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Russo-Ukrainian War #26: Free Artyemovsk edition Strelok 05/21/2023 (Sun) 09:18:57 No.50882
Wagner has captured fortress Bahmut after 224 days of fighting. Ukrainian spring counteroffensive still failed to materialize. Ukrainians to get f-16. USA apparently misscalculated value of gear they gave to Ukraine, which is about to get additional 3 billion $ in gear to compensate. Welcome to the grind and enjoy the show!
Well, I'd say this is a celebration week of sorts for both sides. Certainly the gang-pressed victims who weren't forced into the meat-grinder by the globohomo and their jew puppet can breath a sigh of relief.
Zaluzhny hasn't been seen in the public in a few weeks, which is unusual from him. There are rumors that he was seriously wounded in missile attack few weeks back. Ukrainan military spokesman said he's OK. There was an alleged picture of him chilling in Cyprus, but that has been proven to be just a look a like iirc.
What happened to the last thread?
>>50888 Knocked off the board by a spammer.
>>50888 Slide-nigger attacked the board yesterday and sent it and several other threads over the cliff into NULL (>>50863)
So just to go back I heard that Ukraine was going to be given F-16s and someone here told me the DoD is trying to restrain the Biden administration from handing them over. Any thoughts on the impact of providing such hardware? I mean it should at the very least make it harder for the RuAF to just dump munitions onto whatever it pleases and I guess putin will have to issue another statement about red lines while shifting his own further back.
Oh and who do you reckon will be the first nation dumb enough to hand over their F-16's? I would have voted for my own country but we don't have any.
>>50896 >>50895 >red lines On the one hand constantly retreating from your own lines in the sand is not a good look and worse it sends dangerous mixed messages when you're like Putin and apparently decide on which of your redlines is for realsies by rolling a d20. On the other hand I can't see him objecting to strenuously to this. After all the opportunity to destroy potentially dozens of NATO aircraft in the hands of a non NATO nation, and thereby avoiding the normal consequences of doing so, is almost too much of a treat to avoid. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if some in the upper Russian echelons were thinking >"Oh Blyat! If we string this war along long enough maybe the Americans will give the hohols an aircraft carrier or two and we can really have some fun then!"
>>50898 >"Oh Blyat! If we string this war along long enough maybe the Americans will give the hohols an aircraft carrier or two and we can really have some fun then!" /thread.
>>50882 >misscalculated value of gear they gave to Ukraine They didn't account for the corruption in Kiev. >3 billion $ in gear to compensate Look out for it on ebay. >>50889 Glowtrannies must be really salty about the fall of Bakhmut. >>50896 >who do you reckon will be the first nation dumb enough to hand over their F-16's? Poland. They'd send nukes if they had any of their own.
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All those posts, lost in time like tears in the rain. Time to die FAGGOT >>50882 Honestly, i'm surprised they actually managed to do it ever since the public fallout of Wagner and the MoD. Ever since that dreaded Prighozin vid, i envisioned a mass Ukraine counter-attack in Bakhmut, making their entire progress moot and adding another black mark to the Kremlin's failure. However, they endured possibly some of the best the Ukies have to offer, and all these with supply issues and politicking behind their backs. Yet they finally managed to capture the city, and made the Ukrainian's pig-headed decision to hold their supposed 'Strategic City' cost them blood and tanks many times over the previous Kherson offensive. Is it any wonder why they're postponing their """"""Spring""""" Offensive again with the horrendous casualties they took trying to hold Bakhmut? While on the flipside, these Wagner boys shouldn't be doing what the RuAF should've done in the first place, yet they managed to do it anyways. That's bloody amazing. Now that Wagner managed to break Bakhmut alongside UA's elite battalions means that the RuAF should be able to pick up the slack from here right? Jesus why are the Russian top brass so fucked in the head? THEY'RE IN A GODDAMN WAR RIGHT NOW >>50922 Pretty much, but the Russians have yet to solidified their hold on Bakhmut yet. But i'm sure the Hohols won't have the morale to even muster an attack after their most famous campaign failed and costed them their most elite battalions. >>50896 Either the Dutch or the Polands
>>50926 Of course the city is still contested, despite being under Russian control. However, even if they maintain their morale, I doubt they'll be able to reverse the momentum. Also, what was all that about shell starvation and the musicians getting shafted? They seem to be doing fine; I wonder if that was all just feigned weakness or a distraction.
>>50901 >Glowtrannies >>50922 >5th generation warfare The board has been unusably flooded with shitposting for years. The fact that one strelok finally lost his shit over it and sperged even harder does not imply some sort of glowop.
>>50888 Unfortunate casualty in my crusade against niggers. And apparently Yanny for deleting legitimate threads.
>>50926 Honestly, the whole Bakhmut debacle feels like a campaign in a video game where on harder difficulties the AI won't get any smarter, instead it just has more units and the player gets a bunch of arbitrary penalties on top of that.
>>50933 >4th vid at 0:13 >hisashiburi da na I see the weebs have joined the conflict.
>>50895 >Any thoughts on the impact of providing such hardware? Virtually nothing, it will pretty much only allow ukrops to fire nato compatible cruising missiles from their own territory, which they already do apparently on soviet machines. Maybe possibly it could increase range of their strikes but they are still well within russian AA range.
>>51032 It's not really about "a decision", the post-Maidan name changes in Ukraine are not legally recognized by the Donbass republics, so since Bakhmut is DPR territory it has always legally been Artyomovsk for them, as this was the name of the city prior to the coup. The situation is different in Zaporozhye and Kherson oblasts since they haven't been independent during the "decommunization" period, hence they had to "manually" rename some street names etc. in Mariupol for example.
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>>51032 >>51033 It's funny because kikepedia still calls it Bakhmut.
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Official Russian numbers are out.
>>50922 >To celebrate, I'll post more footage. Nice stuff, thanks Strelok. This kind of documentation is important to have. Everyone should be archiving this board daily; you certainly won't find this shit in (((corporate-controlled media))).
>>51036 Interesting. I wonder what was the rationale behind switching to $ for armored vehicles?
>>51037 Echoes are redundant there because they are implied in your wording. Quit being a faggot. >>51038 You'd have to list vehicle types individually which would get ugly since there's at least triple digits worth of unique vehicle types that were destroyed. It's easier to list it as a dollar amount in that case to get across the scale/damage better since vehicles are resources, and can ultimately be reduced to their dollar value. Drones should have been listed in dollar value as well, but planes are distinct enough to deserve their own separate category.
>>51039 >Echoes are redundant there because they are implied in your wording. Quit being a faggot. So, are you backing up the board yourself? Stop bitching and moaning about petty stuff, Rabbi. Strelok needs to be thanked for what he brings to the board here. Not seeing a lot of thanks from your ilk tbh.
>>51040 С таким хорошеньким ротиком тебе следовало бы полировать дверные ручки.
>>51042 Heh, pretty sure your mother already took care of them all.
>>50933 >They seem to be doing fine; I wonder if that was all just feigned weakness or a distraction. Certainly things seemed to take an abrubt turn 'overnight'?
>>51036 >Ukrainan losses KIA >39000 >Ukrainian killed >23000 What?
>>51045 Dima clarified afterwards that he meant casualties under KIA (translation error). First number includes wounded, PoWs, etc.
>>51045 If Ukraine suffered 39,000 in KIA losses, but only 23,000 Ukrainians were killed, then clearly the other 16,000 were non-Ukrainians fighting for Ukraine, and it means NATO has secretly deployed significant numbers of troops. Or, it means that 16,000 dead Ukrainians were KIA twice, and the Ukrainian necromancy corps has been hard at work.
Apparently Russia has opted to reward Wagner by providing them with a more extensive motorized unit. Something tells me this "vacation" is just time to finish up training said motorized unit. At the same time Prigozhin is "temporarily" stepping down and giving command over to someone else. Sounds to me like the Russians are officially inducting them into the army proper.
>>51048 >Sounds to me like the Russians are officially inducting them into the army proper. RIP their competence then, I guess.
>>51045 Apparently a Ukrainian doesn't die even if he is killed.
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>>51046 I thought as much but wasn't sure. It was either miss translation or some powerful necromancy at work. Thanks for clarification strelok.
>>51048 It's like when the Waffen SS first didn't even have any tanks, and then after a while they got the newest toys. Now imagine if Wagner got a dozen Armatas.
>>50882 >>50888 >>50890 I archived the last thread before it was murdered: https://archive.is/kX547
>>50896 I think the deal is if they trade in the F-16s they'll get F-35s.
>>51036 Did they publish their own losses? >>51048 >At the same time Prigozhin is "temporarily" stepping down and giving command over to someone else. >"temporarily" MoD is gonna fuck this up isn't it.
>>50926 >Yet they finally managed to capture the city, and made the Ukrainian's pig-headed decision to hold their supposed 'Strategic City' cost them blood and tanks many times over the previous Kherson offensive. I highly doubt that, simply because the Ukraine had less material than the Russians in the beginning and we don't have seen them wasting the new toys they have gotten in Bachmut. From all the fotage I have seen, the defense of Bachmut was relatively cheap for such a type of battle for the Ukraine. It was the Russians that have wasted more material to take the city, which is also natural for a siege. In the end the fight over Bachmut has been a nice distraction for the Ukraine, which grew stronger in the background. Equally it has shown that Wagner is the strongest Unit the Russians have. Which is really bad for the Russians considering how long the front is. >Now that Wagner managed to break Bakhmut alongside UA's elite battalions means that the RuAF should be able to pick up the slack from here right? The Russian have lost more land in the region around Bachmut, than Wagner made by conquering almost all of Bachmut now. If they don't watch out, they get encircled like the Germans in Stalingrad.
>>51050 They are all the Ghost of Kyiv!
>>51054 Thanks Strelok.
>>50933 >fifth video even has a Wagner phonk rap Wagner has the best produced propaganda in the entire war.
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Weeb Union reports that Russians are holding fire control over the Avdiivka railway hard despite counterattacks and shit positioning suggesting they want to make a breakthrough there. Ukrainian forces are retreating from their rural positions on the Bakhmut outskirts. This is the first sane military decision they have made in ages. When paired with information that troops are awaiting Zelensky's return before making a "final decision" on Bakhmut (and the most recent sighting of Zaluzhny being a pre-recorded video allegedly from May 18th), the conclusion seems to be that if there isn't a soft coup taking place that their positions in the context of this war have significantly weakened politically following this (wholly expected self-created) disaster.
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>>50933 >They seem to be doing fine; I wonder if that was all just feigned weakness or a distraction. I don't believe that these are pure theatrics for a few simple reasons. a. Feigning weakness is just not how the Russians do it. If it were, then they would not make videos of them fragging Hohols. b. The Kremlin is full of politicking and while they all serve under Putin, anyone other than him are fair game. c. If it was a simple distraction, then the Ukies would've spent more resources trying to take Bakhmut instead of bailing out once they knew that they're lambs to the slaughter. d. Having two different branches competing for the same objective is makes them both competitive and resentful towards each other. And when one has won a single hard fought victory against Ukraine's finest, and the other has yet to win a single fight beyond the initial surprise attack, is it any wonder why people on the top brass right now felt threatened by Prigozhin's victory? >>50969 Don't forget that they get a free money cheat too. >>51058 >I highly doubt that, simply because the Ukraine had less material than the Russians in the beginning and we don't have seen them wasting the new toys they have gotten in Bachmut. I also somewhat doubt these claims since we've seen newly sent Western AFVs like The Warrior being sent to Bakhmut and getting destroyed there. There's also footage of Polish Krabs getting hit by Shaheds. So i think it's fair to say that while the Ukrainians are not sending their most advanced stuff, the stuff that do get sent here are by no means 1970's Soviet Surplus level of Matiriel. >From all the fotage I have seen, the defense of Bachmut was relatively cheap for such a type of battle for the Ukraine. It was the Russians that have wasted more material to take the city, which is also natural for a siege. In the end the fight over Bachmut has been a nice distraction for the Ukraine, which grew stronger in the background. Equally it has shown that Wagner is the strongest Unit the Russians have. Which is really bad for the Russians considering how long the front is. Ah but you're missing the bigger context here, while it might be true that Russians do take more losses, which like you said, is normal for the attacking side, the Ukrainians proportionally lose more in this fight than the Russians. Remember, Ukrainians have sent some of their best men into this slugfest while the Wagners have been fielding relatively green grunts accompanied by Veterans. All this while the MoD trying to swindle them out if Prigozhin is to be believed. I mean just look at how precarious the Ukrainians are with their demographics and while the Russians themselves are by no means any better, the Russians have a much, much bigger pool to take their men from. >>51036 Honestly, this is pretty dubious given that it's only been a few days after the fighting, so i'd rather not believe it right now. >>51066 >Ukrainian forces are retreating from their rural positions on the Bakhmut outskirts. I can't wait for the next cope for this retreat is to say that 'It's all according to plan bro!!'
>>51058 Depends I guess, lives aren't as easy to replace as equipment and Ukraine doesn't even have the equipment to spare.
>Today Ukrainians have become more active. Allegedly, they entered Russian territory and rolled out the Grayvoron border crossing with tanks. All activity on the border with the Belgorod region has only one goal. Pull Russian reserves away from the main line. Preparations for the counteroffensive are in full swing. >Alexander Kharchenko There have been conflicting reports on UAF attack on Russian territory, if true, this would be the first time a proper armed group entered Russian soil. Previously there were only platoon+ sized diversionary groups that set up explosives on train tracks and shoot up civvie cars like the raid few weeks backs.
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>>51071 Forgot pics
>>51068 >the Wagners have been fielding relatively green grunts accompanied by Veterans Don't forget that many of those grunts were literal criminals who otherwise would be just sitting a prison, acting as deadweight for Russia. Now the prisons are a bit emptier, so they have to spend that much less money on them.
>>51071 Ukraine attacking Russia proper either indicates that NATO is cutting back funding/aid in light of Bakhmut so they have no reason to keep listening, or that Zelensky's orders are being ignored. Either way makes for some fun times if they actually properly assault Russia and maybe gets the career commanders in Russia to sweat a bit.
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Russians seem to be back to their bombing campaign. Ukrainians keep insisting they shot down 100/100 missiles without any evidence so the new Russian line is that the Ukrainians are shutting off the electricity to prevent uploading videos of missile attacks to social media. Heh. Russia has chosen to leave the abandoned rural areas outside Bakhmut as a demarcation line as "there is no point in continuing the fight right now" mysteriously as Wagner pulls out. Ukrainian flanking operation has seemed to go into operational pause as well. The whole frontline has become stagnant and the weather is expected to be stormy in the coming weeks so the Ukrainians are moving troops around and the Russians are bombing shit to look for openings and look like they're doing something. Lots of speculation about Ukrainian F16s since officially Ukraine would need 3 years to train F16 pilots, so either NATO pilots are going to be used or Russian speculation about NATO training for this well in advance is accurate. Either way Ukraine will likely not have air support (unless NATO-country piloted) this summer when the weather clears up. Russia seems to be waiting for Ukraine to attack first. tl;dr- Stalemates for the next 2-8 weeks depending on the weather and how cold Ukraine's feet get.
In other news, the singer for Ukraine's eurovision song was a NIGGER, and it was so bad they didn't win this year: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=neIscK1hNxs
>>51076 So new Ukrainians already came.
About the Belgorod rebellion, how much is true and how much is psyops? is this a bay of pigs scenario to embarrass and distract Russia? a true new front? actually independent thing? >>51076 Finland deserved to win, let's be honest
>>51078 >Finland deserved to win, let's be honest https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=rJHe-iZ5HSI I haven't watched it, but I can see why you write this. Still, it seems like /k/roatia also put on quite the performance: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=isZ_4AnCTnA
>>51075 >Russia has chosen to leave the abandoned rural areas outside Bakhmut as a demarcation line as "there is no point in continuing the fight right now" mysteriously as Wagner pulls out. Ukrainian flanking operation has seemed to go into operational pause as well. The whole frontline has become stagnant and the weather is expected to be stormy in the coming weeks so the Ukrainians are moving troops around and the Russians are bombing shit to look for openings and look like they're doing something. So season 1 of the war really is over.
>>51078 >is this a bay of pigs scenario to embarrass and distract Russia? Pretty much, just like what happened near Bryansk last time.
>>51075 >tl;dr- Stalemates for the next 2-8 weeks depending on the weather and how cold Ukraine's feet get. Just you wait, the spring counter offensive will be so devastating for the Russians they will surrender Crimea back to Ukraine.
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>Putin is out of the country >Zelensky is flying back Yeah shit's going to kick off
>>51078 Apparently there's a tactical nuke storage base in the area. >inb4 the plot of MGS1 happens
>>51074 So far it seams that forced involved in the excursion is relatively small, about a company or two supported by few tanks and AFVs. Definitely not an invasion force, enough to cause problems for Russians but small enough to be written of by Ukrainian goverment as independently initiated should need arise to wash their hands. Gotta love plausible deniability.
So what are the chances that NATO escalates into direct air involvement following the F16s getting shot down? Germany is categorically denying the possibility meaning it's either inevitable or this is the last great groan of the failing leviathan.
Artemovsk is Russian!!!! UUUURRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SLAVA RUSSIYA
Looks like the pro-Ukraine crowd is ignoring Bakhmut in favor of the incursion into Belgorod. Didn't the Russians evacuate the area of non-essential personnel some time ago? In any case they've allegedly taken "three towns." Russia says they've lost control of Graivoron. Most people are expecting Russians to push back the Ukrainians from Golovchino with the Ukrainians quickly retreating, but if Ukraine continues the attack then Putin won't be able to ignore them any more. The lack of border security and mass-bombing by Russian aircraft of their own towns makes me suspect that this was a fuckup on the part of Russia. >>51085 Yeah, Ukraine is pulling the little green men card so this will be quite interesting to see how Russia responds. They're insisting "the Russians are doing it it and brought their own tanks/artillery."
>>51077 Most of the prime women have long been (((exfiltrated))) and serving men elsewhere. All "ware all dey white wimminz dun be at?" are going to find slim pickings.
>>51087 >that pic wrong slavs britbongkun >>51088 Due to the small size of and limited scope of this raid, I belive this is nothing more than publicity stunt to shift attention from loss of Bakhmut Artemovsk. There is no large force maneuver or penetration in depth from UAF, just another event that will get Russia made fun out of online , and semi deserving so.
>>51092 >wrong slavs britbongkun What happened with "together we are 300 million"?
>>51093 You're asking the Serb that? You gone out of your mind or something, Canuck-kun?
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>>51093 Kek, you got me there. Just wanted to point out different styles of headwar so people dont mistake one alcoholic slavs from another. Now, if it was ushanka.....
>>50898 >After all the opportunity to destroy potentially dozens of NATO aircraft in the hands of a non NATO nation, and thereby avoiding the normal consequences of doing so, is almost too much of a treat to avoid. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if some in the upper Russian echelons were thinking >"Oh Blyat! If we string this war along long enough maybe the Americans will give the hohols an aircraft carrier or two and we can really have some fun then!" Isn’t this, like, half entire point of this exercise? >>51075 > as "there is no point in continuing the fight right now" mysteriously as Wagner pulls out. Makes sense. There’s always a chance that after the Current Thing dies, Zelensky will turn to Bakhmut again and waste more of his army and NATO materiel for PR. Why discourage him?
>>51096 Why is the Artist formerly known as Bakhmut so important anyway?
>>51097 The ukros have overhyped it themselves by talking about how "Russians will never take Bakhmut", "Bakhmut is a Forstress" etc., turning it into a media thing.
>>51097 Big nexus of both rail and road. Otherwise, it's just a place that's valuable because of how many resources were committed there.
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>>51097 Same reason most military victories are decided at some random river or hill that is otherwise unimportant; one side draws a line in the sand due to defensive or political reasons, and then the other side bleeds them dry making it unnecessary to even go after the major fortress cities. Historically major battles don't usually happen in major cities/towns unless you're the French, Germans, or Soviets.
So if Russia sent anti terrorist forces into Belgorod instead of the army, does that mean they intend to declare Ukraine a terrorist state instead of nuking them?
>>51104 >does that mean they intend to declare Ukraine a terrorist state The occupation regime of the former Ukraine has already openly declared themselves a terrorist state sponsor. Why wouldn't Russia just agree with them on this? www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-assassinated-russian-propagandists-admits-intelligence-chief-fl33rn5vc
I stopped visiting these threads sometime last year, and came back to see Bakhmut still being relevant. What a retarded war. I feel bad for all the conscripts thrown into this mess.
>“The training of Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 has already begun, Ukraine will soon receive aircraft,” said Josep Borrell, head of European diplomacy. It's funny how fast we go from "There will be no plane deliveries" to "Pilots are already trained, F-16 are imminent"
>>51113 Yeah, Russia really dropped the ball on this one. If they didn't fuck up the first 3 days of the Blitz, we would've been talking about Ukranian guerillas near the Polish border by now. They're learning, but not as fast as the Ukies are.
https://nitter.1d4.us/visegrad24/status/1660922510467104768 >The Freedom of Russia Legion say they entered Belgorod after residents requested the Legion to conduct a peacekeeping operation in the region. Also, they apparently took over an other town today.
>>51113 Yes, well it's not Russia's fault that Ukraine decided to make Bakhmut/Artyomovsk their hill to die on. This is how most wars have historically gone outside of American bombing campaigns and WWII. A fort or town away from major industrial centers gets designated as the place to bash weapons together to minimize economic losses on both sides (since resources are what's desired), and then we find out the real effects of the long sieges about 2-6 months after it's ogre.
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>>51116 You know if Russia can bait them into attacking the nuclear stockpile base nearby, their military doctrine gives them the right to use kiloton-yield nuclear artillery in retaliation. I have to wonder if this is a case of useful idiots. Not a false flag outright but rather letting these groups do as they please with intentionally weak defenses nearby, and then finding evidence that they are part of Ukraine proper to justify further escalation.
>>51119 Russia already had their justification back when Ukraine attacked their strategic airfields with drones months ago, nothing happened.
>>51121 Annoyances are not the same thing as boots on the ground in the minda of slavs. It's a serious escalation. It's the difference between shooting someone for spitting on your shirt because it's "assault" vs someone charging at you with a knife. You're gonna have a harder court case (harder time with the international community) going after the shirt-spitter
>>51119 Their usefulness already was that of doing a cross-border raid for the sake of propaganda. Anything of actual consequence is just a bonus for them.
>>51116 Denis Nikitin leader of the Russian Volunteer Corps. Looks like RVC has ties to the Azov battalion, seems like it was formed in 2014 when the Donbas war happened, these are not russian partians but Ukrainians that speak Russian
>>51124 >first pic What is going on with his left leg?
>>51037 >>51040 for sure, no prob. it's good to know my work is appreciated. >>51062 yes indeed >>51068 that makes sense. still, there's alot of propaganda/misdirection to sort through. >>51097 to add to the other replies to this (which are correct), Bakhmut/Artyomovsk is also at the key juncture of Ukraine's major defensive belts in the Donbass. After the Russians take Chasiv Yar, they'll be able to roll up the defensive lines and push the front further towards Izyum. Big Serge delved into this in one of his posts, because you sure won't get any real info from MSM.
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MoD says the settlements in Belgorod have been retaken.
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>What is happening in the Belgorod region? Situation as of 17.00 May 23, 2023 >Russian subdivisions continue to carry out the counter-terrorist operation on the territory of the Belgorod region . >According to preliminary data, Kozinka and the Grayvoron border crossing have been taken under control by Russian troops. Activities to search for and clean up the surviving militants continue. >Since up to 500 members of Ukrainian formations are observed in Velyka Pisarevka on the other side of the border, there are fears that another attempt will be made to break through the border. >From the side of Cossack Lopan and Ud, attempts are being made to cross the border with small forces: Russian border guards repelled attacks near Shchetinovka and Gorkovsky . A small enemy DRG of five people tried to cross the state border near Tsapovka . Having fired at the Russian positions, the group fled back to the territory of Ukraine under return fire. >Russian border guards carefully control the approaches to Shebekino : from the direction of Volchansk, there is an increased accumulation of equipment and personnel. >Despite the general completion of the main stage of the counter-terrorist operation, there is still a possibility of attempts to break through the state border from the enemy's DRG in other areas. >Among the rank and file of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, rumors are spreading about an imminent throw "20 km deep" in the Belgorod region and that what is happening is "not the end yet." To what extent these rumors with sentiments will be confirmed and whether they are not the most common reassurance of ourselves that not everything is lost, we will see in the coming days.
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>>51119 >we're not in the Prigozhin goes Big Boss and seizes control of a Russian nuclear base with an elite squad of special forces in response to being removed as commander of Wagner timeline
>>51115 /thread.
>>51068 >Ukrainians have sent some of their best men into this slugfest while the Wagners have been fielding relatively green grunts accompanied by Veterans. See, this is the point I disagree with, because the Ukraine dosn't have "best men". They have soldiers that naturally get experience because of the ongoing war, but that is it. The Ukraine didn't send the equivalent of a Panzer Lehr Division to Bachmut. Also what is a Ukrainian Veteran? That they have fought since 2014? Or since the beginning of 2022? The experience of Ukrainian forces is equal to the number of men they send into combat, naturally they lose a lot, but there is no shortage of men with battle experience among those that return. Meanwhile Wagner is a PMC, theoritically they are stronger than regular soldiers, because of better gear, better training+regular experience. But if such a force has to suffer heavy casulties, like they did in Bachmut, a mercenary force has historically bigger problems getting good replacements than a regular army. And getting prison conscripts is literally poison for such a force, because they are just as bad and often times worse than regular conscripts. And since we have seen that Wager is better than the regular Russian army, this is really terrible for the Russian war effort, because this means that the Ukraine exchanged generic troops for some of the best troops the Russians had to offer.
>>51132 Law of diminishing returns. If 100 veterans and 100 grunts go in, and only 60 return, then you only have 60 veterans. I don't disagree necessarily but the numbers still get reduced unless more people come back than veterans lost.
>>51132 >And getting prison conscripts is literally poison for such a force, because they are just as bad and often times worse than regular conscripts I'd expect that's the fundamental flaw in your reasoning. Obviously there's no lack of availability, and especially after they return from their R&R/training milieu. They clearly have accomplished a major victory against 100'000+ ukrops (most of the dead likely were snot-nosed kids press-ganged out of the very arms of their mothers). >tl;dr Russia's in a far better position ATM than natto is, they'll have little problems drawing from their much larger, much more willing base of available conscripts.
Ukrainian invasion was repelled, Shoigu is forming a bunch of Wagner lookalikes to replace them. Ukrainians keep bum rushing positions in little recon attacks. Zelensky allegedly geolocated somewhere in the Donbass.
>>51135 >Zelensky allegedly geolocated somewhere in the Donbass. Why would he do that?
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>>51132 >And getting prison conscripts is literally poison for such a force, because they are just as bad and often times worse than regular conscripts. To be fair it can work if done right, the French foreign legion is a great example considering half their army consists of desperate convicts many of whom don't even speak French at first, of course that said even the tough as nails FFL got their asses kicked in Mali because the natives will always have a defending advantage, it's their backyard after all and they know it best. Hence why Russia struggles whenever they try expanding outside of the Donbas/Donetsk and Luhansk region and why Holol's struggle to take those regions back because neither side wants to be conquered by the other. I'm sure by the end of it one of the regions major rivers will become the new border. >>50896 Are you surprised? We already let the Holol's play around with our HIMARS. Sooner or later they'll probably get some watered down F35's too. I'd prefer the US just give Swedenistan contract money to whip up a dozen last generation Gripen's that would typically be exported to countries like Niger since most of them will get shot down anyway. >>51075 >Ukrainians keep insisting they shot down 100/100 missiles without any evidence I'm sure the patriots hit a few but the reality is that it's always cheaper to lob a missile than it is to defend against one. You just need more missiles as we've seen in Israel with their iron dome against the Qassam brigades and Syria with Russia's systems against the US and various Sharia groups too. Hence why China is investing heavily in anti ship missiles since they clearly see the writing on the wall, of course we have yet to see if they'll even work or if the PLA's navy is just another paper tiger but I'm sure 50 of them would scare the US aircraft carriers away from the Mainland coast that's for sure and they're building those things fast. >so either NATO pilots are going to be used or Russian speculation about NATO training for this well in advance is accurate. Either way Ukraine will likely not have air support (unless NATO-country piloted) this summer when the weather clears up. Or the Holol's could just conveniently give citizenship to said F16 fighter pilots, wink wink. It's totally not a war against of all N.A.T.O. anon. I do wonder how Putin will retaliate against that one, sure foreign ground mercs are one thing and both sides are guilty of that but foreign native Ukrainians of Anglo and African descent. >>51078 >Finland deserved to win, let's be honest I feel sorry for the Fingolians that their leadership got spooked out of their neutrality. At the very least at this point I hope they're just doing it for N.A.T.O. gibs me dats similarly to what Hungary does and doesn't actually plan on aiding the USA in turning Iran into ruins so Europe and Turkey can get flooded with even more refugees. I guess they could still practice neutrality if they only dedicate their soldiers to be medics and construction workers and outright refuse lethal aid of any kind, kinda like what Japan does. Non the less it's a damn shame for the land of quality bolt actions and cheap vodka. >>51084 THE MEMES
A lot of the Russians who fled the country are coming back because while automobiles/computers are expensive, Russia currently has a food and oil abundance along with cheap oligarch rental property making it cheap to live there on a Russian salary/save up money. China's restructuring to support Russian trade instead of American trade as well. Russia has traded enough with China to pull China out of their bubble for now. The other major destinations for foreigners right now for similar reasons are Mexico City (tech bubble) and El Salvador (allegedly they haven't had a murder in three months because of crackdowns on crime). >>51136 Don't know, but he has a track record of visiting locations right before the Russians take them as his own form of shitposting so Ukrainians are pissed and Russians are angry that Poutine didn't shoot at his convoy. >>51137 >Sooner or later they'll probably get some watered down F35's too. I've been wondering about that. Sooner or later either Russia has to step down, NATO has to step down, NATO has to get involved directly, or NATO has to provide current-generation military goods (or some combination of some or all of the above). It seemed like up until this point they wanted to find a good stalemate to convince Russia to step back, but after Minsk I/II there is no trust towards NATO, and I don't think stepping down is politically viable any more for the Russians even though the Russian brass wants to, with the invasion towards Belgorod solidifying this stance amongst Russian civilians and military grunts. >Or the Holol's could just conveniently give citizenship to said F16 fighter pilots, wink wink. My biggest concern is that NATO is well-known for their air superiority so this could turn into an air battle before too much longer if NATO decides to go balls-to-the-wall and establish a no-fly zone. They'll bypass pretending altogether to go straight for the nuclear war. >Non the less it's a damn shame for the land of quality bolt actions and cheap vodka. They voted out the partyfaggot binge-drinking Weimar-tier cunt who did all that shit but unfortunately once the leviathan is in motion it's hard to stop it. Finland has to remain in NATO for at least a decade before they are allowed to leave. However that being said, they can do as you said and just pretend to give support without getting involved militarily. Something tells me Finland only joined in order to get Swedish gibs.
>>51134 >Russia's in a far better position ATM than natto is, they'll have little problems drawing from their much larger, much more willing base of available conscripts. I've read this quote in different ways for the past year and every time it's said, something along the way goes wrong and Russia is back to moving millimeters per day. On the first major "stepping stone" to storming the rest of Yurop no less. >>51139 >El Salvador (allegedly they haven't had a murder in three months because of crackdowns on crime). You're selling this short, their zoomer president is waging an all out war on anyone who has a tattoo. I've heard reports that up to 15% of their male population is behind bars.
>>51137 French Foreign Legion works because the conscripts want to join, are vetted to remove undesirable criminals and have to go through a hellish training regimen just to be shipped off to Africa to maintain public order. That's comparing a gourmet meal to McD's. Only upside is that the penal battalion either ends up in more dead convicts or exports the crime to the enemy territory so it solves two problems with one gun shared by twenty pedophiles.
>>51141 >their zoomer president is waging an all out war on anyone who has a tattoo. To be fair if the gangs are wearing their gang affiliations in the open they are asking to find out. Tats are how El Salvadorans identify with their gangs. Tattoos are degenerate anyways. It's more a case of "if you don't respect our rules we won't respect your rights" over there. >>51134 Russia has more food and more gas to go around, but they're still in the developing economy phase. They have old soviet infrastructure being retooled for modern use, but their new shit isn't up to snuff (yet). Thankfully with Chinese trade expanding NATO won't be able to take action (and may lose South Korea/Turkey) before too much longer if they keep letting Russia win.
>>51142 The Wagner prisoners wanted to join and were vetted to remove undesireables though. There was even a video where Prigozhin said violent offenders and sex offenders could submit appeal applications but would be denied by default.
>>51139 >Mexico City (tech bubble) Not really, it's because they have tons of american subsidiaries there to have many americans in good positions and the costs of living are pretty low in relation to big cities in the US. Also americans are very used to heavy traffic which is considered retarded by non-mexico city citizens so they rather skip that destination for other places like Monterrey, Queretaro or Puebla. >allegedly they haven't had a murder in three months Which is bullshit, perhaps not a single murder in gang related activities but some of their cops have been getting it as revenge by the few gangbangers who still have a set of balls in them. >>51143 >"if you don't respect our rules we won't respect your rights" over there. He has been cleaning pretty nicely but the guy is succumbing hard into the politics rabbit hole, he decided to extend his rule which is unconstitutional despite running as a "pls respect the constitution" and when some political figures in the region called him out he went against them, for example he picked a fight with a former president of ours and called him assassin for going against the cartels with the military which is highly puzzling as he is doing the same in an even bigger fashion. From being seen as a no-nonsense technocrat he is now seen by the folk around here as an uppity risk-taking caudillo which is fine by most but the kind of guy that, if he's your ruler, you make special plans to take him out or block his rulings if he starts making crazier actions like making BBQ illegal to protect the environment or putting the military police in hospitals.
>>51134 >Obviously there's no lack of availability MoD's cockblocked further prison recruitment drives from Wagner.
>>51146 >Not really, it's because they have tons of american subsidiaries there to have many americans in good positions and the costs of living are pretty low in relation to big cities in the US Yeah, a tech bubble. It's enough for streamers to live comfortably, have internet, and not get assaulted in the streets. Plus Mexico City is one of the only cities on earth without a census.
>>51139 >Finland stuck in NATO Well, they could pull a Turkroach and get away with it I think. the arctic sea ports are pretty strategic, and I highly doubt the Swedes want the Finns to perkele a reverse greater Scandinavia with a reboot of the Great Northern war.
>>51134 >I'd expect that's the fundamental flaw in your reasoning. Obviously there's no lack of availability,... Oh there is, which can be seen in the whole Bachmut situation. The "bleeding the enemy" dry rethoric was started to be used by Wagner after they were denied an easy victory, it was a cope. We have seen the meltdowns of Prigozhin before Wagner caputed the last blocks of Wagner, that wasn't a trick, because no man with dignity would embaress embarrass themselves to the world in such a way just to conquer one city. Wagner didn't conquer Bachmut like some hero proud of his own strength, they won like desperate men, knowing if they didn't win then Putin and the Russian military would be over them like rabid dogs. >(most of the dead likely were snot-nosed kids press-ganged out of the very arms of their mothers). Honestly both Ukrainians and Russians have so many starvation victims with fetal alcohol syndrome looking faces among their troops that it isn't funny. >>51137 >To be fair it can work if done right, the French foreign legion... The Russian military and Russia itself is far away from the standards of the French foreign legion. And to trust a Russian Oligarch to build such a force is like trusting Russian Oligarchs not the spend military funds on their super yachs and sell Russian military equipment to have enough money for hookers and coke. >Or the Holol's could just conveniently give citizenship to said F16 fighter pilots, wink wink. It's totally not a war against of all N.A.T.O. anon. I do wonder how Putin will retaliate against that one,... I forgot if it was during the Korean War or the Vietnam War, but the communist that fought the USA used aircrafts that directly started from Soviet territory to attack US airplanes. The Russians were making the excuse that it was foreign machines with foreign pilots they had no control over. By the same logic NATO could send F16 fighters from Poland to attack targets in the Ukraine an Russia and claim the same thing, as long as the aircrafts and crew belong to the Ukraine. Putin is currently in a position in which he can only complain but not retaliate, because if he does it's game over for him.
>>51154 >Putin is currently in a position in which he can only complain but not retaliate Well he can retaliate by shootting the planes down or better yet bombing them while they're still in the hanger/on the air strip. >because if he does it's game over for him. Yeah him and the rest of the northern hemisphere.
>Yevgeny Prigozhin named the approximate number of losses in the direction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Wagner in the Bakhmut meat grinder >AFU - 50 thousand killed and 70 thousand wounded >"Wagner" - 10 thousand fighters under the "K" program (prisoners) and 10 thousand killed and wounded among the staff of the "musicians". Obviously the numbers of casulties estimated for UAF would be inflated, but I think Prigozhin would give somewhat reliable number of Wagner casulties.
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>>51156 >Only 10k on the press-ganged prisoners Don't get me wrong, the amount of "Musicians" AKA actual Wagnerites killed should be around that estimate. But only 10k for the Penal Battalion? I ain't buying it.
>>51157 >press-ganged prisoners Lol. Are you trying to conflate the 'get out of jail free' pass, with the filthy rat sending Russian speaking 10's of thousands of young lads into the meat grinder for the glory of Greater Jerusalem? Lol no.
>"Hey, what could possibly go wrong?" www.rt.com/russia/576803-ukraine-raid-western-hardware/ So, I guess they're testing the waters first before sending the F35s over the border?
>>51157 Honestly I have no trouble believing those numbers and that ratio of Wagner/Shtrafbat losses. The way I read it in the previous few months is that K troops were used to crack open a position before sending Wagnerites in, and if K troops proved themselves they would have been integrated in Wagner proper, after accepting and signing the 6 month contract. So the line kinda gets blurry. What I have trouble believing is that they traded that favorably against UAF , while being on the offensive in urban combat, while Shoigu and Gerasimov were hell bent on fucking them over. I think they would have traded equally at best in Bakhmut Artemovsk.
>>51157 The penal battalions only recruited 16k-20k soldiers in the first place so that's still around a 50% loss.
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>>51157 >>51163 In the statement he said that 50k were recruited and the 10k KIA were a 20% loss, and that the 10k KIA of their contract fighters were out of a total of 35k.
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According to Russian claims, Ukrainans used the grain corridor to unsuccessfully attack Russian reconnaissance ship with an unnamed drone filled with explosive, which was destroyedon approach. Similar drones were used to attack Sevastopol few months back, which were all intercepted or captured.
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>>51165 Do they not know Rowling is persona non grata these days to their audience of Current Thing supporters?
Apparently Ukraine used American vehicles and equipment during their incursion into Russia. America refuses to comment. People questioning whether it was Ukraine protesting reduced gibs or shitposting at Russia.
High ranking Russian officials have said they will reject any peace proposal in Ukraine (from America) that does not push NATO back to their 1970 borders with Russian-NATO joint exercises in any border NATO countries.
>>51176 >push NATO back to their 1970 borders <kick out Spain <re-partition Germany Are you sure you don't mean 1990?
>>51176 Oh fug we're going to have WWIII after all.
>>51178 >implying won't be another Korea situation with an endless ceasefire
>>51167 the reason behind the attack the ukros are claiming that port of Pivdennyi and Chornomorsk has blockaded since May 2, the only goods that could travel through the black sea is through Mykolaiv
>>51160 >>51174 It's a shoop, trust me bro!
>>51179 You know the only thing saving South Korea from being artillery barraged into oblivion by the Norks is Americans the fact that they are cozying up to China, North Korea's ally, right? Anyways this is more likely to be a combination of the Balkans and Vietnam where most of Ukraine becomes part of Russia and the rest gets split up into independent city-states with surrounding farmland, or end up being taken by Western countries. Ukraine will exist only as Kiev, maybe Lviv, and Cherkasky becoming the largest Southern city by the end of this unless Donald Trump gets elected or NATO runs out of ammunition/bodies to supply Ukraine. At the rate of expenditure it looks like it will be the latter.
>>51180 Doesn't that kinda go against their interests to maintain open grain corridor? But then again, it's not like the Russians are gonna sanctioned them from crossing another 'red line'
>>51184 >>51180 The purpose of the grain corridor was primarily to ease tensions with Turkey, Moldova, and Romania and had the secondary intent of getting wheat to Africa (which Europeans then turned the ships around to deliver wheat to Europe instead and emptied Ukraine's grain coffers which temporarily caused rationing on the front lines). With the war ongoing most of those Ukrainian fields are full of trenches or soldier tents so they aren't farming any more. Ukraine is trying to keep Erdogan from getting reelected so they're doing all these stunts to make Russia look weak since Erdogan is considered the pro-Russian candidate. Europe doesn't need the grain corridor any more until next year while Russia and Turkey does, so Ukraine doesn't need it any more. After May 28th Russia can tell Ukraine to go fuck itself six ways to Sunday but until then Russia has to keep their mouths shut and let Ukraine fuck around.
Russia has redeployed their fleet around the Black Sea after an American reconnaissance vehicle was found flying overhead and Ukraine made an attempt on the underwater pipeline connecting to Turkey. Russia apparently covered the Crimean Bridge with smoke so that the American devices couldn't collect information. Russians claiming they have confirmation that Zaluzhny received a shrapnel wound to the head while visiting Kherson at the beginning of the month and that he will likely be retired due to the head injury. Implying brain damage I guess? If you believe the Russians then it's implied he will remain head of the army in name to prevent a morale drop. If you believe the Ukrainians there has been no verifiable evidence of Zaluzhny's health this month.
>>51185 >After May 28th Russia can tell Ukraine to go fuck itself six ways to Sunday Why that day in particular Strelok?
>>51150 >and not get assaulted in the streets L O L >>51186 >Zaluzhny received a shrapnel wound to the head So this is a "Maher Assad got half his limbs torn out by coincidence" attack? poor Zalu got a permanent visit to the bed, it was implied he wasn't a gung-ho dude so too bad, also this comes as a decent reason for clown jew leader to come back ASAP to Ukraine some days ago to avoid a void :^) in power.
>>51185 > After May 28th Russia can tell Ukraine to go fuck itself six ways to Sunday FUCK YOU KIEV!
>>51187 That's election day for edrogan; the grain deal makes him look good. If he secures his power then the deal is no longer needed to make him look good.
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>>51124 >>51116 Russian Volunteer Corps on the "success" of the peacekeeping operation. Freedom of Russia Legion/ Russian Volunteer Corps are nothing but tik tok brigades posting selfies of themselves.
>>51190 Got it, thanks. >>51191 Cellphones are basically one of the brightest EM sources in common use. And clusters of them are great as homing beacons as we've already seen during this war. My bet is they literally can't stop using them; pride, ego, addiction, w/e. It'd sure be a real shame if something happened to those pretty iPhones. :^)
>>51191 >nothing but tik tok brigades posting selfies of themselves so they're niggers >>51192 >brightest EM sources and they glow makes sense.
>>51182 I think Ukraine will end up divided a few ways: >Southeast, from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkiv annexed by Russia >Kiev city-state under Russian control >Western Ukraine NATO rump-state, with Lviv as capital >the rest nominally independent, but under Russian influence. I'm not sure about Northeastern Ukraine, it's on the border with Russia, but isn't there difficult terrain or some other issue there? not sure >>51191 they call themselves brigades, but they're probably closer to battalion size.
>>51195 You don't think some of the other nearby countries might bite off a piece once the dissolution gets well and underway?
>>51161 Despite all the complaining about muh shells, didn't Wagner still have overwhelming artillery superiority for most of the battle?
>>51182 >implying NATO is going to give up their pet project so lightly instead of propping up an entirely artificial state just spite its geopolitical rivals like Kosovo
>>51198 They may not have a choice this time. We'll have to see.
>>51195 >>the rest >nominally independent, but under Russian influence. I agree with the rest but I doubt we'll see much 'independence' movements going forward, no one's left sitting on the fence anymore, and Russia has no soft power left for FSB gayops. >>51196 >You don't think some of the other nearby countries might bite off a piece once the dissolution gets well and underway? I don't think so, annexing territory is going to be seen as Putin-esque and faux pas in the western parts. Virtue signaling about territorial integrity and staying in globohomo's good graces will be more advantageous economically than gaining some shitter shattered territory.
>>51197 Overwhelming is a bit of a relative word in this case. If a cripple is beating the shit out of a paraplegic you could say the cripple has "overwhelming offensive capabilities" by virtue of having limbs, but that doesn't mean they themselves are actually that strong. There was a shell shortage in Bakhmut on both sides but the Russians made up for it (somewhat) with tanks acting as artillery pieces.
>>51195 Yeah, I see Russia taking Kharkiv (too easy of a corridor) and Odessa (connection to Transnistria and cuts off Ukrainian sea access) before this war ends still, even if that goal could be a year or three off. Kiev is a mixed bag; I think Russia wanted to hand it to Belarus, but Lukashenko has gotten cold feet in this conflict and now Peskov is threatening to "liberate" Belarus if Lukashenko dies or gets ousted. It's not so much that Ukraine can hold queef, but rather that there's nobody to fill in the gap if Ukraine is gone, so Russia will have to let them be autonomous/independent even if Russia-friendly (they may only be Russia-friendly to allow trade up the river). Western Ukraine is likely to be partitioned by Poland, Hungary, and Romania. If Ukraine becomes insolvent I just can't see them allowing it to exist as a rump state wildcard. Poland hates Russia, but hates having an unstable border even more. Hungary is fairly pissed, and Romania won't let Hungary just gobble up enough land to connect to Russia or a Russia-friendly nation so they'll inevitably try to annex some portion of land (maybe as part of a peace settlement with Moldova to reunite). >but isn't there difficult terrain or some other issue there? Most of the difficult terrain is in Western Ukraine. North-Eastern Ukraine has lots of forests, but forests only benefit you if you have troops to fill them with. The biggest issue with North-Eastern Ukraine is the same issue with the Donbass region which is that you have wide open valleys where the border is almost solvent and then mountainous/hilly regions on either side of these valleys where insurgents can easily sprout up without much to do about it. >>51198 The difference is that America was experiencing an economic "boom" of sorts during Kosovo and Russia was at basically their lowest economic position in the last century at the time. The tables have turned and Russia is seeing their "1950s America" moment while American society is in freefall both economically and more importantly culturally. Europe would have to prop up that artificial state, and Europe's condition is almost as terminal as the Americans right now. I just don't think NATO has the resources to prop up an artificial state in Ukraine without compromising themselves. Honestly NATO needs to dissolve with Eastern Europe forming its own security organization and Western Europe forming a naval/land trade organization with security details. >>51200 >and Russia has no soft power left for FSB gayops. Akshully rumor is that Russia got caught with their pants down at the beginning of the war because of this, but that at this point there are so many defectors that their soft power over Ukraine is arguably the strongest it's been in a decade because of corruption/defectors. That's actually why they think the missile campaign lightened up since it was interfering with their gayops in queef. >Virtue signaling about territorial integrity and staying in globohomo's good graces will be more advantageous economically than gaining some shitter shattered territory. If Hungary sees an opportunity to form a land bridge with Russia they're going to bite at the bit. If Poland sees an opportunity to form a land bridge to Russia for gayops they will bite at the bit. If Romania sees an opportunity to fuck with Hungary, they too will bite at the bit. Playing nice with globohomo only lasts until the war is at their doorstep and they have to choose between a vitriolic Nationalist terrorist state or Russia as their neighbor. Globohomo better ramp up the gibs if they want to force any of those three to pick that option.
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Oh right, this river map may be useful for Strelok for finding Ukraine's natural barriers. Included a topographic map as well for reference.
>>51191 What is it with Holol's and Vatniks insisting on using that ///Chinese spyware\\\ + (((hosted on American))) servers no less ON A FUCKING BATTLEFIELD? I swear if I was a captain on either side of that conflict and I caught one of my grunts using that shit I'd microwave his android/iPhone and replace it with a locked down fisher price flip phone with parental controls since they clearly can't be trusted to not be retarded and risk the entire squad getting wiped out by a drone or indirect artillery fire. And I say that as someone who absolutely hates otherwise needless E-waste. Willingly downloading Chinktok or any other shit app on your personal device automatically constitutes a major IQ test failure. I can tolerate the idea of using an older spare phone for that single purpose even though I can't imagine it being all that worth it effort and content wise.
>>51185 >feed niggers and Arabs >feed French-Belgians and Gypsies A genuinely difficult decision to make, can I choose neither? I'd vote on sending it to S-Korea instead since they make cool and useful shit there.
>>51205 >Sending grain to the oriental jew The best move in that game is not to play
>>51203 That's handy thanks Strelok
>>51197 Not the whole way trough, last 30% was marked by myriad of shell shortages. At one time Progozhin made announcement that he'll supply enough small arms to equip a million men to anybody who can supply him with 2K 152mm shells a day. Now, this being Prigozhin, can't be said how much of it was shitpost. Like today he left two Wagnerites in Bakhmut to act as a bodyguard and 'Stop UAF army should they go on the offense and give problems to Russian Military thats reliving Bakhmut' . Shitposting at its finest.
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>>51181 >It's a shoop, trust me bro! Don't shoop me bro!
>>51202 Good points overall. There's a small chunk of Ukraine near the Carpathians, and I expect Poland/Hungary/Romania to annex it between them. Whether they take more territory, and whether Moldova makes a grab, depends on the stance of globohomo -- given how invested they are in muh slava ukraini, I could see them propping up a rump state, but it remains to be seen.
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>>51202 >The difference is that America was experiencing an economic "boom" of sorts during Kosovo and Russia was at basically their lowest economic position in the last century at the time. The tables have turned and Russia is seeing their "1950s America" moment while American society is in freefall both economically and more importantly culturally. Europe would have to prop up that artificial state, and Europe's condition is almost as terminal as the Americans right now. I just don't think NATO has the resources to prop up an artificial state in Ukraine without compromising themselves. The global elite are chomping at the bit for an excuse to impose their WEF world order and keeping a lukewarm forever war going in an attempt to fend off their decline would allow them to boil the normie frog with the justification that they have to surrender what they own in the interest of mobilization to stop the enemies of democracy and gay marriage and so on. The propaganda mill has been running overtime since the start of the war to paint Russia as the epitome of evil, and even if they bankrupt the sheep at the end of it as the masses will still be happy as long as public messaging validates their self-destruction as having been towards a fashionable and morally virtuous cause. AI systems make that manipulation more effective and efficient than ever before.
>>51214 They couldn't even keep tuck-friendly child swimwear and satanic imagery at Target without normalfags losing their shit. Hell, Butt Light has become a dead brand. Globohomo overplayed their hand, and men are tired of AWFLs. (affluent white female liberals). They overplayed the racism card and now nobody cares what they boo for because they know what globohomo cheers for. Don't expect another Hitler, but rather more Trumps, Putins, and Bukeles. Polite sage since I don't think this is really worth spawning a few dozen replies over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFaNjvh5Zo0 Weeb made a timelapse of Popasna and Bakhmut. Good link to send people to the next time they winge about wanting a war summary because they missed content.
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Apparently Poland was discussing a possible military strike on Belarus, so the Belarusians and Russians signed an agreement to stage nukes in Belarus as a shitpost at Poland telling them to "bring it on." Russia seems to be running a lot of probing drone strikes on Western Ukraine; I think they're looking for aircraft and anti-air defense systems. Dima suspects this is why Ukraine let them get as far west as they did. Kharkiv appears to be exhausted of anti-air systems. Ukrainians are spreading their tanks among residential blocks in Dnipro and Zaporizhia to prevent Russian air strikes. It seems Ukraine is struggling with how to secure large numbers of vehicles in one place without them getting bombed, and until they can solve that one the offensive is probably a pipe dream. Russia running a minor offensive towards Khromove and Bohdanivka using DPR forces to create a buffer between them and the Ukrainians. These will also likely act like a bridgehead for the Chasiv Yar offensive whenever that ends up happening. The end goal is likely to put pressure on Kostyantynivka in order to drive the Ukrainians out of (or encircle) New York. tl;dr- Russians are doing the exact opposite of what everyone expected them to do and appear to be going on the offensive. Likely out of asshurt about Wagner and the Russian incursion.
>>51220 HAHAHAHAA RUSSIA LOST SO MUCH GEAR THEY WENT BACK TO NAPOLEONICS
>>51220 >in order to drive the Ukrainians out of (or encircle) New York I genuinely want to see headlines about the Russians attacking New York.
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The deal to send tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus from two or three threads ago has been finalized and has been signed by law. Iskander-Ms will end up in Belarus too.
According to one of the hohol talking heads the counterattack started days ago on a 1500km wide front.
>>51226 >a 1500km wide front. >what if they threw a war and nobody came?
>>51204 >and replace it with a locked down fisher price flip phone with parental controls It will still glow and cause HARM.
>>51213 >⚡️⚡️⚡️the-fsb-publishes-footage-of-the-detention-of-ukrainian-saboteurs-preparing-terrorist-attacks-on-nuclear-facilities-in-the-russian-federation⚡️⚡️⚡️-flydownloader.mp4 I think that video deserve more attention. When and where did this happen? How much news coverage is this getting from either side? Something like this a year ago would be practically worthy of it's own thread.
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>>51214 >chatgpt Not even in a rented computer.
>Ukrainian Intelligence Says It's Trying To Kill Putin Yeah I'm sure that's going to work out super well for everyone and won't at all bring about terrible consequences for the entire planet. https://archive.is/IHmlq https://archive.is/G7tdV https://archive.is/NwmUS https://archive.is/m3th1
>>51235 Mind giving us a tl;dr Strelok? All archive.today sites are behind cuckflare. Why not use archive.org instead?
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>>51236 >tl;dr Guess i can. Will use the first article as basis and the other 3 as extra info in greentext. First article: May 24, 2023 Vadym Skibitsky, second in command of the Ukrie mil-int, says Kievan spies are active in plotting ruskie regicides and Putin is well aware of it, according to an interview with the german Die Welt. Vadym mentions they are getting closer to him and that Putin is also afraid of his own people. Affirms the russian president's assassination is a top priority, comments on russian popular opinion being on the down low according to their "phone checks". Same killer feelings are targeted at Prigozhin, "our priority is to eliminate those who order the men to attack"; Putin is still the main dish in their hitlist so the Wagner leader is a side meal. Heavily implies everyone will have to pay and that Shoigu + Gerasimov are also targeted as "they cannot turn back", also says anyone manufacturing or financing weapons is a legitimate goal aka target. RT also mentions: >Failed to kill Putin because he likes to stay holed up but "is now beginning to stick his head out" that's what she said >Implies his use of doubles in public appearances >Added they really tried to kill Prigozhin before >The killings of Darya Dugina and Vladlen Tatarsky were inside jobs tho >Says they have killed some top brass already but refused to elaborate ZeroHedge adds: >Officials (namely Kyrylo Budanov) have admitted previously an assassination attempt back in March 2022, which was "absolutely unsuccessful, but it really happened" >Medvedev publicly called for Zelensky's "physical elimination" after the Kremlin Drone Attack >Israeli demon king Naftali Bennett almost ended the war back in 2022 but Washington blocked the attempt, Putin seemingly pledged not to target Zelensky anyways but seems that pledge is officially off since the Kremlin attack If not then probably by now due to these comments. Anti-War.com has no additional info as the fourth reading, Ski-bit-ba-bop-ba-dop-sky seems pretty belligerent imo tbh
>>51236 >Why not use archive.org instead? I'll try to remember that next time.
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Belarus can now target 90% of Poland with nukes. >Lukashenko Confirms Russian Tactical Nukes Already Being Transferred To Belarus >Despite urgent warnings from US and Western allies, Moscow is moving forward with plans to station tactical nuclear weapons in neighboring Belarus. The two longtime allies which form what they call a 'union state' signed a deal Thursday to formalize deployment of Russian nukes on Belarusian soil. All of this comes dangerously as Ukraine's cross-border sabotage attacks on Russian territory have clearly escalated. >Alarmingly for Ukraine and its NATO backers, Belarus' president Alexander Lukashenko said soon after the deal was signed that the transfer of non-strategic nuclear weapons from Russia to Belarus is already underway. >And Belarusian Defense Minister Viktor Khrenin said in Minsk alongside Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu: "Deployment of nonstrategic nuclear weapons is an effective response to the aggressive policy of countries unfriendly to us," according to regional media. >Additionally Shoigu stated that "In the context of an extremely sharp escalation of threats on the western borders of Russia and Belarus, a decision was made to take countermeasures in the military-nuclear sphere." >Starting months ago international reports said that Russian tactical nukes would soon be in Belarus, but there were conflicting reports over whether it had actually happened yet. >Additionally, as AP highlights, "Also unclear is how many nuclear weapons would be kept in Belarus. The U.S. government believes Russia has about 2,000 tactical nuclear weapons, which include bombs that can be carried by aircraft, warheads for short-range missiles and artillery rounds." >All of this was put in motion starting in late March, when Russian President Vladimir Putin first announced that Minsk requested the presence of Russian tactical nukes. According to TASS at the time, "As the Russian leader indicated, the construction of storage facilities for tactical nuclear weapons will be completed in Belarus by July 1." >"Moscow has already provided Minsk with Iskander tactical missile systems capable of carrying nuclear weapons and has helped Minsk to re-equip its military aircraft to carry specialized weapons," TASS noted in its prior reporting. "As well, Belarusian missile crews and pilots have undergone training in Russia." >NATO has called the move "dangerous and irresponsible" - while EU foreign policy chief Joseph Borrell previously said, “Belarus hosting Russian nuclear weapons would mean an irresponsible escalation & threat to European security. Belarus can still stop it, it is their choice. The EU stands ready to respond with further sanctions." Currently the EU is preparing an 11th round of anti-Russia sanctions. And so escalation moves forward a pace.
>>51240 Isn't it kinda useless to make such comparisons since Russia has Kaliningrad and has already the ability to target a good chunk of Europe with TBM/SRBM/MRBM? Nukes are stationed in Belarus purely for security standpoint imo. Russia has claimed they will no longer comply with START II / SALT agreements so this geopolitical maneuver is purely posturing and applying some pressure on Europe.
>>51232 The attack on Belgorod itself was a bum rush towards thst nuclear facility, anon. The West is bragging about it and America is pretending to be retarded (hurting international relations) when questioned about it. They want a nuclear war. Russia just won't give it to them.
>>51243 >They want a nuclear war. Russia just won't give it to them. If the US wants one that badly then they'll eventually find a way to make it happen.
>>51242 >Nukes are stationed in Belarus purely for security standpoint imo. That's why they're angry. Like a bully, anything that keeps Western Europe from waltzing around fucking kids and sacrificing the locals to Moloch is a "threat to democracy and our security" because they think they are god-kings who can do whatever they want. The elites have drank the koolaid of 50 years of Western exceptionalism without realizing the browns have caught up and they need a new schtick. >>51245 See that's the problem. The global elites want it, but normal people don't. Populism wave 1 was so intense that the global elites overplayed their hands to keep the stupid rubes in check. The "stupid rubes" are openly rebelling against their masters and just being mildly conservative isn't good enough any more so populism wave 2 will likely wipe out the laptop class and everything that comes with it in its mission to tear down the system. The elites are afraid and are retrying everything short of open warfare against their own populations to get the stupid monkeys back in check. It's not working.
Russians and Ukrainians continued their missile exchange last night. Ukraine bombed Berdiansk which is normal since it's a Russian naval staging area, but also launched missiles into Krasnodar and towards Volgograd in the Rostov oblast from Dnipro (Russian territory). Russia bombed fuel depots at Kharkiv and Dnipro in response. There was also a large shelling campaign from the Ukrainians against Donetsk last night. This seems to be in preparation for an actual offensive.
>>51243 >>51245 Russia had a no-first-use policy under the Soviets and that's still China's current policy. It's NATO's game to initiate.
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>>51246 >It's not working. Zoomers are the most socialist generation in history. It already worked.
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>>51248 Don't forget >roastie virtue signals and makes a post and video saying that some specific hospitals are overflowing with wounded Ukrainan soldier and they need help >Russians levels it to the ground few hours later
>>51250 I keep hearing that line, but Zoomers are also the first generation in a century to be more conservative on average than their parents, and it's important to keep in mind that they are also the most polarized generation in American history. A statistically significant fewer number of children are having sex despite the CDC trying to play this off: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm665152a1.htm Fewer kids are using drugs and alcohol: https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-FFR1-2016/NSDUH-FFR1-2016.htm#illicit2 41% of zoomers attend church compared to only 18% of millennials, even if Atheism is on the rise: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/dap.30174 Goldman Sachs has found zoomers are more entrepreneurially inclined and fiscally responsible: https://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-chart-of-the-generations-and-gen-z-2015-12 As a general trend Gen Z is "more liberal" than their predecessors, but the liberal elements of Gen Z are in a mass die-off phase. When you read between the lines it's clear that socialists aren't having kids (and are increasingly unable to have yours if home schooling numbers are anything to go off of). Just running the basic numbers of birthrates the country will be far-right Christian Conservative within 10-20 years and leftists will be too old/too dead to stop this trend as a result of their own me-first agenda. You should be seeing a mass shift towards being more liberal but instead we're seeing a logarithmic cut-off that is reverting in many areas because leftists keep killing and sterilizing their own kids.
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>>51251 Pft. Nice.
>>51249 >Russia has no plans to use nuclear weapons in connection with the situation around Ukraine, there have been no changes in doctrinal approaches to this issue, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said. I wish a nigga would.
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>>51251 Dead men need no medical care.
Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov is looking to change gun-laws for local volunteer self-defence units in Belgrad Oblast. I never heard of any local self-defense units , are these militia groups or what?
>>51251 damn that's cold
>>51256 Russia has loose laws about what you can own, but ultra-strict laws about how you use them. Handguns have to be stored at a gun club which is already 50% of the way to being militia units in Russia and rifles/shotguns have to be stored unloaded in a locked case if you wish to carry them outside of your home except when outside of city limits for hunting purposes. Self-defense laws are stand your ground with a caveat that says you have to "not have time to consider the consequences to body or life of the assailant," hence why so many Russians own tire irons and baseball bats which you CAN stand your ground with without much fear of legal repercussion since you presumably wouldn't have "time" to unlock your firearm case and load the weapon if you were under immediate threat (outside of home invasions where you can have your rifle loaded next to the bed and it's A-OK). I imagine the changes would be less about forming militia groups and more about making it legal to carry around and defend yourself with the existing firearms that Russians already have laying around at home/at the gun club, with such militia groups being more equivalent to "neighborhood watch" groups that would now be authorized to use firearms against suspicious individuals. Honestly it's the cheapest option and fits in with the Russian stereotype of just letting people be responsible for themselves. Russians are already culturally used to defending themselves to the death since if the police have to step in to a violent altercation everyone is getting shot or black bagged.
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>>51240 Are you ready, stalker?
>>51238 I see thanks Strelok. So it seems to me that they are not only openly admitting to terrorist plots, they're flatly bragging about it. I had felt that some shard of the former Ukraine would still stand after this. But if Greater Jerusalem is so boastful, then let it all fall there if it has to. Thanks again.
>>51251 Kek, I wanna habeeb, but not likely IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyuhaoV-FQ Ukraine posted trailer of the upcoming offensive. From Zaluzhnys profile. Aprox. translation, shamelessly stolen from 4cuck: >"Bless our determined offensive!". >Ukraine, our native land-mother, >Lord, our heavenly father, >Bless us! >I'm going to destroy >enemies of the native land, >murderers of my brothers >the rapists of my sisters. >Let my hand be firm, >to kill enemies! >Let my eye be clear >to kill enemies! >Let my weapon strike true >to kill enemies! >Let my will be steel, >to kill enemies! >Ukraine, native land-mother, >>Lord, our heavenly father, >>Bless us! >Our decisive attack! >Our holy revenge! >Our holy victory!
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>>51280 What the fuck. t. troglodyte
>>51281 https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=hUyuhaoV-FQ https://redirect.invidious.io/ Don't tell me that you are not familiar with the invidious frontend.
>>51251 WE DID IT REDDIT
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>>51278 >delayed multiple times >begs more money and stuff to get it done >makes an overproduced trailer for a supposed offensive >still has jackshit gains to show for after all that gibs >lost a strategic PR loss when they lost a bombed out city that they believed as 'strategically important' This shit is a fucking comedy movie, and i hope they'll hit a roadblock and give up the offensive for the rest of the year. >>51251 I swear to Allah SWT, that these gullible children can't do anything beyond 'spreading awareness' of it. >>51240 Damn, sounds scary but honestly, i think it's just a bluff. Poutine isn't as demented as Old Joe to nuke a country, even if it's a country that has no nukes whatsoever. It's only there as a deterrence against NATO, and they're still as scared of them since the 1960s .
>>51213 >4th webm Where did they even get shot from? They all dropped at the same time but I can't tell whether it was from above, from outside or from downstairs.
>>51282 I dont. I try not to burden my soul with modern technology aka. electric jew. >>51285 I think it was a grenade
>>51284 >i think it's just a bluff. Poutine isn't as demented as Old Joe to nuke a country It's less so a bluff and moreso Russian intelligence had credible information to believe NATO (Poland) was going to launch an attack on Belarus and would have enough casus belli to keep Russia out of the conflict directly, so by giving Belarus nukes Poutine sends a clear signal that he's not putting up with that crap.
>>51293 >Muh Poland Are the polacks stupid enough to try and form Intermarium 2.0? Absent NATO intervention there's not likely a miracle at the Vistula to save them this time and the Ruskies have nukes. I can't wait to see them try and make Kalingrad Królewiec again and get absolutely clowned on with a nuke shot straight at Elbląg.
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>>51294 >Are the polacks stupid enough to try and form Intermarium 2.0? >Are the polacks stupid enough
Seems the front has gone silent or at least nobody is talking. Civilian reports show explosions all along the front lines. Ukrainian MOD says there has been a mass-shelling of virtually every single city and town within Russian artillery range. Reports of Russia incrementally taking back territory they lost near Avdiivka.
>>51299 >Seems the front has gone silent or at least nobody is talking. Ukraine must be really getting hit hard and onesidedly atm then.
>>51299 >gone silent Certainly out-of-band for the corporate-controlled media. Maybe the natto leadership has finally wised up about revealing their hand? Or maybe there are too few Russian speaking lads for them to send into the new meat grinders? Either way, this can't be good optics for the Jews.
>>51303 >3rd video Is this part of some kind of ad campaign Strelok?
>>51141 He has caged around 65,000 people since the supression of civil rights began. While effective in the short term, the government has been unable to improve the economy and people are still leaving that shithole in big numbers >>51146 Don't forget the part where "leftists" encourage foreigners to move into the shithole capital in order for it to be gentrified while the complain about it. >>51165 Fucking kek, next week they'll reshoot star wars and make Vader's helmet look like am ushanka >>51252 Why wouldn't zoomers become conservative? The elites went balls to the wall with their propaganda in a very short time, too short for any indoctrination to overcome the natural tendencies of human beings. Not only will birthrates return to high numbers but many of the so called liberal ideas will be set, or hopefully, pushed back to late 90s early 2000s.
>>51285 >>51286 Probably someone up above the stairs out of the view of the GoPro, there's no way a grenade could've exploded without leaving any debris. >>51305 >He has caged around 65,000 people since the supression of civil rights began. While effective in the short term, the government has been unable to improve the economy and people are still leaving that shithole in big numbers Aren't these the same numbskulls who legalized and put alot of their tiny currency to Bitcoin? That alone should speak for their intelligence. Although i must say that these gang round ups and gang eliminations are justified and might i call based. Thanks to how small they are, they're easily targeted and destroyed. And nobody likes Drugs, Drugs are a cancer to society and these gangbangers deserve all of it.
>>51312 >Aren't these the same numbskulls who legalized and put alot of their tiny currency to Bitcoin? Yes, they are trying to make bitcoin the official currency. it was a way to stick it up to Uncle Sam and power up their economy, but it's Latin America so in reality it's just money laundering scheme. >Thanks to how small they are, they're easily targeted and destroyed. The entire strategy works mostly because the entire country is around 6 million people. An attempt to crack down on gangs in bigger countries would fail miserably, just look at the America or Mexico. They ultimately resort to legalizing drugs cuz muh body much choice.
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>“Russians are dying. Best money we've ever spend.” (c) US Senator Lindsey Graham at a meeting with Vladimir Zelensky Lmao, they're not even pretending anymore. At least they're starting to come out with their true intentions, for which I respect them much more than hammering a lie nobody believes. West doesn't give a shit about Ukraine just like USA didn't give a shit about West Germany in Cold War and would have used it as a nuclear speedbump and let it become irradiated buffer zone. If Russia wins this war imagine the mood of Ukrainan people. To have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people and billions of dollars of economy on vague promises, only for them to be much worse off than accepting Russias demands in the first place.
>>51126 ruskie lady journalist is cute
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>>51314 >To have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people and billions of dollars of economy on vague promises, only for them to be much worse off than accepting Russias demands in the first place. That basically sums up Ukraine's history for the last 300 years to be honest. Ukraine is like the rainy coastal parts of Africa; it is the perfect environment to thrive as a civilization and become a major power between resources, wealth, trade routes, and natural borders/barriers, but the people (or at least leaders) living there are fucking retarded and squander their wealth on corruption and exports turning them into an impoverished shit hole leading to other powers stepping in and utilizing their wealth for them.
Russia launched one of the biggest drone strikes on Kiev to date (54 drones). Ukrainians are going to try to cut the supply line from Klischivka to Bakhmut. Ukraine trying to take positions North of Bakhmut but they can't because of open fields acting as killing fields. I suppose this is the "offensive" since Ukraine is pushing forward along the front lines in all directions and getting shelled in all directions.
>>51314 >To have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people and billions of dollars of economy on vague promises, only for them to be much worse off than accepting Russias demands in the first place. War doesn't work like that, people don't care if it's "better to accept the demands" of the enemy. They will fight until they break, that's how it's always been since the dawn of time. From the locals' perspective the most barren, lifeless, useless piece of dry land has more value than thousands of human lives. You don't just give away your land because it's "better" than dying for it. Sure from our perspective Ukraine may be a NATO dog and their efforts ultimately futile, but from their perspective it's their duty to fight for every last inch of dirt.
>>51320 It's really a shame because it's a war and invasion that never had to happen to start with and only happened because the Ukrainian people made bad political decisions. It was largely forced on them of course, but they didn't push back. They just followed right along cheering and elected a clown and now they are going to fucking lose their lives, land, freedom, and everything.
>>51320 Sure, but the current results are the Kievan regime who don't represent the people of Ukraine. Ukraine's parliament is not only first-past-the-post but also simple-majority of a single body for passing legislation. If you are the minority party in Ukraine you literally have no rights and get treated as second class citizens. Russian interference (Minsk) was meant to federalize/Republicanize Ukraine in such a way that the minority parties would have veto power making that line of thinking possible, but Ukrainian political class would not allow that. Everyone East of the Dniepr and South of Dnipro doesn't give a shit if they are part of the Russian Federation or part of Ukraine. They just want political representation in whichever system happens to exist and that they belong to. That's why conscription was primarily from "separatist regions" or of minorities in border regions that wanted no part in this conflict, and why this war has only started to turn sour when Kiev started conscripting from Kiev and Lviv seriously in the last few months, drawing from their own voterbase instead of from second-class citizens. The entire Ukrainian Kherson offensive was Ukraine systematically genociding their ethnic Hungarian and Moldovan populations so that they would stop raising a fuss, which is why Russia placed such a heavy emphasis on retreat and taking PoWs. Same with the Luhansk front. It's also why Russia has gotten much more bloody recently since they are now fighting Ukrainians and Poles proper instead of ethnic minorities who can no longer make up the bulk of conscripts. Kiev represents a plurality of Ukrainians but by no means represents a majority. The majority wanted peace (federalization of the Kievan government), and economic ties with Russia, and they were bloodily stamped out and systematically persecuted for the last decade.
>>51312 >Thanks to how small they are, they're easily targeted and destroyed What boggles me is that the MS-13 was known as a hardcore gang bordering a crime militia except they all looked like butt ugly gangbangers, here in Mexico around the mid-00's it took all the hitmen squads of most cartels (except the Zetas because they were ZOG's cartel) to get rid of them. Something happened that the vast majority of gangbangers in Salvador are not up to scratch to random dudes holed up here in small prisons. Perhaps their generational successors were teddy bears compared to them or like rumor says the cool dudes got employed here and subsequently went calmer or got shot in the hundreds of shootouts that have happened. Turncoat MS-13 henchmen were considered one of the toughest cartel mercenaries out there along with rogue Kaibiles and the mythical tale of some taliban members training local hitmen for explosives and mountain warfare, which in theory is how Sinaloa Cartel learned the way of the secret cave warehouses and high-altitude RPG shots against helicopters. But at the end of the day it might happen again, Salvadorian Civil War vets were particularly tough against the MS-13 (the cheese graters) and that's why they tried to expand operations up north, with this mess i have no doubt in my mind a bunch of those wholesome migrant caravans that go to America have assassins and drug smuggler vets in their files. >>51313 >it's just money laundering scheme I think also in part because they wanted that wacky planned city with the all-digital currency and tech hub dreams, which in theory can work decently just like communism but the problem is these systems are made for robots/perfect citizens in mind, the spirit of the latin american person without nigger genes has a crucial component in the way of bartering/trading and penny saving, the moment you eliminate those aspects in society is the moment you have complete societal and cultural chaos. Or perhaps he wanted to make that city to offload all the zoomers, homosexuals, and glued-cellphone kids from other cities which in that case sounds awesome as long as they don't have many voting rights.
>>51319 Sounds like some things are picking up again.
>>51321 >the Ukrainian people CIA Glowniggers made bad political decisions a coup in 2014, then the (((Globohomo))) puppeteered rejections of treaties, etc., through their clown puppet. FTFY Strelok
>>51327 There's also what's his name the banking oligarch too. He has his own agenda and power base even if the CIA and state department used him for the money laundering bit.
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>>51328 He was under corruption charge investigations back in February but I guess the slimy eel got out. Fun fact: A court made an "exception" for his oil company while suing basically everyone in the oil industry for stealing oil out of fields they weren't allowed to operate on, and following the decision the London courts are suing Ukraine and his oil company was temporarily transferred to ARMA. That was about 3-4 weeks ago. Following that incident, Kolomoisky has said that he and all of his associates refuse to testify in his defense or at all in an upcoming London court hearing about misappropriation of bank funds so it sounds like the fat Jew is at war with London now.
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>>51323 >the cheese graters Is.. is that what I think it means?
>>51333 I don't know if it means what you think it means, but I only just learned *four years after the fact** that the artist behind the cheesegrater image deleted his galleries, issued a takedown notice to e621, and tried to purge his legacy from the internet. That's even bigger faggotry than making the image in the first place.
>>51305 >too short for any indoctrination to overcome the natural tendencies of human beings That's only if their degeneracy is punished. Instead the cancer has been allowed to metastasize, and now you have legions of retarded brown faggots raising the next generation of retarded brown faggots. The shit will hit the fan like Hemingway described bankruptcy.
So Big E Money got reelected in the former territories of the Byzantine Empire. How will this affect the progress of the war?
>>51336 Presumably not much, but now that the Russians don't have to be as cautious they might become a bit more hostile. It would be in Russia's best interests to let Ukraine bomb the pipeline as that would give Turkey an excuse to reopen sea traffic and let the Russians move in their navy proper. That being a pipe dream, I expect the grain deal will soon fall through or Russia will otherwise retaliate since they don't have to worry about keeping the Roach in power. Erdogan is not pro-Russian, but he is pragmatic and will be pro-Russian if it suits him.
>>51336 >Former Byzantine Empire Say it like what it is, Former Ottoman Empire Also, Erdogan won't be going Pro-Russia anytime soon when he knows that he's going to need that EU bucks to fix his leaking boat of an economy policy that is modern Turkey. Since the NATO club has more money, then guess which side he'll go with. >>51322 >Kiev represents a plurality of Ukrainians but by no means represents a majority. The majority wanted peace (federalization of the Kievan government), and economic ties with Russia, and they were bloodily stamped out and systematically persecuted for the last decade. Alas as of right now, all of them who supported Russia has already been deported, executed (as supposed traitors), or moved to Russian-Friendly territories. What's more, the government and the rest of the world have salted the earth when it comes to having any kind of peaceful coexistence with Russia, and i'd wager that Ukraine of today are willing to die over having to co-operate with Russia. This scar will also last for generations at the very least, and will possibly never come back to what it was pre-2014.
>>51339 > EU bucks You'd be more likely to get China into NATO than Turkey into the EU.
'Russian spy' whale spotted off Swedish coast https://archive.ph/Q1g1g >A beluga whale previously accused of spying for the Russian navy was seen swimming near the Swedish coast on Sunday. The several-metre-long white whale was first sited a few years ago wearing a camera harness near Norway, fuelling suspicions it was being used for espionage. It has since been nicknamed Hvaldimir, combining the words hval (whale in Norwegian) and the common Russian first name Vladimir. When first spotted in 2019, the whale's harness was fitted with a base for a small camera with "Equipment St. Peterburg" printed on the plastic strap. The biologists who found Hvaldimir were able to remove the harness fixed around his head. The Norwegian Directorate of Fisheries speculated at the time the whale had escaped from an enclosure where it was possibly trained by the Russian Navy since it was accustomed to human company and would approach ships.
>>51346 Literally C&C tier
>>51346 Loop it through Jones
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Ukraine decided to sanction Iran for the next 50 years for supporting Russia. Water pipelines near Dnipro have become damaged from missile strikes and shelling. Ukraine shelling Belgorod region and took out a private sector gas station. Ukraine claiming they've shot down dozens of hypersonic shovels. Russia chose to forego launching some missiles at the front lines to launch them at Kiev instead. Slava Spaghettini
>>51185 >After May 28th Russia can tell Ukraine to go fuck itself six ways to Sunday Erdogan won
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>>51333 >is that what I think it means? Well i am not sure but i was referring to the old gangbanger/cartel lore story about why some foreign eses have horrible scars akin to a leper victim, seems that old vets from the Salvadorian Civil War who went on to become police members dealt with some MS-13 in a different way: If they felt that the caught ones had hope of becoming rehabilitated (or they promised such) they treated them benevolently but with the condition of taking off their tattoos, because they didn't have the right tools they would then sit them in a comfy chair, give them a nice cold 5-galon drink in a couple of go's and cheese grate their shit up until nothing was left from the ink. Then they would kick them out onto the streets to get his free healthcare, many supposedly survived the initial infection problems i suppose and hence why the legend is so spread around, oddly enough i recall reading articles about this and even photos as bad as they looked but it seems since Bukele entered there's a flood of other shit and the old stuff got drowned. >>51334 W-what are those images?
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There was a big drone raid on Moscow today. Russians report 23 drones were detected, out of which 2 fell on their own, 3 struck random apartment buildings and houses and the rest were either intercepted by AA or suppressed by EW. Visual confirmation of UJ-22 type being used. Other than that, Russians hit some airport in Dnepropetrovsk iirc, allegedly they hit Storm Shadow storage. The strike was delivered after Ukrainians issued a postage stamp with a picture of SU-24 with Storm Shadow as payload as well as emblem of the air group that used them. Russians connected the dots. The frontline remains relatively static barring some minor Russian gains at Kremmena-Svatovo front
>>51361 Why are you central americans so violent?
>>51362 >Russians connected the dots. If the Ukrainian government wasn't so dedicated to theatrics to the point of being retarded I'd insist this was some big brain 4d chess deception at work. >>51363 Spanish blood.
>>51364 It's like both sides have been trying to one up each other in retardness department. At least Ukraine side has been dominating in cringe department.
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>>51362 >There was a big drone raid Dark memories coming in >>51363 Are you trying to derail even more the thread with the topic of spaniard commie insurgents raping nuns and shooting saints in the Spanish civil war? the ETA commie hijack operations? the use of blowtorchs by the Cuerpo General de Policia? the whole bull sports enchilada? gallego and canarian knife games? come on Venancio, be a buddy >you central american Not my case pal :^) but the redskin genes do make for seemingly senseless fight-or-flight responses in both cases
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>>51363 >Why are you central americans so violent? >said the person whose ancestors kicked the Moors out of Iberia, Kicked the Ottoman navy in the teeth, razed the Aztecs, sacked the Incas, and reigned the new world for a short while before the British ruined everything Gee, i wonder why? >>51362 >Other than that, Russians hit some airport in Dnepropetrovsk iirc, allegedly they hit Storm Shadow storage. The strike was delivered after Ukrainians issued a postage stamp with a picture of SU-24 with Storm Shadow as payload as well as emblem of the air group that used them. Russians connected the dots. Pretty sure the Ukies would be smart enough to move their new 'wunderwaffen' but the fact that they did send a postcard in the first place? Wew lad >>51366 >Dark memories coming in For some reason, i aced that mission as a 8 year old lad with a dinky PS2 controller. Never understood why so many people have problems with it. The next mission's even harder imo.
So apparently, the reason why was Moscow attacked today with drones was a response for Russia striking Ukrainan 'Decision making centers' few days ago. >“We have already talked about the possibilities of striking at decision-making centers. Of course, the military intelligence headquarters of Ukraine, which was hit two or three days ago, also belongs to this category,” Putin said. Honestly, the attack on Moscow did barely any damage, just struck a few random buildings in exchange for few dozen medium drones which are far more expensive than the damage to facades they caused. I guess you can always spin it as a propaganda victory for Ukraine.
>>51363 >>51366 >>51367 There's a difference, Spain knows plenty of war and killing, but the love of death and pain from Central Americans, including Mexico is on par with the mongols. Not like there's much happening on the war at hand not to speak of other topics, but whatever.
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>>51367 First PS2 black label version had longer times and the fuel meter also ran faster, the red label boxes without the hot coffee data made them easier so there's that. It's a mix, on PC many hated doing the RC missions due to driving with WASD, on PS2 due to being naturally harder. I played on Xbox so they were ok, racing with the monster truck seemed harder for me due to so many bumps. >why so many people have problems with it Scrubs existed in every era >>51370 >the love of death and pain There's love in enjoyment and what the spaniard commies did in the Civil War was something else which could be compared to the Yugo Wars, and let's recall the first and one of the most famous torture methods in the Americas which the spanish conquistadores used or moor mercenaries if we believe most of the forces were mutts driven out from the Demoronizacion commanded by actual spaniards which was feet burning in slow heat, often until the legs cooked then cutting them out up to the knee. Not saying spaniards are worse or even on par in terms of savagery but come on now, their brutality was well known and the descendants even indulged in caza de cabelleras which was either a revenge custom or an own thing against injuns as it was literally scalping. The only euros who were not savages in the new world as far as i recall were the germans and the northern italians due to their pragmatic nature, would like to say the dutch but those have their own little stories down in the Amazons and Caribbeans. And perhaps the french because they have this trait of intermingling and committing bodily fluid-related acts with everything that doesn't look european.
>>51362 These are all limited use arms. so is this Ukraine's battle of the bulge?
>>51371 Dude, your ancestors had state ran human sacrifices by the thousands in the same day for hundreds of years, your love of blood goes further and deeper than conquistadors
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>>51371 >And perhaps the french because they have this trait of intermingling and committing bodily fluid-related acts with everything that doesn't look european. To be fair, we did our fair bit of that too out there.
Tbf I associate Spanish colonisation with fucking everyone that submitted to their rule. They never quite produced a Haiti to be fair but the got close in places like Peru where they had state mandated race mixing post-independence that lead directly to a very hostile mestizo population using the indians like a bat against anyone whiter than the colour of coffee.
Ukraine arrested about 50 people for videotaping buildings in Kiev getting bombed. Looks like the Ukrainians took a little 100 meter forest near Bakhmut which is gonna become a heavy weapons staging ground. As was pointed out Ukraine drone bombed Moscow. Russian MoD is claiming there were only a eight drones and they used a radio signal to change the target of the drones which is why they struck random buildings and fields instead of command centers. Civilian reports are that there were about 25 drones which hit random targets. Ukrainian intelligence is pretty happy about civilians videotaping anti-air positions in Moscow. Russian civilians are pretty angry that Russia isn't launching a campaign in Kharkiv to take out the airbase they've triangulated as doing the launching, but realistically these drones are causing less damage/loss of life than the average number of murders + car accidents in Moscow every day so it's hard to blame the Russian MoD for not giving two shits. >>51369 >which are far more expensive than the damage to facades they caused. Dima seems to think these are cheap domestically produced models rather than the expensive Bri'ish ones. Implication is quantity over quality to try and outpace missile defense systems Hamas-style. Ukraine is insisting that the terrorist attacks will continue unabated. They really want to get labelled a terrorist organization for some reason.
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>>51375 Perhaps if the frogs actually fucked enough the niggers Haití would be a french Dominican Republic. Still shitholly, but not the literal Africa in the Caribbean-tier that is today. Or better yet, not bring niggers to begin with.
>>51377 I think every colonial power is guilty of shipping nigger to the new world unfortunately.
>>51378 I know, my remark was for all the empires there.
>>51370 >spaniard >saying mexicans are on par with the mongols Can't make this shit up lmao.
>>51380 Maybe I'm the only one here that has heard from cartel violence and aztec human sacrifices
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>>51376 > Looks like the Ukrainians took a little 100 meter forest near Bakhmut which is gonna become a heavy weapons staging ground >inb4 it gets burned down.
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>>51373 >your ancestors You are sadly running on the supposition i am from the south of Mexico: I am not, so invalid argument there mister, i have not and will not defend that bunch. Try again after checking a map. >your love of blood goes further and deeper than conquistadors This is true tho, cannot deny that. Perhaps the hunter-gatherer primal genes being closer in evolution while Euros and some Asians having that farther away in their code. >>51374 At least there was rules and castes to make things organized, the french had the livestock run amok to the point of being killed by them in Haiti. In the US some french forgot they were french and were running around thinking they were injuns, growing long hair and killing buffalo after a while. The whole cajun thing is also another story but won't mess with that as i don't have the appropriate info on what happened. >>51377 >Still shitholly, but not the literal Africa You need many generations of blanda upp and a good education system to get rid of the jungle in the negro's code. I don't think that today they would've done something of importance aside from importing euros to keep cleaning themselves often like what Trujillo unironically wanted. >not bring niggers to begin with Why was it so hard for Euros to pick their own produce, makes no sense to me, niggers were still too wild to be domesticated like a dog or a horse would, these needed thousands of years. >>51378 I think Spain sinned way, way less in that aspect than the Portuguese or the Anglo, they at least tried with christian missionaries to do it the easy way and succeeded in some parts. >>51382 Okay i'll stop
>>51372 I don't know man, I think this war is gonna drag on. After the initial blitz this conflict has degraded into anemic force vs malleable object. As long as west keeps pumping money and arms. >>51376 >Russian MoD is claiming there were only a eight drones Didn't they update their claims and later up the count to 32? >Dima seems to think these are cheap domestically produced models rather than the expensive Bri'ish ones They used UJ-22, which ,to my knowledge is actually military grade reco drone and not some homebrewed toaster with wings. That being said I won't be surprised if they used mixture of various quality drones.
So apparently the US keeps stalling in providing F-16's to Bulgaria after they shipped off all the Mig-29's to Ukraine. So I guess Bulgaria is now demilitarized (partially) again thanks to blind acceptance of zog imperial interests.
>>51362 >The strike was delivered after Ukrainians issued a postage stamp with a picture of SU-24 with Storm Shadow as payload as well as emblem of the air group that used them. Russians connected the dots. Fucking wew.
>>51385 The arms provided by the west are several orders of magnitude lower then what would be actually required to stave off the horde. We are approaching a breaking point for Ukraine, the war will not last longer then another year. >>51388 Imagine how expensive these stamps will be.
>>51369 >Honestly, the attack on Moscow did barely any damage, just struck a few random buildings This is a naive take. These attacks aimed to disrupt important command and control functions a gopnik tusovka in the stairwells of each building. >>51376 >Russian civilians are pretty angry that Russia isn't launching a campaign in Kharkiv to take out the airbase they've triangulated as doing the launching I assume these civilians went straight to the nearest army recruiting center after airing their grievances. >>51376 >Implication is quantity over quality to try and outpace missile defense systems Hamas-style. Can they really tho? Especially considering these drones can be taken out by EW measures w/o wasting missiles. >>51385 >They used UJ-22, which ,to my knowledge is actually military grade reco drone and not some homebrewed toaster with wings. So, a microwave with wings then?
>>51376 >used a radio signal to change the target of the drones Lol are you some kind of glownigger gaslighter, or just an ESL? ECM is not 'retargeting'.
>>51387 >So I guess Bulgaria is now demilitarized (partially) again thanks to blind acceptance of zog imperial interests. Pottery.
>>51388 >>51387 >muh imperial Don't use that sjw language, to call any modern country anything somewhat close to something from the old world is insulting to your ancestors and extreme praise towards your new rulers.
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>>51387 Bulgaria deserves it for abandoning the US Civilian market and letting the (((FIME))) Group handle what little still trickles in.
>>51376 >arrested for videotaping buildings getting bombed No fun allowed >>51392 >So, a microwave with wings then? Literal microwave with wheels did a small number on american radars when used by Yugo forces in the 90's, not a bad idea but it could be assumed ruskies should know better than fall for that.
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>>51370 >including Mexico is on par with the mongols Wouldn't want it any other way, anonkun. In other news, there is a lycoris for best girl.
>>51397 Norman Rockwell paintings are excellent.
ZZZP CCCP .
The yuri olefirenko warship has been allegedly shot down and sank to bottom of the ocean claimed Russian MOD, Ukraine in response has been shelling border towns in the Belograd and Kursk regions
The Russians started evacuating all children from Belgorod.
>>51404 >Blow up grain deal >Act surprised when Russia blows up your warships that were protected by the grain deal Looks like Russians don't care now that the roach has been reelected. >>51405 I thought they evacuated all non-essential personnel four months ago wtf Russia. Better late than never I guess. Can't have them raping kids unless it's domestic when the violence spills over again.
>>51405 What's the source on that? There's a possibility of it being another ukro psyop.
>>51407 >Looks like Russians don't care now that the roach has been reelected. Do you think they'll make much of an investment to clear the sea of them, now that things are changed? Any chance that roaches will back down on the 'muh roach strait' and allow the Russians back thru? I don't even recall why they're blocking them now lol.
>>51405 I read a rumor that ukrops shelled child shelter in Belgorod because of >>51404 . On international child day. It is too good of a propaganda to be true though, probably.
>>51392 >So, a microwave with wings then? There's speculation that the drone attack also had the objective to bait out Russian AA locations. To what end, I don't know, it's not like Ukraine can conduct concentrated manned air strike on Moscow.
>>51410 Russians will probably start targeting Odessan ports, but that's about it. >Why are they blocking them? It's an old-ass treaty that everyone agreed to not allow naval forces into the Black Sea if two countries bordering the sea are at war to prevent an international incident.
>>51414 Jesus fuck I am now really scared about that nato aeriel exercises.
>>51416 >They're even calling it AD23 >Referencing Christ and the start of the modern era >After all the DEI crap the last couple years >After wokeism has become a religion They're gonna invade Russia, aren't they?
>>51414 >There's speculation that the drone attack also had the objective to bait out Russian AA locations. If it was a probing attack where are the followup waves? Sounds kinda copey along the lines of "patriot destroys kinzhal" (because kinzhal smashed into the battery). My guess is hohols got cocky after that first drone hit the kremlin and went for a larger attack. >>51416 >nato aeriel exercises. I would guess Pantsirs did most of the work against the airborne kitchen appliances, not sure how useful it is since natto should be more interested in S-300/Tor/Buk tiers of AA for what they might do.
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the someone blew up the friendship bridge and the The Three Sisters Monument where the Ukraine belrus and Russia all intersect. North of Senkivka Ukraine. Both sides are pointing fingers on who did it.
>>51419 Frenship ended with the Ukraine. Now Belarus is union state.
>>51419 If it was the Russian or Belarusian side of the bridge I'd say it was Ukraine but that's the Ukrainian side of the friendship bridge so it could have been either party. >>51420 Not until Lukashenko dies.
>>51419 Fuck friendship friendship is for pussies
>>51419 >The Three Sisters Monument Post Gee I wonder who could be behind it? | | |> |3 | |
>>51399 >In other news, there is a lycoris for best girl. Thanks for the heads up.
>>51424 Penis and balls?
US peacekeeping forces spotted with heavy presence guarding administrative buildings in Kosovo. NATO secretary general has allegedly declared that Ukraine will be inducted by unanimous decision (presumably in the near future). Ukrainian little green men are mustering at the Belgorod border again. Reports of massive damage to Kievan infrastructure from missile strikes despite Ukrainian claims that they are shooting down 350% of missiles. Massive shelling campaign of the entire front line continues.
>>51427 How does inducting Ukraine change anything? Wouldn't any further NATO involvement be a third world war, in which case, why not just do it straight away?
>>51427 >>51428 Won't that just make Russia try an go all out and crush Ukraine before that happens?
>>51429 That would seem a sensible alternative, humanly-speaking. Certainly less expensive in the long run AFAICT.
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>>51425 >mfw >>51428 >why not just do it straight away? Can they afford doing WWIII?
>>51399 >>51425 >>51443 Where? It's not in lists I've seen, nothing comes up searching HuggingFace, and Civitai's cucked so there's no point even checking there.
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Why are you guys always killing each other?
>>51418 >If it was a probing attack where are the followup waves? I think this is one off kind of deal, or at least very rare occurrence. This kinds of stunts are way too expensive to justify pitiful amount of damage they caused. The one time it could have had an actual impact was on Victory Day Parade. >>51446 >Why are you guys always killing each other? It's a time honored Slavic tradition.
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>>51451 >What happened?
>>51427 >NATO secretary general has allegedly declared that Ukraine will be inducted by unanimous decision (presumably in the near future). I doubt Ukraine will ever be a full fledged member, they'd never be allowed to invoke article 5. Best they can hope for is to become a forward base/tripwire. Reminder they're still trying to sort out this shit show: >Stoltenberg: I will also travel to Ankara in the near future to continue to address how we can ensure the fastest possible accession of Sweden ...and Turkish elections are now done, kek. >>51443 >Can they afford doing WWIII? Printer go burrrrr. Better question is: can they afford not to? >>51447 >It's a time honored Slavic tradition. Gotta thin the herd to keep bloodlines strong.
>>51452 It is just normalfags being normalfags.
>>51453 >Printer go burrrrr That seems like a grand way towards hyperinflation. I mean we're already on the way there so I can't imagine accelerating the whole process by finally kicking the debt markets teeth in is going to be productive.
>>51456 I mean if we're going there anyway why not in cammo style with a nuclear bang?
No more Ukrainian citizens in Russian Territory anymore, this will be illegal. The Russians are expediting Russian passports and citizenship in Artyemovsk. I think the Russians learnt their lesson in Kherson and Zaporizhia where they allowed Ukrainian citizens keep their Ukrainian documents while living in Russian Territory, Too much spies and partisan attacks
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>>51464 >have Ukrainian citizens in your newly acquired territory >suspect they may be spies >give them a piece of paper that allows them to move freely through your country I don't think Putin has thought this through
>>51466 Not to mention it's a free pass for Ukraine to wash its hands of any internal attacks in Russia, because now they're domestic attacks by discontented Russians instead of being Ukrainians.
>>51466 >>51467 If they are Russian citizens they can be handled by the Russian legal system (bag and tag) instead of within the military legal system as a foreign national. It's illegal to hold Russian citizenship in Ukraine so they can't flee if they are spies. It's a net positive.
>>51467 It also gives them a chance to claim attacks that don't necessarily occurred or inflate the number of victims, I doubt the total of Ukrainians now under Russian rule can be known with much certainty. >>51468 why bother with bagging and tagging in the middle of a warzone? Shoot them, claim they were combatants.
>>51470 Because these incidents don't happen in the middle of a war zone. Despite the shelling Donetsk has active markets and funding as an example.
>>51466 Presumably they will vet them and if found lacking will deport them. At least that would be the reasonable way of going about it.
>>51468 >It's illegal to hold Russian citizenship in Ukraine so they can't flee if they are spies. >Go kill Russians, Holol, but you can't come back in when you're finished -- even with a high-score. OK? Sure you've thought this through yet, Strelok?
>>51477 I have thought this through. Forcing Hohols to hold Russian citizenship is a net positive for the Russian Federation because they can then label any war-like acts as domestic terrorism (and use counter-terrorism forces to stop them instead of the army proper) and it makes it so the Ukrainians can't pull this "Russian foreign legion" shit. I understand anon has never particularly cared about the whole foreign vs domestic issue in waaaaagh but there are net benefits in doing this since it lets you distribute different otherwise unaccessible resources to reducing the Ukrainian opposition while equally forcing those Ukrainians still in the territory who refuse to assimilate to either flee the country or forcefully assimilate. There's a logic to the whole thing from a "social engineering" perspective.
>>51479 Conversely it allows the Ukrainians to disavow any knowledge of spies while perpetuating the idea that Russians are rebelling. At the very least it means domestic issues and lower moral when the population thinks it is being split into civil war.
>>51451 I don't understand, what's wrong with it?
All quiet on the Ukraine front?
>>51480 >At the very least it means domestic issues and lower moral when the population thinks it is being split into civil war. Which certainly seems to serve Greater Jerusalem's agendas here. Why the Ukrainians ever agreed to their psychotic death cult is beyond my understanding, but they clearly have. Ehh, at this point let it play out to the last drop of Ukrop blood I guess.
So. >There was another attempt at raid within Russian borders today and yesterday, this time it was stopped much sooner, OSINT puts UAF advance at little under 200m from border before losing two tanks and rolling back. >active combat in Belgorod border region, so far UAF was not able to penetrate in depth, shelling of border settlements continues >Daily cruise missiles administered to Ukraine >Wagner has been rotated to field camps where they will regroup and reorganize, rumor has it they'll be put back on combat duty when they're done resting >Prigozhin last seen setting up tents with Wagner grunts on field camps and taking combat debriefs >Akhmat and Wagner are having a heated dispute
>>51466 Russia has an internal passport system, you are not free to move between the various republics without approval from the government and appropriate documentation.
>>51487 The fact that no one else in the thread noted this and continued discussion as if it were a real possibility shows how retarded nu-/k/ is.
>>51487 This applies only to the autonomous republics or also to the oblasts and territories too? Because if it is the former they could still break havoc upon a lot of Russia, at least the Kherson and Zaporizhia hohols, as those places were given oblasts status.
>>51487 That is not true you retard, the Russian internal passport just works as an ID, containing information on the person's identity and place of residence.
>>51486 Don't forget the (((Zelensky))) finally announced that the """"""""Spring"""""" Counter-Offensive is going to happen soon guys!!
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>>51487 Approval is given for anything as simple as "I have a job offer" or "I've got family there" though. The federation's internal transportation system is very loose and fast. The issue only really comes up when poor people from the outlying regions want to move to Moscow and don't have the money or job offer to afford to actually move to Moscow since they don't want homeless running about willy nilly (and poor people get around this by joining the military). Technically neither does the USA, the states just defer that privilege to the federal government to avoid interstate commerce lawsuits. >>>/k/51489 >"Hurr durr everyone is retarded except me because I'm a smarty McSmartFace oh how the mighty have fallen" Yeah sure, whatever retard. 4/10 for getting me to respond to you being retarded. >>51490 Because everyone has family everywhere and job offers are aplenty in Russia (outside the cities), it really only applies to the autonomous republics within the federation and to poorfags trying to move to cities. There's some speculation if you want to move to an area that's primarily a military town but nobody is going to bat an eye at your documents if you want to move from the Tatarstan Republic over to Vladivostok (or just in general from a more populated oblast to a less populated one). >>51491 It's really "somewhere inbetween." If you're a single woman from Novosibirsk, the authorities are probably going to deny your request to go to Chechnya unless you're going to live with family or are going there for a marriage proposition. Similarly if you're some poor bastard from Yakutsk you're going to get stopped and questioned if you want to move to Saint Petersburg or Yekaterinburg or something, but in general it just acts as an ID card, yes. It's more to just make sure people aren't going to become homeless or troublemakers wherever they end up.
Oh cool I guess I'm not Ukrainian any more finally while using burgerland servers.
>>51493 Your info is massively outdated, this is how it used to be in USSR, in modern Russia the authorities can't "deny" or "approve" you moving to a different subject as there are no internal checkpoints, you're free to travel wherever you please. The only restrictions are, you have you notify the Ministry of the Internal Affairs within 3 months of changing your permanent residence location if you're moving to another subject, or else you get fined for 50 bucks or so.
>>51496 The border checkpoints have been replaced with plaincloths "helpers" at the train stations and digital verification thanks to social media, but the basics remain the same. You just mysteriously lose your job and rental property and get pulled in for questioning in regards to crime a bit too often for it to be a coincidence making it so you have "no choice" but to go back instead of being told to fuck off directly these days.
>>51492 Two more weeks to Utopia.(tm)
thoughts lads, hysterics, or am I going to be atomic dust before summer ends?
>>51499 >am I going to be atomic dust before summer ends? Probably. But thankfully it's just you, yourself. The rest of us are going to be just fine. :^)
>>51500 Peace at last.
>>51497 lel nice to see Russia runs soft power just like the west internally. I still like that you can have your bank account terminated with no explanation required if you've angered the wrong gods here.
sorry wrong field
>>51499 >Source: some crap I found in my mail bro trust me.
>>51504 It's all edumacated guesses based on publicly available information minus the speculation, but they are reasonable assumptions to make.
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>>51499 It's on like Donkey Kong.
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>>51505 The part about the Gerald Ford going to Norway is real.
>>51499 I'll believe it when it happens. Regardless, you should always be prepared just in case. Funnily enough, this reminds me of that /x/ story where anon had the dream about nukes that led to lizard-demons taking over the world and torturing everyone in a literal hell on Earth.
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>>51499 >my contacts from my years working with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF), during which I handled National Security Intelligence, Terrorism, and Foreign Counter-Intelligence. >Turner was a paid informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for several years, supplying information about right-wing groups to federal agents.
>>51508 Do you have a copy of that story? >lizard-demons taking over the world and torturing everyone in a literal hell on Earth. But Soros is already here.
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>>51510 Not him but I think this is the story he was talking about.
>>51486 >UAF advance at little under 200m from border before losing two tanks and rolling back. kek this is pure UAF essence, just need a headline praising this as a great tactical victory >Akhmat and Wagner are having a heated dispute Spoon feed details please?
>>51499 I read a theory that the exercise is meant as a cover for ukrainian planes doing missile delivery at max range. Return fire risks hitting nato planes. And yeah elites are blind and retarded enough to think no fly zone over ukraine might work. I am terrified but there is nowhere to run so I guess I will just die.
>>51511 Oh fuck how the fuck are we going to stop the fucking lizard demon aliens?
>>51499 >>51516 Another possibility one that avoids war is, when NATO tries to initiate entry into the conflict, for China to make moves against Taiwan. A blockade for example. That would force the US to split its attention and it might just now want a two front war on its hands. And in response NATO is forced to back off.
>>51518 Whats the optimal taiwan invasion time window for china again?
>>51520 Do you mean like what time of year or do mean how long would it take to invade if they started at any given time?
>>51499 If these threads have taught me anything is that the Cafe's vatni/k/s have made the worst possible takes even when given objective intel because it turns out a bunch of guys pretending to go innawoods and playing armchair general can't read the complexity of real world military and their internal politics. It also smells a lot of Russian cope, aid or no aid a small backwater nation managed to stop an army that supposedly should be able to reach all the way to Berlin by Christmas, all the heavy lifting had to be done by PMCs and even their civilian population (spies or no spies) are rising up and protesting here and there. They have to create a narrative where somehow they're fighting a defensive war.
>>51492 It keeps getting delayed and not materializing. Zelensky says they're almost ready but he is still demanding more weapons, including additional 5 batteries of Patriot and F-16s. >>51512 >Spoon feed details please? From what I gathered ,Akhmat is pissy that Wagner has been getting spotlight so that called Wagner vloggers and TikTokers, naturally Wagner didn't take it kindly and ever since they have been having this back and forth between their branches. I suspect it's due to W getting more funding and volunteers because of their recent successes.
>>51446 Why aren't you muhricans killing each other?
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https://archive.ph/9oP1N https://archive.ph/wip/W1nG6 Some Polish volunteers also showed up in Belgorod.
Oh man, This whole situation is sounding eerily similar to revelation from the bible.
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>>51523 Oh noes! You disrespected the Russia and the Strelok, you have been dully reported and I will now assume that you are a federal agent. Have a nice day.
>>51528 >Oh man, This whole situation is sounding eerily similar to revelation from the bible. How's that, Strelok? I don't see much correlation other than the general Harlot of Babylon=>(((Globohomo))). But that's just as applicable to the current distraction-attacks on Serbia r/n, or the heavy-handed posturing against baste China. There's several other prophecies in there that also haven't happened yet either.
>>51520 2022, barring that right now or at elast before Trump gets reelected.
>>51523 Russia's willingness to commit was overestimated and America's willingness to waste resources was underestimated. The difference is that the Hohol fever dreams of winning have gotten so intense they've drunk the propaganda koolaid that Ukraine will take back Crimea while the Vatniks have generally reassessed the Russian military as "capable but utterly unwilling/incompetent." Vatniks didn't expect Russia to be able to weather the sanctions but they did, which made them overestimate Russia's willingness to engage. That hot take is premature when the vatniks are assessing that Ukraine's offensive will do real damage and it will be up to the Russian reaction to decide the war.
>>51532 >Russia's willingness to commit was overestimated and America's willingness to waste resources was underestimated I remember having a glance at this Buisness Insider article recently estimating that this war costs Russia about $67 billion, which is about a quarter of what West purs in Ukraine. Now, I don't know how accurate this assessment is, but it is food for thought.
>>51533 $67 Billion a year*
>>51533 Could you please link the article? I would like to read it.
>>51523 Anon. Your country support russia. Also by using the word cope you are trying to bait people. But I'll bite
>>51537 Thanks.
>>51536 Pretty sure he's a Hong Konger, Hong Kong most definitely does not support Russia. >>51533 I'm not terribly surprised. To play devil's advocate, I truly believe that while Russia may have more corruption at the administrative/beauracratic level, they have significantly less corruption on the military side of things. That is to say, while Western nations have likely spent around $250-300 billion (on paper), they also control the primary global money supply so most of that is just bloat that can be waved away. Western arms dealers and Russia could theoretically duke it out indefinitely with a few minor changes in infrastructure and some more dedication to the war, but it's willpower that is determining this war. The real battle over Ukraine is taking place in Brazil, Indonesia, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Turkey who are all scheming on ways to cut America out of their transactions. So long as America can debt-finance this war indefinitely it's only a matter of how much civil unrest they can handle domestically. >>51528 Everything can be tied back to Hitler or the Bible with 7 degrees of separation. >>51526 Because through debt financing, milk and bread is still affordable.
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>>51523 I can only give information based on perceived knowledge. While several of my statements have been "delayed" very few that have passed their "if this->then this" statement deadline have turned out to be wrong with the exception of Russia refusing to declare Ukraine a terrorist state. The ones that have been wrong get reassessed and adjusted to fit within the new framework. I have never claimed to be an expert unlike the corporate press who is putting out flat-out bullshit propaganda, and the fact that you hold random strelo/k/s to a higher standard than official media outlets and real journalists who are supposed to have done this alleged "research" yet consistently get things wrong is laughable. People get things wrong sometimes, dude.
>>51539 Still honk kong is chinas lap dog.
>>51525 <Beg for tanks this time around since you're running short of those >Germans decided to capitulate and starts sending heavy equipment to Ukraine >It's gonna happen if we get the tanks guys! >IFVs and Tanks get sent <Gets a fleet of them but it's not enough and beg for more >Begs for more tanks >Bongs decided to send their old Challies and Warrior AFVs >It'll happen after this! I swear on me mum! <Only now realize that their Air Force is teetering on the brink of collapse >Begs for planes >NATTO decides to yet again gibs the Ukies a squadron of F-16s <Gets crushing realization that nobody on Natto besides those dastardly Poles operates a fleet of Soviet-era Jets and they've already sent the ones that they can give <Which means that you have to train them for a year or so to make them able to operate it >We want those to get sent here too! >We'd want you to train our pilots in the meantime as well! >We'll start the offensive right away to prove that we mean it! <Gets a daily dose of Missiles to your depots instead <Realize you're lacking those as well >Beg for Cruise Missiles And so on... Sheesh, they seem like a scam that needs more of your shit to succeed doesn't it?
>>51530 Well you need to identify who's who to get the situation. In revelation 12 and 13 we learn of 3 beasts -The Dragon -The Beast with 7 heads and 10 Horns -The Lamb which spake like a Dragon I actually think one of these is incredibly easy to identify because only one group could really fit it's description. The Jews. And the one that it fits is the lamb that spake like a dragon. Remember that in Christianity a lot of parables refers to Christians as sheep and thus the lamb that speaks like a dragon would be something that is deceiving Christians which could only refer to the Jews. I mean these are the people that call themselves God's Chosen People. Not to mention these people are constantly propped up by the Judeo Christians. This beast also had the ability to kill people who opposes the first beast which is something the Jews should have the power to do. Here's the full on description of it. Revelation 13:11-15 "1 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. " Just remember when debating a judeo christian simply point to this verse and if they don't accept it for how clear it is then just leave and treat him like a heathen. 1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son" In other words helping the Jews is straight up helping antichrists. And even more than that, Helping an antichrist in anyway means that you are equally at fault for his wicked deeds. 2 John 1:9-11 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." For the beast with seven heads and 10 horns, my immediate reaction was towards Globohomo, The first beast is only given power by the dragon, However it should also be noted that the Lamb is the one who makes it so that the first beast is worshiped. Hence all of the propaganda that the Jews are pushing to get all of this debauchery to be widely viewed as a positive endeavor. The beast is described as a chimera of different animals which could easily be interpreted as being a chimera of different cultures, Race, Religion etc. Revelation 13:1-5 "and I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." I might be reaching here but remember when Donald trump was elected for President and people assumed that they somehow won against the Global cabal. And then when people realized that they'd been deceived and nothing changed. Thus the Beasts wound was healed and people wondered after it. The Dragon is Satan, This is more on the spiritual end of things but it should be told as it is, Obviously the Devil would be the enemy of white civilization because we are the one ethnic group who accepted Christianity with open arms. But it's a lot more than that, There's a lot of evidence to suggest that the ancient Israelites are actually Europeans, But this post is already excessively long so I'll keep it short and post from Revelation 12 because that's where the dragon's plan is in motion. First we need to talk about the woman who I think it's safe to say is Israel. Simply because of the way it's described. Revelation 12:1-2 "ND there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." The reason I say this is Israel is because of the crown with twelve stars which represent the twelve tribes of Israel. We're gonna skip the whole spiritual war where Michael the archangel kicks Satan out of heaven because all that's relevant there is that they won and that satan was cast down to earth. This is where something is explored though. The women is given two wings to fly into the wilderness. Revelation 12:13-14 "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Note the term GREAT EAGLE here, In my opinion, That can only refer to the USA, Which while right now is a shell of it's former glory used to be a bastion for white civilization. But that's not the end of it. The devils response is this. Revelation 12:15-17 "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Now this is relevant because later in Revelation 17 we learn that waters can be referenced towards being different people groups. Here's the verse that confirms it. Revelation 17:15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." It should be noted that the beast with seven heads and ten horns hates the "whore" who is also USA by the way and wants to destroy her.
>>51542 It seems like it won't be long before they begin to ask for ships to rebuild their navy. >>51539 makes an interesting argument for willpower being the determining factor in this ear, but the lack of material on the Ukrainian side is a good reminder that not only you should never go to war alone, but that you should make sure to have the capacity to produce your own stuff. >>51543 Take your meds
>>51543 I'm reasonably familiar with those prophecies and others in the Christian Bible, Strelok. While I agree on some of your points as valid, you've failed IMHO to validate that the time for these to be fulfilled is here and now. I don't think that's the case. REGARDLESS, we're pretty much off-topic ITT. If you want to continue this discussion, then please move it over to the /k/anteen, thanks. >>48689
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There was relatively large assault today undertook by UAF, news got largley overshadowed by Ukrainan raid at Belgorod region, but it seems that the raid was primarily conducted to take away Russian attention from Zaporozhie. Ukraianns advanced couple of hundred meters but were stopped by Russians. Following was posted by one of the Russian correspondents so take it as you wish: >The Ministry of Defense about the attempts of the enemy to go on the offensive in the Zaporozhye direction. >On the morning of June 4, the enemy launched a large-scale offensive in 5 sectors of the front in the YuzhnoDonets direction with the introduction of the 23rd and 31st mechanized brigades from the strategic reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of other military units and subunits. >In total, 6 mechanized and 2 enemy tank battalions were involved. >The enemy's goal was to break through our defenses on the most vulnerable, in his opinion, sector of the front. The enemy did not achieve his tasks, he had no success >As a result of skillful and competent actions of the Eastern Group of Forces , the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 250 personnel, 16 tanks, 3 infantry fighting vehicles, 21 armored fighting vehicles. >The commander of the united group of troops, the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Gerasimov, during this period was at one of the forward command posts in this direction. Probably sizable recon in force or an attempted recon-pull.
>>51304 evidently, yes. >>51395 this. I think if the kings, sultans, khans, emperors etc from back then could see our times, I think they would've recognized Putin and Xi as fellow lords & rulers worthy of those titles, while regarding most of our leaders as pathetic imposters. They have a definite gravitas that the others lack. >>51457 The amount of debt & inflation under ZOG is already wildly unsustainable. Their strategy seems to be delaying the inevitable crash as long as they can. >>51511 man, wtf did I just read. that was insane. I don't think it'll get to quite that point, but I do think that within the next ~50 years, my country the US will break apart into a half-dozen successor states, mostly ethnostates. I predict that Blacks will get most of the South, Hispanics get the Southwest, the Midwest will be split between a Native American state and the Mormon Deseret Kingdom, Northwest (Cascadia) goes to us Whites, and my native Northeast may survive as a fragment of the current US. But all this is going off on a tangent. >>51523 You're definitely from Hong Kong. PMC Wagner didn't take Bakhmut by themselves -- while they were the ones who got their hands dirty on the ground, they relied heavily on Russian air/artillery and recon/intel from the main armed forces. This war is primarily a proxy war between Russia & NATO, with Ukrainians as pawns. I'd estimate that Russia has destroyed the Ukrainian military 3 times over, and they're now on the fourth iteration. >>51543 I can see some similarities, but I don't think it matches up well enough for these to be the End Times. Besides, the original Aryan view is that time is cyclical, not linear, to which I'm inclined to agree.
>>51502 Its crazy how little power people have in the west, yet no pushbacks whatsoever. The last major thing here in NA was that trucker protest back in 2022, just odd how everyone has given up.
>>51566 It's understood that things will get much, much worse if there is any kind hostile takeover of the federal government, and the legal framework means that SCOTUS are the only ones with both the balls and the capability to do anything. Rational people have to sit with their thumbs up their asses and at least wait until things reach an irredeemable point before going postal since otherwise the normalfags will just get in the way. Either the economy has to get a whole lot worse or the active persecution of political rivals will need to spill over into active street violence among normalfags before anyone will do anything. I understand that the longer things go unaddressed the more terrible they will get in the long run, but even among rationals not everyone thinks that far ahead. War is terrible strelok, and those with the experience to wage it are thw ones who want to avoid it the most.
>>51565 >Their strategy seems to be delaying the inevitable crash as long as they can. Was Douglas Adams prescient? >“The party blundered helplessly across the sky like a man leaning against an unexpectedly open door. It spun and wobbled on its hover jets. It tried to right itself and wronged itself instead.” The longer this (((party))) manages to stay afloat in thin air, the harder it's crash will be in the end.
>>51568 The federal government has already been taken over by globalist forces. The normalfags never do anything. Even in the most successful rebellions in history the rebels constituted a minority of the population and everyone else just went along with the winning side. Le people rising up is a Hollywood delusion
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Seems there's a bit of a joke situation here in the sandy northern lands of m00txico, some cartel video ops appeared with some random cartel shooter walking around in a normal and wholly wholesome highway blockade but with an interesting detail, he seems to be carrying a very modern-looking tube resembling a bazooka but not like the usual american export M72 "bazooka" or the dusty old Blindicida aka "the funnel". In further investigations by the press aka asking their local cartel hitmen for gossip, seems the story is about a hitman from one of the cool ops groups of the Gulf's Cartel taking out what seems to be a brand new toy from a car to another, this happening on a rural road in periphery of a border city to Texas (aka 10 miles from the border). Also it seems it isn't a rocket launcher but a fancy "grenade" launcher, the AT4. While it is not strange to see cartel operators with military grade stuff, like the Brownings, Barrett rifles or M72's, the problem here is that the Mexican Army has never officially ordered or had in possession the AT4 unlike the others to play dumb and say they were stolen/bought by outsiders; and now they might be slightly nervous to see hitmen with tubes that can instagib armored vehicles now that they ran out of the thing that took down helicopters a decade ago. This comes into the topic because the only movement of AT4's recently has been with the big shipment to Ukraine, hence the local ruskie embassy posting a shitpost in Twitter about "aid shipments to Ukraine already helping Mexican cartels" but later on using a more serious tone on a similar post subsequently, later on with the press claiming you can get one just like in the video for as low as only 19,999 US currency. This doesn't help Ukraine a lot because historically the AK-M's omnipresent in cartel arsenals have been either Norincos from the Pacific bought from unknown sources or bulgarian and ukrainian stock from the Atlantic (cartel lore mentioning the 'ndranghetta), and the AT4 is currently in the atlantic side of the country near the border so... Another hit to the Biden administration because a couple of years ago some group hit the Mexico City cop chief and one of the weapons left after the shootout was a back-then brand new gray FN SCAR mk17 which the press ignored but the keen eyes identified but none could explain well other than an inside job (due to chief escaping uninjured). >>51492 >Spring We are about to hit the beaches and binge beer every once in a while, that hebrew jester has some weird definitions on his funny log. >>51544 >Take your meds Been rebelling against your grandma recently, bud?
>>51571 It's not about le people stand up commieshit, faggot. It's about the fact that outside of incels everybody else with guns has something to lose/something to live for. Things aren't that bad yet despite the niggerpilling from Americans who's living standards are rapidly declining. Not bad enough to burn this motherfucker to the ground quite yet.
>>51573 They won't ever burn this shit to the ground because the powers that be make the living conditions incrementally worse for each successive generation, which doesn't have any memories of the times that came before it. You're the one peddling commieshit fantasies.
>>51574 Hyperinflation is real and coming unless something gives and gives fast/hard. You can't just manipulate the monetary supply willy nilly forever when all the vassal nations are getting fed up with it. t. Every sane person present during an empire's collapse.
Belgium is probing an investigation on the Belgorod attack, Belgian rifles where spotted and used at the cross border attack.
>>51576 Could be posturing, or could be Belgium's way of trying to find an "out" from this war. Hard to say until the investigation is finished since even a the braindeads can quite clearly tell that was a Ukrainian attack on Russian soil.
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Ukrainan forces still continue their attack at Zaporozhie. Looks like it was actually a sizable attack that took small town Novodonetskoe(?) in the beginning but RuAF managed to kick them out and retake the position after abandoning it then leveling it with pre sighted artillery. Reports that Leopard 2 tanks have made a combat debut. The pictured and video show AMX 10RC, which Russians claim 2 abandoned/knocked out. Also, Russians claimed they captured 'certain something American' but haven't gone into details. The usage of western gear leads to speculation that this is the beginning of long awaited UAF offensive or at least diversionary attach, however, if this is the case, they have failed to penetrate in almost any depth for two days now. There are several videos of Ukeainan columns being hit on approach, looks pretty bad, bur videos are too large, might set up another anonfiles link in the future. Other stuff: >Combat continues with Ukrainan DRGs in Belgorod. >Russians might not extend the grain deal, already there's s big drop-off in shipped grain. >Russia still hasn't run out of missiles
>>51578 >Also, Russians claimed they captured 'certain something American' but haven't gone into details. I wonder what it could be?
>>51578 >Russians might not extend the grain deal, already there's s big drop-off in shipped grain. To be honest they don't have many more fucks to give and destroying Odessan naval capabilities (and by default Odessan drone strike capabilities in doing so) is probably too good of a deal to pass up any more. Russian grain exports can go through the Caucuses during the summer months (giving Turkey a chance to make a new grain deal in the interim), and the Americans are currently running GlowOps in all the North African countries that Russia has to go through Turkey to deliver grain to, so the civil unrest from starving hajis probably doesn't bother them if they're gonna lose those assets anyways (it might even backfire on the Americans). They should have done this the moment their oil pipeline scout ship was hit instead of waiting until now. >It's only been two days I'd give the Ukrainians about two weeks before making any major predictions. I know Kherson was a completely different beast, but it took them a week or so before they really ramped up their efforts despite massive casualties in that first week.
>>51572 >inb4 video surfaces of cartels walking around with Stingers too
>>51542 >Sheesh, they seem like a scam that needs more of your shit to succeed doesn't it? From consistently the most corrupt country on the European continent. Huh, who would have thought. Whoops >>51572 >>51544 >Take your meds Great tl;dr, thanks. >Spring *2024, pay attention y'all. The squadron of F-16 pilots needs to finish their training, the offensive needs air support, c'mon. >>51578 >Russians might not extend the grain deal, already there's s big drop-off in shipped grain. How bad is Ukraine's projected harvest this year, is there enough grain to even consider the need for export?
>>51575 >Hyperinflation is real and coming Serious question, but this is the first time in recorded history that much of the currency is digital/virtual. Tacking on a few zeros onto the $ figures is not too hard, there's no need for take a wheelbarrow full of currency to the grocery store anymore. I realize there are other problems besides the physical volumes of currency but could it really maybe be different this time around?
>>51588 I don't see what difference it would make whether the currency is physical or digital if your income is increasingly less able to sustain your livelihood. Not having to carry your money in a wheelbarrow to go to the grocery store doesn't really change the fact that you can't afford enough stuff to get by with what money you've got.
>>51580 No idea, but it could be anything from whole Abrams to glowie embedded within UAF. If it's just another MaxxPro I'm gonna be disappointed. >>51581 >To be honest they don't have many more fucks to give and destroying Odessan naval capabilities (and by default Odessan drone strike capabilities in doing so) They have occasionally been hitting Odessa, just the other day they've sunken probably biggest ship in Ukrainan navy that still remained afloat. Ukrainans make a fuss about it and yell 'civilian object' but when asked why does the grain storage give off secondary explosions hours on end, they refuse to comment. >>51587 >How bad is Ukraine's projected harvest this year, is there enough grain to even consider the need for export? Haven't been following the war on foodstuffs front closely, but sizable arable area seems to be caught in the middle of hostilities and is unable to be exploited in full. Maybe some strelok here has the additional info.
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Imagine enjoying a fake jew banker war to kill off slavs.
>>51588 It's less about adding extra zeros and more about devaluation of the currency's actual worth. It doesn't matter how many zeros you throw after the number if there's nothing you can (or want to) buy with it. >>51589 sums up the gist of it, but to expand... Short mildly innacurate economics lesson: America gets off being the world currency which means they can sell loans to foreign countries as "bonds" of sorts, and then those countries, now holding US dollars, sell them back to America in exchange for goods or services which props up the system and prevents runaway inflation as the money that flows back into America is effectively "destroyed" to raise the value of the American dollar against everything else. Think of it like selling your stocks at a higher price and then rebuying them at a lower price in order to raise the value of the stock again (profiting off of someone else's loss). Normally this isn't a huge deal because while you are trading away physical resources to stimulate the economy, you are also bringing in more physical resources from other countries as part of trade. Because the currency is in global circulation, even if America prints a few extra dollars, a few hundred billion or even trillions of dollars aren't very significant in the world valuation of goods (quadrillions, possibly quintillions) so you're effectively printing free money to get free goods from other countries. It's the modern-day equivalent of Jews carving off the edges of coins to smelt into new coins or company stores using "Wal-Mart Bux" instead of real currency, and it works so long as you as the host nation for the global currency continue to make interest payments, but it devalues the world supply of money/goods instead of any one particular nation's so you get a tragedy of the commons where nobody can complain too much about their ow currencies being devalued against the dollar. The issue, and this isn't particular to physical currency or digital currency but to all fiat currency, is that if you print too much currency and/or don't maintain your trade relations that make your currency considered "stable" on the global stage, then your currency becomes worthless among non-players which incentivizes the remaining players to use other means of trade instead of your currency, as can be seen with most of the world not using Euros or RNB China outside of controlled, localized trade where the currency is being directly translated into goods and services in short order rather than being held onto. America destabilized their currency when they mass-sanctioned Russia in a trade war which caused all countries that begrudgingly used USD to start considering any and all alternatives leading to currency competition (the one thing you AVOID when you're the global currency and raking in something for nothing). This system when it fails is kind of like a chunk of ice coming off a glacier. Everything is falling at the same speed, but until the ice chunk is fully submerged and starts compressing itself you don't get the waves rippling through the system and the entire thing looks "weightless" to anyone not aware that it's in freefall. If too many countries stop using a currency before it has a chance to stabilize or if too many countries stop using a currency in general, that currency enters free fall during which time debt-spending doesn't decrease at all (if anything it increases) leading to total financial collapse and, worst case scenario, hyperinflation. While I don't like giving the anarchist commies credit, they deserve credit where credit is due in that they predicted this $4,000,000,000,000,000 (yes 15 zeros) global bubble/trade deficit would eventually have to burst if America didn't get shit under control and other countries lost confidence in them. This has been a building European debt since the 1800s that's been continuously offset onto different countries (primarily in Asia and Africa) via war until finally America inherited it in exchange for goods during WWII leading to America establishing themselves as the global reserve currency. tl;dr- You can only take out endless loans if people have confidence in your currency. Otherwise the resources propping up the system eventually collapse or aren't worth the debt's value. It can fix itself with the right people in charge and the right austerity measures/policy changes, but we're doing the exact opposite of that because of American hubris
Oh right and America's current "solution" is to let the collapse happen and then by back other people's currency while the entire world is experiencing heavy inflation in a high-risk maneuver to try and counteract this approaching hyperinflation to try and devalue everyone else's currencies instead of theirs. Think of it like building a wall out of human meat to prevent the glacier-tsunami.
>>51592 >Think of it like building a wall out of human meat to prevent the glacier-tsunami. Woah calm down there Perturabo.
>>51590 >>51587 >Grain situation Ukraine dropped from 106 million metric tons down to only 67 million metric tons from 2021 to 2022. They were expected to drop down to around 50 million metric tons this year, but they have only shipped 30 million so far and those estimates were before the grain deal started getting called into question. That's production, not exports. There was expected to be a 40 million metric ton deficit in global grain supply this year prior to the grain deal falling through. Perhaps more important and mostly unmentioned, following safety concerns for Russian citizens in Togliatti, TogliattiAzot stopped shipping Ammonium fertilizers (part of the grain deal) back in February to Odessa via the Ammonia pipeline, so the global fertilizer shortage is about to get a LOT worse and a LOT more expensive going into the Autumn 2023 and Spring 2024 harvests.
>>51596 They only produced 30 million so far.* I suppose in retrospect if they can't export it they have no reason to grow it past what they can sell domestically.
>>51592 >>51593 So in other words, GAE runs its world empire on raubwirtschaft ie plunder economy, but in a subtle way relying on Jewish trickery, and they plan to deflect the impact of collapse onto everyone else to stay in power. However, if Russia/China/etc win Cold War II, and successfully launch a gold-backed international currency, it'll crash the plane with no survivors. >>51573 panem et circenses, bread & circus. As long as normalfags are fed & distracted, they won't rebel. >>51572 There's been reports for awhile of NATO arms earmarked for Ukraine disappearing into the black market. I'm sure there will be plenty more of this. >>51570 probably. Those books and their use of language is great, but the end was jarring, it completely contradicted the tone of the whole series. I remember thinking "that dude must've been having a really bad day". Fortunately, a radio play fixed the ending by having the improbability machine resurrect Earth
>>51598 >Summary Yeah more or less. But honestly it could even be another fiat scheme so long as it's stable enough to compete with USD as a global reserve currency. Doesn't even need to be "as good" just "good enough" to adopt which is why I think hyperinflation is inevitable since the cat is already out of the bag and countries as mass-dumping US dollars. Thanks for summarizing.
>>51578 >The usage of western gear leads to speculation that this is the beginning of long awaited UAF offensive or at least diversionary attach, however, if this is the case, they have failed to penetrate in almost any depth for two days now. There are several videos of Ukeainan columns being hit on approach, looks pretty bad, bur videos are too large, might set up another anonfiles link in the future. So, they finally pulled the trigger. Took em long enough. Let's see if this becomes another Kherson meatgrinder. Also why the fuck are those two tanks so close to each other. >>51587 >From consistently the most corrupt country on the European continent. Huh, who would have thought. What makes me amazed is how blatant they are at begging for gibs. I know for sure that atleast a quarter of the arms or aid that gets sent there got customs'd and smuggled out somewhere while the rest is free for the taking. >>51598 >There's been reports for awhile of NATO arms earmarked for Ukraine disappearing into the black market. I'm sure there will be plenty more of this. Isn't this already a thing ever since last year when a AT-4 got sold on the black market?
Kahkovka dam is broken.
>>51602 Well, isn't that just lovely. Reports claiming it was Russian bombing, of course, but that dam is responsible for the reservoir that provides cooling water to Zaporozhia NPP, and the Ukrainians have been trying to cause a nuclear disaster there since the moment the Russians took it.
>>51590 >why does the grain storage give off secondary explosions hours on end ship was carrying popcorn, obviously. >>51598 >successfully launch a gold-backed international currency How is such a thing even feasible? There's 200,000 tonnes of gold that has been mined - about $12 trillion at current prices. There is 27 trillion USD alone in circulation, and double that counting all currencies globally. If more gold is mined it would just dilute the price of gold since it doesn't really have inherent value, it's not a particularly useful material as a whole. Why should all economic activity be competing with extraction/production of some arbitrary mineral?
>>51603 >but that dam is responsible for the reservoir that provides cooling water to Zaporozhia NPP Oh shid. So if they run low of of cooling doesn't that mean that the Russians will just have to turn to plant off indefinitely and thus knocking off the power grid for a whole section of Ukraine?
>>51606 Yes. Or that I need to stock on lugols fluid.
>>51602 Beautiful. >>51605 Generally you want your currency to be worth something even if it's only backed by black gold or natural resources. Thankfully we are approaching the age of energy as a currency. >>51606 There's about a half dozen redundant cooling systems all the way down to a diesel pump pulling water from an emergency reservoir on-site. If they really manage to cut off all outside water the facility still has about two weeks before things go haywire which is more than enough time to shut down the remaining cores and prevent a nuclear disaster. Be more worried for the people who'd lose their electricity if that happens since nuclear facilities take a long time (weeks) to come back online and need a "bump start" from a diesel generator to really get going.
>>51598 Under what circumstances do you think that it would take for Ukraine to push for an armistice? What I mean is how bad does it get before mass fraggings, desertions, a factional government coup, or Zelensky and friends fleeing the country happen?
>>51603 Can't Russia blow up another dam upstream to offset that?
>>51611 I think Zelensky and friends will be retiring to somewhere with no extradition one way or the other soon. They've embezzled enough money at this point.
Like anon mentied, the dam at Nova Kakovkha has been blown up, both sides pin the blame on the other, but what Ukrainian side forgets to mention is that this move basically nullified first line of denfenses for the Russian in the whole area. Tbh it makes no sense for the Russians to blow up the dam both due to the said defenses and hot potato they now have on their hands in form of NPP.
>>51572 >"aid shipments to Ukraine already helping Mexican cartels" The US government keeps providing Ukraine with equipment that's clearly not being used and they are, somehow, more corrupt than Mexican officials, so it's not hard to believe that is a real possibility when you take into account that Mexican cartels have been in league with both Russian and Ukrainian organized crime groups for quite a while. >Been rebelling against your grandma recently, bud? >Not believing ramblings comparing every single historical event to random passages in the bible is rebellion Whatever you say mate. I'm also wearing my Che Guevara T-shirt as a type this >>51580 I highly doubt it's a damaged Abrahams or any other type of armored vehicle. Perhaps military personnel that recently retired and is fighting as volunteers. >>51601 >What makes me amazed is how blatant they are at begging for gibs Why bother with appearances? The american public has seen its leadership provide gibs to "freedom fighters" since the Cold War. It's normal for them at this point, even if they disagree with it. >>51603 >Ukrainians have been trying to cause a nuclear disaster there since the moment the Russians took it. Remember the first weeks of this fuckfest when the RuAF where nearing Chernobyl NPP and the mainstream media was panicking over the Russians wanting to cause a nuclear disaster? I wouldn't be surprised if one Ukie officer ran amok and decided to attack an NPP >>51611 >>51614 Zelensky is definitely jumping ship as soon as he can. I do think, however, that the media will continue to prompt him up as a hero in exile.
>>51615 It genuinely might have been a structural failure due to lack of maintenance and battle damage. There is no actual video of an explosion.
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>>51616 >they are, somehow, more corrupt than Mexican officials That's what boggles my mind, how? i've read and even had the opportunity to work near low-level gov players and they are lazy as hell, the only thing they do is follow orders from someone or something and pull movements to maintain everything afloat rather than do their work, along with doing schemes using government deals like that one time Ford sold them cars at production cost for government vehicles and the controlling party used this to buy tons of civilian cars for cheap and prop the Uber/DiDi market for themselves. Or selling concessions and fleecing the people who are screened to be using all their money for that rather than having a lawyer team, or extorting business owners with the permits via NOM inspections. After giving context for that statement we can now say something more corrupt than that is downright cartoony and i cannot imagine it as a day-to-day basis, truly Ukraine is a hotbed for jews if that's the case. >Mexican cartels have been in league with both Russian and Ukrainian organized crime groups Ruskies have worked with the Sinaloa Cartel but haven't heard anything regarding the Atlantic cartels and them, street words says their overall partners are the 'ndranghetta, the bulgarian mafia and the DEA/CIA... perhaps the lore groups both the bulgarians and the ukrainians but that seems rather ignorant even for rural cartel shooters who go as far as differentiate two kinds of italians in their songs, calabrians and sicilians. Truth is Gulf's Cartel have a good plug-in for weapons now which is considerable taking into consideration they have been lagging for more than a decade now, which is good because anything local is better than CJNG's antics. Scratch that, now i remember there's a ton of ukrainians in Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas (AT4 location) since the beginning of the war, being the only places where they did those pro-Ukraine protests with state money which landed them in hot water as all political parties told them to stop being retarded as Russia is the biggest fertilizer supplier in the country.
>>51618 Ukrainans did hit it with HIMARS missiles few months back to test out structural integrity of the locks, and there was serious talk within Ukrainan high command that they should strike it to make life for the Russians much harder in that area. I'm not saying with 100% certainty that Ukrainans actually did it, but in massively benefits them that this occurred. Maybe it is just a freak chance that this happened.
>>51620 It was apparently reported that the reservoir was at or near capacity before it broke. That it was able to continue operate after the earlier attacks might have misled them on its structural integrity and its limits.
>>51615 That reservoir is also Crimea's main source of fresh water. Between 2014 and 2022 there were times Ukraine blocked the canal that took the water from the reservoir to the peninsula, and it caused a water crisis. Securing that canal was one of Russia's early goals in the invasion. The current Ukraine claim is that it can't have been done by an aerial strike or missile, and that it had to have been blown by saboteurs planting explosives directly. They argue this somehow proves Russia is to blame.
>>51618 >Battle damage/poor maintaince That's an even more hilarious outcome. Because the RUAF main objective of supplying freshwater to Crimea just got much harder. At this point I'm firmly on the Ukrainian sabotage/ Russian incompetence (or inability) to repair the dam. I think if the Russians wanted to blow the dam for some reason they wouldn't bother with the defense line that's obviously flooded now
>>51623 >The current Ukraine claim is that the gas pipeline can't have been done by an aerial strike or missile, and that it had to have been blown by saboteurs planting underwater explosives directly.* Waitwat? Sounds reasonable to me strelok.
>>51624 it's a situation that kinda fucks with everyone >Kherson flooded for UAF >Zaporizhzhia NPP cooling water supply degraded >Crimean water supply drained into the Black Sea >RuAF defensive positions swamped >however Ukrainian forces now have to cross a moat in a counter-offensive
charlie dont surf
>>51626 >however Ukrainian forces now have to cross a moat in a counter-offensive repeat of iraq-iran where the bog is electrocuted please putin & zelensky
>>51610 >There's about a half dozen redundant cooling systems all the way down to a diesel pump pulling water from an emergency reservoir on-site. All of which have been dutifully maintained, regularly tested and assured to be in good working order throughout the years. R-right?? >>51611 >What I mean is how bad does it get before mass fraggings, desertions, a factional government coup, or Zelensky and friends fleeing the country happen? As long as west keeps pumping in $$ and equipment the show will go on. >>51613 >Can't Russia blow up another dam upstream to offset that? That's a piss-your-paints-to-stay-warm kinda strategy. It might help temporarily but if the downstream dam has a hole the reservoir level will keep dropping. >>51610 >Generally you want your currency to be worth something even if it's only backed by black gold or natural resources. That's the point - all the gold is worth less than the total money supply and less than the total economic activity (GDP). If the currency is 25-50% backed by gold then you still need to run to the bank quickly enough to get paid out, which is what the scheme tries to avoid in the first place. I also want this paper or w/e it's made of nowadays to be backed by tangibles but I just don't see how this works on international scale. >Thankfully we are approaching the age of energy as a currency. Usable energy is transient by nature so it boils down to a future promise to deliver said energy, which requires a long term functional society to uphold. Doesn't seem that different from fiat on fundamentally.
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>>51614 >I think Zelensky and friends will be retiring to somewhere with no extradition one way or the other soon. Maybe he can hang out with Saakashvili in Brooklyn NY?
>>51626 >Moat I can't wait until they start accusing each other of using bioweapons when it was just shitty/inability to maintain sanitation along the river because they were dumping shit into the river or NATO.
>>51605 Gold is the tried-and-true standard, so it tends to be used as a default in these discussions. But of course, a stable currency is not limited to gold by any means. As >>51610 said, currency needs an anchor, it should not be floating, because that leads to our current mess. Other metals or oil would work fine. >>51611 Zelensky will fly the coop as others said. The key point is that Zelensky & co are not actually loyal to Ukraine, he's a ZOG puppet who is perfectly willing to let the country burn down. It won't be his problem when he's living in Monaco or somewhere similar. >>51626 still, on balance it causes more problems for Russia, so I think it was Ukrainian saboteurs. This is also a serious escalation.
>>51630 >As long as west keeps pumping in $$ and equipment the show will go on. Yeah sure but soon Ukraine will run low of men and will have to send literal Hohol Youth to man the front lines. That or bring in actual NATO troops one, which escalates everything.
>>51615 I'm not sure if losing that losing a single defensive line is that much of a problem when you have a few more just behind it. Meanwhile Russians won't have to worry about that part of the front for quite a while, and Ukrainians are now busy relocating all the people from the area. So on balance I wouldn't rule out the Russians doing it.
>>51633 >This is also a serious escalation. It would be a good excuse for Russia to turn off the power plant in retaliation, whether it actually needs to be or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqNfIkfH-M History Legends describes in great detail why Alexander Mercouris can take his smug smirk and shove it where the sun don't shine. Also some interesting in-depth analysis of Wagner's commanders.
>>51634 >send literal Hohol Youth to man the front lines Uh, what youth? >>51068 In the grand scheme of things the meat grinder is minor compared to macroeconomic and 'natural' decline of the population.
>>51640 >Alexander Mercouris Who?
>>51635 I see your point, but it could just as easily be about preventing Russian offensives. Also, this cuts off the primary source of fresh water to Crimea, which is exactly the sort of spiteful thing ZOG would do. also, from https://www.rt.com/russia/577595-shoigu-offensive-casualties-report/ >Shoigu accused the Ukrainian government of destroying the Kakhovka dam in order to cover its flank along the Dnieper River and prevent a Russian advance, while freeing up troops from that part of the front to redeploy in order to make up the losses elsewhere. >As proof that Ukraine was behind what he called a terrorist act, Shoigu noted that the Dnepropetrovsk hydroelectric plant – under Ukrainian control, further up the river – significantly increased the water flow and contributed to the flooding. Kiev has blamed Moscow and denied any responsibility for the disaster. >>51637 good point. It also brings up the larger issue of whether the Fall of Ukraine will result in Cold War II, or whether NATO will go full retard and declare WWIII. Either way, I predict the West will lose, either gradually or quickly, and I'm so fed up with the faggotry and degeneracy that I'm all for it.
whats the QRD on Ukraine blowing thier own dam? What are the effects?
>>51645 >Shoigu noted that the Dnepropetrovsk hydroelectric plant – under Ukrainian control, further up the river – significantly increased the water flow and contributed to the flooding. Should be easy enough to confirm objectively. And, while merely cohencidental, certainly follows a general pattern for over a decade of targeting civilians by the Ukrainian occupation junta.
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>>51644 Mercouris. He used to provide good logistical coverage of the war. His coverage isn't bad still but he's become full of himself in the last 3ish months. People are calling him out because he started shitting on Prigozhin and calling him a spoiled brat around the time Bakhmut was falling (his response was to bluster about how much he hates Wagner for 5-15 minutes every single day since then), and he proceeded to backtrack on his statements about calling Bakhmut Artyomovsk when the Russians took it over even after the Russians took it over so he's largely fallen into irrelevancy. I was joking about the fact that History Legends was explaining in great detail the kind of shit Wagner has historically had to deal with which is in direct contrast with Mercouris' claims that they're a bunch of whiny babies out for gibs. His video today: https://youtu.be/L2KDeLfmI_Q Pic related. I made a map of most of the "major" war coverage channels and how they interact with each other for ease of use.
>>51645 >Wrong uniform >Longer hairstyle >Smiles >Unfit If you're going to be a cosplay whore at least do it right. How fucking hard is it to just dress up like a character? Holy shit.
>>51651 Just be glad the AI gave her the right number of fingers.
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>>51651 I forgot >no pouches >some stupid belt that serves no purpose
>>51652 >AI We have gone too far
>>51647 >big wall go BOOM >such wet >much kill >wow
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>>51652 I do not mean to pry Strelok...
>>51654 >We have gone too far Same with the 9/11 memorial pictures, the way to see if it is an AI/machine code is with the peripherals of the image, AI fucks it up in the details of the background like cut-out faces, high-frequency details (or moire inducing) and/or intricate details. In that image for example the cars are all banged up, also the trees have repeating textures like a videogame would. And yes i implied the 9/11 memorial pictures of the victims were machine-made due to being filled with the usual glitches we see today, except that site was made more than a decade ago by the US gov
>>51658 >high-frequency details (or moire inducing) and/or intricate details Actually, another sign is to check the lowest-frequency detail: the average value. An AI-generated image using current typical techniques is often going to have an average brightness of about 0.5. When they're trained on such a huge number of images, they're going to end up with a middle-of-the-road level of brightness, unless the prompt really pushes it otherwise. Case in point, that "cosplay" has an average brightness of 0.466. This real cosplay averages 0.205. It's a pain in the ass getting AI images below 0.3, and notice that that's a daytime photo, meaning an AI equivalent wouldn't even be able to hammer the prompt with terms related to night time. And you can see it most clearly in furshit. The AI loves to give countershading (i.e. lighter belly fur), and the darker the main fur, the brighter the countershading. This attempt at a black Anubian jackal ended up half white, leading to an average brightness of 0.468, because all-black fur is too dark for it to easily manage. And for another furshit example since I've got the folder open, the third image is an outdoor, daytime desert scene, with light-colored fur. If any scene should have a high average brightness, it should be that. But since it wasn't specifically told to be bright, it still arranges the shadows and colouration such that the average value works out to only 0.530. Obviously, it's not the least bit conclusive. Prompts that hammer it hard enough in either direction can do it, though it can make the lighting itself get fucky. And more importantly, many photos will have a pretty average brightness themselves. But what can be useful is that real photos can casually be at the extremes; that Marisa photo in the forest doesn't look like it's trying to be dark.
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>>51654 >We have gone too far Not enough.
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>>51656 It's fucking hilarious if you ask me. Summertime is the time of water sports. Putin and Slinky should just fight out who the best surfer is! Can you imagine how many trenches the Ukrainians and Russians have build, which are now flooded?
I thought this is a christian board? ai "art" is literally satanism. >>51669 Yeah, surfing while dodging all of these mines that were washed away. Cannot wait for them washing up somewhere in Turkey and blowing up kids playing in the sea. And all of them have been most likely not blown away, imagine storming a swamp filled with underground traps. In hindsight Kherson withdrawal was 200 iq move.
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>>51670 >I thought this is a christian board? ai "art" is literally satanism. No, this isn't a christian board, this is /k/. The christian board is /christian/. Not surprising that a Luddite might struggle with navigating a website though.
>>51670 >I thought this is a christian board? ai "art" is literally satanism. Alack Satan has worked his way into the minds of most of the webring who are now violently anti-Christian and becoming the very creatures they hate, pretending to have moral superiority while having literally zero guiding values that aren't but the flowers cut from their Christian roots. This place (imageboards, the webring) is doomed if you seek out peace in the heart of Sodom and Gomorrah.
>>51671 Genuinely more damage then was done to Bahmut. >>51672 Kill yourself.
>>51674 >Kill yourself. Why are you promoting sin? Bad kurwa!
>>51676 Non-Christians don't get Christian mercy the same way communists don't get rights. If you state intention to do away with something the protections of that something do not extend to you.
>>51671 Ukraine claims 90% of Kerson 70% of zaporozhye and 30% of Dipro Oblast is without water supply and irrigation
The Togliatti-Odesa pipeline in Kharkiv has been blown up unfortunatelyI can't find any videos of it.
>>51684 Oh well, no fertilizer for Western Europe then.
>>51684 >Togliatti-Odesa pipeline in Kharkiv has been blown up I would assume this is a toxic af gas cloud then?
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>>51679 Kek >>51684 >unfortunatelyI can't find any videos of it. Ere' ya go. Also, Russians claim they've managed to bonk IRIS-T SAM system with Lancet.
Tucker's back, baby! https://nitter.privacydev.net/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419 And he's talking about the dam and going insane for the Ukraine.
>>51688 That's fine I guess as long as he doesn't keep spouting that shit about starting Jew War III with baste China.
>>51684 is this "counteroffensive" really just Ukraine blowing up their own infrastructure in some attempt to mildly annoy the russians?
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>>51690 It's almost like reality itself is trying to bait me into schizo posting. Don't worry, I'll keep it to myself until I come up with something that makes sense.
>>51690 I think it's more to hurt Europe enough to commit fully to this war.
>>51676 Killing isn't a sin. When will non-Orthodox nuchristians learn?
>>51705 I don't think it's a sin even in other strains of Christianity,
god dam!!!!
>>51705 >thou shalt not kill learn2read the bible heretic
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>>51686 Eh, its not so bad, it will disperse in the atmosphere. >>51670 >ai "art" is literally satanism. Artfags are getting desperate, eh?
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>>51705 >Killing isn't a sin. No, but unjustified killing (murder) certainly is.
>>51651 >>51661 >>51659 I figured posting that image would be a good troll, and it was (solid analysis btw). Also, is it still 3dpd if it's AI? >>51710 murder is a mortal sin, but not all killing is murder, thus some, but not all killing, is sinful. >>51674 >Genuinely more damage then was done to Bahmut. yes, anything submerged by flood waters gets ruinated.
>>51705 >>51710 >>51712 He wasn't talking about murder anyway. It was about him advocating suicide. For christfags, suicide's enough of a sin that people who kill themselves can't even be buried in Christian cemeteries. Or at least that's how it was for a long time. And surely advocating sin is itself a sin.
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>>51640 >18:26 >destroyed Ukrainian BTR
>>51712 >Also, is it still 3dpd if it's AI? Dangerously close. These are uncharted waters, who knows what lurks beneath. It's probably the same old faggotry all along, but still. >>51713 At least we can all agree >>51674 is kurwa.
>>51671 >stalker 2 maps That’s gonna be larger great swamp with more buildings. But more importantly where are all the black trans women hunting down strelok as the antagonist? Oh monolith why have you left us
>>51630 >all the gold is worth less than the total money supply Am I retarded? Or wouldn't making money tied to gold just increase the price of gold and devalue the currency to an equilibrium on its own? Wasn't gold historically overvalued solely on its role as currency for this very reason? I don't see how replacing overvalued fiat currency with overvalued minerals is so horrible? Or somehow worse than overvalued crypto.
>>51670 >ai art is satanism I never understood this argument, even if you think devils to be some sort of pure logic entity more akin to Ai (which might very well be true) why be scared of them? Its the same shit with devils period, why be scared of any of them? They only thing they can do is fuck with you and fan the flames of bad ideas like some bratty schoolgirl. The only thing to truly be afraid of is the psychos who worship them, and isn't fearing them so religiously akin to a kind of worship? Wasn't it said somewhere that only god is to be feared? >>51673 Or are my flowers too wilted to understand basic reason? I mean realistically haven't angels and demons done their jobs perfectly? God is omniscient and omnipowerful, so everything they have done is by his will in order to further temper us into becoming the type of people this whole world was created for us to be, trying to be scared of a tool that has done its intended purpose perfectly is not just dumb, its hilarious. LMAO what a couple of fools.
>>51708 The original uses a word that connotes killing with a fault, aka murder, greeklet/hebrewlet. φονεύσεις, תִּֿרְצָֽ֖ח׃.
>The NATO army can take a direct part in the armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine. This was stated by former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen in an interview with the Guardian. >Anders Fogh Rasmussen noted that the Baltic countries and Poland can assemble a coalition of countries that are ready to send their armed forces to participate in the military conflict in Ukraine. We ww3 nao
>>51706 It is in catholicism but it all falls from a mistranslation, the sin originally mentioned something more akin to "assassinate" than merely "kill". You can kill an intruder wanting to steal your carnal dignity but you shouldn't kill some fellow who pissed on your shoes. For the anabaptists it is a sin all around, i don't even know how they kill their protein.
>Ukrainian counterattack is currently ongoing and getting massacred >nu-/k/ is arguing about irrelevant bullshit Just when I thought this place couldn't get any faggier it proves me wrong
>>51731 Its actually the counterattack?! I thought they were joking?! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>51731 I agree with the sentiment. Would you kindly share whatever source/outlet it is you're using to follow the counter-attack?
>>51726 You can't just drop that sort of post without a source anon.
>>51731 Yeah, yeah niggerpill. You've had two years to bitch about this stop pretending this is new. There is nothing happening on the front lines. Yeah people are dying and shit, but nothing of substance is happening right now.
>>51725 >no source <wah wah ur all fags
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>>51732 Footage came out of a Leopard 2A4 kill by a KA-52 and a TRML-4D radar kill by a Lancet during failed assaults by the UAF in Zaporizhzhia. Since UAF is committing Western equipment and has stayed radio silent about it, the fabled counteroffensive is obviously underway. >>51733 I came here expecting Streloks to have posted these already and be actively discussing and sharing info on the situation but I didn't realize how far /k/ has fallen. The NATO outlets have said nothing so far, while Shoigu put out a news statement that the attack was repelled (but the MoD is retarded so who knows if what comes out of his mouth is worth anything). >>51737 >I don't know shit therefore nothing is happening
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>>51733 >>51735 More off-topic incoming but i will at least attempt to post a source: >https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/07/nato-members-may-send-troops-to-ukraine-warns-former-alliance-chief June 7, 2023 A group of NATO countries may be willing to put troops on the ground in Ukraine if members do not provide security guarantees to "Kyiv" at the alliance’s summit in Vilnius, the former NATO secretary general Anders Rasmussen has said. Rasmussen, who has been acting as official adviser to Zelenskiy, has been touring Europe and Washington to gauge the shifting mood before the critical summit starts on 11 July. He made his remarks as the current NATO chief, Jens Stoltenberg, said the issue would be on Vilnius, but added that NATO – under article 5 of the Washington treaty – only provided full-fledged security guarantees to full members. Rasmussen said: “If NATO cannot agree forward for Ukraine, there is a clear possibility that some countries individually might take action. We know that Poland is very engaged in providing assistance. And I wouldn’t exclude the possibility they would engage even stronger in this context on a national basis and be followed by the Baltic states, maybe including the possibility of troops on the ground... I think the Poles would seriously consider going in and assemble a coalition of the willing if Ukraine doesn’t get anything in Vilnius. We shouldn’t underestimate the Polish feelings, the Poles feel that for too long western Europe did not listen to their warnings against the true Russian mentality.” Rasmussen also said it was imperative that Ukraine should receive written security guarantees, preferably before the summit, but outside the NATO framework too. These need to cover intelligence sharing, joint training, enhanced ammunition production, NATO interoperability and a supply of arms sufficient to deter Russia from a further attack. He later said "I’ve spoken with several eastern European leaders, and there is a group of hardcore, eastern central European allies that want at least a clear path for Ukraine towards NATO membership”. He warned that security guarantees would not be enough. That path to membership, he said, should exclude setting preconditions such as a membership action plan, something neither Sweden nor Finland have been required to adopt as part of their membership path. “Anything less than that would be a disappointment to Ukraine” $ GIBS $ MASTER $ >>51659 >average brightness of about 0.5 >This real cosplay averages 0.205 I see, i think i understand so the AI wants to maintain a perfectly exposed or at least a balanced histogram. Makes sense, never thought about it and playing artistically with a low dynamic range image might be a telltale sign it is not AI if the intentions are exposed well themselves rather than the image in general. >fur u wot, but yes i do see what the point is, funny how it downright refuses to burn the highlights unless it's a common thing to see and it shows, for example the clouds which are on a colder tone than the rest of the hot day, yet it does attempt to use them well in the main subject. Impressive results for a quick prompt although that pyramid is very funky. Graphic designers on (an even higher) suicide watch. >>51671 That is downright even worse than a large-scale carpet bombing if it lasts more than a week, all those buildings will stank and the leaks in their foundations will corrode, even in the re-building process they will have to dig out the column bases or soaked slabs on grades and replace/compact the dirt again, so triple the demolition costs. What a nightmare. >>51677 >Non-Christians don't get Christian mercy Wrong, that's the whole point of the Samaritan parable... there should be exceptions with constant transgressors like the jews have to say, kinda justified in Revelations. >>51724 >why be scared of any of them? Spiritually weak people might get "possessed" by them but you have to be weak and having opened something in the mind/spirit for them to enter, many daring hobbyists who seek meditation without a guide dare i say "daredevils" :^) get involved with weird shit without their consent and either recoil very hard (Odom affair) or get voices in their head very constantly fanning the flames of bad ideas like some bratty schoolgirl which also involve limb movement and impulsive behavior when not focused. It's like driving and having a monkey co-pilot changing the gears or moving the steering when you relax, except this monkey probably is also capable of shapeshifting in the physical realm and getting elected senator for the US congress but that's another story for another day. I do agree AI art is not satanic at least in its projected form, on a somewhat detailed analysis there's no underlying semiotic message or geometry code to subvert the mind... other than the subjects themselves but that's by request of the user.
>>51739 I didn't say nothing happened, just nothing substantial happened.
Prigozhin said that Shoigu and Gerasimov will be executed within two months because it's all ogre for the vatniks.
>>51742 Really? they seem to be doing pretty well holding the line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i_3ZRu5vcQ Patrick went to the village Ukraine is claiming control over in Russia lol. >>51731 Chastising won't get you anywhere when you're equally not posting anything. Chastising only works if you can attach a sense of shame with it.
>>51723 If "you" inflate the price of gold above its natural level it creates an economic incentive to abandon other (now relatively less valuable activities) in favor of digging up and refining a mostly useless mineral. And the nation's GDP is proportional to the production of gold, again arbitrarily limiting total output. This is obviously bad from a macro economic point of view. If the original intent was too strengthen the nation's currency/economy but instead you have more labor producing less value then it's not clear what this policy accomplishes.
>>51740 >AI wants to... It doesn't. There's no intent or goal, crudely put neural nets are massive sets of averages of the training set. Hence metrics like average brightness being very very average. The best results are going to be from combining specialized generative models: generate the character and landscape separately and then combine them. Or start generate an initial scene with a general purpose model and then use specialized ones to fix the fucked up hands/faces and funky pyramids.
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Some updates from Rybar: >from June 3rd to the 6th Ukraine has suffered 3.7k casualties and lost 52 tanks >Russians suffered 71 kia, 210 injured 15 tanks, 1 other vehicles, and 9 artillery pieces lost, per shoigu >4 leopard2's in total have been lost, the one hit in >>51739, and another 3 struck mines, all are in no mans land and neither side can recover them. >Russians have also captured 3 amx-10rc's >Ukraine is attempting small amphibious probing attacks in Kherson, having also received more boats; no attack has been successful yet >mines in Kherson are washing up and exploding randomly Outside of the war there is an uproar in Slovakia as documents were leaked showing a NATO plan to re-educate Slovakians on the war. And Moldova is going through a farmers protest nationwide as cheap Ukrainian product is flooding their markets.
>>51748 >mines in Kherson are washing up >>51670 >all of these mines that were washed away ... washing up somewhere in Turkey Are mines really that buoyant/floaty? I always had the impression they should sink like rocks. I can see the high current from the busted dam sweeping them along with everything else but hard to imagine them getting across the sea.
>>51749 Depends on the type of mine. If you separate a naval mine from its anchor (such as in turbulent waters or even just high tide) it will be buoyant and float away to wherever the current takes it. For landmines it depends. Proper (fragmentation) land mines will go off or get dragged away/sink to the bottom of a river in the event of flooding because they're typically made of heavier metals. That being said, the US-supplied "petal mines" that Ukraine loves so much are a plastic explosive with a light body, so in theory if gradual flooding doesn't set them off they could drift long distances and end up just about anywhere, really.
>>51744 >caring about the feelings of some faggots on a subsection of an obscure mongolian basket weaving forum KWAB
>>51751 >If you separate a naval mine from its anchor (such as in turbulent waters or even just high tide) it will be buoyant and float away to wherever the current takes it For decades after WW2, bad weather in the English Channel would dislodge old sea mines and drift them into beaches, shipping lanes, or harbours.
>>51731 >Counterattack fails >Uh that was probing scouts, actual counterattack soon! By technicality, this won't be the real counterattack if it fails. So it is ok to continue bullshitting.
>>51755 Two more weeks.
>>51755 >A real counter-offensive has never been tried before. >t. Ukraine
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>>51756 It's been nine years since I was told "tanks in thirty minutes". Fucking loser Russians probably won't ever deliver but still I must watch.
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>>51735 Sorry anon, figured if anybodys interested they could do a quci Google. Anon >>51740 here got the source. >That is downright even worse than a large-scale carpet bombing I honestly don't know which one I'd prefer. Most people dont realize how hard is to deal with water damage. Here are some video/photos of Leopards 2. UAF got all of these wunderwaffen and yet decided to ram them into Russian minefields and defenses.
>>51754 And during the Vietnam war Americans had to dodge mines they themselves dropped around Japan, because the currents carried them down there.
>>51749 >Are mines really that buoyant/floaty? Well we are about to find out. >>51742 Prigozhin is peak shitposter, with an agenda at that. >>51760 >I honestly don't know which one I'd prefer. Most people dont realize how hard is to deal with water damage. And it is not a normal flooding due to severe rain, to get that water out of there in the first place you have to rebuild the dam first. At this point Kherson might be the first abandoned modern day city . Well 2nd after Chernobyl. If it goes like that any longer ukies will be spent just by these recon in force attacks. 37th brigade, elites trained by west already got pounded (they are the guys with AMX-10 and Mastiffs.)
I'm genuinely starting to believe that North Korea is the one country that is the most prepared for a modern war, simply because modern war is trench warfare with better tanks and small arms than what people had back in 1917.
>>51748 You can say that this offensive has been going swimmingly for the Russians. >pic related are the hohols >>51764 I'd believe if it they can feed themselves without having to rely on Daddy Xi for Agricultural equipment and fertilizers. I mean am i the only one who remembered that they got themselves into a famine once USSR dissolved, and a famine so bad that the Worst Koreans even stepped in to help? >>51760 >Here are some video/photos of Leopards 2. UAF got all of these wunderwaffen and yet decided to ram them into Russian minefields and defenses. I mean to be fair, they got hit by a surgical artillery strike along with a Ka-52 if reports are to be believed. They were simply in the wrong place in the wrong time, but holy shit are they fucked lol. >this is all they can achieve after a full year of begging for NATO Eagerly looking forward to their any% of their F-16 getting downed.
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>>51762 Reports of the flood digging out bodies from cemeteries and carrying them all the way to the Black Sea is reported, allowing with other chemical and other polluters. >If it goes like that any longer ukies will be spent just by these recon in force attacks Ukrainans categorically refuse to call this anything other than probing attack, even tough they hit 100+ of various AFV/MBT/Vehicles knocked out by the Russians. It might be just a recon phase still, but it is a costly one. UAF advance is expected once the main mechanized thrust is committed, but Russians seem confident they'll be able to stop it, especially since UAF is yet to even come into contact with main Russian defense line. >>51766 >I mean to be fair, they got hit by a surgical artillery strike along with a Ka-52 if reports are to be believed. They were simply in the wrong place in the wrong time, but holy shit are they fucked lol. Some of them just hit a minefield then got combed over systematically by artillery according to the Russians. That being said, Ka-52 have definitely made significant contribution, videos out there of them plinking tank after tank from max range .
>>51768 I'm thankful to the Ukrainians for snatching all the American trash equipment that would probably be sold off to us instead. I pray they get more Bradleys soon.
>>51760 >I honestly don't know which one I'd prefer. With a carpet bombing you have to clean the debris from the surface but the foundations could still be usable after a quick structural analysis unless a crater is near which would need a compacted patch, with extended water damage you have to demolish, clean the debris and then dig out the foundations, demolish them and replace the soil near the holes to then compact it. This doesn't include the fact the roads have to be replaced too unless they were dirt-based, with hydraulic cement you have to demolish because it might soak and become crackled and wavy after the first sunny day, with asphalt the water will wash it away but maybe the inner part might still be usable as it is very compacted dirt. That's why tsunami damage is very extensive despite not really destroying much buildings by impact, also psychological impact due to having to demolish buildings that seemingly can still be used while a bombing just leaves nothing behind. >>51762 >Well 2nd after Chernobyl. Pretty sure there's a bunch others but certainly one that will be remember for a while. Another previous one was the resort city of Varosha, Cyprus (second pic related) which was a very affluent beach in Europe until the turkroaches invaded the island in the 70's on peak summer season and marked a line which passed in the middle of the beach, so place was suddenly abandoned and left as is with the common legend that there's still baggage left in the hotel rooms. From 40,000+ to 50 in a week, supposedly the roach opened the city in 2017 but only the nostalgic old people who were also roaches returned which means only 300 or something people live and loot since then, before that it was a no man's land. I knew about it because i read a famous footballer who very usually minded his business grabbed a northern cyprus flag for a celebration and later claimed "the beaches" were always turk so tons of press media supposedly went to his guts in eastern europe, but i guess it was a pander thing for him as he played for Istanbul's Galatasaray.
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>>51760 What a clusterfuck. I presume this is exemplary of the military state of the West today? >B-but they told me diversity is our greatest strength!111
>>51772 >Ukraine >the West The whole purpose of Putin's intervention is to secure a Slavic nation from transitioning into something it never was and never will be. The UAF are Slavs with Western toys.
>>51764 North Korea saw huge improvements in agriculture from changing from hand-farming to using farm equipment from the 40s. I somehow doubt they are equipped to handle any war longer than three months even if I think they could artillery-spike Seoul into rubble in a matter of hours.
>>51760 Why is their column so close together? Did they learn nothing from attacking the Russians doing the same shit in Kiev?
>>51769 I'd have rather the equipment gone to Greece since you're gonna need it when the Turks successfully take Cypress. It's a tragedy to see so much trash equipment go to waste in such a meaningless way. At least decommission it in a proper fight with proper tactics.
>>51768 I'm starting to think the Ukrainian plan is to intentionally dispose of as many vehicles as possible in "probing attacks" partially because they thought the Russians were bluffing and partially because if they can destroy enough of their own vehicles than they have an excuse to tell Western leaders they tried their best. I'm still not convinced that Ukraine's "main offensive" has happened yet because their attacks seem erratic and desperate. The only excuse I can come up with is that Zaluzhny for the playboy he was, was the only one holding the front lines together so his decommission due to head injury means that some fucktard nepotistic shitbiscuit is running the corral instead of a proper commander.
>>51779 Even if they replace the top guy, isn't it the responsibility of the officers and NCOs on the frontline to come up with tactics that are better than what France used in the 1790s, and instead of crashing to the enemy line in a single column they should try to clear minefields?
>>51772 I mean, this is the Ukrainian military who uses Shitscord voice chat servers to communicate with one another. All I can imagine is one of two scenarios. 1) These really are proving attacks and Vatniks are making a mountain out of a molehill. 2) With Zaluzhny out, there is nobody to keep Zelensky under control and level with the situation so we're going to HOI4 hell in a handbasket territories of incompetence. >>51780 The Ukrainians are still in Soviet format of command which is basically Peter the Great's strategies from the 1700s with Stalin's "adjustments" that make the whole thing inefficient in exchange for absolute loyalty to the upper brass. Upper officers are effectively nobility protected from blame, and lower officers care more about sniffing the upper officers' farts than about leading their men proper. NATO tried to stop this shit but you can't stop 300 years of command structure in a decade without rapid and drastic changes (which Zelensky would not allow because it would challenge his authority). Funnily enough you could say Putin's crowning achievement is breaking this military mindset within the Russian Federation. That is to say, the NCOs really are that bad and Ukraine is acting as if they're being lead by the dead spirit of Sir Douglas Haig.
>>51769 To be fair, I don't think Bradley's are bad per say, especialy the electronics suite, it's just that their usage here is absolutely dogshit. Further proof that modern armies still haven't figured out how to wage war against near pear opponent. >>51772 >>51777 >spearhead composed almost entirely out of western tech >goes absolutely nowhere, somehow does far worse than slavshit I think I'll be having fun mining salt in foreseeable future if this whole offensive thing remains a debacle. >>51779 >The only excuse I can come up with is that Zaluzhny for the playboy he was, was the only one holding the front lines together I honestly don't think Zaluzhny is much more than just a popular figurehead for the army. NATO general staff does pretty much all the palning and present it to Ukrainian high command. Lots of videos are coming in from the line of contact. Unfortunately, most are way to big to be posted on cafe. I wish we had higher size upload limit on videos here.
>>51782 >I wish we had higher size upload limit on videos here. It's the inverse paradox of running a server. If storage is cheap but internet is expensive on home computers, internet is cheap but storage is expensive for running a server. Site Owner has expressed he would like to increase the limits but he is unable to because of limited storage capacity and modular server options means he has to spend almost double what he spends now for increasingly smaller additional storage capacity. Pretty sure cafe uses like 80-90% of its storage capacity as it were.
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Kherson flood rescuers got shelled today
By now both sides showed us how not to storm a trenchline in the 21st century, but what would be the proper method? Suppress known enemy positions with precise artillery strikes, use those fancy rocket-propelled demining systems to clear a few paths, and then send in some unmanned ground vehicles to see what happens?
>>51713 that makes sense >>51718 indeed, that's what I was thinking >>51745 The idea is to put an anchor on your currency to keep it stable & reliable. Gold is the default historical example (alongside silver), but it's not limited to that by any means -- the issues you bring up could be at least be partially resolved by setting the standard to oil, a rare earth, or some other scarce/useful substance (eg spice on Arrakis). The main thing is to not use a renewable resource -- if money literally grew on trees, you'd get hyperinflation, like we're veering towards now with GAE's endless debt & printing of money. >>51766 Even though Russians are the right side, and hohols are serving the evil empire, I still get feels for the slavs. Born as serial numbers, to be expended in conflicts between empires, manipulated to believe that they're fighting for homeland and volk when they're really just pawns. It's also ironic that they call Russians orcs, while serving the forces of darkness as grunts & cannon fodder. >>51768 so not only flood waters, but also oil, chemicals, dead bodies, and mines. what an absolute shitfest >>51772 The bluepilled fags think "Ruzzia" wouldn't stand a chance against NATO. If this keeps escalating, the propaganda will get completely shattered, resulting in more salt than the mines of Soledar. I almost want it to happen at this point. >>51783 the 20mb limit is reasonable, sometimes I've had to break up longer vids or downscale them a bit, but most stuff fits. Hopefully I'm not taxing the server too much by sharing footage everytime I post.
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>>51764 >modern war is trench warfare with better tanks and small arms than what people had back in 1917 >what is heavy artillery >what are drones >what are comms >what is night vision Gonna be pretty rough in those trenches, I tell 'ya. There was that video of Russian infantry clearing out trenches mostly with grenades and a live video feed from a drone up above, latter was the force multiplier that made all the difference. Also multiple video of special forces trolling from the forests at night. too bad the threads got slid >>51776 >North Korea saw huge improvements in agriculture from changing from hand-farming to using farm equipment from the 40s. Wait, I thought that was to move their artillery around?? >>51766 >this offensive has been going swimmingly for the Russians. I see what you did there
>>51760 Did anyone inform Ukraine that maybe you shouldn't use human wave tactics with tank infantry?
>>51794 >what is heavy artillery Something missing from this conflict for the most parts. There are only a few 203mm guns, and I haven't heard anything about the 240mm mortars being used.
>>51786 The point of trenches is that they are absolute defense in any war, but they come at the cost of rending the land and making it economically unviable for years or decades following a war. Precision air strikes can get around the limitations trenches place on the attacker, however those are costly. At the end of the day it falls back on WWI tactics of timing suppressive fire with beeline approaches and then good old trench clearing. There is an alternative in the form of economic warfare (America's primary approach) and psychological warfare (China's primary approach), but you have to have the right situation for those to be effective. Ukraine has allies willing to prop up the economy even if they can't prop up the military, and a deep "cynical nationalism" that has them hating their enemies as if they were demon hordes, so it really comes back to good old infantry storming or dwindling down military supplies to nothing. Until Russia has the will to take heavy infantry losses they will not make progress. As soon as they accept those infantry losses as necessary, Ukraine's paper defense won't be able to hold. In the mean time if Ukraine continues to use up limited artillery they can keep the Russians held back, but that is just ceding time for territory when Ukraine should be ceding territory for time. What frustrates me the most, and I understand Ukraine has to put on a strong face to maintain popular support, but if they just ceded a little territory to fall back on better defense lines they could likely hold out for 2-3 years which would be enough time to restore their military into working order and make popular support for the war in Russia wane. Instead they insist on these Hollywood tactics that see them harassing Russians (making the war popular in Russia), and holding land at the cost of dooming their military short-term and their country long-term. I am not attacking the efficacy of their tactics since clearly they are "working" but that they have no long-term planning; it's all just reactionary strikes and defenses without real command structure.
>>51796 It got used early on, but it can't be moved fast enough so it ends up shitter-shattered by returning fire most of the time when used thanks to drones and computer trajectory calculations. Lancaster did a video following Russian artillery crews and the dudes basically set up shop, shoot, and get the fuck out in the course of 15 minutes tops (usually in the course of 4-8 minutes).
>>51783 Understandable. Shame about the limitatios, but we can't really complain. >>51795 They're making the same mistake Russians did last year. Only worse, since Russians have air superiority, something that Ukrainans never did. Russian lines report artillery preparation on their positions, much denser fire than in previous few days. Russians think that this might be UAF main thrust . Will update tomorrow is anything comes out of it.
>>51799 I pray the retards who make these videos with 200 decibel volume die the most god awful painful death physically possible.
>>51771 >with extended water damage you have to demolish, clean the debris and then dig out the foundations, demolish them and replace the soil near the holes to then compact it. That's not a given largely depends on the type of soil involved. Expansive soils will fuck shit up big time, likely crack the foundation unless it was engineered for it. But there are plenty of buildings around the world that survived repeated floods with minimal damage for decades and centuries, and I'm not just talking about stilt-type foundations designed specifically for that either. I wouldn't be surprised if that river delta is a natural flood plane anyway, I bet there are some old churches that have seen a flood or two dozen before. >psychological impact due to having to demolish buildings that seemingly can still be used You may be vastly overestimating 1) slavs' due diligence in the realm of building quality and 2) how amount of fucks being given seeing some of those demolished is probably more of a relief than distressing
>>51762 >Are mines really that buoyant/floaty? >Well we are about to find out. Let's hope they all wash up on snake island and that it's all part >>51778 >I'd have rather the equipment gone to Greece since you're gonna need it when the Turks successfully take Cypress. >Heavy armor and vehicles to assault an island Yeah, OK, sure, why the fuck not. this is clown world after all >>51781 >so we're going to HOI4 hell in a handbasket territories of incompetence. does that mean we may see another series of assaults on snake island?
>>51801 >depends on the type of soil involved Yes, taking into consideration the relatively soft terrain Ukraine's plains have i assumed they would be the black soil that grows almost anything you throw at it but also the one that is hard to lay a foundation without going deep or using a slab. >buildings around the world that survived repeated floods with minimal damage Stone-based foundations made by smart minds and laid in rocky places, i also think they can survive a dam breaking but the usual 70's/80's mass constructions that used cyclopean concrete as foundations (multi-storied slabs aka block foundation) and which may or may not have a protective undercover made with cheap cement are another story, those i don't think can survive 7 days underwater and in the kind of soil that is easily irrigated. I am going with the basis that Croatian anon said about slav construction back in 8/pol/ which is very similar to the usual latin american concrete construction which is a clone of European concrete construction pre-postmodernism (before 1967-69), perhaps Ukraine has different systems but being a former USSR entity that relied on quick but durable construction i assume they too used concrete-in-a-hole foundational systems. I am also focusing on foundations because those are the most costly and crucial part of a building, the "shell" or outer part is mostly cosmetic in the modern way of building shit bare some exceptions and also few can withstand 7 days of being inside a lake, the only i can think of is filled block, double brick layer and rammed earth and this latter mostly because it deeply encases the columns and can be fixed relatively easy if you have the specialists which are very rare sadly. >wouldn't be surprised if that river delta is a natural flood plane Extremely often the case, water "has memory" and will travel the easiest way always. The usual Wiki says Kherson was founded on the high bank only and expanded downwards in soviet times so this is probably the case of commies thinking they were bigger than nature. >1) If they build like most concrete-based societies do then they are okay, the problem with concrete is picking a place that can withstand the weight which is nowhere near a water flow according to anyone who should've studied construction and almost no one who decides places to use studied anything related >2) lel, some of the pre-fab places anon explained after a missile fell in one do shine light on their butt-ugly nature
>>51799 >the Cossacks still exist You magnificent bastards.
>>51760 Why did the Ukrainians drive into certain death? Seems like an absolutely retarded way to conduct war.
>>51760 >>51689 Tucker's 2nd episode was really cucky. He really has gone to shit. Maybe he thinks he has to cuck more because everything is more leftist but then what is the point?
>>51768 Why is Ukraine attacking where Russia's defenses are the strongest? I recall there being an area East of there only one layer deep.
>>51803 >the black soil that grows almost anything you throw at it but also the one that is hard to lay a foundation without going deep or using a slab. That's chernozem and yeah it's no good for load bearing, given that it holds a lot of moisture frost heave will likely cause problems long before the flood events though. There's no way high rises would be sitting on it for one it's typically <1m deep (maybe 2m tops) so even basic site prep and leveling would get rid of that, and it's actually a valuable commodity that can be sold at profit (and what slav can resist that?) >Extremely often the case, water "has memory" and will travel the easiest way always. Hmm so typical delta sand and silt soils? Even better! (not really) >probably the case of commies thinking they were bigger than nature. To be fair that dam seemed to be doing A-OK without deliberate sabotage.
>>51779 >I'm still not convinced that Ukraine's "main offensive" has happened yet because their attacks seem erratic and desperate. The offensive is against our intelligence and it's in full swing.
>>51802 >spoiler <CNN:GHOST OF KYIV STRIKES AGAIN BY SWIMMING TO SNAKE ISLAND AND GORILLA WARFARING THE DEFENDERS. >>51798 Movement issues I can't wait to see a 203 modified with a Russian version of the Bikan autoloader. Can you imagine the fun of 15 203mm rounds raining down on you in less than a minute?
>>51816 >Can you imagine the fun of 15 203mm rounds raining down on you No, it's strictly a once in a lifetime experience.
>>51805 Apparently the commander of that Western tank unit is only 28.
>>51819 >Only 28 To be fair, in the old days you got a lot more responsibility earlier on in life. If you grabbed a US college student off the streets now and into basic they'd probably try to frag their DI and fail because they couldn't pin pull properly. >>51818 >Once in a lifetime C'mon now mann, the CIA is gonna make everyone believe in reincarnation so they can send more men to the grinder.
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>>51805 Better question is - why the fuck did they do that 3 more times? After the first attempt, which was a prepared attack at night utilizing advanced western night vision. Attack which began with throwing all sorts of artillery and rocketry avaiable to ukrainians from mortars to storm shadows to fire bombs at the trenches. Then led by top tier demining equipment protecting armored column. And after it was repelled they tried to do the same thing TWO FUCKING TIMES but without preparation and all force multiplayers. Around 50% of sent leos reportedly might be already lost, none managed to fire a single shot. >>51799 And these after close examination turned out to be newest leos and bradleys. >>51802 >does that mean we may see another series of assaults on snake island? Thats effectively what Belgorod raids are - throwing lives of your elite soldiers away for likes on tiktok
>>51822 Mind you reportedly means taking russian mod at face value.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230607174605/https://www.theepochtimes.com/in-depth-us-munitions-stockpile-too-low-to-defend-in-war-over-taiwan_5309368.html >In the 15 months since, the United States has spent tens of billions of dollars giving Zelenskyy and embattled Ukraine just that. Now, officials say, the nation has depleted its own stores of critical munitions so severely that it would likely be incapable of fighting a major war. >Army Secretary Christine Wormuth has said that the United States’ munitions production capacity is pushed to the “absolute edge.” >Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley has said that the nation “has a long ways to go” to replenish its sorely depleted stockpiles. >One unnamed Pentagon official allegedly told the Wall Street Journal that the nation’s stores of critical artillery rounds were “uncomfortably low” as early as August of last year. >The Pentagon declined to provide an update to the Epoch Times on the status of its current munition stockpiles, with one spokesperson saying that providing any specifics on the matter could jeopardize “operational security.” >The spokesperson suggested, however, that the United States was making great strides in rebuilding what had been lost. >“Of note, the department has enabled a rapid increase in 155mm ammo production, from approximately 14,000 a month in February 2022 to over 20,000 a month more recently, with plans to produce more than 70,000 a month in 2025,” the spokesperson told the Epoch Times. >“This represents a 500 percent increase.” >There’s just one problem with the Pentagon’s rosy outlook on its quickly dwindling stockpiles: Even with a 500 percent increase in production by 2027, the nation would still only be halfway to keeping afloat. >That’s because, by the end of August of last year, the United States had already sent just over 800,000 155mm artillery rounds to Ukraine. That number has since increased to more than two million, according to a fact sheet provided to the Epoch Times by the Pentagon. >That’s a rate of more than 130,000 rounds per month. Nearly twice as much as the proposed production rate of 70,000 that the Pentagon hopes to achieve in five years.
>>51822 I wonder how they managed to get immobilized in a minefield when they literally have a BMR-2 mine clearing vehicle with them. Did they just drive by it in the hopes there's no mines?
>>51827 maybe the got engaged from extended range, tried to circle wagons to protect their mine clearing vic and then got pulled apart by artillery and atgms?
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>>51827 Its simple, it got taken out first by Wichr missile. See last webm in >>51799 . The column had no chances of turning back. Using multiple mine plows would not work since these were American FWMPs, which work by throwing the dirt (and mines) to the sides of the leading vehicle, so there would be still strips of mined land in the gaps between vehicles.
>>51822 Dubs >Throwing lives of your elite soldiers for likes on tiktok Look at it this way, at least if they die quickly now to guarantee ukraine defeat in a year or less, then this war won't last to 5+ years and really genocide the ukrainians faster than the (((west))) already will thus their sacrifice will save ukraine, if they had the smart idea to try and give their lives to killing zelensky that sacrifice would be even greater but oh well
>>51779 >and partially because if they can destroy enough of their own vehicles than they have an excuse to tell Western leaders they tried their best moar gibbs pls.** FTFY Strelok. If you haven't figured out this is a giant kike shell game yet, then it's time to open your eyes.
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>>51816 >Can you imagine the fun of 15 203mm rounds raining down on you in less than a minute? No, but I can imagine the fun of them raining down on you. >>51818 >
>>51825 translation: >Send moar gibbs nao plox! >t. ur bestie, Greater Jerusalem MIC. <333
>>51781 Why would they waste so much of their limited amount of heavy western armor in probing attacks? that just doesn't make sense. I think this is the main offensive, but since it's failed miserably so far they won't admit it is. It's still early though.
>>51805 >>51808 The main Ukrainian hope of inficting a decisive defeat on Russian Army was to cut its main supply rute and split its forces. The only realistic way to do that was to deny land bridge to Crimea and split Russian forces piecemeal by driving a wedge trough Zaporozhie and reaching the Black Sea trough Melitopol and ultimately Berdyansk. There simply is no alternative for UAF, it's not like they can afford long slog over land at Donetsk or Luhansk. Russians knew that and prepared accordingly. What nobody expected is that it would go this badly for UAF, after they spent months hyping up western hardware and training, only for all of it to disintegrate upon the first contact with determined Russian line. So far, they haven't even had any tangible tactical succes, let alone operational. >>51822 >And these after close examination turned out to be newest leos and bradleys. Which makes it that much more funny. >>51835 You can't say your offensive failed if you never acknowledge it started in the first place. They can always write this off as an un authorized independent action by the local scapegoat commander. Reports of UAF changing its tactics and using exclusively infantry in frontal assaults now.
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>>51836 >Reports of UAF changing its tactics and using exclusively infantry in frontal assaults now.
>>51528 Ecclesiastes 9 - 11 "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after." Of course they're similar, anon. Current events are as much of a prophesy of the future as they are current events, because history is cyclical. And all things have an illusion of being new, because the knowledge of the things of old are destroyed, forgotten, or not remembered to begin with. As for Revelations, it is also an old thing, for it is a continuation of the Prophetic books of the Old Testament. Nevertheless these are not the end times. There is not yet a kingdom with rule over all of the world, which is as weak in one half of its parts as it is strong in the other half of its parts, because halfwit mixed breeds run and populate the kingdom. The Third Temple of Jerusalem is not yet built. The Word of God is not yet published, and believed, if only for a moment, amongst all of the nations. Neither is there a false "King" claiming to be the Christ, with literal miracles to back up their claim. And so chill out.
>>51837 How will they blame Russia for this?
>>51830 >Mine clearing That's a M1150 ABV right? From kikepedia: >Its first large scale use by the US Marines was in the joint ISAF-Afghan Operation Moshtarak in Southern Afghanistan during the War in Afghanistan Well that explains the design issues of not being combat survivable when your enemy can't shoot back. The Russians are using the IRM-2 (T-72) or the UR-77 (2S1) with mine clearing charges. Supposedly there's an IRM-3 based off the T-90 but I've never seen one. I wonder if the Russian one throws to the front or side? >Pincers Have they not built a leo2 version for that yet or was KMW/Rheinmetall pulling a repeat famous protracted German wunderwaffe development again? >>51836 >Split forces I wonder if someone at RU general staff was reminded Operation Citadel Cough the three layered defensive belt and extensive mines?. This one seems to be a one prong attack so the holhols better step up their game before they get their shit pushed in on the RU counteroffensive. To be honest I had no hopes for a "miracle on the Dnieper", it's easier to defend than attack, and if they couldn't stop the Crimean blyatskrieg out of a god damn peninsula where three sides are water then they 100% deserve this shitshow. I guess instead of banning Z they should be banning O for southern forces in Crimea instead.
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>>51799 >>51822 Slava Ukrain-ACK!
>>51841 I love how one of them decided to do an U turn.
>>51844 Poor training I guess, though probably easy to panic when someones picking you off with missiles like that in the middle of a minefield.
The Russians should have (re)named one of their drones or missiles to Slava, and the slava ukraini would have a very different meaning.
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>>51844 They didn't seem to be aware of their abilities to reverse
>>51841 leaked footage of the M2 Bradley Platoon ambush from the Ukrainian POV https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dz95HTTQ5oU
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>>51837 Honestly? It's probably their best strategy if they can use artillery to sufficiently suppress Russian positions. Obviously it would lead to more casulties, but warm bodies is one thing UAF has plenty of, unlike other hardware and Russians might be hard pressed to stop massed assault because they wouldbe outnumbered due to force concentration. I'm not talking about human wave in its WW1 form, but significan force infiltration and small team tactics but on large scale.Good luck with CASEVAC though >>51840 It's Russian standard defensive doctrine since Soviet times. First line is considered as temporary position to be used as artillery spotters and abandoned if it becomes unattainable. Second and third line is the real meat of the defense and layered minefield and pre sighted artillery between each layers with mobile reserves in the rear supported by attack helicopters. Set up and executed competently ,it's nigh impenetrable short of nuking it. Modern tech such as recon and suicide drones make it even harder to breach. Not set up and executed poorly and you get to be laughing stock like in Kharkov a year back. >>51841 My God, it gets even worse. >>51845 I wouldn't say poor training, there's a video of POV of Bradley during the same assault. The moment Bradley got hit and knocked out in front of them, the desant troops acted competently, deployed smoke and attempted evacuation. But training dont help much when you're in the middle of killing field with your pants down. Plus, it's probably the 47th brigade that lead the assault, which is was considered elite among UAF and received best training and gear.
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>>51848 So two of them have M16s with M203 grenade launchers, and the third one has an AK variant with something under the barrel that I assume to be a Pallad. Is it normal to give grenade launchers to everyone, and to mix weapons like this within the same squad? I don't want to come to any great conclusions, but I assume they were prepared to actually use those weapons to clear trenches, and they mixed in the Pallad because it was at hand and they somehow didn't have enough M203s.
>>51849 >Training Fair enough, there's not enough room to maneuver in a minefield (especially if there's antipersonnel mixed in) >Force infiltration So kinda like China in the Korean war but with actual armor? >Standard doctrine It's kinda funny how Crimean forces seem to be the best performing so far of the RFAF, I am not sure if this is because the UAF wasn't "contesting" Kherson, or if the entire command structure down there is actually staffed with non retards. >47th That's quite the interesting choice reversal. Soviet doctrine would to be to drag out a fight on the entire front, and then try to break through with elite forces at concentrated (preferably weak), followed by blyatkrieg. I wonder if the the UAF forces had enough intel by the west to pinpoint the weak points assuming this isn't just glow pressure to attack Crimea. Time will see if this is the right move but so far, not looking so good. >>51850 >Pallad If it is pallad, probably because Poland wanted M203 and didn't want the pallad as they are the only user. I think GP launcher is more likely. Vog-25 is not compatible with pallad as it is caseless. Man it must suck to be the guy in charge of logistics in the brigade. Bradley's, leos, aks, m16s, the different grenade types...
>>51836 >Lancet destroys another Leopard 2, music.mov It didn't destroy it. It hit the smoke grenade launchers which is what that white smoke we're seeing is. If it managed to get any deeper then it only damaged some batteries and the fire extinguisher system
>>51851 >So kinda like China in the Korean war but with actual armor? Artillery superiority still remain the absolute trump card for the Russians, one way for Ukrainians to mitigate it is to get as close as possible by using their advantage in western supplied NV/IR. Obviously this is much easier said than done, but it did show success in the past in Kherson and Kharkov. Russians have started adapting though, so how much of an advantage UAF still has in recon is unknown. >It's kinda funny how Crimean forces seem to be the best performing so far of the RFAF, I am not sure if this is because the UAF wasn't "contesting" Kherson, or if the entire command structure down there is actually staffed with non retards. There was also the fact Russians had payed off several Ukrainan commanders in the beginning of the war, which is why Crimean-Kherson bridgehead crumbled so rapidly. I don't think Ukrainans have any chances of ever regaining Crimea back. >Soviet doctrine would to be to drag out a fight on the entire front, and then try to break through with elite forces at concentrated (preferably weak), followed by blyatkrieg. I wonder if the the UAF forces had enough intel by the west to pinpoint the weak points Impossible to say for now, situation can still unexpectedly develop, but if UAF backs off I'd say it was failed attempt at Scwerpunkt-like tactics. Ukrainians might try to spin it as irrelevant attack, but it doesn't make sense as to why would they use top shelf stuff for recon in force. >>51853 I stand corrected then, thanks strelok. It appears that UAF has also launched an attack around Bakhmut. Video from Russian source.
>11 Hungarian members of the UAF who ended up as POWs were transferred to Hungary All the sources are in Hungarian and Ukrainian, but it looks like the whole thing is a stunt of the Russian orthodox church, and they want to show the members of the Hungarian minority that they can give up and survive this conflict just fine.
>>51799 Russian in the first vid looks a little tubby. Glad to see the Cossacks making the most of a shitty situation. >>51836 This is just sad. It's not even that the equipment is "bad" necessarily just that they are throwing it at the front lines without any tactics at all. It's as if they thought the Russians were lying about everything (or believed everything NATO was telling them).
>>51825 This sounds like an attempt at disarming US gun owners by saying "We don't have enough weapons please send us yours". I wonder if they'll be dumb enough to fall for it.
>>51848 >bradey drives into line of fire >hits mine, much smoke >gunner fires huge burst into smoke where his buddies are Seems an odd thing to do.
>>51855 >using their advantage in western supplied NV/IR >success in the past in Kherson and Kharkov Any specific examples? I mostly recall UAF kinda just rolling through the Kharkov area with hardly any resistance because RuAF simply retreated due to lack of manpower, this was pre mobilization. Kherson was similarly an organized retreat (albeit for different reasons). This time both sides are putting in an earnest effort to hold onto territory. Like you said going to be interesting to see how it pans out. >>51859 >We don't have enough weapons please send us yours How many 155mm shell do you figure We The People are hoarding?
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All of the Crimean artifacts belongs to Ukraine ruled the Dutch Supreme Court. The Allard Pierson Museum must transfer all Crimean artifacts to the State of Ukraine. https://archive.is/QpAtr https://archive.is/i2p7f
>>51858 >Russian in the first vid looks a little tubby. Glad to see the Cossacks making the most of a shitty situation. Gotta hand it to them, they were the first to volunteer and first to jump into fight, since 2014 till today, even though they were historically given short end of a stick , especially by commies. At least modern day Russia is attempting to ameliorate that. Russia doesn't deserve such guys. >This is just sad. It's not even that the equipment is "bad" necessarily just that they are throwing it at the front lines without any tactics at all. They made the same mistakes now that Russians did in the year prior. There probably was a plan but plan didn't survive the first contact with the enemy. I wonder if they expected Russians to just underman the line and roll over. >>51863 >Any specific examples? The significant contributing factor for Russias pulling out of Kherson and Kharkov was that they were stretched very thin on the front line while simultaneously playing whack-a-mole with Ukrainan SOF that had easy time infiltrating trough their porous defenses at night using NVG etc ,raiding their supply lines and acting as artillery spotters for guided munitions, hitting Russian ammo/supply dumps. Patrick Lancaster reports that Russians have managed to retrieve at least one Leopard 2 tanks and are allegedly already transferring it back home. Waiting for confirmation.
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>>51868 the ukros are claiming counteroffensive actions towards Avdiivka today but it just seems like small skirmishes with little to no advances, also Avdiivka itself has been shelled all day by the Russians. The ukrainains are constantly sending arty pieces and new equipment to Chasiv Yar
>>51866 Give us your gold teeth too, goyim!
F Uncle Ted >>51863 >How many 155mm shell do you figure We The People are hoarding? These are the questions we want to know about.
>>51870 >Urgently. Zaporozhye and Donetsk front. Reports NgP exploration >The losses forced the enemy to drastically adjust their plans: The reserves deployed in the Krivoy Rog, Sumy, Kharkov directions are being transferred. >Enemy reserves go to : >1). settlements Gornyak, Kurakhovka, Krasnogorovka, Staromikhaylovka, Marinka; >2) settlements of Nevelskoye, Pervomayskoye, Vodyanoye. >3) n.p. Dzerzhinskoye, at least 2 brigades were deployed in the direction of Mayorsk and Gorlovka. >The reserves go through the Kramatorsk-Slavyansk transport hub, entering each direction in the Zaporozhye and Donetsk regions to reinforce the existing groupings. >For the current groupings, it is currently established: >According to the strategic plan of the enemy, it is planned to push through the front line of defense along the Nesteryanka-Novoselovka line and to the south, with the forces of four brigades: 65 Ombr, 128 Obr, 108 Obr, 15 Obr NSU), and provide a bridgehead for the introduction of the main forces of the strike force. >The main strike force is also aimed at the Orekhov - Tokmak - Melitopol direction , the advance is planned to be ensured by 10 AK forces, the main shock fist should be: 115, 116, 117, 118 ombr, which we talked about earlier. >A flank strike is planned in the direction Malaya Tokmachka - Berdyansk , with the forces of 82 odshbr, 71 oembr, and 46 oambr, with the task of seizing control on the line of the settlement of Urozhaynoye, Novopoltavka, Semyonovka. Task: Covering the left flank of the main group. >In the future, it is planned to conduct raid operations as part of battalion-tactical groups with the forces of: 46 detachments and 1 Special Forces "Azov" in the directions of the settlement of Mordvinovka, Novovasilevka, Botieva. >Objective: to capture the frontier along the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov Stepanovka the first, Botievo and prevent the landing of amphibious assault forces of the RF Armed Forces. >The forces of the main offensive grouping up to 12 brigades (47, 66, 115, 116, 117, 118 OMBR, 128 OGSHBR, 108 OBTR, 15 OBRON NGU, 82 ODSHBR, 71 OEBR, 46 OEMBR) >In total, for the offensive operation, including reserves (including brigades of marines, as well as units located in the Kryvyi Rih direction, included in the single plan of the operation in the Zaporozhye direction), at the moment the enemy has prepared: >Manpower - up to 56 thousand people (68 battalions) >Tanks - up to 350. >AFV of all types - up to 1000 >Field artillery guns and mortars - up to 500. >MLRS - up to 140 units. >(From these figures it is necessary to subtract the number of those destroyed in recent days) >The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is carrying out information sabotage, spreading information that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are finally bogged down due to lack of funds to continue the offensive operation. Under no circumstances can this information be trusted, it is designed to weaken the vigilance of the RF Armed Forces, the enemy has more than enough forces. >The enemy will throw everything he has into battle, regardless of losses, you must use this to inflict critical damage on him. Taken off Russian telegram, they seem to have taps on what's happening with the UAF, There has also been the attack at Bakhmut ,Avdiivka area has been stingy with information so I have no idea whats happening there.
Business Insider is claiming Ukrainian spies have audio of a phone call "proving Russia blew up the dam" but refuses to share it. It can safely be assumed that no such audio exists but worth mentioning.
The Hill is also reporting that Zelensky just passed a new round of censorship laws to stop the news from reporting on the war. Reuters reporting that France is sending a bunch of angry phone calls to Iran because the drones keep blowing up the shit they're helping push in Ukraine. Normalfags have started noticing the nazi symbols on Ukrainian vehicles. Couple different outlets reporting on a train derailment in Belgorod to distract from the offensive. Zelensky has officially admitted that this is an offensive after the first signs of "break-throughs" (falling into a Russian trap) according to the BBC. Canada allegedly started seizing Russian cargo jets around various airports without due process. Alexander Bastrykin (head of Russian investigative committee) claiming he is close to having the proofs necessary to file a criminal probe in international courts over American biolabs in Ukraine. Trudeau went to queef according to Canadian broadcasting. Bloomberg is claiming that if this offensive doesn't go right, then China will invade Taiwan lol. DoD is reporting that they have agreed to fund SpaceX after Muskan bitched about the bandwidth costs again. also according to Bloomberg. Euromaidan Press is using Russian footage of striking Ukrainian positions and claiming that it's actually Ukrainian drone footage attacking Russian positions lol. New tactic to try and force NATO involvement seems to be claims that Russia is bombing breadlines (where? shut up, you bigot!) Asia times reporting that the Ukrainian war is stabilizing the Chinese Yuan in hedge bets against the US dollar. Dugin saying that Ukraine should cease to exist on Russian media. Korea set to begin supplying oil and natural gas to Jamaica in the wake of unsustainable fuel prices according to Jamaican prime minister. Hindustan times reporting that the food shortages are about to get a lot worse. Allegedly Ukrainians managed to get a missile strike in on a military headquarters in Kherson region 130km from the front lines.
>>51875 Thanks Strelok. Any chance you can provide links next time? Helps with archiving sources, etc.
Wtf? I knew the Ukrainians wouldn't break through layered Russian defenses, but I wasn't expecting this much of a fiasco. Even allowing for fuckups like at Vuhledar, that still doesn't explain why they're bunched together and not applying proper tactics at all. I wonder how many shekels tax dollars from paypigs citizens were burnt up in this attempt, which is playing out like dumb AI on easy mode. >>51850 >and to mix weapons like this within the same squad? I recall a video a few months back with Russians looting Ukrainian dead, and one of them had an ar15 alongside an rpg7. It seems that mixing & matching systems is common in the AFU. >>51874 pretty much anything like that can be written off as propaganda. >>51820 >To be fair, in the old days you got a lot more responsibility earlier on in life. this is true. I'd read about these history dudes, and they'd be composing symphonies and commanding armies in their early 20s and shit. Living under present-day ZOG seems to have a stultifying effect. >>51867 The Cossacks were and are chads. >>51872 >F Uncle Ted RIP to one of the great philosophers of our times. also, a sizeable chunk of Russian footage consists of artillery/drone/rocket strikes, so I'm trying to vary it with other kinds of videos.
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>>51875 >Normalfags have started noticing the nazi symbols on Ukrainian vehicles.
>>51878 I think it's just the elite prepping the masses for the dumping of Ukraine like an unwanted 3 day old infant into a dumpster.
>>51879 Ukrops didn't deserve this, plenty of them tried to stop this madness and got cia'd by their own governement, never forget these are all just brother wars >>51877 Nice dubs
History Legends had a good summary video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0iEe0nfWAo Key takeaways: >Air superiority decided this battle >The bunched up tanks probably thought they were in cover when they were being stalked by anti-tank infantry crews >Ukrainians probably sent in territorial defense conscripts as cannon fodder to discover Russian positions >Russians retook lost territory for once >First confirmed German Leopard IIs lost >Russians seem to have reorganized the conscripted military into autonomous divisions who can make decisions in real-time on their own without a commissioned officer's input >Ukrainian command seems to be reactive even if using human wave tactics >Ukrainian command seems to lack mortars >Assaulting Ukrainian brigades have likely lost about 25% of their forces in this offensive
>>51882 >RFAF reorganized conscripts Surely the conscripts themselves aren't running the entire show? Perhaps they shifted some experienced NCOS and junior COs? >UAF no mortars Given the (lack) of emphasis placed by the US on mortars that doesn't surprise me.
It's funny to see just how many normalfags are surprised by how this war is fought. They truly did believe that the future of warfare was going to be like Afghanistan. What is interesting however is that it would seem that many military higher-ups are surprised too and I don't understand why. There is nothing that would suggest that this war would be any different. I'm starting to think that arms manufacturers are better strategists than most modern generals.
>>51870 Fuck Zaporoże direction Awdiewka will be the real shit. Ukrainians have no hope of breaking through the lines, but russians also cannot leave the defences and pursue after attackers are deplated... Unless they sweep from different direction. >>51877 >that still doesn't explain why they're bunched together and not applying proper tactics at all. Well when you are in the middle of a minefield and cannot reverse using wrecks of friendly vehicles for extra (any) protection of your flanks is probably the best thing you can do.
>>51884 Watch this video from 2016 and tell me how much they talk about trenchlines and artillery strikes in it.
>>51886 The script reads like it was a group project by some military-focused subreddit. Somebody got paid thousands of dollars to write all this absolute shite.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiCp-jgeypY Apparently the reservoir around Nikopol has dried out and may be crossable soon. Ukrainians have taken the first line of Russian defenses and formed a bridgehead nicknamed "Bradley square" by the Russians (understood to be the artillery spotter line), and took some border towns around Blahodatne. We'll see if it advances into anything past that. Nothing definitive yet but it's the first sign of Ukrainians accomplishing something. Ukrainians seem to be preparing to launch an attack on Artyomovsk. AD23 begins tomorrow and ends in about two weeks so we'll see if America kicks off WWIII in that timeframe since they have an army's worth of jets in Europe and a history of turning military exercises into full-blown conflict.
>>51886 Wait, so ever growing cities are le bad? No no no no you won't take my avocado toasts from me!!
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>Zaporozhye front. >Vremievsky performance. Reports NgP exploration >As of the morning of 11.06, the enemy was successful in the offensive in the direction of the Neskuchnoe - Blagodatnoe settlement, and occupied these settlements Also, according to the data on the morning of June 11, the enemy occupied the Levadnoe settlement. >Information about the occupation of the Lobkovoe settlement by the enemy - stuffing, after repeated attempts to gain a foothold in the territory of the settlement and suffered losses, the enemy forces left this settlement and retreated deep into the gray zone. >Summing up: after pulling up the reserves, the enemy resumed attempts to liquidate the "Vremievsky ledge" with renewed vigor, while, without further advance to the south, it is unprofitable for the enemy to hold these positions for a long time, therefore, as in recent days, control over some settlements on the line of contact will pass from one side to the other more than once. So far only few frontline outpost-villages have been taken by UAF after switching their tactics to infantry rushes. Even some sources within Ukrainan army are complaining at the slow rate of advance and mounting casulties. I dont think current rate if advance is sustainable for UAF for long, especially since they're yet to reach proper Russian defenses. Time will tell tough. Will update later as situation develops.
>>51897 Looking at weeb's map, it would appear as if the Russians are "leading" them along the lowlands near the river. It will be interesting to see if Ukraine makes a breakthrough or just loses more soldiers in a field. Red lines indicate defensive lines: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1ncAC1Cts8YicnmxR2BIYvPFnxG5V5ZY
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>>As of the morning of 11.06, the enemy was successful in the offensive in the direction of the Neskuchnoe - Blagodatnoe settlement >>51897 video related
>>51902 >hit indicators >everyone has at least slightly different equipment >soldiers are fighting to raise flags That strelok was right, it really is like an FPS game.
Yevgeny Prigozhin will not obey the new degree set by Shoigu to sign Wagner volunteers over to the military. Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov said the purpose of the decree was to give volunteer formations legal status and that volunteers can continue to sign contacts with mercenary groups as long as they sign with the ministry. https://archive.is/LT2bJ
>>51905 How long until the Big Boss Prigozhin finally snaps and assassinates Shoigu?
>>51884 A lot of generals expected World War 2 to be like World War 1. We're not good at predicting the future of warfare.
>>51906 >bumping off shotgun Never because Putin won’t let him because he’s too afraid of getting couped outa power. >>51902 This was the battlefield video game we all dreamed of except with more artillery.
>>51892 Holy shit I stopped watching him for some time and the production value of his vidoes really improved. Good for him! >>51902 The only thing that matters is piercing the actual trench line. As far as I know the 2nd line is protected by anti-infantry mines too so the current ukrainian tactics will be very... evocative.
>>51907 The main difference was that by the end of ww1 they had the tools and tactics to break through a defensive line and then exploit that breakthrough. Add in 2 decades of technological development and industrialization, and ww2 was a game where a defensive line was breached at multiple points, then the whole front moved quite a bit due to motorization until a new line was established. And that was not that different from what was going on in the eastern front of ww1, just with more tanks and trucks involved. The real problem is that after ww1 way too many people were fixated on the trench warfare of the western front, not realizing that it was not the whole war.
>>51905 On one hand, this solves the Russian legal issue about domestic mercenaries being illegal quietly. On the other hand, Prigozhin has a point about the MoD already threatening to court marshal Wagner PMC for not participating in suicide missions and this would give them the legal clout to actually do so. Wagner would do best to refuse to sign any such agreement, get removed from the front lines, and let the Russian MoD crumple for a few months before they beg Wagner to come back. They've got missions in Sudan and Syria to earn money off of anyways.
>>51910 Hindsight is 20/20
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Update UAF offensive is still ongoing, it has been checked at several attack directions, but managed to advance in other. Russians report that UAF owes a lot of its success today to bad weather, which keeps Russian drones from spotting for air and artillery targets, however they also say that this is keeping UAF to using lowland roads and not fields which are soaked from rain which anon >>51901 pointed out, this enables Russians to pretty much eyeball their artillery. Other than that, combat actions are also reported around Bakhmut, Shebekino, Mariinka and Avdiivka. Form observing point, Russian Army looks like an entirely different beast than one in Kharkov, so far it has resisted significan concentrated push by UAF and even immediately counter attacked and beat Ukrainan forces back on several occasions, like at Novodonetskoe, denying UAF flanking actions and destroying a lot of equipment, pic related. >>51905 >>51911 This is incredibly dangerous and stupid move by Shoigu. Wagner is a 'PMC' only in name due to legal reasons, it is an actual standing army, somewhere around 40.000 strong troops and non combatants(?), with its own airforce and tank companies. The only thing it lacks is manufacturing base that keeps it supplied with hardware and ordnance. While I don't think Prigozhin will ever go against interest of Russia as a whole, Wagner becoming insubordinate is probably worse case scenario for Russia. Prigozhin said they have enough contract around world and especialy in Africa to keep it fully funded. The man grinded Wagner in Bakhmut mostly on good will and sense of duty to the state, which I don't know if it's admirable or stupid.
>>51913 >Russian Army looks like an entirely different beast than one in Kharkov Don't they have shorter supply lines from Crimea in the South?
>>51884 I mean no shit, most of them take their daily dose of propaganda from Pro-Nato channels who clamor on about the superiority of UAF over the RuAF, hell some of them have this minor meme of Russia being the 2nd strongest army in Belgorod ever since the ebic meme raid a few weeks back. Of course they get dumbfounded once they realize that the Hohols get their teeth kicked in once they make the same mistakes the Russians did. >>51897 I'm surprised that they still kept going after the horrendous losses they suffered in the past few days. PR wise has been a total nightmare for the Ukie side since they want to keep a tight lid on everything and they simply can't deny that they did lose those shiny new toys NATO gave them for a blunder. >Form observing point, Russian Army looks like an entirely different beast than one in Kharkov, so far it has resisted significan concentrated push by UAF and even immediately counter attacked and beat Ukrainan forces back on several occasions, like at Novodonetskoe, denying UAF flanking actions and destroying a lot of equipment, pic related. Well, Russia has been gaining ground after the costly victory of Bakhmut so it's possible that they don't want another Kharkov to happen again right under their noses. >>51914 Of course, but even then they still managed to ward off the Ukranian attacks for months on end with HIMARs breaking the only bridge out every week or so. Retreating Kherson is definitely a good call instead of having them slug it out like in Bakhmut without any hope of reinforcement. While in Kharkov, they were caught with their pants down and were handed one of the most one-sided defeats in this war so far because they haven't even began to set up their defense lines yet.
>>51915 >I'm surprised that they still kept going after the horrendous losses they suffered in the past few days. Shouldn't be surprising when we have reached peak WW1-tier when the Ukranian leadership say sacrifices are necessary for victory, and for the populace to be ready for it. Point is, high losses seem to only be a validation that the soldiers are doing their job and pushing against Russian lines.
>>51880 yes indeed >>51885 I guess, but you'd think they'd be able to clear more mines to get more breathing room. It also helps to have air support & anti-air capabilities during a major offensive. They seem to see their troops as expendable, but maybe that's the point. It's also ironic to see Ukraine acting the way "Ruzzia" does in the fantasy propaganda war, with human waves and self-destructive tactics. Speaking of which, pic related is the latest propaganda; I believe most of these figures are multiplied 10x. >>51907 ie fighting the last war >>51915 My impression of Kharkov is that the Russians had undermanned tripwire defenses there, which were not designed to hold under a sustained advance. They traded away that territory, while scoring casualties on the Ukrainians the whole way, trusting in geography to contain the advance.
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>>51897 >map of Ukraine is in tranny flag colors Yeah that fits.
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heh.
Maybe sometime this century modern armies will learn that SHORADs is as important for the ground forces as CIWS is for ships
As far as I know, the counteroffensive had already begun, but brought nothing. If this continues, perhaps by the end of the year we will have signed a peace treaty.
>>51921 >MORE! SEND MORE! CONJURE THEM EX NIHILO! Literal "vegetables come from the store" mentality. What the hell's going to happen when the west runs out of shit?
>>51925 The MID gets a nice stimulus courtesy of the tax payer.
>>51913 > The man grinded Wagner in Bakhmut mostly on good will and sense of duty to the state, which I don't know if it's admirable or stupid. I think personally it was also to get some respect from some of the other brass, or it's a warning from Wagner telling Shoigu to get his shit together. >>51925 Hasn't the DOD being saying that for months on end now? The bigger question is when does the USN start transferring Tomahawks to UAF and then China goes for Taiwan, that'd be a 10/10 "whoop I dun fucked" moment. The US Army is already trying to field a Tomahawk and SM-6 variant so it can probably be done at exorbitant taxpayer cost of course. >>51919 >Undermanned tripwire. This reminds me of the Russian Civil War, you've got basically semi-independent groups (Belarus , Khakarov , Donbass, Crimea) doing fuck all different objectives and having extremely large areas to cover poorly. Mobile units either reaming out the asses of logistics units or getting their ass reamed by proper mechanized forces.
>>51925 >What the hell's going to happen when the west runs out of shit? You'll eat ze bugs and be happy. >*greedy rubbing sounds ensue**
>>51928 The plan was to dump the west and move on to china, but who knows if that will even be possible in short timespan, not to mention with needing to disarm/destroy america so that it doesn't become a threat in the future.
>>51921 >women
>>51926 The MID relies on razor-thin margins for their manufacturing staff. Their manufacturing staff got mass laid-off or quit when the subsidies ran out post-COVID. The MID consists of companies underbidding while hiring engineers who are underpaid to contract companies who are also underbidding that are cutting corners on the bottom rung who actually builds the shit's pay. Like all other businesses with that model, Bai Lan has gone into full effect with people quitting to go become tradesmen or truckers instead while the ageing population holding it all together dies off. It's been duct tape and WD-40'd for 30 years already and can't hold out any more, and the only proposed solution is allowing foreigners (who already make up the bulk of manufacturing staff with their green cards) to build shit (without a green card). Raytheon even started protesting these requisition contracts because they recognized they have nobody (trained) to build shit.
>>51928 Not everything is the Jews. When it comes to the American Military it's usually the fault of the Germans. Or the Irish.
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>>51914 >Don't they have shorter supply lines from Crimea in the South? I think its more of that they actually have a supply lines now and consolidated line. First few months was utter chaos. >>51915 >I'm surprised that they still kept going after the horrendous losses they suffered in the past few days. PR wise has been a total nightmare for the Ukie side since they want to keep a tight lid on everything and they simply can't deny that they did lose those shiny new toys NATO gave them for a blunder. Popular Ukrainan Insider telegram chanel Rezident_UA reports that UAF has lost about 30% of their western equipment. Here's a full quote. >Rezident_UA writes: >"Our source in the OP said that Tarnavsky reported to Zelensky about the loss of 30% of Western equipment in the first stage of the counteroffensive. There are heavy positional battles, a quick breakthrough of the front did not work out and now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to gnaw out every kilometer. Russian aviation, which dominates the sky, brings big problems to the Ukrainian army, and our air defense cannot yet advance to the front, as they are being destroyed by drones." >Well, Russia has been gaining ground after the costly victory of Bakhmut so it's possible that they don't want another Kharkov to happen again right under their noses. Russia must stand and deliver in Zaporozhie, they can't afford another retreat. Reports of Makarivka being taken by UAF this morning or last night, but RAF counter attacked and took it back mid day. Situation on the ground is complicated by poor weather and wet soil, which restricts western MBT/IFV while Soviet style tanks can still operate and maneuver.
Is the UAF trying to push along the road to Staromlynivka? That's going to turn into a bloodbath if they can hold the road but not the surrounding area if the weather clears up.
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>>51921 >we only had six >>51925 Normalfags will think they need to pump trillions of shekels into the military industry to hav 12 mine clearing vehicles.
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>>51905 update Ramzan Kadyrov and the Akhmat group have signed the contract, I am not sure why he needed to though. The Akhmat group part of the Russian military and not an PMC
>>51875 >where? shut up, you bigot! lol'd ngl
>>51880 >Ukrops didn't deserve this, plenty of them tried to stop this madness and got cia'd by their own governement, never forget these are all just brother wars /thread.
How much longer is this war going to last?
>>51940 To the last Ukrainian.
>>51940 It depends. Could be over by November or it could go on for five years. It really depends on what the Russians plan on doing. I estimate if it doesn't end in November, but Russia counter-attacks, then it will be over around the US presidential elections next year.
Today's the big day isn't it? We Jew War III now? www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/nato-will-hold-its-biggest-air-exercise-in-history-this-summer
>>51886 >"...drain the swamp of non-combatants" LOL (((choice))) of words. We Soylent Green now?
>>51943 what the dog doin?
>>51922 >SHORADs True. Those choppers are kicking the shit out of Holol armor from way out of arms-reach.
>>51930 >sockpuppet* FTFY Strelok.
>>51912 >Hindsight is 20/20 It's not, that's the whole point >>51910 is making >fixated on the trench warfare of the western front, not realizing that it was not the whole war Hindsight hindered by myopia. >>51933 >Russian aviation, which dominates the sky, brings big problems to the Ukrainian army, and our air defense cannot yet advance to the front, as they are being destroyed by drones. kek, it's like trying to solve a really deadly version of the goat/cabbage/wolf/boat problem. >>51943 >Today's the big day isn't it? Expecting another nothingburger tbth.
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>>51946 At this point it's not even the choppers that are the main threat. There's simply too many fucking loitering munitions zipping around. A modern SHORAD's job isn't to detect helicopters or high altitude drones to shoot them down. It's main task is to detect the missiles and loitering munitions that are heading towards the friendly units and intercept them. Basically a wheeled CIWS for the ground forces. If it managed to shoot down the aircraft too that's just a bonus. Normalfags say that drones will be the end of tanks or will change war forever. But when you tell them that drones and hypersonic missiles didn't end warships they go "of course not, ships have countermeasures!". Their pea brains don't even comprehend the possibility that maybe, ground forces will now use such countermeasures too.
>>51949 So the modern battlefield needs this: >>49302
>>51950 No, it needs something that can detect drones and supersonic projectiles and intercept them with surgical accuracy. The GAU 30mm is not up to the task.
>>51949 I see. Thanks for clarifying that Strelok.
>>51951 Then just bolt a fancy fire-control system to the turret of an IFV that already has a decent autocannon and call it a day. The American plan has been to switch to 50mm guns on their IFVs to deal with drones since the middle of the previous decade if my memory serves me well.
>>51951 >Drones Just put some kind of targeting system on some machine gun or autocannon that can reach high into the sky and call it a day. This idea of having to shoot down a sophisticated drone with a more sophisticated weapon is fucking retarded. Shrapnel be damned, civilians should have evacuated by now anyways.
>>51950 Don't they need to build a railguncannon tank?
>>51848 >Shooting cannon repeatedly while several allied tanks drive 5 meters in front of you >Keep shooting erratically while a tank gets immobilized directly in front of you in a cloud of smoke >Take 2 minutes to deploy smoke for the allied crew to move away >Get your shit "leaked" I am no tank expert but they seemed nervous about the whole thing, perhaps due