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Massive Explosion in Beirut Strelok 08/04/2020 (Tue) 18:20:31 No.4686
Mainstream is claiming its likely a fireworks factory explosion but I'm not buying it, what kind of firepower do you need to pull this off?
It was probably a bigger-than-usual thermobaric bomb.
Jews all but confirmed: Secretary-general of the Kataeb Party aka The Christian Phalange killed in the explosion. Beirut declared "devastated" city by Lebanon's Defense Council.
>>4689 I'm betting on sabotage of a nitrate cache. Better ability to deny than a bomb.
Lebanon officials said there was 2750 tons of ammonium nitrate inside the warehouse.
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>>4692 You know it was probably the jews but I can also easily see this as just another day of arab being stupid
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>>4692 Even worse, it just lay in that warehouse for six years without any safety measures... Though, question being, who just buys 2750 tons of bomb and does nothing with it for 6 years. Sure sounds like one happy merchant. https://archive.is/96WHh That being said, shit like this is the reason I'd never go to the third world. You never know what retardation the locals are cooking up at any given moment, and modern science gives them an infinite variety of ways to fuck up.
>>4696 Christ, look at the buildings being shredded in angle #8.
>>4697 > who just buys 2750 tons of bomb and does nothing with it for 6 years. Nobody wanted it. Apparently it was confiscated. A ship carrying it arrived in port but failed inspection, and like a trashy divorce nobody wanted to deal with the kids. http://archive.md/1tZUL
I'm seeing reports of the explosion's power ranging from 1.1 to 1.3 kilotons, which puts it three times larger than Tianjin (~300t TNT-equivalent). That would make sense, since it was 3.5 times as much ammonium nitrate as Tianjin's 800 tons. That yield makes it the biggest explosion in an urbanized area since Japan got nuked.
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>>4697 >Though, question being, who just buys 2750 tons of bomb and does nothing with it for 6 years. Sure sounds like one happy merchant. Ammonium Nitrate is used in industrial-scale agriculture as a fertilizer as well as in antibitoic and yeast production, and in various oxidation processes. I think the stuff is even used as a leavening agent unless I'm getting sodium nitrate mixed up with another one. It used to be used even more commonly than it is today so it would make sense in an ass-backwards country.
>>4703 2.38 kg of AN is equivalent to 1 kg of TNT, dividing the 2750 tons given earlier (assuming they're metric) by that amount gives an explosive yield of 1.155 kt which fits observations. The grain in the silos around the warehouse might have also gotten aerosolized and ignited.
>>4705 It's comparable to the PEPCON plant in Nevada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster
>>4703 >That yield makes it the biggest explosion in an urbanized area since Japan got nuked. I was wrong on this, since Texas City was larger, and that was a couple years after the nukes.
Also it's important to remember that typically ammonium nitrate doesn't go boom. Nine times out of ten it just burns up over a period of time, especially if you pour water on it to keep things damp.
>>4689 Doesn't look like a bomb. Watch some bomb drop videos- they don't look anything like that. >>4692 The only thing I have a problem with in this theory is the red smoke. The grey and brown smoke makes sense, but red smoke tends to suggest a fuckton of iron, but I doubt they had that much thermite under there.
>>4695 I like how the red car in angle 1 sees what's about to happen, pulls to the side of the road, and ducks under his car. That man was the true Strelok.
>>4705 What about the color? Before the big blast the smoke plume is lighter grays but the main column after the explosion is red-orange. Is that just soil or does that indicate a particular element or compound burning? I don't remember enough chemistry to tell.
>>4711 >>4713 Hot nitrogen dioxide is red, as are many other nitrogen compounds that you expect as the products of exploding nitrates. The red color actually supports the nitrate claim.
>>4714 Ammonium Nitrate turns into Nitrous Oxide and water vapor when it's burned. N2O is colorless and almost inert. Where are these other Nitrogen compounds in huge quantities coming from? I'd understand flashes of red, but big red plumes like those aren't created in an Ammonium Nitrate explosion without a third reaction taking place.
>>4715 Nevermind, my brain for some reason mixed up the words "harmless" and "inert." Nitrous Oxide does indeed burn at hot temperatures, and if it can burn, it turns into other nitrogen-based oxides which could be red.
>>4715 >>4716 In case you want a source: https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Ammonium-nitrate >Firefighters should not fight an ammonium nitrate fire and everyone, including fire fighters, should be evacuated to a safe distance if they observe any of the following: A fire involving ammonium nitrate is judged to be out of control; The fire is engulfing the ammonium nitrate; or Brown/orange smoke is detected, indicating the presence of nitrogen dioxide (which is toxic); or A rapid increase in the amount/intensity of smoke or fire in the area of ammonium nitrate storage.
We're having this conversation on two boards at once, aren't we?
>>4718 Yes. The Patchouli is Fatchouli.
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>>4718 There is another?
>>4692 >Days after new Israel-Palestine rocket attacks >A week after Jordan and Lebanon warned Israel about going into Golan and militarizing the area >Christian party officer killed I don't know, man
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A couple of latin american outlets, particularly Mexico's government-aligned newspaper, mention the warehouse as "a base for making terrorist explosives" Yeah, this cholent stinks
>>4724 I dunno. You'd think if there was any pretense at all to blame their political enemies, they'd have done it.
https://archive.is/yFDL6 What a shitshow.
>>4732 figured it was just arabs being retards, not everything is a jewish plot
>>4733 >Shipping tons of fertilizer/bomb material to a country that cannot afford it nor use it >Court system ignored multiple requests to move the obvious danger package out of civilian area to no avail >Charterers lost interest in a giant boat having paid minimum 25% in advance, even when they were from poverty city zones. >The captain clearly didn't believe his company's leadership about going bust but was alarmed at how they abandoned them suddenly. The whole thing doesn't make sense, too many retarded decisions after another. Then the cargo was stored vertically, pressuring itself, and near "fireworks". Lebanese don't have a history of doing smart things even when they are descendants of the phoenicians, so it maybe it really was them being lazy and uninterested.
>>4734 Mozambique can't use fertilizer?
>>4734 They wouldn't even let half the crew off the boat for a year despite them running out of food and being trapped on board with enough nitrate to devastate a harbor. It seems like it's a case of bureaucracy + stupidity = BOOM.
>>4737 >case of bureaucracy + stupidity add corruption, it's not rare over there to tie down your competitors with fabricated legal bullshit. actually that's not rare anywhere but the notorious disregard for catastrophic consequences seems to be
How not to store your AN kek, those retards had it coming, though the chosenites could still have used that to their end https://mobile.twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1290782284686266372
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>>4736 Not that the world is aware of, nor pay it. >>4737 That's usual for maritime law but an entire year is insane, i've heard a couple of weeks but not 54 of them. >>4738 Laziness aspect of corruption, doing other shit while you are supposed to do your job, happens all the time everywhere but they seem to make a habit out of it. >notorious disregard for catastrophic consequences seems to be First world still has it, if you want to believe the official story don't the japs had shitty maintenance at Fukushima and none of the outsourced israeli security company workers wanted to report it. In the U.S. there was a jet fuel place that also went kaput although somewhat far from the city. I recall another happened 5 years ago or so.
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F Lebanon's economy.
>>4742 Right next to grain storage silos too.
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>>4742 >that hole
>>4742 Just some buildings bro.
>>4746 There's a swathe of destruction across the city, lots of shattered glass and what not, Lebanon might get out alright but Beirut is gonna feel this for a while. Who knows? Maybe this combined with Corona-chan and the run of the mill ME instability we might see some more havoc in Lebanon
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>>4740 that's not at all why fukushima went the way it did >be jap >want nuclear power despite being on a small as fuck island prone to several dozen earthquakes every year >rest of the world is somehow ok with this and lets them build nuke plants, provides them with materials and uranium >put safeguards in place in case of earthquakes and tsunamis, backup generators, seawalls, the whole deal >2011 happens >fuckhuge earthquake buttfucks japan, reactors forced offline, still have to pump water through them so they don't melt >go to backup diesel generators to keep the water running through them, we good now >fuckhuge tsunami slams into nihongo >waves crash over the seawall, flood generators, water no longer flowing through reactors >water lines burst in reactors, radioactive steam is now building up inside >japs can't do jackshit because fucked infrastructure = no power = no pumps/vents to get the water out safely or cool the reactors >pressure keeps building in reactor hall until it explodes, releases radioactive steam across the area >TEPCO apologizes a few years later after the whole landscape gets fucked by radiation and they get fucked by lawsuits from dead worker's families the eternal jap
>>4746 That's just some buildings in a prosperous nation with a stable economy. This is Lebanon and that big hole was their main trade port, in a time when overland trade is getting fucked because Syria is a pile of rubble and the Arabs are busy getting raped by Yemeni tribesmen. And now consider the economic impact of all the lost goods that used to be in those warehouses. We're gonna see what happens, but I doubt Lebanon is just going to jump back up amid global recession due to the Chinese plague.
>>4748 >let's build the backup generators near sea level
>>4751 They were actually advised by the consulting engineers on the project to move the backup generators away, but refused. The upper levels of TEPCO have long been a sinecure where loyal government lackeys get deposited to serve out the rest of their days, which means that the old men who are nominally in charge haven’t a fucking clue what should actually be done, all they know is control cost fall asleep at meeting and drink after work. The young and/or competent guys meanwhile can’t get up the ladder because political manouverings aimed at keeping future positions open for their old buddies.
>>4742 whoopsie, looks like it might be a lot easier to rebuild Beirut as it was in 500BC and just make it a theme park for ancient Phoenicia.
So I did a little snooping and I don't think it was nitrogen dioxide any more. The sand/clay around the area is covered in super iron-rich sediment, so I think that might have been the main cause. Looking at the chemical reactions to produce nitrogen dioxide, there was far too much energy inside the warehouse to properly form those bonds that quickly. Iron in the dirt causing that beautiful red is more likely. It probably rapidly oxidized since one of the byproducts of nitrous oxide and ammonium nitrate burning is pure oxygen gas (which is why military operations tend to mix in about 6% fuel in their ammonium nitrate bombs since, the fuel consumes the pure oxygen gas creating a much bigger/more powerful explosion).
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Wouldn't a ship loaded with fertilizer make for a good maritime VBIED?
>>4763 Shh shut up or Australia will destroy the entire US navy with cargo ships full of fertilizer traveling in a straight line.
>>4772 Isn't that a valid strategy if paired up with an aircraft carrier?
>>4761 There is a petition with 55000 signatures to put Lebanon back under French mandate.
>>4774 >French Mandate Would the French even take it? They're already accused of neo-colonialism enough as-is.
>>4776 Absolutely they would do it, as it means more brown people flooding to europe.
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>>4763 Operation Chariot already demonstrated its a valid tactic.
>>4763 https://invidio.us/watch?v=rJjT60yGe1I also invido.us dev seems to be quitting, look for other alternatives for anonymous jewtube https://omar.yt/posts/stepping-away-from-open-source
>“Whatever in the world made the port authorities keep the cargo for six years is beyond my comprehension,” he says. “It seems likely that authorities couldn’t decide among themselves just how to split up the profits.” kek https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/igor-grechushkin-beirut-port-russia-floating-bomb-ammonium-nitrate-a9657816.html
>>4822 All you need is Peter Sellers playing 3 to 5 characters and this farce would be complete.
>>4822 It gets worse the more you read.
The USS Bonhomme Richards fire is entirely unrelated to this, right?
>>4833 >Grechushkin controlled from a company registered in the Marshall Islands but he conducted his business from Cyprus >Grechushkin owed his crew over $200,000 >Only made 2 trips This sounds usual for a failed money laundering scheme or creating a set-up for something bigger. What a fucking mess
>Macron visits >turns down the French mandate >mass rioting starts Lmao.
>>4857 Wouldn't surprise me if the whole plan is to pretend France doesn't want to do it, have the riots, then France feels it must to "save the people".
GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON HAS RESIGNED http://archive.is/rKsqk
>>4881 What does this mean? What will happen now?
>>4886 Even odds that Israel will launch an operation to take southern Lebanon. also even odds that the kikes/saudis caused the big badaboom.
>>4886 In a normal situation, an election and probably some infighting over the results. But the situation is anything but normal since the leadership of every faction is complicit in the corruption by participating in a power sharing agreement in a financial and service economy experiencing hyperinflation and massive unemployment due to the collapse of tourism. We will see what happens when a modern democratic republic becomes unsustainable.
>>4889 Erdogan just waiting up north to be (((helpful))), too
>>4788 invidious isn't anonymous, you still connect to google's servers to stream the videos
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>>4925 >invidious.gachirangers.com 🇮🇳
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>>4686 >Lebanon's economy minister says he had planned to buy strategic reserves for the country's wheat supply but had not got around to it. “Luckily we did not, it would have been destroyed.” https://archive.is/d2KDk >when one fuck-up inadvertently mitigates the impact of your other fuck-up
>>5594 I'd have thought people there would know better than to closely film a massive raging fire
>>5610 Social media has shown a shit ton of psychology that we spent decades examining goes out the window with instantious information access and instantaneous stupidity that comes with your 5 seconds of fame. Sage aside, any news on fire?
>>5668 It was still on fire as of yesterday.
Didn't they also just find an entirely different unsecured cache of ammonium fertilizer at that same port just a week or two ago?
>>5677 This is probably from the fire reported in the offtopic thread. IIRC there was something weird about the circumstances that suggested it was an old politician trying to hide evidence or a young politician trying to make a profit. The fire was caused in a duty-free warehouse meaning one that's already had taxes paid on it.

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