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Russia Vs. Ukraine 19 - 3 months down the drain edition Strelok 09/12/2022 (Mon) 09:50:59 No.40804
Link Dump: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/ https://web.telegram.org https://fotoforensics.com https://trashchan.xyz/finance/ https://yandex.ru/news Maps: https://mobile.twitter.com/Suriyakmaps https://militaryland.net/ukraine/deployment-map/ https://militaryland.net/tag/maps/ (Daily updates) https://liveuamap.com/ http://defensepoliticsasia.com/Ukraine/ https://militarymaps.info/ (requires Russian social media account and Russian payment processors) https://maphub.net/Cen4infoRes/russian-ukraine-monitor (Intentionally up to a week old) https://opermap.mash.ru/ (Russian propaganda map) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Russo-Ukrainian_War_detailed_map Channels: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRTq5KxoyKuquatzn2iF0Pg (Numbers and brief overviews of the day's news; no bullshit) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUnc496-PPmFZVKlYxUnToA ("Breaking news" Belarusian take on the war) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgGHiivhFq7M_1MLemh-cjg ("Breaking news" Singaporean take on the war) https://www.youtube.com/c/MilitaryandForeignAffairsNetwork (Military and foreign affairs network; slightly pro-Ukrainian and uses militaryland maps allowing him to cover more specific military groups and pockets at the cost of less breaking news) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg (Least biased "breaking news" Reddit "OSINT" take on the war) https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday (Patrick Lancaster reporting from Russian side) https://www.youtube.com/c/GrahamPhillipsUK (Graham Phillips less personal more professional reporting from the Russian side) https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexanderMercourisReal (Alexander Mercouris; Discusses the geopolitical issues of policies and their effects) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHqqf2BwNM4Oih-a_ikbWww (French Zoomer Historian/Comedian covering the war) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0EnYUt8dJUYcDgHUFG8vYA (Covers Economic matters in regard to Ukraine, updates on the frontlines, shorts, and other things; mild Russian bias) https://www.youtube.com/user/Itapirkanmaa2/videos (Z) https://www.youtube.com/c/UkraineCombatFootage/videos (counter-Z) https://www.youtube.com/c/DjukiSan/videos (Z2) https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs (Ukrainian propaganda channel)
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>abandoning Izyum to the Hohol army What did Putler mean by this? Fall is mere weeks away, why abandon strategically viable territory now instead of letting the eternal Khazar drown/freeze in mud? Is this some 5D chess move to capture Odessa?
>Igor Strelkov would have been the most competent commander in Russian Army What a time to be alive
>>40805 >What did Putler mean by this? Severe incompetence
>>40805 Reality is more nuanced than a bunch of twitterfags can say in their character limits but I guess it's a mix of incompetence/ignorance by the upper echelons of the Russian army, dwindling soldier count by the troops on the ground, unrelenting human waves by Ukraine and generally no real reason to capture that land for the Ruskies other than "it was there".
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>>40805 >What did Putler mean by this? ook ook
>>40805 What did Putler mean by this? He's happy with the cash flows coming into Russia from higher energy prices and can now couldn't care less about Ukraine and every Russian living there. Putin may have revolted against the Jews. But he did so to become his own kind of Jew.
>>40815 Are you implying he's a Jewtype?
>>40805 Incompetence due to a lack of seriousness, misdirection for a push on Odessa to later retake it when the Ukrainians can't receive equipment by sea, or the precursor for a bombing campaign. With how many soldiers are pouring in, it would make sense, from the perspective of increasing kill count, to bomb the place to dust or have explosives already planted. I wonder how bad the lynchings of collaborators and alleged collaborators in Kharkiv will be.
>>40824 >"I wonder how bad the lynchings of collaborators and alleged collaborators in Kharkiv will be." >Start a war to save Russians in two oblasts from genocide. >Fuck up everything so badly you start anti Russian genocides in other oblasts. Lol. Lmao. There's going to be so many rape babies from this war that Ukraine's gonna make a brand new Slav tribe by the end of it.
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>>40825 >Ukraine becoming Yugobrazilia with help from Merkelite nigger refugees going to the mythical place past the Carpathians where you allegedly don't freeze to death in Winter >a century of stalkan' between Ukrops, Russians, Russkrops, Poles, Hungarians, Belarusians, Chimps, ethnically indeterminate Mutts, Jews, Tatars, Chechens and every PMC under the sun ensues A bit of a shame Russia annexed Crimea back in 2014 instead of setting up a legitimate Ukrainian puppet government there.
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>>40805 >Fall is mere weeks away How many times have I heard this now?
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>>40827 >burger is the ESL this time Anon, what's the other use of the word "Fall"?
>>40827 That webm you posted is how everyone reacts to your post you retarded faggot.
>Thousands of pro Russians being hunted like animals for eviction, robbery, torture, rape, and murder as we speak. >Some Russians on Telegram claim NATO is defacto occupying formerly Russian settlements with mercenary armies. >Ukraine still tirelessly working to destroy enemy decision makers in Russia separatist regions (eh, it's close enough.) >If/when Ukraine pushes Russia back to the Kharkiv/Russian border, then Ukraine could use artillery to take Belgorod hostage if it wants to. >In Russia, there is still no war declaration. >Still no mobilization. >Still no daily bombings of every decision making center in enemy territory. >Or hospitals. >Or schools. >Or potable water. >Or food. >Or comm. towers. >Or bridges, roads, and tunnels. >Or finishing off the other half of Ukraine's power grid. >Only the continuing of piddly missile attacks that are obviously not destroying the enemy fast enough by themselves, and spending up to weeks to capture a small chunk of land. >And also Q Anon levels of Trusting the Plan. >"Republicans Russians are not the real racists war criminals! Democrats Ukrainians are!" Dear God, please allow NATO to officially intervene and end this farce of a war. I am sick and tired of straight men acting more gay than literal homosexuals because of cowardice. >>40827 Anon, ya dingus. Anon means the season. You know, where all of the leaves fall off of the forests so Ukies can't hide in them for the rest of the year.
>>40805 Apparently Izyum really wasn't that important, they thought it would be but it wasn't decisive, then they left some token defense and had plans to widthdraw, then the Ukrainians attacked, the token defense broke and they retreated like they had planned, but in such a way that it made them look like complete idiots. So basically it just wasn't worth keeping and it looks better on paper than in reality. This is according to Mercouris but it makes sense. >Is this some 5D chess move to capture Odessa? Here's hoping but i doubt it, my guess is that the Kremlin is waiting for Europeans to freeze and Ukraine to collapse without the former's help so then they can just walk in as it was their original plan. No reason to waste men and materiel in the battlefield now if Ukraine will destroy itself in a few months... Is that realistic? i have no fucking idea.
>>40834 >they retreated like they had planned They left massive stores of supplies behind, some plan.
>>40836 Well i assume they were gonna withdraw later and just did it now cause it was a better option than trying to defend it at that point, so i'm not surprised they'd leave some stuff behind.
>>40836 >Massive stores of supplies Containing? Massive stores of toilet paper aren't worth much if you have plenty back home. They had 2k troops in the region. A far cry from the 20-30k they had back when they were considering assaulting Sloviansk and they still took out about 2-4k of Ukraine's elite units that were supposed to be used in emergencies. Roughly 1/3rd of Ukraine's elite troops that were supposed to be for rapid deployment were used up on land that at least the Russians think is pretty worthless at the moment.
>>40830 >Civilians will suffer! Russians tried to evacuate civilians in Izium over the last month in preparation for leaving it behind so if they were too stupid to leave then they can serve as war crime propaganda.
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>>40840 Then perhaps Russia shouldn't celebrate like the war is already over with cries like "Russia is here forever!" on frontline settlements and instill a false sense of confidence and security in civilians they're supposed to be liberating, and then hitting the "Oh well we didn't want that land and people anyway lol." copium like Ukraine is doing since the start of the war.
>>40827 I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a joke that flew over the others' heads but I can never tell anymore.
>>40840 >if they were too stupid to leave then they can serve as war crime propaganda Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll be seeing any propaganda about Bucha-2.0s in the region Russia abandoned. I wouldn't put it past Ukraine to slaughter collaborators and then parade the bodies as being from a Russian massacre.
>>40834 >my guess is that the Kremlin is waiting for Europeans to freeze What are the chances that African and American gas keep the Yuropzone afloat until spring?
>>40844 Extremely high, if anything it's surprising it hasn't been in the media yet, maybe due to the queen's death >>40845 I don't really know, but the problem is not exactly that, Europe can buy gas and oil, the issue is that it will be a lot more expensive than the Russian one, a better way to have put it is that Europeans will have to empty their pockets to not freeze and that's the real issue.
>>40845 Zip. Zilch. Zero. There is no plausible way for the supply to suddenly expand short of Biden reopening Keystone and even then it wouldn't help them until the ass end of Winter with "affordable" extremely high prices when the damage is already done.
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>>40839 Ammunition, rifles, RPGs and more.
>>40848 Wouldn't really call that massive though
>>40849 It was disruptive enough to trigger the evacuation of Kharkov and will fuel Ukraine's offensive and commercial ambitions on top of what they're already getting from NATO.
>>40850 That's another matter entirely >evacuation of Kharkov Which seems the Russians wanted anyway >will fuel Ukraine's offensive and commercial ambitions Which will lead to more Khersons, most likely >what they're already getting from NATO. Very little in the past few months and with NATOs own stocks depleted not much else soon It's a victory on paper more impressive than in reality, we're not speaking about Ukrainians breaking through, destroying and surrounding scores of Russians, we're speaking of little infantry fighting, a retreat that was already planned in part and Ukrainians entering abandoned villages while being shelled. It is still a Russian debacle, but not the massive victory Ukrainians pretend it is,
>>40851 Azeris are now exploring the possibilities of a new offensive in Armenia with Russian promises of protection appearing hollow. Artillery strikes reported in the past few hours. The events of the past week are consequential no matter how much you want to downplay them.
>>40853 That is again another matter entirely >Azeris are now exploring the possibilities of a new offensive in Armenia with Russian promises of protection appearing hollow. That's exactly because it looked more impressive than what it was, that's exactly what i'm talking about, it's a psychological victory more than a real one which is motivation enough for the Azeris and others.
>>40856 >Underestimating the effects of psychology in war. ngmi
>>40857 No one is underestimating those effects you retard, which is why i still called it a Russian debacle, what people are blowing out of proportion are the real non-psychological losses for Russia.
>>40850 Brah it's like the amount that Ukrainian infantry would burn through in an afternoon.
>>40860 >Not understanding the connection between psychological losses translating to non-psychological losses and vice versa. ngmi
>>40871 Thanks for confirming for us your utter retardation
>>40872 Thanks for the copium. Russia is still garbage at LARPing like they're fighting the Second Coming of Adolf Hitler though.
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>>40873 Yes they are, what's your point?
>>40805 Intentionally or not, the Ukrainians have to move from their fortified positions and now occupy more territory/front against the Russians. So long as the Ukrainians can entrench their new positions in time for any potential winter attack. Or pull a Chechnya and directly attack into Russia, which would be a great political event, but also bring Russian ire on a whole new level.
>>40804 Will any civilians be willing to return to their homes there is the region is no longer a part of the theater? Assuming energy prices don't alleviate in time for winter even taking in to account that prices jump for the winter season normally, how cold does Ukraine get during winter? I've read/heard about Europe having energy prices in orbit but can Ukraine supply itself in that regard? On a side note, everything is getting painted green now. Are we officially out of the sandbox? I think too many of our general staff have sand stuck in their ass crack.
>>40834 >Izyum really wasn't that important >had plans to widthdraw >retreated like they had planned >just wasn't worth keeping >waiting for Europeans to freeze >Ukraine to collapse >as it was their original plan >Ukraine will destroy itself >>40839 >Massive stores >aren't worth much On the one hand reading these posts is like uncovering massive copium deposits, on the other hand the sheer rate at which the territory was regained implies there was minimal resistance, save for a handful of places like Balakleya. >>40845 >African and American gas Also how far off is Norway from being able to ramp production? They've been sitting on very substantial reserves from what I understand. >>40847 >Keystone That would hardly help with natural gas situation though, keystone was to carry shale oil for processing which should free up the market to a degree but it's impact seem way overstated. Neither USA nor EU have sufficient capacity to liquify/transport/receive LNG, nothing to do with keystone.
>>40887 The question hinges entirely on what supplies were actually captured. It seems likely that kiev would take food out of the mouths of anyone in the recaptured lands so I find it hard to imagine that they haven't gotten at least some improvement in their supply situation out of this.
How likely is it that Ukraine will become another afghanistan, both for russia and america? IE backstabbing americans and nato after the war?
>>40846 >a better way to have put it is that Europeans will have to empty their pockets to not freeze and that's the real issue. Actually, you're only partly right. The problem is that EU pride is on the line, as they've just come out of half a decade of "muh environment" platitudes. If they don't want to let their people freeze they'll have to reopen carbon mines, invest in nuclear energy and admit that the heckin turtlerinos aren't worth the lives of humans, which they can't do unless they do so covertly to save face. I'm finding this war to be more interesting on the outsides of Ukraine than on the battlefield. It's opening up a ton of cans of worms all over the place, fairly certain Africa will be seen as a backwater and a waste of funding soon enough even by the most hardcore progressive on the old continent. >>40860 >what people are blowing out of proportion are the real non-psychological losses for Russia. Well that's part and parcel of the psychological victory. Shit like this drives volunteer corps.
>>40883 >Will any civilians be willing to return to their homes there is the region is no longer a part of the theater? Unless they have nowhere else to go to, no, not at all. Bunch of Ukro friends have already evacuated and the only places they're going back to are Odessa, Lviv or Kiev. Border regions are far too dangerous for everyone but farmers and considering how they treated anyone as a dissident I wouldn't put past refugees to never come back at all unless put under military service by Zelly. >how cold does Ukraine get during winter? Cold enough that frozen rivers are treated as alternative routes for three months straight. Ukraine has no real Summer, just a very muddy and very long Spring followed by uninterrupted Winter. >>40887 Norway will never ramp up production because they can take the slight price hit and it would fuck up the environment. Plus if they did it would embolden other nations to start fracking as well. >>40893 Afghanistan didn't backstab anyone, the Americans were simply too chickenshit to go full on Ethiopian Death Squad on villages containing rebel clans. My money is on Russia paying a heavy toll for permanent occupations with IRA styled bombings becoming the norm for a while and/or the West bankrupting themselves trying to fund reconstruction in a heavily corrupt society.
>>40893 it won't be anything like the Soviet invasion. despite the recent reversal, I still predict Russian victory. but you seem to be referring to the Mujahideen being armed by US/NATO, which came back to bite us. in the case of Ukraine, it won't be to the same extent, but already NATO arms are ending up on the black market.
>>40894 >I'm finding this war to be more interesting on the outsides of Ukraine than on the battlefield. It's opening up a ton of cans of worms all over the place It's the new american independence, yeah
>>40896 The MANPADS are the real thing to be worried about, if they get out into the wild.
>>40839 >European toilet paper manufacturers shutting down due to unbearable energy costs >Ukrops do an offensive to capture Russian toilet paper supplies I see, it all makes sense now. >>40898 Is it likely for European mafiosi to come out of hiding this decade and return to more traditional methods of business or have they gotten too comfortable not to stay covert?
>>40894 > If they don't want to let their people freeze they'll have to reopen carbon mines, invest in nuclear energy and admit that the heckin turtlerinos aren't worth the lives of humans, which they can't do unless they do so covertly to save face. You grossly underestimate the human capacity for hypocrisy. I once lived in an extremely leftist/environmentalist area after a major disaster. The otherwise bleeding heart government literally suspended all environmental laws during reconstruction. I remember standing by a river which had catastrophically washed out a road. Mining machines were industriously tearing the shit out of beautiful wooded hills nearby to get clean fill for the riverbank. Army engineers went wherever they wanted and did whatever they wanted without anyone so much as whispering "environmental impact statement". A region where environmentalists routinely hold up construction projects for decades manged to rebuild billions of dollars worth of damage in about two weeks. Trust me, you'll be amazed at how quickly people pretend they never had an inconvenient principle when someone points a gun at their head.
>>40887 >if you don't believe every drop of ukrainian propaganda you're coping
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Apparently Russia started using Iranian-made kamikaze drones. Marked as "Geran'-2" (Cranesbill-2), allegedly same model as Shahed-136.
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>Putin didn't switch off Ukrainian railways or runways with cruise missiles >Putin directly helping NATO weapon shipments coming in Runways and railways aren't mobile. The GPS coords haven't changed since the USSR. Yet they have not been targeted, when logic dictates to shorten the conflict & pain with a successful outcome striking them is a no-brainer. Consequently, based on events so far, this is clearly a FAKE WAR. "Fake" in the sense those initiating the prosecution of said war are on the same side. Russia hitting the power plants within hours of retreating shows they have the capability to take out runways and railways, but have not used it. >Putin - WEF acolyte >Zelensky - WEF acolyte >NATO - various WEF acolytes Projection of strategy based on what we've seen so far: bait NATO into direct participation against Russian troops then use nukes against primary NATO members - i.e. UK, US, Germany, and France. Declare final victory and establishment of New World Order (NWO). Whether or not China participates in the nuclear strike for a stake in the multi-polar NWO is unknown. >inb4 but he hit a train A train is not a railway faggot. >inb4 take your meds schizo Covid gene therapy advice says you need to take your meds for me to get schizo protection.
>>40909 I've seen similar censorship of information on other imageboards, but thanks for the confirmation (((you))) use it here too.
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>>40909 This pleases me.
>>40910 >R9K prevented at least one of your files from being posted. Do you know what R9K is?
>>40909 Relaaax. The Kharkiv debacle and subsequent petulant counter attacks on Ukrainian power plants have demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt that Russia is too chickenshit to fight a proper war. But there's no need to go full schizo mode over it, you schizo.
>>40912 >Do you know what R9K is? A glowniggers excuse for plausible deniability of censorship
>>40913 >But there's no need to go full schizo mode over it, you schizo. Shut up and take my meds, faggot.
>>40914 How can the file be censored when it's already posted and available on this board?
>>40909 >>40912 >cover the world in radioactive nuclear fallout, dooming future generations >but exterminate the eternal anglo A fair trade if I ever saw one
>>40914 >A glowniggers excuse for plausible deniability of censorship >>40916 >How can the file be censored when it's already posted and available on this board? pottery
>>40804 >Iran flag I thought western domains banned Iran ISPs. Ironically though North Korea isn't banned from us and Canada domains for some reason.
>>40919 how is this site getting flags? I not even in Europe, nor a vpn/proxy and my flag is in belgium. If I type where is my IP address on google it points to new York even though I am not from there either.
>>40909 >>40910 >not understanding what R9K does Qboomer tier
Kremlin: no discussion of mobilisation after military setbacks in Ukraine https://archive.ph/9lFEp >The Kremlin on Tuesday said that there was no discussion of a nationwide mobilisation to bolster the country's military campaign in Ukraine, days after a surprise Ukrainian offensive forced Russia from almost all of Kharkiv region. In a call with reporters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that criticism of the country's leadership online nationalist commentators who have demanded mobilisation was an example of "pluralism" and that Russians as a whole continue to support President Vladimir Putin.
>>40926 "Hey, Brandon. Vlad here. Ya'll are fuggin' Nayzees who want to exterminate the Russian race. What? Are we declaring war? Uhhhh, no? What gave you that crazy idea?" Go, Hohols, go!
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>>40926 What the fuck are they doing at the Kremlin? Is there a plan beyond hoping that the EU just rolls over and dies due to higher energy prices?
>>40928 Joke's on the Kremlin. I might be a Burger and will be mostly spared this Winter. But if the eventual goal is the collapse of NATO, which is really the collapse of the USA, then as long as the Internet and video games keep working, then I, as a wage slave and shut in with no woman and far too much free time, am wholly unconcerned of a lifestyle with cold beds, cold sponge baths, cold rice and beans, and walking/biking everywhere. Some forced humility would be healthy for me and the rest of America anyway. And if the Internet and/or video games stop working, then I still wouldn't demand regime change in the USA at all costs. Because who wants to die for video games lmao.
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>>40926 Lmao, what the fuck are those retards in Kremlin doing? The only alternative course of action is de escalation and perpetual embarrassment, because they're sure as shit not gonna be able to achieve goals of this 'operation' with meager force they have at their disposal, and I doubt they have some sort of trump card ready to be used in order to avoid escalation. I doubt Iranian drones will change drastically the situation, disparity in manpower is just too great War is ultimately a struggle between means and wills, both being equally indispensable . Ukraine has the will and the means are literally being delivered to them by truckloads. Russia so far is using token means and close to zero will to conduct a proper armed conflict. If you're gonna half ass something, why even bother doing it.
>>40926 >>40928 Same thing as the EU/NATTO making up sanctions as they go and hoping that somewhere down the line a dozen Russians will get very angry and pout. All governments right now flip flop between being chickenshit when the chips are down and downright brutally authoritarian when they've got nothing to lose.
>>40926 To be honest either they're extremely stupid or have extremely good reasons to be so confident, i'd say it's 50/50. It does add merit to the theory that the Kharkiv debacle was mostly a planned retreat, hence they don't see the point of changing strategy since they expected the Ukrainians to retake all that land anyway.
>>40932 Or maybe they'd like to order at least a partial mobilization, but for some reason not even that is feasible. In that case they really are fucked.
>>40927 >Go, Hohols, go! You know there are flags now right? >>40933 Maybe, but i honestly don't see any indications that they're that fucked, if anything i've seen the opposite, Russians calling for it and the leadership refusing. So again, either they're monumentally stupid and overconfident or they know better than most how to handle this, i really don't know, simply because how could people that were so incompetent be able to get and maintain such positions of power in a country as cutthroat as Russia? Putin strikes me as someone that knows what he's doing, not that he's a genius, but he's not dumb, well him or whomever controls him. All in all i'm more confused than ever.
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>>40935 >not that he's a genius, but he's not dumb, And therein lies the problem: More wishy washy inbetweens against what Russia is far too committed into calling dAh NaZiS aGaIn!1! If Putin couldn't be a genius, then the next best thing for him to be would've been an idiot that is yet imbued with retard strength, like Jewkraine. And if it was possible to find this out, I would bet money on Putin getting more Russians killed in this war than Ukraine would've killed by blitzing Donbass unopposed.
>>40935 >Russians calling for it and the leadership refusing. Let me play devil's advocate: a few warmongers on Telegram are not necessarily a good representation of the whole Russian society. If there were pro-war marches in every major city and they still refused mobilization, then we'd know for sure that they just don't want none of that.
>>40936 That's a good point, though i still think their strategy will be to wait for winter and western economies to falter, including Ukraine of course, before making any serious moves on the ground. >>40937 Another good point, though as far as i know most Russians do believe in the war and in Putin, i don't think they'd mind much if the state went for a limited conscription drive to replenish the numbers of the army that would be sent to Ukraine, that way they would maintain defense readiness to an extent while sending the normal army to fight and not the conscripts. But take that with a grain of salt.
>>40937 Russians talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. For example 70% of Russians identify as Orthodox but only 2% attended a Christmas church service in recent years, a statistic worse than France: >The Sova statistical research center, one of the most authoritative in the country, has published data on church attendance region by region during the Orthodox Christmas liturgies of the past week.  The figures range between 1 and 3%, for an overall average over Russia not exceeding 2%, in line with the last few years, even if slightly decreasing.  This is the lowest frequency found in all Christian countries (France, one of the most secularized, is around 5-7%). https://www.asianews.it/news-en/Russians-love-Christmas,-but-not-in-church-49021.html Russians might larp as bellicose militarists in public but they'll be damned before they get drafted for active military service.
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>>40939 >The Sova statistical research center, one of the most authoritative in the country Same Sova center that has been on western payroll, including fucking Soros?
>>40935 Putin in particular is known to be incredibly cautious in his military ventures despite being a gambling man on the political front. Most of the time he's reigning in the rest of his upper officials chomping at the bit or letting them take the bait consequences be damned in order to teach them a lesson. Just food for thought.
>>40937 >>40938 Russians seemed to be more worried about whether their family members in Ukraine were ok or not for the first portion of the war followed by a general support to demilitarize Ukraine because of what they had seen reported about the DNR/LNR for the last several years (according to firsthand accounts). Due to their somewhat censored internet, warmongers and doves aside, the average normalfag Russian only has Russian television or Russian imageboards/forums to watch about war coverage, telegram aside. Rybar is suspected to be owned by the Russian government as a means of disseminating information about the war to the general public in an "approved" manner that is more "new" than the TV-watching boomers of Russia. At least Rybar tells the truth about events that already happened and Russian figures seem to be based on realistic estimates. I know a lot of people go ">using a Russian source" or ">trusting the Russian government" but the truth remains that the Vatniks at least give honest hard guestimates and maintain the illusion of discussion in the online space instead of giving flat-out propaganda and silence orders like the Hohols.
How many of these threads have been archived and where are they?
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>>40945 Try the meta thread for a start. The old one not the current one.
>>40939 >but only 2% attended a Christmas church service in recent years, a statistic worse than France: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." - Colossians 2:16 - 2:17 The church service is in obedience to God, with or without a congregation and/or building. Notwithstanding Russians are still not walking the walk despite talking the talk. Too many Biblical examples for me to care to derail the topic into /christian/, so I'll just use a couple: "For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace." - Luke 14:28 - 14:32 tl;dr if it's true that Russia from the beginning of the SMO didn't really have what it takes to solo NATO through a proxy war, then Russia/Putin should've swallowed their pride and sued for peace.
>>40958 >haha look I posted bible passages Holy fuck I hate /christian/ so much, I bet those are entirely out of context too.
>>40958 Ah, and before someone goes >Implying Russia should enter a Minsk 3 when the first two failed. Yes, Russia should enter a Minsk 3. Except this time use the time from the inevitably violated ceasefire and resources that are now going to the SMO to instead launch a mass exodus of pro-Russians from Ukraine to friendlier and more defensible territories, and then go from there. And for anybody who wants to stay behind, tough luck! "Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul." Ezekiel 33:2 - 33:5 >>40961 That's okay. God hates you too. You can tell because of existence. Good luck escaping mortality lol.
>>40958 Kys gay nigger go back to your containment
>>40958 Russians are not reformed Protestants and don't believe in salvation by faith but by works, this is weighing them on their own scale.
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https://archive.ph/cODsU Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
>>40958 >>40962 >wordswordswords Fuck all that. I hope Tamamo just offs some more high ranking people to spice things up more.
>>40904 What is the advantage of these drones over cruise missiles like the Kalibir? Will these make a difference with Ukrainian air defence systems in Western Ukraine? >>40920 Imageboards often have fucked up flags. I don't understand why it is so difficult to do right. >>40933 >>40935 >>40938 >>40937 How much combat have the Russian troops seen compared to the DPR/LPR militamen? Is it possible this isn't about the popularity of mobilisation but a desire to minimise Russian casualties by making heavy use of local auxiliaries? What happened to those new locally raised infantry brigades that were meant to deploy this month? They were talked about in the last thread.
>>40962 >god hates u 2 i never said i hated god you pretender faggot and not a single one of you /christian/ faggots is actually Christian you are just obnoxious niggers hellbent on ruining threads just like any discord tranny hell you probably are one
>>40968 It's stuff like this that makes me laugh at the anti-western alliance that is forming, they're so disunited it's not even funny, sure western countries don't see eye to eye in everything, but they're not regularly shooting at each other or about to enter nuclear war. >>40970 >How much combat have the Russian troops seen compared to the DPR/LPR militamen? Seems to be not much after the first few weeks, i'd say you're right too, that seems to be part of the concept of the "Special Military Operation", being more support for the local troops than a proper war of conquest. Which is kind of biting them in the ass, but time will tell.
>>40962 That doesn't sound very Christian. >>40975 This happened last year as a dispute over water with much more intense fighting, these are just tit-for-tat scratches that will keep going on or get out of hand unless Russia babysits these gerrymandered D&C'd bordergores.
>>40804 >Bet on Russia early >Muh 2nd largest army, peer force to the USA! >Look at those tanks! <Fails logistics <Failure of SEAD <Bogs down in Rasputitsa <Barely mobilizes the troops in <Barely any infantry support <Tanks , IFVS, AAs, and trucks gets ambushed every hour if they manage to not get stuck >Somehow the hohols hold fast and manage to push back the vatniks with surplus stingers and Javelins >Then the Moskva sunk >Then the 26km traffic jam >Then complete collapse of the Kyiv front <INTERMISSION: Minor artillery stalemate for 1-2 months >Doesn't matter at the end since the Ukies manage to blow up their ammo depots >After that a complete and utter breakthrough of Kharkiv that literally noone (even the Ukies themselves) expected to happen. From the EU's bogeyman to being humiliated by some stinking third-rate country. Heck, i bet the Ukies don't even fucking prepared for the Russians to blitz through Kyiv. Where did we go wrong? Also add Perun to the list, he's a literal Defence Contractor (AKA a Military Industrial Complex insider) who breaks down the economic and equipment acquisition side of the war. He does this in a weekly, 1-hour powerpoint basis.
As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by his aide https://archive.ph/DEwBP >Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership. The Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine, according to these sources. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time. >Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react. But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped. >Asked about Reuters findings, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "That has absolutely no relation to reality. No such thing ever happened. It is absolutely incorrect information." Kozak did not respond to requests for comment sent via the Kremlin. Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, said Russia had used the negotiations as a smokescreen to prepare for its invasion, but he did not respond to questions about the substance of the talks nor confirm that a preliminary deal was reached. "Today, we clearly understand that the Russian side has never been interested in a peaceful settlement," Podolyak said. >Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia's Feb. 24 invasion. Within days, Kozak believed he had Ukraine's agreement to the main terms Russia had been seeking and recommended to Putin that he sign an agreement, the sources said. "After Feb. 24, Kozak was given carte blanche: they gave him the green light; he got the deal. He brought it back and they told him to clear off. Everything was cancelled. Putin simply changed the plan as he went along," said one of the sources close to the Russian leadership. The third source - who was told about the events by people who were briefed on the discussions between Kozak and Putin - differed on the timing, saying Kozak had proposed the deal to Putin, and had it rejected, just before the invasion. The sources all requested anonymity to share sensitive internal information. >Moscow's offensive in Ukraine is the largest military campaign in Europe since World War II. It prompted sweeping economic sanctions against Russia and military support for Ukraine from Washington and its Western allies. Even if Putin had acquiesced to Kozak's plan, it remains uncertain if the war would have ended. Reuters was unable to verify independently that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy or senior officials in his government were committed to the deal. Kozak, who is 63, has been a loyal lieutenant to Putin since working with him in the 1990s in the St. Petersburg mayor's office. Kozak was well-placed to negotiate a peace deal because since 2020 Putin had tasked him with conducting talks with Ukrainian counterparts about the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, which has been controlled by Russian-backed separatists following an uprising in 2014. >After leading the Russian delegation in talks with Ukrainian officials in Berlin on Feb. 10 – brokered by France and Germany – Kozak told a late-night news conference that the latest round of those negotiations had ended without a breakthrough. Kozak also was one of those present when, three days before the invasion, Putin gathered his military and security chiefs and key aides in the Kremlin's Yekaterinsky hall for a meeting of Russia's Security Council. State television cameras recorded part of the meeting, where Putin laid out plans to give formal recognition to separatist entities in eastern Ukraine. Once the cameras were ushered out of the vast room with its neo-classical columns and domed ceiling, Kozak spoke out against Russia taking any steps to escalate the situation with Ukraine, said two of the three people close to the Russian leadership, as well as a third person who learned about what happened from people who took part in the meeting. Another individual interviewed by Reuters, who helped in the post-invasion talks, said discussions fell apart in early March when Ukrainian officials understood Putin was committed to pressing ahead with the large-scale invasion. >Six months on from the start of the war, Kozak remains in his post as Kremlin deputy chief of staff. But he is no longer handling the Ukraine dossier, according to six of the sources who spoke to Reuters. "From what I can see, Kozak is nowhere to be seen," said one of the six, a source close to the separatist leadership in eastern Ukraine. tl;dr they say that Poutine could have chosen to make a deal with the hohols, but he went for the more chaotic option.
Half Of Ukrainian Power Grid Destroyed Over Night. Multiple Power Plants Destroyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t-Iiae6VAc
>>40977 >Muh humiliated Russia Russia has suffered standard military losses. You can argue that Russian military is overly cautious and has a few idiots in charge, but the fact that they haven't had to mobilize while Ukraine is mobilizing their women and elderly speaks for itself. This isn't a war over some piddly border mountain. It's a war for several trillion dollars worth of resources and living space to kick Russians out of Moscow to have babies.
>>40983 Have you ever compared the relative sizes and populations of Russia and Ukraine? Did the US have to mobilize for Iraq and Afghanistan?
>>40983 >Russia has suffered standard military losses. You can argue that Russian military is overly cautious and has a few idiots in charge, but the fact that they haven't had to mobilize while Ukraine is mobilizing their women and elderly speaks for itself. This isn't a war over some piddly border mountain. It's a war for several trillion dollars worth of resources and living space to kick Russians out of Moscow to have babies. That's why it's humiliating for Russia to not even able to conquer Ukraine you dumbfuck! I'm talking about Russia's previous reputation as a peer power to the EU. They have the largest amount of tanks in service in the world, a vaunted Airborne Wing, huge stockpiles of cruise missiles, and the only Military Industrial Complex to rival even the US. In theory, they could've bagged Kiev in the first two-weeks with ample amounts of tanks and airborne troops shoved in before the Ukies can get their act together. Especially since we've seen how the Ukies fight in 2014. But now? All of their reputation is out of the window for now, except for their artillery of course. They squandered it. No, even worse, they BLEW IT. Not being able to conquer Ukraine in 2 weeks is understandable. But not even being able to advance past that, AND losing your gains in the span in less than a year? That's a fucking disgrace for a former superpower! And i'm coming from a country who's pro-Russia (at first) and the opinion's starting to turn to a neutral one as the days gone by.
>>40988 I expect the coming PRC-US war over Taiwan to be even more retarded. Shouldn't you guys be somewhat concerned about Bugman encroachment in the Solomons?
>>40990 Is there any truth to the claims Taiwan has accurate enough long range missiles with conventional explosives to put most of the Chinese heartland underwater by blowing up dams? That would turn an invasion from Pyrrhic victory at best to MAD.
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>Heads of State & dignitaries label Putin their mortal enemy & say he must fail >All in the same place at the same time on Monday for Queen funeral >Putin at home, not invited >WEF co-leader & monarch heading the event >Putin doesn't nuke the UK on Monday >Monday comes and goes >Nothing Happens The lack of WW3 on Monday will prove the Ukraine war is fake, & Putin is as WEF as the rest of them. If there is any happening Very much doubt it. No one cares except the MSM propaganda & those it brainwashed. less than Putin launching nukes (like Novichok) it would be a WEF false flag to speed up WW3.
>After a missile attack on Krivoy Rog, water rose in the Ingulets River and demolished the crossing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Davydov Brod area. Also reports of strikes on Zaporozhie TPP, third larges thermal power plant in Ukraine. Extent of damage currently unknown.
>>40995 Why the fuck do you think Russia would launch nukes on a bunch of useless puppets. Especially considering the outcome would be the eradication of the Russian people by nuclear fire. Russia has basically no means to counter ICBMs and their subways and bunkers won't actually protect people as much as their media insists.
>>40995 >If WW3 doesn't start everything is fake >but if something happens to start WW3 it's also fake Fascinating.
>>40992 They wouldn't do that because Taiwan claims de jure authority over mainland China and half of Taiwan (their boomer generation) doesn't want war with the mainland at all.
>>40988 Ok indonesian, you belong under the nip boot.
>>40979 >any deals with Ukraine >after they reneged on Minsk Agreements Putin would have to retarded if he did that.
>>41004 Why the fuck am I Moldovahkiin.
>>41004 Especially since it's utterly unenforceable. Say they take the deal, pull out, and Ukraine immediately turns around and joins anyway. What's Russia going to do, declare war on NATO? And NATO is only one element anyway. There's also Crimea and so on. Besides, even if there was such a deal proposed, for all we know it died when the Ukrainians killed their negotiator.
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>>40981 >>40996 Looks like another retaliatory strike to me. Too bad they didn't hit any military targets. But infrastructure is still infrastructure. >>40979 Treaties and deals are pure worthless garbage, especially when not backed with any means. They're only a big deal when one side has won over the other. -t. only country to exit the UN >>40990 >The Solomons Literally who for us. We have bigger fish to fry in Papua New Guinea. Those highland tribes ain't going to gun down themselves you know? Plus even though China is the sole reason we bought jets from France, they still kept giving us money for some reason. So what's wrong to take the money while also shoring up our defenses? They don't mind. China's dying for allies since Pakistan is well, dying and the Africans are well, Africans. Oh and by the way, i wouldn't call Russia and China as friends. More as a divorced couple who stuck around for convenience. >>41003 Man, i wish. I already have a new master, globalism. We're already under the globalist boot too you know, can't complain when you can live off 5 dollary doos a day in here and you guys know how much Globalists love to outsource their industry.
>>40988 >"Reeee they could have taken Ukraine admittedly and they didn't therefore Vatniks eternally BTFO!" Dude, much like how WWI showed mounted cavalry charges are obsolete, giant full-scale kinetic war is also obsolete. I fell for the same meme but the fact is that Russia has no need to launch a full invasion. Their economy is good, they can technically keep this war going indefinitely. Ukrainian infrastructure is destroyed, their troops are being depleted, the West is running out of armor, and they are defaulting on their debts. Meanwhile Russia grows stronger, Putin's party won reelection last Sunday, and there is nothing the world can do about "Europe's gas station that hates gays." If Russia eats dirt and the only ones who care are France and Germany who are in far more dire straits (referencing the phone calls) while only online warmongers care, does it really matter?
>>41010 Are you posting from the Donbass?
>>40999 >Russia would launch nukes on a bunch of useless puppets. >the outcome would be the eradication of the Russian people by nuclear fire. >not worldwide celebration and planet-wide partying you think naked emperors are loved? you think others care for them to be avenged? Hahahahahhaaahaha! kekus maximus! >>41001 >kike subverts meaning pottery
>>41011 Certain nodes randomly default to Ukraine. It's like how Belgrade Serbian nodes default to a Romanian flag.
>>41012 (((Who))) do you think controls the nukes? (((Who))) do you think loves false flag operations? Think you fucking retard.
>>40977 >Where did we go wrong? With half the stuff you wrote being bullshit >>40987 Even so, Russia is half-assing it and still winning for the most part >>40988 >That's why it's humiliating for Russia to not even able to conquer Ukraine you dumbfuck! Because they haven't even tried you dumbfuck! Why is every Ukrainian shill so delusional? why do they think Russia has sent their entire army and gotten it destroyed? Russia is fighting a very limited campaign has been doing so from the beginning, don't ask me why, i myself think it's a mistake, but what they haven't done is sent their whole army to destroy Ukraine and failed at that, that hasn't happened, get that through your thick skull. >>41010 Also this, it seems that time is on Russia0s side, they don't need to rush things for now. Though that is bad for morale.
>>41016 >(((Who))) do you think controls the nukes? the same (((ones))) who will not be launching them on Monday you intellectually slow faggot >>40995 >The lack of WW3 on Monday will prove the Ukraine war is fake QED
>>40987 >Relative sizes of Russia and Ukraine Ukraine is roughly 1/3rd the population size of Russia (geographically the size of Texas) with a much denser population, but I'm not sure how that relates. America needed three times as many troops as the liberal Russian force estimates (almost 800,000 American Troops) excluding other foreign nationals to take on Afghanistan which has a population 1/10th the size of America's. In comparison Russia has used a (liberal estimate) force of maybe 350k troops pushing the upper limits of which realistically only 80k or so are from the Russian army with the rest being Chechens, PMCs, Indigenous Peoples of Ukraine, etc. Russia would have to keep this war going for about 10+ years to reach America-tier levels of fuckups.
>>41010 >Putin's party won reelection last Sunday Toppest of Keks almost had me until here
>>41020 Isn't it amazing that for all the accusations of Russian elections being rigged, the ruling party got significantly less votes in the first elections where OSCE weren't overlooking everything, and the only ones complaining of fraud are the communist party?
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>faggot shows up to screech about how it's all a big plan by the same people Only question here is if you actually beleive that and if you do why haven't you killed yourself yet if it's really that hopeless? >>41022 >hiring convicts hahah I can't wait to see how this turns out.
>>41018 Because Jewtin is a cuck.
>>41019 I keep hearing arguments like this but find them unpersuasive because Russia STARTED the war. Imagine if the US had invaded Iraq with so few forces that they failed to annihilate the Iraqi air force, tried a thunder run on Baghdad which failed miserably, completely lost the ability to maneuver as the war devolved into a grinding stalemate on the ground, and ended up losing a huge chunk of territory they'd bled for after the Iraqis discovered its flank was guarded by some fucking SWAT and Kuwaiti militia with no strategic reserve. The US military would be a laughingstock. Any whining about how few troops were in the invasion force would be correctly ignored because the Americans would have chosen to fight under those conditions. Say whatever you want about the overall political situation: Ukraine was never going to roll tanks on Moscow. This was a war of choice. And if Russian leadership chose to start a war with inadequate forces that's not an excuse - it's an admission that they're dolts who squandered the lives of their men on a fool's errand.
>>41025 I am amazed by how weak Putin has been this whole time despite his big talk back in March. It's like Russia has just sat on its ass. He needs to start using the nukes and wage total war. If he had done that from the beginning Russia would own all of Ukraine by now. China would have made a move on Taiwan, and Amerigolems would be seething.
>>41027 >Russia started the war so if China gaslit Mexico into reconquering the Southwestern and Western portion of the united states, were building up their forces to do so and were threatening openly in public, after which the US preemptively invades Mexico to forestall the Mexican offensive, then the US "started" the war? Russia did not start this war. The USA did.
>>41027 >Imagine if the US had blundered! >Implying they didn't blunder horribly and repeatedly
>>41010 I don't understand the screeching about the loss of the Kharkov Front. While demoralizing/uplifting, it still shows the poor state of Ukraine's military when they took 2k casualties within the 1st 72 hours of the offensive against a numerically inferior, retreating, force. Then stalling when the Russians stopped retreating because they took such heavy casualties. Both sides are reinforcing so it could become Kherson front 2.0. Ukraine has the major issue of a divided military command, Zaluzhny vs zelensky, as well. Imagine if this offensive was prioritized over Kherson.
>>41030 > Mexico into reconquering the Southwestern and Western portion of the united states 1. Crimea and the Donbas were not part of Russia in 2014. It was not a contested border (compare with Transnistria) . They had previously participated in Ukranian elections which Russia recognized. 2. But OK, let's say it was Russian territory. Or to go with the analogy Mexico outright invades the Southwestern US. If the US responded with a token military force that totally failed to achieve its mission in a timely fashion with multiple serious reverses getting thousands of Americans killed then the US government would be fucking retarded. >>41031 Yes. AND THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HAS FUCKED UP IN UKRAINE GETTING THOUSANDS OF THEIR OWN MEN KILLED NEEDLESSLY. You realize that pointing out US fuckups doesn't absolve the Kremlin of their own horrible failures, correct?
>>41033 >crimea and donbass were not part of Russia in 2014 Historically viewed that entire area and Ukraine itself are Russian. That was Putin's point in his address back in March and he was correct. This is plainly obvious history to anyone that has read the books. >if the US responded with a token military force I never said what Putin was doing was right. I agree that his "special military operation" was a completely retarded idea and that he should have embraced the Warlord role from the get go, sent the full power of his military into Ukraine and dropped the nukes, and then threatened pieces of shit like the Poles with nuclear glassing if they so much as piped a squeak. Instead Putin has quite frankly acted like a pussy.
>>41033 >>41034 We shouldn't pretend to know what the Russian leaderships wants though nor if their current strategy is the best to achieve whatever they want to achieve. As other's have pointed out time seems to be in Russia's side, maybe Putin sees no point in creating a big war if simply applying pressure like they're doing now will yield results later. Of course he looks like a pussy though and for us the war looks boring, but maybe things are going more or less as planned.
>>41027 I think i got your point but that Irak comparison is weird, they were never going to roll tanks on the US (but wanted to in Israel) and they didn't start a war, US (and Israel) did by bombing their reactors and killing their specialists. They were the laughing stock but a feared one because plenty saw it as an outright criminal invasion, one which nobody did anything against. The laugh was for how mischievous it was for a country claiming to be the flagbearer of freedom and justice.
>>41035 It's theoretically possible that everything is proceeding as Putin has foreseen, and Russians just need to trust the plan. But you do realize that's a general purpose excuse? It could excuse anything. If you read Putin's speeches at the outset of the war he talks a lot about (1) NATO expansion and the strategic threat it poses to Russia (2) protecting ethnic and pro Russian populations, especially in the Donbass and Crimea. For example http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67843 https://archive.ph/6B1FG If we look at the current situation, are these goals closer to being achieved? Or did the actions taken by the Russian government result in an even worse situation? Your analysis may differ, but I don't see the benefit here: On one hand, Ukraine's chances of getting into NATO are nil for the foreseeable future. On the other hand the conflict directly inspired both Sweden and Finland to seek NATO membership. Finland in particular represents a troubling threat, arguably far greater than Ukraine ever was. And who knows what will happen with Ukraine after the war? Even a landlocked Ukrainian rump state joining NATO represents a potential forward airbase and invasion route. As for the population protection I don't see how the half assed SMO intervention improved anything. The mobilized Ukrainian army is far larger and better equipped than it was in January. The suffering of pro-Russian populations caught in the prolonged, expanded conflict is enormous. And when Russia loses territory to Ukraine in "feints" and "planned withdrawals" it opens up the possibility of reprisals from vengeful Ukrainian forces. Even if populations are being evacuated they're still losing their homes. It's even worse if you look at some of Putin's loftier rhetoric. Look at his famous "history lecture" speech or his essay: Article by Vladimir Putin "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 https://archive.ph/o3gs4 > During the recent Direct Line, when I was asked about Russian-Ukrainian relations, I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people – a single whole. > First of all, I would like to emphasize that the wall that has emerged in recent years between Russia and Ukraine, between the parts of what is essentially the same historical and spiritual space, to my mind is our great common misfortune and tragedy. I could be wrong, but reading this it seems like Putin really wants to see Ukraine re-integrated into Russia. But that seems like a pipe dream now. The prolonged strife and commensurate devastation has created a bitterness that will last for generations. Worse yet, the continued failure of Russia to crush the UAF and bring the war to an end seems practically calculated to create a founding mythos for a separate, independent Ukrainian nation and people. It's hard to imagine Ukrainian - Russian unification at this point. Besides, the khokhol / Ukrainonazi rhetoric I see from some Russian/Pro-Russian quarters suggests the feelings are becoming mutual as the destructive conflict drags on. If there's some 5D chess strategy behind all of this, I sure don't see it. >>41036 Exactly. Iraq was a war of choice. And I think you nailed the difference when you said: > [The US] were the laughing stock but a feared one If you fight a war of choice and don't even win, then you're a laughingstock AND people don't even fear you. People feared the US less when it lost the insurgency phase. People fear Russia less now that it cannot seal the deal on the conventional invasion phase.
>>41037 Russia can't seal the deal because of the "limited" nature of this whole operation. Putin has leveraged a minimal amount of his forces and has been remarkably tepid when advancing. He could have taken Kiev in March. I am just amazed that a man with such a "brutal" no nonsense KGB reputation ended up being a....nice, reasonable guy. The Russians were practically tip toeing around Ukrainian civilians in the beginning. I don't know about now, I've tuned out in disgust. The moment this whole thing hit, the USA was of course going to flood Ukraine with money, weapons, and probably disguised PMC and NATO troops, an endless stream into Ukraine. The USA was always going to want to make the war bigger. Time therefore is of the essence. Not just that but weakness is provocative. It Putin had maximized pain and violence, people would have been truly scared of him. They would have despised him just as much as they do now, but at least there would be real fear. His reputation would have been true. Now Putin has neither understanding or fear, and this is proven by how the slightest "offensive" by the Ukrainians makes the buzzards circle, despite however many thousands of Ukrainians died this time. The longer this man waits to turn up the heat, the worse Russia's chances and he has already wasted a lot of time. If Russia really is waiting on negotiation or policy, then the Kremlin might as well surrender right now. First of all, Zelensky needs to be killed immediately. A chance was present the other day in Izium, he was within missile striking range, and...nothing. It's awful. The Soviet stockpiles can only last so long. If Putin loses this, it's over, ZOG wins forever.
Post ITT to petition Sturgeon to add a /christian/ board here. With the inclusion of /larpagan/ recently, I feel it would only be fair. I will be the first BO/mod if nobody else agrees to help out, and once the petitions are made ITT I will post it on /meta/ for Sturgeon to give the final approval.
>>41039 If you're willing to mod the board yourself, you could try asking in /meta/: https://zzzchan.xyz/meta/thread/137.html
>>41039 >With the inclusion of /larpagan/ recently, I feel it would only be fair. What a gay reason for a board that chose to remain on anon.cafe even after it was revealed they had appointed a glownigger over k.
>>41037 >On the other hand the conflict directly inspired both Sweden and Finland to seek NATO membership It's more like "made them be honest." Swedish Neutrality was built on the framework of a treaty where America agreed to assist Sweden if a "foreign threat" appears so it's hardly neutral in the first place and Finland has historically never gotten along with Russia and was neutral in name only. >Even a landlocked Ukrainian rump state joining NATO represents a potential forward airbase and invasion route. Russian ICBMs on the Romanian or god forbid Polish border would be more than enough reason to justify it. Plus Zelensky has repeatedly stated he'll "never negotiate with Putin" so this war could very well never end until rebel forces sack the capital denying Ukraine NATO memberhsip. >The mobilized Ukrainian army is far larger and better equipped than it was in January. On leftover scraps that have run out as most Western powers can only offer training now. If you follow the reporting it becomes clear that Ukraine suffers from an armor shortage (made worse after this offensive) and an AA/Artillery ammunition shortage (again made worse) while having also swapped to an "active defense" strategy. >The prolonged strife and commensurate devastation has created a bitterness that will last for generations. Slavs are used to it and bounce back fairly easily. There are countries that Russia arguably tried (and failed) to genocide during the soviet era that are good friends with Russia today. >Worse yet, the continued failure of Russia to crush the UAF and bring the war to an end Why is it Russia's job to occupy all of Ukraine and use their full military force to do so? Sure Russia is causing more harm to civilians, but equally Russia has no responsibility to end this war with their full might like some kind of videogame. Russia is snagging the parts that are alright with being Russian. Those just happen to be where about 60% of Ukraine's wealth and debt collateral are. >a separate, independent Ukrainian nation and people Yes, both sides would like that. One side would like one that was founded after freedom fighters stormed the capital and got rid of their false prophet- I mean president comedian in chief.
>>41037 >>41038 Putin went into isolation for all of 2020-21 due to the overblown coof, some have speculated that it cost him his judgement.
>>41038 >Russia can't seal the deal because of the "limited" nature of this whole operation. I think that's the whole thing. Putin planned for one kind of war but US/EU transformed it into a different kind of one but now Putin is stuck with his old plans. I still think that at this point he's waiting for a good enough excuse to escalate things. Probably because he's still in the "hearts and minds" mode of thinking.
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>>41010 >much like how WWI showed mounted cavalry charges are obsolete, giant full-scale kinetic war is also obsolete. What's next? Guerilla warfare is also obsolete because of the proliferation of thermal optics? Stop fucking lying to yourself. Russia could've well and taken Kiev by storm in the first two weeks, as seen by Antonov Airport. The fact that they've failed to do the lightning war, have an utter joke of a logistics chain, lost ground, and STILL keeping the 'Spehcial Muhlitaree Gay-Ops' means that they're fucking incompetent at doing this shit. There's no general mobilization in the army even though the Russians are scraping the bottom of the barrel for volunteers as seen by Wagner recruiting Syrians, Inmates, Tartars, Kazakhs and any other non-White Russians. The only part that's keeping the Ukies from doing anymore than this is the Artillery and Missile Arms pounding the shit out of Ukie positions and forward advance elements. >I fell for the same meme but the fact is that Russia has no need to launch a full invasion. Their economy is good, they can technically keep this war going indefinitely. Ukrainian infrastructure is destroyed, their troops are being depleted, the West is running out of armor, and they are defaulting on their debts. Meanwhile Russia grows stronger, Putin's party won reelection last Sunday, and there is nothing the world can do about "Europe's gas station that hates gays." Then why the fuck did they even do it in the first place then? They think this will be another waltz like Crimea despite the fact that this is THE CAPITAL we're talking about? You think they'll win in a few months? Years? You think they can keep up with the demands of a total-war Industrial Economy when one side has done it and not them? The West has made a stance that they'll support Ukraine even if they'll bankrupt them, and EU has reached the point where it is at their most Warmonger state since the Yugoslav Wars. They will do this since the masses pretty much demanded them to do so. We've already seen it with the EU that any position that's not a 'complete and total support of Ukraine' are vilified. What will Russia do to change their tune? Cut off the Oil? Well, unfortunately for Russia, they've already stockpiled enough oil and gas to last them through the winter. So their bargaining chip is worthless in the short-run, but surely they'll make a dent in the long-run as well right? Well, while sanctions are worthless in the short-run, but they will hurt your technical coefficient in the long run. This bleeds into Russia's Military Industrial Complex. How many parts in Russia that they simply can't make by themselves? Everyone knows how important the TSMC is that even the US is green with envy with Taiwan, and if the US can't even be self-sufficient, can Russia even do that with sanctions involved? I can't even say this is a sane position (Russia Winning) to take since Poland, the hardy little rodent they are, has been the biggest transit for EU and US arms into Ukraine, and that's not counting the hundreds of tanks that Poland has donated to be replaced with M1s and K2s. As long as Poland stands, the Ukies will get an endless stream of foreign aid, weapons, and munitions for their cause. They have a equipment shortage right now, sure. But that can be flipped in the span of a year when the rest of your neighbors are giving you their surplus tanks, artillery, munitions, and most importantly, information of the Russian Army's movement. >tl;dr Russia failed the lightning war, and instead of actually making an effort for an invasion, they just sit on their asses hoping Ukraine will fall over on their own despite getting support from the entire EU.
>>41029 >He needs to start using the nukes and wage total war. On that note, I wonder what the new British PM put in her letters of last resort... >>41030 >if China gaslit Mexico into reconquering the Southwestern and Western portion of the united states >tfw not living in the best timeline >>41044 >Putin is stuck with his old plans. I still think that at this point he's waiting for a good enough excuse to escalate things. This statement seems strange, why is he stuck? There seems to be plenty of support domestically for mobilization, there were several occasions for escalation like attacks in Belgorod - Russian soil proper - and more recently in Crimea too. Declaring this definitely-not-a-war was probably hoping to avoid a severe international backlash, but at this point there's no good will left to salvage there. >>41045 >What's next? Drones, autonomous vehicles. It's changing the battlefield tactics big time already and will only keep evolving, what autonomous tech offers hasn't fully been applied/exploited on the battlefield yet. >How many parts in Russia that they simply can't make by themselves? >if the US can't even be self-sufficient, can Russia even do that with sanctions involved? Pretty much all the important military shit is made domestically in both Russia and US. Intel will always have US-based foundries to supply defense industry. Russia made a concerted effort to source all drone parts domestically for example. >they've already stockpiled enough oil and gas to last them through the winter. Ok EU won't freeze to death this year but have a look at recent energy prices people are facing. How long will the popular support last under these conditions?
>>41045 >What will Russia do to change their tune? Why the fuck would russia have to do anything? The west already ran out their coffers and nobody in europe supports ukraine (including in ukraine). Just the impact of russia not being able to supply europe via ukraine is enough to destabilize most of the EU. >Sanctions will somehow hurt russia even though that's been demonstrated not to be the case What?
>>41045 >Well, unfortunately for Russia, they've already stockpiled enough oil and gas to last them through the winter. Proofs? >They have a equipment shortage right now, sure. But that can be flipped in the span of a year when the rest of your neighbors are giving you their surplus tanks, artillery, munitions, and most importantly, information of the Russian Army's movement. The EU still has surplus armor??? Speaking of excuses for mobilization, would the ongoing habbeding between Armenia and Azerbaijan be enough for that?
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>>41047 >Drones, autonomous vehicles. It's changing the battlefield tactics big time already and will only keep evolving, what autonomous tech offers hasn't fully been applied/exploited on the battlefield yet. Drones are the only ones so far to make an actual effect in the war. Autonomous tech won't be around until self-driving cars are things. Which are 'always around the corner', just like nuclear fusion. >Russia made a concerted effort to source all drone parts domestically for example. Yes, but as i said, they can't do it all. As seen in >>40904. Not to mention, they're behind the the US or Taiwan in chip manufacturing for a decade atleast, just like China. https://asiatimes.com/2022/08/russias-chips-failure-coming-home-to-roost/ >How long will the popular support last under these conditions? You seem to forget that these are the same people who managed to indoctrinate that having multiculturalism is 'progressive' and taking in refugees from the ME and Africa is good for the economy. If they can make that happen, making their own people suffer through energy shortage would be easy. >>41048 >Why the fuck would russia have to do anything? The west already ran out their coffers and nobody in europe supports ukraine (including in ukraine). Just the impact of russia not being able to supply europe via ukraine is enough to destabilize most of the EU. Ok. That's like, your opinion dude. >>41049 >PROOFS? https://graphics.reuters.com/UKRAINE-CRISIS/EUROPE-GAS/zdvxozxzopx/ You're still fucked btw since you don't have any NPPs, unlike France. >The EU still has surplus armor??? Hey kraut, not all the EU are toothless grandmas like you or the UK. Just look at Poland's mad dash to get M1 Abrams and Apaches. https://www.army.mil/article/259640/u_s_army_supports_polish_allies_with_abrams_tanks_and_training https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/08/a-european-powerhouse-polish-military.html
>>41037 >It could excuse anything. Absolutely, i'm not saying that to excuse anything, i'm saying that because i'm tired of people pretending to know other's objectives so they can say they failed at them, that's not a real analysis no matter which side you're one, either trusting the plan or thinking that the "SMO" has failed miserably. >Finland to seek NATO membership. It could be argued that they were already for all intents and purposes, but yeah it's still bad for Russia >I don't see how the half assed SMO intervention improved anything It's still not over though, if the plan is to put pressure on Ukraine until it breaks then there's still plenty of time. Though i do agree it seems very half assed so far. >I said that Russians and Ukrainians were one people – a single whole. Exactly, it's rhetoric like that that supports the idea that Russia never wanted total war or anything close >The prolonged strife and commensurate devastation has created a bitterness that will last for generations. Maybe, but look at the chechens now for example, they have re-integrated sort of even after 2 extremely vicious conflicts All in all i just think it's still early to tell, the Russian leadership seem to be happy with how things are going, which obviously could be propaganda and face saving, or maybe the limited "SMO" is going more or less as they expected, i'd say probably both >>41038 >They would have despised him just as much as they do now, but at least there would be real fear. The issue is whose opinion of him does he care about? probably not much by westerners and if he wants to eventually win the hearts and minds of Ukrainians maybe this is the way to go, as others have pointed out Putin has always showed a lot of restraint in military matters.
>>41051 > All in all i just think it's still early to tell Fair enough. There's a great damn many things which could happen between now and any possible end to the conflict. At this rate I half expect something completely out of the blue like a Dutch Elm Disease style doomsday pathogen for a staple cereal or the discovery of fucking Tiberium.
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I still can't understand why anyone thinks the war is supposed to be over so quickly, if one country can't obliterate another in a couple months then usually that means shit is going to last for a couple years at least. Is this the result of technology turning people into ADHD retards or do people simply not understand geopolitical conflicts aren't typically an overnight affair and the technology has merely exposed this?
>>41055 I think noone here is saying that. Just people screeching which side is winning or losing.
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>>41055 Because actual NATO modern warfare moves fast and breaks things.
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>>41050 Oil and gas is to Russia as King Cotton was to the Confederacy.
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Most Slovaks want Russia to with Ukraine war
>The head of Crimea responded to Kadyrov's call to gather 85,000 volunteers from all regions to be sent to the front. >"All regions are working in this direction. Crimea has already deployed more than 1,200 volunteers and is forming 2 more battalions to be sent to the front. We will fully provide them with equipment, means of protection, communications and intelligence. The process is underway, we are trying to ensure that everyone leaves fully equipped," Aksyonov said. >Earlier, the head of Chechnya called for "self-mobilization", so that 85,000 volunteers would be recruited from 85 subjects of the Russian Federation to support Russian Armed Forces and their allies in Ukraine. >you refuse to mobilize the people, so the people decide to mobilize themselves 200 IQ move
>>41056 Well it certainly gives off that impression when every other day some idiot is making gigantic tirades about how a battle that just happened means the total destruction of the other side. >>41057 There is nothing fast about NATO. At least nothing they do intentionally, it seems one of the biggest points of it post-cold war is to make countries indebted to the organization, so they want to prolong things as much as possible so whoever they're "protecting" owes more and more war debt. Which is probably exactly what is happening with Ukraine, if they wanted to truly put an end to the conflict asap they wouldn't have flooded the hohols with shitloads of equipment and money at all and would have instead ousted Zelensky like they've ousted his predecessors whenever they pleased. NATO's continued hostility towards Russia hell their entire existence from the 90s onward despite the utter collapse of the Soviets (the regime NATO was supposedly specifically formed to oppose) just points to them being a massive protection racket as far as I'm concerned. And before some idiot stumbles over himself to screech vatnik at me I'm not saying Russia is some benign entity either, but things would probably be a lot more calm in that region if it wasn't for the deliberate extension of cold war era hostilities that were originally directed at a regime that hasn't existed in over 30 years specifically to benefit a bloated and cancerous western military industrial complex.
>>41061 >Well it certainly gives off that impression when every other day some idiot is making gigantic tirades about how a battle that just happened means the total destruction of the other side. I think everyone should be desensitized to it right now. I mean there's just so many events or trends that happened and didn't get covered like the Failed Kherson Offensive where Ukie Forward Elements waltzed on open field and gets bombarded, The sparse 'air war' where most helicopters just lobs rockets due to fear of MANPADS, Russian ammo depots getting blown up in the middle of a night, or the fact that most tanks now fire out of LOS to maximize range.
>>41057 Until it meets any actual opposition like at Lyman or Kherson...
>power grid starts being targeted >things go pretty quiet Or has the news/propaganda about this shit just gotten so repetitive that recent happenings sound like a rerun?
>>41010 I think this is a good read on Russian strategy, but it doesn't take into account the proxy war between Russia & NATO. Without such overwhelming Western support for Ukraine, it probably would collapse. As it is, Russia may not need full-scale mobilization, but they should commit more forces to secure the momentum. >>41017 >Even so, Russia is half-assing it and still winning for the most part that is true. >Because they haven't even tried you dumbfuck! >Why is every Ukrainian shill so delusional? why do they think Russia has sent their entire army and gotten it destroyed? hohol propaganda has convinced them of an alternate reality where Russia is a pathetic cartoon villain, and they're hurling all their might at the Spartan Ukrainians for piddling gains. This is obviously hilarious, but people will believe anything when they want to be fooled.
I think the real issue with Russia's slacker approach to this war is that it's likely to encourage US-NATO to escalate things believing that Russia can't/won't do anything about it. Then suddenly they'll escalate too far and end up going balls deep into one of Russia's actual red lines and this causes Russia to respond suddenly in panic or anger. Everyone in the west seems to forget that no matter how badly Russia is faffing about in Ukraine that it's still a nuclear power. One with ICBMs and subs.
>>41073 Right. When Kabul fell, there was talk about NATO lost credibility. When tensions were building before the invasion people said NATO couldn't be trusted to rescue Ukraine. But half a year later NATO has being dumping more into Ukraine than it can really afford to give. Meanwhile, Russia's lackadaisical performance has inspired neither fear nor respect. It ends up making them look less reliable than NATO.
>>41073 Assuming the subs and ICBMs are better maintained than the Moskva was, which is a big assumption. Otherwise they have a couple soaked firecrackers in semi-mobile deep-sea coffins.
>>41075 With their levels of corruption their officers probably sold the nuclear cores off to the Chinese with the assumption that a) nuclear war is the least likely to happen and b) if it did happen, the country isn't worth armageddon for anyway.
>>41074 Luckily, orders for NATO weapons systems are now pouring in thanks to the live fire demonstrations in Ukraine. https://archive.ph/gxvRf
>>41077 >>41079 hohol detected.
>>41075 We know their ICBMs are because they supplied the space station before the Ukraine war and have for a couple of decades.
If RU wanted to advance a little and gain some advantage, they'd use multiple MiG-31 with X-58 against UA radars, rendering them useless, at first they should have used some cheap big rockets to waste UA's SAMs, then come in with the X-58s and rape UA's radars, tho I don't think such thing would be available with the current stealing from the RU air force, tho what can I say, retards in power make a strong force useless
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Tajikistan - Kyrgyzstan is popping off we might need a new general soon.
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US limits fentanyl exports to Russia, says it could be used to support ‘military aggression’ The Commerce Department on Friday announced new sanctions limiting the export of fentanyl and other chemicals to Russia and Belarus because of their potential to support “military aggression.” “In response to the Russian Federation’s ongoing aggression against Ukraine, the Department of Commerce is expanding the existing sanctions against Russia and Belarus by imposing new export controls,” the department’s Bureau of Industry and Security wrote. The bureau said it was expanding sanctions to include “lower-level items potentially useful for Russia’s chemical and biological weapons production capabilities.” The new sanctions also include items needed for “advanced production and development capabilities” and “advanced manufacturing” across a variety of industries. “The items that this rule adds … may be useful for Russia’s CBW [chemical and biological weapons] production and development capabilities and therefore may be used in support of its military aggression,” the Commerce Department wrote. The rule specified several chemicals including fentanyl and its derivatives alfentanil, sufentanil, remifentanil and carfentanil. Other chemicals were banned from being exported to the countries if they were in high concentrations, some 95 percent concentration or above and some 90 percent or above. The Commerce Department sanctioned exports of “chemical precursors to central nervous system acting chemicals” as well as some biologics, equipment and quantum computing and advanced manufacturing items. https://thehill.com/policy/international/3646170-us-limits-fentanyl-exports-to-russia-says-it-could-be-used-to-support-military-aggression/
>>41087 Oh no what will the ruskie drug dealers do now?
Took them long to claim war crimes in Izyum
>>41087 >limiting the export of fentanyl and other chemicals to Russia >decreasing number of degenerates in Russia >making Russia a stronger nation >increasing availability of fentanyl in US >decreasing street price of fentanyl in US >increasing degenerates in US If they want to suicide the US, this is the policy they'd choose to accomplish it. >>41085 >Tajikistan - Kyrgyzstan is popping off we might need a new general >What is WW3 general for? >>41085 Also, I thought there a (temporary?) truce even before the one to stop the fighting in Armenia/Azerbaijan was made? >>41023 >>hiring convicts >hahah I can't wait to see how this turns out. >Who was recruited to fight in Iraq? Syria? Isis caliphate? Libya? Afghanistan? Like every previous war before this one perhaps? Even in this conflict Ukraine has recruited at least two separate convict groups - general population, and Tornado.
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>>41091 >>increasing degenerates in US And then shortly there after >>decreasing degenerates in US
>>41091 >What is WW3 general for? Someone that jumped the gun and made a thread for an event that hasn't yet started? >Also, I thought there a (temporary?) truce The only one I was aware of was the Armenian/Azeri one.
>>41087 Hold up how is limiting fentanyl supposed to harm Russia?
>>41095 Medically, fentanyl is a common prescription painkiller and an anaesthetic. In the US, there were 3.7 million prescriptions for it issued in 2013. By 2019 it was down to "only" 1.4 million, but that was still enough to put it in the top 300 most-prescribed drugs. And because it's fast-acting and potent, it's a useful painkiller for combat casualties. Wikipedia offers this interesting description: >USAF Pararescue combat medics in Afghanistan used fentanyl lozenges in the form of lollipops on combat casualties from IED blasts and other trauma. The stick is taped to a finger and the lozenge put in the cheek of the person. When enough fentanyl has been absorbed, the (sedated) person generally lets the lollipop fall from the mouth, indicating sufficient analgesia and somewhat reducing the likelihood of overdose and associated risks.
>>41097 Oh ok. Doesn't Russia have a pretty hefty supply of its own painkillers regardless though? I thought they have a huge problem with it specifically because meds are so cheap for them, or am I thinking of another country?
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>the absolute state of cuckchan's /k/ I almost wish I had never bothered checking that shitpit.
>>41099 I wish you'd never wasted my time with that post. The fuck did you expect??
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Is it possible that Kadyrov will become something of a Shogun in the Donbass?
>>41103 >implying Kadyrov derives his authority from sucking up to Big Vlad himself. If Vlad lets him keep it, then he'll take it but i really don't think he'll let his Chenchen lapdog do things that could undermine his authority.
Am I correct to assume that the Ukrainian offensive is over, the lines are frozen again, and Russians managed to knock out power in Kiev, so that's why the flow of propaganda is stagnant?
>>41085 Thank you so much, Stalin, for channeling your inner Anglo and making impossibly stupid borders that would have lead to armed conflict at some point or another. >>41087 You need to drug up conscripts to convince them to immolate themselves in the name of Poutine. >>41092 Unironically, supporting trans rights is a good thing for straight people, culls the number of the mentally ill and makes it really easy to spot them.
>>41099 What did you see on your fantastic voyage, anon? >>41111 Possibly? Both pro-holol and pro-vatnik sources claimed this is what would have gone down, with the former saying it's because of the Russian Untermensch running away at incredibly hihg speeds and the latter already accepting the retreat as a pre-planned strategy to move men towards more critical targets.
>>41111 Defense Politics Asia just reported on a possible breakthrough northwest of Lyman, potentially threatening to bypass the Oskol defensive line. By coincidence(?) Russia is threatening to escalate the conflict with hundreds of aircraft and helicopters they've amassed near the theater. Could be an interesting weekend.
>>41090 One of the Russian correspondents wrote this on Telegram, make out of it what you want. >A few words about the burials in Izyum from a person who personally dealt with them. >First of all, it should be said that I personally, with comrades from a specially assigned unit of the 20th Army, went to the front line several times to collect the bodies of Ukrainian servicemen. Under the incessant shelling of the Ukrainian artillery, we took out already half-decomposed corpses to the city morgue in the city of Izyum. At that time, our command was actively looking for opportunities to transfer the remains to the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, found volunteers who could do this, but ... The Ukrainian side was constantly looking for reasons to postpone the transfer, and then completely stopped communicating. >Thus, after a couple of weeks, our fighters, together with the city funeral team, had to carry out burials at the local cemetery. All interred military personnel who had identification documents with them were recorded in a special journal. In addition, they even have death certificates issued by the city pathologist. >Now about the terrible. Moving around the city, I myself, more than once had to be an unwitting witness to the death of civilians from Ukrainian shells arriving in the private sector. When our troops were fighting on the southern outskirts of the city and the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was still finishing off residential areas, every day the funeral team brought 3-5 people to the city cemetery, whose lives were cut short as a result of this monstrous genocide. I saw the tears of mothers and fathers mourning their children, I heard the words of the locals about the fact that for Kyiv they are now all not people here, but separatists who need to be killed ... >And after all this, Zelensky has the audacity and cynicism to declare that Russian troops are to blame for the deaths of civilians! Ask the parents of Prokopenko Ruslan Danilovich, born June 13, 2002, into whose house, in front of my eyes, a shell of an APU howitzer flew in, who helped to take their son's body to the cemetery and bury it. >Of course, I understand why the West is conducting this information-psychological operation, using the Kyiv jester as a victim, but it is absolutely not clear to me how one can believe that Russian troops were shelling their rear areas.
>>41115 Not to say that it's all lies, but if this is what really happened, then they missed an opportunity to make some great propaganda footage, with civilians mourning their loved ones and bemoaning the Ukrainian shelling.
>>41116 Russians did make few short reports about that, now and then,interviews with the civilians under Ukrainian shelling and such. They put special emphasis on refusal of Ukrainian side to take the bodies, hell, they've been complaining about that for months now. But yeah, Russians have been severely underwhelming with their propaganda. I guess they figured average westoid won't even consider their point of view, so fuck it. Especially with complete media blackout, and RT getting nuked, not to mention jewgle/ddg censoring Russian sources and pushing Ukrainian narrative hard.
>>41115 That makes far more sense than Russians committing war crimes for reasons
>>41115 reminder that disregard for human life is a slav pastime. everything the hohols are doing to the vatniks, the vatniks are reciprocating as well. you just never hear about that until 20 years later.
>>41118 I'm not saying they didn't kill a civvie or five during the whole campaign, either by accident or mistake, since UAF has a habit of parking military gear right next to civilian buildings, and distributing literal truckloads of AKs to random pedestrians with no discernable combatant markings, which is kinda understandable since they're into total defense doctrine mode. Just that it makes no sense for them to kill them for shits and giggles, especially since they know they're gonna get blamed for even the smallest infringement. They only recently started to actually bomb rear area infrastructure that affects general civilian populace . All while UAF are casually bombing center of Donetsk and assassinating civil servicemen left and right. Average westerner has marvel tier understanding of world outside of their bubble, so I guess painting someone Saturday morning cartoon villain still sells with general western populace.
Speaking of war crimes, is there a conclusive answer to what happened in Bucha by now? Last thing I read here is that it was sketchy because there were no reports until after Azov moved through there but nothing after that.
>>41122 Not to be rude, but you have to be quite naive to believe that we will ever know for sure what happened there.
>>41099 to be expected really
>>41122 >Speaking of war crimes, is there a conclusive answer to what happened in Bucha by now? >Russians left Bucha >Bucha Mayor confirmed in speech. No mention of any killings. >Ukrainians hear Russians gone and come back a few days later at the start of the following month. >Fresh bodies with clean white hand ties start appearing >International incident declared on MSM Possibly Ukrainians got trigger happy shooting alleged collaborators - if it wasn't one of the many scripted photoshoots. The "Russians did it!" ruse was as fake as that woman who got sacked for lies that Russians were raping. t. No skin in either hohol, or vatnik side. Exposing the lying bastard MSM is honorable duty for all.
>>41127 >cia monarch vid wrong vid. Should've been this one.
>>41093 >>Also, I thought there a (temporary?) truce >The only one I was aware of was the Armenian/Azeri one. There was a temporary truce for Tajikistan + Kyrgyzstan too, but it didn't hold for long.
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>>41113 Various faggotry, endless Ukraine circlejerking, tripfags fellating each other in generals. Even the Canadian thread there is a pile of shite with them obsessing over various boogeymen that slighted them and live in their heads free of rent to this day. Frankly they're just like /cow/kikes in comparable levels of obsession. If you really are curious, go to the leaf thread there on 4/k/ike and call them "/cuckgen/" much lulz are guarenteed.
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>>41122 >>41127 >muh warcrimes >Says the Western pundits who doesn't bat an eye when a drone strike kills 12 in the middle of bumfuckistan Mark my fucking words, Russia will get away with it. Or at the very least, delay the 'trial' or 'hearing' till it's no longer relevant. Just like our friend the Chinese are doing. or we did back in the 60s-70s. Plus are there any evidence besides the bodies and eyewitness testimonies? Any written orders or superiors ordering it? If not, then it could be just another wave of unjust executions that are rampant in war-torn areas. I get that it's hard to unravel who did these killings, but wait until the war is fucking over. >>41111 It's not over, the Ukraine are just consolidating their gains in Kharkiv as well as building up more forces in Kherson and Sverodonestk. While the Russians are licking their wounds and regrouping after the complete rout. It's not so bleak for the Russians since the 1st Guards Tank Division personnel have not been entirely annihilated, but at the same time they've been literally sourcing their own tanks for the Ukrainians to use against them. And the amount and quality ain't no slouch either. The equipment are generally above average with T-80s being the norm, which are definitely not the kind of tanks you want your enemies to have a hold on. So, There's no rapid gains whatsoever as of yet, since one side is still exploiting the breakthrough while the other are regrouping.
>>41136 >It's not over, the Ukraine are just consolidating their gains in Kharkiv as well as building up more forces in Kherson and Sverodonestk. And when can we expect their next move?
>A student in Bremen, Germany found an online store selling Stingers and contacted the police. Journalists from Hamburg and other cities have already found out that the weapons were intended for the Kharkov counteroffensive, but ended up on the European black market.
>>41142 Traveling by plane is about to get very exciting in the coming years.
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>>41143 >Traveling by plane is about to get very exciting in the coming years >about to get >future tense >doesn't know they've been dropping out of the sky for the last two years due to poor maintenance schedules from COVID lockdowns and vaxxed pilot medical emergencies. Flight is already pretty spicy. Plus, did you forget MH17 was shot down in Ukraine in 2014?
>>41136 >Russia will get away with it. >Getting away with something they could not have done based on the chronology of events uh, ok.
>>41142 Does Russia have a Stinger equivalent already?
>>41149 >Does Russia have a Stinger equivalent already? Why are you here?
>>41152 To ask about weapons apparently
>>41153 I assume anybody coming to /k/ would at least have basic understanding and knowlage of variety of weapon systems. Not just limited to side arms/long arms. But to answer the questions. Yes Russians have two comparable MANPADS systems, Igla and it's variations and to lesser extent, Strela.
>>41135 That sounds like no fun at all I wonder how will future anons ever find out about small boards like this one with how the internet just promotes shit all day long >>41136 >It's not so bleak for the Russians since the 1st Guards Tank Division personnel have not been entirely annihilated, but at the same time they've been literally sourcing their own tanks for the Ukrainians to use against them. And the amount and quality ain't no slouch either. The equipment are generally above average with T-80s being the norm, which are definitely not the kind of tanks you want your enemies to have a hold on. I've read a ton of people, even among the pro-holol side, arguing that it's probably best not to keep captured outdated armaments outside of scrap material. >>41145 Ultimately the loser will have to respond for the crimes of the victors, as history always tells us.
>>41141 >And when can we expect their next move? Probably within the next month (to make the best of their huge morale boost) or after April next year (because it's Spring) . I don't think they're suicidal enough to start a major counter-offensive during Mud season or in the winter. But who knows, as proven by their meatgrinder at Kherson. >>41155 >I've read a ton of people, even among the pro-holol side, arguing that it's probably best not to keep captured outdated armaments outside of scrap material. Ukraine has been using bottom of the barrel shit ever since the war started. I think they will use it at the end since a lot of the stuff found abandoned are in pretty good condition.
>>41157 >after April next year If they can survive until then, they seem quite suicidal, or at the very least they've made the calculation that PR victories are worth the corpses
>>41157 >>41158 They are already crossing the Oskil.
Civic Chambers of both DNR and LNR have requested an urgent referendum on joining the Russian Federation.
>>41159 They're doing better than expected >>41160 That reads of desperation, but it also opens the door to attacks on them being considered attacks on Russia and so the SMO being "upgraded", it would surprise me if Putin turns that down though
>>41161 >it also opens the door to attacks on them being considered attacks on Russia and so the SMO being "upgraded" Feels like that's probably the reason, yeah. I imagine people who reasonably expected to stay on the russian side of the line and are now watching war criminals march towards them are pretty desperate.
>>41160 It makes sense. Russia is justifying the war to the international community through a nationalist approach of saving Russians abroad to appeal to China and India. Both are more or less more angry at NATO involvement in Ukraine than they are at Russia for invading Ukraine so Russia has the perfect opportunity to do so without any real rebuke from their primary consumerbase. Factor in the recent fuckups by the LNR/DNR when the reigns were handed over to them for the defense of the Donbass area and they're probably looking at joining Russia officially as preferable to dealing with the consequences of their actions with explaining the loss of territory to the civilians.
>>41157 >after April next year (because it's Spring) >>41158 >If they can survive until then Maybe a month until the heating season is due to start, wonder how their gas/coal/etc reserves are with recent prices in EU + Russia starting to target infrastructure. Hoholodomor 2.0?
>>41161 >opens the door to attacks on them being considered attacks on Russia and so the SMO being "upgraded" >>41162 >Feels like that's probably the reason, yeah. Attacks in Crimea weren't good enough? I bet there'd be more domestic support for defending Crimea than DNR/LNR.
>>41159 Goddamn, how did they even slip through without getting spotted? Are the LPR conscripts that inept? >>41160 Sounds desperate, but i think this won't do much. >>41168 >Hoholodomor 2.0? Not a chance. Ukraine is the world's breadbasket. They can stock up enough wheat to last them for years if they have to. Even now they're already even resuming their agricultural production even if it's marred by manpower problems (general mobilization), blockade by the Russians (killing imports such as tractors, fertilizers, pesticides, etc.), war conditions (try plowing in an active warzone), as well as the fact that most of the fighting happened in the main grain producing areas in the South and East.
>>41155 >future anons ever find out Anons as we knew them are few in between, right now the big imageboards are being used as scroll-only aggregators rather than forums by newcomers and honestly by many oldfags who are tired of interacting. Now i know how anons in the text-only boards felt about us.
>The State Duma of the Russian Federation introduces the concepts of "mobilization", "martial law" and "wartime" into the Criminal Code. >Voluntary surrender, looting and unauthorized abandonment of a unit during the period of hostilities entails imprisonment of up to 15 years. >The State Duma on the eve introduced a package of amendments to the bill on amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, adopted in the first reading in July. >The amendments introduce a whole set of new articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: "Voluntary surrender" (Article 352.1) and "Looting" (Article 356.1). For surrender, one faces from three to 10 years in prison, if there are no signs of high treason. For looting - up to 15 years in prison. >The list of aggravating circumstances includes the commission of a crime “during the period of mobilization or martial law, in wartime” (Article 63). >Unauthorized abandonment of the unit during the period of mobilization and martial law (Article 337 of the Criminal Code) will be punished more severely: >from two to 10 days - up to 5 years in prison, and not up to one year >from 10 to one month - up to 7 years in prison, and not up to three years >more than a month - from 5 to 10 years in a colony, and not up to five years. >Refuseniks. Non-fulfillment by subordinates of the order of the chief, given in the prescribed manner, during martial law, in wartime or in the conditions of an armed conflict or combat operations, as well as refusal to participate in military or hostilities, it is proposed to punish with imprisonment for a term of two to three years ( Part 2.1 of Article 332 of the Criminal Code). >A group of articles is also introduced on non-execution of the state defense order and violation of the terms of the state contract (articles 201.2, 201.3, 285.5, 285.6 of the Criminal Code). >The second reading of the bill is scheduled today. The State Duma can adopt it simultaneously in the third, final one. By analogy with the package of laws on military censorship, it can be approved by the Federation Council, signed by the president and published before the end of the day. >The bill comes into force from the day of its official publication. Sounds to me Russia is possibly preparing for prolonged armed conflict. Maybe even a possible mobilization further down the line, or at least entertaining the idea.
>>41173 >Poutine legalized the No Step Back policy I mean it worked last time
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>>41174 Far cry from Order 227, but it's s a start. I reckon it will perfectly tie in with the imminent recognition of DNR/LNR as an integral part of Russian Federation. Now they get to have their casus belli when Ukraine does their traditional punitive shelling of Donetsk, and can finally whip out a conscript stick and start whacking. Then again, Ukrainians have been shelling small villages/towns whiting Russia proper and nothing happened. We'll have to wait and see.
Muh referendums will be held just in a few days, i think the next few weeks will be pretty eventful
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>Belarus begins preparations for "wartime". >Lukashenko instructed to start preparing for the defense of the state according to wartime norms
>>41173 >>41174 But m-m-muh Ukraine is the desperate one using barrier troops!
What will NATO's reaction be to the mobilization? Continuing to send supplies will certainly be meaningless if Russia mobilizes and sends more men. Even with the presumed distractions in Central Asia and the Caucasus, they'll either have to quit while they're ahead or, since they're dedicated to defending the Ukrainians, retaliate with war themselves.
>>41180 NATO will do jack shit pure and simple. For Ukraine to win they need to overhaul their logistics(We shouldn’t need to wait 5 years for a few months worth of new wunderwaffens) and training. The time to do so was months ago, and I get the feeling Ukraine’s recent gains are going to give them a sense of overconfidence.
>>41180 Does NATO itself have the resources to sell a war which most of the member states have no interest in at all?
>>41173 >>41174 >Unauthorized abandonment of the unit during the period of mobilization and martial law (Article 337 of the Criminal Code) will be punished more severely: >from two to 10 days - up to 5 years in prison, and not up to one year >from 10 to one month - up to 7 years in prison, and not up to three years >more than a month - from 5 to 10 years in a colony, and not up to five years. Well, that's a start. It's only going to get interesting from now on. >>41182 >Does NATO itself have the resources to sell a war which most of the member states have no interest in at all? Of course not, but having a proxy to fight their wars for them? Now that's a bargain!
>>41180 This is a NATO proxy war.
>“Any attacks by Kiev’s forces following the referendum results will be regarded as aggression against the Russian Federation .” - Senator Kovitidi Alrighty then
>>41180 They'll either back off or fuck around and find out.
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Putin Accused of Sending Serial Killers and a Cannibal to Fight His War https://archive.ph/iBUnO I just hope it's true.
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>Putin is 2 hours late for his own pre-recorded address
>>41188 To be more accurate Wagner is. Apparently they get out in six months. If they can survive six months. The survival rate seems to be around 10% from what I can gather.
>>41190 Putin is typically late. He's kept the pope waiting and both foreign abd domestic dignitaries typically have to wait 1-4 hours to speak with him. It is unusual for him to be late to a televised event though.
>>40909 pretty accurate. like left vs right politics this is shaping up like two sides of the same WEF agenda. Whoever wins, you lose.
>>41192 It's been cancelled and rescheduled for tomorrow.
>>41191 sounds like Gamer to me
A little bit of humor. After the talks of possible mobilization in Russia, a new trending search queries popped up. >Как прыгать на бтр если болят колени >How to jump on armored personnel carrier if your knees hurt This is the most slav thing I've read in a while.
>>41196 The only question is do they hurt because of squatting, or because of sucking too much dick on the down low?
>>41197 Well they aren't Ukrainian, German, nor live on the US coasts so I assume squatting
>>41197 >americans can't help but devolve everything to faggots, niggers and faggot niggers. pottery
>>41201 While Americans are like that unfortunately, Slavs do have a tendency to sit on bottles and get brooms shoved up their ass.
>>41202 >Slavs do have a tendency to sit on bottles >implying it wasn't roving Albanian butt-pirates
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>>41202 >Slavs do have a tendency to sit on bottles and get brooms shoved up their ass. For sexual reasons or just because they're drunk and bored?
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>Putin has announced a partial mobilization
>>41204 The motivations of people like Đorđe Martinović is something only they can really understand.
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>>41206 It better be enough to conquer Odessa.
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>>41206 In a country as big as Russia, sudden full mobilization would just paralyze logistics, as according to the MoD the mobilization resource is around 25 million. So that was to be expected. Shoigu said they'll mobilize around 300000 reservists this time, also that the official Russian losses are 5937 at this moment.
>>41206 I'm assuming they don't want to escalate too quickly nor leave their Eastern front open in case NATO decides to kill us all.
>>41206 >>41210 >>41211 Is it finally happening?
>>41206 >Partial Took them long enough, this is very significant since the SMO narrative has finally thrown out the window and they're actually building up for an actual hot war instead of the paltry force that it has sent . I'm with >>41211 >>41210 since, like China, Russia has a lot of interior forces on standby and they cannot possibly transition into a war economy on a whim.
>>41135 It's like dumpster-diving and reporting that you found garbage. cuckchan has been cucked since 2014, when they banned discussion of gamergate. Not that I was personally involved, but once they started censoring topics because of hurt feelings, it was all ogre from there. >>41213 yes, it's about time. Russia has finally realized that it needs to expand its commitment to keep up momentum and make more gainz. Should be an interesting fall/winter, with Russia rolling up territory east of the Dneiper while Europe freezes.
>>41210 >Russian losses are 5937 at this moment. I call bullshit on that, but then again, Shoigu would only say casualties whitin RuAF. DNR/LNR, Rosgvardia, FSB etc would count their casualties on separate ledger. Either way, casualties are certainly higher.
Alright, so... Now that Russians decided to take this shit with some semblance of seriousness, how would this impact their goals in Ukraine? I reckon Odessa is now a realistic possibility again, as well as returning territory yield to Ukrainians in Kharkov in the previous few weeks. However, it will take some time to fully equip and re familiarize the mobilized men with their gear/command. This critical period leaves Russian forces vulnerable to another big offensive by NATO Ukrainians. Either way, I think we can expect another large offensive by UAF, sort of a hail Mary attempt to knock out Russian troops from Kherson, and even a possible attack towards Mariupol and the twin republics. This must be achieved before Russians finish their mobilization drive. West will probably throw last of their stockpiles at Ukraine for the next offensive, as well as 'mercenaries' and Intel. It's gonna get interesting in the next few months.
>>41214 >Should be an interesting fall/winter, with Russia rolling up territory east of the Dneiper while Europe freezes. If we assume that it takes 3 months to get reservists to the combat ready state, those reinforcements would only come in January/February.
>>41214 >banning some reddit shit is what made it cucked site died when it banned loli >>41215 I imagine that's the number of russian's whose families have been told that they've died, which probably precludes any deaths on active fronts. Russian casualties are actually pretty low because injured can actually be recovered from the frontlines for the most part though
>>41217 >Alright, so... Now that Russians decided to take this shit with some semblance of seriousness, how would this impact their goals in Ukraine? Pretty heavy since as one commentator puts it, the current state of Russian Forces in Ukraine is 'All Metal but no Manpower' which is due to the Special Military Operation status means that only volunteers and full-time troops are in Ukraine which sounds a lot, but Russia cannot afford to keep a lot of active duty troops on payroll at the same time so in actuality it's not that many, barely enough to outnumber the UAF at the start. Now that they've pressed the mobilization button, they've pretty much working on filling their ranks to grind down the Ukies. >I reckon Odessa is now a realistic possibility again, as well as returning territory yield to Ukrainians in Kharkov in the previous few weeks. However, it will take some time to fully equip and re familiarize the mobilized men with their gear/command. This critical period leaves Russian forces vulnerable to another big offensive by NATO Ukrainians. Either way, I think we can expect another large offensive by UAF, sort of a hail Mary attempt to knock out Russian troops from Kherson, and even a possible attack towards Mariupol and the twin republics. This must be achieved before Russians finish their mobilization drive. Kherson will not fall for as fast as Kharkiv. Ukrainians have been bashing their head against it for for a month now and the frontlines barely changed. The only way for it to fall is for Ukraine to continue the grind until the defending forces is out of munitions, which is a sound tactic as the main bridge connecting it has been blown up to smithereens. Mariupol is another pipe dream for the Ukrainians since it's hard to get there when you haven't even crossed the river. >West will probably throw last of their stockpiles at Ukraine for the next offensive, as well as 'mercenaries' and Intel. This is where it gets fun. We've already seen the foreign legion even if it's mostly actual veterans or average joes at play, but sooner or later there will be some sort of 'Volunteer force' clandestinely sponsored by NATO
>>41218 it depends on whether they're beginning the process now, or whether there's been quiet preparations before the announcement. >>41219 point taken. and my estimate for Russian casualties is in the low thousands, maybe 2-4k.
>>41220 >Now that they've pressed the mobilization button, they've pretty much working on filling their ranks to grind down the Ukies I wonder what are their actual casualties. Unfortunately I'm not as optimistic as some streloks here. While I do think Russians have been trading quite favorable, especially the better equipped RuAF, which can be seen from Kherson offensive, they nevertheless suffered casualties, I have zero confidence they're actually as low as 6K. 10K should be more realistic estimate from what I've seen and that's being also optimistic. I don't even want to guess UAF casualties, no point in that. Rybar had allegedly insider source whitin Ukrainian goverment structure, but the leak was plugged months ago. Anyway, now that Russians are finally putting some meat to the bone, as long as they leverage their Artillery/Airpower superiority, we should start to see some developments early in the next year. I think this war will go on untill one's side home front collapses. >but sooner or later there will be some sort of 'Volunteer force' clandestinely sponsored by NATO This is pretty much only course of action left to the west if they want to keep proxy war going for longer. Each sides keeps upping the stakes, Russia upped the stakes by mobilization, now it's west's turn. Funny enough, I think Putin being head of Russian Federation is best thing for the west. He is considered more moderate and dovish among Russian politicians when it comes to military matters
>>41221 >there's been quiet preparations before the announcement. Sounds pretty likely, it's how the war started after all and as other's point out they can't afford to wait too much or the Ukrainians will throw everything at them which just might get some results.
>>41217 If they are actually mobilizing 300k and those aren't logistical personnel numbers, then realistically they could take either Kharkiv or Nikolaev before Winter really sets in. Theoretically they could take Odessa/Zaporizhia as well, or both, but Russian performance has been both amazing and lackluster at the same time so far.
>>41222 I suspect Russia's deaths are roughly 1/3rd to 1/5th Ukraine's deaths, depending on which source you use. The thing about an artillery war is you don't have to die a dog's death if you're the attacker.
>>41217 Plane tickets out of the country are sold out.
>>41224 >but Russian performance has been both amazing and lackluster at the same time so far. That's word for word I'd use to describe it as well. Kinda like when studying WW2 Soviet performance I'd often go "How the hell did they manage not to lose?" and "How the hell didn't they win sooner?". It goes to show war is myriad of successes and failures on every side. It's easy to analyze when hindsight is 20/20, doing it during an ongoing conflict is nearly impossible. I'm just hoping future historians with access to archives will be half as good as Glantz >>41225 >I suspect Russia's deaths are roughly 1/3rd to 1/5th Ukraine's deathsm Something along those lines I'd say, they still retain substantial advantages especially in artillery, and artillery is king. Russia has been relatively consistent with CASEVAC, as they have dedicated rotatory wing assets used for evacuation. Of curse, you're not able to cover efficiently the whole front so fuck ups are espected. The thing is, even with their retreat bordering on rout in Kharkov, they didn't actually lose much manpower, only their decency, pride and some hardware and ammo, depending on how much ordnance was left at Balakleya arsenal. Also, Russia has been slinging SRBM and Crusie missile for moths now, some of those are bound to do some damage in the rear. >>41226 Lel, I guess war is pretty useful litmus test. At least they can bail by plane and not have to pay 4K europesos to draft dodge and go to Moldova, like in Ukraine. I wonder if they'll suffer any consequences after they bail.
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>>41227 It looks like buying up tickets may be useless: >Russian airlines have stopped selling tickets to Russian men aged 18 to 65 unless they can provide evidence of approval to travel from the Ministry of Defense. >All flights from Russia to available foreign destinations were sold out Wednesday after President Vladimir Putin declared a “partial” mobilization of the country’s 25 million reservists. >Flights from Moscow to the capitals of Georgia, Turkey and Armenia — which do not require visas for Russians — for Sept. 21 were unavailable within minutes of Putin’s announcement, according to Russia’s top travel planning website aviasales.ru. >By noon Moscow time, direct flights from Moscow to Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan had also stopped showing up on the website. https://www.airlive.net/breaking-russian-airlines-ordered-to-stop-selling-tickets-to-russian-men-aged-18-to-65/
>>41228 If I had the cosmic misfortune of being born an Ivan, I'd liberate a bicycle from my neighbor's yard and start pedaling to the nearest border right about now. Either that or hide out in babushka's dacha for the next couple years.
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>>41229 I dunno, man. Dakkadakkazoom day in day out, prime 15 year old Hohol pussy, a regimented schedule, and 1 square meal a day? Sounds like a great time to me.
>>41215 >>41222 To clarify, Shoigu specifies saying that it's 5973 dead with 90% of all casualties surviving, so Russian casualties are around 59k. He claims 61k dead and 49k wounded for Ukraine as well.
>>41217 >I reckon Odessa is now a realistic possibility again I know I keep repeating myself and I know I'll get the same reply over and over again, but the moment Odessa is SEVERELY threatened is the moment NATO or at least part of the EU joins the war effort for real. Give it to Moldova, give both of them to Romania, create a "free city" state under military occupation, you name it. It's no longer a Crimea situation where the entire western world was caught with their pants down. >>41220 I wonder what are the rates for draft dodgers on attacking nations? Because I recall Americans violently refusing to join WWI and 'Nam but not WWII, Korea or the Middle East. >>41222 >Funny enough, I think Putin being head of Russian Federation is best thing for the west. He is considered more moderate and dovish among Russian politicians when it comes to military matters I'd argue that him not going balls to the wall has been way worse for the West. Companies pulled out much more slowly than expected.
>>41233 It may be worth explaining that Odessa being taken would spark a greater problem since Odessa is where most of the grain entering Europe from Ukraine is coming from, and Russia controlling the entire Ukrainian sea coast would be a much bigger headache for international law if they refuse to recognize it as Russian territory. It would cement Turkey leaving NATO and denying the British their ability to fuck around in the Caucuses and it would allow the Russians to plan ICBMs much, much closer to Europe. Therefore it's no good for NATO if Russia owns it. NATO would rather risk WWIII keeping Odessa "neutral" or otherwise neutered than to allow Russian occupation.
>>41234 >Odessa is where most of the grain entering Europe from Ukraine is coming from If only they switched their railways to standard gauge after 2014. Granted, that would be a painfully slow and expensive project, in no small part because they'd have to replace their whole rolling stock. But currently all the neighbours of Ukraine (minus Russia and Belarussia, obviously) are trying their level best to put the grain into standard gauge wagons, and none of the companies in the business were prepared for that.
>>41231 Those are far more trustworthy figures. Thanks for clarification. Although, still, it shouldn't be taken as concrete as the statement is coming from belligerent side. Though Russians have been more or less accurate with figures so far. >>41233 >Odessa is SEVERELY threatened is the moment NATO or at least part of the EU joins the war effort for real. I mean, it does make sense from geopolitical point of view, however it would be marked as severe escalation with possible contact of RuAF with NATO troops. At that point I'd say limited nuclear exchange on territory of Ukraine becomes a possibility. Telltale signs of possibly of that happening would be ramp up of military production as well as ordnance stockpiling within nearest NATO countries. >I'd argue that him not going balls to the wall has been way worse for the West. Companies pulled out much more slowly than expected. Most of the companies would have pulled out anyway, both due to virtue signaling and possible consequences of breaking the imposed sanction. But Putin has been known to find a balance in politics, some of the Donbass residents even hold a grudge because he didn't want to intervene in 2014, when UAF were arguably very ill prepared. Makes you think of just how much he considers NATO encroachment a threat when he lost his shit in February.
>>41233 >the moment Odessa is SEVERELY threatened is the moment NATO or at least part of the EU joins the war effort for real. Natto will have fun times with heavily armed snow gypsies raiding their convoys if it ever comes to that. >>41234 How hard could Zelensky "hurt" the Russians by deliberately destroying Odessa's port facilities should its capture become unavoidable? Video unrelated.
>All mobilization agendas have already been handed to all 300 thousand today. They should appear at the military enlistment offices tomorrow morning from 5:00 to 7: 00 Well that was fast
>>41238 No brakes on the rooskie rape train
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>>41234 >Turkey leaving NATO And then invading Crimea themselves.
>>41238 It's an interesting question, in terms of how to prepare for mobilization like that. Clearly, you want it to be sudden, to mitigate draft-dodging. You want people getting those papers as soon as the decision is made, before they have time to find excuses or leave the country. That'll take preparation; mobilizing 300,000 people is no small feat of logistics. But on the other hand, the more preparation before it's announced and the more people involved in those preparations, the more likely you are to have leaks and rumours before the decision is officially made public, which would again give prospective draft-dodgers time to prepare.
>>41240 That's one spicy watermelon >>41238 We'll believe it when we see them gains
>>41241 i imagine they printed all the papers not long before the announcement was made, at local prints, then just used the post to send them as priority mail. Still, methinks it's a bit of a bold claim, it's quite likely that a lot of them are still sitting in mailboxes.
>>41241 Well, to be fair by 'handed' they probably mean dispatched, there's no way of knowing if most of them got into the hands of said person. This also dosent mean immediate combat duty. There's whole procedure of re training and equipping them, as well as making sure the group has at least some cohesion and familiarity. Instlling some esprit de corps will also go a long way also. So we're probably some time away from seeing the impact of the mobilized men on the ground. Now is the time for UAF to make something happen.
>>41237 >How hard could Zelensky "hurt" the Russians by deliberately destroying Odessa's port facilities should its capture become unavoidable? It would amount to petty destruction since Russia benefits more from the land itself and has operational ports at the moment. If he can find a way to paint it as the Russians destroying it during the invasion he could win some animosity towards Russia from third world countries. Odessa's port acts more as a bribe/threat to Europe than as a bribe/threat to Russia. Odessa's value for Russia lies in how international waters are defined since taking Odessa would render the sea around Crimea and the Sea of Azov as Russian territorial waters.
Strelkov's now invited to doompost on Russian TV.
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>>41206 THE FINAL WAVE IS UPON US
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>Ukrainian telegram channels making fun of Russians for mobilizing and bringing hundreds of thousands of fresh men to the front line. oh you.... sad, naive fools
>>41252 Pure cope, though they deserve the credit of forcing the Russians to not fight with their hands tied anymore
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>>41255 vatniks really gearing up, aren't they? is recruting people that have obviously stated their intent to GTFO really a good idea? they're just going to abandon the first chance they get, no amount of training/boot camp is going to make them patriotic
>>41255 Russian rusemasters
>>41256 Not only that, I'm hearing that they're giving out mobilization notices to people who got arrested on anti-mobilization protests today.
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>Saudis negotiated the release of the Azov commander in a prisoner swap What the fuck
What are the present odds of things going nuclear? 10%?
>>41256 Put 1 of them into a squad that is made up exclusively of gopniks, and he won't have much choice but to play along. Especially if it's some logistical unit in the second line, so that he can just do whatever menial task he is given without risking his life, and if he shuts up his squadmates might even treat him relatively alright. You don't need to be that motivated to put crates on a truck.
>>41256 >is recruting people that have obviously stated their intent to GTFO really a good idea? Turns them into nazis so it's ok to shoot them, thus fulfilling the Kremlin's repressed erotic fantasies >>41262 We're not reaching Nigerian-Biafra civil war levels of WTF yet
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>>41259 >>41256 Hard/dangerous jobs tend to keep you from thinking about much more than surviving until you can get your next meal. There's just too much going on with securing your own survival/injury threshold to worry about politics and women and shit. Besides, you can split them up so that they are mixed with men that do want to be there/are doing their duty as psychological warfare. Your political enemies either end up politically irrelevant by the time they get out of prison for draft dodging, end up brainwashed, or they "accidentally" get sent to some of the most dangerous fighting in the war.
>>41265 Right now? Breddy much zero unless NATO does something suicidally stupid.
>>41268 Does this guy ever takes off that stick up his ass?
>>41201 You do know slav militaries, including Russia's, have huge amounts of homo sex right? I know you delusional fags like to worship and idolize whatever fantastical image you have of slavic strongmen but it's far from reality.
>>41272 There's homo sex everywhere where you have a lot of men and not enough women to go around.
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https://archive.ph/LSdhP >Putin escalating in response to ZOG escalation >nukes are not a bluff >Xi prepares the warpath It's over.
>>41272 >>41273 All things considered, if I were stuck in a high-testosterone environment with a bunch of guys who had no access to women, I'd be less worried about getting assraped if fags were accepted than if they had no cultural presence. If homosexuality's an established thing, then fucking a dude in the ass will get interpreted as you being one of them, rather than just being a way of dominating a guy and getting your rocks off the way it is when homosexuality has no cultural presence, so non-homos will be more averse. And the actual homos would be able to just hook up with each other without needing to resort to rape.
It sounds like the 300k conscripted aren't actually conscripts but actually reserves, so they could be out on the battlefield in as little as two weeks a month. >>41274 >nukes are not a bluff They never were a bluff we're just nowhere near the point of using them unless NATO suddenly decides to sign a suicide pact to attack the Russians directly.
>>41244 >This also dosent mean immediate combat duty It is the Russians. They're known for untrained conscript soldier suicide charges and haven't been making the smartest decisions this war either. I wouldn't bet on decent training. >>41269 Except the best idea for survival in war is immediate surrender at the first opportunity. Parading unwilling conscripts around that talk about how shit Russia is would also be a major Ukrainian propaganda victory. >>41274 Of course nukes are a bluff outside of actual survival of the nation situations.
>>41279 >Except the best idea for survival in war is immediate surrender at the first opportunity. Typically the first to surrender gets shot by the enemy in war. Not even intentionally most of the time.
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>>41277 >to attack the Russians directly Russia is incorporating the Russian areas of "Ukraine." https://www.unz.com/proberts/putin-takes-decisive-step-to-turn-world-away-from-armageddon/ The war then will transform from being essentially an attack on Russia to a legally definable direct attack on Russia. Do you think this is enough to dissuade the dumbshits running the USA today? I don't. They will march directly into nuclear fire and then blame us for it.
>>41233 >>41234 I think you are underestimating the overconfidence of NATO, especially right now. The average western politician thinks that Russia is dying, and the recent gains by Ukraine are just more proof of that. These are the same people that thought the threat of sanctions and outcasting Russians alone would stop the war. They believe their own propaganda and will not act until Russia is in the process of taking Odessa. By then they will either convince themselves that it is a pyrrhic victory for Russia somehow, or throw more money in the fire in an attempt to retake it. Assuming Russia doesn't do something stupid and manages to not take Odessa of course
>>41281 Ukraine has already been bombing the Russian core territories Crimea and Belgogrod, and Russia has yet declined to escalate in response.
>>41283 Bombing is not the same as boots on the ground invaders which is what Russia will see the Ukrainian army as after the "referendums"
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> seize sovereign territory > claim it as your home territory > neener neener, if you try to take it back that's a direct attack on us and we'll nuke you! This is the kind of puerile rules lawyering I'd expect from a child. Have the Russian armed forces grown so weak that they can only advance under the protection of a nuclear umbrella? I can't believe we're staring down the barrel of an atomic escalation spiral because the Russians can't even beat a bunch of inbred, retarded khokhols. Fuck it. I've had it. Do it. Pull the fucking trigger. Let's see how "Mighty Mother Russia" fares against the combined might of NATO. If the rocket forces are on par with the rest of that Slavic shitshow then half of their delivery vehicles will blow up on launch and the rest had their core components sold on the black market decades ago. It's not like I'll be upset if some of the Blue metropolises get deleted anyway.
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>>41284 Russia might see it that way, but will Russians?
>>41286 >because the Russians can't even beat a bunch of inbred, retarded kokhols. First, Putin has leveraged only a fraction of his military. This was a "limited special operation." Basically he opened this thing as a grandiose policing job, which imo was stupid. Second, the full weight of ZOG has been thrown into Ukraine, including what is essentially now a mercenary army since Russia killed the original Ukie force. NATO is already essentially fighting on the ground. It turns out that the combined might of NATO isn't as overwhelming as you think. The new mercs captured a supply hub after getting churned into ground meat for months and act like they won everything. It's really embarassing. Then again we saw what happened to ZOG troops in Afghanistan so it should only really be a surprise to morons.
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>>41288 Putin just released dozens of NATO mercs in a prisoner exchange. Stop sucking off this fucking muppet.
>>41287 Probably a good enough chunk in any case the mobilization so far will be of reservists >>41289 That's the point of prisoner exchanges
>>41286 >pulling bullshit out of your ass to legitimize your claims on old lost territory is somehow new and childish This has happened all throughout history. No one actually believes it, it is just legalize to justify taking what you can. <Heckin Russia is no match for NATO Is the exact logic that will lose this war.
I still don't get why NATO supports ukraine? The only because russia attacked it. Is the only reason. Maybe outside of their resources, but do they think they won't get grain shipments if russia takes over it? But it isn't democratic, it isn't pro-everything in the west, it is just pro american now, but also they glorify nazism and in the west before february of '22 every fucking news site shitted on ukraine and talked about how ukraine is just another russia. It feels like NATO has something more to dowith ukraine then just expansions.
So is the 300k like actual 300k or is it like 100k in rotations of three? Either way would make a huge difference since Russia is adding Ukraine's entire deployable army, but those are two incredibly different beasts. The aircraft gathering surprises me more. Russia is claiming 300+ planes and 300+ helicopters at the border on standby right now which is more than most European nations have in their entire airforce at a time when Ukraine is critically low on aircraft and to a lesser extent air defense. >>41286 The Russians are only using the nuke threat against foreign actors. The threat against the Ukrainians was "mobilization." Some suspect foul play on the part of the Russians in regards to the Izium defense/retreat in order to declare mobilization without losing political clout for doing so.
>>41295 NATO supported Ukraine because it's a short distance for NATO troops to go from Donetsk to the Caspian Sea cutting Russia off from 1/3rd of its GDP to the South, and the Eastern Ukrainian cities give the perfect breeding grounds for Western ideologues to try to latch on in Russia. NATO hardly supports Ukraine at all these days with the exception of some countries which have beef with Russia.
>>41295 The Ukraine-Russia border is a flat empty plain and it's the only real way to attack Russia from the south. In an invasion of Russia, having Ukraine means you force the Russians to split their forces, otherwise they can just park everything on the Baltic.
>>41296 >Some suspect foul play on the part of the Russians in regards to the Izium defense/retreat in order to declare mobilization without losing political clout for doing so. That possibility occurred to me too, but I don't buy it. The Izium debacle looks worse than simply mobilizing would.
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>>41287 >cuckchan filename >retarded opinion Like peas in a pod.
>>41295 As other anons pointed out, Ukraine is of strategic importance. If the West controls it, they cut into Russia's sphere of influence, and gain an easy corridor for invasion. This is why I think it's likely that Russia will push all the way to the Carpathians for a secure border. But it's more than that. Ukraine is rich in resources, such as farmland, oil, and minerals. They also have a large population of potential debt-slaves. The idea is for govt's, NGOs, and corps to exploit the region, while the people are cucked and enslaved under "democracy". Within a generation, Ukrainian boys would be trannies & faggots, and the girls would be whores, race-mixing with the influx of Africans and Pakis, until Ukraine would just be another multi-culti shithole. Already, ZOG has tested bioweapons there, with Ukrops as guinea pigs of course. The war may be destructive, but Russian conquest is a far better alternative for the Ukrainians than the AIDS described above.
>>41295 >enemy of my enemy is my friend Also, streloks >>41297 >>41298 >>41303 have explained. The further to the east Russian borders are, the harder to defend their critical industries and infrastructure is.
Basically conscription is a form of state sanctioned slavery and when the country is made to use it it loses any kind of legitymacy and cannot pretend anymore to have best interest of their people in mind and are anything else then a bunch of unelected warlords that send waves of enslaved soldiers to achieve goals that only they benefit from. I recommend converting to Rastafarianizm, changing your name to Love Peaceman and shooting every government employe (including postmen) you can find.
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First bits of information are coming form Russia regarding the mobilization. Some military enlistment offices are completely empty (looking at you Ryazan) and some are completely chock full to such extent that they have to stop volunteers from crowding up the place and sending back people who have no subpoenas issued to them. Another thing that caught my eye >As part of the partial mobilization announced by the President of the Russian Federation, we are preparing proposals for new citizens of the Russian Federation who have Russian citizenship for less than 10 years on compulsory military service for a year for people from Central Asian countries: Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Refusal to perform military duty should entail the deprivation of Russian citizenship not only for the person liable for military service, but also for members of his family. Huh, looks like no free citizenship for future leaches minorities, you have to earn it. Also, Russians seem to be in the process of streamlining the application for foreign citizen who volunteer to fight in Ukraine, granting them veterans status, veterans pay as well as citizenship, after the completed tour or getting wounded on the front, but details are still iffy, haven't managed to find out for sure. Maybe we'll now actually see some Syrians, though I highly doubt that. Would be pretty funny if we saw thousands of Norks suddenly charge across the line in their shitty dollar store plant camo
>>41306 >Service gets you citizenship Pretty funny that >>41303 was just mentioning degenerate racemixing in Ukraine. How big will the African-Russian population be after this?
>>41262 >>41289 Moral of the story for the Russian soldiers: take no prisoners.
>>41307 >relying on sub-Saharan African to fight your battles Uh, I don't know man, I don't think they're that desperate yet, kek.
>>41305 I mean yeah, the draft was by far the worst crime in either great war and it was never prosecuted
>>41310 >>41305 Is this /pol/ or /k/?
>>41311 It's a containment thread
>>41265 >What are the present odds of things going nuclear? 10%? Much higher on present course of both sides. Almost a certainty unless one side changes strategy. Both have already committed to not changing strategy.* Depopulation was always expected in the "Great Nuclear Reset". >>40909 >bait NATO into direct participation against Russian troops then use nukes against primary NATO members - i.e. UK, US, Germany, and France. Declare final victory and establishment of New World Order (NWO). Highly likely this is how it will happen. Nearly 2 weeks after that post we now know the "bait" will be the referendum regions rejoining the Russian Federation. * t. old enough to have lived through the cold war
>>41295 Because Natto wants to replicate Operation Barbarossa, except without making the same mistakes the Germs did. A little history lesson: when it came high time to invade the Russian mainland, several battle plans were drawn up by the Nazi high command and they came up with two equally game-changing strategies: the Moscow plan and the Grozny plan. The former (which was pushed by Hitler) consisted of a morale victory by taking down the capital of Bolshevism and proving to the world that their Socialism was worse than National Socialism, the latter consisted of an economic victory, depleting the resources of the Caucasus and basically forcing a slow and painful defeat upon the Soviets. In the end, either due to political pressure or uncertainty in either's success, the Germans tried to do both things at once and failed. Natto doesn't have the luxury of projecting power into Russia through the Moscow plan, so Ukraine was seen as a way to do so with the Grozny plan. If Russia owns the regions that have an easier access to the Caucasus and/or Ukraine is down for the count, then Natto has no chance in hell of invading Russia unless they commit to amphibious assaults. >>41305 lmao Conscription is nothing new and plenty of countries have used it offensively, the issue here is that Russians and Ukies are basically family (in the actual sense, plenty of refugees moving from Russia to Western nations and Ukrainians to Russia because of uncles or relatives), but while the Ukrainians have the "benefit" of fighting for the survival of their homes, what the fuck do young vatniks fight for? >>41306 Makes a lot of sense in the context of their plummeting birthrates and high rates of abortions. >>41307 Muslims are a pretty sizable minority in Russia and the one with the highest birth rates. The Kremlin is probably planning to send as many of them to the frontier as possible. >>41265 Ideally they're still slim unless Poutine or Natto decide they've had enough of humanity. Russia won't use them unless their Moscow heartland is physically threatened, since it takes much less nuclear arsenal to wipe out the Russian race from the Earth than any other Western nation combined. The only nation capable of triggering armageddon and laughing it off are the Chinese (assuming their ICBMs are capable) since you would need to nuke so many Chinese cities just to put a small dent in their population.
>>41314 >the Moscow plan and the Grozny plan. The former (which was pushed by Hitler) Hitler was the one that consistently favoured an economic war and the push on the southern front, meanwhile the high command generally believed in a push for moscow and early on outright refused orders to the contrary at times. Still, neither plan would have been enough to win the war probably (unless it somehow shattered russian morale completely), US economic aid (including allied aid through Britain) could have kept the Soviets going anyways and is the reason they never collapsed.
>>41308 They really shouldn't have. Since Bucha or not, they'll get indicted for war crimes anyway. >>41305 >>41310 >t. Pole who doesn't understand how economics work. Economically, conscription is the best way to get more bodies on the field. Compared to having a dedicated class of fighters or having paying people to fight for you, it's much more cost-effective today to have a professional core of soldiers backed by a huge amount of men to soak up losses. Remember that the world population ballooned thanks to the Industrial Revolution, it only creeped up higher and exploded post-WW2. With today's weaponry that kills you before you can even blink, the only way to make up for the losses is to get more man to replace them, which the world as a huge surplus of. Add a dose of propaganda, jingoism and incentives, you got yourself a supply of amped up males who are eager to fight.
>>41313 Putin has consistently used nukes as a "back off" threat not as an ultimatum. I don't know why everyone thinks he'll use them. >>41316 Oh no! A bunch of names got leaked for a country where 90% of interactions are still offline! It still hasn't been established if that 300k is being split into three batches or if three batches of 300k are being sent to Ukraine. Seems to be three batches of the 300k being split up to me.
>>41317 Economically war doesn't make sense because soldiers make more money/trade producing goods for your nation than they do dead in the ground. That quip aside, we are past the days of human wave tactics. Birth rates aren't high enough to justify them and society is too specialized in our roles so a tradesman's death today is a much bigger deal than 50 years ago to industry and nation. Conscription makes sense when you lack raw manpower or when used in a "stopgap" measure, but otherwise the Americans proved in the 60s/70s that a volunteer force is superior in every way if you can maintain voluntary enrollment and America's allies have been proving that a "small" specialized military is much better in a war than a large dump of infantry. Hell, Russia has been proving that with their artillery strategy.
>>41319 Yep, you are correct in saying that conscripting average joes have a worse military value when compared to having a smaller, but highly trained, volunteer force. Not to mention the logistical problems that entails it. Thus, they provide less value per material used. However, this is Russia and Ukraine we're talking about. Both of them have manpower shortages, have huge population bases to draw from, so it makes sense to conscript huge amount of people to fight while also replenishing the actual core of the army. And while human wave tactics are now obsolete, the war has shown that infantry is still required to hold down territory and there's a lot of territory to cover in Ukraine.
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>>41305 >Love Peaceman >not War Peaceman >not Ceasefire Offensiveman
>>41319 >Birth rates aren't high enough to justify them Those will probably increase though due to mortality salience
>>41322 Maybe. I think the code has been cracked on this one to destroy birthrates. Women don't experience mortality salience until they are almost at menopause's doorstep (they lose 90% of their eggs by 30 and most don't experience it until their 40s/50s), and it takes two to tango. Until women start feeling their eggs drying up I think that's wishful thinking that a woman will care about her mortality.
>>41323 Increase due to the war not them hitting the wall
>>41319 >Economically war doesn't make sense because soldiers make more money/trade producing goods for your nation than they do dead in the ground. That is why you replace them with foreigners that will work for less.
>>41315 Oh yeah, it's true. Fundamentally he was trying to export the country's debt onto foreign lands, which is why until he could conquer enough farm land he would have staid in a state of constant war. >>41316 Quick, cancel them on twitter
>>41262 >Russia assisting Azov by releasing their commander >What the fuck I wouldn't expect otherwise anon. Don't you know both Zelensky and Putin are on the same side? Jewkraine's Zelensky is making $50,000USD per month renting out one of his mansions (this particular one is in Italy)? Did you know the people he rents it to are Russians? What are the effects of war? Death, lots of it. Poverty for all but the richest. Starvation causing people to consume 'food' they otherwise would not. (Horse meat in 1940s WW2, and bugs in post-apocalypse 2030) Medical treatment for the richest only. Depopulation from all of the above. Amazing how this perfectly matches the aims of THE GREAT RESET agenda, isn't it?
How to beat the draft Part I >Get conscripted to die for ZOG >Find kike >End kike >Go high score for bonus >Nothing left to lose when anon is being sent to his death anyway F Part II >Anon taken alive >Psychological evaluation on mental state >Why did you do it, anon? >Wanted know how killing feels because being sent to kill >Did you feel, anon? >Anon felt nothing >Score maxxed out: Psychopath/10 >Anon not suitable for deployment. Likely to frag superiors given opportunity. Enjoy indefinite NEET comfort
>>41328 That assumes you're going to die as a conscript. That's a foregone conclusion if you're Ukrainian and under constant shelling, but generally conscripts are needed more in the back end for driving trucks and shit rather than the front end getting blasted by the enemy.
I don't want to die of nuclear hellfire because putdup wtf
>>41327 Take your meds
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Here's your new army bro
>>41327 This
>>41332 I mean, that's pretty much the picture you get if you herd together a semi-random selection of Russian men, so I'm not sure what you want to imply here.
>>41334 They're at Moscow airport for flights out of the country.
>>41329 >but generally conscripts are needed more in the back end for driving trucks and shit rather than the front >generally "generally" is not "all". Besides you'd get rotated on to the front because Ivan from the front can still drive a truck with missing trigger fingers, but not shoot. >>41331 >Take your meds >born yesterday We learned in 2021 that COVID meds don't work unless you take yours, faggot.
>>41305 cracking post my lad
>>41307 You're assuming the foreign volunteers aren't going to be the first waves launched into the grinder and won't suffer tremendous casualties. You're also assuming Africans are easily capable of surviving in a cold as fuck combat zone, they're barely able to manage in their home territory what makes you think they'd do any better at a latitude that regularly sees below zero temperatures during its long as fuck winters and against an enemy that has any semblance of the ability to aim their rifles?
>>41316 The fuck is this supposed to accomplish?
>>41341 Honestly doesn't sound like a bad gig since the other military method is the Russian foreign legion which gets treated even worse.
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>>41327 >Putler literally just started a war that all his kike oligarchs were kvetching and did not want >Jailed quite a few >kikes fleeing the country even >Globalism takes a fuckhuge hit <But they're on the same side <No I won't explain why I'll never understand this faggotry
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Will Russia deploy its conscripts in time to stop the imminent Ukrainian offensive? Will the republics hold successful referendums? Tune in next week on Putinball Z!
>>41345 After a month of offensives you'd think they'd be running out of resources, in any case Russia can always re-invade from other areas like in the beginning. I have no doubt Ukraine will something big soon, but i have my doubts it will be ultimately effective.
>>41344 >this goy actually thinks Putin is on his side 2 weeks ago the chief rabbi of Moscow Pinchas Goldschmidt warned all Jews to leave Russia before anyone knew of the mobilization, citing supposed anti-semitism https://www.dw.com/en/is-it-time-for-russias-jews-to-leave-the-country/av-63047259
>>41327 They've been leaving since it began you stupid fuck, they're locusts.
>>41348 Yes we've always been leaving Russia due to the pogroms goyim, Palestine is rightful Jewish soil and Hitler gassed six million Jews. Fuck off rabbi.
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>>41319 One thing that does concern me about Russia drafting their population is seeing other western countries do the same. I have a bit of doubt that the US will draft citizens but this is most definitely clown world so we could honestly expect anything to happen. I saw something in a news report from CNBC where a politician from California said the majority of the recruits come from military families or they come from the South. I found that a bit disturbing because if there was a draft, it would be more akin to a political purge. That's probably not just in America either. A similar situation would probably play out in europe where there would be targeted ads at nationalistic young men who believe they're fighting for their country. I'm not a euro so I can't say for sure. As a burger, I can see the majority of the conscripts being right leaning Americans, probably whites and half whites, then possibly black nationalists, and then maybe Hispanics.
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>>41316 >>41332 >4kike filenames directly linking back to kikechan >(((NAFO))) twitter account >one and done low effort posts
Visiting around just in case and inb4, i keep seeing different groups in different places claim, out of nowhere because the "fact" (or date) flew over their heads for a while, that something will happen in the 24th. Numerologists realized it is heavily charged date (add that the demon rock broke and the stones were bombed, plus a high ranking noble died), Cohencidence Watchers also found the same (yid holidays in the 7th year aka sin/credit reset), some fringe astrofags claim the sun has been acting wildly in recent months (plus reappearance of that video glitch/actual thing stationed near the sun) and that it might start farting heavier waves (EMP-tier?), Treehuggers claim world has been throwing a fit recently with earthquakes, volcanos, heat waves in cold areas and floodings in places where rain is rare... and finally Russia did indeed mobilize people around these dates along with former soviet states moving their pieces against their opponents, maybe because they saw Russia being a bit frigid about replying to aggressions, so belligerent enjoyers do indeed see a spike in spiceness. Or it may be just another day, i for one will delete porn stash if something happens to me and they have to lurk my belongings.
>>41364 meds
>>41341 this. I'm the strelok who mentioned degenerate race-mixing, and scale is important. Russia will be fine if they keep non-white citizens within limits, especially since (as you said) they'll be on the front lines taking the brunt of casualties. A small amount of intoxication won't kill you, but a large amount will, which is why ZOG tries its best to open the flood-gates of Third World migration. >>41344 also this. I believe Putin wore his good goy hat for awhile to secure his grip on power, and then rebelled against his overlords. This fits the pattern of all that we're seeing. Anons assume the worst of Putin because he kept up the ZOG charade at first.
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>>41356 >gatekeeping this pathetic microboard
>>41370 >he kept up the ZOG charade at first This is still a ZOG charade and he will lose the war as ZOG ordained.
>>41372 He's just an assmad election tourist whining as per usual
>>41372 >>41374 >why won't you let me schizopost and shit up this board? He's right, fuck off back to 4cuck
Do we know how the recruitment drive is going?
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>>41377 Recruitment drive?
>>41379 True, it's the surprise kind of recruitment, but you know what I mean. I've heard a few recruitment offices were Molotov'd since then.
>>41375 waah waah, waah waah waah waah
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>>41372 >>41374 >>41381 Consider suicide, veirkanal nigger.
>>41380 Western media only reporting on deserters and people fleeing towards Finland, imo if Natto/EU wasn't such a bunch of limp wristed ideologues they could give EU citizenship to refugee vatniks, which would destroy Russian PR.
>>41382 SEETHE.
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>>41372 >kikechanner kvetches about gatekeeping because he thinks every imageboard is just like his shithole. Since its so "pathetic" like you claim, why don't you go back instead?
>>41344 It's the rantings of a mentally retarded direction brained nigger. His thoughts are exclusively binary. You disagree or think there's something more than just left/right going on? lol you must be [opposite direction from me]
>>41372 >>41374 >>41375 >>41381 >>41382 >>41385 >>41388 >being so assmad someone mocked your imbecilic gatekeeping faggotry that you false flag to justify it
>>41392 >being a cuckchanner AND an utter newfag as well. You're so stupid its legit funny at this point.
>>41392 Back to your cuckshed, retard.
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peepee, poopoo
>>41393 >>41395 Gatekeep me away then faglord.
>>41344 >Putler Where the fuck do you think you are?
>>41354 >I can see the majority of the conscripts being right leaning Americans, probably whites and half whites, then possibly black nationalists, and then maybe Hispanics. So, in other words, poor people. >>41384 >give EU citizenship to refugee vatniks, which would destroy Russian PR. Then how do you deal with a bunch of gopniks? Hohol refugees are already creating enough friction across EU. >>41393 >leaf Opinion discarded. >>41403 >Where the fuck do you think you are? I don't know anymore :')
>>41408 >Then how do you deal with a bunch of gopniks? Hohol refugees are already creating enough friction across EU. Put them both in the same refugee camps and the problem will take care of itself.
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>>41409 Problems do not solve problems, they only breed more problems, leaftard.
can you gatekeep eachother outside of the twitter general and inside the >>40754 thread instead it's easier for me to follow thanks i'm gonna grab a cybersnack you better be there by the time i get cyberback so i can finish you know who you are have a pretty anime i just made im an artist
>>41403 A land where gates are kept but the thing they're guarding still sucks and is full of easily riled niggers. Them gates be nice and purdy tho. >>41409 Shoving people in camps has a tendency to eventually backfire fucking horrendously, especially in regards to slavic insects.
>>40834 >Here's hoping but i doubt it, my guess is that the Kremlin is waiting for Europeans to freeze and Ukraine to collapse without the former's help so then they can just walk in as it was their original plan. No reason to waste men and materiel in the battlefield now if Ukraine will destroy itself in a few months... Is that realistic? i have no fucking idea. Even if not, deviating from script causes maximum clusterfuck. Monsantofication slows down, European clowns are writhing and trying to decide whose interests to serve as they face not exactly the same crisis as planned. After all, the real enemy is not Mr.Ze, he's just a puppet. >>40846 > due to Pic related. >>41295 What would be the point of creating not just another puppet regime, but a puppet army, only to let it be knocked over?
>>41431 Legit Russian or VPN?
https://nitter.1d4.us/nexta_tv/status/1573639984007057413#m https://nitter.1d4.us/GirkinGirkin/status/1573584735544246273#m https://nitter.1d4.us/ianbirrell/status/1573592235324620800#m Apparently Russian conscripts are being issued with AKs that were dug out from a swamp, or something along those lines.
>>41436 The same people also told it was just the first one on top of the stage box, it wasn't properly stored, the rest of guns were fine. >nexta >girkin Oh wait, never mind
>>41437 Now these are the kind of posts I come here for. Do you know about any other piece of recent propaganda that got debunked?
>>41442 Most recently, Ukrainians SOF posing at Enerhodar sign at night, but Russians replaced that sign a few weeks before so they don't match IRL. Russians made a video debunking it, and showing real sign, but I didn't save it, can't be fucked to go scroll trough telegram, video is out there somewhere. Bear in mind regarding that last post. Russia has plenty of problems, inefficient mobilization apparatus, bureaucratic clusterfuck inherited from commies, etc... but lack of AKs in not one.
>>41434 This website thinks Florida is the country of Georgia, Denver is in Ukraine, and Serbia is part of Romania, so I wouldn't put much stock in your precious flags.
And apparently Israel is America. Well at least it got one right.
In regards to >>41448 apparently Putin had Gazprom temporarily halt the Siberian pipeline soon after Xi was allegedly put under house arrest/a approximately 50 mile military blockade was established around his house. Allegedly it's in support of Xi, which suggests whoever gets put into power by the CCP might be more likely to go to war with Russia than to form friendly ties like Xi had been doing. Meanwhile China's foreign minister has been in Jew York congratulating Kissinger on his 100th birthday.
>>41436 >Conscripts given old AKM surplus to train considering Russia doesn't use 7.62x39 as standard anymore >One finds a rifle rusted to shit, likely will just get a working one/borrow one when the time comes to practice firing >This means multiple/ a larger portion of conscripts are facing the same issues This is more retarded than that moldy burger bun that Russian McDonalds made headlines.
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>>41450 You'd be surprised what are people willing to belive.
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>>41451 Now this is one opinionated person.
>>41452 >wiped out Now that's what I call edgy
>>41451 >look at the rooskies using outdated gear! >okay, it's an old photo, completely unrelated and ripped out of context, BUT... The absolute state of hohol supporters.
>>41451 >>41454 Even if the photo was recent, it wouldn't matter. It sounds pretty reasonable to me to use bolt action rifles for early training of fresh conscripts who don't even know which way to point the thing.
>>41455 In russian schools, there is a subject called ОБЖ (short for Основы безопасности жизнедеятельности, which translates roughly to "Basics of Life and Safety) Where Children from first to eleventh grade learn about Dangers and the proper response to them, nowadays also including cyberthreats and online scams, but back in the days it also dealt with nuclear and biological hazards, protection against nuclear attacks and dealing with catastrophes. I don't know how it's handled nowadays, but back in the soviet union, they also taught the children how to disassemble and reassemble Rifles, fire and clean them properly, and also tactics and military maneuvers. I've read that the educational boards want to reintroduce the wargames aspect of the subject, so i guess it was dropped some while ago, but don't think that russians don't know which way to point a rifle, there are very few idiots in russia, and most of those have pro-western views.
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>>41354 >drafting their population >other western countries do the same Doubt [x] Diversified western countries don't have the strong national cultures that soy men would die for. Mass exodus x100 of what we see in Russia. For those tough guys who stay, a draft is a death sentence when it is to fight WW3. And if you're given a death sentence to die for jews in a foreign land, you might as well commit a real holohoax at home. You were going to die anyway, but take the cause of the problem out with you. Plus, how could they conscript men for the front line but not women? Do you think such sexism is accepted by zoomers raised i n a woke society? >>41344 >kike shit gtfo glownigger
>>41457 >there are very few idiots in russia I'm not some hohol lover but I find that one particularly hard to believe, a country that big and with that many muslims and junkies has to have a pretty decent share of idiots.
>>41457 >there are very few idiots in russia Every country on earth is populated mostly by idiots.
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Are they going to let the past three weeks repeat itself?
>>41470 Considering the conscription shit I'd say the hohols have a few weeks to make as much progress as possible to bear the brunt of the waves of vatniks that will eventually be deployed to retake as much shit as they can just before winter sets in and grinds everything to a halt. Who knows though everything about the past month has been fucking stupid globally.
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>>41436 Reminds me of pic related. What would it take to get an AK in that condition back to life? Doable in the field? Looks like shit but rust doesn't seem that deep, a stiff wire brush might just get things moving again. Hard to say what the barrel looks like inside, should fare better than the visible parts because of the special chrome alloy dat corrosive ammo Wood parts seem FUBAR but you can always make replacements, or epoxy the wood back together if you have it.
>>41473 It's an AK, the soviet doctrine was that if the barrel lost the rifling, then the armourer took off and out all the moving parts for later cannibalization, and then the barrel and receiver ended up in the trash, because making a new one was cheaper and simpler than replacing the barrel. I guess in part it's because the barrel is pretty much permanently attached to the receiver, and because at that point the receiver also went through quite a lot.
>>41458 >Mass exodus x100 of what we see in Russia. Where exactly would they go? USA->LatAm, EUR->Africa or City->Rural. Either way uprooting and relocating like on short notice is not simple especially in a panic situation, definitely not a soy boy's MO. >For those tough guys who stay, a draft is a death sentence when it is to fight WW3. WW3 is a death sentence for most, civilians and combatants alike, by nuclear fire if they're lucky or from the following collapse. >>41470 >>41471 >the past month has been fucking stupid globally Hard to disagree with that, fog of war notwithstanding. Guess we'll see what kind of toll this counter offensive takes on hohol forces. I doubt this is some kind of Suvorov-crossing-the-Alps brilliant strategic withdrawal but if hohols run out of steam then it works even if not pretty.
>>41470 Holy fuck, another one? >They started the offensive from a fucking beach head I don't know if they're either ballsy (from the morale boost), stupid (it's easy to encircle the attacking elements since they have to cross the river to resupply), desperate (as in a hail mary for another breakthrough) or all three.
>>41475 >>41458 This is such a stupid prediction. Before the war 99% of all /k/ommandos predicted that Ukraine would have folded the moment Putler reached Kiev and Zionlensky would have been ousted by a pro Russian government just to save their skin, instead they managed to hang on for dear life and plenty of holols suddenly became ultranationalists overnight. It's not impossibly for all the other Euro nations to do the same, as well as it's almost as likely that their governments will sue for peace immediately or their population flee in even higher numbers than your estimates. There's also this gross miscalculated percentage of the soyfags to normal people ratio, where you have people claiming that the entirety of certain nations will flee like a SouCal urbanite after stepping on the tenth shit covered needle while dodging the anti homeless rainbow spikes.
>>41476 Or maybe after assessing the situation they concluded that it is a perfectly fine opportunity. And that is not exactly good news for the Russians. It looks like they want to reach Maklivka and work their way southward between the two rivers. But they are already closing in on Lyman, and at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians give up that place too. All in all, we can safely conclude that Poutine & co. completely mismanaged this whole war special military operation, and now they have to salvage the situation. I just hope something really funny happens, such as Belarussiaman deciding to bumrush Kyeev.
>>41473 AKs were designed to be mass manufactured and expendable. they can take a beating and be dragged through dirt/mud/sand and stil be perfectly functional. but when it finally broke, that was it, throw it away and get a new one. all the parts are riveted in which makes disassembling and reassembling it a pain in the dick and more trouble than it's worth.
>>41481 I'm glad Zappa died before watching just how bad things got.
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>The first thing Frost, released by the Russian authorities, did was to publish a video of him killing a wounded Russian tanker lying on the ground. I don't know man, at this point, if I was a Russian soldier, I wouldn't know which direction should I be pointing my rifle. FSB or whichever branch is responsible for prisoner exchanges has been consistently stabbing Russians in the back. First few dozen times have been stupid, now it's just plain funny.
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>>41486 Or a prelude to those nooks Putin is not bluffing about.
>>41486 It's quite simple. >Take them to court >Their lawyers argue for "rights" and "mercy" while people are dying all over >The West sees them as kangaroo trials anyways >Let them go back in the field >The dumbasses will actually go back in the field >Kill them to your heart's content without fear of repercussions
>>41487 F-35 sales to the Ukraine when? It'd be the perfect plane for the Ghost of Kyiv in more ways than one.
>>41488 They're actually under Turkish custody until they reach an agreement.
>>41463 You're right, there are a lot of muslims, but what russians do right about it, is not letting them congregate too much. This already started in the soviet union, when all those muslim/arab republics like aserbaidschan where under soviet control and pretty much everywhere people were required to serve in the red army. People where distributed all over the country/union, Siberians went to moscow, moscowites went to the northern tundra, and so forth. A lot of mixing was being done, mostly for the purpose of making the recruits more nervous and discouraging bullshit (since they were in a new place, where they didn't know the rules and how people behave), but it also had the effect of socializing muslims, mongols and other hard to assimilate people in an environment, where they had to work together with different people, therefore strengthening cooperation. The Soviet Union is an example of a melting pot done right, you can't just chuck in a bunch a people into one place and call it a day, because they WILL segregate. You gotta mix the pot, and do that for a long while, because otherwise you'll end up with infighting after a while. >>41467 regarding this and the previous post, you probably refer to bydlo, which is quite different from plain idiots. Idiots are ill, and this can be diagnosed, while bydlo (cattle in polish) are simply unwilling, or don't have the time, to bother with the fine works of the world around them, and work more on emotions and their own wellbeing than on any long-term goals and bigger ideals.
>>41492 >all that just to say nuh uh there aren't a lot of idiots >bydlos aren't idiots >slavs in general aren't among the most moronic pale people Come on man, next you're gonna tell me there aren't that many lazy Spanish people.
>>41493 listen, i don't know what i need to say to you in order to get through, but not being smart enough to care about what's going on beyond your own fence, and not knowing which end of a gun goes boom, are two entirely different levels of stupidity. And most people are of the first variety. >slavs in general aren't among the most moronic pale people >moronic You either are a kike, who sees honesty and hard work as undesirable, or the only thing you've seen from slavs are the capitals, which are chuck-full of western leaning libshits. >there aren't that many lazy spanish people Cultivated by the environment i'd say. It's warm, stuff grows really well, food is abundant, the midday sun is too hot for work, etc. You would be the same, if you were living in greece, italy, spain, or similar places.
>>41495 calm down fag im not going to argue this pedantic shit with you anymore youre right for all eternity and im a kike jooo bad meanie man and slavs are geniuses fuckin obnoxious homo why are krauts like this?
>>41498 >calls me a fag >refuses to elaborate further Absolute Chad, as the kids nowadays say.
>>41495 >slavs >honesty and hard work Now I know you're trolling.
>>41500 elaborate.
>>41500 Slavs do work hard from personal experience.
>>41499 >>41501 Ya got me on point man my yiddish hands are wringing very hard right now so hard theyre generating heat in fact get close goykraut you will need this heat energy come winter act now and get a 10% discount don't you wanna pay 3600 euros instead of 4000 euros a month? A slav would do it, they're smart why don't you be like them? Like I said it's a 5% discount on heating, act quickly so you only have to pay 10% extra instead of 20% like my selfish competitors, now sign this loan application, the interest rate is only 30%!
>>41492 >The Soviet Union is an example of a melting pot done right, >a dozen ethnic conflicts begin immediately after the USSR shits itself "Done right" indeed, commie scum.
>>41505 He's either trolling hard as fuck or legitimately autistic and it's impossible to tell the difference when it comes to Germans.
>>41506 Third option: he's a Waldemar, the Russo-German scum that came after the fall of the Soviet Union.
>>41506 >>41507 >everyone I disagree with is trollolo and commie by definition
>>41508 >every time someone points out a retard or a commie that means they think everyone is a retard and a commie Ok retard.
>15 dead including 11 children after a mass shooting at a Russian school >reports say the shooter had swastika armbands Is this the part where Western media start talking about how it's definitely a false flag and a government plot, but only this time, it's completely impossible that any of our mass shootings are false flags you crazy conspiracy theorist?
>>41512 >declare war on fake nazis >real nazis decide you're gonna come for them and go for soft targets inside your borders first huh.
>>41513 Austria.
>>41513 All but the biggest brownshirt retards know it's propaganda. Weren't there images of russian tanks with NS symbology on them anyway?
>>41475 >>Mass exodus x100 of what we see in Russia. >Where exactly would they go? USA->LatAm, EUR->Africa or City Most likely to the house of whoever implemented the draft and burn them. Solve the problem at its root. If too much soy in blood they'd probably go to Cucknada like everyone else did after Trump was elected in 2016 and the Canadian embassy website crashed from being overloaded. Even BLM loving soys hate niggers, they never go south. >>41477 >This is such a stupid prediction. >social fabric isn't so rotten we can still get strong white aryans to die for zog >zoomers haven't fallen for the feminizing brain rotting propaganda we've pumped into them since birth >it's not that bad yet so this is such a stupid prediction Even gym chads are feminine manicured faggots now. No sale kike gys. No one is interested in dying to establish your israel2.0. If Israel is nuked (like the UK and other NATO states is going to be) then perhaps you can go do it yourself.
>>41451 >Nagant/Mosin rifles >Obsolete How rude!
>>41516 >Most likely to the house of whoever implemented the draft and burn them. Solve the problem at its root. This idiot thinks the (((problem))) is rooted within the host countries
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>>41470 Update.
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Yuropoors, it's over.
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>>41523 When was Nord Stream 2 opened? Did the krauts actually open it after Putin taunted them a few days ago?
>>41525 Previously there was gas in the pipeline but they refused to draw from it. Now there's no gas in the pipeline at all, apparently due to a leak in the Baltic Sea: https://archive.ph/QjUxb
>>41520 >charity begins at home but gassing doesn't ok >>41328 >beat draft by going to jail for murder instead Literally happened in Russia. I'd expect a much higher frag score if conscription is tried in a Western country like the US though. >>41458 >frag recruiter Very accurate prediction. So accurate it happened. >>41477 >This is such a stupid prediction. Not as stupid as you nigger. It is far more likely to happen in Western countries than Russia...and the prediction already came true during the Russian draft! A recruiter got fragged by a guy who prefers jail to dying in Jewkraine. Even when Russia has worse jail conditions than the West and the guy will get the shit beaten out of him - he still did it!
>>41521 What shit again? more meaningless gains at really high costs just for PR?
>>41529 The jail term for murder is 8 years but the jail term introduced for dodging the draft is 10.
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>>41531 >The jail term for murder is 8 years but the jail term introduced for dodging the draft is 10. Well somebody didn't think something trough there.
>>41532 kek >cia trying to set the record straight about itself lying is literally their standard operating procedure. what benefit can be gained from listening to this?
>>41533 >what benefit can be gained from listening to this? Well... maybe you can use it as a sort of a negative? Whatever glowie says, opposite is true?
>>41505 >>41503 >>41502 >>41506 >>41507 >>41510 I'm glad you outted yourself as a retard that never left his country. I'll be sure to ignore every retarded point that comes from your shit filled mouth. >>41525 >>41526 I just find it hilarious how this comes soon after Germany starts closing down almost all their nuclear reactors. Reality and forethought is being completely avoided for some mentally ill ideology. >>41532 >No, we do not in fact glow in the dark lol
>>41533 >cia podcast >glownigger ego circle jerk >what benefit can be gained from listening to this? none for normal folk, but an ego circle jerk to a glownigger is like free meth to a tweaker looking for a fix.
>>41531 >The jail term for murder is 8 years but the jail term introduced for dodging the draft is 10. Yes, he got the fastest time with his speedrun in minecraft.
>>41534 if only it were that simple. >>41536 you're saying this is a podcast by glowniggers for glowniggers (to stroke their ego)? i mean you got your zinger in but it wasn't very funny nor does it make any sense. if i were to speculate i think their recruiting/application numbers are way down because of how tarnished their reputation has become, as well as because of how woke their last advertisement was. i think they are doing a bit of damage control to get some more interest from midwits.
>>41537 Knowing Russian prisons he might be wishing he died on the frontlines soon.
>>41535 Stop hopping IPs kraut, your point was fucking stupid and you're not fooling anyone. "There aren't that many idiots in Russia" fucking lmao.
>>41540 Don't Russian prisoners have a lot of respect for people who kill government officials and cops? He better hope so at least he looks scrawny and rape is sure as hell on the menu. Though he'd probably get fucked up the ass in the military too so he might've been damned either way, at least he killed a worthwhile target instead of shooting some random stranger.
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>>41540 This general idea of every aspect of Russia being either Norilsk on steroids or some real life variant of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. needs to stop. The Soviet Union was bad and 90s Russia was equally bad, but Russia largely got their shit together by the early-mid 2000s. People like to talk about the fact that Russian prisons are dangerous and yet people on the inside die at 1/3rd the rate of average Russian men. They talk about disease yet the only diseases that really spread through Russian prisons are Tuberculosis which is a permanent remnant of the Soviet era due to misuse of antibiotics (and which is heavily contained), and HIV for obvious reasons. When you compare it to American prisons it's not that bad. Russian prisons also get a bad reputation for overcrowding yet American prisons are roughly 3x as many people and just as overcrowded. >But comparing Russia to Europe- Russia is spread between the European, Middle Eastern/Caucasian, and Asian diaspora with similar population density issues/cultural differences to America so it is more accurate to compare them to America than to Europe. Russians have culture and are people too. They are not Orcs like the Ukrainians, Europeans, or fellow Russians compare them to. They have issues, but most of the rumors about Russian society are either intentional propaganda or old and outdated information from the USSR or 90s.
>>41545 This, Russians are the smartest people on the planet.
>>41541 >Everyone who thinks I'm a retards is some retarded snownigger Spede You're sad man
>>41547 Not everyone, just you kraut. Now go suck some Russian genius cock assuming you can find any.
>>41545 I'm sure you're a vatnik shill but I will admit I'd rather be in Russian prison than American prison, simply because Russian prison doesn't have niggers.
>>41550 Yeah Russian prisons are full of very smart people.
This war has really slowed down. Anyone here speculate as to why it atleast seems that way? It just seems like a game of push/pull. Is russia having trouble advancing? or ukraine defending successfully? The news ive been seeing is much less specific and much less telling than it was a few months ago. Is russia losing? is ukraine winning? :^) Is russia going to collapse trying to capture mighty ukraine?
>>41552 >This war has really slowed down. Anyone here speculate as to why it atleast seems that way? It just seems like a game of push/pull. Is russia having trouble advancing? or ukraine defending successfully? Strelok, the war isn't all about armored spearheads and huge army maneuvers that happens everyday. It's mostly about which side can grind the other side down first with artillery and ballistic missiles, especially now that winter is coming. Plus the Ukrainian army is on the offensive right now with the Russians on the backfoot. >>41521
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>>41552 Its a mixture of Russia overextending itself at first, and the fact that the weather is getting to the point where we will not see major assaults for months. Its obvious that Russia wants to intensify the war with the votes going on in the puppet states they are trying to set up, and well mobilizing at least 300k additional men. If you want my baseless speculation, they are going to be far more serous about regime change since Ukraine has no reason to surrender. If they peace out even now, Russia will come back and finish them off. They can't recover from the land Russia has taken, even with their recent gains. In order to succeed, they need everything back. What is worse is that NATO is not taking the steps to ensure Ukraine succeeds. They need more than sanctions and some wunderwaffens. NATO needs to overall how it produces its weapons and trains its soldiers. That is not going to happen any time soon, especially with politicians just eat up their own propaganda and assume that Russia will collapse any minute now.
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>>41553 >>41554 I really thought this invasion would only take a month at most since russias military is so much larger. propaganda on both sides makes me not trust anything i read. one side is saying russia went into ukraine, a small army and got their asses handed to them and 6 million are dead and russia is now conscripting because theyre weak and injured. the other side is saying russia isnt really trying and ukraine is lying about how much theyre losing. the only first hand information i see is taliban tier videos from ukraine showing "look we're winning because we killed a random russian soldier" and videos from american/foreign mercenaries running away from russians. tldr: i thought russia would have finished this by now. whats the deal? does russia have air superiority across most of the nation by now? if not HOW. i thought ukraines airforce was minuscule by comparison.
>>41555 “I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma" - some fat British drunk
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>>41555 >tldr: i thought russia would have finished this by now. whats the deal? Same here, i thought that the hohols will roll over and die when Russia came knocking on Kiev, especially since we've seen how they fight in Crimea back in 2014. To everyone's surprise, the hohols manage to push back Russia and with it the support of NATO to approve the proxy war with Russia. With the momentum lost, Russia backed down from the original plan of Blitzing Kiev, to defending the pre-invasion borders of LPR, DPR, and Crimea with the Ukrainians slowly re-gaining lost ground. Now on the million dollar question why Russia failed big time. 1. Russia don't have enough manpower The original sin of the Russian invasion is this. The sin that will continually haunt the Russian war effort is this. I think everyone here should know that attackers should have a 3:1 advantage of numbers at the very least to mostly succeed. But Russia did not do this, and just sent Volunteers and on-duty soldiers to the front, maxing around 200k people at most. Note that this is peace time numbers, since at the start Russia played with the SMO narrative, betting on the blitz to work. Unfortunately for them, it failed, and speaking of the blitz.. 2. Russia invaded in the worst possible time (AKA Rasputitsa is a bitch ) and their logistics suck monkey dick Everyone knows about General Winter, but people seem to forget about General Mud. Yet, the higher-ups at Moscow have the genius idea of having huge armored tank thrust in the middle of mud season, since we all know that Ukrainian roads are the most maintained roads in the middle of thawing season. Now, the tanks themselves have no problem in the mud, this isn't WW2 anymore. However we're talking about the poor logistics here. The often forgotten, yet vital part of the war effort. Which is why their logistics chain broke down during the crucial first 2 weeks of the invasion, and to compound the fact is that some of them are poorly maintained, rife with corruption (chink tires), or getting ambushed by Ukies. Oh right, the Ukranians. 3. Ukrainians are surprisingly more tenacious this time around I think we all see how prone the Russians are at getting ambushed in urban settings by AT weapons. Partly due to the manpower problem above, they don't have proper infantry dismounts to deal with AT ambushes. The Ukrainians are able to use the terrain to their advantage, have much more men to spare, and have huge donations of weapons from the EU. As such, many tanks met their smoking end in the suburbs of Kiev. It's too bad that they can't bring the air force to smoke out the Ukranians, or can they? 4. The air force and the paratroopers worked, at first. As seen in Hostomel airport, Russia can conduct huge lightning offensives, their taking of Hostomel airport is proof of that. Not to mention that Russia has been successful in Electronic Warfare, jamming many of the Ukrainian SAM networks, allowing free reign of Russian air power. However, they forget to actually destroy the fucking air defense in the place, allowing Ukrainians to just put them back in order once the jamming subsides. And once that is done, the airspace is no longer safe, thus the vaunted air force just stayed on the sidelines since they can't risk plane losses when compared to tank losses. Add the fact that everybody and their mom in the war are equipped with MANPADs, then flying low is just as risky as flying normally. As such, Russia just went back to the tried and true system. The good old artillery. >tl;dr Russia don't have enough men, their logistics sucks, their timing is bad, the ukies are better now, and they fail the SEAD
>>41555 >i thought russia would have finished this by now. whats the deal? The war will end after europe freezes to death.
>>41558 >kills whites to save whites The great Slavic liberators strike again.
>>41542 >Don't Russian prisoners have a lot of respect for people who kill government officials and cops? Don't criminals everywhere? The only guys who are objectively hated everywhere are short eyes. >>41545 >The Soviet Union was bad and 90s Russia was equally bad, but Russia largely got their shit together by the early-mid 2000s. This is just plain wrong, the Soviet Union was bad for most of its history but still had good times in the 50's and 80's. Mind you, its downs were incredibly bleak. >When you compare it to American prisons it's not that bad. Russian prisons also get a bad reputation for overcrowding yet American prisons are roughly 3x as many people and just as overcrowded. That's because Americans took to privatization a bit too far. You can't expect certain institutions that are necessary to keep social cohesion to be run like independent companies and still have a functioning society. >Russians have culture and are people too. They are not Orcs like the Ukrainians, Europeans, or fellow Russians compare them to. They have issues, but most of the rumors about Russian society are either intentional propaganda or old and outdated information from the USSR or 90s. It's easier to paint them as monsters, otherwise plenty of Twitter hawks would have to reevaluate their morality. I mean, Come and See was made in fucking Belarus, so if the commies could realize this, everyone can. What's interesting about this war though is that publicly Natto states are completely open about the fact that it's a war against Putin's government, not the Russian people. Now, I don't know if they're still psyop'ing people on the internet to think that RUSSIANS == BADD but I'd like to imagine that all the pent up socjus anger just found a convenient scapegoat for this year. >>41546 That's not how you spell North Koreans.
>>41551 >Yeah Russian prisons are full of very smart people. Absolutely, take it from Soviet jokes: "How many Russians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" "Three, One who knows how to screw out the old lightbulb, one who knows how to screw in a lightbulb and the third to keep an eye on the two dangerous intellectuals." >>41554 From what I've seen, it seems to me that EU leaders are pushing for more economic support of Ukraine in order to create a diversion while they speedrun their energy independence/codependency.
>>41557 Btw, if you truly are Indonesian, has the govt dicked you guys' internet or is it just an issue for social media faggots?
>>41557 I should've probably add Corruption to the list but i think Russia's corruption is widespread knowledge at this point. >>41562 Jesus pastaman, calm the fuck down with the posting. >Btw, if you truly are Indonesian, has the govt dicked you guys' internet or is it just an issue for social media faggots? A bit of both since they actually blocked PayPal for 2 weeks but later relented and unblocked everything, however the issue is overblown since they just didn't know that our government is ran like China but without any semblance of competency As in slow to adapt, ran by old farts who have no idea how tech works, lots and lots of red tapes, huge cliques in the police, etc.
>>41560 >That's because Americans took to privatization a bit too far. Americans didn't take to privatization at all. American prisons have one client, the U.S. government, i.e. they're a branch of the government.
>>41565 To be fair, law enforcement cannot be a truly private affair.
>>41557 Don't forget how close the Ukrainians were to accepting Russian demands though, wasn't the case that they retreated from the north when the talks were going well, until the Ukrainians decided against diplomacy
>>41568 They retreated from the north because the second they got slowed down in front of Kiev they were in huge danger. They mostly bypassed settlements on the advance from the east and thus effectively had a huge and fragile frontline around their narrow supply paths. Considering we now see they don't even have the man to hold the comparatively tiny frontline they have now, if they had waited any longer and Ukrainian reinforcements arrived the entire offensive push could have been cut off and destroyed. The retreat wasn't orderly or planned, otherwise they wouldn't have left behind large amounts of supplies and vehicles for the Ukrainians to take just when they needed them. The entire operation was a huge miscalculation and Russia should have either mobilized or sued for peace at any cost the second they had to pull out of the north that badly
Nordstream Suspected Sabotage - leaks reported off Denmark https://archive.ph/Ujj9j >Danish, German and Polish officials have signalled that suspicious leaks on two Russian gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea are highly likely to be the result of sabotage, heightening concerns over the vulnerability of Europe’s energy infrastructure. >Danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen said sabotage could not be ruled out as the cause of the leaks of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines, which have been at the centre of the energy crisis between Russia and Europe. >“It is too early to conclude yet, but it is an extraordinary situation,” she said. “There are three leaks, and therefore it is difficult to imagine that it could be accidental.” >German officials said there was concern in Berlin that the sudden loss of pressure in both pipelines could be the result of a “targeted attack”. They said Russia’s involvement could “not be excluded”, but said Germany was not involved in the investigation run by Denmark and Sweden. >The leaks come as Russian gas supplies to Europe have dwindled as part of President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to deter support for Ukraine. The leaks, which will not directly affect Russian gas flows because the pipelines were not operating, coincide with the inauguration of a pipeline that will deliver Norwegian gas through Denmark to Poland for the first time. >“We don’t know all the details of what happened, but we see clearly that it’s an act of sabotage, related to the next step of escalation of the situation in Ukraine,” Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on Tuesday, Reuters reported. >Asked if sabotage was the cause of the leak, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters “no version can be excluded now”, the Russian agency Interfax reported. “Obviously the pipe has been damaged somehow. What the cause was — before the results of the investigation appear, no version can be excluded,” he added. >Energy analysts said it was not clear who would stand to benefit from the leaks at a time when neither line was operational. But some suspect a possible connection to the planned start-up of a new gas pipeline link between Norway — now Europe’s biggest supplier of gas — and Poland. >Frederiksen is in Poland for the opening ceremony of the pipeline, which will deliver Norwegian supplies through Denmark to Poland for the first time. >“The leak on Nord Stream 2 is very close to the new Baltic Pipe that will bring Norwegian gas to Poland for the first time . . . so there’s some heavy symbolism,” said Tom Marzec-Manser, at energy consultancy ICIS. “For EU gas imports it’s a new dawn for Norway and twilight for Russia.” >Although Nord Stream 2 was never put into operation, the pipeline had been filled with gas in anticipation of its start-up. >Ukraine has long opposed the Nord Stream pipelines, arguing they were designed to weaken its position as one of the main conduits for Russian gas into Europe. Russian gas has continued to flow through Ukraine even after Moscow’s invasion. >James Huckstepp, at S&P Global Platts, said the leaks increased uncertainty in the energy market. >“The probability of Nord Stream 1 coming back before the end of the year has essentially dropped from 1 per cent to 0 per cent,” Huckstepp said. “But there remain concerns about the remaining gas flows through Ukraine and whether they could see reductions later this year.” >Henning Gloystein, at Eurasia Group, said the pipelines — with capacity to transport about 165mn cubic metres a day — “are designed to avert accidental damage”, pointing out that they consist of concrete-coated thick steel pipes that lie on the seabed. >But he added: “Given both lines were still pressured and each has the capacity to pipe around 165mn cubic metres of methane-heavy gas per day, leaks of this size are a severe safety and environmental hazard.” >Nord Stream, the pipelines’ Swiss-based operator whose majority shareholder is Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom, said the incidents were “unprecedented”, but suggested most of the leaking methane would dissolve in the water. Russian attack to freeze yuros or US blackmailing Europe to buy their gas? Former seems stupid as a) russia can just turn the tap on and off and b) they paid for it, and for the latter apart from USS Kearsarge and USS Arlington passing the Baltics, fleet activity in the region seems minimal unless conducted by subs.
Apologies for double posting - in connection to >>41570, Biden mentioned in Feb 7th that the Nordstream pipeline would and could be shut down, seemingly without coordination with Germany.
>>41570 Russia can turn the tap off, but they can't "just" do it. If it'd be enough to freeze people, that might actually bring the EU into the Ukrainian war properly. Much better for Russia if the line is down coincidentally, like when that one vital part "broke" for a couple of weeks.
>>41570 >Russian attack to freeze yuros or US blackmailing Europe to buy their gas? Neither makes much sense, The Nord Stream pipelines still had gas on them but major euro countries and especially Germany, who already filled their reserves now, hasn't been actually buying or drawing any gas from the pipeline so this has 0 impact on the situation. Also no idea what the benefit would be for the US considering the above. Maybe a thinly veiled threat from Russia that other, actually running, pipelines nearby can be sabotaged covertly? Though any of that would be an attack on a Nato country so idk how much weight that threat has
>>41572 I think it's still better for Russia to have the ability to turn it back on, to be able to dangle the pipeline over Europe's heads. Sure, Russia pretended the shutdowns were about the turbine, but doing maintenance slowly or pretending it's not done yet is quite different from actually damaging the line to render it inoperable.
>>41573 >Also no idea what the benefit would be for the US >The White House said it is ready to help European allies after gas leaks from Nord Stream Yeah, I wonder about that too :^)
>>41575 Europeans weren't taking any gas out of Nord Stream so nothing changed, demand for US help hasn't gone up
I'm a little concerned about the repeated threats against Russia regarding the use of tactical nukes in Ukraine. Either Putin is seriously mulling over the possibility or the US is about to glownigger. Either way it stands to accidentally the entire northern hemisphere. On the plus side models indicate that nuclear winter is milder or non existential if it happens in the actual winter. >>41558 The war will end when USNATO runs out or weapons to send Ukraine or when their citizens get tired of footing the tax bill to fund a Slav on Slav WAAAGH that frankly isn't anyone's business other the parties involved.
>>41569 That besides the point, Ukraine was also on the brink of capitulation is what i'm saying
>>41578 Sure but the Russians failed to break them and it turned into a horrible defeat instead. Doesn't matter how close you get if you still fail
>>41576 There was talk that USA will supply LNG via ships, at a premium price of course. It's ridiculous, and main brunt of increased cost will fall upon the end consumer,not to mention the sheer stupidity of it but of course that never stopped any politician.why would it, peasant will be taxed more to cover it. I assume the whole USA 'supplying' Europe with gas thing was not scrapped? >>41577 I for one welcome the sweet thermonuclear release of death.
>>41579 It's not a defeat as much as a quagmire. Exactly what the US wanted.
>>41580 >Serb wants the world to end Classic
I don't care about your political quips and hot takes for brownie points and I'm not going to respond to them if they aren't at least related to Russia you astroturfing nigger.
>>41246 >Doomposting. I interpret “Ukraine” to mean all of Ukraine, so he’s probably correct in a way.
>>41583 Who are you even mad at?
The Ukrainian advance near Liman looks awfully similar to the 2014 advance where they g
Where they got decimated.*
>>41560 >it's a war against X's government, not the X people. This line always sounds like propaganda made for coaxing fence sitters into distancing themselves from supporting a "bad" government by causing said sitters into believing they have an 'out' for being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I think we both know that if NATO were to ever rule Russia, then NATO would immediately set to work on de facto forcing the Russian people into giving up their culture and genetics in exchange for globohomo.
>>41582 I don't know why people insist on putting their Archdukes in front of our bullets man, so rude. >>41586 True, they're headbutting the Liman and getting mauled there, but Ukrainian flanking attack further up north has made progress. Russians need to get their shit together or they risk losing both Liman and surrounding areas. They're probably gonna throw in freshly mobilized men to stabilize the line sooner than later , and hopefully for them unfuck the homefront. Either way, we're probably in for a long slugfest now, neither side is willing to back down untill they're completely exhausted in both manpower and/or material.
Odds of hohols making significant headway into the DPR and LPR?
>>41384 Curiously, today in a diner I overheard a soybeard still talking about Russia's week old mobilization news, about how queues on land border crossings are up to fifteen miles long, with border guards seizing military aged men trying to leave the country and forcing them onto planes. It's curious to me because he was talking about what should be ancient news to niggercattle, and because he was talking about it with hysteria in his voice I haven't heard from niggercattle discussions about the war since the early start of it, when everyone thought a nuclear WWIII would happen at any moment. And so the point is the West's typical reporting-not-reporting is yet enough to spook Western soybeards into again feeling like Russia might mean serious business. And while this is one example of a nobody. Considering soybeards all think alike I'm willing to risk claiming this one time accurately represents soybeards as a whole.
>>41579 Sure, i'm just pointing out it's not as simply as the Ukrainian propaganda makes it out to be. >>41589 Is it really meaningful though? if the referendums and the mobilization weren't happening right now then their advance in the north would be of concern, but with those latest moves Russia is showing that is going all in, so they either win or shit escalates until we have ww3, i see no real way in which taking Lyman and its surroundings does anything for Ukraine expect for PR, the only thing that could save Ukraine now is for Putin to die and a coup in Russia to occur or something along those lines, not be advancing just some meager miles at the cost of their best soldiers. >>41590 Very low, not that it would matter if they did at this point.
>>41592 >Is it really meaningful though? Well, even if the ground taken is irrelevant, which it's not, there's still the major moral boosting effect, which is significant factor, that Russia has entirely neglected on their end and the issue of attrition of Russian manpower. Ukraine is wisley using their superiority in men to litteraly seep trough thin Russian lines, which lead to collapse of Iziyum-Balakleya front. The whole referendum thing is a big question mark. Logically, people assume that Russians will use it as an excuse to declare full on war and all the good stuff that entails. But given how adamant Russians were about not brining in extra forces into the theater untill it was too late, and how 'softly' they conducted this whole thing, I don't know anymore. I think it's not out of the question that it could be a nothingburger after the referendum and the current course of action persist.
>>41589 All these years and you're still not owning Herzegovina tho
>>41592 >Putin to die That's the best part. Putin is a lawyer and a dove among hawks so anyone who comes in will in fact be worse.
>>41595 They've already declared it's not a war, simply a "counter-terrorism operation."
>>41595 >major moral boosting effect Sure, but that can only get you so far, don't go full Cadorna >collapse of Iziyum-Balakleya front. Which as i understand had just a token defense ans was about to be withdrawn anyway, take that with a grain of sand, but besides the PR and the ground the Russians lost little else, seems way less than the Ukrainians >theater untill it was too late Don't see at all how it is too late, maybe too late to save themselves the Kharkiv embarrassment sure, but not at all too late to turn things around, if anything after letting Ukraine spent their best men and material in PR victories Kharkiv or miserable failures Kherson i see the Russians turning things around fairly easily if they get to it. I still think the Ukrainians are doing a Spring Offensive, a Brusilov offensive, a Battle of the Bulge... pushing the enemy back and regaining morale, but at too high a cost and ultimately pointless, but again take that with a grain of salt. >>41598 That is also true, but then ww3 would be so close i'd be more interested in looking for a cave in the mountains to hide in than in whatever happens in Ukraine >>41599 Which makes the Ukrainian leadership and its supporters terrorists, Russia is not fond of those to say the least, if anything this might be worse than a war, since in a war you are still fighting what you see as a legitimate enemy with a legitimate leadership. Does Russia actually mean that? i have no idea.
>>41571 >Polish MEP Radek Sikorski thanks USA for the leak in NordStream 2. It's been nice knowing you! See you in the post-apocalypse!
>>41597 >All these years and you're still not owning Herzegovina tho Nah, we did it for shits and giggles. The real Herzegovina was friends enemies we made along the way >>41599 >counter-terrorism operation Didn't they call second Chechen war the same way or am I getting something mixed up? Anyway, I don't know what legislation that brings, do they now have more authority over what they can pull a escalate? >>41600 Russians lost little else, seems way less than the Ukrainians Sure, like you correctly stated they didn't have much to begin with. In both cases, it's bad, but not war loosing. >Don't see at all how it is too late, maybe too late to save themselves the Kharkiv embarrassment sure, but not at all too late to turn things around True, war is not over by a long shot, far from it actually. It was a major setback but nothing war loosing yet. However these things tend to pile up, Russia did right move by mobilizing, but I think I'm not mistaken when I say they have to be more decisive, decisively knocking out powerplants and logistical infrastructure would be a good start for them,however Ukraine has allegedly received 300km ATACMS so it's a double edged sword
>>41602 >Polish MEP And former minister of defense, it's worth adding.
>>41602 But what could Poland do about it? Aside from toothless complaining.
>>41608 It's probably more about the shift in attitude it represents but who knows if that'll go anywhere either.
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>>41602 False alarm, such an accusation is obviously Russian Propaganda, the Polish Secretary of State says so.
>>41602 Who sharted?
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>Gazprom has announced that it is cutting off all gas supplies traveling to Europe via Ukraine because "Ukrainian Naftogaz refused to fulfill its contractual obligations." Sooo, no Nordstream 2,no pipeline trough Ukraine?
It looks like the Azov prisoner exchange might have been a diplomatic tool to get the Saudis closer to Russia. Russia is giving all the blame accolades to MBS over in Saudi Arabia for the negotiations suggesting they didn't want to do the PoW swap, but did it for soft power points with the Saudis. Now Turkey is scrambling to one-up them and Erdogan is screaming at Zelensky to sign a peace treaty that they won't sign. >>41614 Well great. Now the Vatniks will double down that this is proof of a US false flag and Hohols will screech about the Russians more than usual. Honestly the best response Russia could give given the circumstances.
>>41613 Who smelt it dealt it :^)
>>41615 It's not a false flag if there was no flag at all.
>>41616 who rhymed did the crime (^:
Secretary of State Victoria Nuland (Jan 2022): "If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward." President Joe Biden (Feb 2022): '''"There will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." News media (today): RUSSIA BLEW UP THEIR OWN PIPELINE FOR ZERO BENEFIT! Latest: US Embassy in Moscow telling all Americans to leave Russia immediately.
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>>41619 >US Embassy in Moscow telling all Americans to leave Russia immediately. source?
Am I understanding correctly that the Russians sent conscripts to Ukraine only because the battalions that are supposed to train them are already there, and they aren't actually sending them directly to the frontline? Although, at this point I wouldn't even be surprised if that wasn't just propaganda, after seeing all these blunders and the hoborussian complaints.
>>41619 >US Embassy in Moscow telling all Americans to leave Russia immediately. Source? The Canadian embassy just warned Canadians playing for Russian and Belarusian hockey teams to leave, but I've heard nothing from the US.
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>>41621 >>41623 >MUH SAUCE Open wide, children! https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-for-u-s-citizens-in-russia/ Man imagine just searching this shit and having it pop on the first page.
>>41624 why search for things when I can get you to do it for me?
>>41624 >Americans with dual citizenship may be liable for conscription. Heh. Heh heh heh. Heh.
>>41624 seems more like a warning for those with dual citizenship to gtfo, i don't really see how they could kidnap burgers and get away with it without causing an international incident.
when america invade russia?
>>41629 Whenever the breakaway regions get around to officially becoming Russian soil. As I am 99% certain America already has deployments in and around these regions by “mercenaries.”
>>41622 I've heard every rumor under the sun so I'm not commenting on it until I know more. >>41619 The Norwegians have more to gain from this than the Americans, but the location of the explosion and everything else leads me to believe it wasn't Russia. Russia wouldn't destroy their own pipeline when they have been using it as a bargaining chip with Europe and it's hardly a "coincidence" that this happened right as the Baltic Pipeline went live.
Serbanon did the Serbian government actually complain about the referenda because it legitimizes the process Kosovo used to become a NATO vassal state?
>>41629 Never. It's too much of a hassle and will make an outcry at home since 'lives lost'. >>41630 >Mercenaries >implying they get paid as well as Wagner does Lmao, they fucking volunteered for this shit. >>41625 >third world country forcing a shittier third world country to do its bidding Hey, this isn't how it supposed to work. >>41633 Not a Serb but i'm surprised if they actually do complain since aren't Serbs and Russkis supposed to be BFFs?
>>41570 Pure coincidence, eh?
>>41633 >"The President of Serbia stated that Serbia "cannot" recognize the results of the referendum, not that it "doesn't want to". The difference between possibility, with calculated consequences, and desire is that desire does not always meet reality. Between desire and possibilities are sometimes where big conflicts happen. A lot of what's in our head can't find its way through reality." Basically, as much as I despise Vucic, he kinda did the only course of action acceptable. If he recognized DNR/LNR it would indirectly legitimize Kosovo. Not that it matters tho, once the Ukraine thing blows over, we're fucked anyway,USA/EU won't take kindly to dissent. Also, there was no referendum at Kosovo, they simply decided to succeed and NATO helped them. It's slightly more complicated that than, but you get the gist of it.
>>41629 When 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门 >>41624 Meanwhile Russo-Americans in burgerland get treated worse than in Hotline Miami's backstory
>>41602 >>41612 was that thank you supposed to be genuine? or was he saying like GEE THANKS USA. GOOD JOB. NOW THE QUAGMIRE WAR WILL EITHER NEVER END OR ESCALATE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
French Zoomer explains why Russia got their ass kicked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PCJdXdusEA
>>41637 That's the beauty. Russia knows most of their allies can't accept the referendum, but nobody (except the West) is going to bitch if grain came out of a Russian port that used to be Ukrainian.
>>41625 That's why the earth trembles and tries to eat you alive, cockroach
>>41639 >bugspraying manually Get with the times. We have AIs to do this stuff for us now.
>>41618 Whoever had to utter let loose a flutter. >>41650 >Not making the AI draw Xi morphing into Winnie the Pooh like the cover of a animorph book >>41637 Abstention is just as much a sign of support when it is expected of you to tow the line no matter what. Events like and even UN votes if nothing else help draw the world map on which countries stand in relation to Russia.
>>41651 >Not making the AI draw Xi morphing into Winnie the Pooh like the cover of a animorph book That, I'd like to see >Abstention is just as much a sign of support when it is expected of you to tow the line no matter what Hard to mount any significant resistance when guns are aimed at your backs and there's honestly very little change in your daily life. It's like thinking that the German occupation of France was the same as the German occupation of Poland.
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>>41651 >Not making the AI draw Xi morphing into Winnie the Pooh like the cover of a animorph book Pic related >Abstention is just as much a sign of support when it is expected of you to tow the line no matter what. Events like and even UN votes if nothing else help draw the world map on which countries stand in relation to Russia. Eh, it's kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't. The vast majority here supports Russia or retains sympathy for her, so as long as our goverment doesn't rock the boat and maintains the balance between Russia/West they'll be left alone to be inept, corrupt little kleptocrats we all know and hate.
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Taciturnity marks him who lives in accordance with the spontaneity of nature. A whirlwind never outlasts the morning, nor a downpour the day. Who causes these events but Heaven and Earth? If even Heaven and Earth cannot make such spasmodic acts last long, how much less can man.
Do you think the west has any concrete goals with trying to isolate and grind down Russia, or is it just a ˝legacy project˝ from the Cold War? Or to go a bit further back in time, do the Anglo-Saxons want to turn Russia into their lapdog the same way they did with Germany?
>>41662 Russia is a rebellious country resisting globohomo because they want their own and probably worse version of it that's enough of a reason to grind them down, but i also think there's a lot of ideological "inertia" in NATO against Russia, it was created as the anti-Russia alliance after all, it'd be silly to think they'd just forget about everything after the USSR collapsed.
>>41666 so did burgers really plant the bomb at B or are we never going to know for sure for another 20 years?
>>41662 Russia has been attacking the countries around it since the commies fell. It's a rabid dog, and it's being taken behind the shed after it's mauled one kid too many. >>41667 Russia has planted the bomb to falseflag the US while shutting down the gas without direct political repercussions.
>>41662 The plan was to flood Ukraine with woke garbage as fourth and fifth generational warfare to encourage fighting in the caucuses since a vassal state or rogue state connecting the West to the Caspian sea would have been the final lynchpin in Iran's coffin and would cut off Russia from about 60% of their food supply. That plan didn't work out so now NATO launched a false flag attack on Nordstream to generate casus belli for a direct invasion since Russia turned the tables and now NATO is on the losing end.
>>41665 Russia wants to remain a regional power. They want proper globalism (globally connected community, culturally distinct peoples) instead of Western globalism.
>>41669 Austria.
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https://nitter.1d4.us/PavelLatushka/status/1575450978685444104#m We'll see how true it is, but I hope they war will finally start spreading.
>>41673 Spread where? They just want to field test weapons.
>>41673 The EU needs to make it clear that if a as much as a single Belarusian soldier steps over that border, the EU liberates Belarus from its dictatorship.
>>41667 Yes. >>41669 >Without political repercussions Spain has already labeled it sabotage and preemptively declared war on whoever did it.
>>41669 Why does Russia need to blow up the pipeline? They can simply leave it empty and use it as a bargaining chip. Only three parties benefit from this: America who can now sell gas to Europe, Norway who just completed a gas pipeline, and the UK who can now create a new excuse to go to war with Russia with Boris out. Guess who was spotted in the exact area with explosives not three months ago? Protip: It wasn't Russia. If Russia was going to blow up anything it would have been Norway's pipes connecting to Europe. Guess who is currently discussing using the pipeline as an excuse for war? Protip again: It wasn't Russia. Didn't an anon predict this would happen in the first thread or two?
>>41680 anons predict that everything will happen at one point or another, it doesn't mean anything.
>>41680 Idk man, the whole thing glows brighter than the sun. Russia could have just shut off their pumping station at Vyborg. If Russia did shoot itself in the foot which I seriously doubt, that little maneuver comes with 20 billion price tag, assuming it's knocked out for good. There's far more cheaper alternatives to false flag something. Too bad Russia won't do jack shit in retaliation.
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Quick update. Oskol front: Liman is pretty much encircled. While UAF didn't managed to break it in frontal attack, and took significant casualties, they managed to close on the flanks and encircle the city. I don't see Liman holding out for long surrounded on all sides, unless Russians commit fresh men and deblocking operation is initiated. Russian BARS unit stationed in Liman, which had held it since the start of Ukrainian attacks, stated they will not retreat and will fight to the bitter end. Not looking good for the Russians in immediate future. Kherson front: UAF has either pulled most of its units form the bridgehead or has been entirely decimated. Probably combination of both. If this was invisioned as diversionary attack it succeeded in allowing UAF break trough the Russian defenses in Kharkov. Smaller probing attacks continue in Kherson area. No image for now, Rybar will probably post one tonight.
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>>41691 >Russian BARS unit https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/reserves-bars.htm So reservists, but the kind of variety that volunteered for this. > If this was invisioned as diversionary attack it succeeded in allowing UAF break trough the Russian defenses in Kharkov. I would jokingly suggests that this is the perfect opportunity for the Russians to attack on that front, but by now we can be pretty sure that they are woefully overstretched everywhere, otherwise they would have managed to stabilize the north.
>>41675 They never will because an unified Eurostate would not be a socdem bureaucracy but an American like federation.
>>41667 It will be lost to the mists of time after WWIII.
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>>41692 >I would jokingly suggests that this is the perfect opportunity for the Russians to attack on that front, but by now we can be pretty sure that they are woefully overstretched everywhere, otherwise they would have managed to stabilize the north. First Russian operational reserves should be hitting the theater next week. First to be send will be men who have already some combat experience from Chechen wars/Georgian war. Others will go under refreshment training before being sent to the front. So the front will probably remain fluid until Russians commit to counter attack. Forces defending Liman might either have their Bastonge moment, or they'll get KIA/POW. Right now, they must focus on stabilizing the Oskol front, as for future aims of Russians they remain a misery. Honestly, I don't see a push towards Odessa unless they pull a Strelkov and do another two rounds of 300K men.
>>41691 Anything less than the encircling of Sevastopol is pointless for Ukraine at this point though, besides the PR of course >>41696 >I don't see a push towards Odessa unless they pull a Strelkov and do another two rounds of 300K men. Don't forget the massive losses Ukraine has suffered, losses that the west can't/won't simply restock anymore
>>41696 >Chechen wars Roughly between 1994 and 1999. >Georgian war That happened in 2008. Assuming the ex-soldiers were in their late teens to early twenties I can see why western media is going on about how they are sending old men to the front. It seems to me the average Russian doesn't go gracefully into the old age, so a bunch of Russian men in their 40s could look like a bunch of men in their 50s-
>>41699 That is a good point, the Ukrainian army and its reserves have had 8 years of admittedly low intensity recent war experience that the Russian army simply lacks
>>41698 >losses that the west can't/won't simply restock anymore Last I heard, the planned timeline for the next HIMARS delivery is "6 to 24 months" from now.
>>41698 >Don't forget the massive losses Ukraine has suffered, losses that the west can't/won't simply restock anymore True. But we still don't know just how much casualties Ukrainians have suffered. 50K? 70K? 100K? 100+K? we can only speculate, Rybar stopped counting at 70K,but the source, while being the most accurate in this war, is still potentially biased. Still, they have a lot of men to potentially conscript, and they can always switch to defensive which, while they will be static and under constant artillery fire, will prolong the war at impose a cost to the Russians. >>41699 >That happened in 2008. Assuming the ex-soldiers were in their late teens to early twenties I can see why western media is going on about how they are sending old men to the front. From what I've gathered, older men will either serve in logistics,drivers, as a tank/BTR crew or if they're volunteers, as a defense. Younger ones that only have basic training will be sent later after additional training. Assuming there's no fuckup whitin commiserate. >It seems to me the average Russian doesn't go gracefully into the old age, so a bunch of Russian men in their 40s could look like a bunch of men in their 50s- True, but you'd be surprised. Some are smoking two-three packs a day and are still healthier than average zoomer, and some like you say, look like they're late to their own funeral. In any case, they're a liability, but hey, it's all they get for now. Also, tommorow it's expected to finalize the integration of annexed republics into Russian Federation. So who knows, maybe we're in for a fireworks.
>>41701 And that's just HIMARS, what about tanks for example and other heavy vehicles and ordnance? also a year or more away if given at all, can Ukraine survive long enough with what they have now? after a month of offensives and with the Russians building up and likely commencing their own offensives? I don't really see it unless the Russians fuck it up, which is a possibility if we're honest, they have their fair share of corruption and incompetence to say the absolute least. >>41702 >But we still don't know just how much casualties Ukrainians have suffered Ukraine has no shortage of men for now, it's everything else they lack and have been throwing at the Russians to destroy, which has bought them some square miles in the north sure, but those have been PR victories more than anything still.
>>41673 >Ultimatum he cannot refuse They already made him that offer when he forced a plane to land in order to arrest a dissident and he told them to fuck off. They already cut off the two main exports (tech and coal) royally fucking the country's ability to get loans. This is why the West got double-penetrated when the Russians did that initial strike on Kiev and Chernihiv since they had moved that tech/coal industry into Ukraine as a slightly more expensive substitute for Belarus. The only saving grace for them is that all men were being conscripted at the border regardless of nationality so they only had to deal with the competents they had already exported out and before early summer the women and children fleeing the country.
>>41684 They could potentially launch a stealth operation from Kaliningrad to blow up a portion of the Norway-Poland Baltic Pipeline that just opened at the same time that Nordstream was bombed.
>>41692 Alternate explanation: Those regions are still considered "independent" so until the Russian parliament meets and ratifies everything either around October 3rd or possibly even the 10th, they aren't part of Russia. I know it sounds stupid, but this is a type of psychological attack Putin likes and is known to do to all his pawns from time to time. He's going to bring them in, but he always likes to make them squirm a bit to see how they act under pressure. Right now the only ones defending Liman are volunteers and the combined Donbass armed forces. While I think Putin is a fairly sane leader as far as leaders go, the DNR/LNR forces pose a threat similar to the Chechens back in the day once their regions are fully secured. Once people get to these positions of power they have to think about these sort of power plays like a sociopath. Rather, you have to be a little bit of a sociopath to make it into that kind of position in government regardless of the country. He's probably thinking "while some sacrifices will have to be made, this will appease fence-sitter countries, and get DNR/LNR forces killed so they don't rebel in 10-20 years when I'm gone."
>>41700 >recent war experience that the Russian army simply lacks Normally I would agree, however: A) Most of Ukraine's veterans died in the first three months of fighting or in the Kherson Offensive/Izium offensive. See: >>41644 B) The North Caucuses (ISIL/Caucuses Emirate), Crimea, Syria, the Central African Republic, Armenia/Azerbaijan...
>>41702 >and they can always switch to defensive Except they want on a whole rant about how they needed to stop being static and how the new "active defense" (pseudo-wave tactics) was the way to go, so now going against the government's verdict to use "active defense" is punishable as treason under Ukrainian law.
>>41708 Alright, Russia has some experience but the Ukrainians still have the edge id's say, i'd also say the Russians have been learning quickly
>Poland says that NATO should respond with missiles and aviation strikes on Russia if it uses a nuclear weapon in Ukraine Poland does not rule out the deployment of NATO forces on Ukrainian soil but says Russia can be struck without NATO entering Ukraine >Poland has drawn a red line on the need for a conventional military response to a Russian tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine As Poland and the Baltic States typically advocate the most hawkish responses to Russia, a nuclear retaliation is likely not on the cards for NATO https://archive.ph/jE4pb
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>>41705 I mean, they could, but so far, heir usual response is 'diplomatic protest' and other hippy bullshit, so I'd ont think they will do anything too rash. However, let me run my tinfoil hat theory by you. There has been massive increase of comments regarding the whole "Russia will use nukes" by Western/Ukrainian politicians in the last few days. Some WMSM is running stories that Russians blew up North Stream 2 also. So, maybe glowies from a certain three letter agancy will do a little false flag. Nuke something in Ukraine, blame it on Russia and say they did it because they got desperate since they can no longer use NS2 as a bargaining chip, and that Russia blew up NS2 in a false flag so they can run the whole "we had no options, we got desperate because we no longer have NS2 as an ace in the hole" story. It's semi advanced 2.5D chess tactics. I know it sounds ridiculous, and the chance of me being correct is much lower than 1%, but hey, politicians aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shead. If I'm right, I'll be laughing underneath nuclear mushroom cloud shade. >>41709 >Except they want on a whole rant about how they needed to stop being static and how the new "active defense" Well, they're right. It bore fruit. The fist few months were basically UAF getting shelled non stop in their foxhole. However, while Ukrainians have plenty of cannon fodder, this tactic is not sustainable by Ukrainian armaments industry, and NATO hardware and ordnance will only last for so long. Once Russians thins out remaining heavy weapons, UAF will have no choice by to revert to defense, with maybe occasional ISIS style Toyota raids. Barring massive, war loosing fuck up on Russian side, they should be able to ragain lost ground once additional men are pulled it and UAF rounds out of steam. It's important now for the Russians to do damage control untill they unfuck themselves.
>>41713 I think even the hawks would be reluctant to commit themselves to specifics, so I wouldn't say nuclear-for-nuclear is off the table if it actually does happen. For vaguer statements, keep in mind things like Liz Truss's debate response. She was asked how she'd feel about launching nukes (not whether she would if necessary, since as the moderator pointed out, it's a given all candidates would say yes) and she refused to even say she'd feel bad about it. All she did was repeat that she's "ready" to give the order.
>>41671 I dunno, anon. I remember being taught as a child in the West that that's the West's definition for globalism as well. But it never works. There is such a thing as cultures that are fundamentally incompatible with each other no matter what. And compromises without changing fundamentals so much that the hybrid result has utterly nothing to do with either of its parents aside from superficial external appearances are impossible. So then what does Russia do? Admit all of those decades and millions of lives spent on making the world more tolerant place are forever a total waste and a lie? Or does Russia become a new flavor of globohomo and selectively force tolerance on dissidents? Russia's super specific definition of globalism that has never been tried before will not change this. Watching NATO squirm at having proper competition is very funny, barring Slavic tendency to incompetently ruin itself as much as it ruins the competition. But I'm not trusting Russia to be a Savior of any kind.
>>41714 If there was a nuclear false flag, where in the Ukraine does anon think it would be? >>41715 >Anglo woman acts entirely immoral if it's not directly affecting her That's not a surprise, but I want Big Ben and Buckingham atomized if she does it. >>41717 The difference between the two is that the other pole still practices colonialism. Sinofication, Russification, etc are alive and well. If they meet an incompatible culture, they dominate and convert it. Unlike America, Russia and China rewrite languages and cultures rather than eroding them. This doesn't necessarily make it better. A lot of the complaints that Russia has a lot of Muslims and Asians are rooted in this. "Russian" can sometimes be considered a catchall supranationality, which is part of why Eurasianism sprouted from Russians. China, Brazil, and Iran have similar things.
>>41720 >If there was a nuclear false flag, where in the Ukraine does anon think it would be? Kiev is a good bet. >>41717 >Russia to be a Savior of any kind. Those in power are saviors of their own power, first and foremost. >>41714 >active defense >this tactic is not sustainable by Ukrainian Agreed, once the UAF offensive runs out of steam and it's back to the artillery grind and also winter cold setting in the morale probably won't swim so good then again ukies are proven masters of delusion A few failed waves Kherson style it might just be ogre unless maybe NATO is willing to toss more wunderwaffens to UAF (can't think of much off the top, maybe more HIMARS). I honestly think this winter might do more damage than any man made weapons. Even if EU is stocked up on gas for the heating season 1) that probably excludes Ukraine 2) WTF do they do after winter, still need gas to generate power and run industry especially for war production 3) this isn't going to be the last winter unless... 🍄, how much can be done within the next year to shift energy supply especially with NS2 out (and I wouldn't rule out like-kind retaliation)
>>41720 >If they meet an incompatible culture, they dominate and convert it. Unlike America, Russia and China rewrite languages and cultures rather than eroding them. That isn't what Dugin wants, he dreams of a counter-muttopia as an anti-West bloc, which is just alt-globohomo.
>>41721 Wouldn't hitting Kiev be too suspicious? It would signal that Russia is going on an intense offensive without possibility of peace rather than the state being on its last breath. I would think that a smaller but still sizable city, perhaps in Western Ukraine, is a potential target. >>41723 I don't mean Dugin's bastard Neo-Eurasianism. I mean the original concept of Eurasianism as formed by Savitsky, Trubetzkoy, etc.
>>41724 >too suspicious Who exactly are you trying to fool by setting off a nuclear explosion?? The list of suspects is extremely short as is. For any semblance of cover it'd have to be a nuclear power plant I guess.
>>41720 >Nuclear false flag Launched by Ukraine? In a nuclear power plant most likely. By Russia? Probably Kiev or Chernihiv since it would be best to keep the new experiment close to the Zone. A nuclear power plant wouldn't be off the table though.
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>>41721 Don't forget burning down entire forests to smoke out the Ukrainian commando units using flammenwarfen. Keeps things nice and toasty too.
>>41683 Glowing post >>41713 Why does Poland always seem to be that one dude who hates everyone and breaks fast with poo? they always seem suspicious towards everyone, german west, russian east and balkan south
>>41707 All power systems require someone to be a bit of a lunatic for wanting all that power and all those responsibilities as well. A saner man would think twice before declaring war, but a saner man is also the one that gets sent to war against his will in the first place. >>41729 You would be too if you spent hundreds of years as a super power and hundreds more being split and torn apart by other superpowers. >>41714 This reeks of Belkan strategy guides and I don't see it happening, especially now that Ukro PR is convincing everyone they're winning. Plus no matter how corrupt a western agency is I still can't believe they would purposefully create a nuclear apocalypse for a paycheck, unless they're China which is the only nation able to survive one. Also, how do you suppose they even bring a nuke all through Europe without raising suspicion, at least from the French? Unless you're falling for the suitcase nuke meme. I'm more worried about what will happen in like 20-30 years when most of the old farts who remember the Cold war shrivel up and die. >>41717 >There is such a thing as cultures that are fundamentally incompatible with each other no matter what. And compromises without changing fundamentals so much that the hybrid result has utterly nothing to do with either of its parents aside from superficial external appearances are impossible. Very true, reminds me of Singapore and the Philippines.
>>41720 >If there was a nuclear false flag, where in the Ukraine does anon think it would be? Somewhere convenient as to appear as a valid target that Russians would attack, while not damaging Ukrainians too much. Maybe a tunnel trough carpathians, given most weapons come by civilian trucks trough Poland and grain is now free to be moved trough Odessa. >>41721 >once the UAF offensive runs out of steam and it's back to the artillery grind Yeah, this will mean UAF will again be static, and that benefits Russia, even though it will prolongue the war, they don't see to be in hurry anymore since they couldn't knock out Ukraine in the opening. Overall,Russians need to regain initiative that they've just simply handed over to the Ukrainian. Initiative is one of the factors of war that often gets underestimated. >>41731 >I still can't believe they would purposefully create a nuclear apocalypse for a paycheck, unless they're China which is the only nation able to survive one Yeah, like I say, I don't actually think somebody is crazy enough to push the big red button, but you...you never know. Also, while China would survive nuclear war slightly better than the rest, they would still be nuked back to stone age GDP wise, population wise they would do OK, because Chinas countryside is myriad of small villages/towns,pretty much impossible to nuke em all, unless you salt the nukes. Unironically a village, or a small town, in bumfuck nowhere in Siberia would be the best bet for survival. Cold, but plenty of game, wood, and seasonal food. Australian outback is also good candidate, being only slightly less inhospitable than irradiated nuclear wasteland.
Russia grew bigger!
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>>41738 OURS NOW
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Fiery speech, and shit will only escalate from here
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>Putin makes some incredibly harsh statements during his speech >call out Anglo-Saxon sabotage of NS2, their hegemony and double standards, western faggotry(literally) , western hypocrisy and categorically rejected their 'rules based order ' >Zelensky just now singed the paper for immediate acceptance of Ukraine into the NATO >NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg and UN Secretary General Guterres will make an “unprecedented statement” at 19:00 that will concern Ukraine. Looks like we're back on track for WW3 boys
>>41742 My body is ready to be irradiated.
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>>41742 >Zelensky just now singed the paper for immediate acceptance of Ukraine into the NATO what
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>>41742 >Zelensky just now singed the paper for immediate acceptance of Ukraine into the NATO
>>41742 Is there a translated transcript somewhere? Also, 19:00 y Yuropean time?
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does rusia monke want war with NATO? does he actually think he can win? or is he expecting them to either keep being a bunch of pussies or, if they do declare war, hope that society rises up against them and overthrows their governments? seems like he just wants max chaos at this point, he knows exactly what's going to happen after annexing the eastern regions.
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>>41743 Hope you brought your lead underwear >>41744 >>41746 *signed a paper asking for immediate acceptance of Ukraine into NATO should have been more specific >>41747 >Is there a translated transcript somewhere? Also, 19:00 y Yuropean time? There's some on Telegram channels, but not the whole speech. Also there are some paraphrased translations. No ide on the time tho.
>>41749 >asking That makes more sense. Damn, i doubt Ukraine is the hill NATO wants the world to die on, so i doubt they'd be accepted, but it's not a strong doubt. If it does happen i see it just freezing the conflict more than going full ww3, but the margin between the 2 is pretty narrow.
>>41742 Looks like the war is over. What's Putin going to do, attack NATO? No, he'll leave Ukraine, and peace will be restored at last, and he'll probably get lynched by the populace as Russia gets humiliated by losing "its" new regions a day after "getting" them.
>>41750 We'll, Putin did sign paper for annexation of Donbass, Zaporozhie and Kherson and they will be considered as fully fledged Russian land. Soooo, let's just say NATO accepts Ukraine tonight and decides to intervene and puts boots on the ground, specifically in regions of ongoing conflict. Technically should Russia actually use nukes on those territories it would technically be on their own territory... technically. Maybe they're counting that, if shit hits the fan, nuking 'themselves' won't trigger full on nuclear exchange. I still don't see them splitting an atom willy-nilly tho, so this is just worst case scenario I can think of.
>>41749 >*signed a paper asking for immediate acceptance of Ukraine into NATO Didnt he already do that a couple weeks after the invasion and he wasnt let in then?
>>41752 Yeah, but NATO intervene in a conflict that started previously? specially against a nuclear power? I really don't know what to think now >>41753 But that's the thing, it was just a couple of weeks after the invasion, a lot has happened since. Though a lot that both increases and decreases the chances of it happening.
>>41752 This is sounding more and more like Belkan strats by the hour.
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>>41754 >Yeah, but NATO intervene in a conflict that started previously? specially against a nuclear power? I really don't know what to think now Eh, I agree too. Like I said, it's far fetched they'll intervene directly . NATO already has advisors in Ukraine, and I think it's safe to assume that vast majority of Ukrainian general staff is made out of NATO officers, while Ukraine provides cannon fodder, the deal works for NATO. But I don't know, I don't think USA likes the stance taken by Russia, especially in the last few days. So things could go in the direction nobody is expecting. >>41753 >Yeah, but NATO intervene in a conflict that started previously? specially against a nuclear power? I really don't know what to think now Yeah, but iirc it was more or less standard application procedure pumped up by media. I could be wrong. However makes no sense for them to apply twice for the same thing, so something must have changed, right?
>>41752 Not everything has to result in the world's end Serbia, even if it would relive you of the pain of existence.
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>>41742 No way NATO is going to make Ukraine a member while the war is still going. If anything this is just gonna justify Russia seriously considering regime change again. As if that wasn't on the table with 300k additional men coming in If they wanted WW3, they would have threatened boots on the ground months ago. The official comment on the speech will be nothing more than bitching about what was said and saying that Russia is totally gonna fail.
>Stoltenberg telling Hohols it's a-okay to attack Russian liberate occupied formerly Ukrainian territory and that nukular blackmail doesn't change anything about the fundamental nature of the conflict
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>>41742 >call out Anglo-Saxon sabotage of NS2, their hegemony and double standards, western faggotry(literally) , western hypocrisy and categorically rejected their 'rules based order ' I want to hear this.
>>41762 So in a roundabout way he calls the Russian bluff regarding nukes. Except that the Russian stance seems to be that they don't want to nuke anyone if they can avoid it. I assume the main purpose of this statement is to keep the nuclear question in mind for propaganda purposes.
>>41764 The Kremlin releases English copies of all of Putin's speeches IIRC.
>>41764 >>41766 Supposedly this is the translation.
Here's the link actually. Note I have to be connected to a Slovak or Serbian VPN to access the website right now and it's impossible to access over mobile even with a VPN for some reason: http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/speeches
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>>41767 >that entire speech never ceases to amaze me how much putin loves to larp as the savior of the west and call everyone nazis, then cry about protecting the will of the people in the lands that they just occupied. with soldiers. and artillery. with a referendum where voting "no" will at best not be acknowledged, and at worse get you thrown in a ditch. he's just rhyming with history at this point, i guess i'm just in disbelief at how much it repeats itself.
>>41770 The Soviet Union ceased to exist over 30 years ago.
>>41774 yes, and?
>>41767 I don't disagree with his philosophy toward the West, but his kvetching that it's just like Goebbels and glorification of the Soviet Union display the Russian national obsession with historical loss comparable to that of Americans and victory. Before the Germans and West, it was the Japanese. Before the Japanese, it was the Mongols. Russia would "integrate" Ukrainian culture through genocide if it could annex the state and will likely do so to Belorussian/Ruthenian when the states inevitably unify if Russia is victorious. Further, China's Belt and Road is textbook colonialism yet is supported by Russia. I'm glad that Anti-Americanism has a place globally, but its champions being historical and national cuckolds, Russians and Chinese, is disappointing.
>>41770 You wrote that as if it's not what everyone thinks. Yes Putin is using rhetoric for propaganda purposes, so?
>>41749 >EU patch EUgh Still, it's probably in everyone's best interest if the gloves came off and accepted them already, even if Natto is absolutely going to bail on a full scale war in Ukraine as "uh oh sorry buster you haven't joined our cool club earlier, no article 5 for you for now" and only the rump state will remain. >>41752 How could Poutine even think of nuking those areas? Do you think the slavs who sacrificed themselves would accept it? This is no longer Stalinist Russia where you could cover up hundreds of thousands of bodies and no one would bat an eye, information flows much faster than censorship has any way of stopping it. >>41767 >Putin using Kiyv instead of Kiev Is he really that considerate or is it just the translator's botched attempt? >>41774 Transnistria still exists so, not really
>>41779 >Is he really that considerate or is it just the translator's botched attempt? The original source is right underneath that post. >Transnistria still exists so, not really And Denmark is still an empire because Greenland exists. Right.
>>41780 >saging a bumplocked thread
>>41781 he was just making sure
What's this "civilian convoy" the news is kvetching about? Nobody's saying what they were actually doing, with the reports only ever stressing that they were civilians headed for Russian-held territory.
>>41783 Probably as it says. I can't find the Russian report yet, but it sounds like a bunch of civilians started an unofficial convoy (with or without Ukrainian soldiers) and were preparing to drive back to Russian-held territory when they got shelled for being a large conglomeration of people in one spot heading towards the front lines. Ukraine is spinning it as a "gotcha" and no further information is currently available. It's war. This shit happens.
>>41731 >falling for the suitcase nuke meme Are you saying a suitcase-size bomb isn't technically feasible or the explosion wouldn't have enough effect? >create a nuclear apocalypse for a paycheck Got me thinking, in what currency could such a paycheck be collected? Fiat, equities, precious metals and all other 'virtual' stores of wealth lose most value instantly following a nuke. Guns+ammo/fuel/goats are impractical to deal with in those volumes. That leaves "power" and the satisfaction of knowing you've outdone your rivals? That is to say I largely agree with your conclusion. >>41738 >>41739 >>41741 Vladimir sign paper. >>41742 >>41749 Volodymyr also sign paper! to use in toilet >>41752 >metal gymnastics to make it make sense Rules/legalities/conventions only matter in so far as people respect and uphold them which requires a cool head, but once the hot heads prevail they'll just do as they will. >>41762 >Stoltenberg telling Hohols it's a-okay to liberate >>41765 >calls the Russian bluff regarding nukes >Russian stance seems to be that they don't want to nuke anyone >propaganda purposes >It's flappening status quo since cry me a river.
>>41768 >impossible to access over mobile even with a VPN for some reason >for some reason Most government .ru servers are likely blocking network traffic wholesale except from "friendly" nations, otherwise everything would be completely DDOS'd. >>41781 >>41782 It's the thought that counts.
In other news, Russians have been striking Ukrainian dams, so that hohols have been flooded recently.
>>41785 >Are you saying a suitcase-size bomb isn't technically feasible or the explosion wouldn't have enough effect? Do you have any idea how heavy uranium is, or how you achieve the critical mass needed for an explosion?
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>>41780 >And Denmark is still an empire because Greenland exists. Right. It's real in my heart >>41785 >the explosion wouldn't have enough effect This, especially since if it was really feasible, several countries would have already successfully attempted it. >Got me thinking, in what currency could such a paycheck be collected? Nuclear shelters and food stockpiles come to mind but as you said, only some kind of madlad would even think of that over living in a non irradiated wasteland.
>>41749 >asking lol this is like watching boomers yell about blood and trees at a gun rally then waiting for permission to do a revolution.
>>41768 I can access it just fine. I have my nitpicks (especially with biased historical references), but overall this was unbelievably based.
>>41797 Based on what?
>>41803 Chicken butt.
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>>41788 >Do you have any idea how heavy uranium is, or how you achieve the critical mass needed for an explosion? Critical mass is just under 25lbs, the Davy Crockett warhead was apparently 50lbs w/o any launcher/guidance accessories. Hardly a doomsday device but still after the smoke clears the chaos and panic would be over 9000 easily, not to mention the radioactive mess it leaves behind. To be fair "suitcase nuke" format per-se is a meme since the device has to be a sphere to 'assemble' the critical mass efficiently, so like a basketball-in-backpack type thing. >>41789 >if it was really feasible, several countries would have already successfully attempted it Highly debatable. It's a risky complex operation, and requires a lot of expertise. Norks or Iran could probably pull it off but they'd get wiped off the map in short order for that. Outfits crazy enough to YOLO it like HAMAS just don't have the capability. >>41804 >takes time to shitpost response >doesn't include Carlos reaction image Weak, Colombia. Weak.
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>>41806 >/k/ - Weapons >discusses suitcases nukes >no one shows any awareness of the SADM This board has been taken over by war tourists and the original userbase has abandoned it confirmed.
>>41807 >t. poser who had to look up wtf a Davey Crocket is on kikepedia, then clicked a link from the "See also" section
>>41807 Well that's not exactly a suitcase now is it? When most people say "suitcase nuke" they're talking about some conceptual bomb that you can literally walk around with in broad daylight without causing suspicion of any kind, not a 30 pound hunk of obvious.
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>>41812 Just put it inside a hiking backpack
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Update: From what I've gathered, looks like Russians managed to deblock Liman at Troskie, so garrison inside it has been ordered to retreat so it doesn't get encircled again. Liman will have to be abandoned by the Russians. UAF have entered the city from the western side, while RUAF will establish a new defensive positions further up north. No further information available. Down south, Kherson is more or less settled down. >>41807 Not only that, but there are even 152mm artillery shells, that have miniature tactical nukes in 2.5 kiloton range. Obviously 'suitcase nuke' is just a matter of speech, but its not that hard to imagine they would be able to scale down criticality cores and subsequent firing mechanism to roughly the same size. Gunbarrel type nukes are stupid simple,tho I don't know how well they scale. You can always do explosive lenses type if space is an issue. There's always a weight problem, given that uranium itself is denser than your average stelok. I'd say theoretically, today you can even go smaller than SADM while having a useful kiloton yield higher than that of your typical nuclear artillery shell. >>41812 >he doesn't do farmer walks at gym so one day he'll be able to carry suitcase nukes inconspicuously ngmi
>>41814 Well, that was somehow unceremonious. But am I feeling it correctly that the lines are slowly stabilizing by now?
>>41820 >But am I feeling it correctly that the lines are slowly stabilizing by now? We'll see. Now they say they're establishing new defensive position along Kremmina-Svatove-Borova, and first elements of newly mobilized forces have started to pour in. So it's now or never for the Russians to stabilize the line.
>>41814 Gun type nukes are inefficient in space and how much fissile material you need. They need over a critical mass to work and generally lead to lower yields than explosively compressing a core. Small nukes are designed to fissile so the yield isn't an issue there but the cost and size is. These small nukes are mostly designed to irradiate an area instead of destroy it through blast. You could easily get a city evacuated for safety but it's not quite the nuclear apocalypse that destroys your infrastructure and burns entire cities. It's great as a warcrime and might kill some generals so I guess they're perfect for a false flag. But, forensics are good enough to determine some history on what fissiles were used and where they came from so whoever uses it is going to be able to deny it less than the Nordstream attacks. Hopefully you steal the fissiles from a rival nation first.
>>41821 >new defensive position along Kremmina-Svatove-Borova Damn, that looks like a lot of ground to give. Of course, it's quite reasonable if they make a fighting retreat with the forces already fighting in the area, so that the attackers will face a properly built-up defensive line.
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>>41809 I bet you never even played MGS3 zoomerbaby.
Anything interesting?
>>41846 Russians sacked the general of Western Military Districts, they didn't say why but everyone can assume it's for incompetence. There's a rumor going on he ordered a single battalion to take highway ring around Kharkov in the very beginning, also, he's apparently the one who fucked up the whole strategy around Kiev-Sumy-Kharkov axis, this is all a rumor though. Other than that, besides Russians pulling out of Liman and few skirmishes here and there, nothing of note. Slow weekend.
>>41848 >he ordered a single battalion to take highway ring around Kharkov in the very beginning Considering how they thought that they can just roll into Kyeev, it doesn't seem to be that extreme. A battalion of soldiers should be enough to police some hapless civilians who can barely contain their excitement over being liberated. Of course, that's not how things went, but he wasn't the only one to think like this.
>>41852 The main issue is probably his follwup. You can usually forgive an initial miscalculation, but when you keep fucking up over and over afterwards it's pretty safe to say you're either incompetent or deliberately sabotaging your own side.
9 NATO members urge support for Ukraine after annexation https://archive.ph/YLqqa >The leaders of Czechia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Romania and Slovakia published a statement on their websites Sunday saying: “We support Ukraine in its defense against Russia’s invasion, demand (that Russia) immediately withdraw from all the occupied territories and encourage all allies to substantially increase their military aid to Ukraine.” >Asked Friday about Zelenskyy’s application for accelerated NATO membership, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the application process in Brussels “should be taken up at a different time.” >NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg was noncommittal when asked about Zelenskyy’s appeal to join. >Dmitry Medvedev, deputy head of Russia’s Security Council chaired by Putin, derided the move, saying that Zelenskyy’s request amounts to “begging NATO to accelerate the start of World War III.” Not that exciting, but it made me chuckle.
>>41852 True, but like anon >>41853 pointed out, you either re adjust and unfuck yourself, or your incompetence is either bordering on criminal or treasonous.
>>41846 Kherson front is collapsing
>>41857 Is it now? really?
>>41857 But which side's line is collapsing there?
>>41860 >inb4 it's both sides
>>41861 >everyone got enough of the situation, so both sides packed up and went for an extended holiday That is just absurd enough that I might believe it if multiple channels reported it.
>>41862 >>41861 >each side buys their own propaganda so thoroughly they think the war is over and have fucked off back home >entire region is devoid of anything but extremely confused civilians expecting more shelling any second If anyone is retarded enough to pull this off it's slavs.
>>41857 Ok and? Who tells that this won't be another part of this war?
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Alright, since there are no confirmed news from the front, and the thread is slow. I'm gonna throw you some numbers. Post taken from pro Russian telegram channel. >I will answer the question, will we limit ourselves to one wave of mobilization? Front line 1000 km. If one battalion occupies a defense area of ​​3 X 5 km, and we, so be it, will deploy it in 5 X 3, then it is necessary to keep it in the first line. Total 200 battalions. Multiply by 500 people. 100,000 people in the first echelon. Given the strength of the enemy - the same number in the second. A total of 200,000. And also artillery, support, reconnaissance, rear services, and so on. Another 100,000! Total, front - 300,000. >To advance, you need to have at least two more strike groups - that's another 200,000. >Total: 500,000 >It is necessary to form reserves non-stop. For such a grouping, this is still at least 200,000. >It is worth remembering that at least 20% of the troops on the front line must be on rotation. >That's another 150,000. >In total, only the army involved at the front is at least 850,000. Well, I think this is the way I was taught in my native LVVPU. >With the current conscription, we will have about half of this number under arms. So consider how many more reservists we need. >A little bit, with the next wave of mobilization, those who will now go into reserve will be able to help us. This is approximately 80,000 - 90,000 who served in the SuhVo or are fit for service in them. And the rest, my friends, it will be you and me. So my good advice. While there is time, prepare your "alarm" backpack. Warm underwear, protective equipment, first aid kits and other military "shnyaga". I think so! fucking hell, I hate reformatting posts from telegram
>>41876 Thanks serbro, you truly are doing Allah's work on keeping us on tabs in the mobilization effort. Most of what i've heard of the mobilization is that the whole training system is sorely lacking in experienced troops right now as the combat units are in Kherson and that logistics have been lacking at equipping the new meat with guns.
>>41876 How efficient is this effort going to be in the coming winter, though? They don't have the mild Mediterranean climate of Serbia.
>>41879 On the other hand, they can try to use this winter to just defend and build up their forces.
>>41879 Wouldn't it give Russia an advantage, frozen ground to hold tanks and armored vehicles and make it hard for defenders to dig in >>41880 Maybe, but i feel like Russia needs to gets something done soon or else their image will continue to suffer even more, it will be pretty pathetic if the last thing of note this year was Ukraine advancing on territory that is legally Russian from Russia's POV
>Chechen Leader Kadyrov Says Sending Teenage Sons to Ukraine War https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/03/chechen-leader-kadyrov-says-sending-teenage-sons-to-ukraine-war-a78958 >Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said Monday he would send his teenage sons, including his 14-year-old son Adam, to fight in Ukraine. “It's time to prove themselves in a real fight and I only welcome this desire,” Kadyrov, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin and vocal backer of the war, said in a post on the Telegram messaging app. "They will soon go to the frontline and will be on the most difficult sections of the contact line," he said, adding that his statement was addressed to “vain talkers who claimed my loved ones weren't taking part in the special military operation.” He said Akhmat (16), Eli (15) and Adam (14) have been trained for combat "almost from their youngest years" and insisted he was "not joking." Kadyrov's announcement comes days after he suggested that Russia should consider using low-yield nuclear weapons in Ukraine after Russian forces withdrew from the strategically important city of Lyman in the occupied Donetsk region. >"In my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and use of low-yield nuclear weapons," Kadyrov said. The Kremlin dismissed the call Monday as “an emotional moment.” "In our country, the use of nuclear weapons happens only on the basis of what is stated in the relevant doctrine," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters. Kadyrov has been a vocal champion of the war in Ukraine, with Chechen fighters forming part of the forefront of the Russian forces. Last month, Kadyrov said that Chechnya had deployed 20,000 troops to the front since the start of the Ukraine invasion in February and “over-fulfilled its conscription plan by 254%… even before the announcement of the partial mobilization.”
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>>41877 >Most of what i've heard of the mobilization is that the whole training system is sorely lacking in experienced troops right now as the combat units are in Kherson From what I've gathered they managed to relatively quickly ammend that particular problem, as they pulled substantial amounts of Chechen war veterans in their 40-50 to help with the basic training, and specialist training is also taking place by younger specialist familiar with more modern systems . That being said, there are major problems with the actual facilitation of accommodation, some troops are put in requisitioned motels, while other are put in cold, abandoned warehouses with no running water or electricity. You can clearly see they didn't expect to have to mobilize, there are some major kinks to work out in the process of getting your average man to actual battlefield in fighting condition. And I honestly don't see that happening within next few months as inertia is a helluva thing. >and that logistics have been lacking at equipping the new meat with guns. Half true. While they certainly have enough arms and ammo to go around, they lack in body armor, acceptable first aid kits and other things such as thermal socks, etc. I won't even get started on more advanced equipment such as thermals and copters. Also, it dosent help that some actual combat ready and motivated units received older generation AK-74 while freshly arrived greenhorn received brand new AK-12 still in cosmoline. I'm gonna chalk that one to logistical incompetence or paperwork fuck up. Though, given the lackluster design of AK-12,its not that big of a deal >>41879 >How efficient is this effort going to be in the coming winter, though? Unknown. While it is possible to actually get 300K men to the front by December, the state of said men and the supply chains is whole another issue. You could of course just dump another army group on the front, but without actually preparing them for combat, you're gonna sustain unnecessary casualties. Still, stopping Ukrainian advance and stabilizing the whole TO is of a paramount issue to the Russians,so sacrafices will have to be made. >They don't have the mild Mediterranean climate of Serbia. We have more of a continental climate, winter here can be a bitch, though we haven't had a proper winter in years here. >>41881 >Wouldn't it give Russia an advantage, frozen ground to hold tanks and armored vehicles and make it hard for defenders to dig in This. Most people don't realize how fucking difficult is to dig frozen ground, let alone the whole foxhole-trench-foxhole set up. As soon as it hits a decent minus, you'd be having more luck to ask your local tanker to rotate his tank few times and dig a makeshift 'foxhole' cuz your small entrenching tool is sure as shit not gonna cut it.
>>41881 >Wouldn't it give Russia an advantage, frozen ground to hold tanks and armored vehicles and make it hard for defenders to dig in But who will be the one playing defense in December? The lines are currently fluid with momentum on the hohol side. That'll inevitably stall out at some point but the positioning of when and where that happens will be critical no?
>>41887 >Though, given the lackluster design of AK-12,its not that big of a deal So that really is just an AK with rails?
>>41890 Ukraine doesn't have infinite resources, they've been on the offensive for a month, you think they can keep it up during winter? i extremely doubt it, while on the other hand the Russians are the ones openly building up their forces.
>>41892 Obviously not. However they have multiple options available to them that the Russians would have to respond to correspondingly. They could take the risk and outrun their supply lines in pursuit of a decisive action that leaves them vulnerable to a counterattack, they could dig in now and reinforce their defensive lines with whatever is remaining of NATO / US lend-lease, or pursuit a mixture of both. Would the Russian forces be ready for an offensive in winter, or will they delay one until the spring (and we see a rerun of the war from earlier this year)?
>>41893 I don't see the Ukrainians in any decisive position whatsoever, we're not speaking of them encircling Donestk or Luhansk or pushing the Russians off the northern side of the Dnieper in Kherson, the Ukrainian advances have been costly, small except for Kharkiv and for more or less meaningless ground, unless the Russian front completely collapses and routs the Russians can keep the defense up retreating when necessary until they're ready to counter attack. I think they should stop any offensive action and wait for the Russians to attack then apply a defense in depth strategy with all their nice NATO toys just digging in means getting destroyed by Russian artillery, but right now the Ukranians seem completely focused on PR victories, taking meaningless towns that then their propaganda spins as huge important objectives. I don't know if Russia would be ready to attack in winter, but it would really surprise me if they didn't, i don't expect the war to be over before Christmas, but i expect Nikolaev to be under siege or Kharkiv again.
>>41891 >So that really is just an AK with rails? Eh, kinda... I mean, it's an OK rifle, but just OK is not good enough for your future rifle if you're gonna purchase another batch of few hundred thousands if not millions of rifles that are carbon copy of your current service rifle. It basically brought nothing new to the table. It did slightly improve ergonomics, accuracy and added rails, but they fucked up free floating barrel configuration, and due to the position of rails, any red dot or sight won't hold zero after some use. There has been some slight changes to gas system or bolt carrier iirc but I didn't read too much into it. Also, there's a major issue with the sector/safety lever. If they literally put an AR type charging handle on AK74 and called it a day, it would have been so much better. Like we did with M19 At that point, why even bother designing and manufacturing new rifle that basically is the same as a previous one?
>>41894 >the Russians can keep the defense up retreating Didn't Putin sign a no retreat decree in tandem with the annexation?
>>41898 I heard of that but i think it's more of a no deserters thing, i mean they just retreated from Lyman yesterday
>>41896 >Also, there's a major issue with the sector/safety lever. If they literally put an AR type charging handle on AK74 and called it a day, it would have been so much better. Like we did with M19 My great idea would have been to integrate the charging handle to the gas tube, but this makes even more sense. I can see how something like this system could work for them, especially if it is designed so that the AK-74 can be upgraded to this configuration without touching the receiver and the internals (except for chopping off the original charging handle, obviously). And the basic Russian problem seems to me that their small arms work just fine, especially because they have the PKM to do the heavy lifting, so there isn't too much point in trying to incrementally upgrade them, and replacing them with revolutionary new technologies would be wasteful and risky. So instead they are trying to reinvent the well by making some ultimate AK, even though they could just licence something like the M19 and call it a day.
Pretty decent analysis on Russia's problems: https://youtu.be/AcgzB9hqxqo
>>41900 >especially if it is designed so that the AK-74 can be upgraded to this configuration without touching the receiver and the internals (except for chopping off the original charging handle, obviously). You would have to re design the upper, an there would be need to modify internals, don't know to what extent though. They should have just kept AK74 and saved themself millions at that point, like you said, it worked before, if it ain't broke don't touch it. >PKM to do the heavy lifting PKM is god tier GPMG. I'm willing to die on this hill. >replacing them with revolutionary new technologies would be wasteful and risky. There nothing wrong with trying to push the envelope with tech, as long as it's within reason. SIG Spear, while having a promising hybrid round performance, it cost 4 FUCKING DOLLARS per single cartridge. Fuck that. Of course, the cost will go down as production ramps up but... Fuck that.
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>>41882 He's not wrong but this is the mental image he's giving right now. >>41887 >You can clearly see they didn't expect to have to mobilize Christ, this is getting worse and worse by the day Also, wouldn't drone warfare bypass the cold (not bad weather per se, but they could still suicide bomb without being hindered by terrain)?
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>>41907 >You would have to re design the upper, Calling that cover an upper is a strong euphemism in my opinion. After all, the weapon works just fine without it, and it's just a bent piece of metal. I'm too lazy to look up the M19, but I imagine that the rail is one continuos piece, and the bolt comes out in the back for disassembly. Admittedly, that requires additional modifications, and maybe at that point you might as well redesign the rifle from the ground up and manufacture it anew instead of modifying existing ones.
>>41908 >Also, wouldn't drone warfare bypass the cold (not bad weather per se, but they could still suicide bomb without being hindered by terrain)? Somewhat yes, provided you have enough of them. Which you never have. Drones are pretty much consumables in high intensity battlefield. Either way, drones are expensive, men are cheap. >>41910 >Calling that cover an upper is a strong euphemism in my opinion. After all, the weapon works just fine without it, and it's just a bent piece of metal True, its actually a dust cover. >but I imagine that the rail is one continuos piece Funny enough, I don't know a lot about M19. It's new design but going in the way I traditional sense, it should be. No reason for something telescopic.
>>41891 9hole review on jewtube goes over the problems in detail, it's pretty much what >>41896 said. He also mentions that there are workable rail systems commercially available and shows a few images of Chechens using them. They might even the brand that he shills for. One thing the stuck out to me in the beginning but I later forgot about was all those new AKs with rails but no optics to be seen, aside from special forces. I might be wrong but I think even those paratroopers were running them slick. I guess it got drowned out by the drama of the rotten tire blitzkrieg but it seems like an omen of even deeper supply issues now.
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>>41887 >The Russians are having troubles with mobilizing. Jesus Christ. That makes feel like the jokes about Russia being stuck in the 1970's Soviet Union are true, but they're just coming from the wrong angle. It's like Russia has no contingency plan after failing to rush Kiev and is mostly making shit up all along the way.
>>41890 >momentum on the hohol side. That'll inevitably stall out at some point >>41892 >Ukraine doesn't have infinite resources, they've been on the offensive for a month, you think they can keep it up during winter? Any analysis on how much gas UAF has left in the tank? >>41894 >apply a defense in depth strategy with all their nice NATO toys What did NATO send them recently? I recall reading about new M777s and 300km HIMARS rockets arriving but sounded more like PR fuel than any game changers considering the previous volumes of Russian artillery shells hohols were receiving. Gonna suck even more when the temperatures drop. >>41894 >right now the Ukranians seem completely focused on PR victories, taking meaningless towns that then their propaganda spins as huge important objectives. This has been their MO since the start, then again it's just 'take what you can get'. >>41928 >It's like Russia has no contingency plan after failing to rush Kiev and is mostly making shit up all along the way.
>>41930 >Any analysis on how much gas UAF has left in the tank? Very hard to tell, but their advance has been slowing down and they seem to be running out of tanks, armored vehicles and those western trained men, but those are just impressions any reliable numbers are hard if not impossible to get. It is telling how desperate they've become, see their failure to get into NATO again in asking for gibs while the west is saying it can't provide anymore of the heavy stuff. >What did NATO send them recently? Not much, but they'd do better to save it up to ambush advancing Russian columns than let it be destroyed taking some miles of meaningless farmland, take with with a grain of armchair generalship salt though. >This has been their MO since the start, then again it's just 'take what you can get'. True, but i expected they'd change their strategy after the news of the mobilization, it's understandable to try to disrupt the referendums which they failed to do but after that they really should be preparing a defense, not keep throwing men at Kherson or Lyman. Thing is those PR victories could translate in actual material and diplomatic support, so taking Lyman might be militarily pretty pointless, but it's another liberated town that shows that Ukraine is still in the fight and worth supporting. We'll see if it pays off or if all it did was exhaust the Ukrainian army right before the Russian one re-starts offensive operations.
>>41933 I forgot about the issues with European economies, Europe is going to hell in a hand basket, i doubt there will be a lot of actual support for Ukraine then, even if the will is there. That's definitely part of Moscow's calculations. It's interesting how much of this war is being "fought" outside the battlefields.
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>Avoiding the emerging encirclement, the RF Armed Forces withdrew along the entire front of the Ingulets River to the east of the previously captured enemy bridgehead on the indicated river. >The key n.p. Davydov Brod (for which fierce battles were fought for two months) and a number of large villages in its vicinity. The withdrawal continues. Apparently, the goal of the command of our group is to reduce the front line, at least to the state of creating a continuous (and not focal) front line covering Berislav and the Novo-Kakhovskaya dam.
>>41935 An embarrassing but ultimately smart move. Gotta admit all these "smart moves" are making me doubt in Russia's capabilities more and more.
>>41937 It's gonna get a lot worse before it gets any better. Best thing Russians can do is to form a continuous line of defense at Kherson, and they still won't have enough men to form mobile rezerves or defense in depth. They just have to hold on for a month or so until rezerves are committed. As for the front past Liman, best they can do is clinch their buttcheeks and hold for said month. After that, they need one really successful counter offensive to show their home front some progress.
Mercouris touched up on the Russian defensive and put it in perspective. Apparently the volunteers mostly had their contracts expire in July/August and while many renewed for a second term, obviously many wanted to go home too. This is partially why Russia is losing territory since Russia is used to working with conscripts and not volunteer soldiers over longer wars. All the volunteers are quitting or rotating to the back to train new troops which is why Russia needed to mobilize.
>>41940 >>41939 So in a way this is simply the point where Russia is weakest and Ukraine the strongest but the likelihood is that Russia will bounce back, Ukraine is trying to get in the best position possible while they have a decent advantage, but as i said previously, i don't see them close to taking any decisive objectives. We'll see how it goes.
>>41941 Most probable is that Ukraine is trying to fuck over the Russian mobilization effort. If Ukraine can keep the pressure on the Russian lines high enough, then before long the Russians will either break catastrophically or be forced to commit mobilized troops. The Issue is that basically all the mob troops need to be further trained to be of any use for at least a month, maybe more, considering they are drafting random 40 year olds completely unfit for war in many cases. If Russia is forced to commit not entirely trained or untrained reserves then that will make casualties on the Russian side shoot up heavily. This in turn will be a huge blow to Russian morale and many who are drafted will attempt to flee or weasel out of going into such a combat zone. This once again makes it hard to reinforce the front so if it goes perfectly even more untrained reserves have to go in causing a feedback loop which could cripple the Mobilization unless it is expanded heavily but at that point you might be looking at casualty numbers so high that actual civil unrest isn't unlikely
>>41943 Good points, but if that's the case then it's a pretty risky strategy, it reminds one of Verdun, which did bleed the French army significantly, but it was about just as bad for the Germans. Does it make sense for the Ukrainians to bleed themselves in order to bleed the Russians?
>>41944 Remember that Ukraine is an extension of NATO in all but name and the worse losses NATO can inflict on Russia without its direct engagement, the better.
>>41939 How are the regulars doing? Didn't they move their reserves to the south in response to the aborted Kherson offensive during the summer? Or have their contracts expired as >>41940 mentioned?
>>41944 >Does it make sense for the Ukrainians to bleed themselves in order to bleed the Russians? Well ,does it make sense for Zelenski?
>>41944 >Does it make sense? If you work from the framework that you are doomed and/or that NATO will eventually intervene then bleeding troops seems like the only sane option. Especially when the UK and US are threatening to take away your toys if you don't continue the war the way they want.
>>41945 Absolutely, but NATO has been running out of stuff to send to Ukraine and modern war, offensives at that, are not sustainable with infantry alone >>41947 Yes, but he's not the emperor of Ukraine >>41948 True, but the only way in which i can see a real NATO intervention is if there's a false-flag nuke going off somewhere in Ukraine I'm starting to think the Russians will find a way to fuck it up, but as long as they hold for the next few weeks they should have it in the bag
>>41941 These PR victories might just be a way to demoralize conscripts. I'm guessing offensive wars are a much harder sell to non-military inclined youths if you're losing so much ground. Though it's hard to imagine that Ukraine can keep this up for much longer, especially with winter so close to them and so many river crossings before any substantial target is in reach. My bet is that if by some miracle they manage to reach the outskirts of any of these so-called breakaway republic it's gonna be the nail in the coffin for the SMO. I'm also pondering on what's going to happen to both countries post war. It's obvious that regardless of Ukraine's status, they went into a war economy practically the day that Kiev was under siege and then said economy completely evaporated in the span of a few weeks. The way they're being kept alive reminds me of what happened in Greece, the moment funding stops getting in it'll become an ungovernable mess which is why I'm still holding onto the belief that Odessa will be "liberated" by any interest group just to keep it from being sucked dry by Kiev. At any rate, for people who're more knowledgeable of the in and outs of Russian society, how come we still haven't seen a showy terrorist attack on the part of some Ukranian nationalist group? I mean, logically it'd make sense, you don't want the enemy to have a moral justification for leveling up your entire nation, but the way Zelly is galvanizing people I would have expected some spraying'n'praying. Then again, according to some Russian mates there's like twenty parallel worlds going on in their cities depending on how far you are from the front. >>41944 Verdun was immensely costlier for the French though. Post WWI their entire industry was in shambles because the war had mostly been fought on their soil or places where they had a ton of investments. The Treaty of Versailles was particularly harsh on the Germans because the French were as butthurt as broke while the German industry (not the economy though) was rather unscathed. >>41949 >Yes, but he's not the emperor of Ukraine Isn't he though? I mean, I fully expected the politicians and governors cough not entirely directed by three letter agencies cough to have handed him over at Kiev's siege or when a quarter of their country was officially Russian land. Instead he's been purging and purging like crazy with impunity.
>>41946 >How are the regulars doing? Didn't they move their reserves to the south in response to the aborted Kherson offensive during the summer? Or have their contracts expired Not a lot of info on that. They keep men in rotation and so far have only send very few fresh men to reinforce the Kherson front, going by the reports there are roughly 15-20 men holding a kilometer of line in Kherson. Although some units haven't been rotated in months. Fatigue has definitely settled in with Russian forces. Army Group Center has dispatched substantial amount of its forces and merged them to Army Group West and Army Group South so Army Group Center 'O' has been basically disbanded, save for a few small elite raiding detachments, even though 'O' performance was by far the best. Which is why Balakleya front collapsed,as it was no longer held by 'O' but mostly by absurdly stretched out units of DNR/LNR. All of that being said, I expect another month or two of bad news for the Russians, but once fresh men are brought in, I expect things to again swing in the favour of the Russians, as then Ukrainians will be the ones that are fatigued. The key thing is to hold UAF as far away from Kherson and Nova Khakovka, as well as to minimize ground lost around Liman untill they're regrouped and reorganized. Ultimately, the winner will be decided by who's will is greater.
>>41953 Yeah, but Russian propaganda has been all about how it's not really an offensive war and i'm sure enough people will buy it to keep Russia going for at least another while. I think Russia will eventually win, but definitely at a cost they didn't expect to pay, they will probably have a small and brief renaissance of sorts until they collapse under their own weight and problems, as for Ukraine i have no idea, though i definitely see something like that happening, Kiev wont be able to control whatever is left of Ukraine and a lot of "peacekeepers" will be called in. >Verdun was immensely costlier for the French though. Not sure about that, Verdun held and the amount of soldiers Germany lost was not worth the damage they did to the French, especially considering the French weren't fighting alone in the western front. It was still a failure that costed the Germans a lot, post-war is not really important since at that point they had already lost. >Isn't he though? I mean sure he has a ton of power in Ukraine, but Ukrainians are not going to banzai charge with pointy sticks in his name
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>Today, the latest weapons of the Russian Federation were used for the first time. Glows were in Belgorod and Moscow >Peresvet is a complex of Russian laser weapons. Refers to the types of weapons based on new physical principles. >The complex can “dazzle all satellite reconnaissance systems of a potential enemy in orbits up to 1.5 thousand kilometers. >Same sightings are reported at Moscow, Murmansk, Omsk, Belgorod
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>>41956 >>41957 My first reaction was holy shit, but then it just looks like a very strong reflector.
>>41959 Huh, yeah, kinda strange everybody on Telegram was suddenly reporting about it. Most likely it's just light pillars. A natural phenomenon. Pretty though. Caught me off guard, was hoping to see some new toys in action.
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>>41960 Is this the Russian response to the stolen Orb?
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>>41953 I don't see Russia giving up until there is regime change in Ukraine or if Ukraine actually manages to push them back to pre-war borders. A post war Ukraine without the regions Russia has right now is extremely crippled, not to mention will become a another NATO member right on its border. Obviously, Ukraine isn't just going to let itself fall into a position it can never recover from without a fight. One or the other will get screwed over by the end of the war. I am more interested in if NATO/US would learn from their mistakes in either scenario. Training and production of NATO's weapons needs a major overall, and I don't think that will happen even with a Russian victory. >>41956 >>41957 IS THAT AN EVA REFERENCE!?!?
>>41961 How much will Sidorovich cash out for the Orb of Kiev? And what are its stats?
>>41949 >Yes, but he's not the emperor of Ukraine So who is giving the orders?
>>41965 Da West
>>41953 >I'm guessing offensive wars are a much harder sell to non-military inclined youths if you're losing so much ground Russia is more shit at the propaganda war because by and large the Russian diaspora keeps to the Russian part of the internet and/or cable television/radio. Similarly the Russian "youths" by and large have no clue what is going on in Ukraine other than a war and the understanding that war is hell. >How come we still haven't seen a showy terrorist attack on the part of some Ukranian nationalist group? There have been and they've been in the Western news. By and large the police in Russia are trained to localize it and cover that shit up fast. In one case a car bomb went off in Moscow near the start of the war, and they had police cars partially hiding the wreckage within two minutes with commandeered snow plows completely hiding the explosive wreckage within 10 minutes/media being shooed away. The terrorist attacks that do get reported are usually in some far off region so it's not considered a "central" threat to European/Caucus Russia where the cities are. ISIS terrorist attacks were pretty common in Southern Russia/Chechnya up until Trump got rid of 'em as well. >Instead he's been purging and purging like crazy with impunity. Rumor has it that Zelensky's power/clout in Ukrainian politics finally exceeded Zaluzhny's. Zaluzhny was selected as head of the army by Zelensky's decree, however in practical terms the army would not listen to Zelensky if Zaluzhny refused an order. There's some suggestions that Zelensky finally has Zaluzhny cornered (perhaps oligarchs backing Zaluzhny got killed/shitcanned?) since Zaluzhny became incredibly quiet after Zelensky refused to follow his suggestion to not start an offensive or his alternate suggestions to place all the forces in Izium in favor of NATO suggestions to attack with all at once. Obviously that's all rumor but Zaluzhny has been quietly following along since the start of this counteroffensive not even raising his normal level of concerns, and the Western media recently seems to have taken an interest in him over Zelensky after realizing Zelensky isn't liked by normalfags. >>41949 >but he's not the emperor of Ukraine Have you looked at the powers invested in the President of Ukraine before this war broke out and gave him wartime powers? He isn't "emperor" in the sense that the Kieven warlords in the South and East brazenly and openly commit atrocities at their leisure, however his word is law.
Another point to keep in mind is that fall in Ukraine = heavy rain and mud everywhere all the time. It's already impacting both the Ukrainians and Izium (can't transport armor which is what is driving the offensives) and the Russians in Kherson (can't call in aerial bomber squads to deal with Ukrainian infantry), and it's expected to get a whole lot worse.
>>41956 Well that explains why Musk agreed to buy Twatter since his spy satellites for the military are about to get fucked.
>>41959 Kinda. It just slams the desired area with shit tons of radiation (thermal/light) which completely fucks over unmanned vehicles (drones/UAVs). They just have the added bonus of blinding satellites that are trying to spy on that location for one reason or another. They aren't particularly useful in Ukraine since they need a modest facility/power supply, but they are useful for hiding military bases, camps, or facilities that you don't want seen. Given how lasers work I imagine over a long enough period of time they could permanently "blind" a geosynchronous satellite (or at least fuck up its AI algorithms through mild damage) by shining a giant oversized laser pointer at the camera lens enough times.
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>>41958 I partially remember an ominous quote from an old /pol/ chatbot called Guacman, it was something about "cities rising on pillars of light". At least our current year dystopia looks a little more futuristic now. >>41962 This war is like watching an old episode of Junkyard Wars. It often came down to which cobbled together machine fell apart first rather than which one completed the challenge.
>>41962 Speaking as a weapons manufacturer, the military industrial complex has not expanded our operations at all despite the expectation that they should have at least started inquiries eight months ago if not a year ago. That's just hearsay but to me it suggests a sloppy war with nobody directing it making it hard for the establishment to profit off of it.
>>41954 >Ultimately, the winner will be decided by who's will is greater. As always. While Kharkiv region is a significant gain for the ukrops, I think Russia still has this under control, and will start expanding again in the winter. They just need to keep this under control and not let momentum shift too much. >>41972 >I don't wanna talk to a scientist >ya'll motherfuckas lying, and gettin me pissed ICP truly are the prophets of our times. They were the first to call out The Science.
>>41980 >ICP truly are the prophets of our times Clown prophets for clown world, not that surprising but still funny.
>>41961 Is that the Loc-Nar? >>41956 >>41957 >>41958 >Putin triggers the Third Impact
>>41933 >i expected they'd change their strategy after the news of the mobilization >they really should be preparing a defense, not keep throwing men at Kherson or Lyman. I suspect they keep going due to internal pressure, an order from the top to stop the advance while UAF has natural momentum and not all territory has been un-liberated is going to tank morale, hohol and friends realize they're going to end up on the bad end of the artillery grind again. There's probably going to be backlash from rank and file and accusations of sabotage/treason against the leadership. >>41944 >Does it make sense for the Ukrainians to bleed themselves in order to bleed the Russians? The question is who is bleeding harder? After the initial Balakleya shitshow Russia's withdrawals seem relatively controlled, for such a thing anyway, and hohols aren't parading PoWs so I'm inferring it's not costing RuAF much in terms of manpower. Also that Liman cauldron was looking dicey as fuck but seems like a clean exit overall. >>41971 >what is going on in Ukraine other than a war and the understanding that war is hell. >>41976 >a sloppy war no no, a specially sloppy military counter-operation no homo
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>>41980 >They were the first to call out The Science. Until the bitch comes crawling back