>>55324 >including HIV positive types Damn, they are using sodomites as weapons of mass destruction.

>>55331 The quotations are implied.

>>55324 >Ukrainians are planning (another!) mass mobilization Looks like not even expat Ukranians are safe.

>>55335 This was more or less expected from the start. Ukraine threatened to do as much. The real legal hurdle will be when it comes to extraditing people who left the country before the war started or who have dual-citizenship. I imagine as these extradition requests become more common, the headache that develops will make several nations stop supporting the war because of legal expenses. I imagine very few will actually comply with these requests. They're pretty much "get out of dodge" pre-warning notes. The only countries not enforcing extradition requests to Ukraine are pro-Russian with the exception of Canada (likely to change) and Austria (digging their heels in on this one). The real question is if Austria will honor EU extradition requests to other countries for fleeing to Austria to avoid being extradited to Ukraine.

>those KIA-WIA statistics Strategic NATO victory at Kharkov inspired by Tang dynasty siege tactics soon?

>>55337 I am not even done yet: Russians so far in 2023 have enlisted 230 000 recruits according to Medvedev. These recruits are used to recreate 2 military districts disbanded by Shoigus predecessor. At this point they are supposed to receive 40 000 new enlistements per month. Ukraine needs according to some reports to raise 10 000 troops per month just to replenish lossess. Ukraine has NO reserves remaining, like, at all. At this rate if Ukrainian manages to really mobilize 500k bodies then russians will be capable of matching their numbers in the theatre if they commit newly created armies. >>55329 I sure would not like to be the one scooping out their corpses off the ground, thats for sure. >>55331 Its a joke. Besides fuck you I am doing my best.

>>55339 >Russians so far in 2023 have enlisted 230 000 recruits according to Medvedev. What he conveniently didn't tell is that the vast majority of those were from the volunteer corps already in Ukraine who were forced to sign proper contracts with MOD or fuck off.

>>55341 Yeah it could be also used to mask lossess. Its official russian data not anything trustworthy.

>>55335 >>55336 Is it really such a good idea to try to draft people who don't want to fight? I thought the world learned that lesson after the Vietnam shitshow?

Apparently there is a vid that allegedly shows Russian conscripts training with T-55s.

>>55335 Also this pretty clearly shows the state of Ukraine's forces right now. Pretty soon they're either going to have to wind down the conflict pretty soon or, like strelok predicted in the last thread, NATO is going to have to go boots on the ground.

>>55335 >legal obligation to serve in the armed forces

>>55343 No. Conscription is slavery if the state cannot obtain volounteers willing to give their lives away in sufficent numbers to protect it then it does not deserve to survive.

Bah humbug.

>>55343 I don't think they have much of a choice. Western countries are so female-focused that the Ukrainian government will lose all support if they start mass-drafting women and children like they want to, and while old guys are fine for filling in the gaps of logistics or other reservist portions of the military, they simply don't make very good front-line shock troops. Ukraine has no shortage of men, but they do have a shortage of fit, able-bodied men capable of digging ditches under artillery fire for 3-14 days straight on a 500kcal/day diet of ration crackers. Young men can pull from their bodily reserves and make it happen but the CNS has an upper limit.

Does any substantial portion of fighting-age Ukrainian men residing in western Europe happen to be armed?

>>55353 >western Europe >armed

>>55353 Yes, statistically speaking, with usually 2 arms outside and a bit less than 2 arms if inside Ukraine.

>>55335 >have failed to comply with your legal obligation to serve in the armed forces >conditions set out in the Act >The offence is not a political offence or one connected with a political offense. Could be. >The death penalty does not apply to the offence. It is practically a death sentence innit... >If you have any questions or concerns >If Heh. >>55344 >Apparently there is a vid that allegedly shows Russian conscripts training with T-55s. Makes sense if it's for Tanking 101 the initial training is less about the tank and more about functioning as a crew and sifting out the absolute retards.

>>55357 BADUM-TISHH

>>55364 Context?

>>55365 Given the zipties instead of handcuffs and how they aren't shooting him as he resists, I would surmise it's a conscription.

>>55364 So anon got press-ganged, I suppose. I wonder if this is happening outside the former Ukraine now, given the new law. It's certainly been repeated 100's of thousands of time inside the country. Now other countries are looking the other way when roving press gangs collect up the runners now?

>>>55341 Oh and I forgot, before that the enlistements were oscilating above 20 k per month, with a surge due to mercs made to enlist or die they have reached end year results in q3. Its still reserves so it virtually does not matter. At least up untill spring, I doubt russians will push Kharkov before then, the offensive would risk getting bogged down in mud before then. Nevertheless This will surely happen, Ukrainians ordered evacuation of villages close to northern border after they ordered evacuation in Kupyansk direction. Northern border is basically unguarded and Ukrainians have commited everything already, there is hardly anything to defend with. Unless they were busy placing mines for the past year, taking it and riding straight to Zaporoże would be possible. I doubt that Russians would go for such a maximalist move, opting for just grabbing a foothold on western part of Dniepr. Other then that, Russians are constitutionally obliged to retake lands they claim as their own, so we WILL see an offensive to retake Kherson at one point, which will be a fun clusterfuck. Of all the dismissed generals after Prigozhins mutiny only two of them turned out to be true - "Spartak" Popov and Surovikin. Popov was commanding during the retreat from Izium and is currently on deployment in Syria. Surovikin commanded retreat from Kherson. Popov was rumored to be removed due to complaints about lack of counterbattery radars on the battlefield but Shoigu has been seen personally visiting their factories and ordering increase of the production to offset losses so punishing a man for giving a suitable criticism that is acted on does not seem like a reasonable motive and I would look for reason of that reassignment in headaches caused by these withdrawals. Surovikin is alive and has been seen in public walking outside with his wife. I still think he will lead the northern front but fuck knows. I will not pretend I understand his situation and politics surrounding him and oligarchs connected to him and Prigo. >>55344 Yeah I think the pic in the OP is from it, I couldnt find the video itself somehow. Its fine for training I guess. Also I want to retract my previous statement about amounts of t-55s spotted - only 2 VBIEDs, the one used for giving 12,7mm speeding tickets to potential partisants in trucks were t-62. Generally speaking I have seen scarce evidence of actual usage of such outdated systems on the russian side. Also the other pic with a flag is from a recent ukrainian photo op on one of the deserted oil platforms in the black sea.

> Northern Coasts GO We WWIII now? https://sputnikglobe.com/20230909/nato-says-launched-northern-coasts-exercise-in-baltic-sea-1113232651.html

>>55373 Maybe they'll blow up some more underwater shit?

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/why-are-the-russians-so-bad-war-stories-from-ukraine-with-neil-vermillion/ Does anybody have the patience to give this a watch and report back?

>>55375 I'm on to it, I am a bit sleepy anyway, so worst case scenario it raises my blood pressure to normal levels.

>>55335 >Ireland >extradition request from ukraine So This is a Ukranian national taking refuge in Ireland, being conscripted to return to ukraine and fight? Am i reading this right? I assume this man is not an irish citizen then. Man, this is great. Imagine all the jewish men being conscripted to return to ukraine to fight.

>>55375 >>55376 >Russians had no printed maps, convoys got lost >that gave time and opportunity to small Ukrainian teams to form resistance groups >due to the top-down organization lost Russians had no idea what to do >Russians have HQ+barracks+ammo depo at one place, Ukrainians keep HIMARSes in nuclear bunkers >Russians lost the maps that show those bunkers >HOHOL STRONK! WESTERN TRAINING! >speshul forces learn western ways faster than bottom tier units >bottom tier is eager to learn, but not enough time and not enough trainers >Russians were incompetent in the 90s, incompetent now >US Army also forgets their lessons all the time >Ukrainians motivated >Russians lean on artillery it works, it won't win the war >hohol small arms >they are apparently making lots of 5.56 AKs >he says AK-74 bullpup is the future, lots of countries making such conversions for some reason >most factories were in the Donbass >set up training for snipers, drone found them, got artillery'd >some got he knew got artillery'd for good recently >he was developing thermal-regulated ghillie suit >Wagner >two tiers, upper one is like Blackwater, lower is cannonfodder >prisoners got a rifle, three mags, a grenade >or just a shovel and told to dig, follow up unit take the position, shovelmen went forward and dig a new trench, and they leapfrogged forward this way >but professionals are professionals >professionals got favourism, but still ended up thorn >Wagner ex-prisonels go home and kill like the criminals they are >Wagner is Syria >back then Wagner was technically illegal >they got close to US speshul forces, Americans contact Russian MoD, they say they have nobody there >got shredded by Apaches >survivors got a medal depicting them shooting down enemy helicopters with MANPADs, in reality no heli was lost >he thinks hohols will win, but Russians have more people >and hohols don't have the people to keep bleeding out against Russian defences >Western tech won't help with this >Russian forces are from outer regions, places with no internet, so nobody cares about them >if Russians run out of them and they have to draft people from Moscow then everyone will turn antiwar and Hoholistan wins There, it was not very informative. Maybe I will finally watch that (by now old) interview done by Lindibeige too, but don't expect any greentexts.

>>55378 At least most of that greentext sounds about right >interview done by Lindibeige too Those have been pretty good

>>55378 Thanks, Strelok.

>>55377 >Imagine all the jewish men being conscripted to return to ukraine to fight. Maybe a few mischlings will get snagged but no jew will ever be extradited, least of all from israel. Zelensky and his USAtanic masters only want to genocide white Europeans.

>>55383 >no jew will ever be extradited but ukraine belongs to the jews more than it does to the russians calling themselves "ukranians" while they kill fellow russians and get themselves killed in order to protect it. Surely the jews would fight to defend their homeland.

Say, would a modern warfare thread make sense? Basically a place where we can discuss whatever is in our mind without reflecting on the day-to-day grind of the war. Or would it just syphon away posts from here?

KYIV, Ukraine—In the middle of a Ukrainian cornfield, one business is making energy out of something this country has in abundance: Farm waste. At the site north of Kyiv, local agricultural company Gals Agro is capturing gas from decomposing animal dung, straw and corn husks to produce a type of bioenergy called biomethane. The fuel is then pumped directly into Ukraine’s gas grid, replacing natural gas in tens of thousands of homes. The project is at the forefront of Ukraine’s ambition to capitalize on waste from its giant agricultural industry to generate green power that will help it secure energy supplies away from Russia, foster closer ties with Europe and diversify its war-battered economy. Earlier this year, Ukraine agreed to a strategic partnership with the European Union to promote the production and use of biomethane. By 2040, energy generated from the country’s farm waste could provide one-third of prewar domestic gas consumption while also becoming a major supplier to the EU, according to the Bioenergy Association of Ukraine. “There is unlimited potential for biogas in this country,” said Serhii Kravchuk, Gals Agro’s co-founder and chief executive. “This war shows that Ukraine needs more plants if it wants to diversify its energy supply and economy.” Still, Ukraine’s bioenergy ambitions face obstacles. Companies say investors have been reluctant to fund projects during the war that has seen Russia attack the country’s energy infrastructure. But Ukraine’s efforts could serve as a test case for the speedy and widespread adoption of biogas, which has gained attention as the world looks for greener fuels. Energy giants including BP and Shell have recently made acquisitions in the area, while the U.S. and other countries have offered subsidies for bioenergy. At least 10 Ukrainian companies are either constructing or planning new biomethane plants, according to the Bioenergy Association of Ukraine, encouraged by the government and the chance to establish a new source of income. Gals Agro started work on its biomethane project before the war in anticipation of greater demand for clean energy. It continued construction even as Russian forces were just over 6 miles from the site and it began pumping gas into Ukraine’s grid in April. On a recent day, trucks unloaded cow dung and shredded corn cob into a vast underground vat of bubbling farm waste that feeds five large tanks called digesters. Each digester holds 20,000 cubic meters of brown slurry that is stirred by the equivalent of a giant metal spoon. Each year the plant is expected to use up to 5,600 metric tons of grass-rich cow dung, 2,400 tons of sunflower-oil sludge and 1,000 tons of pig slurry, among other farm waste. As bacteria break down the biological waste, it releases a gas that can be used as fuel, in much the same way that gas extracted from the ground can. Many bioenergy plants burn this so-called biogas to generate electricity. At the Gals Agro facility, carbon dioxide is removed from some of the biogas to leave methane, which burns more efficiently on its own. This biomethane is then pumped into the gas grid. Biomethane’s similarity to natural gas means it is compatible with existing gas-grid infrastructure and can be used as a replacement fuel. That characteristic will help drive future demand, said Andrew Welfle, a senior researcher in climate change at the University of Manchester in England. Biomethane is seen as green because it is made from renewable organic matter like plants and is essentially a product of harnessing the methane that would otherwise be released into the air as the plant waste rots. Plants absorb carbon and can be replanted. https://archive.vn/xTlZ1#selection-435.0-443.257 tl:dr Ukraine is planning replace natural gas with cow manure

>>55386 >Surely the jews would fight to defend their homeland. Why would they need to fight when they can get their golems to do it for them? The Poles will be the next blood sacrifice.

>>55378 >he thinks hohols will win Fucking what? Like what does he count as a win anyway. Russia might sure enough stop fighting and pack it up at some point but they're not going to cede the Russian speaking territories back to Ukraine and certainly won't Crimea. >>if Russians run out of them and they have to draft people from Moscow then everyone will turn antiwar and Hoholistan wins If it gets to that point I expect Russia to just level middle Ukraine to make a desert and call it peace and set up a DMZ and tell the US that they can do what ever they want with the western rump.

>>55394 He actually had a long pause before saying that, so I think deep inside he knows how dire the situation is, but doesn't want to get ostracized by his social circles.

>>55395 I mean I think realistically, unless the war ends with Total Ukrainian Death or WWIII, that both Russia and the west will declare themselves the winners after hostilities stop. Russia will say they won because they took the Russian provinces back and never had any intention to go further, and NATTO+Ukraine will say they won because they prevented Russia from conquering the whole country. Spell check just tried to make that Torah Ukrainian Death lmao.

>>55324 https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-issues-veiled-threat-destabilize-europe-if-weapons-flow-curtailed?commentId=16b68a8c-7f19-4ffe-b367-5e41b3b3a6fe >Zelenskyy who just last month published a video of his visit to Biletsky, where he met with the leader of Azov neo-Nazis who said that the Ukrainian nation's mission is to "lead the white races of the world in a final crusade...against Semite-led Untermenschen" <The Irony is immense an the master of these 'Nazis' are the Ashkenazi's, and Zelensky the penis piano player, is a Jew himself... that makes the 'Nazis' exactly what they claim to be fighting against... welcome to bizzaro world la~

>>55389 Wouldnt it be more efficent to use corpses at that point?

>>55399 Why is the entire west not going nuclear already? It's the only thing that's got what it takes to power an energy hungry society if hydrocarbons are off the menu.

>>55400 We have the logistics thread for this, but it's mostly due to faggotry.

>>55400 Boomer hippies. Support for nuclear is higher among younger generations than older.

>>55389 Great idea imo as recycling might be a meme but early research for alternative bio-fuels is always good to pave the way to having portable energy sources that can fully replace fossil fuels when they run out. ht tps://web.archive.org/web/20230826192110/https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-03-first-a380-powered-by-100-sustainable-aviation-fuel-takes-to-the Stuff like this might at first seem obnoxious and virtue signaling, but its really motivating for a future doomer like me. Fossil fuels are the rarest resource in the universe we know of as we can't synthesize anymore without being energy negative like with hydrogen. Biofuels will go a long way to keep our present way of life going long past our deaths. >Biomethane is seen as green Lmao, no Its not, methane is way more polluting that carbon and even if its from a "natural" source, that source is being artificially inflated to make war more energy. Not that any green house gas pollution is anything special like its hyped as being, especially compared to actual health crises like the destruction of growable soil due to big corporations, the destruction of the ocean trenches due to illegal fishing enabled by government neglect and regulations, or the massive atrazine poisoning worldwide alongside other xenoestrogens killing humanity by way of estrogen. >>55386 The only jews fighting in this war are the few dumb bastards who were there from the start, or are foreign volunteers looking for blood. Nobody of the almighty cult will ever be forced to give their lives unwillingly by one of their golems. >>55397 Its how the jews always work, actual dumb white supremacist retards are always the most useful puppets, why do you think abraham lincoln never had to deal with other countries joining the civil war? Or died so easily right after the war just before he could ship all the blacks back to africa? Or why woodrow wilson got into power and could make the foundation for petrodollar clownworld? The only time this tactic didn't work was with Hitler, which is why they stopped using it en mass and didn't support someone like George Lincoln Rockwell as the promise of quick victory for the communist america battle wasn't worth the small risk of actually losing the war for world domination. >>55400 Boomer stupidity caused by old doomer jews who don't/didn't believe space mining is possible (reasonable back in the 60's when philip bono was just seen as a crackhead, idiotic now with modern technology enabling starship, re-usable hydrolox spacetugs, and next-level ai assisted automation) and believe perpetuating the carbon/nuclear lies are needed to save as many resources as possible to one-day destroy all the goyim and live in a jewish utopia paradise on earth with all the resources, drugs and children any jew could ask for before running out and dooming the world to a certain death. Of course this plan (like greater israel and most 100 year plans through history) is extremely outdated and modern jews only really keep it up due to paranoia making them try to have as much control as possible and genociding/enslaving the world starting with their least obedient puppets is part of that plan. >>55387 Go for it, but make the thread about something you want to discuss first as the hook.

>>55400 >if hydrocarbons are off the menu. The irony is that methane is a) a hydrocarbon compound, and b) is literally the single worst greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. The whole idea that this is somehow a speshul snowflake variety of "green" is ridiculous on the face. Just marketing for the niggercattle.

>>55403 >we can't synthesize anymore without being energy negative like with hydrogen. Being energy-negative isn't a major issue for fuels. The greatest benefit of petrochemical fuels is portability. They're like the difference between a battery and a mains electrical plug. If you can trade energy from a big, immobile nuclear reactor, to produce fuel that a person can carry with him, then even if it's "energy negative" it still doesn't defeat the benefit of turning a non-portable form of energy into a portable one. >Biofuels will go a long way to keep our present way of life going long past our deaths. It's unsustainable regardless of amounts, since biofuels will still continue the severe climatic damage from greenhouse gas pollution. But then, this is a board where some people unironically believe that HAARP is a weather control device, so any discussion on climate is doomed from the start. >>55404 >The irony is that methane is a) a hydrocarbon compound, and b) is literally the single worst greenhouse gas in the atmosphere It being a greenhouse gas itself is mostly irrelevant to its use as a fuel, since it's being burned, not released (usually). The CO₂ produced by burning it is obviously a greenhouse gas, but the methane itself being a couple dozen times worse would only be relevant for leaks (which are destructive for any hydrocarbon, whether gas or liquid). Also, claiming it's "the single worst greenhouse gas" is total nonsense. I have no idea where you heard that, but there are plenty of gases that are vastly more potent than methane. Many refrigerants are thousands of times worse.

>>55405 >severe climate damage from greenhouse gas pollution I admit your point about climate and won't laugh about this further, but even if greenhouse gas level is (or really ever becomes) a problem, I still find that it would be far more economical to try and find solutions to increase the consumption of those gases with either mass cultivation of plants (or recultivation in regard to algue in the ocean or trees in the amazon) or genetic engineering of specialized high consumption plants to be used all around the world. The benefits of portability from carbon fuels is unmatched as you say and its far easier to grow and change genetics rather than trying to defy physics or, god forbid, going down the muh electric "sustainability" route. sage for off topic.

If anyone actually wanted to solve the greenhouse gas emissions they would just nuke China and India but of course that would end the production of dirt cheap products so the niggercattle might revolt.

>>55408 Fug failed sage and this isn't the thread for this anyway.

>>55405 >Many refrigerants are thousands of times worse. False. CFC's damage to the ozone layer is entirely-unrelated to the greenhouse effect. Methane is the worst compound innately. But nothing compares to literal water vapor -- that's right H20 -- as being the overarching greenhouse gas king. Nothing is even close to it, regarding it's greenhouse effect. And we can all thank God for it's perfectly-tuned characteristics as well. This entire "green" hysteria is simply another kike trick. I was merely pointing out that intentional methan production, while nothing new and has been done for centuries, is inherently a false to claim as a non-damaging system. Pure propaganda for soy-filled minds.

>>55410 >CFC's damage to the ozone layer is entirely-unrelated to the greenhouse effect. Yes, their damage to it is separate from their high greenhouse potential. So why are you bringing up the ozone damage at all? A gas can cause more than one kind of harm. >Methane is the worst compound innately No, as I said in the very post you replied to, plenty of gases are many times worse. To give a chemically-similar example, tetrafluoromethane is both much more potent and has four thousand times the atmospheric lifetime. Over a 20 year span its warming potential is 58 times that of methane. Over 100 years, that rises to 216 times. I have no idea where you're getting this notion that methane is worst, but it is wildly wrong. >But nothing compares to literal water vapor Water vapour accounts for about two thirds of the greenhouse effect. The fact that other sources are "only" a third doesn't make them irrelevant. Especially since atmospheric water vapour is itself driven by temperatures.

>>55399 Manure is more or less equivalent to peat when allowed to dry out. It also releases a shit ton of methane into the air during the drying cycle. Poor people have been burning cow shit for hundreds of years the way the Irish burned peat. Corpses have too much water and too many protein molecules relative to fiber/fat molecules. >>55400 In America it's because the federal Department of Energy is the only one legally allowed to own nuclear fuel (all nuclear fuel used in America is technically owned by the DoE or has received sign-off for "leasing use" by the DoE). So unless the feds in charge agree to let you build nuclear power plants, you aren't allowed to do it. DoE won't even give NASA enough fissile material to run their spacecraft these days. As for "The West" as a whole, blame boomers, hippies, and boomer-hippies. >>55403 >Research People were burning cow shit before they were burning hydrocarbons, buddy. Our local wastewater facility used to run a generator off the methane generated from anaerobically fermenting shit until the EPA told them to stop.

>>55404 >is literally the single worst greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Well the thing about methane is that despite being a super strong greenhouse gas it rapidly breaks down and oxidizes in our atmosphere at our 1AU orbit. So unless something dumps a massive amount into the atmosphere at once, like say a major clathrate gun eruption or major seam tearing open, then it's not really worth figuring it into the equation. Even then That much methane being released at once will probably self deflagrate, which in turn transitions to a detonation, and it all burns away to CO2 and water anyway. Also somewhat relatedly everything else also burns away so the whole climate change thing is less of an immediate issue when the whole sky's on fire.

>>55405 The climate damage is happening in 3rd world countries like China and India. Global Warming is net positive for humanity for another century and doesn't become a tangible problem for another 2-3. Greenhouse gas damage to the ozone layer is real. The climate agenda is not.

>>55405 Having worked around methane-producing/methane-untrapping facilities, I can assure you that methane is escaping by the boatloads because all it takes is one minor leak in a methane pipe to release more greenhouse gases in a day than a diesel engine releases in a month.

>>55410 CFCs are a meme. The US government needed an excuse to hide the damage their nuclear testing did to the ozone so they blamed it on people's AC units. Almost as bad as California blaming commercial kitchens for water waste while running massive avocado/almond farms.

Also more on topic. https://web.archive.org/web/20230912214101/https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-oks-attacks-russia-us-missiles This doesn't seem like a good idea at all. >>55418 >The US government needed an excuse to hide the damage their nuclear testing did to the ozone so they blamed it on people's AC units. I'd like to here more about this. Did Operation Fishbowl and Dominic really fuck things up that badly?

>>55419 >Did Operation Fishbowl and Dominic really fuck things up that badly? He's full of shit. The ozone-depletion potential of CFCs was discovered a decade before the ozone hole was. It wasn't any sort of cover-up. Ozone is inherently unstable, and the ozone layer consists of O₂ and O₃ constantly being split and recombined into each other by solar UV. Halogen radicals (particularly chlorine and bromine) are very potent at catalyzing the conversion of ozone back to normal molecular oxygen, which disrupts the cycle. And CFCs are very effective at delivering those radicals to the ozone layer, compared to most compounds which are disrupted before reaching the necessary altitudes.

>>55419 >I'd like to here more about this. I wish I could tell you more about this. Unfortunately the US government and by extension search engines crack down heavily on anyone researching this subject. Circumstantially, nuclear testing ending had a much larger impact on the ozone layer over the Arctic repairing itself year-after-year than regulating CFCs did. There are two byproducts typically ignored in nuclear bombs testing; chlorine and sulfur, because photolysis "should" remove them from the atmosphere. If you use science models on volcanos as a proxy though, it becomes clear that the mushroom cloud effect prevents immediate photolysis of these elements. The sulfur goes through its ozone reaction, but instead of the ozone layer breaking it apart as precipitate before it can do damage, the sulfur binds to nitrogen oxides in the ozone layer ripping them out into the precipitate making the ozone layer more vulnerable to chlorine gases (which are again, still present in large quantities following a nuclear test). Eventually these "nuclear CFC" molecules mosy their way up to the arctic regions and sit there until they eventually break down. Very, very, very slowly.

>>55420 Funny that CFCs rely on getting blown into the OH depletion hole in order to do their damage, and that the OH depletion hole happens to reside directly above the Marshal Islands for some reason. Hmmmmmm...

Forgot my images.

>>55422 >>55423 >the OH depletion hole happens to reside directly above the Marshal Islands The feature in that map wasn't discovered until decades after the Montreal Protocol; it doesn't make any sense to claim a cover up of something nobody even knew existed. And the map shows that the OH hole isn't actually over the Marshals anyway; it's over Indonesia. >Funny that CFCs rely on getting blown into the OH depletion hole in order to do their damage But they don't. CFCs can reach the stratosphere without one, and (once again) their potential to do so was discovered forty years before any such hole, and without needing to speculate the existence of one. The realization that they could reach the stratosphere even in normal atmospheric conditions is exactly what drew alarm to them specifically over other chlorine compounds. That OH hole didn't explain the ozone depletion, it explained an excess over what was expected even without one, and what was expected even without an OH hole was still alarming enough to ban CFCs. No matter how you wrangle it, the timelines make it impossible for any cover-up theory to be remotely plausible. Furthermore, you can plainly see in the OH map that there are features that can't be explained by nuclear tests anyway. Nobody nuked the Andes. And indeed, the authors of the paper whose plot you posted proposed a mechanism for the South Pacific hole with no nukes involved.

Russia's Navy Port At Sevastopol On Fire After Massive Ukraine Missile Attack >The precise location of the large fire is the Kilen-Balka area of Sevastopol. Reuters reports that "A Ukrainian air attack early on Wednesday sparked a fire at the Sevastopol Shipyard in Crimea, injuring at least 24 people, the Russia-installed governor of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozhayev, said on the Telegram messaging app." >Initial and unconfirmed social media photographs show what appears to be a direct hit on one or more military vessels docked at the naval port. >The aftermath of the attack was captured from multiple angles, appearing to confirm significant damage to ships and port infrastructure... >Open source analysts are already suggesting that at least one docked Russian submarine may have been taken out in the attack. >An assault of this size is indeed likely more than just the work of drones; instead Ukraine probably utilized long-range missiles supplied from Western NATO partners. https://web.archive.org/web/20230913052541/https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-navy-port-sevastopol-fire-after-massive-ukraine-missile-attack

>>55419 >>55426

>>55426 Didn't take them long to fuck themselves into the dirt did it? They don't seem to learn from mistakes. Kyiv becoming rubble in what? 2 days? Less?

>>55426 It's funny because it won't help their offensive in any way whatsoever. Maybe one could claim a hit to morale, but if I was a vatnik watching ukrops turning themselves mincemeat over a small village for the last three months, then I wouldn't give a fuck about some ships exploding. And it is also hardly a wake up call for the population at large. The only group being affected by this is the leadership, but if anything it just pisses them off.

>>55426 >As a result of the attack, the large landing ship Minsk and the submarine Rostov-on-Don were significantly damaged. In addition to the dead, there are also about 40 wounded among the sailors on watch, as well as port personnel. Russians claim the strike was done with western supplied Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles.

Is there (modern) historical precedent for when a nation overtly arms a terrorist group they know are carry out an attack on a peer nation (rather than just a ~colony like the cold war shitflinging)?

>>55431 I can't think of one. Although that's exactly what the US accuses other countries of as a pretext for "liberating" them. >>55430 >Russians claim the strike was done with western supplied Storm Shadow and SCALP missiles. I guess the only real question is will Russia consider this "escalation enough" to do something or will they let it ride. Since they make these kind of decision via roulette apparently no one, including the Russians, will be able to predict the response until they actually spin the wheel.

>>55431 Hasn't this been the CIA's MO since before they were even organized as an official illegal 3-letter agency?

>>55432 >Although that's exactly what the US accuses other countries of as a pretext for "liberating" them. That's what springs to mind, though a more direct parallel would probably be israel's wars where the neighbors they're invading are ostensibly supporting hezbollah et al. The difference there is that those are not peer nations and israel can prosecute the wars with relative impunity (and even moreso for the US), whereas russia probably doesn't want an actual war with the constituent states of natto. >I guess the only real question is will Russia consider this "escalation enough" to do something or will they let it ride. If they don't do anything aren't they giving carte blanche for foreigners to lob munitions at their cities? >>55433 The CIA is doing this at least in theory A) secretly and B) illegally, though. That's a far cry from calling up a group that have already carried out attacks on a nation and handing them cruise missiles through official channels and telling them to do whatever they want with them.

>>55426 >>55429 Is the attack only of symbolic value? Are those ships of any importance in the short term?

>>55436 Depends on the exact ship in question, but in theory they could be used to either lob missiles or blockade the Black Sea. It seems like Russians mostly stopped the missile campaign anyway, and if they get really pissed off they will be able to sink any ship with airplanes. So either I am missing something, or it was completely useless. Maybe one could argue that natto wants to see the Russian fleet weakened and so they ordered this attack, but I don't think that this is the case.

>>55436 Its minor irritant unless they sunk nuclear submarine in which case shit is worse than kursk.

>>55437 >>55438 Two ships hit were Rapucha Class Large landing ship "Minsk" and Kilo class diesel-electric attack submarine "Rostov-on-Don". Minsk looks to have suffered substantial damage, repair will be long and costly if at all possible, and damagw to Kilo class looks like relatively minor, judging by the reports so far. Neither of the ships are nuclear powered,so no danger of radioactive contamination.

>>55441 >attack port with several missiles >destroy water truck lol

Do Russians have the capability to render the port of Odessa incapable of operations for the next 1-2 decades without resorting to nukes or using so much ammo as to be rendered vulnerable in the aftermath, and if so what would Hohols have to pull in order to get Putler to permit such an attack? An ISIS-style mass shooting at a some public event in Moscow? Kinda surprised those haven't happened yet honestly, though who knows if some hyper-Azovtards might still be out there.

O NOES!! The Holols know, /k/! https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trans-spox-says-ukraine-will-hunt-down-russian-propagandists-around-world

>>55444 Jokes on them, I live in Poland, that does not increase my chances of getting murdered by hohols.

>>55445 And here they will have to slaughter every journo working for the gubmint before it makes sense to go after random shitposters.

>>55419 What is next? Give the hohols nukes? >>55444 (checked) They are here, reading shitposts right now!

>>55443 >Do Russians have the capability to render the port of Odessa incapable of operations for the next 1-2 decades without resorting to nukes or using so much ammo as to be rendered vulnerable in the aftermath Depends if they can safely get several FOABs to the area. If they could by bombers or by sacrificial ships then yeah they could. Actually a by boat delivery might even be more attractive. The Russians could rapid prototype out a massive thermobaric floating bomb that would be otherwise undeliverable. Like kiloton range even.

>>55444 Please tell me this in not the tranny BO from /leftypol/.

>>55457 Why does everyone of note in Ukraine constantly act like a petulant little girl having her period while at the same time raging that mom and dad won't let her have a no chaperone party?

>>55458 Purges It's basically insular discord tranny bullshit (e.g. surrounding some video gay mod or whatever) but in the real world. Between the average ukranian being a total fucking subhuman and so much of the support for the obviously failing system foreign and therefore top-down, the coup or total military collapse that might of occurred when this shit happens in e.g. communist africa has been forestalled.

>>55457 >most innovative space program in the world constantly creating new technologies and strategies >somehow manages to magic their way to putting a moon rover on the lunar south pole as a first in all of human history >WITH LESS BUDGET IN A YEAR THAN NASA GETS IN A MONTH >something no other space agency in the world could do >low intellectual potential LOL Though imo indian culture is pretty collectivist, immoral and backwards, yet all of these things are fixable. I'd say its more the case that india isn't very pro intellectual now, but has a ton of intellectual potential in the future ironically. China on the other hand is targeted by the cult as the next jewsa golem, so he is right that they are fucked tho.

>>55464 I'd rather have the Poos make their superpower memes reality as they are neither gommunist bugpeople nor semitic iconoclasts with an ingrained hatred for Christianity.

>>55375 I made the mistake of looking at the comments. Good lord.

>>55466 Oh yeah the comment section is a complete superfund site. I honestly have no idea why Ian thought it was a good idea to make a video on a politically charged topic as this. He almost always steers clear of that.

>>55467 He also had no idea people would be upset if he wears a commie hat with a red star for a video. Maybe he is a bit naive in these fields, and if everyone around him says that something is a-okay then gives no further consideration to the matter.

>>55457 Typical hohol tendencies. Is it any wonder that they barely get any help from Asia beyond from SK?

>>55467 >I honestly have no idea why Ian thought it was a good idea Forgotten Weapons is hell in terms that the road to reach it is paved with good intentions, wasn't one of the dudes a literal satanist too? Ian borders between very naive pseudo-rural dude who doesn't want to bother anyone but doesn't think twice about doing stuff and a malicious gear enthusiast who wouldn't doubt a second to snitch on someone snuggling steel wool inside his legal can suppressor.

>>55471 I think he is trying to pivot to political commentary out of desperation. The parasocial stuff with him has ramped up massively as seen with his Q&A videos for example, the way he is there drinking whiskey and trying to make it look like a natural conversation. It reminds me of those "get ready with me" videos that girls have.

>>55471 We are really getting off topic here, but you are referring to Karl, and Ian dropped him after he started appearing in a literal satanist podcast where he said something to the effect of trannies needing guns more than normal people, so banning them for everyone else should be fine. It lead to quite a drama at the AR-15 forum, to the point that Brownells was involved, because they were making a polymer AR-15 lower in collaboration with Ian and Karl. And so Ian quietly dropped Karl. Maybe he went after the money, maybe he just wanted no drama around himself, or maybe he genuinely disagreed with his position. Whichever it is, this is not something that will impact the war in Hoholistan.

>>55466 What, you think that America is not a titan of pacifism that somehow always ends up being bullied into attacking a much smaller and weaker country?

Big Russian offensive when?

>>55475 Three options: >when ukrainians decide to stop throwing lives of their man away and dig in >winter if the weather is fierce >spring If ukrainians dtop being retarded and defend russians will have no choice and will need to return to manevour warfare. The current situation is just too advantagous for Russia, so why change strategy? They have managed to be on defense during invasion in a war that favors defenders. Kharkov is basically unprotected at this moment, but starting offensive now would risk literally getting bogged down.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66798508 Looks like the UK is trying coping about not being allowed to article 5 or making shit up about the VVS. >A Russian pilot tried to shoot down an RAF surveillance plane after believing he had permission to fire, the BBC has learned. >The pilot fired two missiles, the first of which missed rather than malfunctioned as claimed at the time. >Russia had claimed the incident last September was caused by a "technical malfunction". >The UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) publicly accepted the Russian explanation. >But now three senior Western defence sources with knowledge of the incident have told the BBC that Russian communications intercepted by the RAF RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft give a very different account from the official version. >The RAF plane - with a crew of up to 30 - was flying a surveillance mission over the Black Sea in international airspace on 29 September last year when it encountered two Russian SU-27 fighter jets. >The intercepted communications show that one of the Russian pilots thought he had been given permission to target the British aircraft, following an ambiguous command from a Russian ground station. >However, the second Russian pilot did not. He remonstrated and swore at his wingman when he fired the first missile. >The Rivet Joint is loaded with sensors to intercept communications. The RAF crew would have been able to listen in to the incident which could have resulted in their own deaths. >The MoD will not release details of those communications. >Responding to these new revelations an MoD spokesperson said: "Our intent has always been to protect the safety of our operations, avoid unnecessary escalation and inform the public and international community."

>>55478 >alleged missile malfunction That reminds of those mysterious AIM-9X defects observed in Syria and more recently with the Chinese balloon incident. It would be humourus if brand new slightly used F-16Cs flown by transethnic NATO volunteers were to encounter rusty MiG-29As flown by Boris and friends over Kherson, both parties shoot the missile but it doesn't werk so off-key Spanish guitars start playing instead.

>>55484 >AIM-9X defects observed [] more recently with the Chinese balloon incident. Seems the kikes have memory holed this. What happened, did the Sidewinders miss, malfunction completely, or what Strelok?

>>55484 >both parties shoot the missile but it doesn't werk so off-key Spanish guitars start playing instead. Gunfighter renaissance hype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJHiSKzZFs Pretty good episode covering ukrainian naval campaign. Do you know about any other materials focusing on tactical level ? My sources and knowledge generally focuses on economic and strategic dimension. >>55475 You might enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5E2VPAGaOA&t=1s For a longer explanation. Generally Weeb has been speculating on when russians will start their offensive, since they do not advance on the patches of the frontlines even if they have absolute superority over it.

>>55487 If I remember it right a pair of F-22s were sent to intercept the spy balloon and when they got there the leading plane fired an AIM-9X at the almost stationary balloon. The missile failed to connect despite the balloon not dropping flares or doing anything other than float around so the Pilot said fuck it and shot it down with the onboard Vulcan. This is leaves less doubt regarding maintenance/manufacturing prawnblems in the grand borgar military-shekel complegs than the Syrian incident where an AIM-120 was used to shoot down an Assadist Su-22 after an earlier AIM-9X failed to track its target after launch according to pilot testimony. >inb4 Yemeni cottage SAMs are better maintained than 6 gorillion dorrah NATO equivalents

Some big news today >ukrainians ordered evacuation of civilians in villages in kherson close to dniepr <goes who just moved an entire army there? >according to duma deputy the new enlisted troops will be used to rotate out mobiks which is great >Surovikin was seen in Algeria, pertractating passage for Wagner, probably.

>>55504 >streloks downplaying Russian losses in the black sea while Crimea is effectively under siege for shame

>>55519 I mean... Russia could lose every ship it has in the black sea and almost nothing would change, the counter offensive is not going anywhere and air power can still blockade Ukraine, it really is just a morale thing at best for Ukraine

>>55519 The black sea matters, but it also doesn't matter right now. Russia can't target NATO merchant vessels mosying about, so the fleet is mostly just targets for Ukrainian drones without a mission. I won't deny that Ukraine has functional control over 90% of the Black Sea right now, but they also have no means to project that power other than keeping it as a no-man's-land which isn't really net positive or negative for Russia unless Turkey becomes anti-Russian overnight and violates its international obligations against Russia. If Ukraine shoots down Russian grain ships it only looks bad to the rest of the world, so the only real benefit is stationing drone launching platforms on captured oil rigs. If Russia wants to fight back in the Black Sea they have to shoot at NATO aircraft which will turn into WWIII, and Ukrainian beaches are lined with mines. The only purpose the Black Sea Fleet can serve in is an artillery role for an active offensive, but Russia is on the defense. They're harassment attacks, Strelok. What is Russia to do exactly?

>>55521 >They're harassment attacks, Strelok. What is Russia to do exactly? How about, I don't know... stop the source of the harassment?

>>55523 That involves attacking NATO directly. Or at least NATO aerial surveillance.

>Romanian forces will shoot down drones that they think will impact on their territory A small but not insignificant escalation.

>>55526 In other words, Romania thinks that Russia will invade Odessa. I wish Russia would respond in kind. If they shot down NATO drones over the Black Sea this entire farce would end real quick. Maybe they can find a way to jam the drones and sneak up on them/knock them down without being spotted. How hard is it to jam a six figure surveillance drone that's probably not even using hardened equipment, anyways?

>>55534 >shooting down NATO drones >not using drones themselves to ram the NATO pests out of the sky, then claim Vasily the conscript on his 3rd bottle of Vodka didn't see drone because superior US stealth tehcnology

>>55535 >then claim Vasily the conscript on his 3rd bottle of Vodka didn't see drone because superior US stealth tehcnology Kek. Seems legit.

>>55516 Ukraine expected a 15km push from the Dnepr months but it looks they are having trouble crossing the river and blaming informants on why the left of the river isn't under their control. Ukraine will prob the area until they have a wedge. Expect Ukraine to double down this area soon.

>>55534 I think it's more of natto testing the waters to see if they can take over the air defence at parts of Ukraine. First batteries at Romania will shoot down drones going towards them, then they will start targeting missiles launched at Odessa, and then Lemberg will be defended from Poland.

>Dima has a face https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9k_KfSJWF8I

>>55548 Yeah, he's shown his face once or twice on other people's broadcasts. And a babyface it is, heh.

>Ukrainian-Russian war entered in the five hundred and seventieth day while the highly acclaimed Ukrainian counteroffensivehas been in place for three and a half months. These are the gains #UkrainianArmy achieved during this period: >1. Zaporizhia front: >- Lobkove axis: 0,9 sq Km >- Orekhiv axis: 34,8 sq Km >2. Donetsk front >- Velyka Novosilka axis: 15,7 sq Km >- Southern Bakhmut front: 8,4 Km >Regarding the following data the counteroffensive lead to the recapture of 59,8 sq aproximately, which is slightly lower than the gains made in the second month of the counteroffensive. Many media outlets are reporting on the Ukrainian army's gains this month, saying that Russian defence lines have been broken and the Russian army is in a difficult situation. However, these sixty square kilometres have again meant multiple losses in the Ukrainian ranks, in a new phase where a greater number of resources have been employed than in previous phases. >Nevertheless, from an overall view of the front, the front has not changed significantly and the goal of reaching not the Sea of Azov but one of the main locations on the front, Tokmak, seems to be getting further and further away as the weeks go by. >Even on the eastern front, where the Ukrainian army has managed to recapture two towns south of Bakhmut, very important for a future operation to recapture the city, the situation is no better. It has taken the Ukrainian forces three months to take 41 square kilometres at the cost of heavy casualties. Recall that it took the Wagner forces nine weeks to take both locations. Obviously the greater or lesser speed is not intended to demonstrate effectiveness, but rather to show the resistance that in both cases has been experienced on this front since the end of last year, one of the most deadly in the conflict. >The heavy attrition suffered by the Ukrainian side makes it clear that it was impossible to achieve the objectives of this summer counteroffensive. While it cannot yet be said that the Ukrainian army has lost its offensive capabilities, it lacks sufficient resources to keep up the pace of combat for several more months, which would be necessary to break through the Russian defence lines. The small gap achieved by the Ukrainian troops on the Orekhiv front has not led to a collapse of the Russian forces as expected, but the Russian resistance remains unchanged. >It was already mentioned before, but it is necessary to remember that the defenses built during so many months in the southern flank (and that even today are still being built.) had been prepared expressly to stop an offensive of these characteristics, in fact between the main lines of defense there are multiple trenches and defensive lines that make a complex system that cannot be overcome so easily. This palliates the inferiority of Russian troops in these fronts that on the other hand are reinforced with an artillery superiority, making that each locality is defended at the cost of a full destruction, which makes that the Robotino scenario is going to be reproduced again with each locality that the Ukrainian command proposes to recover. >The forecast for the remainder of the fourth month of the offensive remains the same: the Ukrainian army will continue to wear down, making some advances on the southern and Bakhmut fronts, but without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov. On the other hand, the Russian army will remain on the defensive for some more time: part of the mobilized troops will continue to gain experience in rearguard training, while rotations will take place from time to time to avoid attrition of the troops at the front. In fact, the Wagner group is expected to return to the Ukrainian fronts, although no longer as the private military company that we knew, but with little autonomy and closely linked to the army, but with soldiers with great combat experience that will allow them to face the Ukrainian attacks. Taken from Suriyakmaps telegram channel.

>>55553 >Ukrainian counteroffensivehas been in place for three and a half months Huh, it really been that long.. this whole summer just zipped right by > the Wagner group is expected to return to the Ukrainian fronts, although no longer as the private military company that we knew, but with little autonomy and closely linked to the army, but with soldiers with great combat experience that will allow them to face the Ukrainian attacks. Is there still a 'Wagner group' or they been dispersed throughout the forces, how many stayed on or bailed I wonder. The great deal of autonomy and agency of their local commanders is what made them as effective as they were, but that's the opposite of the Russian army's MO, I doubt we'll see them doing what they did under Prigozhin.

>>55556 >Is there still a 'Wagner group' or they been dispersed throughout the forces, how many stayed on or bailed I wonder. The great deal of autonomy and agency of their local commanders is what made them as effective as they were, but that's the opposite of the Russian army's MO, I doubt we'll see them doing what they did under Prigozhin. What is Russia's problem with someone trying to actually win? It makes me wonder if the intent is not to win in Ukraine but to have a frozen conflict. Whether that was always the plan or if the plan got changed to that I couldn't tell.

>>55553 At the very least Russia can rest easy knowing that the Ukies' best died before even breaching the main line of defense. How many casualties so far? 40k for a few hundred sq. of kilometers? They pretty much ceded their 'initiative' for some pitiful gains. >>55558 >What is Russia's problem with someone trying to actually win? It makes me wonder if the intent is not to win in Ukraine but to have a frozen conflict. Whether that was always the plan or if the plan got changed to that I couldn't tell. Typical Kremlin politicking. Basically it's infighting where the top brass are doing the 'crabs in the bucket' mentality, where the most proficient guy in the room gets a target painted on their back for actually doing something beyond what they were asked for. Only this time with ballistic missiles and assassinations. Even Surovikin got the boot for being 'compliant' with Wagner.

>>55559 >Typical Kremlin politicking. Basically it's infighting where the top brass are doing the 'crabs in the bucket' mentality, where the most proficient guy in the room gets a target painted on their back for actually doing something beyond what they were asked for. Only this time with ballistic missiles and assassinations. Even Surovikin got the boot for being 'compliant' with Wagner. It can't possibly be this retarded. Between the shitshow that is Russia, the shitshow that is Ukraine, and the shitshow that is the collective West this is not a thing that can be believed. If it were a plot to a movie I would be calling bullshit and ranting that there's no way that real people would be this dumb. And yet here we are. For fuck sake, I don't want to be huddled around a fire in 10-20 years with a bunch of post atomic war orphans that have regressed to a semi tribal state and when they ask >Elder how did the world become like this? And I have to respond "Well kids once upon a time everyone got so retarded that they all died THE END." Give me a fucking good story to tell at least.

>>55560 >Give me a fucking good story to tell at least. Gotta fucking spoon feed you everything? Make something up.

>>55559 >How many casualties so far? 40k for a few hundred sq. of kilometers? >71k dead in counteroffensive alone Putin said. >270 k enlistements so far this year <enlisted used to rotate mobiks but mobiks will just get R&R period so around 750 k strong army in ukraine >mediazona group tracking russian lossess via obituaries has been reporting record low lossess so far in the operation >47th brigade confirms the losses. their medics tell about lossess entering 4 digits <if the data is true russians have 10:1 k:d ratio <if we assume ukr mod data is true ( https://www.minusrus.com/en ) russians still have 2:1 k:d ratio (not counting vehicles since these are impossible to compare due to difference in quantities used by both sides) >russians have 18k POWs. Tranny in chief had to deny it personally. >ukrainians lack POWs and are trying to exchange one russian prisoner for 15 theirs. <usually number of POWs correlates to number of kills same way wounded correlate with killed Like it sounds like bullshit but there is virtually no data that shows favorable results here for the ukrainian side.

>>55560 >And yet here we are. Story of the world to be fair, history is full of retarded decisions driven by ignorance, greed or plain old retardness Things get interesting when the field is filled with cunning and crafty individuals but usually that kind of history gets too obfuscated over time or seems like a series of random actions when the context isn't documented properly

>>55563 ><usually number of POWs correlates to number of kills But that's only a valid measure if both sides have similar policies for taking PoWs. Weren't there rumours that Ukraine ordered its soldiers to take no prisoners?

>>55560 >If it were a plot to a movie I would be calling bullshit and ranting that there's no way that real people would be this dumb. And yet here we are. This war has made me appreciate that one Sun Tzu quote about how the key to winning wars is to not make mistakes. In a vacuum it sounds absurd, but when you consider wars like this that are a comedy of errors (or rather a tragicomedy) it makes more sense.

>>55565 Of course, it is still worth mentioning. And the correlation is just historical, I dont believe that ukrainians all capable of treating their wounded in presented circumstances. Like, there are hardly any ways to transport them out of Robotyne.

>>55558 >What is Russia's problem with someone trying to actually win? Historically every time the Russian military has performed above and beyond the scope of their assignment, a coup took place shortly after. At least that's the last 300 years of Russian history. Putin is well aware of the danger of military coups and he would rather lose than let the military win on their own terms.

>>55565 As much as I'm sure Ukraine wants to LARP as killing orcs, I think they stopped taking POWs because they are stretched too thin on supplies/manpower to feed and shelter them. This winter is going to be real interesting seeing if the cold or lack of food kills more civilians. They scraped by last winter but this time around the storehouses are empty.

>>55570 Europe can just pay corrupt forrin grainholders then priority mail the supply into Ucrane. Everyone else can just pay more for what's left in the meantime. This war needs to last/end sometime into the West's election cycle next year you know, for peak distractive ideologue banters

>>55571 You can't eat money if nobody is farming, and I'm more concerned with Ukraine being able to feed itself anyways, not with Western countries becoming systematically impoverished.

Old "news" but I got a good chuckle.

>>55595 >nazi merc gets backstabbed by a jew, acts surprised.mp4

Ukraine has filed lawsuits against Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland, arguing those countries have a legal obligation to buy Ukrainian grain.

>>55597 If I could, I would personally execute Orbán, but even I have to admit that he at least has the balls to do the needful in this particular case. Although it would be even better if we just let some in, label it as toxic garbage, and use it as fuel in a power plant. Even if we disregard the economic effects, hohols use way too much pesticide for the grain to be safe.

>>55597 He should try to sue Russia instead, maybe that will work, now that the Spring Offensive™ has gotten delayed until next spring.

>>55570 >this time around the storehouses are empty. By the way how's the natural gas situation shaping up in Ukraine/EU? Last year there was a lot of worry and hubbub about reserves before the winter, is everyone just quietly buying Russian gas now.

>>55597 >Piss off the Poles and start harassing their ambassadors >Poles pull their soft power weight and embargo your grain because Poland grows enough already and get other Eastern Europeans in on the deal >Without Poland buying the grain it faces a higher transportation tax to get out of Ukraine >"Help I'm being oppressed!" lol. lmao even. >>55604 >Natural gas situation Europe had a mild winter against all odds, so they were able to ration and then restore their reserves by continuing rationing through this last year. They've got enough to not freeze this winter but it's also expensive as all hell. Their "solution" was to buy LNG which is pretty much all coming from countries they're supposed to be sanctioning on paper, but the LNG market is so volatile that it's impossible to actually figure out who you are buying from on the international market. So "Yes." The real fun starts around November when American Autumn harvest data comes out and both America and Europe get hit with a new round of inflation that they managed to hide over June/July by fudging numbers.

Oh right, and depending on which sources you use Europe might freeze anyways because the gas they do have will be too expensive. The corporate press has created the illusion that the gas crisis is over so businesses are buying more driving demand, but since they are supposed to be rationing right now, the extra demand is causing prices to double or even triple depending on country over the last 6-9 months.

>>55604 Its still fucked there is simply no way to transport required volume of gas. Everything hings on this winter. And it only will get worse as ability to replenish reserves is dimnished

Destroy russian fascism!

>>55612 And what is the point of this post exactly?

>>55613 It's a /uhg/ tranny from 4/k/Ike leaking in again

I didn't understand. Is this a ukrainophobic board?

>>55622 This is a rational board. Hohols and Vatniks get along here because >we agree on facts even if there are disagreements on philosophies/opinions.

New drone type spoted.

>>55622 Not really, the thing is that mainstream opinion in the west is way too ukrophilic, so any neutral or realistic take is automatically pro-Russian in comparison. I think i don't speak for myself when i say to be pro-Russian insofar a defeat for the western establishment can only be a good thing, yet understand and respect the average Ukrainian in the defense of their country, while despising their leadership for creating the problem in the first place.

>>55622 >I didn't understand. Is this a ukrainophobic board? >phobic Lol. No, but it's clear most regular Streloks here are in flat opposition to the globalists who are driving this debacle forward in the first place. My own take is one of pure pity for the Ukrops who have been sent to their pointless deaths -- in this unwinnable war (for Ukraine) -- purely for the sake of lining the purses of those evildoers. >>55624 >New drone type spoted. Duck & cover!! Heavy headpat bombardments incoming!

Let me ask you this: Is "Russia has won the war" a fair enough assessment? I know they don't have complete supremacy. But they have that 25% of the land they wanted. They aren't going to give it back. We don't have an effective piecemeal way to take it back. I don't see what point there is in taking back the odd town or two when blood payments are having to be paid for them. Is there something strategic that I'm not seeing about trying to reintegrate territory that's been lost/contested? Why would you not sue for peace until you're on a better footing to take it back? Russia has just about managed to tank all that's been thrown, and we've learned enough doctrinally for our hungry arms industry to chew on for a while. What would a conditional victory look like for the West at this point, territorially speaking? No one has said for the sake of denying the reality that you're never going to get all of the bits back. Is the denial somehow to pay off if we're to do it for long enough? It stinks. The whole thing stinks. I'm not anti-Ukraine nor anti-Russia & whether I trust either government is just a sideshow as, in either case, more dead Cossacks simply does not benefit me directly. I'm anti-appeasement, but the job of provable deterrance has by now been done. It's a mockery of us to continue and I don't believe the statistics on public support for it. Some anonymous chucklepost board has ended up the only place where any of it is real.

>>55629 Is this a copy-paste?

>>55629 >But they have that 25% of the land they wanted. Isn't that closer to 99+%, strelok? >Why would you not sue for peace until you're on a better footing to take it back? The jewish clown tried to surrender after just a couple months. His globalist kike masters read him the Riot Act, and ordered him to fight "to the last Ukrainian". >tl;dr There is no 'surrender' here friend. Rather it's 'send every last man into the meat grinder, then flee to Tel Aheeb with every scrap of jewgold I can steal' for the clown & his cohorts. The fatcats in JewSA/Natto don't risk anything further at this stage... thier failed attempt to destroy Russia is already ended. The solitary thing good to come out of this (and it's a big one BTW), is the calamitous downfall of the Petrodollar hegemony has now begun.

>>55612 Why are they stepping on the flag of Belka?

>>55631 I ramble and ask open-ended things, but the concerns are specified and not "I feel sad guys"-tier trolling and the questions are not a loaded sort to "gotcha" one side or another. What about it to you really makes it look like a copypaste psyop? >>55632 Look Dmitriy we're not friends - either side is going to pull your fingernails off and murder you, but Rus1 v Rus2 having a beatdown offers me nothing and in the meantime we're being lied to like we're all just morons. We could pack it in and then our personal role in the bloodletting would from that particular point stop being our fault. Sue for peace, defer the fighting between ethnic Europeans while larger enemies are prowling internationally, or at the very least rein in our munition companies so as to stop them punking us out of big state money for product that gets delayed or drip-fed or lost on its way to Poland. Just declare the war won already so our own scumbag class are wont to shut up and go home.

>>55636 >What about it to you really makes it look like a copypaste psyop? It just came off to me as something from a blog or something

>>55629 >Let me ask you this: Is "Russia has won the war" a fair enough assessment? Territorially, yes. Politically, they're further than ever. The only land mass Russia really needs still to secure their current holdings is Kharkiv. Ideally they'd want everything connected to the Black Sea, but the only way that reasonably happens is if they secure everything East of the Dniepr first and then concentrate their forces pushing west. So long as Ukraine can still fight and still "wants" to fight, this war isn't over though. >I don't see what point there is in taking back the odd town or two when blood payments are having to be paid for them. So long as neocons think they are hurting Russia they don't care. It's about propping up the empire. Russia represents an economic threat to Western nations that unlike China, can actually hold its own through resources. So long as Russia exists, Iran exists, and so long as both exist, they can project power in a way that can undo everything neocons have done over the last 80 years. Neocons are of the general belief that if their works are undone, they will be remembered as the tyrants they were as their empire crumbles, and since neocons think they are facing an ontological evil, this is unacceptable to them. It's like a petulant child flipping the table to avoid losing the game. >Why would you not sue for peace until you're on a better footing to take it back? After Boris made Ukraine throw out the last peace plan and Merkel bragged about Minsk II just being a means of buying time to train Ukraine I think Merkel was just saving her reputation and didn't mean it but that doesn't matter in international politics, Russia won't accept a peace deal that doesn't unilaterally demilitarize Ukraine with assurances from NATO that they are barred from entering NATO. >What would a conditional victory look like for the West at this point For the rational westerner it looks like giving Russia "what it wants" but with a few protections for Ukraine and stipulations that prevent this from happening again in the next century by making Ukraine a neutral demilitarized border country separating Russia from Europe. For the neocons, they won't accept anything short of access to the Caspian Sea and they will force NATO involvement once Ukraine has outlived its usefulness and has either worn down the Russians enough or been worn down too much to continue fighting. We're getting WWIII at this point WWIV in Russia unless the United States defaults on their debt/goes full Reichsmark with inflation or there's a civil war in America. >>55632 >The solitary thing good to come out of this (and it's a big one BTW), is the calamitous downfall of the Petrodollar hegemony has now begun. While there is good reason to hate the petrodollar hegemony, it's not something to celebrate collapsing. The petrodollar hegemony itself wasn't a bad thing as it brought countries out of poverty and gave them a means to compete on the international stage. It's the parasites that latched onto it and forgot the petrodollar was an oiled machine that required servicing its citizens and not just "free money" that destroyed it. I don't celebrate the collapse of America, I lament it heavily as the world will be a dark place for the next 20-50 years. Unfortunately when you've told a child repeatedly not to do something, and spanking doesn't stop the behavior but instead causes them to double down (2008 financial collapse), then the only real action left is to let the kid face the consequences of their actions and learn the hard way. In another timeline NATO disbanded after the collapse of the USSR and America/Russia formed a mega-alliance of classical liberal values, America representing the "new world" of closed-door business deals and Russia representing the old war of palms being greased, but both helping their people along the way.

>>55629 >Let me ask you this: Is "Russia has won the war" a fair enough assessment? No. Atleast, not yet. Both Ukraine or Russia will not stop until the whichever side is militarily exhausted or on the brink of collapse. However, since Russia has the bigger size, my winning bet is on Russia. Welcome to the modern industrial war waged between two peer countries, even if this is still technically a proxy war. The only terms that are accepted, are total defeats and capitulation. Millions of casualties be damned. >>55636 >Just declare the war won already so our own scumbag class are wont to shut up and go home. I hope it's that simple, but it's not. Even if Russia sued for peace first, i don't think UKraine will just let it slide that Russia got to keep the bombed out areas that they took. They will most likely continue to provoke Russia again with their drone attacks as can be seen for the past 6 months. Or hell, even have their plainsclothes militia raid the border with support from the AFU. So any peace that happens between the two, short of any total victory of either side, will not last long.

>"Breaking: Zelenskyy has just arrived at the U.N. National Assembly to demand another 24 billion US taxpayer dollars." https://twitter.com/RealMacReport/status/1704130454507663503 TWO MORE WEEKS

>>55638 >I don't celebrate the collapse of America, I lament it heavily as the world will be a dark place for the next 20-50 years Neither do I, and true enough. But it needs to happen. And quite frankly, I don't expect this age to last beyond perhaps 2060 or so, regardless. The West had it's day of splendor. They chose to sell-out to (((forces))), rather than reach for the stars instead.

>>55638 >So long as neocons think they are hurting Russia they don't care. It's about propping up the empire. Russia represents an economic threat to Western nations that unlike China, can actually hold its own through resources. So long as Russia exists, Iran exists, and so long as both exist, they can project power in a way that can undo everything neocons have done over the last 80 years. Neocons are of the general belief that if their works are undone, they will be remembered as the tyrants they were as their empire crumbles, and since neocons think they are facing an ontological evil, this is unacceptable to them. It's like a petulant child flipping the table to avoid losing the game. And THAT'S the reason that I "support" Russia. This Neocon bullshit has to end. As far Ukraine goes, the only sensible thing they can do is overthrow Zelensky and Co. and whoever new comes in charge sues for an armistice with Russia. >>55639 >Both Ukraine or Russia will not stop until the whichever side is militarily exhausted or on the brink of collapse. That means Ukraine eventually loses because nuclear powers don't collapse without taking their hemisphere with them.

>>55636 >Look Dmitriy we're not friends Fair enough then cocksucker, as you see fit. Mind explaining how you'd see the accomplishment of this 'grand vision of wigger kowtowing-to-kikes peace' you speak of? The ones ripping out your fingernails are already controlling you day in and day out, not the poor Slavs.

I wonder how the Canada-India spat will affect India's balance between cooperation with the West versus involvement in BRICS. Indians seem immensely butthurt about the accusation, not so much because they think it's untrue as because they think the murder was justified. Meanwhile other Western countries don't seem to eager to join in and piss off India even more. Will India's alignment shift further towards Russia?

>>55653 I think at this rate we will see an alliance of convenience against the west, and then the pent up tensions will blow up once there are multiple competing sources of oil and chips, and you have a variety of currencies to choose from. But that will only happen if and when domestic problems paralyze the US both politically and economically.

>>55653 >Canada blocks all Indian phone numbers >Immediate loss of half their GDP CARD STATUS: REDEEMED

>>55653 canada will do whatever benefits china more

>>55661 >"Hello Canada? Yes, this is MicroSoft. Your Windows has told us you have a virus. Yes, it's a bad one, sirs. Yes we will take care of it for you right away. Please send your courier to our address with $50billion in Bearer Bonds. Do you have a pen?"

>>55665 Joke's on them, we've been almost completely replaced so they'd just be fucking over other pajeets anyway.

POLAND COUNTS THEMSELVES OUT OF SUPPLYING UKRAINE WITH GIB ME DATS Surely, this is in preparation for the Intermarrium and rebirth of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth by the Visegrád group? Instead of German toilet cleaners it'll be buger or russian ones once again. Personally, I wonder if this is in prelude to NATO gayops. BBC article talking about no more gibs to Ukraine from Poland. AP article talking about the grain spat and Poland slapping Ukraine like a pimp does to his hoes. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/GiiQV?wr=true https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66873495 >One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has announced it will no longer supply weapons to the country as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates. >The nation's prime minister said it would instead focus on arming itself with more modern weapons. >The move comes as tensions between the two nations rise. >On Tuesday, Poland summoned Ukraine's ambassador over comments made by President Volodymyr Zelensky at the UN. >He said some nations had feigned solidarity with Ukraine, which Warsaw denounced as "unjustified concerning Poland, which has supported Ukraine since the first days of the war". >Poland's prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, announced the decision to no longer supply Ukraine with weapons in a televised address on Wednesday after a day of rapidly escalating tensions between the two countries over grain imports. >The grain dispute began after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine all but closed the main Black Sea shipping lanes and forced Ukraine to find alternative overland routes. >That in turn led to large quantities of grain ending up in central Europe. >Consequently, the European Union temporarily banned imports of grain into five countries; Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia to protect local farmers, who feared Ukrainian grain was driving down the prices locally. >The ban ended on 15 September and the EU chose not to renew it, but Hungary, Slovakia and Poland decided to keep on implementing it. >The European Commission has repeatedly stated that it is not up to individual EU members to make trade policy for the bloc. >Earlier this week, Ukraine filed lawsuits to the World Trade Organisation (WTO) against those countries over the bans, which it said were a violation of international obligations. >Ukraine's Economy Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said that "it is crucially important for us to prove that individual member states cannot ban imports of Ukrainian goods". >But Poland said they would keep the ban in place, and a "complaint before the WTO doesn't impress us". >Despite the ban, the three countries said they would still allow grain to be transported through them to other markets. >The French Foreign Minister, Catherina Colonna said on Wednesday an EU study revealed Ukrainian grain imports would not cripple European farmers, and described the tensions as "regrettable". >Poland has provided much support to Ukraine as it defends itself against Russia, urging Germany to provide the country with Leopard 2 battle tanks, pledging fighter jets to the country and welcoming more than 1.5m refugees from Ukraine. https://apnews.com/article/poland-ukraine-grain-russia-war-f14ca84b946b42821688d0d175cfa9e3 https://ghostarchive.org/archive/8Cp3i >WARSAW, Poland (AP) — A dispute about whether Ukrainian grain should be allowed to enter the domestic markets of Poland and other European Union countries has pushed the tight relationship between Kyiv and Warsaw to its lowest point since Russia invaded Ukraine last year. >Polish leaders have compared Ukraine to a drowning person hurting his helper and threatened to expand a ban on food products from the war-torn country. Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy suggested that EU allies that are prohibiting imports of his nation’s grain are helping Russia. >Poland, on NATO’s eastern flank, has been a staunch supporter of Ukraine, sending weapons and humanitarian aid and opening its borders to refugees. [...] Now, Polish officials, who are trying to win parliamentary elections next month with help from farmers’ votes, are expressing dismay over some of Ukraine’s latest moves, including a World Trade Organization complaint over bans on Ukrainian grain from Poland and two other EU countries. [...] >Poland’s ruling party faces an election challenge from a new far-right coalition, Confederation, whose leaders complain that the country is doing too much to help Ukraine and claim Ukraine isn’t grateful enough. >The rift also shows how Ukraine and its neighbors are competing agricultural powers and how European defense of domestic farmers could complicate Kyiv’s hopes for a future path into the EU.Ukraine also threatened this week to ban some Polish food items, but appeared to back off that. Such a move would bring only more bans from Poland, Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said. >“I am warning the Ukrainian authorities, because if they escalate the conflict in this way, we will add more products to the ban on imports into Poland,” Morawiecki said Wednesday on Polsat News. >He argued that Ukrainian officials do not seem to understand how Poland’s agricultural market has been destabilized by the war. [...] >In Bulgaria, the pro-Russia Socialist party has submitted a proposal to parliament to ban foods from Ukraine. So far, the government is just halting the import of sunflower seeds until a quota is agreed with Kyiv. >Prime Minister Nikolai Denkov announced the measure late Tuesday after lengthy talks with farmers who launched a nationwide protest last week over parliament’s decision to lift a ban on Ukrainian imports, citing higher food prices.

>>55672 Zelensky is such a retard lmao, surely as a politician he should how to pick his battles

>>55672 >One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland I think it's more that Poland just really fucking hates Russia and probably vis-a-versa. Like Turkey vs. Greek tier hate. >He said some nations had feigned solidarity with Ukraine God he talks like one of the fucking gay alphabet people on twitter complaining about people playing Hogwarts. >>55675 He's been a dumbfuck like this from the very start. He apparently still doesn't get that he's being used by America and Europe to bother Russia. Or who knows maybe he does realize it some times and that's why he keeps acting so dramatic and keeps trying to pull NATO forces in directly because he knows how precarious his position is and how easy it would be for him to end up experiencing the Prigozhin treatment. It's truly astounding, this man Zelensky. It's taken 400 years for humanity to produce a warlord more obnoxious and more distasteful than Kobayakawa Hideaki, but somehow the country of Ukraine managed to pull it off. And this one doesn't even have a cool looking emblem and set of armor to mitigate things.

>>55681 >It's truly astounding, this man Zelensky. It's taken 400 years for humanity to produce a warlord more obnoxious and more distasteful than Kobayakawa Hideaki, but somehow the country of Ukraine managed to pull it off. And this one doesn't even have a cool looking emblem and set of armor to mitigate things. Kek. This actually enlightens things for me a bit strelok, thanks. The wee little jew is such a literal comedian, it's been hard for me to perceive him as anything but a joke. But the simple fact is that -- puppet or no -- he is in fact a warlord who has already sent 100's of thousands of his own men to their deaths. Pretty stunning when you think about it from the historical perspective like that.

>>55681 >Ukraine’s first lady urged world leaders on Tuesday to help return Ukrainian children forcibly taken to Russia, where she said they were being indoctrinated and deprived of their national identity. Speaking on the sidelines of the UN general assembly, Olena Zelenska said more than 19,000 Ukrainian children had been transferred by force or deported to Russia or occupied territories. Give us those Russian kids, back Russia! We need them gang-pressed to go fight Russia!111 www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/sep/20/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-olena-zelenska-child-abductions-moscow-drone-attacks-belgorod-oryol

I read somewhere that Ukraine announced they had attacked the Wagner group to the point of their retreat... in Sudan. Is the African front about to open up? Surely they can't be this retarded now with a bunch of african countries forming a coup alliance and mostly being sympathetic to Wagner/Russia if only because they are not french. >>55653 India reminds me a lot of many latin american countries including my own, they persist and decry they are all the same people united but the moment some ethnic tension happens they go full overdrive into denying and covering it up, usually not very well. My guess is that these kind of events compromise the nations' entire concept and purpose, although this doesn't always affect them like in the case of Dominican Republic which went the other site of the spectrum with the whole "jewish refugee eugenics island"

>>55687 It's because nobody believes in equality in India but it's legally mandated. Same shit happens when they talk about women in parliament and you bring up that the shitting street is also the rape street. Imagine having the Chinese women problem due to entitlement but you can't even blame a one-child policy for being entitled and you have India.

>>55681 >It's taken 400 years for humanity to produce a warlord more obnoxious and more distasteful than Kobayakawa Hideaki, Spoonfeed me the history lesson

https://archive.ph/Z4nnb https://archive.ph/GohXD It ain't looking so good.

>>55444 "HE A GUD COCKSUCKER, HE DINDU NUFFIN", reportedly claimed the deranged cocksucker's momma. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ukraines-american-trans-spox-picks-fight-us-senator-jd-vance

>>55691 Would you please stop using archive.today sites or at least provide the original links. Some of us can't access that thanks.

>>55672 Remember that Poland is not an independent, rational state. They WILL let you down. >>55692 You are late, pre op bob has been dismissed.

>>55690 >also known as Kingo >adopted son of Hideyoshi >fought in the Korean Invasion >managed to piss Hideyoshi off by leading a reckless charge against the enemy >also attacked civilian women and children during the war to the disgust of the other samurai generals >loses his private domain because of this >gets it in his head that Ishida Miitsunari is the one responsible for his bad luck >privately pledges undying hatred against him >several years later Battle of Sekigahara happens >pretends to pledge to Mitsunari's side >at the critical moment betrays him leading to the other warlords abandoning Mitsunari for Ieyasu >as it turned out Ieyasu was the person that started the rumor that Mitsunari was responsible for Kingo's bad luck >after the war he goes crazy >drinks himself to death in 2 years >has no heir >his entire clan gets disbanded and absorbed into a neighboring clan >is remembered as a coward >while contemporary depictions of samurai of the era depict the various generals vary from noble knights to doomed stoic warriors to cold calculating strategists to literal demon kings, Hideaki is almost always depicted as a weak, effeminate, and often conniving individual Even the guy that killed his own master, burned down a Buddha, and blew himself with his favorite teapot to stop Nobunaga from getting it is more kindly remembered than young master Kingo.

>>55693 https://twitter.com/UrsulaPerano/status/1704577712067596400 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1704606498683326926 Sorry.

>>55696 >implying warlord chinese and both white and reds during russian civil war were not more despicable.

>>55696 >Even the guy that killed his own master, burned down a Buddha, and blew himself with his favorite teapot to stop Nobunaga from getting it is more kindly remembered than young master Kingo. He did get the second best set in nioh though (because of his reputation as a backstabbing coward)

Russians have stopped going for Ukrainian grain ports and silos and is now aiming at energy facilities in western and Central Ukraine. Ukrainian officials are warning to brace for difficult cold winter.

>>55597 ukraine burning bridges. This is a good way to take your allies from not supporting you, to rooting for your complete and utter defeat. >>55672 good.

>>55668 I had to laugh when I saw news reports about how India's latest retaliation (banning Canadians from getting visas to travel to India) has "stranded" Indian-Canadians. I like those little slips, where they reveal what they really consider to be their home country and where their allegiance lies. How can people who are supposedly Canadian be "stranded" in Canada?

>>55701 Like every third revenant was wearing the Kingo set.

Pentagon exempts Ukraine operations from potential government shutdown The Pentagon will exempt its Ukraine operations from a potential shutdown if lawmakers can’t agree on a deal to fund the government by the end of the month, allowing key training and other activities in support of Kyiv’s forces to move ahead uninterrupted, according to a Defense Department spokesperson. Washington is more resigned to the looming government shutdown every day. As the Sept. 30 deadline approaches, congressional leaders showed little progress this week in moving a stopgap funding bill to avert that scenario. The House was in chaos on Thursday as a group of GOP hardliners tanked a vote that could have offered a path to fund the government. But if lawmakers fail to reach an agreement and government appropriations lapse, DOD has decided to continue activities supporting Ukraine, DOD spokesperson Chris Sherwood told POLITICO Thursday — just hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. Mark Milley and other senior leaders at the Pentagon. “Operation Atlantic Resolve is an excepted activity under a government lapse in appropriations,” Sherwood said, referring to the named operation for DOD’s activities in response to the Russian invasion. The move means that the U.S. military’s activities related to the war, such as training of Ukrainian soldiers on American tactics and equipment, as well as shipments of weapons to Kyiv, will continue despite any potential shutdown. As recently as Tuesday, Sherwood had said the shutdown could halt those activities, as POLITICO first reported. It’s good news for Zelenskyy, as U.S. and European officials worry that international support for continuing to aid Ukraine could be waning. Zelenskyy also pleaded his case with lawmakers on Capitol Hill on Thursday morning before heading to the White House to meet with President Joe Biden. The Biden administration is also expected to announce a new package of military aid for Ukraine later on Thursday, including additional air defenses and artillery. During the White House meeting, Biden announced a new $325 million package of aid for Ukraine, including more air defenses, artillery and additional cluster munitions. He also said that the first of the U.S. Army’s M1 Abrams tanks pledged to Kyiv are expected to arrive on the battlefield next week. Typically, when the government shuts down, all military activities stop unless they are deemed critical to national security. For example, during the 2018 shutdown, then-Defense Secretary James Mattis said the U.S. military would continue hunting the Islamic State in the Middle East, but training for tens of thousands of Guard and Reserve forces was abruptly canceled. By law, the Pentagon chief can make exceptions to activities suspended under a government shutdown, Sherwood said, noting that the decision to exempt Ukraine operations was just made. Only military training and exercises “required to achieve and maintain operational readiness and to prepare for and carry out such operations” will be exempted from a potential shutdown this year, according to guidance issued by the Pentagon last week. Sherwood noted that while DOD’s activities related to Ukraine will continue, furloughs and other activities halted under the shutdown could still have a negative impact. “Training would happen, but depending on whether or not there were certain personnel that were not able to report for duty, for example, that could have an impact,” said Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder on Thursday. The U.S. military is currently training hundreds of Ukrainians in Europe, from teaching them American battlefield tactics to how to use the Abrams. Several Ukrainian pilots and dozens of maintainers are also slated to start training on F-16 fighter jets at a U.S. base shortly. As of Sept. 20, international forces had trained more than 84,000 Ukrainians on Western weapons and tactics, according to DOD spokesperson Col. Martin O’Donnell. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/21/pentagon-exempts-ukraine-operations-from-shutdown-00117482 https://archive.ph/oGjjZ

>>55710 >Pentagon exempts Ukraine operations from potential government shutdown At the end of the day it's just bread and circuses to accuse the other of doing badthing so of course they're going to just go around the shutdown if they want to accomplish something. We were supposed to have a shutdown at the beginning of this congress but the previous congress went out of their way to pass a spending bill anticipating this result. I'm sick of the sob stories from all these government kikes and government-adjacent kikes every time someone fights back against giving the heroin addict more heroin when they're on the brink of overdosing. Absolutely nothings says congress can't pass individual funding bills (which the freedom faction has said they will vote in favor of) instead of shoveling through another satanic omnibus package. Somethings tells me Matt Gaetz won't cave but his fellow freedom faction members will under pressure. MTG might be a reasonable girl but she's also a traitor.

>>55710 >The Pentagon will exempt its Ukraine operations from a potential shutdown if lawmakers can’t agree on a deal to fund the government by the end of the month I'm pretty sure they can't constitutionally do that. I know, funny joke right.

>>55712 The way they circumvent the constitution is that the constitution says that congress controls the budget. Effectively since congress controls the budget but doesn't control the individual payroll of individuals, the DOD enslaves military members (they are considered government property under various rulings and not people, this is why the military opposes abortion questions because it could bring into question whether they can legally do this), and issues IOUs to all the people they forcefully enslaved during the no-funds period, pulling the money from their discretionary funding or R&D funding if funding is denied for a particular sector. Welcome to military industrial politics. t. Builds things for the military industrial complex.

>>55710 >Pentagon exempts Ukraine operations from potential government shutdown They didn't get the memo; It's over. The surge failed. Lines are solidified once winter hits. Poland knows. US cuckservatives know. Even the Ukrainian armed forces know this, which is why they fired that fat troon spokesman - If you think you're going to win you're not worried about "violating international norms" (especially when it's just spicy rhetoric)...those concerns are reserved for the loser. I really shouldn't be surprised how slow the DoD is to adapt to reality.

>>55726 This isn't even including the billions in equipment.

>>55727 Wouldnt that be under "military aid" ?

>>55727 >This isn't even including the billions in equipment. It's a bit harder the shuffle an M1 Abrams back over into the purses of JewSA/Natto (((leaders))), converted into ready-to-hand jewgold sheqels, strelok. Best to always focus on the essentials first!

>>55728 I am not sure. I figured this was money given for specific purposes (while financial is general purpose.) I didn't think they attempted to quantify that with dollar amounts. I've heard US expenditure alone towards ukraine much higher than the total of 322b in this chart.

>>55374 And/or a falseflag somehow. Hmm. Blow up the Polandstream Baltic Gas Pipeline themselves in the good old tradition of backstab orgy? >>55653 India was laughing at the clown world and blatantly gouging them for at least year and half. Basically, «What are they going to do now — “sanction” us too?» https://web.archive.org/web/20220608135222/http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=63128

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12542905/Volodymyr-Zelenskyy-secret-NYC-meeting-JPMorgan-Google-Blackstone.html >The meeting was hosted by the nation's largest bank, JPMorgan, on Wednesday evening, and included Google CEO Eric Schmidt, billionaire Mike Bloomberg, New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman. >The former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and billionaire Barry Sternlicht were also in attendance, sources told CNN. Pardon me for noticing, but uhhh was anyone in attendance not jewish?

>>55733 Nice. That's a hefty little bomba. https://www.eurasiantimes.com/russia-unleashes-monster-fab-1500-mp4-bomb-to-hit-ukraine/

>>55735 Go back to sleep goyim, this is important business. None of your affair!

>>55734 >in the good old tradition of backstab orgy? The Poles may soon be (((deemed))) more trouble than they're worth is what you're saying, strelok?

>>55735 Anon it's purely a coincidence I assure you.

>>55389 >“There is unlimited potential for biogas in this country,” said Serhii Kravchuk, Gals Agro’s co-founder and chief executive. Which they for some reason did not try until completely out of options. > that feeds five large tanks called digesters. > Each digester holds 20,000 cubic meters of brown slurry A good article on what happens next: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4078820/The-great-green-guzzler-Monster-digesters-meant-guzzle-waste-churn-eco-friendly-energy-fed-CROPS-produce-pitiful-levels-power-cost-216m-subsidies-HARM-environment.html >>55403 >Great idea imo as recycling might be a meme but early research for alternative bio-fuels is always good to pave the way to having portable energy sources that can fully replace fossil fuels when they run out. This can work (if not all across the board, and not competitive at the start) — in theory. In practice, it cannot be done, and the greatest problem is neither engineering nor specific in nature. This stuff is necessarily subsidized. In the clown world this means: controlled by the meddling bureaucrats. Who always optimize process for perpetuating their jobs, bogus statistics and/or kickbacks, at the expense of the end user’s needs. If R&D and industry actually tried to build useful (if niche) infrastructure components, they could. They managed to get shit done with worse ideas. But when warped by perverse incentives, they instead waste resources on oversized abominations in late USSR style that in the end only make things worse in several stupid ways. Then the intended users are forced to use those (presumably via generous and benevolent exemptions from extortion, as usual). The end results are described in the Daily Mail article (above): dead sheep and sludge wastelands.

>>55740 Yeah, biogas is pretty great for running the heat pumps in a downtown city through the wastewater facility or powering a local auxiliary generator, but it simply can't produce enough fuel to power a power plant or something similar without toobs (which makes it more expensive than traditional hydrocarbons).

>>55735 Bob Kraft's travel masseuse, you bigot

>>55735 I wish they suffer a terror attack.

The Ukranians need to be more careful with their NATO tanks, they can't just leave them laying around like this.

>>55738 The Poles were too factious for the entirety of their history. Thus very unreliable puppets. The question is at which point do they and those downstream outlive their usefulness become cheaper to drop in the pit than to string along some more. >>55741 Yes. This guy is not an energy company, he’s just a farmer. What he obviously never needed is an industrial scale monster digester that must be fed corn. Then again, it seems nobody else needs those things either. There is a sensible niche for biogas: make cheap local fuel from readily available refuse (which is intrinsically limited), and hopefully made it less troublesome (in that conditions in these vats are likely to kill most other things). No bigwig wants this, they like big clumsy things with one head, one neck, and the leash. Producing as much as possible from feed stock that itself needs to be made somehow adds inefficiencies that a sane decision process would consider only as a desperate move, and even then preferably after it actually works in the valid niche.

>>55735 >Henry Kissinger If there's a prime candidate for someone being a reptilian, it's that feller

The poles are being schizos again. Now claiming they will supply ukraine. Guess its election year... Bidup confirmed that UAF will get the longer range atacams missle thats around 190miles or 400km range.

Told you.

Russia is getting fucked everywhere on the front wow

>>55757 Do you have any details, or should we wait for Dima's update?

>>55758 idk I just visited deepstatemap and saw a bunch of stuff captured by ukraine

>>55758 I'm looking at LiveUA who should be reporting if Russians are getting fucked and not really seeing anything other than "Russians bombing energy infrastructure again" and >Russian forces conducting offensive actions in Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Ukrainian military had 30 combat engagements with Russian forces near Minkivka, Orikhovo-Vasylivka and Hryhorivka of Donetsk region, Andriyivka of Donetsk region, Avdiyivka and Syeverne of Donetsk region, Maryinka and Krasnohorivka of Donetsk region, Robotyne and Verbove of Zaporizhzhia region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

>>55761 ?

>>55765 Wow. Is that it?

Ukraine sending more mechanized equipment in Kherson direction and 3 brigades pulled from Western Ukraine . Kherson city itself gets a 3pm curfew. Another raid in the Dachi settlement.

>>55747 >biogas isn't it pretty much just methane? I'm surprised there's not more accidents from the dudes storing it in innertubes and air mattresses, lol. I considered making the floating drum biogas generator, but the weather is too cold. (also considered painting it black and placing a "hot" compost pile around it, but I thought temp regulation would be tricky). Also not raising livestock so raw material input would be lacking.

>>55783 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zelensky-asks-spirit-cooker-marina-abramovic-be-ambassador-ukraine-help-rebuild-schools The 'Allies' have, since at least WW2, all been puppets of the Synagogue of Satan.

>Zelensky visits Canada and speaks in front of Parliament >as part of the event, Canadian parliament invite a Ukrainian WWII veteran who fought against the Russians, and gives him a standing ovation to honour his heroism >the next day they remember "oh shit, fighting against Russia in WWII means he was a Nazi" and have to issue an apology and condemn the guy instead This fucking country.

>>55790 >Jewish Oligarch addresses Parliament >standing O for OG Nazi Makes as much sense as anything these days.

>>55791 It's not even like it was secret. The guy was literally in a Waffen-SS division. Zelensky joined in the ovation, by the way.

>>55790 >This fucking country. We have always been at war with Eurasia, eh?

>>55793 Why are you mad at a based act The entire West should be celebrating them

>>55790 >This fucking country. Many such cases. Sad.

>>55790 >oh uh, sorry 'bout that eh. Clown world is real. It is. It really is.

>>55802 Under the Trudeauist doctrine of "if you kill your enemies, they win", this makes perfect sense.

Interesting news of the past week: >russian admirality building in sevastopol gets missiled a few times, lossess unkown >black sea fleet moves out of sevastopol >ukrainians capture "villages" south of Bahmut. >they are not even ruined, they are just rubble,

>>55806 >russian admirality building in sevastopol gets missiled a few times, lossess unkown This is just embarrassing, are the navy that useless? You have ships! Use them! >black sea fleet moves out of sevastopol Even more pitiful. The navy are just floating targets the whole year. Barely any action undertook by them besides blockading the port (but even then almost no enforcement beyond a few boardings) >ukrainians capture "villages" south of Bahmut. Wow, took them long enough. This is no surprise give then glacial pace of the Spring Summer Fall offensive. >they are not even ruined, they are just rubble, No mention of their convoy train being hit by an airstrike? Atleast the Aviation are pulling their weight this offensive.

>>55807 >are the navy that useless? Kinda, there are way more missiles and drones than ships to destroy and Russia lacks the umbrella of defense the US navy has.

>>55807 >No mention of their convoy train being hit by an airstrike? It was hit by Tornado-S Guided Missile. That being said, Russian airforce has been steadily increasing the use of PGM so looks like they've finally gotten the right tools for the job.

Are there any good places for discussion of the war other than here? Most places seem to be retarded. I don't care about it being biased one way or the other as long as the users are somewhat intelligent and it isn't a hugbox.

>>55807 Yes black sea fleet is completly useless. Generally russian navy is, well maybe not the bottom tier since poland exists but it is shit. They spammed some missiles back at the start but other sources are easier to supply. >villages Yeah Andrievka was falling for like 4 months. >convoy Thats routine stuff. We get at least one strike of that scale every week and spam of glidebombs everyday. If you are interested, 4/k/ considers this train video a miss, cope for rafinery in Kursk getting struck, spam and probably a fake made by indian. /k/ Is hands down the worst board on 4chan now, and that does include /trash/ . >>55810 Not really but check out Moon of Alabama https://www.moonofalabama.org/

>>55810 >Are there any good places for discussion of the war other than here? Sadly not, even here is shit. I don't care for the Ukrainians or the Russians, I just want to see cool military technology in action and people explode. However if you look at this thread and the last ones, you will see many cool moments of the war missing or declared to be nothing, because the wannabe-vatniks that hover over these threads don't like their world view violated. If you go to other places on the internet it's "the war is over for Russia for the 1000th time" and if you look at some of the posters here, all they are able to contribute are claims that "the war is over for Ukraine for the 1000th time". Unlike image boards of the past, there is no deeper insight into the topic to be found here.

>>55813 This place is only what we will make out of it, you can post whatever you want so fucking help me make this place worthwhile.

>>55806 >>55814 I don't even know where I would even go to find information to repost here. I don't trust any western website, I don't speak Russian, I don't trust any youtuber and I don't want to make a telegram account. So, I just browse here and reply once in a while.

Allegedly the Russian Black Sea Fleet commander is kill.

>>55790 https://babylonbee.com/news/canadian-parliament-gives-standing-ovation-to-mecha-hitler-for-role-in-killing-russians

>>55816 HQ missle spam a couple days ago?

>>55815 According to Dima you have to go to Telegram and search for diamonds in the shit.

>>55816 And 30 officers but come on the track record of these claims is abysmal, last week ukrainians claimed several VDV commanders were killed in Andrievka iirc in the mentioned south of bahmut, including Popov. You know that guy transfered to Syria for supposedly complaining about lack of counter artillery radars. Like there is not even enough space to hold all these commanders in that village. >>55819 Basically. Other sources just catalog things found in there. Except for rare analyses of neutral military experts and even rarer analysis of satelite images. Shit is fucked.

>>55813 Right now I don't have time to sift through shit and when I have free time I don't want to sift through shit. When this war stops being a stalemate I'll take a more active interest and post updates again. Until then I get my weekly History Legends update and that's good enough to stay afloat regarding the situation.

>>55824 Lol Ukrainians claim they made some sort of breakthrough. As in they managed to get some light vehicles over the tank ditchesand are fighting on the outskirts of Verbove and Novoprokopivka. Just like for the past 3 weeks or so. Abrams are in. Secret component of chobham armor might or might not be asbestos. There was also a drone attack on Kursk airfield, official story is no losses but commander went to make a photo of the EWed fallen drone which exploded shortly after, killing him and some others. Russians struck "empty hotel" in Odessa full of mercs.

>>55824 >The long war With who's weapons? With who's money? America can't keep up the supplies forever.

>>55820 >Shit is fucked. Hardly. This has, by far, been the most well-documented war so far, media-over-run. Even with the traditional fog of war, this has been rather transparent in most ways. The mis- & disinformation on the part of the hohols (& the West in general) has been comically over the top, about par for Russia, but drone and other surveillance has afforded Strelok a better front row seat than anything thus far.

>>55824 Any chance you can share your ffmpeg settings for this one strelok?

>>55825 >Russians struck "empty hotel" in Odessa full of mercs. Really? I was wondering why would they destroy a hotel and later thought that the hohols were doing something there. >>55830 >ffmpeg settings Just used yt-dlp -f 244+251 JtVE4Wp5Z1A

>Grain warehouses being blown up in Odessa >Odessa, Dnipro, and the small settlements along the Kherson river got macross spammed with missiles >Storm shadow missile strikes mysteriously stopped after Odessa got hit >Explosions reported in Reni >Drone strikes in Orlivka >Drone fragments fell into Romania Aren't Russians getting a little too close to the Romanian border? What was at those targets to justify the risk? Or was it just dick-waving? Pics unrelated.

>>55831 >>55825 From the limited sources I've read, the hotel was allegedly full of Ukrainian officer staff and the "mercs" are a plan B coverup.

>>55809 Thank fuck for that, it's unfortunate that they only got good during this stage of the war and not the first 24 hours where they could've wreak havoc on Ukrainian military installations. Their performance in 2022 is underwhelming but they performed remarkably better this year. I sure hope they could outgrind the Ukrainian Air Force before the NATO jets come in. >>55826 >America can't keep up the supplies forever. Strelok, you really don't know how far your government will do to fuck the common citizen for their own selfish interests do you? >>55832 The only guy on Youtube i trust on the Russian-Ukranian war coverage. His thumbnails are clickbaity as fuck but the man's gotta play by the rules to thrive so eh. His interview with the Chechen is cool btw.

>>55826 >With who's weapons? With who's money? America can't keep up the supplies forever.

Heard one of the Ukrops few remaining MiGs was clapped on the ground today.

>>55837 >Heard one of the Ukrops few remaining MiGs was clapped on the ground today. rip in piece migger....

>>55837 Surprised it didn't get caught in the airfield bombings.

>>55813 Spergkraut, good to see you again >>55825 >"empty hotel" in Odessa full of mercs In my ignorance i am starting to believe maybe most of those civilian targets the serbs hit in the Sarajevo siege were not really civilian, it's been a recurrent thing in modern eastern wars >>55832 >Sunburn in Janeiro on Day 1 Aren't those parts of the world in winter around this time of the year?

>>55845 Weather says it's a high of 30/40C today/tomorrow before dropping into the mid-20s. Probably just where it's at and how ocean currents are hitting. >>55836 >>55835 >America never giving up a chance for blood sacrifices It's not about what they want to do it's hard numbers. Those Abrams tanks will stop working in a few weeks without proper maintenance which traditionally was done domestically. LaPlante can bluster all he wants about how he's "making industry changes" and how "there won't be shortages." I've seen the mandates from up-high and those filthy Jews are just telling contractors to quintuple production without understanding that there are staffing and physical location size/power consumption limitations from the economy taking a nosedive, and that nobody will work for subcontractor wages when working as a pizza delivery guy pays better in all these centralized cities. FFS I'm leaving the MIC this month because of shit wages and now quintupled quotas that our facility doesn't have the physical space to handle. They have a pothead who smokes at work managing thermal shock testing because they couldn't find anyone else willing to sit in front of an oven & freezer twiddling their thumbs for 14 hours straight making less than Amazon employees.

>>55832 >Aren't Russians getting a little too close to the Romanian border? Yeah the town is basically on the border. But its just some scrap, the worst Romanians can do is send Putin ticket for loitering. >What was at those targets to justify the risk? Last remaining operational ukrainian ports on Danube. >>55835 >The only guy on Youtube i trust on the Russian-Ukranian war coverage. His thumbnails are clickbaity as fuck but the man's gotta play by the rules to thrive so eh. His interview with the Chechen is cool btw. I think Weeb is the best in the terms of actually using verified data. HisLeg is good for operational level stuff. I also watch some ukrainian sources but they are outright propaganda. >>55837 I am still flabergasted at hohols still having su-24 somehow.

>>55847 Weeb is getting annoying with his analysis, so many words to say so little

>>55816 Turned out to be bullshit as expected, the guy appeared in today's MoD meeting.

>>55837 Actually, that's a third MiG knocked out in as many days. There are videos for each one of them but too lazy to go back trough TG. Lancets have been upgraded to be able to hit at 70 km range, as seen when ( almost) striking a parked MiG three days ago. In addition to that, a new type of Kamikaze UAV has been revealed about a week ago, supposedly its based on Shaheed/ Gearan, burt it's been fully reworked. Claimed range is 200+ km, ability to use camera for terminal guidance (Harop) style and has 'Kometa' anti jamming module . >>55835 >it's unfortunate that they only got good during this stage of the war and not the first 24 hours where they could've wreak havoc on Ukrainian military installations. Agree. They look like they've started to somewhat unfuck themselves by adapting and increasing guided FAB's and generally increasing the productions of PGM, Drones and surveillance equipment in the last year. But I can't not get the feeling that this war would have been over as they plan had they actually entered it gloves off and took lessons from Syria/ 2020 Kabarakh. >>55850 That's a solid 85+ skill points in Necromancy Russians got there. Is it possible to learn such power?

>>55849 Absolutly and his voice is awfull. >>55850 Told you. Though he looks like zombie, might be a corpse. Then again a corpse from eating a cruise missile would not be in such a good condition most likely. Attrition report! I forgot to report on that but Poltava recruitment guy claimed that units mobilized from his region are at 80-90% casualties. These numbers are confirmed by some ukrainian soldiers on the ground but again, grain of salt. Its old news so I will not get in depth unless asked to. On another hand there was recently a dubious claim by one of pro-ukro osint dudes that according to official data, russian military budget, amount of money paid to the family of killed and wounded Russians suffered : ~350k killed and same amount of wounded. Three things though: >data on how military budget is split is not public and the only source used is Ukrainian MOD >even if it was true, and it might be since most likely this spending is based/grown from soviet cold war era doctrine Ukrainians do have access to, its a total budget allocated to pensions for the entire year, not the current casualties. As in, it is an upper floor as envisioned by very pessimistic cold war analysts. >Milley recently stated that there are currently 200+k russians in Ukraine. Like, there are not even enough numbers there to reach such a score Even pro-Ukrainian side did not believe it and it was swept under the rug quickly. Ukrainians claim to have destroyed 2786 artillery pieces since June 1, on average 23 guns per day. Again, there is basically no proof of this happening but it is core of Ukrainian propaganda, they will win when Russia runs out of artillery which is steadilly getting annihilated. If anything there are more instances of HIMARS being used to hit some completly trivial operational level shit, which would rather point to lack of artillery on Ukrainian side. There are reports of Ukrainians rallying more and more on technicals now. I have seen no solid proof but can believe it, three weeks ago after Rabotino fell they were already attaching mine plows to Maxpros, which does not bode well for the state of their heavy equipment.

Now that regular G*rms have been supposedly observed to inhabit Leo 2s in NATOKommissariat Hoholistan, can the 自衛隊 get there with Type 10s in time for the final victory of western values?

>>55851 >Is it possible to learn such power?

>>55855 >Fourth mp4 Great, now Ukraine won't just have alcoholic slavs, now they'll have alcoholic PTSD ridden slavs for the forseeable future. I'm certain their VA Benefits isn't better than what the west has on offer.

>>55852 >>55846 >sit in front of an oven & freezer twiddling their thumbs for 14 hours straight making less than Amazon employees. Sounds pretty chill, amazon warehouses are a hellhole by comparison - there's a good reason they have to pay well, even with that their turnover is very high. and at any rate "thermal shock testing" sounds much cooler than "warehouse drone" >>55847 >I am still flabergasted at hohols still having su-24 somehow. I general I'm continually amazed at the endless stockpiles of old soviet shit, is there any chance they'll turn those over completely by the end of this conflict?

>>55855 Gopniks make it hard for me to root for them when they keep calling the Ukrainians "Nazis". Just call them jewish drones and I'll be happy to donate a symbolic sum of $14 to your military every month. But if you keep calling them nazis then I can't help it but remain "neutral" and just watch 2 slavs kill each other.

>>55849 >so many words to say so little Not a bad reflection of this entire conflict, if you ask me. >>55851 >war would have been over as they plan had they actually entered it gloves off Hindsight 20/20 and all but the war^H^H^H special military operation was only supposed to last 3 days so probably wanted to take the infrastructure intact as much as possible. >>55861 >a symbolic sum of $14 no .88 cents? c'mon fetanigger

>>55861 Why not both?

>>55864 I was watching this going "How are they getting away with even admitting this? Why haven't the Jews phoned in 'Shut it down!'? Then saw it was 'Pooland TV reporting to you live from somewhere in hohol land'. Any word from the EU puppets about their dead crews/mercs/whatever, Strelok?

>>55865 >Any word from the EU puppets about their dead crews/mercs/whatever, Strelok? Germany has thoroughly debunked this. Their proof is that they have issued a statement saying "There are no German tank crews in Ukraine". In the face of such insurmountable evidence, it's obvious that Russia's claims are pure disinformation.

>>55864 At first I was wondering if it was some German training regiment on the border, but then >In Zaporizhia Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>55866 Even if they were German, that would honestly be the best response to prevent further escalation. Easier to write off a tank crew than to have an international incident. I'd like to hear interviews from the PoWs since Germany wrote them off. No interview = probably fake and gay. >Recently Ukraine rejected 10 Leopard tanks for "poor condition" >Hence Germans coming out to show them how to work them Beggars can't be choosers. Didn't anyone ever teach these slavs not to look a gift horse in the mouth?

>>55868 Did they get any PoWs or did the whole crew die? >to prevent further escalation That's obviously a very possible outcome, and one that all sides would rather avoid. But at the same time, there's also the possibility that uncovering secret involvement of troops in direct combat would be the sort of scandal that could reduce support for Ukraine among the populace. What are Germany's rules for democratic accountability when it comes to combat deployments of their troops?

>>55866 >There are no German tank crews in Ukraine Only the corpses of a German tank crew. >>55869 >What are Germany's rules for democratic accountability when it comes to combat deployments of their troops? If the USA says 'jump' they ask 'how high' then deny jumping to the German people. The rules of a democracy are only followed when convenient. That's what 'rules-based order' means.

>>55870 > The rules of a democracy are only followed when convenient. Of course. But they still pretend. So if it was done illegally and the average person gets told "whoops, our men died in a fight we broke the rules to secretly send them to in the first place", there might be pushback. Depending on the laws and the country. And aside from any controversy, once people start to think that they might be the ones dying for Ukraine instead of just helping Ukrainians do it, the fatigue is going to start setting in a whole lot faster. Paying for it with a failing economy is unappetizing for some but paying for it in blood would be unappetizing for quite a lot more.

>>55864 I was convinced this has been happening since Ukraine's counter offensive last summer. I also doubt that training foreign troops to operate the Poseidons or whatever system was used to sink the Moskva happened as well. Don't forget the rumors of the "former" Army Ranger involved with the Georgian mercenaries that shot up the Maidan protest. See the image posted by >>55830 for my sources.

>>55869 >Did they get any PoWs or did the whole crew die? Well they shouted "don't shoot" in German according to the account, suggesting that someone surrendered. According to the video only the driver died and maybe the mechanic (unclear).

>>55873 Sounds like thr Mariupol shitshow where the French Foreigns 1eme's XO was suposedly catured and his staff shot down in a helo that was swept under the rug by both Russia and Gayto.

Is it too late at this point for Natto to simply fuck it and go full Korea with a UN intervention? Back then it seemed to work well enough to avoid nukings MacArthur did nothing wrong even though everyone knew that Korean troops on both sides weren't exactly Korean. >>55874 Eh? I thought the Heli carried Canadian staff officers strategic humanitarian advisors, though perhaps that was a different one.

>>55866 >"There are no German tank crews in Ukraine" Don't know if the whole german crew is true, since it would be retarded, but it is CY+8, it would be funny if the orks would make a video identifying the crew and asking the germ's goverment if they are missing personel or something.

>>55866 >"There are no German tank crews in Ukraine" >>55870 >Only the corpses of a German tank crew. Or maybe they meant the crews were in temporarily occupied territories of Donestk and Luhansk? >>55868 >Didn't anyone ever teach these slavs not to look a gift horse in the mouth? These are hohols, strelok. As they saying goes - only the grave will straighten out a hunchback.

>>55877 >Is it too late at this point for Natto to simply fuck it and go full Korea with a UN intervention? Back then it seemed to work well enough to avoid nukings MacArthur did nothing wrong even though everyone knew that Korean troops on both sides weren't exactly Korean. Well that depends entirely on the willingness of both sides of the conflict to maintain the charade. It could work but if things have devolved to the point where Russia will immediately publicly go "Hey! That's NATO attacking our forces!" or US going "Hey! That's Russia attacking our forces, time for Article 5!" then it's a no-go from the outset. Even if it avoids nuclear war it's still not a win situation for Ukraine though since at best it can only end with them losing more land than what they already have. Not only would the land that Russia's captured stay in Russian hands but they would also end up losing a neutral zone buffer as well. Or instead of going like Korea it goes like Vietnam and Russia takes almost everything with Polan and Romania picking up some western scraps. Possibly in that situation Ukraine could still survive as an enclaved rump state around K(i/y)ve. Really there's no situation at this point where Ukrainians aren't just completely fucked.

>>55880 >Hey! That's Russia attacking our forces, time for Article 5! Article 5 doesn't apply if the forces are not on NATO territory, clown world or not, I don't see Ukraine getting fast tracked in. **remember zelensky posting a video signing the nato application last year or so? yeah, neither does nato*

>>55864 >Both turret hatches open >Stationary in the middle of a field >so yeah we destroyed it and found Germans in it Hello, where is the proofs?

>>55864 >Tank is standing still >Open hatches >No Smoke, no black marks, no hits (atleast before it got hit again) >No debris near the tank >Russian recon sent human scouts instead of a Drone because????? >Found a single living german dude with the rest being dead inside the tank >The driver-mechanic somehow survive and is able to talk despite the tank having been Kornet'd and Drone'd to oblivion >Says he's from Bundeswehr, gave out the name of the unit he was in and his specific location he started off from for some reason. (Yet the info got omitted in this video anyway just because???) >Dies without elaborating further. >Russian scout doesn't take pictures or videos of the dead tank crew despite them being from fucking NATO for identification. Look, i know that there are weird shit happening on the front but this is just pure hearsay and rumor. Anyone who believes this BS is just dumb and let's not forget. >Hindustan times >>55847 >I think Weeb is the best in the terms of actually using verified data. HisLeg is good for operational level stuff. Nahh, i prefer HisLeg for going straight the point as well as having a better voice. >I also watch some ukrainian sources but they are outright propaganda. Way too many to count. This war is a huge gravy train for Ukrainian youtubers simply re-posting info from telegram and editing it in the video. They upload daily and gets a nice consistent hundreds of thousands of views, as well as sponsorships, all the while being away from the frontlines.

>>55884 >>Tank is standing still >Open hatches >>55882 >Both turret hatches open >Stationary in the middle of a field Maybe they're too used to fighting third worlders. I've seen alot of footage from Iraq/afganistan/syria and it seems to be something american (and allied) troops like to do. They sit there waiting for orders/action.

>>55861 Put yourself in their shoes, the literal Nazis started a war against them that killed about 20 millions of them, even if almost a century ago it's not something easy to forgive and forget. So it's good for propaganda and Ukraine has always had many neo-nazis. >>55862 >Not a bad reflection of this entire conflict, if you ask me. Sure, but i can go without watching it, i think it's worth following his Telegram to have a repository of SuriyakMaps for map changes, Remy for "insider" info on Russian army and some other stuff >>55868 >Beggars can't be choosers. Ukrainians are the most pretentious beggars I've ever seen >>55878 >CY+8 Why does time pass like so? fuck me

>>55888 The reason is simple: air & light. I predict this will be more strongly regulated now by division commanders, with the rise of drones.

>>55889 >even if almost a century ago it's not something easy to forgive and forget. So this is why the usurping govt literally installed a metric shitton of neoNazis on their own lands to harass & murder the indiginous Russian peoples there? Seems legit.

>>55888 Look Mr. Trips, the tank is obviously abandoned. There are no Krauts or Hohols inside it. If there were, there should be surviving crew members trying to get out of the burning tank, but there is none. I want this to see this happen since if it was true, it will confirm that there has been covert NATO boots on the ground. But no, this is obviously a stupid 2014-tier rumor. Even the sources are listed as an 'Unnamed Russian Recon Force in Zaporizhzhia'. Which is obviously impossible since any Reconnaissance Group worth their salt today in the RuAF will use Drones instead of sending a group of men to check a damaged tank in the middle of a contested warzone. What's more, if the squad did managed to reach the tank and then talk to the somehow alive crew member, why did he not take any pictures of this bombshell of a revelation? You'd think anyone in the RuAF would want an irrefutable proof of NATO being covertly deployed in Ukraine. But no, there are no photos of the dead German Crew members, zero, nada, zilch. Despite having a group of soldiers already on the scene which must have some sort of recording equipment on hand since they're goddamn recon squads.

>>55894 NO U >"In other news, turns out dead Germans were discovered inside their destroyed tanks, by vatniks on their lands today. Now back to you Elise."

>Dead tank crew >Nobody survived Did I misread the video? I was under the impression 4/5 tank crew members survived. Hence "we'll see if PoW interviews happen."

>>55896 >4/5 tank crew members survived. Actually, the implication was just the opposite: 4 of 5 were dead already, and the last one died after capture.

>>55896 >Did I misread the video? I was under the impression 4/5 tank crew members survived. Hence "we'll see if PoW interviews happen." I blame these pajeet clickbait peddlers for confusing you but then again you should see through this >"Leopard Tank's Driver Succumbed to Injuries Despite Efforts to save his life They really switched up the chronology of the supposed event to make it seem like he survived >"...Then we saw that the crew's driver-mechanic was severely injured and the others were dead." >"While receiving medical aid, the German soldier named his brigade (conveniently not shown) and its dislocation sit.e (also not shown)" So there you go, he's (supposedly and conveniently) dead. No proofs as well. I hope i'm not being baited here, but c'mon.

combat kayak is being tested in western Ukraine.

Drone netting Bakhmut direction. warning music on the first one.

>>55900 >Ukraine has to turn into Israel My mind is like a movie projector that run out of film but still keeps rolling. >>55903 To be fair, paddling is the best way of sneaking around with a boat.

>>55894 Alot of plotholes in that argument, m8. I think its much more likely that they were waiting and got hit. It's not even like they were stopped for very long given the length of the original video. The fact that people got to the tank and inspected it doesn't imply they were sent there to do so. russian satcom having close contact with boots on the ground is their strongest aspect.

https://archive.ph/Y197P https://archive.ph/2Bs20 https://archive.ph/8wBjZ https://archive.ph/jjn1B They are going to draft as many white men as possible to die in a war with China. They are very serious about a war with China now that the war in Ukraine is utterly lost. They are going to force you to die for a transsexual, pussy sniffing, nigger loving empire. I'm going to prison first. If I get drafted I am simply not going to show up and I'll go to prison.

>>55918 If they try to draft me the courthouse judges and officers will hang from lamp posts at my draft-dodging hearing or I will eat lead trying. Conscription is for when Congress declares war, not to fill in the ranks for a corrupt institution that inflicted this damage on itself with trannies and jab mandates. There's basically no difference between ten years and life if my life is ruined either way and a civil war is just as likely to kick off in that time period getting me out of prison for free when rebel forces kick in the prison doors and hang the judge for me.

>>55918 Can't fucking wait for them to try that.

>>55918 I think /k/ has talked about this in previous thread regarding getting drafted but I wouldn't resist the draft. My reasoning for this is because when I get killed my parents will receive the insurance check. I believe getting killed in combat gets you 100,000$ last time I checked. I don't blame anyone for resisting the draft. I just want my parents to live comfortably after I'm gone. I've spoken to my old man about this and he said he wouldn't want me to die in war. However, I don't know if they'll draft fat asses. >I'm going to prison first. If I get drafted I am simply not going to show up and I'll go to prison. What if they make penal units? Considering that the next conventional war will be involving China or maybe Russia, It's likely they'll need fodder. The prisons are overflowing so It wouldn't surprise me if they sent those prisoners to go die in a fight against china. >>55926 I think draft riots are very likely. They've happened even when society was more cohesive like in the civil war. >>55927 I can't see it going well, much like >>55926 said. Slightly off topic to the main thread here, but how many people do you think will die in a war with china? 100,000,000 people? 10,000,000? Will nuclear or biological weapons be deployed?

>>55928 >100k Won't be worth much with inflation. I'd suggest going the route that the gulag archipelago author suggested despite >>55926 sounding like a fed op. Live free or die. >>55918 >war with China Is it just me, or does the US population feel war weary despite the only recent conflicts being "low intensity" ones versus goatfuckers?

>>55929 the US population is weary of everything thanks to so many gayops being run by so many different actors since at least Obama's first term, and certainly since Trump descended the Golden Escalator in 2015.

>>55930 >thanks to so many gayops being run by so many different actors since at least Obama's first term It all comes back to 9/11, really. The combination of patriotic fervour in the immediate aftermath, combined with the questions and doubts that arose regarding its circumstances (as well as related issues like the whole Iraq-WMD thing), and policy changes like the surveillance, really primed Americans for disillusionment. That's a large part of why the later gayops were able to wear people down the way the did.

What are the chances that Americans start a civil war over a draft? Personally I doubt you guys will do anything. In fact I'm pretty sure most Americans will go "YEAH LET'S SHOW THOSE CHINKS WHO'S BOSS!!!" or something along those lines.

>>55932 Civil war? Unlikely. Police and military recruiters' families being found disemboweled in their own homes and less-than-peaceful riots breaking out across the country? It's pretty much guaranteed. A draft was heavily resisted the last time America did it and that was when patriotic fervor was actually high. This time the draft will be targeted towards political enemies and everyone knows it. There is no confidence left in the system and we're coming up on the second generation of adults who don't believe the system is legitimate.

>>55933 Whichever county the US was going to war with would be stupid not to give weapons to the draft resisters. That is the only case one could make for civil war - the resisters organize and become a militia. This shithole country would burn so badly in the case of a draft, holy shit. Riots would escalate into full blown insurrections (real ones not the shit the histrionic kikes were kvetching about) and what could ZOG do then? Send in the NG? Active duty? With what men?

>>55861 Wouldn't go that far but it feels like i am being gaslit when the ruskies keep calling the jewkranian elite "nazis" and the west keeps saying ruskies are being "fascist" Words are meaningless or redefined. >>55935 >would be stupid not to give weapons to the draft resisters China already has a defacto corridor to the US via fentanyl highway from cartel smugglers and many mention chinamen selling chinkshit to low level cartel grunts for cheap like Norincos and counterfeit Berettas.

>>55933 >In the United States, 71 percent of young people between the ages of 17 and 24 do not qualify for military service, and obesity disqualifies 31 percent of youth from serving if they so choose. This is back from the better 'ole days before the coof shit show. If my math is right there's about 9 million "young people" in 'murica eligible for service, what portion of that would be needed for a war with China? Realistically I think congress would approve fat sign-up bonuses to get the rookie numbers up printer go burr so maybe the inflation and shit economy are all part of the prep for that?

>>55935 I imagine they would crack down hard on the first few to try and set an example. Whether that works or not is another story. >>55936 China is not going to give weapons to militias. Socialist gun clubs and illegals sure, but destabilizing conservative values is part of their agenda in America. >>55937 Much like how there is "dead" (flatline) and dead (brain stopped), there is "ineligible" (second choice/additional training) and ineligible (actual medical disability). If it comes to cooks, truck drivers, infantry, etc.- positions that are necessary but never see combat or never have to be promoted above E3 because they'll die before that, the military will more than willingly waive requirements of weight/age/height/education/etc. to fill the gaps. As a boomer described it to me, he was 30lbs overweight when he was drafted and the army's response was to starve him in boot camp until he was 20lbs underweight. >Fat sign-on bonuses They already do and it's not working. The people who received those made it clear to their kids that it's a crock of shit because of "stop loss prevention" clauses in military contracts that increasingly get acted on. Right now the best solution the military has proposed is raising the enlistment age to 45 for non-combat positions.

>>55935 >Whichever county the US was going to war with would be stupid not to give weapons to the draft resisters. USA does not need any weapon shipments what civilians already have is more than enough.

>>55942 Have there been any firefights where the overheating of Armalite pattern rifles has been an issue or is that his conjecture?

>>55943 >zerohedge this board has degenerated into a doomer circlejerk, hasn't it?

I was forced to watch some Military Summary on plain youtube due to circumstances, and discovered that the channel has a shop. https://my-store-e8a369.creator-spring.com/ https://archive.ph/6dXoq

>>55943 Wait, didn't Usurper-in-Chief proclaim that Abrams deployments was a no-go "because that'd be WWIII"? So is this WWIII now, or was that just another degenerate moment? >>55945 Better suggestions, friend? >>55946 >2nd pic Is that about the Jewish leadership of Ukraine banning the state orchestra b/c they dare to have Russian composers in their repertoire?

>>55947 Violence and Violins

>>55948 >Violence and Violins Lolwut? Those aren't violins. Are you thinking of a book?

>>55918 >not responding to the draft it's almost as if you WANT the american empire to crumble. What kind of american would want such a thing?

Both sides have been making sporadic reports of Wagner returning to Ukrainan battlefield piecemeal, at first it was only few reports, now there have been increase in such claims. No official statement has been yet made by either Wagner leadership or Russian MoD.

>>55953 Part of Wagner signed to the MoD so it's entirely possible those are said members. Effectively former wagner but employed within the military structure eliminating most of their effectiveness outside of being veterans.

Comprehensive timeline of Biden's influence in Ukraine straight from the house oversight committee for those who don't get it and/or have family members who only trust government sources; https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

>>55906 >Alot of plotholes in that argument, m8. Poke it all you want but my argument is way more believable than that clickbait shit the pajeet news channel peddled. Even now there's no follow up to that supposed 'news' of german personnel found dead inside a Leopard 2 tank in the Zaporizhzhia region. >I think its much more likely that they were waiting and got hit. It's not even like they were stopped for very long given the length of the original video. You're right, what is even the context here? Can you really trust an edited video of a tank that's standing out in the open, seemingly abandoned for an unspecified amount of time? >The fact that people got to the tank and inspected it doesn't imply they were sent there to do so. russian satcom having close contact with boots on the ground is their strongest aspect. Alright, then where's the footage of the destroyed tank? >>55918 Lmao, the pessimist in me said that it'll never happen. But then this whole war should have never happened in the first place anyway. So all bets are off for this one. >>55953 >>55955 Wagner today is pretty much just a mere puppet of the MoD ever since that fucking plane crash. If Bakhmut falls (or not) Prigozhin and Utkin will be rolling in their grave alright.

Yuan now makes up 75% of all Russian export trade. Also Russia bought 150,000 new rail containers from china. the backorder is so big that piles of rail containers are waiting at the Chinese and Mongolian border

>>55958 >Russia bought 150,000 new rail containers Is it due to the war effort, or they just suddenly started to trade so much that they need these containers? Of course, there is bound to be a relation between these options, but I wonder if they need them to haul stuff to the front directly, or just to trade things with new partners such as Iran and maybe North Korea.

>>55955 >>55957 Former Wagner members might be crack veterans but one of the factors that made them so effective in the first place is that they were not subordinate to the very rigid structure of regular Russian Army. Losing such freedom basically makes them an analog to VDV.

>>55959 Russia has had very healthy economic growth over the past year, primarily due to economic (read: BRICS) realignments after the US footgun event with their petulant sanctions. Now that 20+ new nations are clamoring for a seat at the BRICS feast during this same year, I expect China will be doling out lots and lots of Russian resources to the rest of the family on their behalf.

>>55961 And with sales down, China is looking to expand out into more third world economies because business with Hajeebs and tribals is better than no business at all.

>>55962 Yeah seems sensible strelok.

Apparently Russia is building a new 250km railway from Mariupol to Melitopol along with a few other minor connections. This will connect all of inner Russia to Crimea via rail and allow more easy supply of the entire front line. Not sure what the ETA of that is.

>>55932 >What are the chances that Americans start a civil war over a draft? If anything it's the other way around medbro, a draft and a war with China would unite the country. The USA will die from internal strife, only after they're well divided will an external enemy conquer them. Amerimutts always unite and put off their differences when an external enemy attacks.

>>55929 >Is it just me, or does the US population feel war weary despite the only recent conflicts being "low intensity" ones versus goatfuckers? I think a big issue is that for many people, joining the military was done because past or current family did. IIRC something like 70% of marines are allegedly from a set of ~30 extended families. However, I think many GWOT era veterans broke that generational cycle by telling others not to join and how they got fucked up and then fucked over. Now that the generational/familial pressure is gone, there is no reason left to fight for a gov't that actively hates you.

>>55966 Yeah, murica needs a second 9/11.

>>55918 >They are going to draft as many white men as possible to die in a war with China You can be sure of that. There will be a special exemption for 'people of color' and of course for jews. They won't even need to hide it and liberal white women will cheer the exemptions. There will be some diversity units but these will only exist to be photographed and credited with any military successes (tactical or strategic, real or imaginary) which may occur. The ideal ZOG army is white, conservative, Christian men being sent into slaughter by incompetent brown women and looneytroons. US forces are already establishing the latter. While the men are away the vibrant diversity will be free to rape their women. >>55941 >I imagine they would crack down hard on the first few to try and set an example You can be sure of that. They'll also run propaganda claiming every white, conservative, Christian male is joining up and condemning draft dodgers. >Whether that works or not is another story. They would have to either disarm the people before the draft or provoke a violent response and use that as justification for disarming all white citizens. The risk of military mutiny would still be high so overall it's a lot more convenient to use the usual combo of fear and gayops to make the right people (pun intended) sign up. Right now I think this >>55966 is the most likely outcome. The minority of dissenters will be painted as foreign spies and insurrectionists by a huge campaign of social media shilling. Expect white liberal women to suddenly become "patriots" and go round distributing white feathers. Trying to fight an expeditionary war against China is obviously insane as it would be unwinnable, same as trying to fight Russia, but winning the war doesn't matter because the real war is USA internal demographics.

>>55946 I looked at the images before the text and thought that must be a joke.

>>55971 America needs a second Chicxulub.

>>55972 You seem to think it will all work out well for the filthy kikes, but I sincerely don't believe it will work. Those same White men they would love to send to war hate their government and don't listen to the media shills. All the good will and patriotism has been drained from young White men since Trump's fall, though you seem not to recognize that.

>>55946 >Hello my wendigo friends?

>>55972 >Expect white liberal women to suddenly become "patriots" and go round distributing white feathers. What's the meaning of this act, symbolically, Strelok. Given the contexts of your post, my guess would be 'they are trying to shame men around them as cowards' -- or is it something else entirely?

>>55979 Take a history lesson sometime.

>>55979 Do you want the full version or the shorthand? The shorthand is it's a reference to cockfighting where white-feathered cocks were considered too good-natured so they wouldn't fight. Basically calling someone a chicken. The full version is that historically you'd give European men who refused to go out to war wool as in "if you won't fight than do a woman's duties." Wool was a bit too pricey to be handed out so some Brits got together and figured white feathers would be just as good (both because of cockfighting and because it was still symbolic like wool). Young girls would go around giving any man out-of-uniform white feathers which the men were obliged to take because of the time period's chivalric codes of conduct so it was terribly embarassing. In practice it was used by sluts to get rid of their boyfriends and the white feather movement pretty consistently targeted married men staying home to raise children (causing them to get killed in war out of shame) and harassed veterans who were either medically discharged or on leave. It was the historical equivalent of calling a guy an incel virgin because he's conservative or has morals.

>>55981 >Take a history lesson sometime. Did try looking it up, but all I found were references to spiritual purity, and that clearly didn't make sense in this context. >>55982 OK, about what I expected then Strelok. Appreciated. >incels The humorous part of this attempt by libshits/feminists is that today not being associated with a young woman and their nearly-universal-100%-sluttery in the West is a badge of honor, and a sign of wisdom. Jokes on them. Whole other can of worms I'll leave sealed ATM. :^) >the white feather movement Ahh that worked for Brave search, thanks.

>>55982 >and harassed veterans who were either medically discharged or on leave I like the stories about the guys who got so fed up with it that it overruled the time's morals about hitting women, and they just socked the bitches. >One example was Private Ernest Atkins, who was on leave from the Western Front. He was riding a tram when he was presented with a white feather by a girl sitting behind him. He smacked her across the face with his pay book and said, "Certainly I'll take your feather back to the boys at Passchendaele. I'm in civvies because people think my uniform might be lousy, but if I had it on I wouldn't be half as lousy as you".

>>55982 Being a men sucks in every fuckin era, eh?

>>55985 There hasn't been a time in human history where being a man wasn't hard. Men are expected to fight and die for their communities. This has been the same since the dawn of man. I don't think it's worth complaining about however it's pathetic to say that gender roles have no place in our society, especially in times like these. I wonder what cognitive dissonance feminist cunts will come up when they advocate for the young men to go die in a war half way around the world. The same young men they've spent the past 50 years falsely locking up in prison, degrading through their propaganda, and suiciding through divorce rape,

>>55985 >>55986 The main difference is that in the past society recognized that it was hard being a man so society granted men privilege on that account. "Privilege" in the sense of fringe benefits, both officially sanctioned ones and in less official ways as well. But now days the old accords are all broken and a man is expected to be a donkey and when not that, a scapegoat. In return more and more men are just saying "fuck it" and going on strike.

>>55985 Yeah, ironically enough if you're kinda chad this is the best of times, there are plenty of whores out there willing to get fucked without any responsibility on the man's part, which while not leading to long term happiness it's not that bad a deal. There's the theory that puritanism is a female reproductive strategy to keep the value of sex really high so they could use it to "manipulate" men, so the sexual revolution in which women were "empowered and liberated" really ends up doing a favor to men... in any case I'll take feminists over dying in a filthy humid trench to be honest. I don't like the modern progressive world, don't get me wrong, but often the solutions people give to it are simple to go back to worse times in almost every way and what's the point then? For instance the fact that during the world wars the rates of depression and other psychological issues went down in the countries at war, which while true I'll take some depression over being bombed. Though there's something to be willing to die for king, country and in defense of your women and children, I'm not sure how to feel.

Guess who is back, after just a month of repairs?

In other news there's no news, nationally it seems our media agencies stopped reporting about the war since mid-summer, perhaps some really big newspapers put some pieces about it but i've noticed the international news part are totally absent of any war. I know for a fact our degen leftist gov controls the media and ad flow, like promoting sex meds and vibrators on noon time slots despite being the peak hours for underages seeing TV, so i suppose these lack of news means something but i can't decipher well aside from hiding other countries bashing the shit out of each other to avoid our locals having any funny ideas... then again major cartel news are going as usual. >>55959 I thought China (or it seems India) > Iran > Russia had a major deal recently to make a chunky straight railway going in that country order, one would suppose the containers are for that project. I am now also realizing Russia's precarious position towards Azerbaturks despite being buddies with Armenia, the ceasefire is resulting in strictly United Nations-defined genocide as per forced relocation of population based on ethnic profile but because they are ancient caucasians it might not count >>55976 >All the good will and patriotism has been drained from young White men since Trump's fall I dare to say since Obongo's second term, first term was a shitshow of diversity peddling with very unjust measures like openly giving major status to niggers and illegals in scholarships (along with a ton else) and obvious media exposure i don't need to explain, that wore down the spirits of even the most hardcore Bush Jr-era conservative at least in my experience on Arizona and the interwebz, when the second term was on its early way i believe i stopped seeing post-9/11 ameriloonies because they just gave up or went into pacifist mode of not caring anymore. Y2K-era people i stopped seeing around the first Obummer term, that era started early in Europe and US but stopped with 9/11 - Irak BUT they could still be seen although they were very scarce, while IRL latin american and digital eastern european spaces it persisted in moderate quantities, we got more years of that optimism until The 2007/08 Crash Of Everything. >hate their government and don't listen to the media shills Going back to your point i think right now most disillusioned masses simply stopped caring, "it is what it is" nigger cattle phrase as an example of such sentiment. I think they would refuse such gov measures but i don't know how much will they resist said measures, highly doubt most people are thinking such scenarios, they probably are looking for any kind of escapism they haven't tried and when presented with such situations they consider a shallow moral/ideological base case by case or an overly pragmatic city slicking decision like "better bolt the door's lock twice" when drug-fiends invaded apartments in Seattle/Portland or "close the curtains tight" when BLM started burning neighborhood parks.

Andrei Troshev has been appointed as chief of Wagner and has been officially part of the Russian military. Wagner will soon accept more recruitment if the Kremlin allows in the future. Wagner will return to Ukraine but first it has to finish operations in Belarus.

>>55990 >the solutions people give to it are simple Simple, anon, so simple.

https://archive.ph/ZXNxm https://archive.ph/XIeff https://archive.ph/2VxiI It's Happening.

>>56004 Imagine being a soldier who is finally away from the meatgrinder and just wants to play some AAA garbage to relax, only to find lots of out-of-place references in the vidya placed there by people who were making the translation instead of doing their part in the army.

>>56007 Let me just get things straightened out in my head. >NATO intervened militarily in Serbia to ensure the independence of Serbia's demographic-minority region of Kosovo, because a state does not have the right to deny its sub-territory autonomy and self-determination. >Since 2014, NATO has vociferously condemned Donbas separatists' attempt to assert independence from Ukraine, because a state does have the right to deny its sub-territory autonomy and self-determination. >Meanwhile, tensions have been steadily rising on the opposite side of the world, where Taiwan (which is de jure but not de facto part of the PRC) is facing the threat of the PRC militarily asserting control, while NATO strongly opposes this because a state does not have the right to deny its sub-territory autonomy and self-determination. >In the recent conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, NATO decided the proper course of action was to let Azerbaijan ethnically cleanse the demographic-minority region of Nagorno-Karabakh (which was de jure but not de facto part of Azerbaijan), because a state does have the right to deny its sub-territory autonomy and self-determination (by any means, up to and including genocide). >For over two and a half years, NATO has been strongly supporting Ukraine against the Russian invasion, arguing that it is necessary to defend Ukraine's right to autonomy and self-determination against Russia. >And now, with Serbian demographic-minority regions of Kosovo being suppressed, and Serbia preparing to intervene on their behalf, NATO is strongly opposed to such intervention, because Kosovo has the right to deny its sub-territory autonomy and self-determination. About right?

>>56009 You should add in that Taiwan is supposed to be the Republic of China, until the burgers had a change of heart in the 70s and started supporting the People's Republic of China, while keeping the Republic of China in a sort of a limbo. There is also South Sudan, where a country was split in two after a vote. And this whole thing is nothing new, just dig into the history of Eastern Europe and the various treaties that ended ww1.

>>56009 Oh yeah, and I guess I can't omit the facts that the nation that leads NATO is immensely proud of having won its revolutionary war to assert its unilateral declaration of independence, after which it fought a massive civil war which led to the conclusion that its constituent states cannot unilaterally declare independence.

>>56009 Yeah geopolitics are pure hypocrisy

>>56009 Yeah, Putin has been talking about this for his entire career. It's why he called Yugoslavia "pandora's box".

>>55992 >noon time slots despite being the peak hours for underages Nah, only boomers watch regular TV anymore, current crop of underages don't have the attention span for that. >>56012 Makes sense - nation states with democratic two-party systems are akin to schizophrenic/bipolar persons.

Western-made armor isn't working in Ukraine because it wasn't designed for a conflict of this intensity, Ukrainian analyst says https://www.businessinsider.com/western-armor-not-designed-for-intense-conflict-like-ukraine-analyst-2023-9 >Western armor isn't cutting it in Ukraine, a military analyst told The Wall Street Journal. >Taras Chmut said Western-made tanks weren't designed for an "all-out" war of this intensity. >Western allies should instead ramp up deliveries of simpler and cheaper systems, he said.

>>56015 Weren't bradleys specifically designed for ww3?

>>56016 This is WW2.5 and bradleys not backwards compatible.

>>56017 Naruhodo. Doesn't actually naruhodo at all

>>55955 >>55960 In the end Wagners super secret killer technique was facechecking for traps and calling arty. I really dont see how they are supposed to be some sort of pinnacle of competence. They just have better PR and can release movie clips without ministries permission. >>56015 It kind of makes sense, how many damaged western vehicles require returning to factory for any fixes? How many require extensive maintenance every 8 hours or so? >>56016 WW3 design means >cheap >can resist radiation >we will lose 90% of them in the first week either way See BMP? That is too peak WW3 design >big gun to do some damage >armor from moistened cardbordium since it dies to nukes either way >fuel tanks on the doors to offer additional protection from radiation

>>56015 So what, were they only designed for wargames with paintball bullets and random commanders telling the tank crew they're dead? About damn time all of these weapon systems are being demystified. They were all effectively touted as superweapons even if it went against common sense that a hunk of metal, no matter how advanced, is still prone to be destroyed by conventional weapons.

>>56020 >So what, were they only designed for wargames with paintball bullets and random commanders telling the tank crew they're dead? No, it means they were designed in mind with next factory capable of extensive repairs being 20 minute ride on autobahn away. Or at least a FOB capable of refurbishment protected by constant umbrella of air support.

>>56014 >Nah, only boomers watch regular TV anymore I meant our locals aka mootxicans watching TV which they do, not many but kids usually have an afterschool ritual of eating either with the cellphone on their face or, the poorer ones which are many, check TV to watch Dragon Ball Z, Fairly Oddparents, Spengbab or the news with their parents. Pick a show and usually you will have viagra/sex enhancer, condoms or some thinly veiled dildo masquerading as back/feet massager, in the case of the news it's a 100% guarantee one of those will happen. This shit didn't happen in the previous administration and no laws regarding those things changed, it was a decision made in unison by many stations. >>56007 If the contemporary second part (or third?) really happens then we might as well be in a world war: A chunk of Europe in open conflict, small parts of Asia with skirmishes and a chunk of Africa couping and plotting with many open conflicts. We only need a couple of major players somewhere and we are cooking again.

>>56019 I heard that Wagner was very bottom up and flexible >>56022 You should come to Europe, in Barcelona I've seen gay saunas openly advertise on the street, escort services too, big billboards and more, besides tv ads.

>>56024 >You should come to Europe, in Barcelona Well, that should fit right in with the general GH plans ie, destroy all of Yurope/Burgerland for Brother Wars III then, Strelok! >

>>56019 >I really dont see how they are supposed to be some sort of pinnacle of competence. Neither does the Russian MoD but they're about to find out. In general veterans survive better even if it's artillery duels because they know what to look out for and how to react. That aside, it was the autonomy part that saw Wagner's success. Even the prized special unit vatniks couldn't get artillery strikes on-demand or extra rations to celebrate because of the chain of command, but Wagner could because they controlled their own supply lines for the most part. Their success was direct communication between recon, defense, commanders, and artillery that the Russian MoD can't replicate.

>>56020 A lot of this tech was superweapons... When it came out in the 60s/70s. The issue is that burgerland has not maintained their hypothetical 1200 horsepower engine so now it's more like an 800 horsepower engine while everyone else now has 400-700 horsepower engines which are good enough to compete even if they aren't quite there. >About damn time all of these weapon systems are being demystified. Otherwise agreed.

>>56016 The Bradley was designed to take on BMP-1s and that's literally it.

>>56019 Like the other anons pointed out, the real strength of Wagner is unit synergy, speed and effectiveness of decision making , something Russian regulars are not capable of reproducing on a sufficient level, especially the higher command staff. One can't only look at something like Bakhmut , but also Popasnaya, Palmyra and Dier el Zor.

>>56025 What a cope about Gen Z. He's not wrong about that the military goals have always been for "progress" but that was something they knew needed to be kept from soldiers and even generals. If the soldiers had known then what their true objectives were they never would have fought or demonized others for dodging the draft.

Could it be the Britbongs will once again be responsible for another world war? https://www.rt.com/news/583840-uk-troops-uk-training/

>>56045 >New defense minister conveniently forgets Russia said they will treat any foreign military in Ukraine as the Ukrainian military Well this will be a fun shitshow. >“Britain is a naval nation so we can help and we can advise, particularly since the water is international water,” he said, without elaborating what kind of help he offered Zelensky. Inb4 UK conveniently forgets that Turkey blocked the strait for a reason when they inevitably get caught smuggling in specialists on cargo boats bound for Georgia. I get a kick out of Britain calling itself a "naval nation" still when they can't even project enough naval force to keep French fishermen out of their domestic waters.

>>56032 Isn't a tow system a bit overkill for just engaging bmp-1'S?

>>56048 >Pentagon wars.webm

>>56045 Question is if Brits are counting on the guys they send getting killed as some kind of political maneuver. If Rus intel can locate the advisors in the rear they'll definitely strike at them.

>>56045 >>56050 Doesn't work like that. If you start shit you don't get to call for Article 5. >>56046 >New defense minister conveniently forgets Russia said they will treat any foreign military in Ukraine as the Ukrainian military Well yeah Russia has them over a barrel on that point. They're either there surreptitiously, which means they can't complain or they'll have to declare it's an official NATO operation. Meaning that NATO is intentionally part of a war effort that's striking sovereign Russian territory. Which is something that other parts of NATO may have not really signed on for.

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>>56054 There was CP on the catalog most of the day yesterday. It'll get cleaned, just file a global report.

>>56054 What do you think making a fuss in a different thread is going to do? If the moderation paid the board enough attention to see your post, then it'd see the thread too. CP spam is a daily occurrence on the webring; there's no point getting agitated.

>>56054 Thanks for pointing it out strelok. Just report it globally whenever you see it. I certainly rm+perma anytime I'm on to catch it. BTW, this isn't the proper thread for this. Try >>40754 meta thread instead thanks.

>>56012 You'll notice that the only consistent principle is whatever serves the power of GAE. >>56021 To steelman this mess, NATO equipment is designed for counter-insurgency ops by professionals, with massive support as you said. NATO stuff is in fact very good in that particular niche, but it's massively overrated outside its ideal window, and can't withstand the furnace of warfare (as we're finding out). >>55928 I'm an ancient sage in my 30s, so I wouldn't be in the early rounds (although conscription may be raised to 45 or higher). Besides, I now have to take a cocktail of meds for a rare condition I have, so that should be a solid medical deferment. There's no way I would fight for ZOG, even if I were press-ganged over there; I would find alternatives, as some red-pilled Ukrainians have done, but my seeming curse may turn out to be a blessing in this case. I fully expect a Pacific War with China to be a death-trap for the pawns & fools they send over there, analogous to Ukraine. Given US air & naval power, it may drag out for some time, but China will win decisively. And since navy & air force are the twin cores of American force projection (embodied in the aircraft carrier), being defeated & BTFO in such a conflict will signal the end of US military dominance. That should be the turning point, the Suez moment when the world realizes that the Empire's power is broken, hopefully with cascading effects (being a weeb, I'd like to see Japan rebel against their masters and join BRICS, but we'll see).

Bye, anon. See you in the future since tranny janny needs to learn to behave himself with even more dead threads for a while.

>>56060 >>56057 >>56055 Sorry my bad, this is the first time seeing cheese pizza on the catalog. Shit spooked me real heard so i just jumped into the thread where people most likely to post at. Won't happen again Strelok. >>56067 >To steelman this mess, NATO equipment is designed for counter-insurgency ops by professionals, with massive support as you said. NATO stuff is in fact very good in that particular niche, but it's massively overrated outside its ideal window, and can't withstand the furnace of warfare (as we're finding out). The soviets were right in thinking that massive losses will be expected in any future warfare, and such stockpiled as many tanks as they could. Even now, the hohol's main armored force consists of Soviet-era reserves with the NATO IFV or tanks being the vanguard. Meanwhile Russia is churning out replacements at a faster rate than they did in 2022. Compare this to the EU who has been actively gutting their own defenses for the past 20 years thanks to their stupid government too busy focusing on making line go up and """"""""""""""""multiculturalism"""""""""""""""""

>>56067 >2nd vid Seems like to me that the UAF re-entering Bakhmut is imminent. You think Ukraine has the drive to re-capture the whole town?

>>56009 You're missing the nuance here. >Kosovo The Western justification for this is its charges of Serbian war crimes and crimes against humanity. To them, a nation committing these must be dismantled. It doesn't matter if a minority of the previous culture exists here since they have the old nation to retreat to, they can integrate, or they were always members of the culture of the new state. See Silesia, East Prussia, and Prussia. Similarly, two nations cannot unify unless the people of one state would gain rights (see North and South Korea) because even the retainment of rights would not be enough. >Donbass The Western justification for this is that Donbass separatism is cause by Russian interference to purposefully destabilize the Ukrainian government and prevent integration of an ethnic minority. They'll point to the Crimean Tartars as an example of a successfully integrated minority and call the vote for secession to Russia an example of Russian interference. >Taiwan The Western justification for this is that the PRC is a reality even if the West would support the ROC's reclamation of the mainland. The ROC is a government-in-exile rather than a breakaway state, and the PRC claims to Taiwan (which should really be Formosa) are only backed up by it and its allies. Point to Hong Kong if you want something closer to hypocrisy in justification. >Armenia-Azerbaijan Again, the Western justification is terrorism and Russian interference. To the West, a state can only be created if it is leaving an imperialistic power, and secession to another state can only happen if the first nation is committing genocide (unjustified removal) of its population as opposed to integration or expulsion (justified removal).

>>56052 >If you start shit you don't get to call for Article 5 When I said political maneuver, I meant for propaganda back home to drum up support for more gibs. Should've been more clear. selfsage for off-topic

>>56067 >I'd like to see Japan rebel against their masters and join BRICS If only, but I think they are the burger's bitch for eternity.

>>56045 Oopsie! >I was only pretending to be retarded! https://www.rt.com/news/583857-sunak-british-troops-ukraine/ Predictive Programming in action, streloks. The next time they claim this is a great idea, it's likely they'll get as much pushback, since they've already brought the idea up in public.

>>56080 >likely they won't get*

>>56074 >Russian interference The only real reason, the (((West))) had done unfathomably more interference and terrorism under the banner of CIA and Mossad. Its a rules for me not thee situation, as it always is for the cult. >PRC claims only backed up The only reason Taiwan isn't recognized is because it would be too much of a headache to their plans to support them, while not denouncing them keeps the economic engine going while giving the illusion of being against China for the lower rungs of the ladder and the global public at large. >Armenia-Azerbaijan LMAO the COPE some people must have in the military to believe this shit probably cult-like at this point, its like listening to military cock-sucking idiots brag on about how grateful we should be for zog-bots killing innocent people dragged and manipulated by the cult all across the world, because they "give their lives to protect us". Fucking disgusting psychos, though its unfair to blame as most are raised up by the cult and boomers who are those truly to blame for the hell we call the modern west. >>56078 >Burgers The cult's bitch forever, just like the whole world is. Its only nowadays that their shields are rusting, the play's backdrop rotting, they are scared and its easy to feel it. >>56067 >But China will win decisively If it was any other nation in any other time with comparable logistical capacity, I would agree. But China is china, with bugmen quality stuff and men you need the few good apples leading to fight at perfect form to win. China was already in the midst of its economic downturn, mixed with a more authoritarian rule to counter domestic issues and the aging population starting to hit. And all that was BEFORE Trump started the economic war, and before Corona started and fucked them up. A nation that cannot feed its people should not be feared and China has had major internal issues for over a year after covid ended, you can only imagine how bad it would be with a war going on overseas, they will likely have to balance splitting their armies to fight both insurrections and the US at shit capacity or conscript like crazy and hope meatbags & jew bucks from the next davos meeting will save them until the US has the same problem. I Don't doubt with a long enough timeline of the (((cult))) destroying the US military in every capacity that eventually even a country like russia could win decisively against us, but that is in an unrealistic best-case scenario, they are running out of time but rushing too fast will make the US uncontrollable from massive unrest (its already happening as is). I can't predict what will happen, but it will be a more interesting outcome than just the play going as plan with China taking over the jewsa golem role flawlessly.

>>56067 >I'd like to see Japan rebel against their masters and join BRICS /thread

>>56067 >I'd like to see Japan rebel against their masters and join BRICS Japan is still exceptionally pissed with Russia over Chishima/the Kurils.

The absolute state of Western warfare today.

>>56088 Surely these expert analysts' conclusions are reliable.

Recent Vatnik special delivery to Hohol emplacement, via airburstmail.

>>56088 >Russia creates the illusion of not losing by not losing Wha