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Russia vs Ukraine Strelok 04/02/2021 (Fri) 15:11:32 No.14576
Things seem to be heating up and I think this deserves its own discussion thread. Or at least I think it will soon. https://archive.is/bpADR https://archive.is/gA8ee How big do you think this will get? Will it spill over into Europe? Will Biden do something retarded that makes things worse?
>>14576 Realistically speaking, Germany and France wouldn't want to do shit for Eastern Eruope, Poland wouldn't lift a finger for Ukraine, and there is no other country left in Europe who could intervene, even if they wanted to. Because of this I think it won't spill out from Ukraine, except maybe if Russians want to take Moldova, then I can see them curbstomping Romania for good measure, but that is quite unlikely. An other alternative is that an American intervention makes them activate some warplan that involves taking the Baltic states, but even that is unlikely. The least likely of all scenarios is that they activate some other warplan that involves rolling through Poland, into Germany, and maybe stopping and Holland. But I don't see the point of that, and I'm sure that both Germany and Russia would try to avoid that.
>>14576 >>14578 It seems retarded. No one has a shit to give for Ukraine, and what would Russia gain in Ukraine proper?
>>14581 Putin seems to be on a mission to revive old school Russian imperialism, and hohols want to reaffirm their identity by showing themselves that they are not just Russians who speak with a funny accent. And it's quite probable the the hohol leadership is strongly influenced by Amerika, who wants to cause trouble to the Russkies.
>>14576 >How big do you think this will get? For now it is just postering, but it all depends if NATO or Biden wants Ukraine to act. He obviously is pushing for another cold war. He'll probably make Ukraine act soon in order to use the proxy war as a pretense to put a shitload of pressure on Germany to stop the Nord Stream 2 project. Then the USA will have Germany immediately agree to the alternative of buying good ol USA LNG.
>>14576 >how big It will probably be limited to minor attacks or skirmishes. Mostly just artillery duels probably, with ukrainians getting their shit slapped if they venture too close to russian border. Or maybe they might be counting on russia saying fuck it and just allowing kiev to bring eastern ukraine back to compliance. Bit far fetched, but it might also be that US has promised Kiev sky and the moon if they stir enough shit up in order to somehow magically prevent Nord-Stream 2 from happening, thus helping to protect the sacred petrodollar. Dumber shit has been done to protect sacred petrodollar and it's not like jews care about lives of goyim one bit, so stirring shit up is thus essentially completely free. Militaries will do exactly as their owners tell them to do, no matter how jewish outcomes it will lead.
>>14582 We should have preserved the concepts of spheres of influence and buffer states in great power politics instead of this everything or nothing outlook from the end of the Cold War.
>>14592 That was the promise, Russia can keep Belarussia and Hoholand in turn they leave alone the rest. Truth to be told, Russians are also happy to fuck around in other countries, but at least they don't want to introduce moslem homosex communism, so in this one case they are the lesser evil.
>>14593 … Wish we could turn back time
>>14596 Is that all one family? II'm guessing they were during the Russian monarchy? wonder why there are no boys? Nice looking bunch tbh. Not a lot of smiles, but maybe that was cultural.
>>14600 Smiling is an American/English thing. It's frowned upon in most cultures to smile for photos and the like.
>>14600 That's the royal families of Europe at a wedding in 1894: >Queen Victoria and family at Coburg on 21 April 1894, assembled for the wedding of Princess Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1876-1936) and Ernest Louis, Grand Duke of Hesse (1868-1937), both grandchildren of Queen Victoria. The wedding took place on 19 April 1894. The group includes members of the Prussian and Russian royal families. This photograph was acquired by Queen Victoria to be part of her series of albums titled 'Portraits of Royal Children'. She is surrounded by descendants from across Europe, assembled for the wedding of Princess Victoria Melita of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (the daughter of Queen Victoria's son, Alfred) and the Grand Duke of Hesse (the son of Queen Victoria's daughter, Alice). Sitting the with the Queen is her eldest daughter Victoria, now Dowager Empress of Germany, with her eldest son, Kaiser Wilhelm II. The Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) and Tsar Nicholas II of Russia are also in the group. Nicholas and Princess Alexandra of Hesse, standing next to him, had announced their engagement on 20 April 1894. The photograph represents Queen Victoria's position as the 'grandmother' of Europe, at the moment before family alliances began to collapse and Europe eventually erupted into war in 1914. Queen Victoria wrote in her journal for 21 April 1894, 'the whole of our large family party were photographed by English, as well as German photographers. Many groups were taken, & some of me with Vicky & my 3 sons, & William.' It was where the last Tsar proposed to his German wife, the one who would later be seduced by Rasputin and catalyze military disaster and communist revolution in World War I. No one smiled in early photography because film took an extended amount of time to develop, and it was considered equivalent to posing for a painting.
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>>14600 >Is that all one family? II'm guessing they were during the Russian monarchy? That's Queen Victoria's family at her granddaughter's wedding. Surely you ought to be able to recognize her in the lower middle. Or at the absolute minimum, her grandson the Kaiser and his unmistakable mustache on the left. And the bearded man just behind him is the future Tsar Nicholas II.
>>14606 Smiling is a relatively newer thing in America. Looking at my relatives pictures from the early 1900s, none of them smiled either.
>>14612 >>14614 Thanks Streloks, much appreciated. Please forgive my poor plebian-tier history knowledge. I guess while you guys are here, would you mind commenting on the Bolsheviks & the revolution and the events leading up to it? I've been told that it was led by Jews for Jews. I presume Lenin was important in it, but I can't say I recognize him as Jewish honestly.
>>14614 I do recognize both Queen Victoria and Tsar Nicholas II now that you point it out.
>>14615 Only the rural Chinese knew how to smile for the camera. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_photography >In the 19th century and early 20th century, photographs didn't often depict smiling people in accordance to cultural conventions of Victorian and Edwardian culture. In contrast, the photograph Eating Rice, China reflects differing cultural attitudes of the time, depicting a smiling Chinese man.
>>14616 War profiteer Alexander "Helphand" Parvus convinced German intelligence he could take Russia out of the war with a "socialist" revolution if they allowed Lenin to be smuggled through Germany from Switzerland, where the Bolsheviks had been hiding since the failed Russian Revolution of 1905. Many left-wing "revolutionaries" had become hacks peddling books for clout in intellectual circles so it wasn't a given this nobody no one had seen in Russia for over a decade would actually succeed.
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Supposedly Donbass being hit by Ukraine, yesterday.
>>14626 this is pretty fascinating to see ancient chinese smile
>>14636 So it begins.
>>14638 Is it?
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>>14636 Don Bass sounds like a fish that is in the mafia.
>>14637 Nigga loves the shit out of some rice. >>14653 Don't be such a Donbass.
Ukraine says joint military drills with NATO to begin in a few months https://archive.md/FzgHW >KYIV (Reuters) - Ukraine’s armed forces on Saturday said joint military drills with NATO troops would begin in a few months’ time, a step that could stoke tensions with Moscow which has expressed its opposition to such a move. NATO voiced concern on Thursday over what it said was a big Russian military build-up near eastern Ukraine after Russia warned that a serious escalation in the conflict in Ukraine’s Donbass region could “destroy” Ukraine.The Kremlin on Friday said that any deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine would lead to further tensions near Russia’s borders and force Moscow to take extra measures to ensure its own security. Ukrainian troops have battled Russian-backed separatist forces in the eastern Donbass region in a conflict Kyiv estimates has killed 14,000 people since 2014. The drills will involve more than 1,000 military personnel from at least 5 NATO member states and will be held in a few months, the Ukrainian armed forces said in a statement on Facebook on Saturday. “In particular, defensive actions will be worked out, followed by an offensive in order to restore the state border and territorial integrity of a state that has been subjected to aggression by one of the hostile neighbouring countries,” the statement said. It did not specify exactly when the drills would take place. I think hope western leaders are not retarded enough to think that a multikulti group of a mere 1000 soldiers is even a factor against Russia, and this is just a way showing moral support to the hohols.
I've also found some hohol propaganda: https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=1cMBPN3rjXU https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=0AtszHyy8rY It's surprisingly not informative at all, and it's also not very good propaganda to begin with.
>>14658 What the fuck was he thinking? Or was it planned, then why? Is it actually said in it.
>>14659 Probably an accident. Guy on camera asked someone if he was recording, and someone off-cam told him several times to "shoot already!". Maybe it was a joke, but I couldn't quite get all details, because it's a bit muffled. And then his finger slipped up, because afterwards the guy off-cam swore pretty convincingly
>>14661 Did you forget to move your name or something anon? >Maybe it was a joke, but I couldn't quite get all details, because it's a bit muffled. And then his finger slipped up, because afterwards the guy off-cam swore pretty convincingly Were they retarded or what? Also it kinda made me laugh, because of the face at the end, just imagine it in something like "this ain't bong." ir something drug related.
>>14663 Yup, It took me a moment, but then I scrolled to the top, and there it was, piece-a-shit. >Were they retarded He looked like civilian to me. Training instead of uniform pants. I dunno about the Ukrainian army, but in the Russian army this generally won't fly. Plus, this does look like an improvised field barrack, because of it's general roughness. Also, it sounds like they speak fluent russian, not ukrainian, so it's probably a Donbass rebel, who maybe does not give as much of a shit about gun safety as he should. So all in all, a ln idiot without Training and maybe too much liquid potato in the brains.
>>14655 How does the current Hohol army compare to what the Ruskies are fielding to counter them?
>>14666 Most of the Ukrainians on the front are guys who've been out of work due to chink flu, they for the most part just don't want to be there. The recon guys are somewhat better as with the pic's that are usually embedded with them. >>14655 There is some ~500 leafs in country, they've been there since later 2014. Apparently they're teaching the salo eaters tankery, but I don't see how you could learn from a country that hasn't seen tank to tank combat since Korea. They like to come up on the front from time to time.
>>14658 Not the first time i've seen ruskies use loaded automatic weapons to play Russian Roulette. Hell, no wonder it's called like that.
>>14676 Ukrops aren't Russian, (((Strelok))).
>>14677 They certainly wouldn't speak russian then, but still my bad if i confused them
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>>14679 If carpathia ruthanua goes to slovakia then it's ok. Ukraine sucks.
>>14679 My prediction of Ukraine being carved up is seeming to be coming to light. >>14581 Steel Mills, and a whole ton of industry they lost during the break up of the USSR. Ukraine could have been an absolute powerhouse of a country but they let shabbos goys run the show and proceed to make the robbery and rape of Russia look like a stolen candy bar.
>>14683 Making Ukraine its own country was a mistake anyways, so good.
>>14683 It's not that they let them run the show, it's more like the (((politicians))) of that time stretched out their greedy fingers and grabbed everything of value. Same thing in Russia. Could have been far more successful, but they just had to privatize everything, good little prostitutes that they were
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>>14682 Felvidék is magyar clay.
>>14687 Anon, the whole hungary is legit slovak clay, because you've lost ypu asian ancestry a long time ago and you have mire slav dna then magyar.
>>14583 >Steel Mills, and a whole ton of industry they lost during the break up of the USSR. Those are 30 years out of date now gramps, and they won't be much good blown up. I know you think the Soviet Union is still breathing down your neck but that's dementia kicking in.
>>14692 Not the one you answered to, but steel working equipment can't really be outdated, except maybe the really old stuff that was steampowered. A man with two working hands and a working brain can do wonders on those old lathes and mills
>>14693 You might be right if we are talking about steel mills that turn iron ore into bar stock or rolled steel, but you'd need a bona fide miracle to outproduce modern CNC machinery with manually operated machinery. Somehow related, Russians were still relying on Ukrainian industry not so long ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Gorshkov-class_frigate >The first two ships of the class have gas turbines from Zorya-Mashproekt in Ukraine. Following the 2014 Crimean crisis, Ukrainian industry refused to supply Russia with military technology. As a result, NPO Saturn has been commissioned to design indigenous engines. Initial forecasts expected these new engines to be available in 2017-18, allowing ships to be commissioned from 2020;[29] however, after intervention by the Russian government, the plan was brought forward.[30] In November 2020 it was announced that United Engine Corporation had initiated delivery of the DGTA M55R diesel-gas power plant which would be installed on frigates of the class beginning with Admiral Isakov.
>>14694 You have a point there, though I heard that CNC machinery ( the programs in particular) is a nightmare to troubleshoot. >Russians relying on Ukrainian tech. Damn, what? I thought it was the other way around. Maybe my people should finally get their asses in gear and lift up the country, instead of importing wokeness and pop-culture from the west. Nothing good coming out of that anyway.
>>14693 When Western engineers visited Soviet industrial plants after the fall of the USSR they found the lack of an array of modern equipment because central planning required uniform implementation nationwide, which makes sense from a governance perspective but not from a financial one. One particular instance of this was Soviet factories lacked any meters to measure power consumption locally because they weren't expected to produce for local profit but to meet preset assigned goals. A significant amount of Eastern Bloc industry was found to be unprofitable after accounting for these peculiarities, so even if they had Soviet steel mills in the 90s there's no guarantee they haven't been sold for scrap or to the Chinese, who became the masters of overproducing cheap shit thirty years since.
>>14697 >though I heard that CNC machinery ( the programs in particular) is a nightmare to troubleshoot. Only if you don't understand basic concepts like having (on average) three axis of rotation and not going six inches deep into the metal for a cut when the bit you're using is only an eight of an inch thick. CNC is more about thinking in terms of how the machine is going to do something than anything. Otherwise it's really easy and the concepts transfer (in reverse) to 3D printing and other machinery. t. backup CNC machinist & 3D printing assistant when the guy who does it normally is out and about and the (different type of) machines I run in my department are low on work.
>>14687 Treaty of Trianon 2.0 can't get here soon enough
>>14703 that's interesting. I should really look into getting myself acquainted with the subject matter. Is there a particular book or internet resource you could recommend for getting into the basics of machining and automatization of machining processes?
>>14705 > Is there a particular book or internet resource you could recommend for getting into the basics of machining and automatization of machining processes? /robowaifu/ has a small dump of US Army Machining training manuals in their CNC thread, Srelok.
>>14582 Putin doesn't want to annex half of Ukraine. The entirety of the east is dilapidated old factories and pensioners- all of the young either go to the west of the country of the EU, there's no economic value and it would be a drain on a country that already has a population bomb coming. I think Putin might give some intermittent support to the DNR, but ultimately he just want to hold Crimea.
>>14709 Punitive expedition?
>>14709 I know, he needs Ukraine as a buffer state. But if that's not possible then he needs Novorussia instead. And if he needs to support Hoborussia with all the might of Russia proper, then he will do so. But realistically speaking, it's a good chance to use up stockpiles of old equipment and to have some blood on at least a few units.
Turkey's Erdogan calls for end to 'worrying' developments in eastern Ukraine, offers support https://archive.md/zXHh8 >ANKARA/KYIV (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday called for the “worrying” developments in eastern Ukraine’s Donbass region to come to an end after meeting his Ukrainian counterpart in Istanbul, adding Turkey was ready to provide any necessary support. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy held more than three hours of talks with Erdogan in Istanbul as part of a previously scheduled visit, amid tensions between Kyiv and Moscow over the conflict in Donbass. Kyiv has raised the alarm over a buildup of Russian forces near the border between Ukraine and Russia, and over a rise in violence along the line of contact separating Ukrainian troops and Russia-backed separatists in Donbass. The Russian military movements have fuelled concerns that Moscow is preparing to send forces into Ukraine. The Kremlin denies its troops are a threat, but says they will remain as long as it sees fit. The United States says Russia has amassed more troops on Ukraine’s eastern border than at any time since 2014, when it annexed Crimea from Ukraine and backed separatists in Donbass. On Friday, Turkey said Washington will send two warships to the Black Sea next week. >Speaking at a news conference alongside Zelenskiy, Erdogan said he hoped the conflict would be resolved peacefully, through dialogue based on diplomatic customs, in line with international laws and Ukraine’s territorial integrity. “We hope for the worrying escalation observed on the field recently to end as soon as possible, the ceasefire to continue and for the conflict to be resolved via dialogue on the basis of the Minsk agreements,” Erdogan said. “We are ready to provide any support necessary for this. ”Major combat in Donbass ended with a truce agreed in the Belarusian capital Minsk in 2015, whose implementation France and Germany have helped to oversee. Sporadic fighting continues despite repeated attempts to implement a ceasefire. >Zelenskiy said the positions of Kyiv and Ankara coincided on threats in the Black Sea and the response to those threats, and added he briefed Erdogan “in detail” on developments in Donbass. “We discussed in detail the issues of security and joint counteraction to challenges in the Black Sea region and it is worth noting that the visions of Kyiv and Ankara coincide both regarding the threats themselves and the ways of responding to these threats,” he said. NATO member Turkey has forged close cooperation with Russia over conflicts in Syria, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh, as well as in the defence and energy areas. But it has criticised Crimea’s annexation and supported Ukraine’s territorial integrity. It has also sold drones to Kyiv in 2019. Erdogan said on Saturday that Turkey and Ukraine launched a platform with their foreign and defence ministers to discuss defence industry cooperation, but added this was “not in any way a move against third countries”. Ukraine and Russia have traded blame for the increase in violence in the conflict, which Kyiv says has killed 14,000 people since 2014. Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a call with Erdogan on Friday, accused Ukraine of “dangerous provocative actions” in Donbass. Kyiv said on Saturday Ukraine could be provoked by Russian aggravation of the situation in Donbass. Erdogan really does want to LARP as a sultan.
>>14759 I wish someone would just decide that enough is enough and kill that cockroach already. Even his own military hates his guts.
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>>14759 >inb4 super fucking roach satan starts WWIII because he fancies himself Suleiman 2.0
>>14879 >romanized: Süleyman-ı Evvel How incredibly fucking apropos.

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