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China: Eminence or fall 02/01/2022 (Tue) 03:20:05 No.22101
Will China persist much longer as a leading power? Why or why not?
Julius Evola on the fetishization of the East: >"Among those who have recognized the crisis of the modern world [...] some have turned their eyes to the East. They see there, to a certain degree, a traditional and spiritual orientation to life that has long ceased to exist in the West as the basis for the effective organization of the various realms of existence. They have even wondered whether the East might furnish useful reference points for a revival and reintegration of the West... >"It is important to have a clear view of the domain to which such a proposition might apply. If it is simply a matter of doctrines and “intellectual” contacts, the attempt is legitimate. But one should take note that valid examples and points of reference are to be found, at least partially, in our own traditional past, without having to turn to non-European civilizations... >"If one is more concerned with real influences that have a powerful effect οn existence, one should have nο illusions about them. The East itself is now following in our footsteps, ever more subject to the ideas and influences that have led us to the point at which we find ourselves, “modernizing” itself and adopting our own secular and materialistic forms of life. What is still left of Eastern traditions and character is steadily losing ground and becoming marginalized... >"[The process of decline] is still in an early phase there. For such civilizations it is only a matter of time before they find themselves at the same point as ourselves, knowing the same problems and the same phenomena of dissolution under the sign of “progress” and modernity. The tempo may even be much faster in the East. We have the example of China, which in two decades has traveled the whole way from an imperial, traditional civilization to a materialistic and atheist communist regime-a journey that the Europeans took centuries to accomplish... >"The “myth of the East” is therefore a fallacy. “The desert encroaches”: there is nο other civilization that can serve as support; we have to face our problems alone." All in all, I think that while the state of West is such where the condition of decline has been so far manifested (and there is no signs of abating the West's "heaping up it's own funnel pyre") to the point where the resulting vacuum might make the 21st century known as the Chinse century, I do not believe chinse dominion would persist to the end of the 22nd century.
>>22103 Falling TFR, looming economic crises, and an ageing population probably won't help China anytime soon.
>>22101 Shina is not a leading power
Here's what I've analyzed. Take it for what you will, for I am a simple anon who listens to sources with different biases, some pro-Chinese others anti-Chinese. Let's just get it out of the way and say that China is about to experience the kind of recession that Japan experienced in the late 80s/early 90s, except it's 100x worse because all the assets are pooled into a handful of games instead of spread out over a slough of capitalist ventures and we're talking in the ballpark of 30% of the world GDP collapsing overnight when the great spreadsheet balancing happens over the next few years. You know how a big ship or large building initially hits the ground and then it takes a long time for the rest of the structure to come tumbling down with it? That's where we are at with China right now. China's Shit's Fucked List: >High-speed rail is unprofitable (in the realm of trillions of dollars) It will have to be bought out by the government leading to more taxes on the working Chinaman or inflation. That or they will have to be pragmatic, lose face, stop issuing demands for high-speed rail to the Western provinces, and let it collapse if it can't be retrofitted into regular cargo rail that doubles as low-speed passenger rail. They can privatize airspace to counterbalance low-speed rail if it's absolutely necessary to get politicians in and out of the West quickly. It is necessary for the CCP because otherwise Western provinces where a significant source of literal slave labor and military personnel reside will become rogue states in everything but name similar to Chechnya to the Russians. Privatizing airspace is something I'm not sure the CCP is willing to do so we'll see. >Infrastructure Not all Chinese infrastructure is collapsing asbestos buildings (see housing below for more details). The important shit was built fairly robust by Western Engineering standards, but the fact remains that even if you build robust, cheap materials are cheap materials and maintenance is necessary. A significant chunk of China's wealth is tied up in floodplain regions. Dams and bridges are becoming hazards that could cost billions if not trillions of dollars in economic damages between loss of life and property damage. These need to be maintained and the CCP does not have the money to do it so long as they continue to play nice with SWIFT over in Europe because they need to pull a Reichsmark for initial fixes followed by austerity to get their shit together and avoid hyperinflation. There are no companies stupid enough to buy infrastructure in a collapsing economy so I can't even say privatizing industry is an option here. I don't know what China is going to so but they need to completely rethink their current approach. They could try contractually bailing out these large construction megacorps by telling them that in exchange for fixing infrastructure they will wipe out their debts owed, and that might just work, but it would piss off a LOT of people who's assets are tied up in all of this.
>>22108 >Housing As I was saying above, concrete asbestos buildings. The housing market in China works like this. You can't own stocks as an average bugman. You can't own most forms of material wealth that gains value with age nor conceptual wealth like stocks and dividends in China. If your bank account numbers get too big you get questioned. This means that if you want to save money in China, the only way to really do it is to buy property. Property is the only thing in China the average peasant can pull out a loan for and see a net return on investment. You need money if you want to get laid in China and can't find a nice rural village girl (you can't) because of the male:female ratio (105 males to 100 females; see "men" below) which is fucked. Since men need wealth to court women and wealth can only be stored in the form of property, this lead to entire cities of abestos apartments being built because nobody was living in them; these asbestos apartment blocks that go on for miles and miles are literally just a physical rubber stamp on storing wealth so that the CCP doesn't bust your door down for engaging in the market and are not meant to be lived in. This is fine so long as the value of housing keeps going up. tl;dr- Companies took out unimaginably massive amounts of debt following the meme of infinite economic growth because Chinese work on the principle that there is always an even bigger sucker out there even when you know the ship is collapsing and you need to flee like rats. The CCP did something sane but suicidal and passed the three red lines law (something that should have been passed a decade ago) telling these construction megacorps that they can't build any more houses unless they can show that they can pay the principle balance on the debts they owe right now. This caused the entire house of cards to start collapsing back in September because said megacorps were forced to sell off their assets. So you have citizens who owe debt who bought houses built on debt all trying to SELL SELL SELL so they don't end up as the guy at the bottom of the shit pile and on the CCP's shit list. The best analogy I've found is "imagine you own bitcoin and the price not only drops to zero, but you now owe $3000 for every $1 you invested because you took out loans to buy it." This is why China is trying to crack down on crypto since many Chinese are fleeing with their wealth in crypto since it's better to appear poor and break the law than to owe sums of money that couldn't be paid off if the next ten generations worked to pay it off with no interest attached to the principal balances. >Men I covered the gist of it above, but there is an uneven ratio of men to women in China. A healthy nation usually has a minor male deficit (about 101-103 women for every 100 men) in order to keep sexual competition under control and make sure everybody keeps happily having babies at a sustainable rate. Men naturally die off from dangerous jobs, not taking care of their health, and war, so this is usually not an issue. You want to maintain that mild male deficit but you want to keep it mild so that you don't get Slavic chauvinism culture popping up either since it's self-destructive to society and leads to ills like alcoholism and mass unemployment (about 105 women for every 100 men). Intense competition drives men out of the sexual market. Men with no children and wives are men who have nothing to lose and so you get spikes in crime, unemployment, and fringe ideologies when that happens (for better or for worse) as stop-gap measures to correct the difference. This is a recipe for disaster regardless of your opinions on those fringe ideologies. China needs a major war to skew this ratio back in the opposite direction, but they can't have a major war because of their one child policy which makes it so that angry parents will be starting the civil wars if China gets their sole heirs killed.
>>22109 >Sole Heirs and an Aging Population I don't need to discuss the issue of sole heirs since it appears often enough in history that anon should understand why the concept of putting all your eggs in one basket is a really bad idea. The more important issue is that China bought into the unlimited growth meme while also buying into the one-child policy, and the end result is that the already intense pressure on children in Asian societies got magnified to the point where cheating culture naturally developed as a way to get around that. This means you have a generation of largely self-entitled brats who don't know anything about their professions sitting in positions of power controlling what is an aging population living longer than ever before and raising the average age in China to 38 years old (compared to about 29-33 which is considered healthy). If China has a war it will likely jump to Japanese levels of about 48 years old. The difference is that Japan grew up with a recession and people know to store their own wealth in Japan while in China they are still in the "boomer" stage where you have mass promises of social welfare (especially community pensions and the like) and people have (on paper) general trust in the government to take care of them in old age (because they have been banned from investing in everything except housing, see above). This is a recipe for disaster but won't matter for either another 10-20 years or when China kicks off a war and millions of young sole-heir Chinks die. >Energy China has an energy crisis. Let's be honest. China has an energy crisis. In order to save face China stopped importing fossil fuels from Australia after Australia bitched about COVID and about China not buying sheep wool from them for textiles (Australia told them to buy more sheep wool to stabilize the wool economy or to stop buying coal from them). That was a hit to factories in China but it was still manageable despite the energy crisis it created. Last month Indonesia announced that they couldn't sell any more fossil fuels to China because they didn't have enough themselves due to COVID fucking up their entire fossil fuel market. This is why China is pushing so heavy for the Junta in Myanmar since Myanmar is an oil-producing country and this is why America will not step into Myanmar politics to prevent them from extracting oil. This is also why China and Bill Gates are investing so heavily into biofuels right now. China can't get fuel from Myanmar so long as imported democracy rebels are fighting the Junta, can't get fuel from Australia without losing face, can't get fuel from Indonesia because Indonesia has a fuel crisis, and that basically leaves Afghanistan or Russia. Afghanistan lacks the infrastructure to transport fuel to China (but boy are the Chinese investing at breakneck speeds to fix that), and Russia doesn't like the Chinese since they want to take Siberia from them. It will be interesting to see whether Russia sells fuel to China in order to stave off European sanctions, or denies fuel to China in order to benefit themselves by fucking up Chinese industry with no survivors. China's energy situation lies almost completely in American and Russian hands right now. Yes they produce domestically, but they have their industrial base and manufacturing base infrastructure in different parts of the country from where fuel is extracted (due to strip mining and central planning) and wet coal just doesn't transfer well from the Northern provinces down to the southern provinces without several-billion-dollar infrastructure ventures that the CCP is too hesitant to make since they think this is a temporary crisis and not a long-term issue, and those investments cost money over time between initial setup and maintenance. They're looking at liquid coal as a solution for longer-term storage of fuel, but liquid coal is expensive even if it can meet your demands. Ask Hitler about that.
>>22111 >Refusal to modernize with a modernizing population This may seem counter-intuitive since the average Strelok would agree with me that the West and its culture is becoming (or has become) cancer, but the fact reminds that China is able to be large because other countries buy into their sino-centric image they have portrayed since the early 2000s. Now that China is showing a moment of weakness with all of the above shit, Western culture is once again being imported into China whether they like it or not. Businessmen brought it back with them, tourists exacerbated it, and the fact of the matter is that people just don't like dealing with bullies. More and more countries are reconsidering their relations with China and are telling them they have to make X or Y changes to culture or business if they want to continue to do business abroad. Africa and Southern Asia where China gets its raw resources have realized China just wants to stripmine them to save resources at home and have started to rebel against Chinese corporate rulers entirely. Countries still working with them are demanding ending slave labor and the like. Amazon and Wal-Mart's cheap Chink plastic is no longer cheap and the quality is worse than ever leading to more and more people boycotting them unless they stop dealing in Chinese apologist behavior leading to companies being more hesitant about investing into China, especially when the pandemic showed that having all your eggs in one basket was a bad idea and the Chinese don't allow you to extract your wealth right away (you can only pull out so-and-so amount per day or per year as a foreign business in China) while their economy is collapsing all around them. The economic issues will cause civil unrest, but the culture war and refusal to modernize to globohomo value sets is what could ultimately change civil rest into civil war. Consider that the two major rebellions that destroyed the Qing Empire were both imported cultures. All of that is to say that China is in for very rough times even if they manage to pull through (unlikely, I almost want to use the word impossible because of bugman mentality but you never know). I don't know enough about the Chinese socio-political landscape to tell you what is going to happen, who is going to do it, or why it will happen, but the factors point to China entering their equivalency of Japan's 90s recession. The difference being the Japanese were brainwashed into being less war-like due to good economic times and the Japanese having their assets divested into several ventures allowing them to hold on even if wealth never returned to normal pre-recession levels and overall having a mindset of saving your own money for retirement to prevent civil unrest, while China has stoked war-like nationalist rhetoric, 100x the level of debt, everyone has their eggs in the same baskets, and the state promises a good life for their elderly leading to significantly less personal investment into retirement. It's a powder keg.
There are other issues like food imports (China might only import "8%" of their food from out of the country but that number hides that 70% of their meat is imported among other things or that they are counting that as "net food imports" after subtracting exports), bad grain harvests due to rotting for the last few years, and other ills plaguing China. China could sustain themselves in a post-war society, but China is too interdependent on the international community to reliably start a war without exacerbating issues at home.
>China is too interdependent on the international community to reliably start a war without exacerbating issues at home. Imagine some impossible scenario where the army is deployed outside of their borders and suddenly every marginalized group decides to revolt in their own interests at once. A scenario where even if they could claim Taiwan by force, there might not be a unified mainland to incorporate it back into. Is China not dependent on it's army to police the various sub-groups of it's population? Speculation for sure, but imagine an alternate timeline when every time the US government decided to intervene abroad, the government would have to risk Texas and the Pacific northwest seceding and not being able to do anything about it. Stalemate. China will probably have to continue to play a very very long game if they wish to expand.
To add to these wonderful and elaborate posts in the thread, I just want to say that all the economic problems Shina has may be even worse than predicted since Shina state-published statistics are usually less trustworthy and its contents have been manipulated for the exclusive benefit of the government itself.
>>22108 >That or they will have to be pragmatic, lose face Will never happen, China is a honor based society and face and clout are big driving factors there.>>22111 > (Australia told them to buy more sheep wool to stabilize the wool economy or to stop buying coal from them) Aaaaah so that's what it was, thank you. I always wondered why the fuck did the PRC stop buying from the only western country sheepish enough to keep selling to them, but I never knew of the other side of the deal. >Ask Hitler about that. I know you're a man of culture just for this reference. Also I don't think you mentioned it, but the Chinese are also having a drinkable water problem and their attempt to bring it from the South to the North is not only economically unsound, it will likely be extremely wasteful and not produce enough water to fix their problems in cities while also pissing off the by then dehydrated South. Thank you so, so much for your angle, anon, this is a screencap thread if I've ever seen one. I'd also like to add something too. China is also losing its image of "place where cheap consumer goods come from". It used to be that the Chinese who could court with the market (that is, expats) would sell at ludicrously low prices goods that came from wealthier industrialized economies. Thanks to all the factors you mentioned, this image has now been forever lost, as the expats were forced to raise prices, as their government has pulled the plug on plenty of foreign financing.
>>22115 But this timeline already happened (Union forcibly conscripting people, which lead to mass riots; civil unrest during WWI; nonviolent protests during 'Nam and violent ones that were just squished by the Federal Government). Also, while Hong Kong has just a vocal minority of people who are very opposed to being part of China proper (their real reasons for staying out of it is loving private capital too much), Taiwanese society has evolved in such a way that the boomers still cling onto the dream of becoming mainlanders (but they want to be the ones in charge or at least have a bigger say on how to run the country) while their entire fighting fit population has been culturally converted to Westernerish values a la Japan. Occupying Taiwan will lead to a scenario with Taiwanese youths directing violence at other Pro-China Taiwanese people first.
>>22120 >Aaaaah so that's what it was, thank you. I always wondered why the fuck did the PRC stop buying from the only western country sheepish enough to keep selling to them, but I never knew of the other side of the deal. They kept it fairly hush-hush and used COVID as an excuse. COVID was the cause; lower demand for textiles and thus lower demand for wool, which plays a major role in the Australian export economy. Australia asked them to keep buying wool as they had before (obviously at a deficit) and when China said no, the Aussies started to reduce coal exports while pressuring them about COVID origins. China got pissed about the changes in coal deals and used the excuse of Australia asking about COVID origins to cut trade negotiations hoping to spark a trade war and make Australia back down. At least for right now this is horribly backfiring because it just made them look like an even bigger bully to the international community even though it actually wasn't their fault for once. At least not entirely.
>>22109 >You want to maintain that mild male deficit but you want to keep it mild so that you don't get Slavic chauvinism culture popping up either since it's self-destructive to society and leads to ills like alcoholism and mass unemployment Why does it pop up in the first place, and how does it lead to those problems?
>>22125 >Why does it pop up in the first place Usually as a result of a series of wars one after another without giving the population enough time to recover or as a result of ideological genocides in the case of the USSR. >And how does it lead to those problems? When you have a severe shortage of men, you must put men on a pedestal of sorts because the sexual competition is reversed. This tends to lead to inflated egos as women are encouraged to marry any man they can or to flee the country to locate a man. Sexual competition will almost always be skewed in a woman's favor because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap, which encourages men to take up professions or arms. We can say this is for nation or state, etc., but at the end of they day it's more honest to say men do great things to either spread their genes or spread the genes of those they care about in the case of nationalism/patriotism. An excess of women flips this on its head and leads to weak men who are spoiled with women competing for them. If you are lucky the end result is polygamy becoming commonplace and if you are unlucky, the end result is women who feel they can't compete in that environment (women are naturally less competitive) leading to mass prostitution/illicit trade or fleeing the state to find partners (or worse; importing foreigners, male foreigners always being less desirable than female foreigners outside of severe labor shortages). The issue is that a male skew is never permanent and once the sexes stabilize you are left with a culture almost permanently affected by this pro-male skew creating civil unrest about two or three generations down the line when men must compete for women once more. It's a short-lived amazing time to be a man but it sets you up for weak-willed men who are selfish in a non-altruistic way.
>>22127 >it sets you up for weak-willed men who are selfish in a non-altruistic way. That's the part I don't get. Maybe it's because I'm not familiar with Russia, but I don't recall ever hearing that the postwar generation was a bunch of sissies. But then again, one day they just got so bored of gommunism that they dissolved the USSR, so maybe I'm just ignorant of these dynamics.
>>22128 It's more that they're a bunch of lazy alcoholics with violent tendencies. If you're a non-drunk that doesn't beat his girlfriend, doesn't get into random fights, and is capable of maintaining a steady job of any description, you're a Russian 8 or up.
>>22128 The immediate response after the death of Stalin was severe deescalation of pretty much all Soviet policies. It took a decade before the Soviet Union went back to being a decent world power and I'm assuming it partly had to do with just how many men were killed during WW2 relative to the percentage of the adult population. Even today Russia has not recovered from their depopulation bomb.
>>22130 >Even today Russia has not recovered from their depopulation bomb. Care to elaborate on this more for an uneducated strelok like me?
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>>22128 The post-war generation are never sissies- they fought a war and lived to tell about it. Their children take the shade of trees they planted for granted and then either they or their children become violent weak men when the tree dies and they are left without shade. I forgot the actual name of it but it's this cycle. When sex ratios get skewed the hard times get dialed up to 11 when they take hold and you end with civil unrest unless you get really lucky (as Russia did with Putin).
>>22133 Strauss Howe generational theory
>>22135 If I understand it correctly, WW3 nao?
>>22131 I am in no way qualified to talk about this topic, brother, but aside from the below-replacement-level issue that Russia is facing, the hit they took to their male population + years of starvation under Communism have created this scenario where Russia has a population that can't even occupy 10% of their land area, despite a lot of Russian land being fertile and inhabitable + infrastructure created just to satisfy quotas instead of practical needs meaning they didn't develop population centers that weren't Moscow or military relevant oblasts. Videos that go into more detail, although politically biased: Lib right https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=kPVo9w79D6w Aut right https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=aq3WtOuRCMw
>>22113 >and other ills plaguing China. including a critical fresh water shortage and farmland increasingly contaminated with heavy metals
>>22127 >If you are lucky the end result is polygamy becoming commonplace
>>22135 Thanks very much for the link Anon. I never knew it had a theory name before. More an obvious "Sure, that's common sense" kind of thing, once you grasp the concept.
>>22176 That's just the latest name for it, there were parallels in the past like Bagot Glubb's Fate of Empires and the Search for Survival, Spengler's Decline of the West, Ibn Khaldun's Asabiyyah, the Chinese dynastic cycle, the Greek Ages of Man, the Hindu Yuga cycle. Same idea with different names, ala shellshock > battle fatigue > PTSD > Combat Stress Reaction
>>22121 Those are good points in regards to the "timeline" in the US, but my understanding is that current year China is less homogeneous then the image that the government likes to project and to such an extent that the threat of force from the PLA is the only thing keeping those, especially in the north and the west, from walking away from the party completely. >Union forcibly conscripting people, which lead to mass riots; civil unrest during WWI This seems like an apt analogy, but after the union was solidified by bloody conflict and the civil unrest during WWI failed to be sufficient to change the course of history, I believe the US was standing on much firmer ground by the time that >nonviolent protests during 'Nam and violent ones were just squished by the Federal Government The main difference from 'Nam to present being, even if non-interventionists had their way, they would have had no desire to walk away from the union established from the time of the civil war up until then. They would have wanted to remain in the union, but just not continue to intervene overseas, engage in forever wars, etc. Just basing this upon what I've read, but I don't believe that marginalized groups in China, due to cultural and linguistic differences far greater then those in the US, have any interest in being part of a greater China as a default position and that if the PLA was sufficiently distracted by external conflict, to such an extent that they could not police those populations, then those marginalized groups would assert themselves and seize control of their respective geographic regions. Here's a for instance, let's say that 'Nam war protesters won the day early on and were not put down by the feds. I can't imagine then that the south would have revived the confederacy, nor would a republic of California and a republic of Texas be established in the aftermath. Yet, perhaps, if the PLA were to be sufficiently distracted from their active role as domestic police, factions in northern and western China, in particular, would then attempt to establish autonomous regions without a second thought. Just spitballing here for the most part in this interesting thread, based upon what I've read, as I have no first hand experience on the mainland and those that I know that have gone there for extended stays have only recounted stories of their favorite restaurants and the like upon return. >Taiwanese >a la Japan I hear you loud and clear as far as that goes. My lived experience in east Asia has been in those areas among others and, suprise suprise, as an image board user I'm fairly biased towards the Japan because reasons, but I'll admit your critique in regards to Japan is spot on in, despite my admiration for their civil society and culture.
>>22181 I'll do some further research into this. The wiki page you originally linked obviously got the libshit's panties in a knot, given all the tags they applied to it, and trivial edits of "REEE this is disreputable!1111" Those two men must be doing something right I'd guess heh. Again, thanks.
>>22183 >but my understanding is that current year China is less homogeneous then the image that the government likes to project That is a given, but even the estimates made by the West misunderstand what's actually going on. If anti-Beijing media is to be believed, Uyghurs and Tibetans are the only oppressed groups. Now, the former can't be called oppressed as pretty much enslaved. They do not wish for independence but rather autonomy and respect, and it makes perfect sense since their land is desolate and even if independent they'd be prime real estate for any of their neighbors or ISIS or any other rogue warlord group. The latter, instead have never been pacified by China, so while the Han are being forced to relocate there, it's basically a drop in the bucket since Tibetans just ignore the government and keep on pulling the strings on foreign media to get them to cover their situation. Cantonese regions and their Mongolian and Korean minorities are also considered subhuman and even among the Han there's immense rivalry between coastal chinks (sissies, mercantile classes, the highly educated portion of the people) and the inner chinks (rude, boomer tier strong men, the actual guys who accepted Nationalism instead of Gucci Communism). The PLA is extremely inefficient and the average Chinese is much more critical of the government than the 1984 narrative wants people to believe - yet the problem rises from the fact that the political institutions at the local level are so weak, corrupt and ineffective that no intelligent oriental would ever think of organizing protests, let alone revolts. Because of that you get all of the recent horrible, society destroying trends ("lie down" culture where young adults refuse to get a job or work overtime, extreme revenges against society by the stabbing and running over of kids by the hundreds, religious and non religious cults sprouting everywhere) but it never gets to the point where the average Chinese actually acts upon their government, because without the central govt he'd be in deep shit. >I believe the US was standing on much firmer ground by the time that According to The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History which is an extremely lolbertarian biased book but about half of the shit in there (i.e. Operation Keelhaul, New Deal shit, the fate of slavery etc.) is confirmed by centrist historians and the other half is exaggerated or wishy washy lib-right propaganda the Union after their civil war was no closer to being an united nation then when secession happened. It took the Federal government an immense undertaking of military occupation, radical rethinking of state rights and political bullying to get close to that, and even then it only happened during the late 1890s when the economic situation of both regions drastically improved.
>>22183 >Just basing this upon what I've read, but I don't believe that marginalized groups in China, due to cultural and linguistic differences far greater then those in the US, have any interest in being part of a greater China as a default position and that if the PLA was sufficiently distracted by external conflict, to such an extent that they could not police those populations, then those marginalized groups would assert themselves and seize control of their respective geographic regions. The problem lies in the fact that the profitable areas of China are all situated along coastline, mainly Han Chinese regions. Even if a rogue group of their minorities, or even culturally different groups of Han Chinese ancestry, were to take over their own Chinkascadia, they would probably just collapse within a year without external help from a richer country. By far the only one that could pull it off would be Tibet using Indian assistance, but they will never do that as they have historically poor relations with each other and the Indians would surely request large mountainous regions as compensation. Additionally, keep in mind that when the Warlord period was going on most of China was still an industrial backwater. It makes sense that a ton of ineffectual small states could exist on the map all at the same time, because the infrastructure and economy of the entire region was comparable to that of the Middle East today, with few exceptions.
>>22187 Have you read much on the particulars of Chinese balkanization? Would it be possible for China this way to have more robust mutually beneficial competition comparable to Western countries in their primes?
>>22173 Frankly with how polluted their country is I don't see how they can saber rattle so much when I bet at least half of their military is asmatic with poor eyesight due to breathing in toxic gas and drinking water with lead in it. Not to mention all the bullshit in their food what with their culture of "If you couldn't tell I replaced your rice and eggs with plastic then it's on you.".
>>22194 >Not to mention all the bullshit in their food Reminder that one of the few rations to make Steve1989 significantly ill after a review was a 2010s-era, in-date PLA ration. Not the many times he's said "oh yeah, that's definitely rancid" and then taken another bite. Not the many WWII-era antiques, not the century-old beef from the Boer War, not even the hardtack from fucking 1863. But modern Chinese food was too much.
>>22190 >Have you read much on the particulars of Chinese balkanization? No, I'm literally armchair speculating from what I've heard other people say (whether pro or anti Beijing) or read in politically biased books. >Would it be possible for China this way to have more robust mutually beneficial competition comparable to Western countries in their primes? No because as I've already mentioned, the only thing that most of Western China has to offer to the coastal regions is cheap labor and empty lots of land to put their tourist trap cities and asbestos buildings. In any event of regions or countries splitting away from the central government, all it would take is two generations before they got back into the mainland or get assimilated by another country. The unique situation of all warlord periods is that none of the countries in a specific geographical/ ethnic region have the upper hand in technology / manpower / culture / diplomacy compared to the other ones. The Kuomintang won the initial stages of the war because the US and European powers really liked having concessions in Shanghai and other colonial ports (fun fact people keep remembering Macau and Hong Kong, but they forget that the Germans had Kiautschou Bay, the Italians had Tientsin and France had Guangzhouwan). The Communists did their usual underhanded tricks by hiding in the mountains during the Sino Japanese war, capturing important political figures of China during diplomatically tense moments and then having the balls to starve and march their own people halfway through the country to attack a weakened central government when the time was right. A repeat of a situation like that cannot happen with the way countries are aligned right now. The only way I can see something like that happening is if North Korea collapses and power got projected through Manchuria (which still has a sizable minority of people and could culturally claim to be their own country and the place where their Emperor hails from) which is why most of China's R&D goes to supporting Kimmy. >>22194 Well, what do the PRC have as options then? Their only card other than nationalism and xenophobia is Wushu/S-J Conflict shit and Mystic Martial Arts shit. The former is driving Chinks nuts, I think I've read of some actor who played nasty dishonorable nipponese people so many times he was collapsing from fatigue, while the latter has been utterly demolished by a single MMA fighter (who by the way is not against martial arts as a practice, he just got pissed at some cultist nutjobs using govt money to nationalise people away from other sports, got heckled for it and it just snowballed from there where he's now persona non grata in most of China). >Not to mention all the bullshit in their food what with their culture of "If you couldn't tell I replaced your rice and eggs with plastic then it's on you.". Man, this thread needs so much more intel. I really wish this place or any other board here or on 8ch or the webring had an active /his/ that also dealt with current events. Look up White Monkey jobs. Basically, any foreigner (especially Yurop) with nice looks can get insane money in China by pretending to be a highly successful businessman promoting Chinese brands / acting as if the brand is foreign and not Chinese, or by acting as an English teacher and getting paid to spread govt propaganda. De Rucci (not the name of the guy, who I think is just an English professor) is one of the most infamous examples.
>>22198 Wasnt Sichuan always a strategic outlier due to its geography (fertile plain with a ring of mountains+rivers) that is similar to the valley of Po or hungary? afaik it could sustain rivalring dynasties for longer then a few generations in times where china wasnt united.
>>22198 Not really airtight arguments against productive balkanization. You're right a new /his/ would be good. Can we talk to this site's owners for a combined polsci (ie pol with way less idiots) and his board?
>>22198 >Well, what do the PRC have as options then? I mean calming the fuck down and letting people actually live their lives is a good option and it might even get the international community off of their backs for a while as well. Now what can they do without losing their tyrannical amount of power? Fucking nothing. They are absolutely fucked if they don't chill the fuck out but they can't just let people be or that makes them lose face which a chinaman would rather die than do. So I would give China like ten years at most.
>>22252 The concept of China falling does not follow from your rather spastic and blunt spiel. People have been saying China would fall in a decade for many decades, instead, China kept winning, almost as if the ill will were fueling them.
>>22253 I wouldn't call having a population crisis due to killing all female children and living in a polluted hell scape winning. Their future is going to consist of malformed children due to poor diets and air quality and needing to import most of their food due to poisoning their land so badly. Kind of hard to invade people or threaten people when you rely on others to feed yourself. Then there is the face that most of their cities with most of their manufacturing base is located on a river that is only prevented from flooding by a dam that is proving to be held together by hopes and fucking dreams. One good rainy season and China has a huge humanitarian crisis on their hands.
>>22254 The population crisis is a libtard meme that disguises that its purpose is to give bad faith advice towards getting China to accept brown and black immigrants. China could use even less citizens, less mouths to feed and complain, as automation has made more jobs redundant than ever. The dams are by far a greater existential threat. China's shown incompetence with dams and buildings in the past. But I also don't know the particulars of the risks involved, and how many of the risks are actually true, or more anti-China propaganda. Sources and whistleblowers could be working for either side, because few care about truth these days. China could very well be shooting its foot, but why would they take shortcuts for something so major? This isn't stacked shoebox rooms to appease the whining poor to shut up before shutting them under a collapsed roof.
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>>22253 I think it's a matter of what you consider "China falling." The CCP being ousted? No if that's what >>22252 is talking about then it's just not happening they have a stranglehold on China and they're not letting go without a fight. At least on the coastal important bits. If by "China Falling" he means becoming a North Korea-tier dictatorship with very little power abroad except by using their nuclear arms to demand gibs while having "and then millions of Chinks died" famine footnotes every decade or so, then yes, China is well on the path to that happening. When even Soros is realizing that the tower is collapsing reality can't be denied. They have an extreme energy crisis that isn't going away for at least a few years, transportation crisis, housing AND investment crisis since the two are intertwined, they have an incoming water crisis, there is an ongoing genocide in the country souring Western investment and cooperation, they are going after a Democratic country in order to get around international sanctions pissing off the parts of the world that have Republics/Democracies for at least the next 20 years, their population is aging on a scale that will be comparable to Japan in a decade, and the only solution to most of these is to lose face, which just isn't happening Chang. China has a central planning problem. They did for a long time and now it's coming back to bite them in the ass. In the 90s it looked like they were easing up on it which allowed them to boom in the 2000s, but then the CCP got greedy and wanted a slice of that cake even though it wasn't theirs to begin with leading to the current issues. The incoming housing/financial crisis alone was entirely caused by China's central planners refusing to allow divestment of investments (and Chinese mentality of there always being a bigger sucker out there) which has resulted in a several tens of, if not hundreds of trillions bubble that makes the 1992 バブル景気 look like a fun time. The CCP's Central Planners can pull a Reichsmark and nationalize Evergrande's debt or file for bankruptcy (effectively the same thing) in order to wipe it out (on paper), but doing so will destroy all trust and international trade with China at a time when manufacturing/industrial bases are already being returned to domestic production after countries realized that maybe industries like steel, medicine, and textiles are a matter of national defense concern due to COVID's effect on international trade. China does not have the geographical and engineered infrastructure necessary to maintain the scale of their advances without international cooperation to prop them up. If they don't take on that debt and let the market run its course in one form or another (Evergrande collapsing, or the 20 different mini-Evergrandes the CCP is talking about making right now collapsing), then the average Chinaman is about to become an international debt slave for the next ten generations since that's the kind of money we're talking here. China talks a big game, but they already entered their death throes back in September. The only thing saving China right now is the fact that wealthy Chink businessmen have bought out the American and European housing markets and China loaned out fucktons of yuan, so they will have to sell off their properties crashing the global economy with them since China will owe too much debt themselves to hand out loans to other countries and thus will demand that other countries start paying their debts they owe China (and let's be honest; they either can't or they won't regardless of what is right or wrong). Literally the only thing that could save China would be some kind of emerging economy that they could offload their debt onto the way America offloaded our debt onto them, and all of the emerging economies on the horizon are hostile towards China or waiting for China to collapse in order to eat up the international community's desire for slaves. China continuing on their path as a superpower just isn't possible and world leaders don't want to address China since addressing them necessarily implies addressing the global economic collapse that could (not will but could) follow the Chinese housing market going bust. China's fucked and has been fucked since September. It's just a question of if they can take the rest of us motherfuckers down with them now or stave off the collapse for another decade.
Did something happen with the chink mod? he was cool
>>22260 What Chinese mod? How do you know they were Chinese?
>>22258 They can pull off a 2008 America. So what if people suicide, the world needs a culling anyway.
>>22257 >China could use even less citizens Yeah, except that is not how this works. With the population declining, a high percentage of the people will be old and useless and only a minority will actually be useful workers. If all those old people would stop existing, then this wouldn't be a huge problem as they could just automate more and keep going as you propose but they wont stop existing and there is no good way to kill them off without invoking civil war, so instead either social services are going to keep running, paid for by the young, or social services will die off and old people will have to be cared for by their families, also paid by the young. This will inevitably require the working age population to take on an impossibly huge amount of work to sustain the rest of the population, risking rising unhappiness and tensions and the breakdown of the chinese government / civil war.
>>22265 Except it does. It's not comparable to America, where boomers live large, party, and prey on the young females who should have been the wives of young males who are sustaining them. Looking after the elderly is a much easier task in China. The Chinese elderly already have a low economic upkeep rate, and still provide useful work like looking after grandchildren, and they'll have to do whatever party line says. The young would rather side with the government in this case, as it benefits them more. The Three Gorges Dam's power output is more than enough to shoulder the cost per year.
>>22266 The Chinese elderly had a low economic effect because the Chinese fell for the social contract and have a dozen safety nets and laws to hide the real numbers. You don't get to try and be the world leader in medicine while simultaneously having an elderly uprising from shit healthcare (as is currently happening), and from what I understand from friends, Chinese boomers are 10x worse than American boomers about the whole entitlement thing since they are legally guaranteed said entitlements by the state. You can't throw this problem under the rug pretending China could get away with another Great Leap Forward, anon.
More importantly the elderly are subsidized by property sales and gains. The thing currently crashing in China like a boulder down the side of a mountain.
>>22271 10x sounds like a talk-from-ass exaggeration that you conveniently have a friend that could take the blame. I doubt they could light up that bad when their precious social credit is at risk.
>>22263 He said he was, but he lived in the US i think
>>22278 Global mod or just for this board?
>>22257 >China could very well be shooting its foot, but why would they take shortcuts for something so major? Because the chinaman loves to rip people off and ripping off the government is a Chinese pastime dating back to the boxer rebellion and when Japan invaded them the first time where they actually hit the Japanese flagship dead on but nothing happened because the ammunition manufacturer for their ironclads said "Hey it would be cheaper to just fill the shell with cement instead of explosives.". Also if you think a massive lack of young people isn't a huge problem for a government then ask yourself how a government that stays in power using their military is going to do that with no recruits since your options are either remove the workers you need to run your economy or remove the soldiers that keep you in power.
>>22284 Well the Three Gorges Dam already paid for its cost in power generated. Doesn't matter if it breaks now, they could build two of them now. Most of the workers aren't doing anything vital, same as white collar office make-work in the USA. Honestly, every developed country could do with fewer workers. I still haven't seen any real rebuttals to the fake news muh demographic crisis. Japan's doing pretty well even with a shrinking population.
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>>22288 If the dam breaks, the water doesn't just teleport away. Multiple very vital cities will get fucked.
>>22279 Just for this board
>>22288 >Well the Three Gorges Dam already paid for its cost in power generated. Doesn't matter if it breaks now, they could build two of them now. Well the Mississippi dam has already paid for itself three times over. Who cares if it breaks now causing 30 trillion in damages before accounting for the tens of thousands who would die? >Most of the workers aren't doing anything vital >"Not an argument" Well here's my rebuttal; You talk like those people who think food just magically comes from the supermarket so I can't take you seriously if I have to give you a basic economics lesson on supply chains. The world relies on skilled low-wage labor and despite Chinese propaganda, not everybody can solder or till a field just because he or she is a warm body.
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>>22288 >Japan's doing pretty well even with a shrinking population. They missed out on the chance to convert their economic power status to great power status geopolitically because they an heroed their economy with the Plaza Accord in the 80s, and now they're too old to be able to move beyond a country of wagies and consoomers. Their boomers traded that in for comfort and mediocrity under the umbrella of American hegemony and their children pay the price. China's copied from the Japanese handbook to develop up to this point, but they have no reason to come to an agreement with the US to raise the value of the RMB to crash their own economy, and no reason to acquiesce to American geopolitical designs without a constitution that retards their military development. The CCP uses the "century of humiliation" as a nationalist motif to hold the country together and if it feels the reins of power are slipping from its grasp, all the more reason to reestablish its legitimacy itself by striking outward. fuck I can't post today
>>22288 >Japan's doing pretty well even with a shrinking population. Japan doesn't keep their government in power with a massive military and most of their economy isn't based on manufacturing slave labor.
>>22292 Only takes 1-3% of the population to get food for everyone else now. And only a small fraction are doing real administrative and economic work that needs to be done. Again, most workers are redundant and not vital in any real way. Anyone who says different is disconnected from reality.
>>22296 To be honest, Japan is an interesting story where the real story is hidden in plain sight. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobusuke_Kishi Yes, wikipedia, but this is still a decent rundown of who he was.
>>22299 >Only takes 1-3% of the population to get food for everyone else now Yes because of skilled labor, Chang. You need mechanized farming equipment for planting and harvesting which requires trained personnel to manufacture, assemble, and repair said equipment. >Most workers are redundant Everyone says that until a few thousand gallons of milk have to be dumped because those redundant workers quit. People said the same about airlines because of the pilot excess and yet they can't hire people to fill the positions. Weibo has the same issue with electronic and automotive assemblers right now. You are living in a period of labor shortages.
Technology is a ropeway, not a timeline. When you fall off you have to start from the bottom or where you grabbed back onto the rope. It is not improvements only.
>>22301 They quit because automation made their jobs pay cheaper, lol. They can enforce labor policies unlike America. It's going to be the housing market collapse more than anything.
>>22300 Wait you mean that they wanted to change a system that was working fine to copy the burger system, because the new guys in charge were to retarded to know that "if it works, don't fix it"?
>>22304 Keep deflecting, Chang. Skilled labor does not magically sprout up and the "millions of monkeys with typewriters" solution your entire premise is reliant on (while unironically calling for a commie-tier mass culling) has been debunked since the 50s. When I'm right and shit comes tumbling down I'll be sure to post the screencaps and gloat be in my bunker with my guns and chickens while you are starving from an international debt crisis.
>>22306 Not Chinese, but that would still be better than living under globohomo. They can enforce and train whatever roles they need, and their citizens will just have to deal with it. Europe is crashing harder from endless nafri infestation. The population issue is a real one, but one with foreseeable fixes, not so much as the housing market breakdown. I probably own more guns, and I definitely have better livestock, than a chicken farmer (lol) like you, so don't count your eggs too quickly.
>>22305 And the whole getting the central bank be independent to the government so it can do whatever (((they))) want. RIP the nips.
>>22308 This is interesting. How do we know Japan has an nongovernmental central bank subordinate to what (((they))) want? What about China's central banks?
>>22309 I don't know, but the central bank of different countries using the same tactics to fuck with the economy to change the whole country political/economic structure so that it can be manipulated by outside firms, looks like a dead give away.
>>22310 With countries like the UK, it's obvious, because some force has the leverage to force them to accept brown immigrants, even though nobody sane wants them. The royal family can't even kill a former prostitute like Meghan "Mulatto" Markle, who wastes their treasury to spend millions on stupid fashion. With Japan, I'm not sure. They're definitely subject to American influence, but they still aren't being forced to accept stupid amounts of immigrants, in order to weaken them. Japanese BLM protests were pretty insignificant. If their central bank is controlled, there aren't as obvious signs, or they've able to make agreements to curb bad-immigration. With China there's practically no unwanted immigration at all, and they were able to curb HK protests and remove their independence, so I think if (((world elites))) ever controlled their government or central bank, they were apparently disinfested.
>>22311 Unless China didn't need an immigration plan to subjugate their population. I don't know the many processes involved are complex.
>>22312 The central bank question deserves its own thread, even though it's barely /k/ related, lol. But putting a /pol/ board here would attract retards. Someone should make a bank thread if there already isn't one.
>>22305 >because the new guys in charge were to retarded to know that "if it works, don't fix it"? The old guys were WW2 vets. The new guys were burger simps. It's why Mishima killed himself, since he realized the generation he was part of would never challenge their occupation.
>>22290 This region of China is the equivalent of the US Rust Belt before it turned into a 'Rust Belt' so to say, it's importance cannot be understated.
>>22309 >>22308 Nipland is a cash-based society despite frequent attempts otherwise by bankers. Most Japs keep their savings in cash. Thirty years of shifting the narrative and the most that has been possible is a cash card where you deposit cash onto a card without any ties to identity since it was purchased at a glorified cash-only ATM.
>>22313 It's a tangential conversation at best. We don't need a repeat of the Corona thread shitshow.
>>22319 Which corona thread? Banksters are a pretty /k/ topic, as they threaten our survival.
>>22318 So does this mean Japan doesn't have a (((controlled))) central bank? Or just that they have enough conservative forces keeping things balanced in favor for their people?
>>22320 The one that caused post-8chan /k/ to bleed users like an untreated bullet wound and ultimately lead into the board's second largest disaster and mass exodus that restored biological warfare discussion but got far more memetic attention. I don't intend to take any more of your bait or derail the thread any further discussing it.
>>22321 It means the Japanese are Jews about their money and the only people they trust less than a government to handle their assets are banks.
>>22323 If it's too controversial I'll just ask on 4/pol/. Where'd those /k/ (this /k/, or 4/k/?) users go then? >>22324 Based anti-kike Jews of East Asia.
>>22326 >If it's too controversial I'll just ask on 4/pol/. >implying they'd know anything about a niche internet gun autists board Long story short the board ownership was taken over by MI6. >Where'd those /k/ (this /k/, or 4/k/?) users go then? They just quit imageboards.
>>22329 >>implying they'd know anything about a niche internet gun autists board I mean for banks. Stuff like that claim only Norko and Iran banks are the only ones not Rothschild controlled or whatever. I see that infographic sometimes, but it doesn't have any sources. >>22329 Some of them moved to telegram even though Russian intelligence owns it.
>>22198 >the latter has been utterly demolished by a single MMA fighter Not really, he has hunted down the charlatans who say they can do incredible shit but are only scamming people out, if he challenged real martial arts fighters in disciplines like southern fist or mantis he would have a rough time although probably win as his discipline can be done using gloves while the chinamen usually need finger strength (picking eyes, pressuring weak holes) and 8 points (aka elbows and knees) to have a complete way of fighting. For example if he fought an elderly Hwang Lee or a Carter Wong, to name two famous fighters-turned-actors, he would need to either focus on ground pound aka homo fighting or impose strict gloves-only fighting. But i respect him, chinks are trying to make him look like a pretentious brigand while in reality he does show certain humbleness and doesn't trash talk the disciplines but the ones pretending they are mystics. The biggest problem with chinaman martial arts is their tricks or specialties are considered dirty by western standards, namely the every part of the body counts as a hit as long as it is not done behind the enemy's back, which means it's okay to kick you in the balls as long as you can see it and have the opportunity to block it, while it is dishonorable to fight in the ground while in the west it's okay to hug men and pound their heads as long as you don't go below the belt. In war all counts but i meant in a 1vs1 as entertainment/competition, all their show cannot be done "safely" and that's if their fabled finger strength. It goes down to them also not trying, the Koreans ripped off and systematized the northern river styles of kicking and got their own mojo going with TKD.
I don't think most people including here realise just how incredibly fragile China's energy industry is. China requires coal for about 60% of it's energy needs. >So? Well, China imports almost the entirety of it's coal from overseas. They simply cannot produce enough of it themselves. >So? So, blockade coal imports to the Chinks and they're fucked beyond repair. Block LNG too while you're at it as they've been increasing it's usage too. Now how easy it is to enforce a naval blockade to China is another matter. But it is a fact that despite all the NATO larping about China bad, they still sell them shit for profit. But that's to be expected, the chosen people want that sweet sweet money.
>>22332 This is what the new silk road is for. DIfficult to blockade them there when the ME is backing them.
The potential real estate crash looks extremely threatening, as the other anon said. The imbalance there, more than any other threat mentioned, as those have practical counters, has the strongest chance of wrecking their economy.
>>22102 5/5. Good post.
>>22634 >>22102 Emotivist pseudo logical nonsense. Note Evola borrowed Hindu terms as a core part of his project. Evola never had an important insight, especially not here.
>>22637 >muh ebul pajeets Don't make it any more obvious, Li.
Where in there did you read Indians as bad, retard?
I think the best solution is to nuke the whole country and put all chinks into camps, just like with the Japanese back there.
>>22723 An embargo and bombing of docks would have the same results with a lot more fun to be had. Plus then they might do the republic-building themselves.
While attempting to nuke China atm is suicidally stupid, especially as of November 2021, that does raise some interesting related questions. How did China come to acquire nukes and associated tech in the first place, according to the official take, as well as by redpilled takes that make sense? The Chinese are certainly smart enough to have figured out nuclear tech, with their scholar civilization, alongside Jews, Teutons, and Russians. But it doesn't rule out that Jews and globalists have been in control of those weapons since the Cold War, since we know Soviet hierarchy was filled with Jews.
>>22331 >Not really, he has hunted down the charlatans who say they can do incredible shit but are only scamming people out, if he challenged real martial arts fighters in disciplines like southern fist or mantis he would have a rough time although probably win as his discipline can be done using gloves while the chinamen usually need finger strength (picking eyes, pressuring weak holes) and 8 points (aka elbows and knees) to have a complete way of fighting. Fake news, the styles you mentioned only work against MMA, because MMA is a sport. Even Bruce Lee said only two Chinese styles were consistently successful against SEA brutal martial arts.
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>>22739 Israel has unofficial nukes too, and has had them for an eternity, probably through stealing US tech. And they've been known to trade military tech with China. The Jews did this.
>>22741 Oppenheimer was a Jew who supported Israel. I don't think it was stealing as much as transferring. So if China got nuke tech through the Soviets (officially), which is just Russia turned Marxist (Marx was Jewish) by Marxists, whose ranks were full of Jews, could this mean modern China was under globalist-Jewish control this entire time? Have there been concrete signs that they've managed to overcome globalist control over them?
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>>22742 Jews are the only foreigners chinese have built statues for. Jews have been involved heavily in china since the opium wars. One could argue that jews are the reason that opium wars even happened.
>>22744 Okay, this demonstrates that Jews were active in China. It doesn't make the case that Jews control or dominate China. They could still just be active there for reasons like disenfranchisement or disagreeing with Zionist Jews, being able to fulfill their projects better there, etc. I've heard the claim that China's central bank is controlled by globalists, and that Jews are destroying America to make America easier to control, meanwhile they're considering moving the center of the UN to China, since the people there are more cooperative and collective. I don't know what's true or not.
>>22763 They are the only nation that completely assimilated their Jewish population in the Kaifeng Jews. The Chinese aren't controlled by the Jews only because they're just as unscrupulous.
>>22764 There are signs showing they're controlled: Hollywood insults them constantly, and is run by Jews; China doesn't insult them back, but rather other laowai targets. There are also signs they're free: When China backed Syria, Hong Kong mysteriously, for no reason, rebelled against CCP.
>>22764 People hear this constantly, but more evidence is needed. Kaifengs and Manchus were absorbed and dominated, that's true, we know this. But just because the Chinese are as amoral as secular Jews, doesn't mean China prevailed against its existing internal Jews, or the ones that were their earliest close diplomatic links to the West. And Arabs are as crooked as their Semitic cousins, the Jews, but they're clearly having to suffer daily aggression by the Israel-America alliance.
Knowing whether or not China can be considered as an ally against ZOG completely changes how to approach things. Conservative Europe and the Middle East considers China trustworthy enough for ordinary events. The question is whether they can actually back our causes, or if they've been puppets to ZOG all along.
>>22769 Why not focus on propping up stable and generally accepted governments first, and worry about whether they are Jewish or not after they aren't trying to go for each other's throats?
>>22770 Because China is the only serious possible current serious opposition to ZOG, until actual stable and acceptable governments can be possible again.
>>22771 Kek that typo. But you know.
>>22769 The triumph of the Jews would be to have the world colonized by the Jewish mindset. So whether China is directly controlled by them doesn't matter, so long as the the Talmudic doctrine survives. >>22768 >And Arabs are as crooked as their Semitic cousins, the Jews, but they're clearly having to suffer daily aggression by the Israel-America alliance. Only the Palestinians because they're on their land claims. The Saudis are in bed with them.
>>22777 You're not making sense. Having a bloc like China run free is never good for them, because every tribe schemes for dominance, and the Han has been doing it similarly as long as the Hebrew. The Chinese abuse Muslims and Christians using their own taboos, and they'll eventually turn on the Jews, if they can. >Only the Palestinians because they're on their land claims. The Saudis are in bed with them. Western nations are taking plenty of Arab refugees destabilized by ZOG influence across MENA. If you think only Palestinians have been suffering, please talk with your local Iraqis, Syrians, Kurds, and so on, and I guess even Somalis, and Afghans.
>>22780 And yes I realize old Hebrew stock is not the same as modern secular Ashkenazi Turkic-European stock.
>>22101 They'll strattle on for a while longer but their fate is sealed by the fact that India, Vietnam, both Korea's, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan, and the Philippians are kinda sick of China's bullshit. North Korea is just less vocal about it and see's the Mainland as little more than a means of gaining tourist money. China's neighbors basically view the Mainland as the Jews of South East Asia, which given the CCP's cut throat diplomacy and one sided propaganda pieces isn't to far off. Keep in mind the only "real" allies China actually has is Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, an Pakistan and that's just because the CCP gives them free shit, North Sudan however doesn't count because that's barely a functional "country" and is little more than the place China dumps all it's old surplus QBZ bullpups into African warlord hands in exchange for cobalt and gold. China can larp as a major first world navy with their tin horn fleet of destroyers, single aircraft carrier, and civilian militia ships all they want but that doesn't change the reality that the island chains essentially means that in a major conflict like say invading Taiwan ///South East China\\\ all their Southern neighbors could basically deny them access by lining up their coast line with howitzers and anti ship missiles so even if America pussies out the PLA navy still has to fight a quarter of the entire world which is a battle they'd lose less they're willing to start a nuclear Armageddon over Taiwan South Eastern China which is also a fight they'd lose since Taiwan is as of now the silicone factory of the world so letting a single country dominate over it would make China a modern day version of the French Empire so it's better for the world to not let them have it in the long run. Another reason China would be fucked in a hypothetical major war with the Asian equivalent of N.A.T.O. is China's "Great Leap Forward" has basically poisoned the majority of their once functional agricultural land so they're not food independent at all and constantly have to import grains from Africa and America. The only real advantage China has is one they've got spies all over the world as well as a huge cyber army working around the clock, also the fact that the West/mostly America is very decadent and wants the continued flood of cheap shit but of course India, Indonesia, and Vietnam are just as capable of making cheap shit too so that's no longer a monopoly China has plus citizens in the mainland also want to export their industry over seas because they're just as greedy as Americans are which the CCP would have to crack down on BUT if they do that to hard foreign companies and investors will just pack up and leave for greener pastures out of fear of being nationalized which is already happening to an extent anyway for other reasons. Basically China is fucked though at the very least it's capable of being self reliant if it had to be in terms of industry anyway.
Pic related, China has no hope of being a true blue water navy because of this geography. Also fuck China.
>>22318 So basically Japan's equivalent of buying an Amazon or Ebay card at the grocery store? Nice, glad to see Nippon's are keeping their fiat indoors. Do they also keep gold around in hidden volts too? Might as well with the ridiculous inflation their government has created.
>>28887 >>28889 I'm far less optimistic since even South Korea is towing the line (pretty sure the guy just elected is pro-neutrality which is a shift from pro-America) and unless America launches an all-out assault (which they can't without causing a civil war back home fueled by bread prices) nobody is going to actively oppose China taking Taiwan. I still generally agree that China has no allies and is just talking big, but I disagree that they have no playing cards at all. >>28892 Pretty much, yes. >Do they also keep gold around in hidden volts too? From the ones I know, yes. The Jew fears the Samurai because Japanese have the mentality of kikes except with long-term planning so they don't cut off their own nose to spite their face and with less disdain for foreigners since they recognize trade as a "soft power" over others instead of just a means to an end.
>>28887 Isn't China's alliance with Iran and Pakistan (which has nukes) meant to make India irrelevant, giving them more power over the Indian Ocean, and therefore trade with Africa, as well as relieving pressure on their dependency on the New Silk Road? I'm not sure how effective the alliance will be, but it also doesn't sound as definite as you're trying to make it out as.
>>28954 China's alliance with Iran is built entirely off of them not wanting Russia to get any funny ideas about taking Chinese territory. If Iran and Russia decide that China is more of a threat than an ally the two will work together to overthrow China since Russian-Iranian ties are very strong due to the Caspian sea. China's alliance with Pakistan is built on a mutual hateboner towards India albeit for different reasons (Pakistan's is a blood feud/religious feud, China's is a resource war). >but it also doesn't sound as definite as you're trying to make it out as. Funnily enough the age of the internet combined with chink flu and the humanitarian crisis of Afghanistan is bridging the gap between Pakistan and India right now. Pakistan sucked up their pride and allowed humanitarian aid from India, and since then the two have been repairing their relationships (likely as a means of India securing access to the Afghani silk road but that doesn't matter).
>>22318 >>22324 A more practical reason for this is because of the cost of banking services, not literal Jew playing on the background. Japanese banks take lots of fees to move money around. Say, if you want to transfer $100 to your friend through a teller, you must pay $8, and you'd still required to pay around $5 using any other methods. Combine this with the fact that Japanese banks have very low interest rate since the bubble days meaning that people will save a lot of money by not relying on banks.
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>>22101 Maybe in the short term. Chinese ("Han") society is basically built on foolery and subservience with competition acting as a filter for an infinitely high density of people. Losing face is to bring endless shame. The country's a time bomb for the global economy. When it collapses they'll just call it another humiliation by the rest of the world. To add to the Shit's Fucked List: >High-Speed Rail, Infrastructure, Housing The Chinese have eternal building projects, creating roads, cities, etc where there should be none both for the prestige of industrializing and to maintain quotas. Rows after rows of unfinished gas stations are made on terrible highways and near bridges without guards in the middle of nowhere but are marked as completed. Under Xi, privatization will never be an option. They also move their stored money off shore in similar fashions as they did to circumvent capital holding laws, buying and building apartment complexes, houses, etc to act as landlords for practically no one except possibly their children, who they ship to Western universities. They also use these are fronts for things like illegal immigration so that more money can be poured into China. >Men, Sole Heirs, and Aging Population This is being corrected with a three child policy, but it's pretty much too late. Female infanticide is ingrained in Chinese culture. In regards to cheating culture, Chinese students across all ages go as far as rioting when there are crackdowns on cheating. The idea of education is to pass with the highest marks even if you don't know everything because someone else will know what you don't. Chinese students of rich or "rich" parents take these ideas to foreign universities where they have plenty of options to launder and fraudulently produce passing grades (i.e. "study groups," "tutoring services," Chinese-exclusive social media apps) while spiking housing prices around universities because their parents can pay any amount necessary. These students come back to China having learned nothing but with a fancy Western degree, putting them a step ahead of those who can't enter prestigious native schools but still go to university. Tangential to the point of extreme ideologies is the "lying flat movement" which promotes not working unless absolutely necessary. >Energy As a related concept, the Chinese lie about renewable energy numbers, emissions, and other things that would make them lose face if revealed, and their soil and water may as well be salted due to extreme pollution. Cancer diagnoses are given in the thousands daily on average, a number which was only revealed when it was allowed to be (as the Chinese typically only allow old data and incredibly small sample sizes to be used), meaning it could be far higher. The biggest causes of death and injury are strokes, heart disease, cancer, and road injuries. China is an ecological disaster, and any sort of collapse would be to the worst humanitarian crisis the world has ever seen as refugees would flood every corner of the globe. >Refusal to Modernize It's not just refusal, it's rejection. With increasingly obtrusive laws regarding social credit, as well as enclosing the youth with equally greater restrictions on access to the outside world, they seek to maintain their culture and keep it in line with Xi's ideas of tradition while also using things like the 50 Cent Party and the Chinese idea of eternal martyrdom to enforce their will on the rest of global culture. Similarly, companies like Tencent buy up others to create and maintain cultural control by making the industry dependent on them. To make a comparison, they want the same sort of cultural protection Jews have, where even implying that you don't like something from or related to them can see you turn into a social pariah, but they can make fun of you as much as they want. They view foreigners as animals to never give in to and only show a slightly softer version of this mentality to each other.
>>28950 >I'm far less optimistic since even South Korea is towing the line (pretty sure the guy just elected is pro-neutrality which is a shift from pro-America) and unless America launches an all-out assault (which they can't without causing a civil war back home fueled by bread prices) nobody is going to actively oppose China taking Taiwan. I still generally agree that China has no allies and is just talking big, but I disagree that they have no playing cards at all. A question regarding Taiwan and other SEA nations, If America doesn't do anything to defend Taiwan, will America act in the defense of the Philippines or Japan? Didn't America sign a defense treaty with both of them way back in the day?
>>29898 Before answering that let me start with the framework: China taking Taiwan would introduce sanctions and such the likes of which Russia is responding to right now, but giving China open ocean access essentially lets them bypass any sanctions as they will be able to navigate around American Navy Interpol operations. Specifically giving them the ability to trade with Venezuela and Mexico unhindered as they have long wanted to in order to destabilize American and Brazilian trade networks on the Western side of the Panama canal. With that out of the way, America has been "lightening" their defense requirements for both countries. In the early 2010s America made it clear to Japan that they would not be able to properly defend them which is why the JSDF has expanded so rapidly in the last decade. We would of course support them militarily but there is only so much that could he done. As per the Philipines, our mutual defense treaty can realistically be fulfilled by military logistical aid which is likely what America would do. The only way America will get directly involved is with the full support of South Korea, Japan, Australia, London, and the Philipines, as anything else would be military suicide in a battle of sheer numbers.
>>29898 Why would they sanction China if they start pacifying an unruly providence?
>>29919 >>29919 >China taking Taiwan would introduce sanctions and such the likes of which Russia is responding to right now US congress is already proposing sanctions on China and using the Uyghur crisis as an excuse but everyone knows its because of Russia. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/599112-us-announces-new-sanctions-on-chinese-officials-over-repressive-acts If US will impose further sanctions is too early to tell but one proposal is to remove china on normal trade, might as well take over Taiwan and be done with if that happens.
>>22109 >>22111 >>22112 >>22113 yeah pretty much all of this
>>22101 "China will collapse on itself because reasons" This has been said since Mao. They said it for Deng too. And Zemin and Jintao. They want it to be true for Xi Jinping. So when's the magical prophecy happening? The West has at least as many long standing problems, internal conflicts, and reasons to collapse on itself.
>>30382 >So when's the magical prophecy happening? When the people who actually run america read: not Biden decide to make the country fold up. Because they own China too.
>>30398 I wonder about this myself, but Deng purged China's agent Jews after Mao died, and they left for Israel. They were barred from returning. It's possible China is free from Jewish control: This would make sense in their alliance with Iran and Syria, which emboldened both to make fronts against Israeli influence. It's also possible China is still under Jewish control: The nation adopted and still nominally uses communism, after all.
>>30405 Is China's central bank really owned by Jews? How would any of us normals know? Why isn't this kind of information on Wikileaks? Why have Chinese officials been buying so much gold and crypto?
>>30406 >>30405 >It's possible China is free from Jewish control: >Is China's central bank really owned by Jews? The current Chinese central bank was founded and is currently owned by the rothschild family. China is controlled opposition
>>30407 Perhaps, but can you prove that? Every high ranking Jew in the CCP from Mao's leadership was removed, and banned from entering China again. Look up Jacob Rosenfield. It's very likely the Rothschilds controlled China's finances at some point, but it's also very possible China freed itself. Xi is pushing heavily a China NatSoc and Chinese heritage ideology, and is basically on the borderline of just removing the Communism (Marxist/Jewish) branding altogether.
America has hundreds US factories in China. If they really wanted to kill China, why not just take all of their factories out of the country then? Move to a US friendly country then. If they were really "mortal enemies" , why keep supporting them and giving them as much as possible to get better? And taking massive debt from them while they're at it?
>>30412 >Xi is pushing heavily a China NatSoc and Chinese heritage ideology, That's that's just all wrong. China has loads of problems. Not just because of (((them))) >and is basically on the borderline of just removing the Communism (Marxist/Jewish) branding altogether. Then why don't they just get rid of it instead of droning on about it?. won't happen by the way >>30412 >Perhaps, but can you prove that? give me like a day or 2 to respond to that. Again, it's not just focusing on (((them))). See >>30416
>>30416 >If they were really "mortal enemies" , why keep supporting them and giving them as much as possible to get better? Because China (really Vietnam) are one of the few places left on earth where mass slave labor for cheap shit is still legal.
>>30420 China is probably free from being a Jewish vassal. America pays Israel heavily, China does not. China's population is moving towards middle class, white collar labor, now that their standard of living is higher, and will make either India or Africa (possibly hiring Indians, since Africans are incompetent) the world's new factory.
>>30421 >India India has more red tape than most European countries. It took like 10 years to approve the sale of Coca Cola in India. >Africa Watch some videos by Magate Wade. Africa is either too destabilized or when stable you need so many bribes that it's cheaper to outsource it to South America or Eastern Europe at that point.
>>30421 >China's population is moving towards middle class, white collar labor Try again dude China almost had a riot recently because they were denying people their university degrees because they needed more people in the factories. China is trying their hardest to prevent a middle class from forming because their entire economy is based on slave labor and building fake buildings filled with sand instead of concrete.
>>30493 Oh no one blip against a broadly emerging trend, how will the Chinese middle class ever recover? Chinese zoomers are spoiled and as a class have more power than ever against CCP youth who will eventually replace the current committee, and will have to deal with an angry generation with nothing to lose.
>>30545 >CCP youth who will eventually replace the current committee, and will have to deal with an angry generation with nothing to lose. They tried that back in the 80s remember where they ran over student protesters with tanks and hosed them down the sewer?
>>22101 >>30407 Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Limited (ICBC), ranked the largest bank in the world 2017 and 2018, by total assets,[13] (31 December 2020, US$4.324 trillion[7]), ICBC was positioned at 1st in The Banker's Top 1000 World Banks ranking, every year from 2012,[14] and first (2019) on the Forbes Global 2000 list of the world's biggest public companies.[15] It is considered a systemically important bank by the Financial Stability Board. ICBC isn't sending Israel their money like vassals, the way Europe and America are. They aren't taking in immigrants, and are in fact basically shoahing them. They keep banning LGBT angles, and there's way less top-down queer sympathy compared to the West. I don't think China is Jew controlled.
>>30605 This time normal Chinese have infiltrated the CCP and can coup the tanks now. It won't be easy but they have stronger collective numbers, wealth, and influence these days.
>>30673 >This time normal Chinese have infiltrated the CCP and can coup the tanks now You plainly don't know any actual Communist Chinese AFK friend. I do. They not only absolutely love The Party, but most of them aspire to be a part of it. As a language group the vast majority of the Han Chinese consider themselves directly to be Heaven's People, and predict they will own the entire Earth someday. >tl;dr They are far more unified behind their government and their lands & peoples than any typical Westerner today can really imagine. There will be no Chinese 'coup' that disrupts the major flow of China through modern history, Strelok.
>>30685 >There will be no Chinese 'coup' that disrupts the major flow of China through modern history, Strelok. Maybe not a coup, but if a bunch of true believers are all vying for power at once and the current reigning emperor chairman keels over they'll kick the shit out of one another until only one remains, who will then proceed to blame all collateral damage on his defeated opponents, and it doesn't necessarily have to be combat-related damage.
>>30685 >There will be no Han coup Corrected for you.
>>30685 I don't care about your one imaginary friend. The average Chinese dgaf about CCP, and most in the CCP are only in it for wealth. As soon as things go wrong, they'll abandon it like the Chinese did Confucian rites. >muh heaven/emperor/god, blah blah This is obviously exaggerated and dramatized, as with frog internet's God Emperor Trump memes. They obviously haven't thought this way since Taiping and Qing went up in smoke. You're clearly a retarded commie shill. Don't spread your lies here.
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>>22101 chinamutts are still in a civil war, Taiwan is actual the real chinese anyway. The ones ruling in china are mongolian /manchurian rape babies. Did you know 1/3 of china is already considered seceded ?
>>30947 >the ones ruling in china are mongolian /manchurian rape babies. To be fair Taiwan's original natives were mostly wiped out and the ones standing there are mongol migrants running from the manchus.
shill shill
>>30947 The Democratic Progressive Party holds the super majority of "real" china
>>30947 >real chinese Real chinese weren't real from a long time and if taiwan are going to get a reality check if they keep being western's whores.
>>30973 I think the CCP are basically the bugmen devil and even I have to agree with this statement.
I check back and see how this board is doing after and stopped being a vol, and MAN you newfags really ruined the board.
>>30986 Fuck off.
>>30986 Cry more faggot. It's the admins fault for keeping low quality poltards when he could have been rid of them from the outset
>>31092 >Being this new
>>31098 Why do so many people think that "minority culture" (outside of America) only means a slightly different accent, a bunch of funny outfits and dancing? The Chinese people outside of Han China practically govern themselves in a way that runs counter to the central government. Tibet is really unruly and they Uyghurs were on that road hadn't the CCP crushed them. Southern Chinese are more in line with other South East Asia people but really like Northern gibs.
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>>31154 Most people (even fellow anons) can't see past skin-deep differences and neither have the understanding nor the desire to actually understand what makes a culture a culture past shallow ideals. Of those that do understand it better, many still try to tie it back to shallow concepts like nation and country to avoid harder questions that they don't want to hear the answers to. Culture is a system of values and ideas that you are born into/raised with or grow into over many years. Most anons and normalfags have no culture, or are part of the globalist culture, so those "funny accents/outfits/dances" which are expressions of cultural pride get misconstrued as being the culture itself by such shallow individuals, many of which will likely agree with me without realizing they ARE the shallow cultureless swine.
Why the fuck is everyone coping about China all the time? The west has been downplaying them and saying they'll collapse soon for decades.
>>31193 I agree with you, anon.
>>31193 >anime Didn't read.
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>>31193 >Most people (even fellow anons) can't see past skin-deep differences All I know is that Heilbronn is situated atop Hell and Germans from the mythical lands beyond Hohenlohe aren't really people unless they're rich with actual foreigners being such an incomprehensible usually government sponsored oddity they're mostly left alone. Also my village's Holocaust memorial is better than that of the unworthy Sw*bian man-cattle 3km downstream.
>>31154 >Why do so many people think that "minority culture" (outside of America) only means a slightly different accent, a bunch of funny outfits and dancing? Globalniggers and the American Empire spread the propaganda that "culture" isn't more so they can pretend there is unity among humanity and we have a common ground of morals with different cultures, when in the reality there is non. They do this, so they can pretend that their codex of ideology and morals(democracy, humanism etc.) is the universal rule all humans have to obey and that they have moral justifications to attack and conquer anyone who doesn't obey the rules. >>31201 >The west has been downplaying them and saying they'll collapse soon for decades. China has a history of collapsing. Every time they got a new Dynasty, it was because the country was collapsing under their retarded culture and their market has crashed so often in history, that it isn't funny anymore. Every time they or their economy collapses it invigorated the European economy. It's like a desert country waiting for the rain season.
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>>29919 It baffles me as to why Brazil is still in BRICS despite constantly having their industry fucked by Chinks and Poo's, sure NAFTA and the EU;SSR isn't exactly great either but that's besides the point. What was even their original goal for joining that trade union thingy anyway? Did that happen when their former commie president Dilma was in power? Regardless I don't necessarily think they should quit being a member, after all BRICS Isn't nearly as catchy but perhaps diversify your trading partners so they aren't constantly getting screwed. Are Huelanders just easily dupped or was it to balance out some of Uncle Sams fuckery?
>>31426 Brazil has every reason to be a world power... if not for all the niggers, power Jews, and communists... wait that's just like the USSA and EUSSR.
China will rise to be the first power in the world if they manage to avoid war with a nuclear power. The satanists want the EUSSR to be the center of the neocommunist world order though, so they might arrange a nuclear war.
>>31434 The pre-columbian tribes really aren't a big problem. The niggers are by far Brazils biggest downside. >>31435 The USSA is far more likely to collapse than China tbh. China has been rising since 1900. Britain should have colonised the place while they could have... it would be like mega Hong Kong now if they did.
>>31426 >It baffles me as to why Brazil is still in BRICS despite constantly having their industry fucked by Chinks and Poo's Because the other options fuck them without lube.
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https://archive.ph/vF76Y According to Chinese propagandist sources, China's cities are giving the national government the middle finger in regards to the housing market which has been collapsing since last September and are saying no to the three red lines policy. All you need to understand is that the housing market, the only means for Chinese citizens to invest money, is in freefall since September after a three red lines policy was passed to crack down on construction oligarchs who were going to crash the economy with no survivors. However the three red lines policy effectively bankrupted several of the big players and if those policies go away, instead of being in freefall China will be back to unsustainable growth/inflation that will also bankrupt the nation when a hard collapse happens (just 5-10 years down the line). These cities are directly going against the CCP who is trying to prevent complete economic collapse via austerity, but the national government can't tell them to fuck off since otherwise they won't meet financial quotas (several cities simultaneously). Needless to say it's a hilarious mess for the bugmen. >Fuzhou, the capital of southern Fujian province, last week started allowing non-locals to buy homes in the city without providing any proof of mandatory residency or pension fund as security, a departure from regulatory norms. Quzhou, in eastern Zhejiang province, last week lifted curbs on buying and selling. >The move mirrors similar measures across several mainland cities including Zhengzhou in central Henan province and Harbin in northernmost Heilongjiang province as local officials look for ways to replenish their depleted finances and fund projects to meet economic growth targets. >“After Zhengzhou and Harbin issued large-scale loosening measures, we did not see any sign of official resistance, suggesting the central government was not opposed to them,” said Yan Yuejin, director of the Shanghai-based E-house China Research and Development Institute. “So we will see more cities, especially those with dormant home sales, follow in their footsteps.” >More than 60 municipal authorities started easing property restrictions in the first quarter, according to a note on Sunday by the China Index Academy, a real estate research firm. They included lower down payments, cheaper mortgage-financing costs and financial support for cash-starved developers. >Zhengzhou became the first mainland city to ease restrictions for people who work in the city without hukou, allowing them to buy a second home from this month. Harbin last month scrapped a rule that forbade new owners from selling homes within three years of buying. >In Quzhou, the authorities have now allowed non-locals to buy a home in the city, while also removed a five-year holding period for resale. >While top policymakers have been careful with their approach to stimulating the industry, they have acknowledged the crisis by easing borrowing costs and pumping the financial system with more cash. The finance ministry has also decided not to expand a property tax trial in more cities this year, citing poor market conditions. >That could boil down to new challenges as sporadic Covid-19 lockdowns shut key manufacturing and commercial hubs and property showrooms
>>31426 Brazil doesn't want to be a slave to the World Bank and IMF, the BRICS bank allows Brazil to be somewhat free from American interference.
>>31435 >>31436 Maybe. I've heard they'd prefer to make China the center as the populatiin is easier to manage. Yurostan and Amerbrazil will probably be more chaotic and crime ridden, fine for their attempted division and control, but it may get too hot for their personal living. Btw, what about China makes wiggers and mutts seethe so much? Seems pretty ordinary as far as dystopias like America and Russia go.
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>>31462 For freedom-lovers, other authoritarian regimes still have Rule of Law and ultimately understand the weight of rulership. They tend to not directly meddle in the freeman's country's economics the way the Chinese do and they do not have a bugman mentality the way the Chinese do. China is a more existential threat to the freeman's way of life rather than the physical threats imposed by other shitholes. For slaves, China is somewhere where you can't speak your mind and the Chinese are openly and unapologetically racist, which makes them asshurt. Most slaves have a secret appreciation for the authoritarian rule by law that the Chinese officials are immune to and try to emulate it in their own countries. China represents a "corrupted" version of their utopia were they only the ones on top in the slave's frame of mind.
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>>31441 >started allowing non-locals to buy homes in the city without providing any proof of mandatory residency or pension fund as security >included lower down payments, cheaper mortgage-financing costs and financial support for cash-starved developers >scrapped a rule that forbade new owners from selling homes within three years of buying gee i wonder how this will end
>>31464 I see every other society full of insects wasting away. What is the simp-onlyfans connection if not insectoid? They had freedom and this is how they show they value it. Everywhere's full of butthurt racists, especially this forum. I'm not familiar with Chinese internet, but I've heard of their Elegant Gentlemen (gaoya renshi), which is their wild, toxic version of frog interneters.
>>31492 >Muh racis Move to Africa already anti-racist, it's cheap and affordable.
>>31464 >>31464 >>31492 The Chinese rebel on their internet whenever they can. Most Chinese don't care for CCP and aren't loyal to them. Most of them who move to the West avoid CCP. It's pretty clear transplanting a better political system could supercharge China into a nationwide HK economy and with actual civil contentment. Not globohomo democracy of course, but something authoritarian that isn't afraid of raising the standard of living.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-minister-quietly-approve-chinese-microchip-factory-takeover/ Lol at the bongs giving away their largest microchip factory to the Chinese practically for free.
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>>31505 Stephen Lovegrove seems like an absolute faggot. >Ministers have decided not to intervene in the takeover of Newport Wafer Fab, which makes semiconductors, following a review by the government’s national security adviser, Stephen Lovegrove. >More than six months after he was asked to examine the sale, Lovegrove concluded there were not enough security concerns to block it, according to two government officials. How many security concerns does it take? lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Lovegrove
>>31506 Obviously a Commie Kike plant, Anon. It's just part-and-parcel of life in the formerly-great, now Airstrip One. Ehh, we'll see how it all turns out for these bad guys in the end however. :^)
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Do you think that there is any chance of the Chinese ever going back to some kind of Imperial system?
>>31564 1, they are already imperial in all but name, 2, they'd be stupid to do so, considering the indecisive and stagnating civil planning that results in.
>>31524 >video You made me laugh Especially since the music is from a song known as "(To be) clear of mind" Oh the irony..... Should've been for the Taoists and not Confucious though.
Can someone repost the Chinese female ruler crap, especially the long greentext about Wu Zetian? I forgot to save it.
>>32271 >>>/meta/15518 R9k doesn't let me upload it here.
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So what happens to the great green wall if there's an economic collapse? It mostly consists of birch monocultures without any real life inhabiting the area and without even accomplishing the goal of making arable farmland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu_qTrxTEEA
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>>32332 >The Great Green Wall of China >The Great Green Wall of India >The Great Green Wall of Brazil >The Great Green Wall of Africa Why can't the greens call it something else? half of the time I don't know which project they are talking when someone says the Great Green Wall.
>>32332 There's been famines in China before. You can use that as a reference to what happens next
>>32280 Holy shit why are women so evil?
>>32393 They evolved to be selfish and manipulative, so that they can ensnare men around them. Of course there are men like that too, but men mostly evolved so that we beat each other up (literally and figuratively) until we have a reasonably stable hierarchy, so that we can get shit done.
>>32391 >2 billion civilians successfully eaten
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https://archive.ph/1iEXA How much of this is true?
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>>32813 Part 1 link: https://archive.ph/ZGFu7 Well it's Zerohedge so I'd like to say none of it, but the reporter seems to have done his research and it's mostly in line with my own observations, perhaps embellished. The Chinks have still been going full COVID lockdown mode while the rest of the world got over it, so unless civil war breaks out over there I can only see a path towards a food crisis.
>>31564 I think they are gonna stick with metric, they are not controlled by the eternal anglo after all.
>China trying to save face >Doubles down on zero-tolerance COVID policy >While the rest of the world has stopped giving a shit about it Wew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPu-gx7n38
>>33729 The purpose is to shut down their ports and bottleneck supply chains.
>>33915 Why? Makes no sense.
>>33915 So that they can lose all their customers to their enemies who are mass industrializing to meet the demand China left behind? This made sense for the first six(ish) months of COVID but we're two years in and it doesn't make any sense, anon. Their exports were the only thing propping up the domestic market so that shit didn't go tits-up like it is right now.
>>33729 >>33929 It's not the whole China that tries to save face, it's Xi Jinping and his clique alone. Internal party elections are coming up and if he doesn't win this one using Zero Covid policy then his years of effort on becoming a dictator for life by modifying the party rules to rule forever is doomed to fail.
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Apparently China is making sure that SEANigger countries begin to look like Kenshi over the next decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BIwTaZqlQ
If China tried to take Taiwan by force the US would intervene militarily, Biden has said. Again.
>>34754 I don't think either country is in a spot to go starting world wars but between China's collapsing economy and America stretching itself thin I don't think a Taiwanese war is on the table right now. Even the Great Reset folks understand that doing so right now would just start a civil war.
>>34758 >china collapse >us stretched thin These are both reasons why China would be more rather than less likely to to attempt to grow larger. Personally I think Japan's position on Taiwan is the real sticking point for China. >great reset crowd >implying civil war isn't part of the plan Also I don't think the great reset crowd carries much weight in Chinese military circles.
>>22101 I'm leaning towards no. China has not been present on the global stage during most of Covid while many leaders were gaining recognition for their handling of it, both positive and negative. It doesn't look good for China to stay isolated on global matters when they're trying to be the dominant global superpower. It doesn't help that the media wasn't able to shut down the lab leak theory and more people are getting on board with it. I mean we all know China covered it up, but normalfags are finally catching on. China's economy relies on slave labor, but due to supply chain issues, more countries are investing in domestic or closer manufacturing again to avoid more disruptions in the future. This is also bad as China built over their fertile farmland for warehouses. They built over so much if it that they actually import a lot of their food. There's also the issue of Taiwan. Even though China's invasion of Hong Kong didn't get much outrage, it was still a territory of China (despite their desire for independence) while Taiwan acts completely independently of mainland China and has done so for decades. China's invasion of Hong Kong further pushed Taiwan into wanting to avoid any agreement with China because they know they'll just get fucked and forced into reunification. If China actually invades Taiwan, China will lose a lot of international support and may see sanctions on the level of Russia. (As it is, China's "alliances" seem more like economic agreements rather than any formal alliance that would help them in the event of war.) For some reason their labor camps and genocide of Uyghurs don't get a lot of media attention, but if shit starts going bad for them, these will be brought up and used against them.
>>34760 Normally yes, however going to war during a famine involves losing face and Taiwan isn't enough to fix said famine so it will just create civil strife, while keeping their head low and supplying Russia will put them in a better position roughly six years from now to invade when Americans elect another Democrat. Then again I thought the rate at which congressmen are dumping money into Ukraine would be enough to cause civil unrest and there's a few months to prove whether I am right or wrong. I guess when we start seeing troops moving around it will be cleared up. >implying civil war isn't part of the plan It's not. Civil unrest is part of the plan but they would prefer to kill political dissidents overseas rather than at home where there's a risk of them successfully revolting.
>>22101 At very least, the current continuity of Chinese state did start after New Deal, which in turn put the big pants on after Soviet Union. Thus: all other things equal, we would expect them to end in this order too. Of course, those other things are never equal at all. But other than this, who knows? Sure, China doesn't look too dysfunctional from the outside, not has rivals that could make it sweat much, let alone crush it. But what of it? 30 years ago USA looked so strong from the outside, too. Right after winning the Cold War (by hook, by crook, or by default, depending on whom you ask), and nothing is going to stop the #1 superpower, and... and by now it almost died of cancer, with no cure in foreseeable future. Oops. From the outside, the only obvious question is: why do their bosses push utterly phantasmagorical crap like "social credit"? Are they fixing what works well... or does it NOT work well for them? Hmm. The only ones who can tell what's up are the Chinese, but they aren't going to tell. And even they could not tell which trends are important and which aren't, due to the aberrations of proximity.
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>>22102 tl;dr faget
>>34972 Said the moonrune reader.
>>34815 If China invades Taiwan--wait they're already doing this with intermarriages. They've probably already won most of the Taiwanese elites' hearts and minds already. >>35003 Out of the way bucko, drinking bro coming through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43_O9kJu6Hw
Aging is a problem. But it is not just a problem for China, it is a common problem for all developed countries in the world. China can learn from Japan and South Korea, which are ahead of it, to cope with aging. Even if pensions are insufficient, the Chinese will not collapse under any circumstances. You have completely underestimated the potential of the Chinese people to endure suffering and the ability of the Communist state apparatus to control the flow of information and social stability. Take the Wuhan virus, for example, where China, using its totalitarian system and the slavish nature of its population, can do repeated clearances that no Western country can do, not even fellow Eastern countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Imagine a country that can go to this level of hysteria over an enhanced version of the flu, what else do you think China can't do.
When China started winning almost all the gold medals in mathematical and physical Olympiads two or three decades ago, it was time for the West to realize the crisis. Today, people of Chinese descent have flooded research institutions, universities and technology companies in the West, especially in America. while local Americans are still obsessed with their stupid topics like identity politics, race wars, and "diversity" issues, the Chinese are spending every moment thinking about defeating/weakening America, meanwhile silencing domestic every dissenting voices, building a iron wall of single ideologicay. Since Xi came to power he had purged all liberal and pro-Western voices on their intranet, nationalism and extreme statism are prevailing. It evem doesn't even take the Communist Party to do anything, every Chinese is watching everyone else to report "Western spies" to get a government reward of tens thousands of USD. The only nations that can deal with China are the Koreans and Japanese, but their population is too small. And The West is not only underpopulated, but stupid and divided as shit. Essentially fighting China, you are fighting 5 Imperial Japans at same time (which was twice the size of Japan today).
>>36249 >Aging is a problem. But it is not just a problem for China, it is a common problem for all developed countries in the world. The difference is that in many first world problems, the aging question is an urban issue or regional issue, not a nation-wide issue (it is a nation-wide issue because of taxes, but once ideologically outnumbered the state benefits will be cut; Socialists are already losing core voting blocs to age and infertility). In China the only people having kids seem to be the oppressed minorities that hate Han Chinese. >You have completely underestimated the potential of the Chinese people to endure suffering This isn't the 30s where everyone is a rural farmer, Chang. I don't underestimate their subconscious desire to cannibalize one another I question their ability to stay relevant on the world stage while doing so. I don't care about Chinese killing one another the same way I don't care about the Tatmadaw killing urban dwellers. >Chink virus Cucking them militarily and making them impotent on the world stage during a time when China should be DOMINANT in world politics. China imports their grains too, so they're to be hit hardest by the food shortages after two years of shit harvests and crop burning. >Today, people of Chinese descent have flooded research institutions, universities and technology companies in the West Yes that's ultimately a "good" thing if they can do the job and not report trade secrets back to the mainland. The lack of responsibility is the core issue. >Internet purges Making the populace militantly nationalist without any realism is how you get complete societal collapse. This isn't starship troopers and there is no existential threat from a non-human entity (unless you count the bug people of China as non-human entities which I do not even if I call them bug people because of mentality). >5 Imperial Japans at the same time With an actual technological level on par with muskets. Look how that went for the Soviets until their buddies showed up during WWII. China doesn't have any buddies since they pissed off everyone. At best they have insurance in the form of aligned hatred for the West coming from Russia who is about to overtake China over in Africa.
>>36270 Your rebuttal is pretty feeble. The fertility rate in each country is a national issue. When we compare fertility rates in different countries, we don't take data from individual city regions. Every western country is aging and the only solution is to bring in large numbers of foreign immigrants, but that leads to the disintegration of nation states and social instability, especially in "democracies" and areas where the internet is not controlled and censored. This is worse than just aging. I don't care that you don't care about Chinese. I just want you to know that the vast majority of Chinese people will never have the idea or conception of rebelling against the government, even if they are locked up at home and starving to death by anti-pandemic policies, Let alone pension fund collapsing. On the other side, China has caught up with the US in many aspects of technology, such as artificial intelligence, drones, electric cars, and smartphones. You know why Japan's trade surplus has dropped dramatically in recent years? because it is in the same ecological niche as China in manufacturing and is losing out to the competition. The next victims are likely to be South Korea and Taiwan. As for Europe and the United States? You guys had lost manufacturing a long time ago. And the service sector has no role during a war. You expect a bunch of lawyers, lgbt fashion designers and Hollywood pop stars to stop Russia from invading Ukraine? I'm laughing my ass off.
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>>36448 >angry bug noises You will never be a human being.
>>36448 You're right on pretty much all accounts. That other anon is clearly a seething lunatic, and underinformed on several points. China's SCO (Shanghai Pact) is the prelude to an Asian NATO and has a powerful ally in Russia (world's largest nuclear arsenal, not to mention China's own nukes) to say the least. The Saudis recently made China their major oil partner and are now accepting yuan. The Chinese own billions worth of euros in businesses and entire towns in London and the rest of the UK, not to mention the rest of Europe. Most of Europe's good real estate, but they can make the UK a second Tang dynasty Japan. >the vast majority of Chinese people will never have the idea or conception of rebelling against the government True, but enough can make enough of a fuss to cripple China's economy. Speaking of which, how are the Chinese dealing with baizuo ideology? As Jinping said, it is a serious threat that collapsed the West, so how are anti-Chinese and nationalist elements combatting each other over the issue?
Here's a way China can bring its aging population under heel: Plan a 9/11 event. Instill fear and sobriety into its population and make them compliant. Group old people into facilities to make them more manageable. Use sociable young people suitable for caring for them. Sociable bailan can be used too, but you don't want frustrated bailans near the vulnerable. What other useful jobs could bailans be feasible for?
>>36523 As anon pointed out this is something China can do even in the open. They probably don't even need a 9/11 event (ie, Uighurs), just keep banking on covid propagandas and mass produce fences to seal perimeters. The West can't do this (yet), to their benefit and advantage, but a radical rightist group could change all that. Look at the Trump worship that came from SCOTUS gutting abortion rights. They have something to believe in, and righteous insurrection just might happen.
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>>36448 >It's a national issue Yes. A national issue of ideological replacement. That's why I pointed out that American and European birth rates along political/socioeconomic/racial lines are leaning towards stability over time outside of urban centers, while in China, with only the ethnic minorities without a voice having kids, it is moving towards political instability. I'm not pulling the race card to talk race or anything equally silly, I'm just saying that only the groups who will lead to political instability (out of resentment towards Han and the CCP) are having kids in China. Their intellectuals are mass fleeing to Western countries right now, which is bad for China even if it's "good" short-term by helping their reputation/espionage efforts since the West and China have different ideals (and the last time Western ideals went to China they formed the CCP). >On the other side, China has caught up with the US in many aspects of technology, such as artificial intelligence, drones, electric cars, and smartphones. I'm not sure I'd call "you can do whatever you want over here so long as you hand over the schematics" the same as technological development. Like the Japanese you mentioned, it reeks of that region's excellence at optimizing technology but being unable to actually develop their own. A model Japan has been moving away from for the last 30 years towards actual innovation after realizing the flaws in that system. >You know why Japan's trade surplus has dropped dramatically in recent years? Because they've been experiencing deflation for 30 years compared to China's inflation (a good thing even if the Japanese government hates it), and have been returning to a domestic cash-based market which looks bad on official numbers even if it's much more stable. >The next victims are likely to be South Korea and Taiwan. Fuck both Koreas and the only reason Taiwan doesn't get the boot is geopolitical. >As for Europe and the United States? You guys had lost manufacturing a long time ago. You joke about that, but then what does it say for China when they're increasingly outsourcing to SEA countries and expanding in the service sector while their manufacturing/industrial sector is rapidly sinking? Brah China's literally following a case-by-case model for the Japanese housing market collapse of the late 80s. The difference is that collapse happened over the course of 15 years and lead to a lost decade. China's advanced in a similar path in the course of three years and the level of debt involved makes the Japanese collapse look like a drop in the bucket which could lead to a lost century (or complete collapse). >>36522 >China's SCO (Shanghai Pact) is the prelude to an Asian NATO and has a powerful ally in Russia I'm not denying that. I'm just pointing out that who was supposed to wear the collar and who was supposed to wear the leash are likely to flip-flop right now.
What would be a sufficient incentive for Han Chinese to breed, supposing that's what CCP wanted? CCP has carrots. It seems they're intent on lowering China's population to 700 million anyway, since the populace is full of useless eaters anyway. For their minorities, allowing them to breed at a faster rate is just a concession while they still screw those minorities over in economics and education. Those minorities have vigor that the Han take in as they interbreed with them. Han Chinese, especially their bailan, are feeling ennui as a civilization despite not having reached first place as a superpower yet.
>>36562 >What would be a sufficient incentive for Han Chinese to breed, supposing that's what CCP wanted? The main contributing factors keeping young people from fucking in China are the gender imbalance (not enough women) and the wealth inequality skewed towards older people, in part because of the one-child policy. There's not much that can be done about the urban issue, but incentivizing child rearing through maternal-specific safety nets and encouraging immigration of women to China would go a long way. The wealth inequality issue isn't solvable in my opinion because the titanic has already struck the iceberg and we're just waiting until the ship sinks (the only solution but one that would be very bad for the CCP). Dunno man, I know economics, but I'm not an economist and the only solutions involve pulling out the knives/arrows already stuck in the flesh.
>>36563 >Importing women (from SEA/East Europe) This would weaken the local region as a whole, which would be bad for China in the long run, since China has severe weaknesses they should leave to allies to cover for. For one, they're not very athletic or nautical in spirit. They'll need more naturally decisive and ship worthy allies to learn from when they finally have serious wars. I think the issue of wealth and liberals can be combined. Find Western and liberal sympathizers, make them fair game for the government and their rivals to purge. Of nationalists, target the particularly dumb, useless, and wasteful to purge. Again, fake virus lockdowns, and the passivity of the common people give a huge advantage. Distribute the stolen wealth to the young, favoring the loyal. Incentivize loyalty from the remaining young by using the remaining pool of wealth for recruitment programs.
So is China's population shrinkage an actual political threat? Because like anons said, they can be more brutal on their people. It just sounds like Western propaganda to try to fool China into forcing swarthoids into the country. And the only reason Western countries let those immigrants in is because Jews put both Westerners and swarthoids in serious debt, forcing politicians to put their hands in the Jewish bag of tricks. I've heard China is Jew controlled. I don't know, but if they were once Jew manipulated for the Soviet period, they aren't taking top-down LGBT or immigrant nonsense like everywhere else.
>>36649 Historically speaking, people aren't willing to take life unless they are making life. If you don't believe in rights, liberty, or any other American ideals you can still point to the fact that America is rapidly losing its ability to wage war because the soldiers lack soul, and the numbers reflect this. Nowhere is this sayong more obvious than in Ukraine where hopes of insurgency are being dashed because Ukrainians have a dwindling population and no strong ideals they stand by (which is why they rely on their nationalist institutions to raise the war spirit, much to the annoyance of Western leaders who don't want to admit it). Yes, China has a large enough population to throw people away for the next ten years, but it is a direct threat to their expansionist policy and they are approaching a point of no return that took America 80 years in the course of about 30-40. The Chinese nationalists are a vocal minority, but even they aren't having enough kids to meet the PLA army's demands. I just want to point out the humor of the acronym PLA in relation to 3D printing. The plastic army, heh. China has maybe one or two good wars before it becomes possible for other countries to wrest territory from them based on pretty much every similar situation in the last five decades. I don't buy into the narrative that somehow their brutality and fringe Chink nationalism is going to let them accomplish what nobody else could when they are rapidly degenerating faster than anyone else could. Honestly China needs Jesus. Or at least some kind of spiritual enlightenment movement to reinvigorate them.
Why don't the Chinese use the population they're trying to get rid off, useless old people and everyone past the 700 million essential personnel mark, for colonizing pushover nations like Canada, Australia, Malaysia, Central Asian -Stans?
>>36739 Because the old people are how the party remains in power sort of like how 50% of millennials and 70% of Zoomers support civil war, but 80% of Gen X and 90% of Boomers oppose it (not the literal numbers but close to them in polling) interpret that about a dozen different ways). Plus you need young people to populate foreign regions because you want them to fuck and have kids. Old people are good for holding defensive positions since they don't have to move around much, but they are shit for offensive operations in war.
>>36649 Politically? No, they can just continue playing up the nationalism angle, which seems to be working. The minute they begin importing foreigners is the minute the nationalism card stops working. Besides, it wouldn't work without a serious indoctrination push, the China Chinese are notoriously discriminatory against even overseas-born Chinese, what more some subhuman from bumfuck nowhere? No, the real threat is the lack of warm bodies to fuel China's industry. It's not just the one-child policy coming to bite them in the ass, it's also the absolutely fucked up environment in China ensuring the would-be rural babymakers enjoy a burgeoning infant mortality rate, and also the 996 working culture in most cities squeezing people hard enough to not want to make babies. On top of all these, Xi hasn't managed to consolidate power as much as he'd like. The next decade is going to be very interesting.

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