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Russo-Ukrainian War #31: Wagner strikes back ! Strelok 10/21/2023 (Sat) 14:36:45 No.57509
Only thing we need now are nukes and smooth bore muskets and we've seen it all! >Ukrainian spring summer counteroffensive has failed utterly, without achieving any of its goals. Recommended watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGGS25XFNHk&t=2839s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufouPCVEvdM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYtZCLBO9k >Russians are slowly chipping away at ukrainian push on Rabotine, at the moment without real results. >Ukrainians are attempting a push in Kherson region >through Dniepr >so far they have captured two villages by the shore >consensus is that it is a suicidal push >Ukrainians have struck russian air base in Berdyansk with ATACMS >lossess depend on who you ask, from 3 helicopters (initial russian claim) lost to 60 (ukrainian propaganda). Anywhere in the region of 9-30 seems reasonable for damaged craft (there is one word for destroyed and damaged in slavic languages) >most likely this is the only time when we see ATACMS, at least unless more are provided. >there were only 12 provided of the cluster munition variety, insufficent for destroying Kerch bridge, which is why Ukrainians wanted them for in the first place >striking Berdyansk and other similiar airports are the only thing they are good for. >6 (+3?) were already used and next time air defences will have easier time when shooting them down. >Russians launch offensive along the entire frontline >the most important of which is attack on Avdievka >Avdievka is ukrainian fortress, fortified for 8th years >its has been used during the war to shell Donetsk city, which makes it a very important target >there is a huge industrial waste pile on the north-eastern edge, called Terrikon. It is the only elevated vintage point, 20 meter high stone outcrop from which you can see entire region >aside from initial push, there have been hardly any other successess so far >fighting is bloody, ukrainian MoD (so 0 credibility) reports almost 10 000 dead since the start of the offensive
>>57509 >Avdievka That whole attack feels like that they either learned nothing, or came to the conclusion that this is genuinely the best they can do if they want to attack. In either case, the other big question is what prompted them to attack exactly. Maybe they think Ukrainians are severely weakened and just want some results before the end of the year, or maybe they think Ukrainians still have enough forces to attack and the main goal here is to finally put them on the defensive again.
>>57509 That "Pz IV" looks like a movie replica. Most likely what it is, used as a decoy
>>57523 They will not get a single kill
>>57523 What are these women going to do? Tik-Tok dances?
>>57527 More than likely they'll get stationed on the non-combat front lines so they can sacrifice more men while keeping their borders busy. Gives Ukraine an excuse to shout "they killin our wymynz genocide!!!!" when Russia opens a new front and wrecks an all-female defensive battalion.
>>57529 Whwn you've already accused the bad goy side of everything under the sun that sort of shit rings hollow past a certain point. Plus the big new poopy bad is the sandniggers. Well new as in switched back to them after Ukraine turned out to be a retarded waste of time and resources I guess.
>>57527 I don't know, but I wish I had those rifles, life is not fair.
>>57529 Makes sense. They need better atrocity propaganda to compete with the experts in israel. Expect lots of stories about mass rape (although I can see at least two that even the Russian army would decline).
>>57516 There was one real fuckup filmed, the rest were inevitable. It is ridiculously fortified and assaulting always will incur huge losses. There is virtually no other way to do this. As for the reasons for attack, well, Ukrainians are obviously drained of manpower and materiel, it is a good time to attack, except for the weather factor but that does not prevent urban combat. if they really captured Terrikon then it is alread a victory.
>>57509 >there is a huge industrial waste pile on the north-eastern edge, called Terrikon "Terricon" (terril conique) is just a generic name for any mining waste pile in Russian, not like it's some kind of unique moniker specific to that location.
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>>57538 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/terril#French https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budonivskyi_District,_Donetsk Funnily enough the wiktionary page uses a picture from Donetsk to illustrate it, although this one is not the one they are fighting for.
>>57523 As an american, i didn't expect them to be this fat.
>>57523 >Hohols deploy stronk independynt brigade, who don't need no man >Vatniks invent superior new drone tech, can sense menses by air a mile away >All the holes sync up their periods after 1 month >On 2023-11-XX: "Komrade, we have very strong signal in the northwestern quadrant" >"Let us roll to glory, Komrades!" >"DAH!!" >??? >"Let's not turn this rape into a murder, ladies"
>>57516 >>57535 Not only is Avdiivka a natural fortress, it's also been heavily fortified over almost a decade of conflict. It's a tough nut to crack, but also a thorn in Russia's side, especially since the hohols shelled Donetsk from there. So this is probably the earliest time they could reasonably launch the offensive, when the other fronts are stabilized and Ukraine is sufficiently worn down. >incur huge losses I have to caution you here, there is an ongoing information war against Russia, so anything you hear about them being pathetic, evil, or taking L's, you have to take with several grains of salt. They have taken some hits while assailing the swine fortress, that's inevitable, but even those losses are being inflated. The Avdiivka offensive is still going well, considering it's a difficult objective. Also, is the server issue sorted yet? I want to contribute more of this stuff.
>go to watch the videos in that post above me >half second play time >5 second load time Holy FUCK why do webms/mp4s randomly take fucking forever to load on this site?
>>57519 >That "Pz IV" looks like a movie replica. Most likely what it is, used as a decoy With bonus of thick trolling. >>57509 >(there is one word for destroyed and damaged in slavic languages) Are you banned from all dictionary sites, or something? https://www.multitran.com/m.exe?l1=1&l2=2&s=destroyed https://www.multitran.com/m.exe?l1=1&l2=2&s=damaged https://www.multitran.com/m.exe?l1=1&l2=33&s=destroyed https://www.multitran.com/m.exe?l1=1&l2=33&s=damaged > >Russians launch offensive along the entire frontline >>57516 >or came to the conclusion that this is genuinely the best they can do if they want to attack. Nobody actually advances on the entire front at once. Usually a wide push is an indirect strategy, meant to probe for weakness and maintain pressure (i.e. keeps the other guys spread via the threat of a secondary breakthrough and more envelopment, even after they figure out where the main attack will be).
>>57570 Yes that is normal with larger webms. Shitty format. >>57538 >>57573 Hey I get paid for shilling not for learning foreign linguistics.
>>57570 Works on my machine.
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Old news, it's all about our allies at Israel now. G*d speed
>>57569 >1st one Goddamn, that's some extremely well made propaganda. Short, relatable, brutal and to the point with great production values. Rusnigs know their shit!
>>57569 >propandorino/10, would surrender again
>>57569 >Not only is Avdiivka a natural fortress, it's also been heavily fortified over almost a decade of conflict. It's a tough nut to crack Why can't Russians arty it into oblivion like with Mariopul/Azovstal? Granted it's not a full encirclement but don't they still have an overwhelming artillery advantage?
>>57570 >Holy FUCK why do webms/mp4s randomly take fucking forever to load on this site? Same here, gypsies probably stealing server bandwidth.
>>57606 They probably have most of those artillery systems deployed somewhere else to push back the Ukrainians squatting on their tiny gain of land in Robotyne as well as attacks near Bakhmut. And the fighting hasn't even reached the city yet. So they can't concentrate as much artillery as they want on a single front.
>>57606 They can and it is precisely what they are doing, now with extra glidebombs added to the mix. In other news Russians started tunneling towards Avdievka and tanks were spotted past Rabotine on the ukrainian side which is rather unusual
>>57569 >5th vid >using pallets to make walkways I like seeing such everyday things being repurposed for war.
So that kike Netanyahu has killed, on average, 110 children per day (defining 'child' as <=14yo), and gets Western applause 'he dindu nuffin''. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/22/children-in-gaza-developing-severe-trauma-after-16-days-of-bombing OTOH, Literally Putler has an international arrest warrent out for saving the (Russian-speaking) kids from the warzone that kike comedian was counting on hiding his men behind: https://twitter.com/LizzMurr56/status/1716006253217108022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREr43Xl7ck Really poor episode, fucked chronology and diversionary attacks on other frontlines are not even mentioned. Really I am dissapointed.
>>57650 >fucked chronology Seemed accurate to me based on what I was following in-thread? What was wrong with it? >and diversionary attacks on other frontlines are not even mentioned I thought the whole thing with Avdiivka was that it's far enough from conventional supply lines that they wouldn't hear word of diversionary tactics (and Ukraine went balls-deep with reinforcements instead of dealing with those diversions anyways)?
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Avdeevka waste heap is now reported to be under complete Russian control.
If the official Wikipedia narrative is to be believed Russians must be quite thorough in their honorable embracement of Putindo, how else would the Ukrainians only capture 18 Russian soldiers after killing 3000 of their comrades along with 200 tanks, 800 unarmored vehicles, 50 aircraft and a strategic anti-semitic congregation of Wagnerite homophobe officers with 666 high-ranking casualties bringing certain doom to the Russian war effort just like Prigozhin's misguided attempt to bring friends earlier during Operation Mikhail.
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>>57680 >Seemed accurate to me based on what I was following in-thread? What was wrong with it? I just have a feeling like this. Certainly less effort was made to deduce what the fuck actually happened than in his other videos. Like, both pincers were pretty much simultanous, not one after the other, after that there was rush into the city outskirts from the south then a lot of grinding. Battle for terrikon is just glossed over. As in it is presented as russian capture day one which was not a case in any capacity. No mention that the lossess from that pic in the OP are accumulated from years of fighting and it is unknown which are recent and in what condition which even ukrops admit. >>57706 Godspeed . But I would be afraid about tunnels under and inside of that terricon, I bet they are there and AFU forces will be able to pop out and retake it time after time but we will see. I would do that if I had to defend a slag heap.
>>57708 >But I would be afraid about tunnels under and inside of that terricon Can you even dig tunnels trough those waste heap? I'm not familiar with them, other than seeing them as I pass them by when driving. Aren't those things mostly lightly compacted and therefore loose soil?
>>57731 >>57708 Yeah tunneling through some bullshit that was just dumped there over the past couple decades seems like a bad idea, even tunneling through a lot of regular ground has a pretty high risk of cave ins. But I don't know much about slag heaps either.
>>57741 I'd expect they are reinforced/butressed as they are dug in, as would be typical -- especially with loamy type materials.
>>57745 Reinforced enough to handle tunneling? Do they anticipate that kind of stuff when making slag heaps? I'm genuinely curious, I didn't even know what a slag heap was until these past couple posts.
>>57750 My apologies, I meant the tunnels themselves not the general mounds.
>>57569 How did all those Ukrainian guys die on that tunnel system? They must have been shot to death? Seems like you could have put up a better fight with those numbers.
>>57731 Not really but they had enough time to reinforce the tunnels. As in literally dig up a portion of the heap and put concrete pipes under it to prevent caveins. >>57757 As far as I know first lines of trenches were bombed and shelled heavilly, most of them most likely were had by shrapnel and overpressure.
>“We now have weapons systems which have taken down 24 planes in five days,” the minister was quoted as saying in a press release. https://www.rt.com/russia/585749-shoigu-ukrainian-planes-downed/ What did he mean by this?
>>57766 >Shoi- Anyway.... Jokes aside, the Russians have been changing their SAM / A2A tactics, which did give very satisfactory results in previous week or two, if they're to be believed. From what I've understood it goes something like this. A-50 AWACS have now begun their air patrols closer to the contact lines, while still being out of Ukrainan SAM ranges. Russian LRAAM carrier fires a missile while having height advantage over its target and only sporadicaly pings Ukrainan aircraft for correction of missile vector, osn terminal velocity of the missile, AWACS does active spotting, illumination and painting of the target which is transmitted to missiles already in flight and on the approach. This tactics supposedly gives almost no reaction time to Ukrainan planes, who previously had enough of a warning and time to do something like a overshot maneuver or energy bleed. Nothing revolutionary in the new Russian tactics really, just a modified version of yours standard AWACS assisted Hunter-Killer procedure. That being said, I'd call bullshit on claimed number of downed Ukrainan aircrafts.
>>57766 I read about russians using 400km air to air missile now. Coupled with recon-fire complex working well it might be possible, ukrainians have been proved to, somehow, use airbases as close as 70 km from the frontline. >>57767 >That being said, I'd call bullshit on claimed number of downed Ukrainan aircrafts. Yeah that would be like, everything they had left. I guess if we do not see any airstrikes from ukrainian side it might be true.
Dima thinks the plane losses are viable, check out with previous reported losses. Also the video from flag planting shows that they do have dugouts there, but more like trenches than tunnels. Terrikon is under russian control and they are pushing into factory which is now in the grey zone. Shit is fucking ridiculous.
>>57794 >Terrikon is under russian control and they are pushing into factory which is now in the grey zone. Then unless Russia clutches defeat from the Jaws of victory, this whole affair is a matter of when rather than if. It won't be good if Ukraine hasn't distributed winter uniforms yet.
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>>57795 >It won't be good if Ukraine hasn't distributed winter uniforms yet. At this rate they will not need to. Also some stuff from 4/k/. I am keeping tabs on it, pro ukrainian shilling has died down a little. As in these are the same retards but there are less threads made.
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>>57779 how was that counteroffensive? lol, so glad you subhumans have been massacred.
>>57796 those Ukrainians are sitting ducks. Just a total massacre.
>>57794 >Dima Today I noticed he corrected himself after accidentally using proper English grammar. >we hardly receive anything... we hardly receive naahthink from this direction He's memeing himself into talking like Ren Hoek.
>>57574 >>57577 yea, they work fine for me. could be an issue on his end. >>57587 >>57589 my thoughts exactly. if I had to direct a propaganda video, I couldn't have done a better job myself. it reminds me of some WWII propaganda I've seen, the way it works to get into their head. >>57622 yea, it's pretty cool. war really brings out what things CAN do, as opposed to what they're designed to do. >>57757 I'd assume >>57764 is correct. Maybe thermobaric weapons were involved, but I'm unsure. >>57796 major oof, especially the 2nd vid. >>57809 I feel for the slavs pulled into this mess, but still, the Ukrainians should know better than to be sacrificial pawns for GAE/Atlanticists/Empire of Lies. >>57813 kek
>>57815 I only ever have problems loading videos on this shithole.
>>57796 >ground completely covered with craters And this ain't their first rodeo through there either. >>57809 >takes the shitty bait Have some standards.
>>57813 I miss the times when every report had fierce fightings with personal armored carriers and swarm drone tactics.
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>1 Leo borked, longer version: https://files.catbox.moe/ggq9hx.MP4 /k/ope on 4 says it hit turret hydraulics and everything is fine. >2 Rip mickey. >3 Russian new (unsuccesfull ?) missile test. Dunno.
>>57841 >3 That's testing of Yars ICBM missile system. The test was successful, no idea what that atmospheric phenomenon is called though .Probably has something to do with the extreme cold.
>>57841 Does Ukraine even have hydraulic fluid to replace if their hydraulics get busted?
>>57841 >/k/ope on 4 says it hit turret hydraulics and everything is fine. So I take it the explosion'y things + flames belching out of the tank's interior are all part & parcel of 'everything is fine'? :^)
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>>57841 >>57846 Rockets can look weird in the high upper atmosphere, especially in cold regions. Just look at the spirals that SpaceX launches routinely leave. If I had to guess, it maybe had a stage separation at the end there. That would explain why the exhaust trail stopped, and why it briefly seemed to split in two.
>>57841 >he just wanted to do barrel rolls
>>57809 Anon that's a jew, just report and hide.
Y'know what? I appreciate everyone on this board. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a /k/ to use at all; I'm not on the internet much anymore, so I don't know what really happened -- what that whole mess was -- during & after 8ch fell apart, so this place is the only active splinter I know of. I genuinely just appreciate that there exists at least one place where I can reaffirm that reasonable -- or at least genuine -- men still exist in this sphere of interest(s).
>>57874 There are others, but this one is special. The remnants of /pol/, /v/, and /k/ all seem to be huddled together here like the stragglers from a lost battle, greeting the kikes/feds, tourists, and newfriends that trickle in as if nothing ever changed. It's a weird feeling, but I appreciate you too Strelok, and all the others.
>>57846 >>57861 Those are contrails/exhaust but because the rocket is spinning in flight it's getting thrown outward. The spiral cloud itself doesn't actually spin, that's an optical illusion from the gasses moving outwards. >>57874 Sir, you appear to be lost for this is a Romanian basket weaving forum.
>>57884 You seem to get it better than I do, so can you help me understand why the outer part of the trail keeps pace with the rest of it in the spacex video? I feel like it should leave trails instead of move along perfectly like a flying galaxy. Is it somehow preserving all the momentum from the rocket?
>>57885 In the SpaceX one, it's venting excess fuel rather than actually firing the engine. Both the trail and the rocket are simply orbiting, and because they're orbiting at the same altitude and effectively the same velocity (since the venting speed is a tiny fraction of orbital speed), they can't be on very different orbits and must (more or less) move together. >Is it somehow preserving all the momentum from the rocket? Of course. Momentum is conserved, and where would it go?
>>57885 >can you help me understand why the outer part of the trail keeps pace with the rest of it in the spacex video? Because every single one of the trillions of particles are all traveling in orbit around the Earth, with little disturbance from atmospheric friction once in space. Therefore, they all are each independently following their own trajectories in orbit from the instant they departed from the maneuvering gas nozzle as the rocket rolled it's orientation. >tl;dr It's basic orbital mechanics. Since they were incrementally all sprayed out in a spiral as the rocket rotated, they all maintained that arrangement as they entered independent orbits. Hope that makes sense, Strelok.
>>57886 >Where else would it go W-well, someone said upper atmosphere, so I assumed there would be at least some thin layer of gases to disperse it or slow it down >>57887 That confirms it, thank you both for the explanation. I guess I didn't realize how high up the thing was.
>>57889 >I guess I didn't realize how high up the thing was. Y/w. Yeah, I've seen enough space launches to get a feel for it. This conglomeration may or may not be in 'space' yet (the general scientific consensus is that for Earth, space begins at 100K feet/20 miles), but clearly it's well above 99.999999% percent of it (and therefore practically no aerodynamic drag that would destroy the general spiral orbital arrangement). Another aspect that may be a bit hard to grasp at first is the scale of the grouping. It's probably YUGE at that point -- maybe 20+ miles across (and ofc would extend to hundreds/thousands of miles as it continues dispersing along the independent trajectories), and so what little disturbances that are happening are hard to even discern by eye. And, at 17,500mph, you really don't have a lot of time to analyze it regardless. Cheers.
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>>57874 >I appreciate everyone on this board. This is a /christian/ occupied board, by using this board you accept jesus as your lord and saviour
>>57874 I find it strange that you say that now, given that it's been in decline for a while and the past couple weeks have been a complete shitshow.
>>57894 >99.999999% percent of the atmosphere*
>>57874 Glad you found your way here, friend. Generally, the usual roundup from the 8ch days are to be found here, but the flavor has changed (primarily from the history/drama of the webring era, I'd imagine).
>>57874 same to you! this is one of the few places where you can have a sane discussion of the real war, as opposed to the fantasy war. >so this place is the only active splinter I know of. check the header, there's a webring full of other bunkers and new frens.
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>>57622 In the places where ground and climate provide lots of dirt pallets are routinely used this way. >>57766 Let’s see. Even old S-300 and Buk ukies had are better than anything NATO could give them. Russian systems are a generation ahead of those. Air defense had to be thickened above and beyond the norm when it turned out unreliable against Stormshadow, if temporarily. Then there were misgivings that NATO may do something stupid… In such conditions, if there actually were 24 planes flying close enough to swat them in less than a week, it’s desperation. They are used up like there’s no tomorrow, because they see there probably won’t be one. Of course, it’s also possible that he was given a report where all intercepts were lumped together and 24 includes drones. >>57895 This only works with fish.
>>57841 >>57851 It did indeed only hit the right-side smoke launchers and the main hydraulic pump. I don't know if the fire we see later is caused by the 32L of oil in the pump or if it somehow spread into the ammunition storage. But nobody must have died from that hit.
>>57874 If you actually like the look of the absolute state of what is supposed to be a weapons board you're part of the problem and I hope you die.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67234144 https://archive.ph/xqK0r >Ukraine war: Russia executing own retreating soldiers, US says How long until they say that Hamas is fighting alongside them?
>>57926 >How long until they say that Hamas is fighting alongside them? Probably just about the same time they reveal that a big influx of Hamas have been discovered operating within Burgoyimland.
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>>57902 >other bunkers and new frens
>>57976 Kek. Looks like it might be some kind of Urbex?
>>57921 >It did indeed only hit the right-side smoke launchers and the main hydraulic pump. All the same that tank is effectively kill, best case is the turret needs a complete overhaul or replacement after that fire and I don't Ukraine has the means or the parts for that.
>>57976 I'll be honest, I made sure to check that that was a jpg before I opened it, in case there was going to be some APNG jumpscare.
>>57983 Kek.
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lol lmao
>>58018 Lol. I saw more than 8 knocked out pieces of UAF hardware yesterday alone, posted on Telegram.
>>58018 Ghost of Kiiiv 2: The New Haunt?
>>58018 Why are they so fucking bad at propaganda? Sure the Russians lie about their numbers too but they at least attempt to make it believable. No one is going to buy that level of one sided losses especially when you're two years into an achingly slow slapfight, if it was that overwhelming Ukraine would own half of Russia by now.
>>58028 The NPC's believe almost anything, it seems. Not sure if they're retards, or if they're suspending disbelief and shutting off critical faculties to believe in their ukrainian shangri-la, or some combination thereof. I'd estimate that the numbers given for Russian losses are about 10x the actual figures (give or take a few), while Ukrainian losses are fabricated and exist only to provide a bit of realism (they'd probably put zero if they could get away with it).
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>>58018 >>58026 >inb4 hasbara shills retroactively declare Luigi's Mansion as Russian propaganda
>>58028 >, if it was that overwhelming Ukrainians are lying and they are losing, but don't act like K:D ratio is what decides wars. Just look at WW2. By K:D ratio alone the Germans completely and utterly ROFLstomped the Soviet Union. And yet they lost the war anyway.
>>58061 >don't act like K:D ratio is what decides wars I'm not and never claimed that was the case, now stop putting words in my mouth before I put my cock in yours.
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>>58065 > if it was that overwhelming Ukraine would own half of Russia by now. <I'm not and never claimed that was the case
>>57509 >Only thing we need now are nukes and smooth bore muskets and we've seen it all! Nukes already were transparently implied (as a part of overall escalation): https://thesaker.si/saker-archive/the-dire-significance-of-putins-feb-21-speech/ And APS (underwater pseudo-Kalashnikov nailgun) is smoothbore, IIRC.
>>58077 >K:D ratio is, in general, not what decides wars >the K:D ratio Ukraine claims is so extreme that it would have been an exception to this It's not hard to figure out what he might have meant, you retarded Turk rape-baby.
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>>58081 If you're going to attack somebody's flag then don't hide your own, bitch. Then again it's crystal clear that you're an amerilard, in fact you're the very faggot I was replying to earlier trying to pretend that he's got somebody else backing his stupid ass take. Reminder that it's who you started throwing insults for absolutely no reason. Anyway, >the K:D ratio Ukraine claims is so extreme that it would have been an exception to this The K:D ratio that Ukraine claims wouldn't be an exception to the rule, because their claims are still baby mode compared to the utterly ridiculous losses that the Germans inflicted to the Soviets in WW2. Meanwhile you say that if Ukraine's claims were true, not only would they have won the way, they would have also taken over half of Russia. Now your next reply will be "nuh-uh durr hurr i love to eat the burger"
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>612 since the entire Russian military was stopped cold by some hohol rednecks with a few NATO gadgets. This war has been really disappointing. >Putin fanboys cheering that the vatniks are advancing in Avdiivka, and it's only costing them 1 vehicle per meter. What the fuck. As we close in on the two year mark, it's clear that Russian has thrown everything they have into this conflict, with nothing to show other than their initial gains. Conversely, Ukraine has only received average NATO gear, and is slowly starting to receive more advanced toys (e.g., ATACMS). This will continue through next year, including the deployment of F16s and C-UAS. Based on statements by Russian leaders, it seems clear that the longterm plan is to hope that... America gets bored and forgets about Ukraine? Not that Ukraine is in a winning position here, it's unlikely they will push back against entrenched positions. But the war of attrition is slowly moving to their advantage, which will continue into next year unless Russian is able to leverage a non-military advantage (war in the Middle East, China, etc). But this just reinforces the perception that the Russian military is a colossal failure, because we need a non-military solution to a military problem. So what does the 2024 battle plan look like for each side? For Ukraine, they are going to hold on as their miltech scales up. For Russia, they are going to wait for an American election? Hope the Middle East blows up? What does Year 3 of the war look like for Russia?
>>58088 >F16s Chairforce is overrated. >C-UAS That could have an impact, assuming that Ukrainians will get enough of them to cover their entire frontline against all types of drones. They won't get nearly enough of these toys. >the war of attrition is slowly moving to their advantage Are we watching the same war. The war is clearly taking a tool on Russia, but to repeat the most common vatnik argument, they are yet to start a total mobilization. And ukrops managed to exhaust much of NATO's stockpile of shells to the point that their combined output seems to be inadequate for this war. Meanwhile vatniks only had to trade with the norks for extra shells so far, which is not a good sign, but if they were in deep shit they would be begging the chinks.
>>58087 >Reminder that it's who you started throwing insults for absolutely no reason. Do you actually believe this is true and that people who read your posts don't think you're a faggot? >K:D ratio This remains entirely your invention, with no relation to any prior post in the thread.
>>58077 >8 ded fornis while 150 million bajillion ded for dem So not only are you saying I'm supposed to take this seriously, but that I'm supposed to believe casualty nimbers that lopsided haven't produced some kind of result? Open up Greek faggot, I'm about to recreate the scenes on some of your ancient pottery.
>>58080 >And APS (underwater pseudo-Kalashnikov nailgun) is smoothbore, IIRC. Not a musket though. >>58088 >I have not been paying attention to the war: the post
>>58087 But the Germans did took half of Russia with those insane K:d ratios? They lost the war, but not before pushing Russia back to Moscow at a time when the Eastern parts were little more than snow huts.
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>>58088 I think History Legends has a good analysis on this very problem you're describing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOgh_hYDL8Y The war is a shit show, but taking Avdiivka does spell a major change in how this war could be fought (not that it will be). The Avidiivka bulge is the main way that Ukraine is shelling the shit out of Donetsk and creates a large gap in Russia's armor that they have to fill with bodies. Once that gap is closed, Donetsk can return to industrial metal processing/refining and act as a logistics hub along the railways for Russia to launch further attacks, and the number of Vatniks that will be loosened up by smoothing the line will allow for a new front to open up. >it's clear that Russian has thrown everything they have into this conflict, with nothing to show other than their initial gains. The first year that was true. This year Russia has massively expanded their industrial capabilities while Ukraine is still relying on gibs (now split with Yidsrael) from countries running out of ammunition. NATO is being forced to expel their ammunition elsewhere and America may soon have to protect their territorial proxies in other parts of the globe. At this point it's a resource war and it's not looking good. >Conversely, Ukraine has only received average NATO gear, and is slowly starting to receive more advanced toys (e.g., ATACMS). It doesn't matter how much ammunition you have when the food situation is growing more dire by the day. Ukraine produces enough still, but it doesn't have the means to transport it where it's needed, and a diet consisting primarily of grains and rations will lead to malnutrition if it keeps up for another 2-4 years. >Based on statements by Russian leaders, it seems clear that the longterm plan is to hope that... America gets bored and forgets about Ukraine? It's an attritional war unless Russia wants to repeat Avdiivka a few hundred times, and those loss rates are unacceptable to the Russian populace. America stepping out of the picture would be the best-case scenario since at the rate things are going Ukraine will end up starving and no America means Ukraine surrendering/conceding before starvation sets in. Ukraine are their brothers, for Christ's sake. They don't want to kill the Ukrainians. >But the war of attrition is slowly moving to their advantage It was until Israel decided to take Ukraine's shekels and South Korea found more wealthy investors to sell artillery shells to. It's not all fun and games for the Russians, but I don't know how anyone can look at the other global wars a'brewin' in Northern Africa and Asia, and come to the conclusion that these aren't dire straits. I don't hold Alexander's optimism but I imagine that we'll see if Russian attritional strategy made the difference it needed to or not this winter.
>What does Year 3 of the war look like for Russia?* Dunno. It should look like a strike on Kharkiv around January/February or maybe some other new front opening up, but it depends on what the Russians have the liver to go through with. It's "their turn" basically from mid-November until the spring floods come, but there won't be much in the way of trench-digging to slow them down in the mud and cold if they make a breakthrough somewhere post-Avdiivka. It will probably be a warm winter with the TOS-2 roasting Hohols though.
>>58088 Who wrote this? This clearly wasn't wrote by a sapient self aware being
>>58102 >South Korea found more wealthy investors to sell artillery shells to. Context? or zionists are the implied investors >>58103 >It will probably be a warm winter with the TOS-2 roasting Hohols though. A bit of a tangent but why does TOS have a relatively limited range, 10km as I recall. It's already a rocket-based artillery system - why not use a larger rockets?
>>58107 >A bit of a tangent but why does TOS have a relatively limited range, 10km as I recall. It's already a rocket-based artillery system - why not use a larger rockets? Because instead of propelant it has a metric fuckton of explodium. Basically.
>>58106 >This clearly wasn't wrote by a sapient self aware being Of course not, friend, it would be such a silly for that to occur.
>>58107 >Context? With America depleting their stocks and the French/Germans neutering their industry, South Korea is pretty much the sole provider of artillery shells on the international stage unless you want Chinese munitions. South Korea is setting themselves up to be the arms manufacturers of the 21st century. SK refused to sell to Ukraine directly and only agreed to sell America their stockpiles. Now other countries want in on the South Korean pie and America is struggling to secure sales because they broke a handful of promises (both foreign and domestic) about how South Korean munitions would be used. >A bit of a tangent but why does TOS have a relatively limited range[?] It was designed as a "battering ram" moreso than as a rocket system. It was meant to be used by CBRN troops before being repurposed as an anti-fortification weapon. Rather than "burning" it creates a series of pressure waves from the vacuum created that rips apart "soft" materials and works in such a way that fortifications like trenches and walls create an "echo" effect that amplifies the damage caused by it. Basically >>58109 in that it was never meant to be used as an artillery/rocket system, but because it's been so effective they are modifying it in the TOS-2 for use as such. Russia primarily tested the ToS-1A on Afghanistan and Syria.
>>58109 >it has a metric fuckton of explodium Warhead is 'only' 45kg according to literature, about double the size of grads. I guess the literal bang-for-the-buck from TOS is pretty impressive. >>58111 >but because it's been so effective they are modifying it in the TOS-2 for use as such That makes sense. I wonder if the proliferation of drones primarily drove this, the newer truck based variants of TOS are especially a soft and high value targets so makes sense to get them our of tactical drone range.
>>58088 > nothing to show other than their initial gains. And here we have one of the creatures who got no clue what objectives could be so hopelessly that they resort to using territory (even empty) for point-scoring. >Conversely, Ukraine has only received average NATO gear, and is slowly starting to receive more advanced toys (e.g., ATACMS). This will continue through next year, including the deployment of F16s and C-UAS. Gosh golly. What peasants with rusty AKs and barn-manufactured landmines are going to do against mighty F-16? Oh wait, it’s going against the best anti-air systems in the world. Never mind. If it’s going anywhere at all. NATO backed off from escalation and training the locals (if anyone can find enough of willing ones) from scratch is going to take too much time. > Based on statements by Russian leaders, it seems clear that the longterm plan is to hope that... America gets bored and forgets about Ukraine? >>58106 > This clearly wasn't wrote by a sapient self aware being Likely a journalist. They are the only primates experimentally demonstrated to be less mentally capable than pigeons. We see a raid by the goons right now. Mentally high-tier (and properly zealous) goons get to State Department, while low-tier goons become journalists. >>58111 > it creates a series of pressure waves from the vacuum created journalists, plural.
>>58129 >Chemical reaction causes a high-pressure blast that both pushes out the air and also sucks any remaining air out creating a vacuum >Air rapidly goes to fill in the vacuum >This air gets sucked into the chemical reaction which is not finished if in a confined space like a building or trench >The pressure from the air rapidly getting sucked in, in conjunction with the heat, causes a wave effect that causes damage to organic matter and weak metals similar to an egg getting sucked into a bottle with a flame in it and slamming into the wall of the bottle shattering >Fortifications create barriers that increase the effectiveness of this effect It creates a series of pressure waves from the vacuum created. Vid related. It's a middle school experiment that helps you visualize what is happening.
>>58113 >Warhead is 'only' 45kg according to literature, about double the size of grads. I guess the literal bang-for-the-buck from TOS is pretty impressive. That is just to jumpstart a giant subwoofer inside missile that plays hardbass so hard your flesh is shaken out of your bones (which are on fire now)
>>58113 >Warhead is 'only' 45kg according to literature, about double the size of grads. I guess the literal bang-for-the-buck from TOS is pretty impressive. There are typically two explosive charges for a FAE weapon. 1. to disperse the fuel into the air 2. to ignite the (now) fuel/air mixture volume The primary blast of the weapon isn't either of these charges, but rather from the FAE itself. >
Can any anon tell why is the ground white in this footage, can it be morning frost that is disturbed by demining vehicles in front of the columns or is it some kind of ir camera?
>>58181 Maybe the top layer of the ground is simply greyish because it is dryer. What is stranger here is that nothing is growing on those fields. If you just leave alone that kind of black earth, then you will have at least a bit of grass after a few weeks in my experience.
>>58181 Looks like algorithmic path-tracing, which would explain why there's some color for natural rises in landscape but why the soldiers are the same color as the ground as far as the drones are concerned.
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Kek. Why doesn't Elon Musk just go full 1488 already?
>>58181 Looks like frost.
>>58090 Read the thread and tell me who started insulting who first, dummy. >>58096 Give me Ukraine's K:D claims. After that go choke on an Oreo shake with 500 grams of sugar so you can forget about your stupidity >>58101 During the opening months of the war is was less about "insane K:D" and more about the fact that the Soviets would shit themselves and run at the first sight of a German panzer. Then the USA single-handedly saved Moscow from guaranteed obliteration and gave the Soviet Union the 2nd largest arms industry on earth, which is what allowed them to shit out tanks, howitzers and rifles like they grew on trees for the remainder of the war Soviet Union's existence.
>greek faggot still going Are you mad you didn't immediately get jerked off for stating shit no one here believed in the first place? You're like some retard on /v/ repeatedly stating the vidya industry sucks and getting mad when someone gets tired of his shit and makes fun of him. Go yell about fire being hot next or something you fuckin pederast descendant.
Guise the ukies said the vaties got wiped to the floor and that they destroyed everyfing. What? You don't think the numbers are accurate? You must think K:D ratios determine everything then. Fuckin idiot gyro chomping t*rk rape babby lmao
>>58223 >Read the thread and tell me who started insulting who first It was you, in >>58061 Are you genuinely retarded? Does your legal guardian know you're on this site?
Slow day, innit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhpFopC5wuU Russia has allegedly stormed the coke plant.
>Ukraine uses old Soviet-era shite >Wins back (underwater) Kherson and Kharkiv from the Russians >Ukraine swaps to western equipment as the soviet-era shit runs out >Begins losing territory and having to hold the line Heh. Yes I'm aware it's more complicated than that with Russian troop numbers so quit sperging, but it's still not a good look for NATO.
>>58223 I'm going to clarify this without insulting you for exactly one post. >wow these numbers are clearly bullshit (no mention of K:D determining anything besides walhat was clearly not a serious an offhand comment about owning Russia) >you having taken it seriously proceed to go off about K:D ratios >insults ensue I will do nothing but call you a stupid faggot while not reading your posts after this. I'm well aware lopsided K:D doesn't guarantee victory, but if you've been paying any attention to this war you would realize Ukraine has done nothing but put out these ridiculous numbers when all evidence points to them being completely full of shit.
>czech flag But my IP is in tegas
>>58232 anon.cafe thinks Switzerland is the Netherlands, Serbia doesn't exist, France is Germany, Finland is Norway, Iceland is Great Britain, and half of Asia resides in America. You get used to it.
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btw this is supposed to be a Mongolian IP.
>>58230 To be fair, while I personally consider NATO gear to be overrated and derives most of its reputation from marketing and sealclubbing third world counties who have nowhere near symmetrical response capabilities, they're still very capable systems, albeit fine tuned for low intensity conflict with inferiour foe, neither of which is happening in Ukraine. And Ukraine hasn't received any meaningful numbers of something like Leopards, just enough to keep them hopeful and grind their men ad infinum. >>58231 Isn't K:D ratio for German-Soviets around 1:2 / 1:2.5 if civilians and POW are ommited? I remember reading it somewhere, but I'm not sure POW should be ommited ,since they are technically combat casualties. >>58235 >Serbia doesn't exist God I wish. Unfortunately we are still quite corporeal
>>58231 this as I've often said, there's an entire simulacrum of propaganda, a fantasy war fabricated for the NPCs, in which the Ukrainians are the paladins/Spartan 300 with cheat codes activated and the ruzzians are the goblins/persians. I'm not even exaggerating. It's fascinating to see how many ppl have been taken in, and I genuinely look forward to watching their narrative crash & burn; I believe the cognitive dissonance will exceed even the 2016 election. >>58242 Yes, as I've said, NATO systems are actually quite good in their intended role, which is counter-insurgency ops by professional soldiers with full support. However, once you take them out of that narrow window, they are lackluster & unreliable. One of several consequences of the Ukraine war is that the myth of NATO invincibility got shattered on the Caspian steppe.
>>58235 >France is Germany Alsatia is Germany, bigot >half of Asia resides in America. There's a joke somewhere there. >Mongolia Long time no see old admin how are you? i thought Mongolia was going to phase out cyrilic a couple of years ago.
Oh hey Dima posted a map under his new video! https://dev.militarysummary.com/#/login
>>58294 Yeah, the only benefit he gets is that he never took a map away, he only offered one as a monetized product. In any case his reporting might be the newest but the accuracy has gone down significantly over the months. I primarily rely on Weeb when I want a map that isn't more than two days old and History Legends for summaries.
>>58102 >This year Russia has massively expanded their industrial capabilities while Ukraine is still relying on gibs To be fair the Hohol's lost most of their industrial capacity when Donetsk and Luhansk declared independence and the little industry they have West of the Dnieper River is a logistical nightmare to defend even with all the free Patriot missiles. They have no choice but to work with all their cobbled together N.A.T.O. gibs and whatever they inherited from the Soviet Union that isn't blown up, meanwhile Russia stretches to the far reaches of Asia so most of their air space is relativity safe. It's impressive how long the Hohol's have held up for being a relatively flat country and against a country with air superiority that is also a net exporter of energy no less, but ultimately I believe it's inevitable they'll lose most if not all of everything East of the Dnieper, especially since most of those people don't want to re-unite anyway. >NATO is being forced to expel their ammunition elsewhere and America may soon have to protect their territorial proxies in other parts of the globe. At this point it's a resource war and it's not looking good. The US and Canada have plenty of resources, it's just locked behind miles of legalize red tape but if things ever get THAT BAD between the US and China you could probably see Congress and local state governments loosen up mining permit requirements. But ehh at least we can still grow our own food... Well until Bill Gates decides to release some kind of crazy virus that wipes out a good chunk of our cows, poultry, or grain and legume fields anyway and I have no doubt that psycho would love nothing more than to cause a massive global famine, and to be fair it's not like US factory farming has a reputation of being clean or healthy so it won't be all that surprising to see a mass die off, our cattle are already insanely overly reliant on antibiotics and growth hormone as a result of that meaning their immune systems are basically nonexistent. Who knows maybe that's why mainland China and North Korea have been restocking their strategic food reserves, not because they fear sanctions but because they fear exactly what I hypothesized, or maybe not I could just also be full of shit too, only time will tell. >>58102 >>58107 >South Korea found more wealthy investors to sell artillery shells to. Technically that's actually bullshit from what I understand, SK sells artillery shells to Poland who then drip feeds the shells into Ukraine and Romania. It's how they remain 'neutral' in the war much like how America never gave the Mujaheddin weapons, Pakistan just so happened to have a bunch of US arms and decided to 'donate them'. Holol's are still getting Korean artillery shells, well older 'expired' ones that the military wanted to get rid of anyway, not that it matters much if most of them still go boom of course. (MOST), some are apparently duds however and apparently Russia has been having the same problem with North Korea's shells as well.
Is Avdievka the new Bakhmut? It started off strong, but it bogged down into an attritionaI warfare like most fights in the war devolved into. I feel like we're just repeating the last year's greatest hits at this point but without the star of the show. I miss him already bros
>>58319 Depends on what you mean. It will be fought in a similar manner (piece-by-piece with a focus on forcing the Ukrainians into a bottleneck where they will either get captures or flee), however the Russians seem to be on an accelerated schedule and want Avdiivka finished up sooner rather than later. >>58317 I'm not expecting the Ukrainians to fully mobilize a wartime infrastructure into place magically, but they've had a decade at this point to stick some weapons factories in Western Ukraine yet they've seemingly done nothing. Not even plans to do so after the Russians struck. If Ukraine had established some repair depots and factories to produce armor/weapons/ammunition then sure the Russians might try to bomb it, but they would have the means to replenish themselves. This wartime economy is unsustainable. Even the Germans and Brits maintained something of a functional economy while firebombing each other.
>>58319 We all miss the little warlock chief Jew Strelok, we all do. Not surprising someone offed him eventually though with how many countries he pissed off in Europe an West Africa, plus his own government and I'm sure Poland didn't like his attempt to flood them with niggers either. The dude was an Icarus who flew to close to the sun for his own good but so be it, I'm sure the trolling was worth it regardless in the end. Not to mention I agree with him on the fact that Sergei Shoigu is a useless bureaucrat larping as a General but that isn't exactly a controversial opinion in Russia or N.A.T.O. >>58322 >but they've had a decade at this point to stick some weapons factories in Western Ukraine yet they've seemingly done nothing. I think your underestimating how crippling their corruption was back then and only slightly less now, they probably had more chocolate bar factories than weapon factories by the time the Russians started their 'special military operation'. Bayraktars can easily be built over night with some corner cutting and low expectations but the factories and their precision machines plus the supply chains for chemicals and refined materials such as aluminum frames and motherboards are mostly definitely not built over night especially during war times when half your supply trucks and trains are getting bombed. There's a reason most of Ukraine air force now consists of Amazon and Wish.com drones. Time is not on their side. Conversely that's the same reason Russia hasn't just started mass producing shaheeds in house YET, they are working on it though last I checked. I do find it funny how they dropped the ball hard on drone research and development to the point they're decades behind the rest of the world but in all fairness they were focusing their budget on their nuclear submarines to much to care about drones probably.
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Rybar reports successfully attacks across the whole Avdiivka area that took place today and yesterday. Waiting for the third party analysis.
>>58334 They're preparing another cauldron, they're pushing to get direct LOS on Ukraine's main supply route into Avdiivka.
>>58336 Logical move is to encircle the opposing force and starve it into either submission or destruction. If they can't pull off Mariupol or Grozny, then it's gonna turn into another ugly grind like Bakhmut. It's up to Russians to take Orlivka if you're to encircle Avdiivka, but UAF is putting up stiff resistance.
Putin Signs Law Revoking Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, Citing US Failure To Ratify https://web.archive.org/web/20231102200142/https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-signs-law-revoking-nuclear-test-ban-treaty-citing-us-failure-ratify >President Vladimir Putin on Thursday signed into effect a law which paves the way for potential Russian nuclear testing, which would mark a huge escalation given the context of the Ukraine war and the broader context of a 'new Cold War' standoff between Washington and Moscow. >The new law confirms Russia’s de-ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), which is the 1996 landmark agreement which sought to ban all nuclear testing and explosions, in order to bring Russia and the United States in line on the issue. Kremlin Pool Photo via AP >But the two sides were never really in line on the question of the treaty itself, even if nuclear tests weren't happening. Some countries which were integral to the treaty never fully ratified it. >The Kremlin earlier last month said it would take steps to "mirror" the US position, explained as follows: > The law’s text on Russia’s legal portal states that Moscow will no longer be bound by the UN-backed nuclear test ban starting Nov. 2. Both Russia and the United States signed the treaty in 1996, but while Moscow ratified it in 2000, Washington never took the final step of codifying it into law. > Other holdouts to the treaty include China, India, Pakistan, North Korea and Israel, as well as Egypt and Iran... OH FUG
>>58362 Logical move is to cut off the supply of the area and starve like you said, but to leave open a pathway for retreat. A pathway that bombs/shells anything going into it with prejudice, but only takes pot shots at anything coming out. Always leave your enemy the option (or at least illusion) that he can escape.
>>58317 >China and North Korea Are both net importers of food, a food shortage will fuck them up no matter which way you look at it. A "strategic food reserve" can help smooth out ripples in an otherwise functional market for maybe a year at most, that's not enough time to become self-sufficient if a worldwide food crisis breaks out. >I could just also be full of shit too, only time will tell. Simplest explanation is most often the right one. I don't buy the unleash-a-crazy-virus theory, and if anything large scale factory farm operations are in a better position to recover from such things. i.e cull the entire population, and restart with newer stock. If federal help of course since too-big-to-fail. >best korea and worst korea armaments clashing in europe Well now, ain't that some fine pottery to gander at. Reality can really be stranger than fiction. >>58323 >Conversely that's the same reason Russia hasn't just started mass producing shaheeds in house YET, they are working on it though last I checked. I recall one of the holdups with UAV production was they wanted all components produced domestically (in other words sanction proof). Not sure to what degree they succeeded with that or if it was just an excuse. >I do find it funny how they dropped the ball hard on drone research and development to the point they're decades behind the rest of the world That's been a persistent problem for Russia being an oil/gas exporter - sell the oil/gas and buy the rest of the shit. Work smarter not harder, right??? Ironically the massive sanctions were about the only way for Russia to break out of that cycle.
>>58362 They shouldn't even have to go that far as long as they can set up ATGM's to target anything going down the roads. The mud it hitting hard right now so soon roads are going to be the only viable way of getting anything in or out of Avdiivka
>>58334 This is reportedly the largest scale battle of the war so far.
>>58230 It was a pile of everything from the start. But yes, once the wunderwaffe hype backfired, the show looks even stupider than before. >>58242 >Isn't K:D ratio for German-Soviets around 1:2 / 1:2.5 if civilians and POW are ommited? I remember reading it somewhere, but I'm not sure POW should be ommited ,since they are technically combat casualties. This got to depend on the specific time/place greatly. Early on, being caught with pants down at worst and blind counterattacks at best? If it wasn’t a lot more, that’s only due to lots of POW indeed. After the commissars were told to go write regimental papers and stay out of operation planning, well, things changed. >>58272 >One of several consequences of the Ukraine war is that the myth of NATO invincibility got shattered on the Caspian steppe. One of two by far most important together, especially after the first leg of this stool was pretty much broken from hammering on #OrangeManBad. If NATO is not as mighty as it looked like, and neither are “sanctions”… what exactly deters any current vassal from defection now? As in, suppose a military coup happens in some or other muppet state tomorrow. The new guys tell State Department and the rest to kindly go neck themselves. Then what? Right now, all the new regime would need to instantly become popular is undo the most obvious (and expensive, anyway) pozzed policies, and a public process over one or two most odious money bags (whoever worked with Soros too much to ever trust anyway) pour encourager les autres. >>58370 Not unexpected. >>58080
>>58317 The Ukrainians have fought with valor, no one can deny that (although they should not have let themselves be used as pawns). They'll keep it going as long as they have NATO support and doods to sacrifice, but it's unsustainable, they'll certainly collapse within a year or two. >population reduction I think the elites are pondering this, but they're also worried about the goyim rebelling. I think covid-19 was a trial run for purging the "useless eaters", and we were not as obedient as they would've liked, so they're unsure (as an aside, the ruling elites are the real useless eaters, they are essentially parasites/parasitoids). >>58323 he was based, but he took his trolling/shitposting too far. I'm still not certain whether he was bumped off, or whether he's in hiding, but either way, his piece is off the game-board. >drones The Lancets have been MVP on the front, scoring lots of hits on Ukrainian tanks/m777/other vehicles. Maybe they haven't prioritized drones, but they're making good use of them. GAE has been drone striking for awhile, but seems unable to adapt to the new integrated combat role of drones. >>58415 indeed. I think the vassal states are biding their time and waiting for the best moment to rebel. Naturally, if they can make an easier break from GAE 5 years from now, it makes sense to wait a bit. >>58284 >i thought Mongolia was going to phase out cyrillic a couple of years ago. I read about that, I'm not sure what the deal is. Their traditional script is cool, but the vertical orientation is impractical when modern tech is all designed for horizontal text. I wonder, if you rotated 90° & flipped it upside-down, would that work for a native reader? Also, it seems like they prefer their traditional script, which I understand on some level, but Clear Script is superior and more accurate as a writing system while being aesthetically similar; one would think it's the better choice.
Rumors on the Russian parts of the internet that there may be an internal coup in Ukraine right now after Zelensky announced a reshuffling to remove the top commanders from their positions. Lots of military commanders demanding that Zelensky hold elections in which most of them intend to run against him because of this. Take it with a heap of salt, but updates out of Ukrainian official sources have slowed down to a trickle suggesting something is up, and Ursula is visiting Kiev.
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>>58478 I hope that's true and I hope who ever takes over calls for an armistice. Even if it doesn't end the war per se and becomes a frozen conflict, that's still better than Ukranians continuing to be fed into the meatgrinder at the behest of the NATO overlords.
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hehe check this shit out, from Zaluzhnys oped in our favorite Rotschild rag, the Economist ( https://archive.ph/wNzUa ) On minefields >Technology is the answer. We need radar-like sensors that use invisible pulses of light to detect mines in the ground and smoke-projection systems to conceal the activities of our de-mining units. We can use jet engines from decommissioned aircraft, water cannons or cluster munitions to breach mine barriers without digging into the ground. New types of tunnel excavators, such as a robot which uses plasma torches to bore tunnels, can also help. >Use of a mini tunnel excavator with a drill, Rapid Burrowing Robot (RBR), empty hoses for the injection of gaseous or liquid explosives, missiles with a fuel-air explosive for breaching mine barriers; use of anti-drone guns to counter enemy reconnaissance UAVs, which will increase the level of obstacle-clearing detachments (teams) concealment while breaching mine barriers. On lack of manpower: >We are trying to fix these problems. We are introducing a unified register of draftees, and we must expand the category of citizens who can be called up for training or mobilisation. We are also introducing a “combat internship”, which involves placing newly mobilised and trained personnel in experienced front-line units to prepare them. >you are not a cannonfodder taken off the street and thrown into combat with no training, you are taking part in our "combat internship" programe. From more detailed accompanying piece On protection against russian missiles and glidebombs >Use of radiation simulators of the medium-range anti-aircraft missile system to target illumination stations in close proximity to the contact line in order to reduce the effectiveness of the use of glide guided bombs against our troops when assuming offensive (due to the fact that carrier aircraft will launch guided bombs from the maximum possible ranges) and reduce the manned aviation intensity due to the pilots' refusal to conduct sorties; >just like lets put fake radars right on the line of contact so that pilots will be too afraid to move close and drop the bombs! Who could see through this ruse?
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>>58483 Sounds like he wants to make some w40k equipment real.
>>58483 Too his credit it's at the very least innovative.
>>58483 I'm disappointed. He didn't even ask for railguns or Rod-From-God
>>58488 You laugh but I want to see a giant tungsten rod dropped from orbit in my lifetime.
>>58489 >I want to see a giant tungsten rod dropped from orbi Try swinging by your mum's house near midnight
>More Russian & Ukrainian MTLB Adaptations https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pqN5XSG99Tc
>>58495 And that channel also has a few RPG videos: >RPG Shove https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KTvsf94J31M >Makeshift Fire Extinguisher RPG Warheads In Ukraine https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O2zK0jC8x3U >Ukraine: RPG Warheads with Fragmentation Sleeves https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KmetI8LLfws
>>58496 And to finish off my round of channels that I only check once in a while, Lindybeige seems to be making a whole lot of interviews: https://yewtu.be/playlist?list=PLzzh7AuEBkEniKL6Uwk4R528ds7SiucOS
>>58323 >Conversely that's the same reason Russia hasn't just started mass producing shaheeds in house YET, they are working on it though last I checked. I do find it funny how they dropped the ball hard on drone research and development to the point they're decades behind the rest of the world but in all fairness they were focusing their budget on their nuclear submarines to much to care about drones probably. The most sensible explanation is linked there >>58146 The late start happened because small drones were dismissed. When proved effective for anti-armor purpose, they were taken seriously. As simple as this. This also suggests they were dismissed as fancy IED exactly because were believed to not be effective vs tanks and other armor.
>>58502 Not an unfair assessment either. The early-adopted American and French drones were for export only as anti-infantry flying IEDs meant for insurgent groups. The US didn't believe that the drones would be effective for anti-vehicle use because you'd have to make the drone larger to account for more munitions and that would make it an easier target. Turned out when everything is either at the macro-artillery scale or micro-rifle scale, suddenly drones fill in a niche that would be unthinkable 50 years ago.
Anyone got more info on this?
>>58530 Well, based on the audio the foreigner was trying to tell him something about the position and the troops told him to go back. Foreigner got uppity and shoves the guy so they killed him. If I had to guess the video was taken by barrier troops that Westerners keep insisting don't exist.
After a 4th/5th viewing I think this is a propaganda video. The landscape is too pristine (not littered with shells) meaning it would have to be at least 20km from the front lines, the trenches aren't full of shit/piss/blood, the soldiers are too well-dressed, the camera quality is too good, and the shots were too well-placed. Too many "perfections" for belief on repeated views.
>>58489 > You laugh but I want to see a giant tungsten rod dropped from orbit in my lifetime. How close? Seriously, though — it’s a weapon of the same sort as aircraft carriers: mostly useless against a peer or near-peer. Satellites can be killed very easily. On all sides, so in most circumstances this counts as Mutually Assured Stupidity, but if things escalate far enough that satellites become a real trouble, this could happen. >>58505 Now add an old bias for “everything must be able to fight tanks, unless it’s a specialized support (and if possible, even then)”. >> Inside the Soviet Army by Viktor Suvorov > The Most Important Weapon > ... Soviet generals insist that defence must mean, first and foremost, defence against tanks. The enemy can gain victories only by advancing and, in the nuclear age, as before, offensive operations will be carried out by tanks and infantry. Other forces can not carry out an offensive: their only role is to support the tanks and the infantry. Thus, defence is essentially a battle against tanks. > The most important weapon in achieving victory is the tank. The most important weapon in depriving the enemy of victory is the anti-tank weapon. > ...Because they consider anti-tank warfare to be so important, Soviet generals insist that every soldier and every weapon system should be capable of attacking tanks. > ...The fact that 20mm automatic guns are fitted to Western infantry combat vehicles is met with friendly incomprehension by Soviet military specialists: `If such a vehicle is not capable of taking on our tanks, why was it built?' It’s from 1970s, but obviously this way of thinking was not going to evaporate. Not unreasonable either, but such things can add up.
>>58537 >The enemy can gain victories only by advancing and, in the nuclear age, as before, offensive operations will be carried out by tanks and infantry. Other forces can not carry out an offensive: their only role is to support the tanks and the infantry. Thus, defence is essentially a battle against tanks. Weren't most successful advances in the pre-nuclear age just infantry + artillery? I thought barrages never really went out of fashion.
>>58489 I'd rather salt the earth for 20 years with Cobalt-60 nuclear shells.
>>58537 I heard the US had ideas about using ICBMS for the tungsten delivery, as for how close preferably far enough away to survive but depending on circumstance not even having that might not be a deal breaker.
>>58497 >the swarthy britbong survived, took part in the Kharkiv offensive, got a medal and decided to become a mine diffuser Cool. I wonder what truly made him decide to end his tour of Ukraine, and if he's had any second thoughts after seeing the Spring offensive die in a minefield.
>>58539 >Weren't most successful advances in the pre-nuclear age just infantry + artillery? I thought barrages never really went out of fashion. Did you miss the entirety of the Eastern Front of WW2? Entire fronts are decided on tank battles there. The difference between the tank in WW2 back then and the tank of today is that there are way less anti-tank weapons than there are now. The modern tanks are still made to counter other tanks, not flying drones or ATGMs as it's main threat. Which is why there will be a paradigm shift soon for tanks to specifically counter non-assymetric threats like the Terminator. or unless somehow the defense technology catches up and manage to render the drone and ATGMs less feasible, which is pretty improbable. >>58530 >>58534 Yeah it's fake. There is no way a real trench can look that clean and dry in the middle of Autumn.
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>>58489 How big are those suppose to be anyway? You need speed and mass to do some really significant damage. For example >The object that excavated the crater was a nickel-iron meteorite about 160 ft (50 m) across. The speed of the impact has been a subject of some debate. Modeling initially suggested that the meteorite struck at up to 45,000 mph (20 km/s), but more recent research suggests the impact was substantially slower, at 29,000 mph (12.8 km/s). About half of the impactor's bulk is believed to have been vaporized during its descent through the atmosphere. Impact energy has been estimated at 10 megatons TNTe. The meteorite was mostly vaporized upon impact, leaving few remains in the crater. Alternately >Researchers used data from both Tunguska and Chelyabinsk to perform a statistical study of over 50 million combinations of bolide and entry properties that could produce Tunguska-scale damage when breaking apart or exploding at similar altitudes. Some models focused on combinations of properties which created scenarios with similar effects to the tree-fall pattern as well as the atmospheric and seismic pressure waves of Tunguska. Four different computer models produced similar results; they concluded that the likeliest candidate for the Tunguska impactor was a stony body between 50 and 80 m (164 and 262 ft) in diameter, entering the atmosphere at roughly 55,000 km/h (34,000 mph), exploding at 10 to 14 km (6 to 9 mi) altitude, and releasing explosive energy equivalent to between 10 and 30 megatons. This is similar to the blast energy equivalent of the 1980 volcanic eruption of Mount St. Helens. The researchers also concluded impactors of this size hit the Earth only at an average interval scale of millennia. So theoretically you could either design a rod to actually hit and penetrate or instead to build up as much ram pressure as possible and disintegrate mid-air, effectively making it a gigantic HEAT warhead. >>58543 Yeah if you could load a big rod on a rocket and send it on a parabolic orbit it would do much the same thing as keeping it held in high earth orbit. Maybe even better.
Have you heard? Zaluzhnys aide was assassinated by grenades gifted to him as fancy vodka glasses.
>>58558 >assassinated Are you sure, or was it just a dumb slav joke gone wrong?
>>58561 Playing hot potato with grenades seems to be popular sport these days.
>>58551 >Yeah if you could load a big rod on a rocket and send it on a parabolic orbit it would do much the same thing as keeping it held in high earth orbit. Maybe even better. The largest rockets can (theoretically) get a 100 metric ton payload into low earth orbit. That's about 5.2m^3 of tungsten or a rod 1m diameter * 6.6m long inb4 your mom. The estimated impact velocity for "rods from god" was mach 10, but let's say it hits at 8000m/s (~mach 23) which is the full LEO velocity (fuck air friction).... 100,000kg going at 8000m/s is 3.2x10^12 joules of energy.... to put it in perspective let's divide by 4.184x10^9 and we have 765 tons of TNT equivalent. 1) Not even a megaton with all the outlandish assumptions. 2) that thing will bury itself into the ground and most of the energy will be dissipated into the earth rather than an air burst 3) cost is going to be billions per "shot" 4) targeting is going to be impossible when it's going at mach 23 due to plasma cone. Also the set of targets would be limited to it's orbital path. >parabolic orbit Note that the total energy (kinetic+gravitational potential) doesn't change whether the orbit is circular or elliptic. And an elliptic orbit will sweep through thicker layers of the atmosphere on the perigee so it will typically decay faster.
>>58569 Where's the Ukrainian propaganda videos? Is the situation on the front so hopeless that they can't even bring themselves to pretend that everything is OK? Webm unrelated
Zelensky is now asking for a new line of credit from America while reports of mass theft from government officials run rampant. Biden is refusing to approve Israeli aid unless unrestricted Ukrainian aid is included in the package. Unless something changes, this war is effectively over. Anything else will be Russia snagging up bits and pieces they aren't satisfied with leaving in Ukrainian hands pre-negotiations.
>>58569 >2nd vid Now THIS is shitposting.
>>58576 Wouldn't it work like an earthquake bomb?
>>58584 I assume the AFU could just dig in and make it a very bloody year before having to contemplate surrender if US aid dries up.
>>58576 I also assume you could deploy the rods mirv style as well.
>>58588 >Wouldn't it work like an earthquake bomb? I guess, maybe? From what I recall the major effect was from earth movement - cracking the foundation or building falling into the sinkhole - rather than the initial explosion/quake. Without a HE component I don't know that it would cause that necessarily. >>58591 >rods mirv style as well Yeah one of the ideas was "space crowbars" to carpet bomb a tank regiments. I mean a giant billet of metal at orbital speeds will fuck up things in its vicinity above or below ground, no doubt about that. It's just that bang-for-the-buck is piss poor and it's not even convenient or practical either. >>58585 do russians poo front the front side??
>>58576 >that thing will bury itself into the ground and most of the energy will be dissipated into the earth rather than an air burst Wouldn't it be better then to pick a different shape to maximize ram pressure instead? Sort of the flesehette vs flat nose dynamic. >Note that the total energy (kinetic+gravitational potential) doesn't change whether the orbit is circular or elliptic. And an elliptic orbit will sweep through thicker layers of the atmosphere on the perigee so it will typically decay faster. I was specifically thinking of a long orbit to allow for a gravity boost + return trajectory from the moon, or from Mars or Venus if you really wanted to fuck shit up.
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>>58598 >gravity boost + return trajectory from the moon, or from Mars or Venus if you really wanted to fuck shit up For one planets have to be aligned *just* right to do it, any useful opportunities to do this will be extremely rare and take years or decades to setup. Also it's going to aim essentially at a random side of the earth's surface so... On top of that I think there's a fundamental speed limit here of 16km/s here, adding more than that and you're leaving the solar system. Think of it this way - for kinetic weapons starting out on the earth's surface you can always make a bigger mess with just the rocket fuel, any added steps will dissipate some portion of the energy. Also here's a fun read: https://what-if.xkcd.com/20/
>>58600 Was pointless if Russia could amass troops to attack and NATO can amass at its borders anyway.
>>58600 tl;dr on CFE Treaty?
>>58603 Its called google dumb dumb, muh spoonfeeding has been breeding post stagnation for too long.
>>58603 Bunch of post-cold-war conventions about how post-USSR and USA were supposed to behave in Europe. Neither side ever followed it so Russia started criticizing it in 2007 and effectively pulled out in 2015 after the first Ukraine war. USA's response is more or less justified under >>58602 >Specifics about the policies See >>58604
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How in the hell they even got their hands on Ferret?
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>>58607 Somebody bought one and then donated it. We don't know who, but it's been operating in Ukraine for about a year now. All these antique vehicles showing up in Ukraine makes me wish we had HD footage of the absolute Orkish monstrosities that fought in the Balkans.
>>58607 The UK sells ferrets on the civilian market and some third world countries still use them as budget guard vehicles. That appears to be a civilian model. They're actually quite affordable at only £10,000.
>>58611 Pretty great. Reminds me that I hoped at the start of the war to nab myself a fixable BTR. Looks like there will be nothing left there anymore though.
>>58612 You could probably buy a few scrapped ones and cobble together a complete vehicle.
>>58619 About ten years ago I happened upon what I think was a BTR-60 on some eastern European craigslist analogue. The page was in cyrillic. In one of the pictures of it, the seller had his back to the sun casting his shadow on the vehicle, and it was obviously a man in a military uniform including a beret. I just thought it was funny so I took a screenshot and memed about it with my friends, but looking back I should have saved and translated the page.
>>58658 BTR-60(P) aka coffin on wheels? It had problems with getting out of water. Unlikely to be fixable, short of squeezing much stronger engines into it, to have enough of power on wheels and screw at the same time. Understandable if most ex-Warsaw Pact countries sold these once they had any replacement. Perhaps to the places with fewer rivers?
>>58658 Personally, I'd go for an BRDM-2 since it's cute and easy to drive. It'll cost you 'bout 10.000 dollaridoos for one in nice condition, last time I checked. The only drawback is you can't fit as many frens in BRDM-2 like you can in BTR-60 or convert the crew compartment into a comfy camper style interior
Russia picking up the slack along the entire eastern front. Looks like they're zerge rushing for the railway.
Vatniks a shit after killing the alcoholic potato. Hohols always a shit. Death to Israel.
These Ukrop landing operations across the Dnieper would make sense if they have managed to seize Tokmak, because it would tie up forces that could have been used to defend around Tokmak. And maybe even an attack towards Tokmak would have made sense if they concentrate on bombing the bridges of Crimea so that they are effectively useless, and if instead of headbutting Robotyne they start a wide frontline attack from the shore of the Dnieper to around Tarasivka. Who knows, maybe if they somehow even manage to reach Melitopol then Vatniks might have withdrawn from the area back to Crimea, and the collective west would be celebrating the ”inevitable” Hohol victory. Now, I'm not saying that this is a realistic plan, but by now it's quite obvious that the Dnieper attacks have been planned for quite a while, and they would have made sense if they get to Tokmak and beyond, but by now these operations are quite meaningless.
>>58726 Yeah and there are a lot of things moving on the political side, things are getting interesting again.
Hohols still wasting resources in their little codpiece bulge.
>>58811 I'm curious if this will end in total collapse or a proper negotiation between powers. Zelensky seems pretty opposed to elections, but aid is drying up because of pissrael, so will Ukraine crack down even harder or blackbag their leadership? >>58809 I think if they had tried shortly after flooding Kherson or during the offensive that it might have had a chance of working, but they waited too long hoping for Western gibs and it royally fucked them over.
>>58611 Damnit now I want one too.
>>58900 >I'm curious if this will end in total collapse or a proper negotiation between powers. Zelensky seems pretty opposed to elections, but aid is drying up because of pissrael, so will Ukraine crack down even harder or blackbag their leadership? I have a feeling that the only way this ends is for Zelensky to be removed and who ever comes in after to approach Russia with some sort of peace or at least cease fire negotiations. Just like in Isreal, which can only end in with Bibi being deposed or WWIII or total Middle East war at minimum. At one point Ukraine seemed to have the WWIII question to the conflict but it seems pretty clear at this point that if the West was going to go in hot they would have already done so before now and at any rate that's basically off the table because focus has shifted to Palestine. There's still the possibility if the Israel-Hamas thing widens in scope and looses containment that the Middle East and Ukraine could all run together in a single conflict, starting WWIII.
>>58905 >I have a feeling that the only way this ends is for Zelensky to be removed and who ever comes in after to approach Russia with some sort of peace or at least cease fire negotiations. Yeah I see zero possibility of negotiation as long as Zelensky and Putin are both in power. Even if Putin randomly drops dead all the possible successors are even more hawkish, so Zelensky is going to end up under the bus in terms of Ukranian domestic politics. Sure he'll get a comfy lifestyle in exile in US or Germany as a part time pundit/troll. >the Middle East and Ukraine could all run together in a single conflict The merchant of Citrullus lanatus has a major role to play here methinks
>>58929 One of the reasons NATO wanted control over the black sea via Ukraine was to force the cucurbitaceae connoisseur to stop trying to play both sides and become a true NATO puppet. Given the current situation however, Turkey is free to be an independent regional power and can tell the rest of NATO to get lost.
>>58933 Often makes me wonder, is it even worth the trouble to have Turkey as a NATO member? Seems like only if to keep your enemies closer.
>>58937 It made sense during the Cold War, and it would make NATO look like a weak weekend club if a major member such as Türkiye decided to leave. I like using Türkiye and Czechia simply because they are funny, and it is even funnier that these are supposed to be the official names in English.
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>>58937 Turkey is kind of pivotal to American power projection in the Middle East/North Africa. Israel doesn't actually host America/NATO unless it suits their end-goals. America's only real friendly allies in the region are Morocco, Kuwait, and the UAE. Saudi Arabia plays ball to prevent upsetting Kuwait/the UAE, and Egypt is forced to play ball with America via Turkey, but if America were to lose Turkish support, then access to Egypt would be revoked shortly afterwards followed by Saudi Arabia buddying up with Russia and the UAE following suit. Kuwait would be put between a rock and a hard place being the only true pro-American country in that region and being utterly isolated from America in that worst-case scenario. Turkey being in NATO means America can maintain this "neutral alliance" with the wealthy parts of the Middle East and prevent a war between Greece and Turkey. tl;dr- Yes, it's worth the trouble to have Turkey as a NATO member (if you're America).
>>58946 Is their importance just geographical? I assume it's all to do with Turkey allowing the US complete and unfettered access to most of the middle east by air and land.
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I am quite giggly at the resent coping from all the Ukraine enthusiasts about how we didn't give Ukraine enough gibs. Turns out jews matter more than Ukraine as a whole, who would have thunk.
>>58960 Torkee has pretty significant military power compared to most of the rest of NATO, even if they weren't located in a geographically advantageous spot for the US they'd still be enough of a threat to any operations in the Middle East that having them as pretend frens is simply far less of a hassle than having to try and glownigger Erdogan and start yet another chaotic shitstorm with wide ranging and potentially highly unpredictable consequences that may or may not include Turks openly siding with Russia which is obviously not desirable for the US. Otherwise the glowniggers probably would have instigated some shit by now.
It's worth pointing out that for Russia and the USSR before them, attempts to influence the Turk have been limited. The caucasus region is considered to be of more immediate value, and even there Russian suzerainty is uneven at best. A mountain range bordering a NATO member suits the Soviet-era strategic defense plan just fine. They have also long been aware of the Turkish aptitude at playing the fairweather friend game. If Assad's Syria is a Russian inroad to having soft power in the mideast again, then Turkey is an objective that is much further down the road. In other words, we can have a conversation about whether Turkey is a worthwhile ally for the west, but for Russia there is no conversation.
Wagner are fighting in Avdievka and russian tanks were seen fighting in the city proper. But that is not interesting, what is interesting is the entire political drama in Ukrainian leadership, with rumors of purges in high echelons of ministry of defense, Zelensky trying to remove Zaluzhny after his unauthorized, negative interview I posted about above. Fake (?) video of Zaluzhny calling to arms to march on Kiev, soldiers making videos saying that they will rebel if Zaluzhny is removed, And now apparently CIA director visited Zelensky. Any bets on how long will he remain in power?
>>58987 The fact the CIA director is openly visiting him instead of trying to keep the appearance that Zelensky is not just some US glownigger puppet seems suspicious to me, I wouldn't be surprised if he was exiled. Or gets what he really deserves and has a bayonet shoved up his ass like Gaddafi, but Zelensky is a kike so that's probably not on the table. I feel bad for the Ukrainians having to deal with this literal clown as a leader, maybe they'll put someone in charge that is more competent this time so they can end this conflict and redirect all their resources to Israel or some shit.
>>58946 >Yes, it's worth the trouble to have Turkey as a NATO member (if you're America). Cogent, yet irrelevant. This assumes “America” as a country with its interests is even a thing. During the last 10-15 years it should be increasingly obvious for anyone who as much as peeked nose into wide Internet this simply ain’t so. Up to and including mistreatment of USA flag not being regarded as lese majeste anymore, unlike mistreatment of Globohomo flag. The clowns don’t even bother with fake noses anymore. But if we remember that the show belongs to an expansionist theocracy, the question is rhetoric, isn’t it? More and more puppets on ever stronger strings is one of primary objectives, not means to some specific end. What you did demonstrate, however, is how Turkey is in position to actually negotiate, rather than have things done to it at a discretion of the more powerful party if it fails to bend over quickly enough. As >>58964 noted. >>58962 “Return of the industrial warfare”, indeed. >>58978 See also Bazhanov. Mostly, USSR did not try because it did not fit the doctrine. >>58989 Why keep the appearances? Everyone knows he is a puppet. Those who looked into it a little bit know even exactly how some of the puppet strings run (for example: https://im1776.com/2022/05/27/servant-of-the-corrupt/ ). The globohomo loyalists will simply pretend everything is peachy and the Orange Revolution junta was always genuinely popular, no matter what. Others won’t buy it, no matter what. So there’s no practical reason to jump through any hoops with deception.
>>59000 Sad state of affairs when you don't even have to pretend that Ukraine is a vassel anymore because the state knows it's own people are kowtowed niggercattle and it's inconsequential to the opposition.
>>58989 >>58987 This is the funniest thing I've seen in years. Last month bit was holobolo 2 now it's internal political problems in ukraine. What is next joe biden gets shot like a dog?
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 Good article. >>58809 Its not just river crossing. It was a coordinated multipronged attack >skirmishes on the russian border >threats to zaporozhia npp >attacks on kerch bridge >attacks on black sea fleet All of this would have worked if Ukrainians managed to push back Russian defences. And not only Ukrainian command was dumb enough to believe this would work, but also NATO commanders. I mean come on pointless propaganda and attacking ships? That just smells like Brits.
>>59012 > What is next joe biden gets shot like a dog? No one would be that merciful.
>>58987 There has been much shit flinging within ranks of UAF Nad ukrainan politicians. Zaluzhny seems to have started openly preparing to challenge Zelenskys political power and the disagreement between how things should be run seem to brow larger. Not to mention an arrest warrant has been issued for Arestovich heh. Once, one of the main propagandists of Ukraine has allegedly fallen out of favor because he's been accused of 'defeatism, disinformation and discrediting of UAF'
>>59012 Speaking of Biden, didn't Ukraine just arrest a bunch of (formerly) pretty high-level officials who had been involved in investigating Hunter?
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I haven't seen any videos of drones attacking armor, mostly harassing unarmored vehicles like vans, atv, bikes or just going after solders, have Ukrainians run out of armor piercing ammo for drones, or have Russians finally figured out anti drone warfare for columns of armor.
>>59026 >have Russians finally figured out anti drone warfare for columns of armor. They probably know that EW are a godsend against FPV drones. I hope those EW add-ons for tanks become commonplace.
>>59026 >I haven't seen any videos of drones attacking armor There have been a bunch. Just not lately. But there has been a lack of overall videos lately.
>>59019 Good links from that article. There are a surprising and refreshing number of links to MSM articles admitting Ukraine is in trouble, and Russia is stronger than Western assumptions. But seeing any MSM outlet going so far as to admitting Ukraine shall go from being in trouble to clearly losing is still a waiting game for now.
>>59045 Finally, some equality.
>>59045 Send all those virtue signalling fucks there, finally get a taste of what they preach.
>>59045 There must be 50% of women fighting in the front lines!
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The fuck is happening?
>>59118 Rough translation: >These insects caused the death of their company by refusing to march (deserting?) >This is what happens to these pussies They appear to be digging their own graves assuming the "mining salt" part is a euphemism.
>>59118 >Recently, a video of punishment in one of the units of the Russian Armed Forces, where several military personnel died after a group of fighters used drugs, went viral on the Internet. >An educational conversation is held with those who are guilty, followed by heavy assault and forced excavation work. >One can, of course, talk about the inadmissibility of lynching in such situations and rely on the relevant authorities. But all this clashes with the harsh reality of a warring army, which does not march in formation in a “pixel” with authorized duffel bags and is forced to be guided by the situation in its decisions. >The two majors note that one of the reasons for what happened was the lack of effective legal norms due to the peacetime regime. However, field tribunals simply do not have enough resources to respond to every violation: that is why, even during the Great Patriotic War, many issues were also resolved “on the ground.” >All this does not negate the need to improve legal tools and ways to combat disciplinary offenses. But whether someone likes it or not, sometimes you literally have to resort to other methods. >Especially against the background of the fact that among hundreds of thousands of military personnel, not everyone corresponds to the image of an ideal soldier, and iron discipline can be quickly imposed among them only through tough measures. From Russian Telegram. Posted by Rybar but j think Two Majors is the OP
>>59120 >Drug users >Only get disciplinary action How progressive of the Russian military given the usual response to drug use among civilians.
>>59118 >>59120 duuude krokodil lmao
>>59126 Sometimes you simply can't unfuck someone. They can still serve as penal troops though.
>>59118 He should be thanking every God in recorded human history for not being skinned alive and having his skinless eyeless crying, blood-gurgling face video'd and sent directly to his mother's messenger. That is the most humane end that traitors deserve.
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>>59045 Reminder that Stalin himself had to order every single female sharpshooter to be forcefully taken away from the front and sent back to Moscow because these dumb bitches were dying at penal battalion-rates and the Soviets couldn't find any women still alive to photograph and review for propaganda purposes.
>>59145 Mind posting the .pdf? This looks like an interesting read.
>>59150 Thanks hungry boy.
>>59145 Tbf snipping is the only combat role that genitally impaired people are not completely outclassed by males. Snipping is for pussies itf.
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Speaking of snipers ukrainians claim the longest sniper kill at 3 800 meters.
>>59160 >kill Noone died though, they all got up at the end
>>59183 Those aren't rats, they're mice and in either case I hate killing them. But when you live across the world's biggest wheat fields you're going to see a couple of them
Whoever wants to see more combat footage and doesn't mind the strong Russian bias and obnoxious music in most of the videos, December1991 on Bitchute uploads nearly daily videos that are normally only found on paywalled faggotgram channels. If anyone knows any other good channels, bring them up
>>59252 Bit of a warning though, most of the comments have the mental capacity of a drain fly. They don't think or say anything rationally, they're normalfags who cheer at the sight of death and spew the most braindead takes possible. So just watch the videos and don't bother reading the comments bellow
>>59252 Yeah, I don't mind watching people die with horrible music playing.
>>59254 If that was supposed to be sarcastic, I hope you don't live in a country threatened to be invaded by another. Raw combat footage should be mandatory watch for any man who is expected to serve his country
>>59252 I think that channel is run by simplicius76.
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>>59266 A+ mp4
>>59252 >So just watch the videos and don't bother reading the comments bellow So like everywhere else on the internet then.
>>59239 What are the confirmed lossess? >>59266 Nice. Also ukrainians used big ass baba yaga drone as a drone carrier for smaller, fpv drones. Also another story about ukrainians defending a position with automated turret. On russian side, we have video from a few weeks ago showing them blowing up a tunnel (of the mine sort) then pouring out behind ukrainian trenches . Badass honestly.
>>59273 >What are the confirmed lossess? According to the Russians, 7 not including the singer and her director. Apparently missile didn't explode on the floor where the concert was held but penetrated to lower floor. >On russian side, we have video from a few weeks ago showing them blowing up a tunnel (of the mine sort) then pouring out behind ukrainian trenches Any sauce on that video?
>>59273 >Also another story about ukrainians defending a position with automated turret. That was pretty cool, but also rather strange. A single machine gun position gave Russians trouble, because they had no idea it's controlled from afar, and no matter how many explosives they lobbed at that position, it kept firing. But the solution from an outsider's perspective would have been to lay some smoke and roll up with an armoured vehicle. I guess they were afraid that if there are still people firing from that position, then they might have some AT weapons too.
>>59273 >ukrainians used big ass baba yaga drone as a drone carrier for smaller, fpv drones. Also another story about ukrainians defending a position with automated turret I wanna these, especially the automated turret that kinda shit terrifies me. >On russian side, we have video from a few weeks ago showing them blowing up a tunnel (of the mine sort) then pouring out behind ukrainian trenches Sounds nuts.
>>59258 >Raw combat footage should be mandatory watch for any man who is expected to serve his country The country can go to shit, post the videos.
>>59266 lol'd
More and more instances of women popping up on the frontline in UAF ranks. Ukrainian goverment is also openly discussing increasing intensity of mobilization of men from ages 18-25.
>>59298 >increasing intensity of mobilization of men from ages 18-25. They still have those?
>>59298 >More and more instances of women popping up on the frontline in UAF ranks And without fail every single video I've seen of females is them crying under fire, getting first place during an extraction and abandoning their positions to go surrender to the Russians (bonus points for lying that they're pregnant)
>>59298 >increasing intensity of mobilization of men from ages 18-25 Don't they already practically take them at gunpoint?
>>59302 Not practically literally.
>>59301 >crying under fire Men cry under fire too. Doesn't matter unless they abandon rank. >getting first place during an extraction Good, let the men come to hate female conscripts. >abandoning their positions to go surrender to the Russians Maybe more men will too. >bonus points for lying that they're pregnant That can be corrected back at the barracks if they weren't already.
>>59302 >Practically Literally. The lucky ones get tied to a tree naked in the rain for 8 hours or beaten to a pulp and left behind. The unlucky ones get the same service they would have gotten if they fled their trench.
>>59301 Post the videos, please, anonkun.
>>59311 >Good, let the men come to hate female conscripts. I think the male instinct is to do that anyway, i doubt any man would hate women because of that
>>59299 >>59302 I think its the law over there that men going in collage cannot be conscripted, but dont quote me on that. >>59301 Women should not be serving in the military period. Not only are they less physically and psychologically equipped to deal with such situation, they are much higher maintenance and demand increased strain on logistics.
>>59306 He's pretty good.
>>59275 >Any sauce on that video? I cannot find it but it was in Dimas daily update though so it should be somewhere on his telegram https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/11/its-official-us-uk-pressed-ukraine-to-reject-peace-deal-with-russia.html#more Check this shit out, ukrainian officials are outright stating that during negotations at the start of the war russians just wanted Ukraine to be neutral, and that they did not sign it because boris johnson came in.
>>59341 >eternal anglo does it again Are they unironically trying to compete with the chosen people for being the most harmful to the human race?
>>59341 >I cannot find it but it was in Dimas daily update though so it should be somewhere on his telegram Thanks, I'll try to dig it up. Must have missed it when it was first posted. >and that they did not sign it because boris johnson came in. I thought that was already known fact? Either way, Ukrainian media let slip that 1.1+ million men have been listed as casulties. Keep in mind that this is most likely only the number for those whos paperwork has been filed, often local commanders would not acknowledge the loss of a soldier in order to keep getting his pay so 1.1+ million number should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>59358 >Ukrainian media let slip that 1.1+ million men have been listed as casulties Can you throw me a link for this?
>>59358 >I thought that was already known fact? That is official admission from member of ukrainian government taking part in negotiations though, that changes the official story and is interesting for other political reasons , like the blame for the war is put squarely on the west. The change in messaging is important. >>59360 >>59361 https://archive.ph/lReqk If its true then these are some WW1 tier numbers already. But people in Weltkrieg couldnt exactly run away to another country en masse. Like this shit is unprecedant in how costly this war is.
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>>59361 Unfortunately no I don't have links, but this slipped trough Ukrainan censors. It was published on state news if I understood it correctly. Polandanon has you covered with link though. >>59362 I've noticed much more somber news coming out of both Ukrainan and western sources. Now there's much more talk of Ukrainans making concessions to Russians, even within Ukrainan circles.
>>59362 >>59363 They're calling it a typo.
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>>59364 Of course they do.
>>59365 Oh yeah... I deffintly hope zelensky wasn't disappointed after the "successful offenisive" Alson 400 km² isn't much from a large scale offensive. So no this is pure stupidity coming from a person who never cared about wars. Plus offenisive has a point that they should achieve. They didn't. It's a failed offensive >>59358 >1.1 milion That's a lot. If it's even half it'd be a paintful cut to ukranian manpower. Which from the looks
Any theories on oblivious solders?
>>59363 >Now there's much more talk of Ukrainans making concessions to Russians, even within Ukrainan circles. Vae victis. The time to surrender was before Ukraine lost. Now it's too late for a surrender unless they are willing to cede significantly more than they are comfortable with as a sign of good faith in negotiations. Russia should take their entire coast if Ukraine sues for peace.
>>59369 >First video Guy seems to be suffering from the early stages of hypothermia and thigh rashes. Probably doesn't give a shit because his thighs feel like they're bleeding from the chaffing. Give the man some goldbond. >Second video In a war zone you get so used to all the sounds and debris that you figure the drone could be anywhere at night like that and figure it's probably shrapnel that landed on your head.
>>59369 There is nothing to theorize about. Everyone is tired, cold, numb from stress and adrenaline. Probably also drunk or high on whatever they can get their hands on.
Its just a war myth, like every decent ammo depo explosion being a nuke, every boxy tank being a tiger, every pile of corpses or bodyparts left after amputation a mad science experiment.
>>59371 Both of them could also just be severe shell shock. WW1 vets came home walking like the guy in the first video and the trenches were sometimes filled with dudes who just stopped reacting to anything like the guy in the second video because their brains stopped functioning at all and considering this has been the most intense war in yurup since Yugoslavia broke up it wouldn't be surprising to see soldiers with artillery induced brain rot on both sides.
>>59365 Can you explain this image?
>>59298 >More and more instances of women popping up on the frontline in UAF ranks. Any videos of hohols women dying and stuff?
>>59389 >considering this has been the most intense war in yurup since Yugoslavia broke up it wouldn't be surprising to see soldiers with artillery induced brain rot on both sides. What exactly causes this? Is this what is commonly known as shell shock?
>>59391 Pro-Ukraine "free thinker" makes the most delusional bad guys' casualties list possible
>>59363 >Now there's much more talk of Ukrainans making concessions to Russians, even within Ukrainan circles. What concessions? A promise to steer clear of NATO… again? Besides, it’s not like anyone would trust these puppets anyway. >>59369 The first dude is alone and has odd gait, already bad signs. Maybe this >>59371 Or returns from "rest and recreation" in shrubs less than sober >>59120 , or lightly wounded (and possibly on painkillers), or just worn out from lack of sleep and lags far behind his guys. The second dude is nothing special. He just sits there for who knows how long, and wiggles fingers either to keep his right hand from numbing, or to keep himself awake. Something banged him on the head hard, but not quite enough to knock down, he takes a few seconds to blink and look around, but it’s too late for him.
>>59407 Daily reminder that people who like blacked and openly post it don't have right to exist or even argue about stuff inb4 >he goes apeshit.
>>59391 Its just schizo image I found while trawling 4/k/ for informations from the ukrainian side. Dont think too hard about it, in their world russians are currently suffering 20:1 vehicle losses. It is genuinely the worst board I have ever seen and that includes tvchan. >>59407 Of course. No state is eternal.
>>59400 >What concessions? Territorial. General consensus among the Russians is that their govement will not accept another Minsk style agreement, since even the western politicians admitted it was basically a ploy in order to pump Ukraine full of weapons and trained men. I don't think Russians will be willing to discuss anything short of Zaporozhie, Donetsk, Luhanks and Kherson, with Kherson maybe being split among Russians and Ukrainans by Dineper. I think Odessa,Nikolaev and Kharkov are probably off the table unless we see some massive change on the front, which I highly doubt we will
>>59413 >No state is eternal. Although the Abbos have been doing good for about 50,000 to 60,000 years. Well "good" anyway.
>>59395 Shell shock is technically just another term for ptsd but yes being around explosions constantly will have effects in your brain, the blast waves from them will literally rattle your bones and can bruise your organs those WW1 vets that struggled to walk at all most likely had severe TBIs and other internal damage because of artillery.
>>59410 Tengu won't do shit about him but that doesn't mean you have to oblige the dopamine prostitute with responses.
>>59414 I don't think Kharkiv is optional. If Russia ends this war without it, they effectively lost because the porous border there is how Globohomo imported their gay trash into Russia in the first place. They'll get their warm-water ports but they'll lose the culture battle in 20 years without Kharkiv.
>>59414 > Territorial. That’s meaningless. What matters are capabilities and agreements, in this context things will have to go farther than just concessions. > General consensus among the Russians is that their govement will not accept another Minsk style agreement, Rumours are just so, rumours. > it was basically a ploy in order to pump Ukraine full of weapons and trained men. The very existence of Orange Revolution (post-Maidan) “Ukraine” was. It’s little more than a framework for proxy army. It served its masters’ purpose. With puppets it’s impossible to have an agreement worth the paper it’s written on. By definition: they don’t own themselves, so they don’t own their word. Never mind puppet of a puppet of a puppet. It follows that if left around in any form, the hostile puppet can and will be used for the same purpose in one form or another. So perhaps it’s possible to secure Black Sea areas, roads and pipes Westward, etc. But it’s only going to be reasonably safe if effectively isolated from external support and carved up to the point of inability to do anything at all. And lasting peace is only possible if hostile puppetry ceases altogether, which requires regime change. So… why stop halfway?
>>59410 blacked porn > actual sex You're an incel so you wouldnt understand anyways.
>>59432 >So… why stop halfway? Depends how much war Russia is willing to stomach, given that the west's own constitution for direct war seems to be nil. Can the Russians endure a long grinding war for a longer term solution? It's anyone's guess.
>>59460 The only thing vatniks can stomach is cum, much like UKikes.
>>59461 You're probably right in implying that this war will go on till the apparatchiks in Moscow and Washington decide.
Looks like Washington wants to offload this problem to Europe some time in 2024 though.
>>59465 I wish they'd offload into my ass
>>59465 I think it will be quite the hot potato during the election season.
>>59423 The guy isn't a prostitute but whole goddamned clown.
>>59424 I don't see how they would take Kahrkov with their current numbers and battlefield situation. The only way I realistically see it without a sizable mobilization of Russians is if UAF and Ukrainan goverment simply disintegrate under the attrition and unrest. >>59432 >So… why stop halfway? I'd say the same, but sometimes decisions made by the Russian govement were simply bizarre. If they don't go for something like Carthaginian peace they will have hostile entity right at its several thousand kilometer border, the only question is are they willing and able to impose their demands.
>>59480 >UAF and Ukrainan goverment simply disintegrate under the attrition and unrest. That could be yet one more thing this conflict resembles ww1. Russia collapsed without the Central Powers ever getting close to Moscow, and then the Central Powers collapsed without any Entente forces even entering their territories. It makes sense, as ww2 was much faster so enemy forces usually conquered a whole country before the hardships of war could even properly set in.
>>59481 My thoughts are along the same lines. Russian army wasn't actually defeated on the battlefield proper in WW1 but rather Russian goverment imploded due to the absolutely fucked goverment and revolutionary movements. Low morale and absolutely retarded conduct by some Russian generals didn't help either. We might be seeing something similar brewing within Ukrainan goevtment as split between Zaluzhny and Zelenski seem to grow with each day. Still, time will tell
When a country implodes like that you'd think the Russians could just march to the capital... in which case, can't Vlad secure the puppet-state governance that he wanted to install since the start of it all?
>>59480 >I don't see how they would take Kahrkov with their current numbers and battlefield situation. Look at the deployment map and how many units ukrainians have in there. > The only way I realistically see it without a sizable mobilization of Russians reminder that russians formed two entire military districts out of new recruits. >>59277 >I wanna these, especially the automated turret that kinda shit terrifies me. You can make one by yourself with a gun, controller, motions sensors and camera. Its cheap and relatively easy to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTqK8JRi0k ------------- https://strana.news/news/451432-valerij-zaluzhnyj-dolzhen-ujti-v-otstavku-marjana-bezuhlaja.html >Zaluzhny didn't provide the plan of war-2024 and has to leave-the people's Deputy from "Servants of the people" >The commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valery Zaluzhny, does not have a war plan for 2024, and therefore must resign. >This was stated by Deputy head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense, MP from Servant of the People Mariana Bezuglaya on her Facebook page, referring to a "non-public discussion" with the military. <"Yes, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not provide a plan for 2024. Neither big nor small, neither asymmetrical nor symmetrical. The military simply said that they need to take at least 20 thousand citizens a month, " she writes. Two points here, 1. rumors say that this happened because zelensky demands offensive during the next year . He publicly stated that the newly mobilized/conscripted/enslaved troops will be used in future offensive and ukrainian armor has been pretty much withdrawn from Avdievka so they do have armor. Old ass leos 1 and abrams but they do have them. 2.Zaluzhny does not work alone. Its not just him that does not know what to do its ENTIRE NATO HIGH COMMAND. >Ukraine will not sign a settlement agreement with the Russian Federation without reparations. Ukraine will never agree to this. And peace will not go well, because someone has to pay these reparations. If not Russia, then who? >(c) Deputy Minister of Justice of Ukraine Iryna Mudra Just lmao Budanovs (chief ukro spook) wife was assasinated, at least according to rumors. Dima is sick Otherwise, the weather is shit and everything halted to a crawl (more)
>>59492 >When a country implodes like that you'd think the Russians could just march to the capital... in which case, can't Vlad secure the puppet-state governance that he wanted to install since the start of it all? And pay ukrainian debts to the west?
>>59494 Why bother if the West wouldn't recognize such government as legitimate anyway?
>>59496 International law and such. Also most of that debt would be to private entities not to governments. You know it is one of the theories that circle around, if russia outright annexes ukraine than they now have to deal with rebuilding of the entire country, pay for all the wounded and limbless etc. so it might be more profitable to anex just small bits and leave a sick rump state with economy on the level of somalia (not somaliland).
>>59369 >2nd video Was that a stun or smoke grenade? I thought the guy on the left was sleeping, but seems he's already dead. >>59415 >Well "good" anyway. And "state". >>59494 >And pay ukrainian debts to the west? Nah pull a page from bolsheviks and repudiate the predecessor debts, simple as!
>>59493 >Ukraine will not sign a settlement agreement with the Russian Federation without reparations. Ukraine will never agree to this. And peace will not go well, because someone has to pay these reparations. If not Russia, then who? They'll get reparations just fine. As a Russian vassal state. The Russians will pay to recover the infrastructure because the Russians will be using said infrastructure. ffs when this war began Ukraine could have given up their coal mines and continued being a global leader in agriculture and computer tech, but they had to go full retard over some yokels who didn't even want to be part of their country and now their country might get split between Russia and Poland at this rate. It's disgusting.
>>59493 >Look at the deployment map and how many units ukrainians have in there. True, but Kharkov is a city, and a major one at that. It doesn't take many men in order to pin down a far larger force in urban combat. Even some smaller or depleted units can be used to slow down a large attacking force, giving enough time for UAF to transfer reserves there to stabilize the situation. Russian fucked up big time by using only two brigades with some recon elements in the beginning in a attempt to encircle Kharkov.
>>59415 State is separate entity from nation, race and people it rules over. >>59516 >giving enough time for UAF to transfer reserves there to stabilize the situation. There are no reserves. Just look at poor 47th mech brig, getting thrown from the meatgrinder of Robotyne straight into meatgrinder at Avdievka without a pause for refit or recovery. Russians opening another front would mean Ukrainians having to scrable brigades from different frontline, at this point Ukrainians can only choose which battle they want to certainly lose.
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>>59518 >There are no reserves. Most of Russian analysts say that Ukrainans still poses mobilization capacities, especialy since they've drafted the bill that will allow any men over 18 to be conscripted, as well as as supplementing depleted formations with female soldiers. Though you're right about the latter, since any further conscripted men will pale in comparison in terms of combat experience, equipment, training and even health. Looks like the NATO trained and equipped formations have been largely mangled im short order, such as the 47th you've mentioned so any large scale offensive actions should probably not be expected at leats for the near future. In other news, Russians re started their offensive actions around Bakhmut, they've captured Khromove in a few hours.
>>59512 >but they had to go full retard over some yokels Retarded indeed, none of this would be happening if Khrushchev finished off Banderites instead of making pardons.
>>59480 >I don't see how they would take Kahrkov with their current numbers and battlefield situation. The only way I realistically see it without a sizable mobilization of Russians is if UAF and Ukrainan goverment simply disintegrate under the attrition and unrest. And troubles with logistics. NATO supplies are drying up. Once they have no ammunition to actually fight a war, the rest is mop-up: envelopment and/or pinpoint strikes at barrier troops when identified, followed by mass surrender. And yes, the Kiev junta is politically fragile. Once NATO is neither seen as a serious help, nor threat, a coup is only deterred by being complicit in too much unpalatable stuff. But then, do they expect the Kremlins to actually care about this? >>59487 > My thoughts are along the same lines. Russian army wasn't actually defeated on the battlefield proper in WW1 but rather Russian goverment imploded due to the absolutely fucked goverment and revolutionary movements. Mostly it just intolerably sucked on strategical level and logistics. When even Brusilov’s breakthrough resulted only in snatching a failure from the jaws of victory, no one with eyes and ears had anything to hope for. With government discredited as much as humanly possible, it was up for grabs. But also, its internal security was feeble, counterproductive and openly mocked. >>59487 >as split between Zaluzhny and Zelenski seem to grow Zelenski is a puppet whose uselessness is increasingly complete and obvious. Considering the junta had to suppress opposition non-stop, it probably holds mostly due to MAD situation between AFU and SBU. >>59493 >Budanovs (chief ukro spook) wife was assasinated, at least according to rumors. Factions, factions everywhere.
Henry Kissinger is dead.
>>59569 Nice, another dead kike.
Description says it's filmed somewhere in Donetsk. Hm, what is file limit on cafe? I thought it was 32Mb is it not? https://files.catbox.moe/yr9pb4.webm
>>59576 What's the morale like among Russians? at what point is the war not worth it in their eyes? they're the aggressors after all even if somewhat justified all that geopolitical talk must go over the heads of the average Russian conscript. So in their eyes why is it worth the threat of being blown up in a muddy, wet and cold trench? at least Ukrainians have good old defend the homeland
>>59581 Russians are a very fatalistic bunch in general from what I've heard, and if that is the case most of the conscripts probably have a "fuck it I'm on this ride and have zero control over it" outlook on the situation.
I need videos of women dying for their country.
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>>59588 >Starts socializing outside of her goblin hole >Gets droned Heh. You know I've come full circle to the Russian orcs jokes after remembering that Orcs usually rule over Goblins in D&D.
>>59588 Same. I've worked with women before and I have to admit seeing them blown to shit by drones is kind of funny. She was probably asking for a period diaper or how her make up looked when the drone went off. I guess things must be really bad for them to send women to the front lines. Where exactly was this footage taken from?
>>59595 >Where exactly was this footage taken from? In Ukriane.
>>59559 >muh Ukie implosion Hoping the leader of your enemy's country to just get deposed is as laughable as the (((West))) hoping the Putin will just keel over dead soon. It's wishful thinking at best, and fantasy at worst. You know damn well how good the Jews are at staying alive if it's not threatened directly, Zelenskky won't stepping out of office as long as he can get all the credit for the 'defense' of Ukraine.
Zelensky ordered the Ukrainians to go on the defence and establish new defensive lines behind the current ones. And it looks like there might be some withdrawals in Marinka and around Bakhmut to better defensive position.
>>59415 Without the miscegenation that came with colonisation, they were literal paleolithic fauna. Seriously. The empire's representatives, who had dealt previously with thousands of other cultures and tribes, including the darkest parts of Africa, did not recognise them as being meaningfully human, and I don't think they were wrong about that.
>>59610 >there might be some withdrawals in Marinka They already fled the city. Following Russian reports, they haven't even witnessed troop withdrawals while monitoring the area 24/7 suggesting almost everyone in Marinka is dead. De-mining operations began a couple days ago IIRC.
>>59415 >Abbos >State You'd have a better time arguing the ancient Somalis since at least their non-government "state" lasted 1000+ years and consisted of a set of customs and rules that could be interpreted as a state expanding beyond individual tribal policies. Tribal "states" can't really be called that when they consist of following tribal policies and murderhoboing people you don't like. >>59612 This. People like to joke about certain groups like featherniggers being fauna, but purebred Abbos were literally dumber than your average gorilla (about 40-60 IQ for pre-"ain't not Shielas gimme an Abbo I'm desperate" average Abbo vs about 60-80IQ for your average gorilla), they just had the musculoskeletal framework to use tools whereas most apes have physical limitations to doing so. Breeding with humans as a missing link species of Homo allowed for abnormalities in skull development to put modern racemixed Abbos within the realm of intelligent individuals, but the original natives only had the advantage of firemaking over that of natural wildlife. The niggest niggers of Africa were more civilized as an existence back then. Don't bully the modern Abbos though. Some of them might huff petrol while laying in the road all day, but most of them are cool dudes who will teach you how to hunt monitor lizard and sea turtles in exchange for some money/grub/drugs and they'll teach you about rock paintings and shiiet.
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>>59615 >about 60-80IQ for your average gorilla Gonna need a citation on that.
>>59619 Koko the gorilla tested at 70-90 on infant IQ scales, and she was considered exceptional. Through the media's game of Chinese telephone, the infant part usually gets dropped, and sometimes (like here) it's gone from one exceptional captive gorilla to an average.

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