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Middle East/Africa 2 for 1 special Strelok 11/15/2020 (Sun) 03:52:15 No.9172
Thread dedicated to conflicts involving Middle Eastern and African country's. We haven't had a middle east thread for months now so feel free to post some interesting developments that we may have missed during the threads absence. Just make sure that if you are posting old events have the date of the event listed as to not cause confusion. https://archive.is/pQiPv >Military Situation In Syria On November 13, 2020 >November 13, artillery of Turkish-backed forces shelled SDF positons north of Tal Tamar >November 13, clashes between SAA and Turkish-backed forces were erupted near Tadef >November 13, artillery Turkish-backed forces shelled SDF positions north of Minnagh airbase >November 13, Russian warplanes pounded militant targets near the village of Al-Barah >November 13, Russian forces struck areas near Idlib central prison with two Iskandar missiles, pro-militant sources speculated (the usage of Iskander missiles remains unconfirmed). https://archive.is/Xq8rk >Russian Missile, Air Strikes Hit Western Outskirts Of HTS-Held Idlib City >On November 13 afternoon, a missile struck the western outskirts of the northwestern Syrian city of Idlib, which is occupied by al-Qaeda-affiliated Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) https://archive.is/tOV8s >75 Syrian Soldiers, ISIS Terrorists Killed In Central Syrian Clashes In Last Two Weeks >"48 regime soldiers and allied militiamen were killed, while 27 ISIS members were killed,” the SOHR said in the report, “the death toll is expected to rise as some injured are in serious condition, amid reports of further fatalities" >Syrian government forces and their allies are carrying out combing operations in the outskirts of the Homs desert on a regular basis. However, they are yet to address the terrorist group’s well-established presence within the region.
Mean while in Ethiopia. >https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54942546 Eritrea and ethopia working togeather? Hot dammed the Tigray are about to get genocided unless the current ethopians are the retarded muslims and not the ones that beat the italians.
>>9172 What is the overall situation in Syria? Is ISIS really a threat, or just an excuse for Russia and Turkey to keep some troops stationed there?
>>9172 I'm still surprised ISIS is still a thing >>9180 I'm leaning on the latter, it's not like they have jungles or mountains to hide in.
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>>9178 >fellow Abyssinian slaughtering fellow Abyssinian I'm getting tired of these culturally-destructive wars while none are happening where they should. It's a stretch but all this conflict is being funded by the superpowers to divide and conquer people in the future.
>>9198 The sad part is that in Africa, the Ethiopians are the only ones with some kickass and historical truth to back it up. Remember that they claim the have the arc of the covenant and they continuously kick the asses of the "major" Egyptian power.... After the death of Hellenized Egypt, Ethiopia is the only real "civilization" in Africa that has withstood the test of time. I see Ethiopia similar to China. Eras of relative power and centralization followed by catastrophic warlordisim. The day that Ethiopia and Eritrea are united together with no insurgency will be another resurgence in power.
>>9180 >>9181 >I'm still surprised ISIS is still a thing >What is the overall situation in Syria? Is ISIS really a threat? I'm shocked they are still even active in the government controlled areas in Syria too Streloks. Obviously they are a shell of their former selves but it still seems they are ramping up attacks in the last couple of weeks. Again even yesterday there was another ISIS attack on some Syrian Security works in the southern Raqqa. https://archive.is/2kelz >Late on November 14, ISIS terrorists attacked fighters from the al-Qatirji security group, which guards government oil shipments in southern Raqqa >5 Security workers confirmed dead
>>9217 >I see Ethiopia similar to China. Eras of relative power and centralization followed by catastrophic warlordisim. That's how every civilization works.
>>9231 The thing is that they have a civilization to speak of, unlike most of africa.
>>9234 Indeed, most African kangdoms were the indirect result of the Arab trade routes creating spots of relative stability, meanwhile Ethiopia is a ˝self-sustaining˝ empire that unites (or at least tries to) a bunch of kingdoms and a plethora of ethnicities. Of course we have to remember that even in the 19th century they realized that Ethiopians have a Caucasian bone structure, and if we go with the out-of-Asia theory, then the Horn of Africa was the first place where new waves of humanity entered the continent, so they Ethiopians are really a lot more than the talking-walking apes in most other parts of Sub-Saharan Africa.
>>9235 Ironically the only other civilizations were in the medditeranian and were destroyed by the muslims, go figure. >Egypt Destroyed by the muslims >Tunisia, destroyed by rome, rekt again by muslims. >Mauritania the historical roman client state destroyed by berbers and muslims. Ironically Tunisia is going on a pro-western slant. Guess phonetican blood is still within them. They got rid of sharia and outlawed you beating your wife as the quran demands.
>>9247 I don't want to start a needless argument here, but by civilization I mean the Spenglerian term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West#Spengler's_Cultures Do note that kikepedia is not as reliable as actually reading his work. He doesn't rule out the existence of civilizations not mentioned by him, and he even said how his model could be used to identify newly discovered civilizations. In my opinion Ethiopia counts as a civilization on its own because it went through the long development progress that gives unlife to a civilization. Meanwhile places like Tunisia and Mauritania are just states that belong to a civilization or an other, and not civilizations on their own right. And based on what I know, it looks like Japan is actually a civilization of its own, but it's so thoroughly influenced by the Sinic and later the Faustian civilization that it's hard to notice it.
>>9249 >arguing It's not a needless argument, I was wondering what you meant by civilization. Always good to have logical discourse. >Japan Technically japan is special because they are like Russia, fused "culture" of its own right that does not belong to either the western nor the sintic sphere completely. and technically they belong in the western and the sintic civilizations at the same time, with the drawbacks and strengths of both
>>9252 In that case, I think there exist things I'd call ˝civilizational attainments˝, a bunch of things that are the product of a civilization, but can be taken up by other civilizations. Basically what the word meme originally meant, but on a larger scale. It can be something relatively simple, like how to make bronze, to relatively complicated things, like the Western civilization's university system. For example, coins are actually a surprisingly new invention, and the Egyptian civilization (which actually seems to be the last remnant of the bronze age civilization of the Mediterranean, the other parts were destroyed by the bronze age collapse) had a perfectly functional economy that didn't use what we'd recognize as money, because it was based on barter. Even when Greek coins appeared, they were merely integrated to the barter system. An other good example would be the alphabet: according to modern research nearly all alphabets are the descendants of the Sumerian cuneiform in a way or an other, because it was easy to import and adapt that, and in a way it got both more primitive and yet more functional, until Phoenicians turned it into an adjad, and then that turned into a proper alphabet. So writing survived the collapse of several civilizations. Now, in the case of Japan, the presence of an older and much more developed civilization (the Sinic) meant that as they became more-and-more sophisticated they could import more-and-more of these civilizational attainments without developing an alternative of their own. But that only started to happen once they became a civilization, so it had little to no effect on the underlying culture. A similar thing happened with the Western and the Classic civilization: we got many things from Rome, so instead of developing out own things we just used what we found among the ruins. Spengler writes quite a lot about this, and one of the examples he brings up is intellectual property: Roman law doesn't deal with this, because the whole concept of intellectual property is beyond their understanding. And that's why we have all these problems with copyright laws. He basically identified the source of many of our woes in the 1910s! But there is one key difference between the Japanese and Western civilization: our chief source of civilizational attainments was already gone when we started the long process that turns a high culture into a civilization, and the next closest existing civilization was the Arabic, and we didn't have a good relationship with it. We still got quite a lot of civilizational attainments nevertheless, but not enough to seriously affect our own development. Japan was simply not that lucky, so they indeed got nearly all of their civilizational attainments from China, but again, that didn't change the underlying culture, even if it means that they became a part of the Sinic civilization. It's the same how all that fapping to Graeco-Roman ideas didn't turn us into Romans.
>>9223 So long as Turkey needs oil. ISIS will not cease to exist. ISIS was always and now remains a security group for ensuring Turkey can keep illegally extracting oil out of Syria.
>>9257 >>9252 >Japan I'm going to shill smug's thread on this matter since they like discussing these things. https://smuglo.li/a/res/756253.html
>>9265 I was thinking about writing a few of my thoughts there, but I will need some time to gather them into a coherent post.
>>9257 >He basically identified the source of many of our woes in the 1910s! The more i read about him the more uncanny it guess, guess i should actually read the guy
>>9267 He also predicted that in the 21st century Europe won't be able to turn into an empire, the closest thing is going to be an economic union. Again, that is entirely correct.
We're getting into massive sage territory but ah fuck it. >>9257 >japan getting all it's civilizational attainments from China. I heavily disagree with that. Japan has evolved completely distinct from China due to its lack of a direct (land) trade route and relative isolation. It's a divergent evolution that evolves close parallels, but completely distinct. This is different from say, Korea/Vietnam where they claim to hate the Chinese, but would not have a true culture without it. The japanese can claim to have their own civilization even IF they were cut off from the Chinese perpetually. >>9268 >Europe as an empire A single EU nationstate no. But mutiple seperate empire possible. I'd guess it be something like the follows: >Russia and the slavs maybe polish commonwealth again in eastern europe >France and the Romance speaking language states, romanian excluded >Germany and the Germanic languages with the Scandis, maybe England (probably not) >balkans still a dumpster fire. >>9265 >japan thread Strelok I cannot provide much information in regards to Japan itself. However, if you want input on sintic culture and it's historical basis alongside its history that seems confusing to someone from the west I'll gladly do that. Anyways back on topic >Houthis rebels in Yemen said Sunday that 200 captives would be released by the government, while the group would release 101 during prisoner swap negotiations in Jordan. >Abdul Qader al-Murtaza, the head of Houthi Captive Affairs, said in a statement broadcast on Houthi-owned Al-Masirah television that rebels would also release the president’s brother, Nasser Mansour Hadi, during talks Thursday in Jordan. Measure of desperation, or deliberate detente?
>BREAKING >US military commanders are anticipating that a formal order will be given by President Trump as soon as this week to begin a further withdrawal of US troops in #Afghanistan and #Iraq before Trump leaves office on January 20th, according to two US officials familiar. >The Pentagon has issued a notice on to commanders known as a “warning order” to begin planning to drawdown US troops to 2,500 troops in #Afghanistan & 2,500 in #Iraq by Jan 15, the officials said. >Currently there are approximately 4,500 US troops in #Afghanistan & 3,000 troops in #Iraq. >The move goes against the recommendation of military commanders who have long argued that any additional withdrawals should be conditions based and that the situation does not currently merit and additional drawdowns. #Iraq #Afghanistan >Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller sent a seemingly contradictory message to the force saying the United States must continue its battle against al #Qaeda and the terrorist forces behind 9/11 while also saying it was time to bring troops home. #Iraq #Afghanistan https://archive.is/0Co83 https://twitter.com/HamdiAlkhshali/status/1328410602243551236
>>9284 Reading the hashes was an ill experience.
>>9284 >drawdown I guarantee you the generals will not do it. Some "attack" will occur and they will justify the delay. Trumps also being hyped as a lame duck since he's lost the election, so if you haven't realized recently most agencies are not really listening to him.
>>9317 >since he's lost the election, What makes you so sure of that friend? Been swigging too much of the media spin koolaid?
>>9321 I should have put quotes around lost. Regardless, I'm not confident of the courts willing to invalidate stuff due to blackstones ratio and what I think is a really shitty argument by his legal teams. I want him to march on rome like sulla
>>9317 There is a legal basis in the military in which Trump can effectively fire any Military General who doesn't follow through on an order unless the order is objectively unconstitutional or impossible. Pulling out is neither and could potentially force Biden into another war in a year's time. A "terrorist" attack on a mass scale is the only thing they could use to justify staying, and even then most of the "terrorist" groups still remaining just want the USA out/have ceasefire agreements. If that happens (disobeying orders) it's career-ender for career military politicians. If a terrorist cell hits, it's 100% guaranteed a CIA operation or friendly fire. Assuming Trump even follows through, anyways.
>Senior Syrian General, Eleven Soldiers Killed In New ISIS Ambush In Deir Ezzor >Major General Bashir Salim Ismail, commander of the SAA’s 137th Regiments also killed in the fight >No source on number of ISIS casualties https://archive.is/d7nsq
>>9348 F The Tanf colony is a disease.
At least it seems things are boiling over in many places. Morocco and the Polisario Front might end the 29 year ceasefire and go back to war. https://archive.vn/iHejw
>>9360 Have we started the fire?
>>9362 We never started the fire. It's always been burning.
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More news out of Syria and Afghanistan. >A field commander of the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) was reportedly killed in a Turkish drone strike on the northern Raqqa countryside >Kurdish Syrian sources acknowledged that Hassan Nidal Suleiman, originally from the northern al-Hasakah countryside, was killed. However, they didn’t provide any details on the incident Also form the same article >On November 21, heavy Turkish shelling targeted Ain Issa, where a centre of the Russian Military Police and several Syrian Arab Army positions are located. No human losses were reported as a result of the shelling If the Turks end up killing any Russians and Putin says fuck it and starts openly bombing turk bases in Syria how much of a Shit storm would that cause? https://archive.is/UYEaO >Turkish Proxies Suffered Several Attacks By ISIS And Kurdish Forces In Aleppo >On November 18, ISIS announced that its cells had assassinated Hussein al-Jabli, an officer of the Free Syrian Police in the Turkish-occupied city of al-Bab >On November 4, Hamdu Hamadi, a commander of the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army, was assassinated by ISIS in al-Bab >The Kurdish group (ALF) released a video showing recent attack with an improvised explosive device on a SUV carrying Turkish-backed militants in Afrin https://archive.is/Aonyc Now for some Afghanistan >ISIS Fired Dozens Of Rockets At Afghanistan’s Kabul >The Ministry of Interior Affairs said at least 23 rockets landed in the city of Kabul >The large-scale rocket attack claimed the lives of eight people and injured at least 31 others. The death toll from the attack will likely rise in the upcoming hours. https://archive.vn/nQFWM Something that I find really interesting is that the same time these rocket attacks took place the U.S. Secretary of State was landing in the capital of Qatari for more negotiations between the Afghan government and the Taliban. I wonder if the attack was meant to fuck with the peace talks that are already strained because the Afghan government and the Taliban don't trust each other at all Or another part could be to stop the withdrawal of U.S. forces form Afghanistan that was promised. Didn't even king nigger promise to withdraw troops around 6-7 years ago? Considering there is still violent clashes between the Taliban and government forces I doubt there will ever be peace as long as they try to force (((democracy))) in Afghanistan. Well lads between this, pissrael openly admitting to striking SAA positions, and Trumps talk about a farewell strike on Iran no matter who is declared president come January I expect more meddling and kikeiry to happen in the middle east for the foreseeable future.
>>9516 Remember what I said about a false flag in >>9317 ? Taliban has no reason to let the us withdraw, they need a common enemy and they want tacit chinese/russian support, the second the US pulls out it becomes five with fuckfest with russia, china, iran, pakistan, india all intervening with their intelligence agencies TBH though, the current afghan government doesn't deserve to rule, it can't even hold areas right outside kabul on a permanent basis.
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>>9516 >U.S. B-52 bombers from Minot AFB, N.D. deploy on ‘short-notice’ to Middle East Saturday for first time in months and days after U.S. announced it was pulling forces from Afghanistan and Iraq https://web.archive.org/web/20201122072906/https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1330215993017315329 https://twitter.com/LucasFoxNews/status/1330215993017315329
>>9518 Taliban is a largely educated religiously backed organization that burns opiates and wants Afghanistan to return to normalcy. They want the US out and there's a reason they hate ISIS. It's the warlords backed by the USA that want the military to stay.
>>9556 >normalcy You mean becoming a base for Pakistan, who funded them in the 90s in the hope of increasing their strategic depth in the event of a war with India.
>>9557 Does seem to be an improvement over being the CIA's poppy farm.

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