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Julay (at the moment) is down. Strelok 09/30/2019 (Mon) 05:18:13 No. 2
I'll make this thread so that if any stelo/k/ remembers this place can see it, hopefully in the frontpage.
Hello, I guess with vch's shutdown julay started to get even more hiccups.
Kinda dubious, I'll bump this to remind strelo/k/s this place exists
Can I post again?
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Hello /k/frens
henlo budys
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whaddup my niggers
Sup, gunfuckers?
BO here, good job finding the backup without being spoonfed. We aren't moving yet but keep this location in mind.
Any retard who couldn't find julay within the first week is probably too dumb to come here.
>>11 Is jualy down for you? I'm getting a 502 bad gateway.
>>12 Yup, I'm getting the same thing
Is Julay kill?
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Reporting in Julay is fugged
I can't get on Julay anymore. Did it get nuked by the CIA?
You can go on their alt domain: spqrchan.xyz, but after the jannies got ousted is that such a good idea?
>>17 I think it’ll probably be comfy here.
welcome to the "new" bunker, lads
>>19 I'm confused. I can load julay again but the actions with regards to /v/ make me think it's time we left anyway. Are we moving?
>>20 Yeah, we're moving. There's too much heat going on with julay and the constant website downtime is getting pretty fucking annoying.
We need new weapons, and by weapons I mean imageboard technology.
>>24 Maybe the real weapons were the friends we made along the way.
>>20 >the actions with regards to /v/ Most obvious attempt to shut down a place i've ever seen, flooded by outsiders pretending to be insiders and making a made-up consensus about the administration helped by a rogue BO after the previous one left due to CP spam and one of the globals confusing orders. It's scary how none of the guys at the top realized what was going on, makes me wonder if the mods and BOs even browse their own boards.
What a mess.
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I'm not a /k/non, but I wish you fellas good luck.
>>27 I was present during the whole thing, mate, I could be wrong, but this is what I perceived from the others and the BO himself that was present: >Previous BO gets assblasted by shitposters and forfeit >New BO is shill as fuck and allows lolis again >Some (((people))) don't like this and starts spamming CP >One of the global vols is against loli so seems like he doesn't want to help the situation against it >Same with the other global vols >BO instead tries his best >He actually manages seems it seems like it's just one autist >Everything seems to go back to normal >Suddenly Julay goes down As I said, that's my take on things based on what the BO himself posted from the chat logs with the gvols and his interactions with us. We were all having a blast ignoring and reporting the assblasted glownigger. Shame this had to happen. Here's archives for the third meta thread: http://archive.is/ZoeGn There's a 4th meta thread archive, but I wouldn't post it because there is an autist posting minors, and although not nakes or anything, I still wouldn't risk it. Fucking anti-loli faggots has to spam CP to prove that loli fags are the true pedophiles.
>>28 It's happening all over again. https://invidio.us/watch?v=RrkzIN2eP0U We're never breaking free from the cycle. This community will always be on the run, hunted by the powers that be.
>>27 >after the previous one left due to CP spam Your timeline is all fucked. CP spam didn't start until two different other shitstorms happened. First the Last of Us 2 threads which made the old BO ragequite, then the lolicaust.
>>30 >>New BO is shill as fuck Freudian slip?
Here's a real summary. >/v/ BO can't handle it and steps down >Hanging flesh, a gvol, appoints /japan/ and I think /2hu/ BO as new BO of /v/ in the meantime >BO explicitly allows loli, something that was already allowed >Hanging flesh spergs out because he thinks loli is global banned and /delicious/ is still behind a torwall, when neither of these things are true >Goes on a massive global banning spree and deletes many posts and threads >Robi shows up, clarifies Hanging Flesh is retarded and loli is a-okay, and the site is down for maintenance while Robi tries to restore the threads in spite of lynxchan's shit software >Of the 16 threads deleted, only 2 can be restored Shit's pretty retarded. This fag was weeks behind on major site issues and how global rules worked. Left unchecked, he could have nuked and perma'd large portions of /hgg/ because he thought loli was a no-no. He only didn't out of pure incompetence of not knowing what was being posted on the site he's a gvol for. Well, I say "vol", but this nigger is paid to do this. I don't trust Julay administration a bit, and the sooner the main /hgg/ site can move to somewhere else with a non-cucked host/registrar, the better. Who knows when retardation like this will crop up again in the remaining 2 1/2 months and whether it will threaten /hgg/ instead of /v/? And then the saga continues >New BO is heh pilled and pins an anti-rule cucked celebration meta thread >Some spam ensues, but things are fine for a while, with new BO Kimemaru not really moderating >Some fag starts posting child models and straight out CP >HangingFlesh and at least one other vol, the previous /v/ BO I believe, mutually agree not to delete the "child pics" on /v/ despite it being a global responsiblity to do so for even near DOST violations >Kime leaks this IRC faggotry >Kime is banned from IRC >Kime continues to leak the IRC circlejerk faggotry anyways >HangingFag claims plausible deniability about not deleting CP by saying he was referring the to the clothed images >There were no global bans for CP on /v/ in the meantime while Kimemaru worked tirelessy to quickly delete the pedospam on sight >HangingFag claims Kime accused him of posting the CP himself when Kime did nothing of the sort >Robi wakes up and defends HangingFag poorly >Robi gives HangingFag "One last chance", again. >Robi tries to shift blame to Kimemaru for "slandering" HangingFag >Bickering ensues and in the end, Robi decides to ban just toddlercon because ???? >Meta threads become funposting threads with the occasional CP spam and continue until one of Julay's domains goes down >Robi bans Unteralterbach but not really >Meta threads continue funposting threads without the occasional CP spam until Julay is kill
Literally in between posts when spqr went down
>>32 >TLOU2 thread >people start wondering how such shit could be made >suddenly this is politics and therefore a crypto-GG thread worthy of deletion >this shitfest ensues This is why mods should learn about taking it easy
>>33 Probably, but here's a better summary anyway >>34 the new BO plastered the board with 2hu, since he was in fact the BO of /2hu/. But nobody really complained since you could still talk about video games. >>34 >Robi shows up, clarifies Hanging Flesh is retarded and loli is a-okay Based Robi. Jimbo could learn a thing or two. >Robi wakes up and defends HangingFag poorly >Robi gives HangingFag "One last chance", again. >Robi tries to shift blame to Kimemaru for "slandering" HangingFag This is your own scenario, r-right, anon?
>>36 It wasn't even political, it was mostly shitposting and people discussing what could have led to that shit, which is, well, current politics indeed.
>>38 >This is your own scenario, r-right, anon? <>Robi wakes up and defends HangingFag poorly <>Robi gives HangingFag "One last chance", again. These are on point, yes. Robi repeatedly claimed that HangingFag just "misinterpreted" his mandate to not ban loli as to not ban real child pics. I don't know why he tried this reasoning. Nothing anywhere implies such a mistake was made. <>Robi tries to shift blame to Kimemaru for "slandering" HangingFag This part I can't remeber clearly and felt more like a paraphrase of the implications Robi made. He basically implied that the Kime was grossly misrepresenting what HangingFag said, when Kime posted direct leaks of the IRC logs. They were plenty damning on their own, even if HangingFag was only referring to leaving the non-CP child model pics up out of spite.
>>30 >New BO is shill as fuck and allows lolis again He's the one who gave the previous BO the "hehpill" aka he told him not to moderate other than the global rules, this is in a board functioning as de-facto successor for a previous board known for its content moderation. >Some (((people))) don't like this and starts spamming CP Spam happened earlier, hence why the guy forfeited and due to lack of available candidates due to them forfeiting earlier the global gave the board to the current BO >One of the global vols is against loli so seems like he doesn't want to help the situation against it Site domain had a problem due to /delicious/, hence why Robi made that board TOR only and gave the order to delete all loli content in western style especifically, when the domains changed this was reverted but came with the fact Robi also wanted to cull the site anyways to avoid more problems, hence the countdown, so in the middle of that drama "it seems" some vols didn't get the new memo. >BO instead tries his best I had a board there and used to enter the IRC to ask about specific situations regarding rules (DOST test performance, talking to the previous BO owner about something) and i saw the current owner, he gave me the impression he was trouble, he even identified himself as kind of a "goon" but to me he was just a wacky old school /cow/boy, so i'm in the middle of him being a sleeper agent or just someone who doesn't take the internet as srs bsnss. >Everything seems to go back to normal Old threads had many users claiming they were ditching the board altogether since a week or so, i don't see your old users going to other boards while new ones are coming in as something "normal", even the PPH went from 160's to 430's in their peaks, taking into account it was at 30, 2 to 3 weeks ago. What happened in /v/ is something i have only read about in very bad situations, user replacement going on with a power switch at the top that suddenly made all the administration turn their backs onto the new man and said guy becoming belligerent by creating a new narrative that the new userbase was parroting, and by new i mean few people knew who Robi, JCaesar or Dolphin were. >>32 TLoU2 threads were being made in masse, this is normal in a /v/ thread but let me remind you that board had rulings against 4pm, Friday and GG threads... why? because it's hereditary from /vg/. How do the TLoU2 threads relate to that? because they were used as strictly industry talk with a bit of circlejerk aka they were GG threads in all but name, ruling is clear here and had to be deleted along with being duplicates. This is textbook /vg/ but the new users went haywire because these were rulings only users from said old place understood and lived with over the past months, political discussion was not banned but needed to come as product of a topic. After those thread deletions started happening the new pest started spamming new ones and as response loli was also posted to mess with the vols, this is the tipping point of the whole thing because someone didn't read the domain change new rulings and started deleting loli erroneously, when said thing happened CP was then deployed. Shortly the BO stepped aside and this stopped, and resumed again when the new drama arose.
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>>35 It's dead Strelok.
>>34 >but this nigger is paid to do this He's the Guntstream main guy and also the one managing donations and merch, he's not paid to be vol, he's a founding member who was given privileges by Robi to manage outside things. Due to drama i don't fully know many vols quitted and he was the only one left, wanted to give a hand and spilled all the spaghetti in the pot.
>>41 >TLoU2 threads were being made in masse The first one hit the bump limit and some dumb nigger made another immediately because there were no clear rules on dupe threads. Muses locked both becuase "ni/gg/ers" and anons proceeded to spam in protest. >political discussion was not banned but needed to come as product of a topic. You mean like The Pozz of Us 2? This is beyond /a/ levels of burying one's head in the sand. Talk about videogames, but not about the people making them or what's in them because muh "ni/gg/ers".
>>41 >political discussion was not banned but needed to come as product of a topic As the time the new BO stepped in, there was only 1 TLoU2 thread on, and it was pure shitposting about it. Of course it was going to be political, the reason TLoU2 turned the way it is is political, after all.
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Nomads in strange lands.
Why the fuck is everyone so autistic now? Every online community is just insanely self destructive now. Retarded drama bullshit happens, people freak out, and the next thing you know everything is deleted. I think this is the third community I was involved in that went down this same path in the last three weeks alone. It should not be hard to just work out problems and not destroy everything to do so.
>>40 >Robi tries to shift blame to Kimemaru for "slandering" HangingFag The BO was posting IRC chats and positioning himself as opposition to the administration while also booting a new janitor from his position previously, in which he did not return, because his board was hehpilled and that dude was just cleaning posts. >>44 >Muses locked both becuase "ni/gg/ers" and anons proceeded to spam in protest. Yes, that is correct. >Talk about videogames, but not about the people making them or what's in them because muh "ni/gg/ers". Yes, that is true. Are you new? do you want me to redirect you to WaybackMachine archives of the old /vg/ place so you can see the rules? We can debate if those rules are retarded or not but they were the board rules from there to JW/v/ which became the defacto /vg/ successor because Mark didn't restore the board in 8k.
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>didn't post for several days while getting shit done >site fucking implodes What does this even mean?
>>19 What I saw: >TLoU2 leaks start up with a few normal threads >after the third or fourth one another one appears with a very low effort OP and mostly just devolved into a /pol/-lite thread literally just an OP for laughing at reddit and there was another thread in the catalog with a reddit screencap for the OP >old BO overreacts and bans the entire topic instead of just using a cyclical or fixing the OP to actually have the content >this causes some existing anons to call him a retard (again) and a lot of the 8kun rapefugees who showed up after mark was fired to sperg out harder now they can smell a chance to replace the BO with someone they'd prefer instead >BO quits because of this sperging >reading between the lines he was also pretty stressed since he had previously experimented with a 'no rules but globals' policy a few weeks before which had resulted in the board devolving into shilling and discordfags spamming to see what they could get away with And then: >Robi and his IRC circlejerk need a new BO >pick the BO of /2hu/ because he's in the IRC and that's all the qualification that's required >new /v/ BO proceeds to completely change the rules and way /v/ runs including bringing back the 'no rules but globals' shit tried only a month before except this time for some reason huge numbers of similar posts appear supporting this move like the entire userbase had changed its opinion in a few weeks or more likely someone was coordinating this spam from a discord or two >also fires all existing vols, changes the CSS and starts a meta thread so he can attentionwhore >clear from all of this the new BO hasn't even been posting on /v/ and mostly just wants to namefag >these changes annoy many anons who had been using the board for months now and had settled into a nice routine >these changes also annoy some sperg who decides to spam loli or something >board is generally spammed by this sperg and by other groups like 8kun refugees who want to change the board to fit their views GG thread shows up again Here's where it gets unclear: >some other fags from the IRC are globals and refuse to remove anything illegal if the new BO won't moderate at all since if he's a lazy faggot they'll be lazy faggots too? >one of the other global vols in this IRC decides loli is pedo or something? >this fag is also helping bankroll julay so nobody can touch him >new BO creates 5+ meta threads and a bunch of side meta threads so he can post IRC screenshots about this instead of cleaning up the board because attention whoring namefaggotry >board is unusable for a few days between actual spam, CP and the BO himself flooding it with meta threads >eventually the IRC faggots make a truce or something gay like that >new BO continues to change how /v/ works (e.g. adding flags) without consulting anons, continues to attentionwhore and deflects any criticism with 'you're the anti-loli fag' mark-tier shenanigans And throughout all of this the main problem is not the spam but the fact the new BO is clearly an entirely unsuitable faggot who has basically fucked the entire board without first asking any of the anons on /v/ about any of the changes but because he's part of the circle-jerk IRC nothing will happen. This is exactly the sort of bullshit that took out halfchan where moot was listening more to his IRC than to his actual users and it's a major warning sign that the site is fucked.
>>47 >Every online community is just insanely self destructive now Tribalism and prejudice towards past actions that cannot be forgotten in an era with ill-defined borders. /a/ vs. /animu/, /v/ vs. /vg/-/svidya/, /g/ vs. /tech/, /christian/ vs. /christianity/, /pol/ vs. /int/, you know how it goes.
>>49 As far as I can tell that's some identityfag from /2hu/ or /japan/ who may or may not also be the new BO.
>>51 >/christianity/ What's the story behind this one?
>>48 >The BO was posting IRC chats and positioning himself as opposition to the administration Because the administration WAS acting retarded, and he was posting those screenshots as proof of said retardation, to the point hangingfag accused the BO of something the BO never said The userbase, including myself, were the ones theorizing that. There's no defending someone like hangingfag. >We can debate if those rules are retarded or not but they were the board rules from there to JW/v/ which became the defacto /vg/ successor because Mark didn't restore the board in 8k. New BO, new rules, and they were KINDA clear. The new TLoU2 threads were allowed, at the very least.
>>50 The second part of >>34 seems to clear up the bit I was confused about. I had no desire to read IRC screenshots and frankly teenager-tier drama like this shouldn't matter. What are the alternatives? I know for /v/ there's smug but that's a bit of a different style of julay and then there's the /animu/ vidya board I know nothing about. For /k/ there's here obviously.
>>50 >pick the BO of /2hu/ because he's in the IRC and that's all the qualification that's required Not to diss Robi and his crew but i was briefly considered to be the new BO because i logged in only once some time ago to talk to the previous BO to get a direct answer regarding some stuff and wondering that if he needed help i could vol the board for a couple hours when he was asleep. Really bring home the point that half of success is just "being there" Still the rest of that are the same things i saw.
I hope with this webring can finally get some fucking peace. /pol/, /cow/ and /v/ is cursed only fed, kikes or turbo autist can contain those board.
>>56 Being far it's very hard to get good BOs but handing it out to someone who had no regard for how the board already was is unacceptable. >>57 You can improve the quality of a /v/ replacement by giving it literally any name other than /v/. Even /vg/ will do as a lot of the faggots are permanent crossposters who can't work out that outside of halfchan /vg/ doesn't mean generals only. Hopefully the cancer will leave for 8chan.moe and the rest of us can get on with it.
>>53 I don't recall exactly how it went because it's somewhat complex but in the end some new BO came onboard, he was a strict catholic and any discussion that didn't go along catholicism was banned. So if he spotted them on debates regarding stuff like faith/actions, unitarian/trinitarian and the Virgin the guy would ban orthodox, protestants, anabaptists and so on and so on. Also put some catholics as jannies. The rest of them got mad and made their own board, and along the way many catholics also jumped ship because they didn't like the echochamber.
>>58 fair*
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>>57 /v/ is the Wandering Jew of the internet.
>>58 >You can improve the quality of a /v/ replacement by giving it literally any name other than /v/ Fat/v/ and 9gag/videogames/ pretty much prove that this is not the case, like it or not mod, vol and the userbase is what make a board good.
>>62 I mean it obviously takes more than just the name change. >fat/v/ Didn't really last long enough to draw conclusions. All new boards tend to look great for the honeymoon period as everyone is posting the initial threads.
>>17 >but after the jannies got ousted is that such a good idea? why would that have been a reason, friend?
>>27 >Most obvious attempt to shut down a place i've ever seen, this.
>>47 >Every online community is just insanely self destructive now. Rather an over-broad generalization. This one isn't for example, mine isn't.
>>27 >makes me wonder if the mods and BOs even browse their own board They don't because they just use IRC instead. This is a common pattern with many imageboards where those who become mods/vols have to be in IRC to coordinate and then they're in a live chatroom surrounded by fags with names and instant response but still with the same posting style/opinions as an imageboard. Once they're in that group they spend less and less time actually posting because why bother, they have a 'superior' replacement at their fingertips and anyway they have to waste so much time handling reports they don't have time to 'waste' reading any actual posts or engaging with the board as a whole. The ones who suffer from this IRC syndrome the most are always the site owners (moot, hotwheels, robi) who end up totally enclosed in this IRC and ignoring/hating the rest of the userbase for just seeming to cause them problems. Mark, for all of his other glaring flaws, was a bit of a hyrbid of this where there was (probably still is) a circle-jerk of vols around him but he was also de facto neet and spent all day in both that and posting on /v/. He did ignore threads on topics he disliked or timezones he wasn't awake for so it wasn't complete engagement and otherwise his lack of intelligence and self-awareness made him a terrible BO but his flaw wasn't being disconnected it was just being too dumb for the job.
>>62 >>63 I was one of the mods on fat/v/ and it was a glorious 2 weeks. We only deleted niggerpill and phil collins spam and had every intention to moderate as lightly as possible. The board felt like pre-2016 election /v/ again, it was amazing. I'm sad to see Fatchan go and I wish we'd had more of a chance to prove ourselves.
>>55 >What are the alternatives? Smug /vg/ was a makeshift successor but sports a couple of rules that make it tough to use. You cannot discuss physical individuals, just the games and their characters. Say if i wanted to talk about underrated devs like graphic designers like Peter Morawiec, you would get the nip. Also grammatical rules, i agree with enforcing that but it needs to come as a "cultural" thing with bullying instead of an actual week-long ban. /geimu/ is similar, very lax but enforces an only-japanese rule, so nothing western which rules out half the games. Antares /v/ i cannot say but i don't see nothing bad with it, it was made for Fatchan anons but sadly the guy who made that place didn't realize his peers are in the majority a bunch of crossposting retards who don't know how to add an add-on. It's viable and doesn't look like a scraper from dolphin. 9chan /v/ is Joshua Moon's turf, aka the guy who messed Infinity Next, aka the guy from KiwiFarms, aka the Pig Boy, aka a dude known for selling user data and scraping IPs, aka the guy who has to jump from country to country to escape something we don't know, aka the guy Freddit said had a big hurtcore CP stash that he sold in USBs. 8chan.moe is Mark Mann & Acidkike's turf, aka you know the drill with these guys. Also both have been confirmed fed contactees, with both providing information but i'm more worried about Acidkike than the Jewcykike. 08chan/Mil are slow and has the background catch that you can know who's who. Not really secure if the enemy is inside, someone can trace all your activity along the whole thing. If used for legal stuff and all your activity is in a couple of threads, yeah sure it's okay but very niche. Dolphinchan, well about that...
>>69 I don't doubt that was your intent anon, I'm just saying it's hard to keep that sort of thing up long term in this day and age. Once your board attracts enough anons to have some speed you also slowly attract a lot of dedicated autists using discord and VPNs to agenda-push and then the hands off moderation becomes harder and harder to stick to. These vary from literal shills pushing products to groups trying to slide a site towards one political view to fags from other imageboards just out to destroy the competition and that's before we talk about potential government agencies who want imageboards gone or limited to just neutered ones like halfchan. Also the longer you're up the better these groups get at gaming the limits since they'll push and push until they work out what's the most they can get away with while still being just under banability. >>70 Shit's not great for /v/ then. I know 8chan.moe suspiciously deleted its /vg/ after mark showed up to run /v/ then claimed it was just the BO somehow deleting it himself. I wouldn't touch a site mark is involved in anyway even if it claims to have a non-/v/ alternative. >Smug /vg/ was a makeshift successor but sports a couple of rules that make it tough to use. You cannot discuss physical individuals, just the games and their characters. Say if i wanted to talk about underrated devs like graphic designers like Peter Morawiec, you would get the nip. Also grammatical rules, i agree with enforcing that but it needs to come as a "cultural" thing with bullying instead of an actual week-long ban. Also echoes are autobanned so you can't talk about (((GDI))) correctly.
The fact that there is this much malice involved over who controls /v/ strikes me as unsettling and a little sinister. It's also a little funny that almost all the /v/iggers are back under cakekike's greasy thumb. Truly kikes are magical, even the retarded losers among them have this borderline godlike hold over their goyim herds.
>>70 >a bunch of crossposting retards who don't know how to add an add-on. Not having this just makes things comfier and simpler in the long run.
>>74 >>70 What add on?
>>69 To be honest that place was magical, but no one bother to check, the truth is fatchan owned by a tourist and it's foundation rest on sand and rotten wood.
>>73 I can't see mark himself being intelligent enough to pull this off. Possibly acid & co saw a chance to push out the old BO to replace him with a gg thread friendly BO and it backfired when robi just threw the /2hu/fag in charge instead.
>>62 >the userbase is what make a board good. And context. Fatchan userbase made their board pretty good but they are the ones who killed Julay's board. For me the real decider for quality is the BO's demeanor, if you think of it when you start using a new board you are basically replying taking into account the BO's personality and set of rules. It can change over time but that's the basis, hence why i think an invisible BO who trusts you are going to behave but is also extremely consistent with his ideals, even if they are strict, is the best option. >>69 >phil collins spam Jesus, he's been going at it for like, 5 years now? >>68 Agreed completely. Although i have to say Mark's engagement with the board activities coupled with his mental problems derived from being a jew are what made him so bad in the first place. Thank God our BO here has been good for almost a year now :^)
>>72 You from rts thread, know where the bunker now?
>>79 >You from rts thread, Yes. >know where the bunker now? No. I don't see anons crawling back to 8kun or 8chan.moe though so I'd rule those ones out. There was discussion in the rts thread about moving somewhere but I didn't check it for a few hours.
>>75 Antares uses an alternate DNS root, so you'd have to change your DNS settings to access it. You could either change the setting in your operating system like you're supposed to, or use an browser addon, or a proxy. https://wiki.opennic.org/start
>>80 yuichan? that place fishy as hell.
>>82 It looked decent, but I'm surprised it got as many posts as it did in a short time and complete obscurity.
>>82 Is it run by GDI?
>>82 I think that was it. Someone suggested some site with a /toy/ board or something like that but anons weren't keen. >>81 What are the pros and cons of this approach, out of interest? >>78 >Agreed completely. Although i have to say Mark's engagement with the board activities coupled with his mental problems derived from being a jew are what made him so bad in the first place. To add onto that post part of the problem is the history anons have with halfchan's collapse and how everyone has learned the wrong lessons. Moot's cucking out over GG etc was a symptom of the problems caused by his sitting in an IRC all day not the cause but anons only remember that symptom so they feel that any imageboard which allows the basics (loli, uncensored political discussion) is well run when actually we also need consistent moderation and BOs/owners who actually engage with the userbase.
>>70 /geimu/ allows all vidya, not just nip games.
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>>86 The Domain Name System is a pyramid. Your computer doesn't know where yahoo.com is so it asks your ISP. If they don't know, they ask the regional center. If they don't know, they ask the national center. If that one doesn't know, it goes to the topmost A server to check. This was fine and dandy when ICANN, managers of DNS, were fully under American control. Now they are flaming faggots who tried to sell off rights to .org names to a bunch of vulture capitalists so they could squeeze money out of savethepuppies.org and what not. OpenNIC rejects the ICANN authority over names and instead uses its own alternative names (such as .geek, .o, pretty much anything) and seeks to be owned by its users rather than by a private org. You can still navigate to 'normal' sites, but you'll also be able to reach those alternate domain names too.
>>79 >>80 You could try for a thread here, but I don't know if there's many other RTS anons in this thread. http://proxy.opennicproject.org/proxy.php?q=aHR0cDovL2FudGFyZXMub3NzL3YvY2F0YWxvZy5odG1s http://archive.is/is2n9 >>86 >What are the pros and cons of this approach, out of interest? One of the main goals of the OpenNIC project was DNS neutrality such as not censoring access to certain websites. OpenNIC domains also don't cost anything to register and renew, and many name servers do not log user data. The downside is that it's a nonstandard DNS root so you'd have to change your default DNS settings in your operating system (it's usually your ISP or Google by default). They unfortunately aren't supported by certificate authorities (for HTTPS certificates), and changing DNS settings is a major retard filter. Antares still has an onion address if you're more familiar with Tor. l2sv2h6eoxdu6y6s.onion
>>76 >the truth is fatchan owned by a tourist Bullshit. I was a part of what Tom was doing there for 8 months before you guys showed up. He was a diligent, attentive Admin, and an incredibly responsive software developer. He would listen carefully to our requests and then implement them. You think your 'magical' board just wrote itself friend? Also, Tom knew IB culture far better than most people I knew. I have no idea why he caved so quickly, but it certainly wasn't because he was a tourist.
>>72 >Also echoes are autobanned so you can't talk about (((GDI))) correctly. I didn't know that, surprised to be fair. >>73 >unsettling and a little sinister. Even if the movement has completely devolved itself into literal faggotry, the fact is GG is still a boogeyman between american game developers, especifically human resource and marketing departments who lost deals over that drama. The movement stopped existing years ago but they still hold imageboards at large as responsible for that, doesn't help they are ready to use shady methods to disrupt them because governments already catalogue some as "dens for militias and lone wolf incel shooters", so a small San Fagcisco digital firm won't hold their breath outsourcing a bunch of above-average pajeets to shit a place up for 20 dollars a day. The /v/ermin are a retarded herd of crossposting nigger cattle, it all just proves they were always a bad agent. >>87 Then they need to change that announcement. Wait, i cannot see it anymore, it said jap only now i'm seeing nothing other than the banner thread. Well that's very good, but i called it quits with vidya boards, won't post anymore until i see a blatant /vg/ alternative or when this burnt-off feeling goes away. I don't trust /animu/ after their Mark saga but i hope it establishes a good base, what anons need is some peace of mind.
>>88 Can we connect directly by IP?
>>88 Yeh I know how the current DNS system works. What I was wondering was how they decide on a source of truth instead. >OpenNIC rejects the ICANN authority over names and instead uses its own alternative names (such as .geek, .o, pretty much anything) and seeks to be owned by its users rather than by a private org. You can still navigate to 'normal' sites, but you'll also be able to reach those alternate domain names too. Right but how is this all handled for now? Like who's in charge at this point? And more relevantly what ensures they don't get bought out/subverted?
>>77 I didn't say he did it intentionally, it's just that his goy herd is magically attached to him and they always wind up back under his ass like some sort of fucked up drooling retard boomerang. It's a curse, curses are real, there's no other explanation.
>>91 >GG is still a boogeyman between american game developers And is a boogieman around the webring even after 5 years of irrelevance. How hard can it be to ignore shit, what happened to sage and move on?
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I don't think /hgg/ made it out, there's only a handful on anon.cafe. >>91 /geimu/ is supposed to be for /animu/'s userbase, not /v/'s if that makes sense. They don't want /v/ermin coming in to shit up the board. Also there is a /vg/ on 8chan.moe, but that's if you're willing to trust fedman.
>>93 >Right but how is this all handled for now? Like who's in charge at this point? And more relevantly what ensures they don't get bought out/subverted? They might be prone to the same faults as other free and open source organizations. Just that they're less established and just running alternatively configured DNS servers has less intrinsic value.
>>86 To add some more into that i have to say not only is IRC fagging bad but Freddit/Mark and famously moot used to hang IRL to the point they would hang out and leave jannies do all the work. That's even worse and is also a hotpot for drama, over the years i have liked specific anons very much but like that one rule made in 4cham at 2006: You should never ever meet them IRL, it's like meeting your childhood idol or something, you will usually end up very disappointed and in the case of imageboard people, uncomfortable moments because many of them suffer from crippling social anxiety. I've met people i know very well browse IBs and they are wrecks, the ones who are not rarely if ever shown their power level. Part of me thinks that's why the previous /v/ BO was so henpecked and flipflopped hard, i don't know how but he doxxed himself and many old /vg/ anons know who he is hence why i think he tried to take care of his image to avoid conflict. That backfired pretty hard and he even seems to acknowledge that in some of the recent IRC screencaps, but that's just a theory of mine, a shame because he did tarnish his image from an otherwise beloved user who did splendid OC back in the day.
>>93 Because you ask OpenNic to review you and approve your domain name. Say I'm a flamer and I want to promote it by serving the .faggot domain names. OpenNIC looks that I'm living up to the current standards, that I can handle capacity, and I can then get approved as the manager for .faggot sites. Maybe someone disagrees with me later on. Then they can do the same thing I did, but they decide to manage the .fags domain name. Etc. etc.
>>89 >They unfortunately aren't supported by certificate authorities (for HTTPS certificates) Technically nothing stops someone setting up a new authority for this right? Not that it'd be easy to persuade fags to trust it. Or fall back on some sort of web of trust model instead of a centralised one. My knowledge of networking is amateur at best but HTTPS itself should work just fine regardless of how you 'find' the site also why regardless of which DNS you use you can be sure that a site with a given HTTPS certificate is the 'real' one including finding 'normal' sites with an OpenNIC-supporting DNS server, assuming of course that the certificate authority itself isn't compromised. >>97 Got it. I mean I guess it's a matter of picking your poison anyway.
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>>46 neat webm, you got the music sauce?
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>>98 I did meet some of my best friends over on /k/ before 8chan went down, but I think that's 1 in a million.
>>89 > changing DNS settings is a major retard filter. You can visit OpenNIC domains with a browser addon though?
>>101 LISA RPG Summer Love
>>96 The general non-k assembly point is /shelter/. >>>/shelter/5
>>100 >Technically nothing stops someone setting up a new authority for this right? There's no stopping anyone from doing this; however, your root certificate wouldn't come by default in web browsers and operating systems, making your site untrustworthy by default. The RitaChan admin set up his own certificate authority actually. >HTTPS itself should work just fine regardless of how you 'find' the site also why regardless of which DNS you use you can be sure that a site with a given HTTPS certificate is the 'real' one including finding 'normal' sites with an OpenNIC-supporting DNS server, assuming of course that the certificate authority itself isn't compromised. It's mainly a matter of who'd sign a website's certificate. All certificate authorities reject alternate DNS roots and they won't sign bare IPs anymore. >>103 >You can visit OpenNIC domains with a browser addon though? Still a barrier.
>>99 Got you. Do they have a regular review process once you're handed the domains? It seems like you might fairly easily subvert a whole category of domains that way and yes, people could just hop domains again if they can be sure you're subverted but then we're sort of back to how it is now but with more fallback options. Like if I make 8chan.faggots and it's going great then the organisation behind the .faggots top level domain Top level domains? I never remember the right terminology. Like I said my knowledge of networking shit isn't amazing but I've got a basic grasp. is bought out by someone who only wants kosher sites they can just drop me right? I could then ask whoever runs .fags to take me instead or go set up my own one I guess and obviously the barrier to entry is far, far lower but you might lose out on the 'prestige' of the .faggots domain that way. Also obviously OpenNIC itself might be subverted and render the entire thing fucked by giving away .faggots and .fags and refusing to allow more registration. At that point do we make a new OpenNIC thing? I assume that's viable. How do they handle man in the middle if https certs don't work? As said it seems like we could fall back on alternative non-centralised methods.
>>106 >Still a barrier. Maybe that's in fact a good thing Anon. Not much of a barrier in fact, but should be just enough to keep the niggercattle at bay for the most part.
>>96 >They don't want /v/ermin coming in to shit up the board. And they are justified to the t. >8moe /vg/ Mark didn't reestablish it at 8k and now holds the site hosting it, i cannot trust him nor the animu guys who negotiated with him to steal the /a/ legacy name at 8k when it mattered. Man, why did the Fatchan admin die a miserable digital death? he was seemingly one of the few noble guys out there who didn't bother no one. >>105 Got it.
>>108 It just depends on how you interpret it. Most /v/ anons were apprehensive to the idea of a slight barrier even though it's paper thin because it wouldn't get wide adoption and high PPH.
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>>107 >At that point do we make a new OpenNIC thing? I assume that's viable. There's a thought, and a good one. Eventually unless we enlist an army of W.T.Snacks men, that will be corrupted too in the end. But by that point it will be years later and we'll just move on to something new.
>>109 >Man, why did the Fatchan admin die a miserable digital death? Because you either die an hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
>>104 Thanks lad
>>98 Yeh that's what I was thinking of. Shit like hotwheels advising josh to only announce shit about Infinity Next in a locked sticky so he didn't have to speak to anons hotwheels said it was because anons would mostly just sperg and bitch but that's how anons are is the point at which they should quit running the site entirely. >>106 >There's no stopping anyone from doing this; however, your root certificate wouldn't come by default in web browsers and operating systems, making your site untrustworthy by default. The RitaChan admin set up his own certificate authority actually. Related but I remember some laptops came with an advertiser's cert authority built in and it caused huge security issues. But as I thought someone could just run one. >It's mainly a matter of who'd sign a website's certificate. All certificate authorities reject alternate DNS roots and they won't sign bare IPs anymore. I was assuming the users might. Or perhaps OpenNIC and the various groups running the domains? >>109 >Man, why did the Fatchan admin die a miserable digital death? he was seemingly one of the few noble guys out there who didn't bother no one. The best BOs/site owners/mods are the ones who don't want to be one in the first place. However they get burnt out way faster. >>111 If the shit behind it is open source it shouldn't be too hard hopefully.
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>>109 It was obvious that Tom is a relative normalfag with a proper job and what not. His chan software was in his github with his real name (I think). Magical dev skills, but not enough australian autism to manage the hydra of imageboards ownership. May he live long and dev some other sweet radical software.
>>115 >May he live long and dev some other sweet radical software. This.
>>111 Apparently alternatives already exist, some of which are peered by OpenNIC including a fucking furry-specific one as per usual. Gotta say the lack of https is a bit of a concern though.
>>114 >If the shit behind it is open source it shouldn't be too hard hopefully. They technically run and configure these servers: https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9
>>117 >Gotta say the lack of https is a bit of a concern though. Hmm. Didn't the EFF offer some sort of free HTTPS certificate authority? Is that program still on?
>>115 What a nice duck.
>>120 Yes, that's the one. Sorry, I don't understand the nerd-speak on this topic. Someone care to translate for everyone? Namely, can the EFF LetsEncrypt program be used to offer HTTPS for our own OpenNIC clone?
>>119 >>120 you can't use it with open nic tlds
>>120 >>119 Isn't (((Chrome))) going to force fags to use HTTPS only? I mean Chrome users probably can't work out how to access it anyway but still. Personally I'm more concerned about the security implications of not being able to verify you're reaching the correct site.
>>124 >Namely, can the EFF LetsEncrypt program be used to offer HTTPS for our own OpenNIC clone? No. Part of the requirement for LetsEncrypt to keep being accepted by everyone else is that they only support 'normal' sites. If they started supporting OpenNIC domains they'd no longer be a trusted authority for standard domains. At least that's what the link says and it sounds about right. Nothing stops OpenNIC or someone else from running their own one but as an anon further up the thread said browsers tend to come with hardcoded lists of certificate authorities and it can be a pain to add to these, along with some security concerns here and there.
General Notice For the record it was just announced that Anoncafe has backup domains now in addition to https://anon.cafe there are also https://anoncafe.org and https://anoncafe.co so bookmark those too.
>>124 >>127 Also fwiw once you start going manually you could remove the idea of a centralised authority and use this web of trust model. Non-technically imagine that instead of getting a certificate from a trusted authority you get a certificate you know you can trust because a bunch of other users or other organisations have signed it saying they say it's the right one. Or you could meet up with the site owner in person and he could give you one you know for sure is correct and then you'd use it and sign it saying 'I'm certain it's his, there are usually different levels of how sure you are you can sign with. There are pros and cons here. But more practical is to have someone set up a OpenNIC-supporting authority. Think of it like this a lot of lies and simplification here, someone else jump in if I've said anything outright retarded: >you ask for a site by url >DNS server gives you back its actual location >you want to be sure it's definitely the right site >ask certificate authority for the site's certificate >check this against the one provided by location the DNS server said was correct there's complicated maths involved here and it's not really like a simple check, but trust me the site can't spoof this part >now you know both that it's the correct site and also all of your communications from this verification onwards are end-to-end encrypted so anyone who comes along later or was there from the start and sits between the two of you can't read them or intercept them and replace them with faked versions The second part is key because even if you trust the DNS server you can't always be sure there's not a man in the middle elsewhere in the system. Obviously the question is 'but how do I know the certificate authority is real without getting a certificate from them?' and that's why they get built into browsers. You can, on paper, chop out the certificate authority entirely if you've got a reliable alternative method of acquiring a known correct version of the certificate. So we could meet up and swap them in real life or whatever or use an alternative secure method to communicate them. SSH uses similar tech and generally doesn't need centralised authorities, for example, and you also can do this with email. This is the same basic technology hotwheels used to us to sign his posts so you knew that he definitely made them. /tech/ may now come and shout at me for saying something incorrect.
>>134 You’re wrong. The DNS server only gives you an IP address of the name. What happens after that is that the server at that IP address says “hello, here is a certificate that says I am somesite.tld, and this other guy who you trust to verify me also says so”. Your browser performs maths to make sure that a) the guy giving you the very actually owns it (the guy doing this uses their private key that corresponds to the cert) and that b) the signature from the guy you trust (the CA) is valid for that cert. So in the end you know two things: The site giving you the cert actually owns the cert and that the guy you trust endorsed the cert. So really the basis of trust in modern certificate HTTPS is the guy you trust, who jumps through all kinds of hoops to make sure browser and OS makers will include them as trusted in their browsers and OSes.
>>127 >>134 Good explanation Anon, thanks for taking the time to break it down for us.
>>136 Yeh, I was simplifying that a bit because introducing the idea of the cert authority signing it seemed like an extra bit of explanation i.e. what's signing. >So really the basis of trust in modern certificate HTTPS is the guy you trust, who jumps through all kinds of hoops to make sure browser and OS makers will include them as trusted in their browsers and OSes. One of those hoops, apparently, being not to use alternative domain systems. >>139 I've only got a very shallow knowledge, but it's something everyone should know to at least that lies to children level and it's retarded we're not taught it in school.
>>142 The CA industry used to be an absolute Wild West that lead to some well-publicised breaches of the CA infrastructure by intel agencies and scammers. It’s not surprising that they’d be slow to embrace something that is the Wild West of TLDs by design. There’s nothing stopping you from trying to run your own CA for these domains but trust me when I say there’s a fuck-ton of careful work involved in making sure you don’t fuck up, plus you’d have to convince people to install your trust root. And then, once they learn how to trust random trust roots, what’s to stop a bad dude from MITMing your cert with theirs or scamming others into installing your trust cert and MITMing everyone? What about when you issue a cert to someone who’s MITMing someone else? Onion addresses at least have built-in trust.
>>142 >and it's retarded we're not taught it in school. actually, i'm sure that's by design. can't have anon getting out from under the thumb now can we? anyway, it helped me out and others i'm sure. again, thanks.
It looks like with Firefox at least adding an additional cert authority is piss easy: https://wiki.mozilla.org/PSM:Changing_Trust_Settings#Trusting_an_Additional_Root_Certificate If anons could manage to get OpenNIC working they could handle this. >>143 Yeh that's the concern really. A web of trust style system would maybe be better but that's a lot harder to get normalfags into and can be a pain to scale up. I don't know enough about other technical options. Bare HTTP is pretty bad itself though since you're always open to MITM there as well even with a trusted DNS server. >Onion addresses at least have built-in trust. How do they get around the issues above? I know the basics of how tor works but I never really looked into it in depth. I know that it's more secure to have a proper onion service since it prevents hypothetical traffic analysis attacks between the entry and exit nodes, possibly some other benefits too. >>144 >actually, i'm sure that's by design. can't have anon getting out from under the thumb now can we? I guess so.
>>142 >>144 Two seconds on a search engine pulls up many very simple and well-explained primers in simple non-technical language on how HTTPS works. Nobody’s keeping you down if you’re too lazy to go look it up. Here’s one: https://howhttps.works/
>>146 >Nobody’s keeping you down You might try being a bit less asinine about your knowledge, Anon. I have plenty of other things on my plate besides mastering the intricacies of certificate authorities, which you yourself just pointed is both highly technical as well as labyrinthine. And the context was the public education system. That is most definitely as system designed to keep the niggercattle under the thumb. Regardless, thanks for taking the time out of your day to clarify things, unironically. The link and advice is appreciated.
>>146 >Two seconds on a search engine pulls up many very simple and well-explained primers in simple non-technical language on how HTTPS works. Nobody’s keeping you down if you’re too lazy to go look it up. The point is teaching normalfags this during their period of mandatory education not teaching anons this. Normalfags rarely seek out knowledge for themselves. Hell plenty of anons won't look into things if they're otherwise busy. >Here’s one: https://howhttps.works/ Horrifying. If anons want to educate themselves I'd suggest something like computerphile it's a series on (((youtube))) but fags like videos, I've found it more effective than recommending anything text heavy or plain old wikipedia. Could be useful for normalfags though.
>>145 >web of trust system A lovely dream that died in the late 1990s and irrelevant to x509 certs, unless it’s being used to verify trusted certs out of band. Look, Anon, I think it’s great that you’re sincerely trying to think around this. But you’re stumbling into a lot of really dangerous mistakes without realising it that we’ve already made years or decades before. You admit that you’re not across the details but let me tell you that in security and trust infrastructure the details matter a lot. Please go and learn as much as you can before trying to convince others to go modifying their root trust stores. A good place to start would be by asking why the CA forum doesn’t cover OpenNIC TLDs. All their deliberations are done over open mailing lists so you can do some digging.
>>147 > I have plenty of other things on my plate besides mastering the intricacies of certificate authorities, which you yourself just pointed is both highly technical as well as labyrinthine. If you want to run one, yes, it absolutely is. If you want to use it and understand enough to know the basics without being plain wrong then it’s sufficient.
>>149 >A lovely dream that died in the late 1990s and irrelevant to x509 certs, unless it’s being used to verify trusted certs out of band. I did say web of trust seemed impractical, but what other alternative would you suggest? I'm being more hypothetical than anything here since I'd think bare HTTP is a pretty high price to pay for using OpenNIC in general so surely they've thought about the problem themselves. I'd be posting using a VPN anyway so there wouldn't be a personal security worry with an imageboard, just one of not being able to be sure you were getting the right site back to look at. >Please go and learn as much as you can before trying to convince others to go modifying their root trust stores Wasn't advocating it, just noting it as possible in the hypothetical situation you had a trustworthy one to add. Adding an untrustworthy one is obviously not worth it just to shitpost. >A good place to start would be by asking why the CA forum doesn’t cover OpenNIC TLDs. All their deliberations are done over open mailing lists so you can do some digging. Mailing lists take a lot of work to dig through but worth a shot just for information I guess. It wouldn't resolve the issue either way though.
>>149 >>151 I say use a VPN as security as, for an imageboard, I wouldn't be doing anything like entering details that worry me if they're intercepted nor does much hinge on being certain I get the right site back but what might be a concern is some glow-in-the-darks sitting between the pair of you and using it to link IPs to post content. Obviously if you were hypothetically entering personal data or credit card details etc you'd be a bit more worried since a VPN doesn't magically protect you from that.
>>150 Again, thanks and understood. I'm simply trying to expedite understanding for all concerned in this current 'crisis'. I wouldn't have much likelihood of running such a setup personally, I have far too much on my plate as is.
>>153 >expedite understanding How do you do that when you don't have the understanding yourself verybusyanon?
>>149 >A good place to start would be by asking why the CA forum doesn’t cover OpenNIC TLDs. All their deliberations are done over open mailing lists so you can do some digging. Apparently it's mostly because it might result in conflicting namespaces and thus ambiguity.
>>155 That makes sense.
>>156 Not just cross-alternative either but also if one of the alternative domains later becomes official.
Julay is back and /v/ has now been entirely deleted.
[03:18:34] <kimeemaru> I just pulled off webring 9/11 https://prolikewoah.com/japan/res/125.html#q2610
>>159 WEWLAD E W L A D
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>>160 I REALLY hope the BO knows how to transfer the threads from julay to here, Robi fucked up but he did give a guide on how to do that.
>>162 Where's the guide?
>>163 I don't fucking know
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Anyone from the RTS general here? I'm so fucking sick of getting nuked bros, holy shit.
>>165 Antares has some start of an RTS thread.
>>166 what the fuck is Antares?
>>167 I realize it's an IB but I still don't know what it is focused on and how to access it.
>>169 Danke anon
>>86 >>82 We could try /geimu/
>>166 Use the one on Antares or just make one here if the BO ok with it, i think alot of RTS thread anon is a strelok. The new /k/ should be comfy since /k/ kinda slow too, bring back S.T.A.L.K.E.R. thread and we get EXTRA comfy.
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>>172 I'm all for maximum comfy but we just need to be careful about having rts threads, don't want the /v/ermin thinking they belong on /k/. However if a lot of the anon's in the rts thread were Strelok's then it shouldn't be a huge problem. Just need to monitor very closely for any /v/ermin activity.
>>173 Just make a /k/ vidya thread and call it a day then
>>173 > a lot of the anon's in the rts thread were Strelok's They are and so was plenty of /vg/
>>165 I'm here. >>173 The rts thread was mostly older european fags rather than the shitty part of /v/.
>>159 >>160 Well if anything that just proves the old BO and JCaesar were right but were too late to realize it.
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Is this the bunker I've been searching for?
>>3541 So long are you lurk more, and keep your mouth shut. Welcome.
>>3541 i know what thread brought you here
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>>3542 heeheehee. Just one question so I'm not completely fucked. Apparently there was another bunker? And now everyone's here? What happened?
>>3544 After 8chan took forever to come back as 8kun, several bunkers decided to bootstrap themselves together in a webring. Julay is one of the biggest and was were /k/ was. It got so big Robi, the admin, started having trouble managing it, so while sorts his shit out we moved over here to anon cafe, another part of the webring. We may or may not go back. We lost some people in the transfer and the Happenings threads are taking up much of the traffic right now so things are bit slow, but we're still the most active alternate /k/.
>>3547 >leaving out the part where one of julay's global cuckpockets allowed CP spam on /v/ because he was butthurt about 2D loli shit not being deleted >leaving out the part where the owner not only didn't punish said butthurt hotpocket for openly allowing CP spam, but defended him >leaving out the part where not only /k/, but pretty much every other board bailed because of this If anyone goes back to julay they are a cuck and a retard, the faggotry among the admin and his vols is nearly as bad as what happened with 8kun.
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>>3547 >It got so big Robi, the admin, started having trouble managing it Never believe Rabbi's lies

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