/1426622262875205635 Analysis: As Taliban advances, China lays groundwork to accept an awkward reality >BEIJING, Aug 14 (Reuters) - A series of photos published last month by Chinese state media of Foreign Minister Wang Yi standing shoulder to shoulder with visiting Taliban official decked out in traditional tunic and turban raised eyebrows on the country's social media. >Since then, China's propaganda machinery has quietly begun preparing its people to accept an increasingly likely scenario that Beijing might have to recognize the Taliban, the hard line Islamist movement that is rapidly gaining territory in Afghanistan, as a legitimate regime. >"Even if they can't control the whole country, they would still be a significant force to reckon with", an influential social media commentator known to be familiar with China's foreign policy thinking wrote on Thursday. The commentator, who goes by the pen name Niutanqin, or "Zither-Playing Cow", made the remarks on his WeChat channel. >On Friday, the Global Times, a major state-backed tabloid, published an interview with the leader of an Afghan opposition party who said "the transitional government must include the Taliban". >The Taliban's momentum as U.S. forces withdraw is awkward for China, which has blamed religious extremism as a destabilizing force in its western Xinjiang region and has long worried that Taliban-controlled territory would be used to harbour separatist forces. >But China also hews to a policy of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries. >Last month's meeting in the northern Chinese city of Tianjin followed a similar visit by a Taliban delegation in 2019, but comes as the group is much more powerful, with Wang saying he hoped Afghanistan can have a "moderate Islamist policy". >"Isn't this the same Taliban that blew up the Buddhas of Bamiyan in front of world media? Shouldn't we have a bottom line?" a Chinese netizen commented on the Twitter-like Weibo below a news clip showing Wang standing next to a Taliban official. >PRAGMATIC CHINA >In dealing with the Taliban, an increasingly powerful China may be able to leverage the fact that, unlike Russia or the United States, it has never fought them. >When the Taliban were last in power between 1996-2001, China had already suspended relations with Afghanistan, having pulled out its diplomats in 1993 following the outbreak of civil war. >"This is us being pragmatic. How you want to rule your country is largely your own business, just don't let that affect China," said Lin Minwang, a South Asia expert with Shanghai's Fudan University. >"When a major Asian power like China shows it recognizes Taliban's political legitimacy by meeting them so openly, it is giving the Taliban a big diplomatic win," Lin said. >State media published at least two analytical stories this week highlighting that Afghanistan had been the "graveyard of empires" and cautioning China not to be mired in the "Great Game", reinforcing a message that China harbours neither the intentions of sending troops into Afghanistan nor the illusion that it can fill the power vacuum left by the United States. >After their meeting with Wang, the Taliban said they hope China can play a bigger economic role. >"This shows that China might have dangled promises of economic aid and investment to a post-war Afghanistan as a carrot to encourage both sides to stop fighting and reach a political settlement," said Zhang Li, a professor of South Asian studies at Sichuan University. >The risks to China of regional instability were highlighted last month when 13 people, including nine Chinese workers, were killed in Pakistan in a suicide bombing on a bus. China is building massive infrastructure projects in Pakistan under its Belt & Road initiative. >"China's number one priority is for the fighting to stop, as chaos breeds religious extremism and terrorism," Zhang said. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814083413/https://www.reuters.com/world/china/taliban-advances-china-lays-groundwork-accept-an-awkward-reality-2021-08-14/
>>18110 >China is preparing to recognize the Taliban once Kabul falls. Beijing has already secured agreements with Taliban during their visit to China. There were also Taliban visits to Russia and Iran. Now the EU is threatening Taliban with 'isolation' if they seize power in Afghanistan. https://web.archive.org/web/20210813092612/https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1426112797067337729
>>18110 >The Taliban's momentum as U.S. forces withdraw is awkward for China, which has blamed religious extremism as a destabilizing force in its western Xinjiang region and has long worried that Taliban-controlled territory would be used to harbour separatist forces. It would be quite something if the Saudis used this opportunity to start spread wahhabism among the Uyghurs, and down the road ww3 starts with the chink navy blockading Saudi-Arabia in retaliation.
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AUGUST 14th: >Jalalabad, the last major city standing other than Kabul will be handed over to Taliban tomorrow without a shot being fired. The governor & tribal leaders negotiated an agreement after NDS 02 Brigade refused to surrender. The brigade has agreed to leave for Kabul. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221353/https://twitter.com/bashirgwakh/status/1426656158841024514 >Kabul wont fall till foreigners evacuate and give an all clear. Everything else has fallen. You guys can all take a bathroom break for now. https://archive.is/xEQK6 https://twitter.com/worqas/status/1426626603208032262 >It's over. Momentum is with the Taliban. Local leaders see where things are headed and are laying down their arms. The Taliban are closing on Kabul and may not have to use violence (modelling themselves on Mohammed's conquest of Mecca) https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221607/https://twitter.com/robcrilly/status/1426654214609113089 >Watching an entire government collapse in real time is an indescribable feeling. 20 years of war - my entire life - finally comes to an embarrassing end. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221443/https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1426656890373746695 >The Pentagon spent $88 billion dollars training the Afghan Army for 20 years. It collapsed in 1 month. https://archive.is/WZr56 https://twitter.com/tagabhishek/status/1426651497333288960 >Taliban is at a 20-km distance to the Kabul International Airport, which is guarded by the Turkish military. With the presence of US troops, it will be safe for few days. But hard to see what Ankara’s next steps will be. Erdogan government is totally silent. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221509/https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1426657806309023744 >TB's leadership says if Turkish troops do not withdraw from Afghanistan by the end of August, they will all be killed. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221510/https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1426656124841959426 >Utilities are cut in #Kabul. Total darkness tonight. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814214120/https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1426654535339098122 >“In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the U.S. pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore.” https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221709/https://twitter.com/sommervilletv/status/1426650522510036992 >Only a commando corps and an army division in Kabul are still under government’s control. The rest joined TB. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221725/https://twitter.com/lilygrutcher/status/1426647561285287937 >The U.S. military has a very real predicament. It must now evacuate the embassy in Kabul, via Hamid Karzai International Airport. What happens when Afghans grasp the gravity of the situation, the airport is swarmed? This is why it needed to keep Bagram open. >Will the U.S. be able to rely on Afghan security forces to maintain a perimeter when it folded under the weight of the Taliban offensive? What happens if U.S. troops have to do the job? If the evacuation isn't done quickly, this can get real ugly, real fast. >I suggest looking at a Google Earth map of Kabul. The airport is in the city. It is a short ride from the city center to the airport. There are neighborhoods near it. If you've been there, you know what I mean. If there is a press of Afghans to get out, it will get dangerous. >If the Taliban coming into rocket/artillery range, the chaos and panic will be incalculable. This is why the evac of the embassy had to happen a month ago. @SecBlinken will own this one. @StateDept's insistence on keeping embassy open was wrong all along. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221847/https://twitter.com/billroggio/status/1426617207606362118 >Watch Kabul's airport. It's a single point of failure for the entire US operation. Lose that before the evacuation is complete and NATO will be negotiating the terms of their surrender (reparations to the Taliban). >Noise and distractions to watch for: >1) fake attempts at negotiating >2) maneuvers aimed at secondary objectives >3) fake announcements of a ceasefire or a change in direction https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221821/https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1426561986075185162 >Nightmare (but still very possible) scenario for ongoing evacuations in #Kabul. >If the #Taliban encircles the U.S. embassy and HK Intl Airport, then evacs may very well be conducted under fire. Marines and soldiers will then have to conduct non-combatant evacuation operations (NEO) with the risk of very Somolia-like outcomes. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814221833/https://twitter.com/MichaelDeMatteo/status/1426662514679586820
>>18106 What makes the whole thing sillier is that Pentagon is panic-vomiting atleast 3000 more troops to Kabul airfield. Why? No one knows. I do not believe it should be military's problem if civilians and contractors are too incompetent to read the writing on the wall and gtfo in time. But I guess globohomo is too scared of potential SAIGON'd memes in FullHD.
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>>18114 They're afraid.
>>18113 Update: Turks decided to withdraw.
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Biden's sage foresight from July. Also ISIS has decided to attack the Taliban for mogging them.
Who's here thinking the Taliban wait for the NATO forces and embassy staff to fully fuck off before taking Kabul?
>>18122 That would make the most sense. Why bother fighting people who are already fucking off and waste resources and fighters for no good reason.
>>18118 Why is the Afghan army so incompetent anyway? You would think that they would be fighting for their very lives.
>>18128 I think it has more to do with the Afghan government being so incompetent that it's truly not worth fighting for. There were reports that they weren't even getting paid or fed before the Taliban started the offensive. So rather than die fighting for a government that will collapse anyways, they'll just defect to the side that will win and actually provide them with benefits.
Can't wait to hear that fuck Ghani already fled. Would be the greatest irony for some refugee fleeing the Taliban shanks him for fucking him up wherever he is. >>18118 The funny thing is that webm is even outdated since the Taliban now own everything but the center of Kabul.
>20 years >4 presidents >73,000+ deaths, not including civilians >$2.2 trillion spent >back to square one with absolutely no change it's a bittersweet end of an era, no more burgers going to a desert shithole to get their limbs blown off, yet all those that did and are now dead or crippled see absolutely no gains. all those that got a taste of not living in a desert shithole under psycho jihadists are now, once again, living in a desert shithole under psycho jihadists. life sucks
>>18122 There's no need to. It's not Taliban's problem if zogbots are too incompetent to do a proper evacuation quickly enough. They'll just take Kabul, excluding the airfield, but the fact is that president has already resigned, and order must be maintained in the city. So if someone is going to stir up shit it's up to US to do so.
>>18128 On average 600 afghan adult males flee to Turkey every day, All the possible soldiers are running away and Turkey takes them with open hands. USA promised them a neverland if they fight taliban 20 years ago and that neverland is not in Afghanistan. I think they are building a afghanistan they can just take over and media will just shut the fuck up. Kinda unrelated to the thread but why is it always Turkey when it comes to USA dumping biological waste. It was that way with kurds, syrians and now afghans. Does the nose tribe hate the roach tribe?
>>18128 its not necessarily that they're all incompetent, they surrender because everyone else seems to be surrendering and they don't want to be the only soldier left, taking on the whole taliban. Its called a rout, it happens all the time, even to armies that are perfectly brave and loyal.
do we have any webcam feeds live from kabul? I checked insecam.org but none there.
>>18128 >Why is the Afghan army so incompetent anyway? The entire Afghan state created after 9/11 was a propaganda piece for the USA and nobody gave a shit to take care that it could live on it's own. 1. Afghanistan was a tribal civil war shithole and the USA did nothing about changing the tribal culture of Afghanistan. 2. Radical Islam is entrenched into the Afghan population, the USA did nothing to fight the cultural war against Islam. All they did was dazzle some part of the population with Western degeneracy and hoping they would stop being radical muslims. 3. The Taliban have their origin in Pakistan and are supported by Pakistan. The USA does not kick Pakistan in the balls. 4. Afghanistan is split between radical religious nutjobs on one side and criminal tribal drug cartels on the other. All the USA did was install some of those criminal leaders into positions of governmental power and call it a democracy. 5. The official reason for the USA to be in Afghanistan was a bold faced lie from day one and now that Afghanistan has lost it's value they are simply leaving it like the rats that they are.
>>18134 Turkey is the first stop to Europe from the eastern route. They'll move to culturally enrich western europe sooner or later. And while they're in Roachistan, Erdogan will use them to extort some more cash from the EU so he doesn't send them all at once.
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>>18140 >defending parks Is it a cultural thing? >Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Will they have an emir, at least as a figurehead?
>>18140 If afghans feared for their childs/women they wouldn't fled, i am unironically believing him in this. I think there will be some incidents but it won't be worse than what USA did to afghans all those years. I hate this faggy earth for making me agree with a jihadist.
You guys should've known this would've happened from the start. “establishment of a new broad-based, multi-ethnic, gender-sensitive, and fully representative government” was the exact goal of Congress -- there should have been outrage, if the world was mentally sane. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-107s2712rs/html/BILLS-107s2712rs.htm The Taliban attracted religious fanatics, built on a philosophy of asceticism, freedom from hostile conquerors -- strong men The Afghan National Army was built on a philosophy of "we'll give you money if you fight for what we say is important and pay lip service to ACWE ideals" -- resulting in the dumb, undisciplined, weak men that broke as soon as the puppeteers left and the state stopped being propped up through drones, bombers and various flavors of light vehicle 20 years 2.2 TRILLION$ in taxpayer dollars spent Thousands of good men dead For nothing What a load of fucking HORSESHIT
>>18128 In the early days of the US pullout Ghani consolidated his troops in Kabul and left the outskirt regions to rot. Then he refused to deliver supplies to what was the new outer border while they died like dogs for his sake or had to surrender after running out of food/ammunition because Ghani was banking on using a fortress hostage situation to stay in power. It's not surprising that the military just dropped their weapons.
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And it is over. Taliban entering Kabul since everyone from government to police ran away. Shit is apparently getting hairy at the airport, and we will see if Biden his handlers really decide we need to be there another 10 years or not. https://archive.is/wip/zG6lr
>>18145 >Ghani Don't forget that they originally didn't have much morale... Has anyone found the video of the Taliban dancing in a armory they captured? I've heard rumors of the video but cannot find it.
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>>18147 Found the videos One of them is the armory video. God it's mouth watering if I could have something like that. Second one is a Taliban getting punished for lack of trigger disipline.
>>18143 Daily reminder that if Americans who were leaving Afghanistan were allowed to bring back even a single bullet home those armories wouldn't be in jihadist hands right now. They would be in American civilian hands. You may now begin screaming in pure anger.
>>18139 >Turkey is the first stop to Europe from the eastern route. Faggots in Europe are already talking how we should take in people (and their families) who helped Nato Forces without much question and how we should accept a "new" migrant wave from Afghanistan. Luckly Merkels time is at an end in Germany and there is a federal election in Germany in September, so the establishment isn't hot in making a public statement of taking people in.
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S I wonder if a gaggle of covert conspirators in the US Minecraft server discord admin will send Pres. Bidup and some of his friends who went past their expirement date into Chair force one and then crash a converted drone F-5 MiG-28 "MiG-21" into it with no survivors on 9/11/21 to gain a legitimate casus belli for new Coronavirus restrictions because the Taliban air force is unvaccinated and can't be detected by western AA by virtue of Spike protein emissions, the horror.
>>18149 >>18148 Meant to reply to this one, oops.
>>18143 >Thousands of good men dead I hope you don't mean the ZOGbots.
>>18148 >>taliban members care about trigger disipline more than mutt pigs This is actually eye opening, i wonder when they will start getting power drung and murdering the peasant.
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>>18154 Does the Taliban have any particular beef with NATO fags outside of the US and the UK+Canuckistan? I wonder if some of the embassy evacuations are even necessary, what would they gain from beheading German or Italian embassy personnel?
>>18148 >Afghanistan: Strelok's Paradise
can someone explain what the fuck ISIS are doing there?
>>18161 Trying to do durka things and stuff.
>>18161 Power vacuum
>>18161 Isreal probably isnt too happy about the taliban take over, so they sent their soldiers in to disrupt.
>>18161 They are everywhere in the Middle East amongst the Salafist muslims. Since they where the hip and cool thing in 2014 some Salafist Ex-Taliban and Pakistanis created their own little pockets in Afghanistan that went mostly unopposed by the NATO Forces and Afghan Government, just local militia and the Taliban fought to contain them.
>>18164 someone remind me how ISIS and Israel are related?
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August 15th >Biden, July 8: "There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the—of the United States from Afghanistan....The likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely." https://web.archive.org/web/20210815183331/https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1426913479785603072 >BREAKING: @CBSNews reports that the US Ambassador to #Afghanistan has fled the embassy in #Kabul with the US flag. https://archive.is/nBkrx https://twitter.com/HSajwanization/status/1426930791301455872 >NEW - after some confusion, the @StateDept website has now published this new security alert: - Reports of airport taking fire at #Kabul Airport - All U.S. citizens shelter in place https://web.archive.org/web/20210815173119/https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/1426934993503277061 >The skies of Kabul have been filled with US Black Hawk, Chinook CH-47 and Apache attack helicopters. An official says US Embassy officials and other staff are being evacuated to Kabul’s airport. This is a brutally sad day for Afghanistan. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190210/https://twitter.com/meekwire/status/1426890219857534976 >Capital Kabul right now, Traffic blocked, everyone is in a hurry and are rushing to their homes. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190238/https://twitter.com/IamObaidRahimi/status/1426842466427211776 >•Taliban now has all the border crossings in Afghanistan •Government buildings are being evacuated in Kabul as Taliban continues toward the capital •People in Kabul rushed to banks to withdraw all their money •British ambassador will be airlifted by end of today from Kabul https://web.archive.org/web/20210815072132/https://twitter.com/nafisehkBBC/status/1426806229741998086 >#BREAKING Two #Taliban officials tell Reuters there will be no transitional government in #Afghanistan, the group expects a complete handover of power https://archive.ph/1mWFw https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1426925094803279873 >As the news of President Ashraf Ghani’s departure spreads in the city, the Taliban order their men to enter the city and take charge - A part of Kabul does fireworks. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190624/https://twitter.com/AnasMallick/status/1426918023747735558 >If the Taliban take full control and the fighting ends, it will be the first time Afghanistan has not been at war since 1978. That's right, 43 years of non-stop conflict. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190644/https://twitter.com/gregmyre1/status/1426906292380217348 >#Taliban fighters must enter Kabul to prevent looting after local police deserted their posts, according to the group. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190711/https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1426911925024305155 >Taliban forces which have entered Kabul warn looters, marauders and rapists that they will be punished on the spot https://archive.ph/APq26 https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1426939816210538502 >Image: Afghan Taliban fighters trample an American flag for the cameras after seizing control of the Bagram Air Base area north of the Afghan capital Kabul. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190719/https://twitter.com/IntelTweet/status/1426908010593628161 >It's like the levers of the US Government have been spinning Afghanistan for so long they don't know how to stop. Guys, just stop." https://archive.ph/ej5FP https://twitter.com/DavidLarter/status/1426907085107720192 >One Taliban commander said the government forces' collapse started as soon as U.S. forces started withdrawing "as they didn't have any ideology except fleecing the Americans. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815190858/https://twitter.com/ReutersZengerle/status/1426894492821594112 >"If there is war, I am the commander in chief. I will not abandon my people," @ashrafghani told @IAmAmnaNawaz three months ago. "I am willing to die for my country." https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191053/https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1426939911177969666 >With the Taliban in control of all of Afghanistan, it should be noted how much better armed/equipped they are compared to '96-'01. Everything in the ANA arsenal (10,000+ Humvees, thousands of armoured vehicles, MRAPs, helicopters &amp; planes, 100k+ small arms) is now in their hands https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191105/https://twitter.com/HKaaman/status/1426920597855121408 ///
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>>18159 >No OC Have some shitty OC The sad part is that shits all illegal in the US, esp what I suspect those to be NODS/FLIR at the end. Looks like ANG is defecting to Iran. Journals claim that they are caring high tech shit Iran wants their hands on but I see only humvees.
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>>18172 >British Airways has ordered pilots to avoid Afghan airspace because of deteriorating security there. Other airlines are likely to implement similar restrictions, which will cause significant disruption to what is a main corridor for airlines heading to India and the Far East. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191200/https://twitter.com/skymarkwhite/status/1426937574359191554 >The American flag at the US embassy in Kabul has been taken down, marking a final step in the embassy evacuation, source tells me. State Dept Spox said on Thurs that the US drawdown of diplomats was not an evacuation. Now, 3 days later, the evac is on the verge of completion. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191146/https://twitter.com/kylieatwood/status/1426936549942378500 >U.S. officials say they are considering whether more troops are needed to be sent to Afghanistan to help with evacuation, but added that at some point airport capacity could become an issue. Roughly 5,000 troops have already been authorized, but 3,000 on standby in Kuwait. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191323/https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1426935938408669185 >Internet in Kabul is starting to go down. Taliban may plunge our allies into complete communications blackout. Dark days coming. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191420/https://twitter.com/mattczeller/status/1426958374722232321 >Starting to hear calls already from former US officials for @POTUS to shake up his team as a result of the #Afghanistan debacle. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191628/https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1426959040333193223 >The lesson of history is that politicians don’t learn from history. They ignore historians and keep making the same avoidable mistakes. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191801/https://twitter.com/FXMC1957/status/1426860965589667843 >Insane footage from the tarmac of KBL shows people boarding a C-17. No order. Total chaos. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815174632/https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1426948508289011712 >#BREAKING All commercial flights suspended from #Kabul airport, only military aircraft allowed to operate: NATO official >Thus places the responsibility of evacuation ENTIERLY on the US/allies. With the footage we just saw from the tarmac, that may not be a good thing... https://web.archive.org/web/20210815191813/https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1426954988736155650 >Kabul's Saigon moment (all over town): A thousand passengers are attempting to board a plan destined for Istanbul (that can only take 300). Absolute mayhem at Kabul Airport. No security, no order... https://web.archive.org/web/20210815164813/https://twitter.com/saadmohseni/status/1426942627174301699 >Statement by the former President of Afghanistan who ran away leaving his countrymen behind at the mercy of the Taliban. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815192414/https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/status/1426975477076426757 >Taliban are reciting prayers from the Quran in Kabul's Presidential Palace tonight. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815192412/https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/1426978566772826115 >“I was detained in Guantanamo bay camp for several years”, says one of the Taliban leader inside the presidential palace in #Kabul. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815192507/https://twitter.com/Majd_Khalifeh/status/1426975578431819778 >Taliban fighters rolling Kabul admin flag in Presidential Palace. Dramatic live visuals on Al Jazeera. https://archive.ph/xvrhc https://twitter.com/AakashHassan/status/1426979346141437952 >Mujahideens are not allowed to enter someone's home, or to harass or annoy anyone, and citizens of #Kabul should not feel any fear from them, the #Taliban statement said. https://web.archive.org/web/20210815193030/https://twitter.com/pwidakuswara/status/1426934159906414601 >#Taliban now broadcasting over TV in #Kabul. In this clip, a Taliban soldier is "reassuring" the people of Kabul that they are safe. (ht @Natsecjeff). https://web.archive.org/web/20210815193341/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1426988070528851973
Kabul Airport is being swarmed with civvies due to the absolute lack of a security perimeter and the visa application site has crashed.
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>>18054 >The U.S. Embassy is offering "repatriation loans" That's peak jewry
>>18158 They bombed italians all the time so maybe they don't like them that much either
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this has appeared on the wikipedia page so I guess its official now god I hate glowies so much, its not fair, I wanna know what's going too, tell meeeeeeeeeee
>>18132 >all those that got a taste of not living in a desert shithole under psycho jihadists are now, once again, living in a desert shithole under psycho jihadists. Welp, on the plus side fren, at the least they're no longer living in a desert under psycho commies and their globohomo vagino-anal agenda? I'd say they are coming out ahead tbh.
>>18143 >You guys should've known this would've happened from the start. But...we did know, Strelok. The only surprise is that King Nigger wasn't the one to pull the trigger. I suppose the kikes running ZOG figured they could use it as a talking point once they had the demon woman installed and rampaging around the planet. Oh well, w/e.
>>18172 >Everything in the ANA arsenal (10,000+ Humvees, thousands of armoured vehicles, MRAPs, helicopters &amp; planes, 100k+ small arms) is now in their hands Will they sell it or become Iran's armed forces Sunni edition?
>>18158 >Does the Taliban have any particular beef with NATO fags outside of the US and the UK+Canuckistan? France launched roughly as many bombs as the US did so they're likely angry at the frogs.
Looks like reports are the 82nd are at the Airport right now. It'll be intresting to see if we get a PR disaster because apparently lethal force was used on civvies trying to board the plane. >>18183 Considering that there's a biparitsan shitting on Biden rn, I think kamekameha is not far from the coveted Oval Office Desk. I'd bet that Biden "dies" right after this ends and before impeachment so it is immediately buried >>18184 >sell it More like end up fighting each other, considering the Afghanis aren't particularlly "unified". I made some more OC for this but it's been rendering for at least a day..... 720p HD really fucks my render rate over. Does anyone know of a good site to upload videos not youtube, since its sadly over 20MB until I render it again later.
>>18161 ISIS made breddy big gains in Afghanistan during their prime since America was in an advisory role at that time. The Taliban making a comeback was actually in response to ISIS originally.
>>18166 ISIS was funded, trained and armed by America and happened to only make gains against groups Israel doesn't like when they were big.
>>18170 >Family friendly >Yes
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US is cutting the ballast loose: >NEW: Biden admin has curtailed the number of flights to the US for Afghans who worked alongside the US as it prioritizes the evacuation of American personnel from the country, three sources familiar with the situation told CNN. https://web.archive.org/web/20210816010638/https://twitter.com/jmhansler/status/1427036532695834626 Pelosi: muh womyn >The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and his action. The Taliban must know the world is watching its actions. We are concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls. https://web.archive.org/web/20210816003013/https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1426937799446564870 >The militant group Taliban on Sunday said girls can go to school as long as they wear hijab and "Islamic Sharia laws are not neglected." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=oC039QkpY7c >Was it worth it, probably not. Did I lose my legs for nothing, looks like it. Did my mates die in vain. Yep. On my 11th Bangaversary it’s a very somber one. Many emotions going through my head, anger, betrayal sadness to name a few…. https://web.archive.org/web/20210814191201/https://twitter.com/Jack_Top4997/status/1426621862314921991
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THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF LABOUR https://twitter.com/AnnaMcMorrin/status/1427018947329724424 https://archive.is/56B11 >Afghan gov collapses >WOMEN MOST AFFECTED Almost true if the Taliban weren't murdering collaborators and men, and gays, and intellectuals.
>>18186 >kamekameha I meant Shillary, actually. But yeah, I shouldn't wonder if Usurper-in-Chief accidentallys 82 times to the back of the head before his first year is up.
>>18192 >rag cover pic Where's the diversity? Where's the vibrancy? After all it's current year, heads will roll for this... RAYCISS!
>>18193 >pic Effing.Awesome. TBH the mudshits actually do get a couple things right after all.
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>Ghani wrote this in the 80s when the Soviets were leaving Afghanistan
>>18198 And? Who gives a shit about the puppet? He has even less legitimacy than the Myanmar politicians in exile playing pretend government.
>>18199 >writes smack about a puppet regime collapsing >runs a puppet regime that collapses It's like poetry.
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Uzbeks had the Afghan National Army abandon their vehicles at the border. More spoils for the Talibs. Top Biden spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, 'out of the office' as Afghanistan falls to Taliban >White House press secretary Jen Psaki will have to circle back with reporters asking about the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan. >An email query from the Washington Examiner sent Sunday evening to President Joe Biden's top spokesperson prompted an automatic reply from Psaki's account that said she "will be out of the office" Sunday through next weekend. https://web.archive.org/web/20210816032804/https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-biden-spokeswoman-jen-psaki-out-office-afghanistan-falls-taliban
>>18200 Ah. I hadn't thought about it that way. That is pretty ironic.
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>>18201 US forces already low on food, toilet paper
Taliban already guaranteed Russian embassy safety.
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>>18179 And it's done.
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>>18200 >It's like poetry. YOU HAD ONE JOB BRO
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>>18210 >800 passengers confirmed to have been aboard a US C-17 out of Kabul, absolutely mental >I'm trying to wrap my head around this and can't. 800. This aircraft is meant for like, 200... MAXIMUM. https://web.archive.org/web/20210816050807/https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1427039368221442056
>>18211 Not that had to imagine based on pic 1 of >>18174
>>18176 >>18204 >it's not going to look like Saigon <actually manages to look worse than Saigon
>>18211 >>18212 How did they even manage to take off?
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>>18214 >That's only 10000 lbs under maximum cargo weight, assuming 200lbs per person with cargo. And they were packed tight, basically have to be standing shoulder to shoulder. If you're asking about clearing the runway, I have no idea. Apparently literal Jewish niggers managed to shove 1000 of themselves in a 747 before (setting the world record) so it's not impossible.
>>18216 >>18211 It may be very likely obesity isn't an issue unlike burgerland and malnutrition is an actual issue in AFG, my bet is that they had to toss most of their belongings, so I'd wager a guess most people had at most 170lbs and had only the clothes on their backs. Who wantsbet how many of those turn out to be jhadis that go and decide to religon of peace people in the US, causing justification for more draconian measures? I'll start the betting at 30%.
>>18216 They must have had a really light fuel load and made a short trip.
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Since it's the end of the "War in Afghanistan", I thought I'd upload something I've been working on for a while as some more OC. Pls send halp, it took me 2 days to render this shit. A kind reminder that the "war on terror" is neverending, despite what you may be told. >>18218 >light fuel Since they are going to the middle east proper (I think Oman or Qatar) They either need to refuel in Karachi, Lahore, Urumuqi (Oh the irony of shrilling Uigur rights when you borrow to use the airport run by the PLA). Theoretically, they could use a Khazak/Russian/other-istans airport but I think the Russians would just tell them to fuck off and "politely" nudge the national leaders via some diplomatic pressure, as would China. Obviously Iran airport out of the question unless I wasn't aware of another war starting.
>>18179 At last brothers; now that the american pig-dogs are gone we can now beat our wives in peace, inshallah.
Does anyone actually know whether bacha bazi and opium cultivation became more or less prevalent under the taliban’s first rule? I see lots of people with opinions, but no one with evidence.
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>>18225 Yes, bacha bazi declined considerably. One of the reasons the Taliban was founded was to stamp out bacha bazi in particular and child rape in general. From the kikepedia page of their founder at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omar#Forming_the_Taliban we see: >The practice of bacha bazi by warlords was one of the key factors in Omar mobilizing the Taliban. Reportedly, in early 1994, Omar led 30 men armed with 16 rifles to free two young girls who had been kidnapped and raped by a warlord, hanging him from a tank gun barrel. Another instance arose when in 1994, a few months before the Taliban took control of Kandahar, two militia commanders confronted each other over a young boy whom they both wanted to sodomize. In the ensuing fight, Omar's group freed the boy; appeals soon flooded in for Omar to intercede in other disputes. The Taliban's strong opposition to pedophilia was one of the reasons they initially gained so much support. The source of that claim is https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/10/28/bacha-bazi-an-afghan-tragedy/ from 2013 which reads: >The Taliban had a deep aversion towards bacha bazi, outlawing the practice when they instituted strict nationwide sharia law. According to some accounts, including the hallmark Times of London article “Kandahar Comes out of the Closet” in 2002, one of the original provocations for the Taliban’s rise to power in the early 1990s was their outrage over pedophilia. Once they came to power, bacha bazi became taboo, and the men who still engaged in the practice did so in secret. When you were told breathlessly of the Taliban throwing "LGBT men" from rooftops, that little boyrape-flavored bit of context was left out. Ousting the Taliban brought bacha bazi back in: >When the former mujahideen commanders ascended to power in 2001 after the Taliban’s ouster, they brought with them a rekindled culture of bacha bazi. Today, many of these empowered warlords serve in important positions, as governors, line ministers, police chiefs, and military commanders. You've no doubt read the anecdotes of American soliders hearing the cries of boys being buttfucked by Afghan Army officers and being told by officers not to interfere because "it's their culture". This did not go unnoticed: >The resurgence of bacha bazi since the Taliban’s defeat and the significant percentage of government, police, and military officials engaged in the practice has put the United States and its NATO allies in a precarious position. By empowering these sexual predators, the coalition built a government around a “lesser evil,” promoting often-corrupt pedophiles in lieu of the extremist, al Qaeda-linked Taliban. Most coverage of bacha bazi at this time left out the detail of it being hunted and suppressed by the Taliban, of course. Can't let slip that the big bad woman-hating terrorists were the ones stopping boys being buggered by Pashtuns who wanted to show off, and that the Coalition forces were acting to protect those who practiced the custom. As for opium cultivation? No idea.
>>18222 I enjoyed it Strelok. ffmpeg is about the only thing I can think of, but I'm guessing you're talking about an actual editing tool. I've used shotcut or kdenlive. Anyway thanks for the effort assembling it.
>>18226 Thanks, not him, but I appreciate the information. Glad to know they will be protecting those boys again. I'm sure the kikes are seething about that, obviously.
>>18226 >when you're the bad guys but you're also the good guys too >and that the Coalition forces were acting to protect those who practiced the custom. >20 years of little boys getting rear-ended because of the neocon military industrial complex Oh my God we actually are unironically GlobalHomo.
>>18226 >Can't let slip that the big bad woman-hating terrorists were the ones stopping boys being buggered by Pashtuns who wanted to show off, and that the Coalition forces were acting to protect those who practiced the custom. Not only that good news, but it seems that vehicular accidents are set to drop big time in the country, and not just b/c fewer IEDs. >Stronk, independynt """drivers""" on suicide watch.
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>>18230 >They are also searching for ex-Afghanistan government officials & military commanders. >>18226 >When the former mujahideen commanders ascended to power in 2001 after the Taliban’s ouster, they brought with them a rekindled culture of bacha bazi. Today, many of these empowered warlords serve in important positions, as governors, line ministers, police chiefs, and military commanders. >rekindled culture of bacha bazi >in important positions, as governors, line ministers, police chiefs, and military commanders
>>18222 Top stuff, Strelok. Good audio choice, too, though I might have gone with some older Funker Vogt, but that's just me.
>>18223 >At last brothers; now that the american pig-dogs are gone we can now beat our wives in peace, inshallah. Wasn't the official nickname given by the people of Afghanistan for the US troops "the jews"? Or was that Iraq?
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Is it wrong that I feel happy for the Taliban?
>>18234 That was Iraq.
>>18174 Why do so many Afghans look like Jesus?
>>18226 Capped for posterity. Did Saigon ever get so bad that people were holding onto landing gear as the planes were taking off?
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uuP2lVta7nU We should calm down a bit and really asses the situation >>18235 Not really but sort of >>18241 Can't really see anything in the video.
>>18235 >that face priceless
>>18241 >Did Saigon ever get so bad that people were holding onto landing gear as the planes were taking off? Maybe, people do weird shit when they're desperate. Does anyone know of actual video of such a thing?
>>18248 >it won't be Saigon <because it looks even worse Fate is a funny thing.
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>APNewsAlert: WASHINGTON (@AP) - US official: US military commander met face-to-face with Taliban to seek non-interference with Kabul airport evacuation. >NEW: Situation at the airport is “tenuous” and consideration is being given to pulling all Americans out and leaving the Afghans behind.  That decision has not been made but it is on the table and will need to be addressed if Us can’t get control of the airport. (Martin/Ruffini) >#Breaking: An Afghan military jet was shot down by Uzbek Air Defences as it violated the border: Uzbekistan Defense Ministry (RIA), via Reuters. >JUST IN - Taliban sitting and joking inside Parliament house in Afghanistan. One armed Taliban fighter takes the speaker seat.
I fucking love this. Are there any streams? Current situation for Germany: >Got all the Beer, Wine and Sparkling Wine out >Got all the troops and important embassy personal out >Only (((NGOs))) and "Journalists" still stuck in Kabul >almost no Afghan Helpers evacuated to Germany, because Afghans can't into German bureaucracy >Greens and Leftist cry their hearts out for "muh women rights and children" >people make fun of them by pointing out how it's all young men at the Kabul airport and make referneces to 2015 >Government ignores and blocks the Green and Leftist demands, afraid allowing Afghans to Germany will cause another 2015 and drive voters to the AFD >Government only planned to send airplains on monday to get the NGOs out despite the drastic situation, because lol fuck working we have weekend >after a massive shitstorm they send the airplans on sunday, but they are currently stuck i a neighbor country and can't land in Kabul because of all the durkas on the runway >Merkel's reign is at an end and she looks like the biggest retard in German history
>>18254 >first pic While i don't think americans really care about what the middle east folk think, no doubt this has been an absolute catastrophic event, optics-wise for both sides. While there hasn't been an "Nguyen executing Nguyen" photo there's plenty of "Saigon Helicopter" images for the world to laugh for weeks. Biden already outdid Donaldo.
>>18256 >Evacuating the beer before the NGOs Now that's what I call proper prioritization.
The latest: jets can't land due to civvies on the runway, and some were run over by a jet taking off.
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>>18241 >Did Saigon ever get so bad that people were holding onto landing gear as the planes were taking off? Not saying it was in any way better, but the evacuations began sometime in March, and the panic was largely relegated towards the very end of April, around the period of the 28th to the fall of Saigon on the 30th. The 25th saw the ban of civilian flights into South Vietnam (iirc Pan Am 747 left the day before marking last flight out), and fixed-wing evacuation by MAC planes from Tan Son Nhut Airbase was scratched after that was shelled and strafed by NVA and defected ARVN bombers so no fixed wing flights out. Mind you, this was an airbase ran by ARVN forces until the NVA assaulted on the 30th, and it would have been hard for civilians to just wander on. As for helicopters, by the time the last helicopter reached Saigon, the Marine guards left in the embassy had to pull back from the gates to the embassy roof, while thousands surrounding the embassy breaking in, and had to use CS gas and grenades (mostly to scare people off) to keep people from climbing up the stairs the roof. Polite sage
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>Taliban now controls half of the #Kabul international airport. >LIVE FROM KABUL: @RichardEngel reports the Taliban has "taken over the civilian side of the airport" while the U.S. military is evacuating from the military side. >GERMAN MILITARY EVACUATION AIRCRAFT COULD NOT LAND AT KABUL AIRPORT AND HAD TO DIVERT TO TASHKENT, UZBEHISTAN - GERMAN GENERAL >JUST IN - "Joe Biden's statement on Saturday washing his hands of Afghanistan deserves to go down as one of the most shameful in history by a Commander in Chief at such a moment of American retreat" - US media >This meme is inaccurate. The top photo is inside a private compound. The bottom is on the streets of Taliban held Kabul. I always wore a head scarf on the street in Kabul previously, though not w/ hair fully covered and abbaya. So there is a difference but not quite this stark.
This entire thing has been a complete shit show for Americans.
>>18263 >Polite sage No need for that, the thread is already autosaging.
Biden throwing the hat in.
>>18271 what happened today? What did Biden do or say? I just got home
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so do you think it will be better or worse overall for your average Muhammed trying to make a living in Backhairistan?
>>18254 >4th pic He didn't fly so good.
>>18266 One German plane managed to land in Kabul last night. They took 7 people. Liberals are buttblasted to hell about it because they didn't fill the plane with bearded women and 30 year old children.
>>18256 >>Merkel's reign is at an end and she looks like the biggest retard in German history She's very clearly one of the most evil, probably #1 actually as far as a government leader goes.
>>18280 I wonder how many of them will either escape to Tajikistan or try to throw support behind non Taliban warlords?
>>18222 The music is obviously C&C but which game? RA2?

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