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Asian military history Strelok 12/14/2020 (Mon) 12:30:01 No.10850
A thread where we can discuss anything from horse archery to why the two Koreas should be reunified as part of the Great Japanese Empire.
Japanese did oiterally nothing wrong in China.
>>10899 Look at these posts on /fascist/, Japan literally did nothing wrong. They are the Holohoax claims of the east: >>>/fascist/10901 >>>/fascist/13689
>>10899 How could they be bad if they look this good?
>>10900 Didn't the japs themselves boast of it at the time?
>>10899 How about the rest of Asia?
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>We can’t lose the war at all. We now have an ally which has never been conquered in 3,000 years. Apparently this is what Hitler said when he heart about the attack on Pearl Harbour.
>>10929 Hitler supposedly called them somewhat disparagingly "Erntehelfer" which means harvest hands. Germany didnt feel they needed Japan at all at this point of the war. Even worse, had Japan not attacked America but Russia instead, had Germany not declared war on America we might see everything play out entirely differently. Japan fucked it up much worse than Italy for Germany
>>10930 By that point of the war Barbarossa was already lost not sure if it was salvageable and don't forget hindsight is 20/20
>>10930 >>10932 >there is oil in Siberia >Japan was too triggered by Khalkin Gol to touch anything relating to slavs
>>10934 The real world isn't HoI, getting resources is not as easy as planting your flag over them, you also ignore the really complicated mess that was Japan's government at the time.
>>10936 >the really complicated mess that was Japan's government at the time. Indeed, the lack of a long-term strategy built on a vision was what led to their downfall. They could have easy existed as a maritime power that relies on trade and control of the seas, but instead the navy wanted to build a maritime empire and the army wanted to build a land empire. And then that's the simplified version that completely ignores all the various factions in all parts of life that were vying for power. In hindsight, they would have needed strong emperors who are willing to rule and command.
>>10936 Tragically, modern China found there is also oil in Manchuria. So they had no reason to do anything they did from Dec.1941 onward.
>>10940 There is also oil somewhere in or around North Korea. And there are also oil ad gas fields under the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. Maybe such fields are quite a bit more common than they thought in the previous century.
>>10941 The north sea oilfields weren't discovered until the 70s iirc.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zongchang >"Old Eighty-Six": The origin of this nickname is unclear. According to rumours it either referred to his height or to the length of his penis,[20] which was said to measure up to a pile of 86 Mexican silver dollars when erect. >"Three Don't Knows": Based on Zhang's alleged lack of knowledge about how much money he had, how many soldiers, and how many women in his harem. > Zhang was notorious for his hobby of splitting the skulls of prisoners with his sword, and for hanging dissidents from telephone poles.[17] He loved to boast about the size of his penis, which become part of his legend.[17][22] He kept some 30 to 50 concubines of different nationalities, who were given numbers since he could not remember their names nor speak their language. According to the Time, several of his concubines had been forcibly seized from rich families in Shandong.[1] He was free with his gifts, lavishly squandering money and concubines on superiors and friends. As a result, his commanders were very loyal to him, contributing to his military success. >Zhang also refused to drink any water except that which came from a minor tributary stream of the Jinan River. He preferred to drink the water directly from the stream, often excusing himself from dinner to go drink from the stream. After he participated in the partitioning of Shanghai, he began drinking water solely from the Huangpu River. He claimed the water tasted "divine, as if the urine of heaven." In preparation for his military campaigns, he would instruct his soldiers to gather large quantities of drinking water from his favorite river at the time, which he would not allow others to drink. Whether near or far from his favorite river, his soldiers would present him with water from the nearest available source and claim it was water from his preferred river. There are no known accounts of Zhang disputing the water's origin. Zhang was regularly seen to relieve himself in both rivers. > During one of his campaigns, he publicly announced he would win the battle or come home in his coffin. When his troops were forced back he was true to his word—he was paraded through the streets, sitting in his coffin and smoking a large cigar. It was also a matter of public amusement that he kept his aged mother with him at all times, except when on campaign, when he left her at his opulent palace. >During the Famine of Northwestern China in 1928–1930, a famine that struck Shandong particularly hard, Zhang Zongchang was reported to have gone into a temple of Zhang Xian where there were many people praying for rain and offering gifts to the deity, then walking up to the statue, he slapped it and said "Fuck your sister! How dare you make Shandong's people suffer by not giving us rain!" He then left the temple, the next day ordering his artillery to shoot into the sky until it rained. It rained the next day. This is also where his nickname of "72-Cannon Chang" came from. I hope we will get to see an other era of warlordism in China, because I'm sure that we'd see lots of such colourful characters emerge.
>>10932 >>10936 From my understanding Japan did actually hold the only chance for Germany to ever win in Russia by cutting them off from American lendlease in the east completely, which would need to happen by winter of 41 through atleast the entirety of 42. Stalin and his generals later on admitted how heavily they relied on american lendlease, not necessarily to send them tanks over but instead to send the machinery so the soviets could quickly build up their own factories and start producing. Also railways to carry supplies and most of their radio network making large scale strategies possible and boots, which were in very high demand during the winter. If Japan could have managed this I don't know, but if they had then Germany would have stood a good chance of rolling over Russia in the summer of 42 and 43 as it wouldn't be able to build up during the winter and between offensives nearly as much as it had.
>>10959 So the IJN would have to intercept American convoys leading to conflict inevitably.
>>10959 Sure, no doubt Japan's focus on the north instead of the south would have changed a lot, but don't forget things don't happen in a vacuum, a Japan focusing on the north would mean an easier time for the western allies in general, also don't forget the convoys to Arkhangelsk and Persia would still pass. I can easily imagine a different dimension where Japan attacked the USSR instead of the US and people arguing that they should have gone south, because it meant an easier access to resources, the navy wouldn't just sit in port, that the US was the bigger threat in the long term, etc. At the end of the day the blame for Barbarossa lies entirely on the German high command, they were overconfident, they though they knew more than they did, they were too optimistic, they thought the soviets would fall easily everyone thought that though and the more i learn about the topic the more i'm surprised they didn't collapse, they were extremely close, i can respect their tenacity at least >>10966 I think they were Russian vessels or were at least flying the Russian flag.
>>10966 >>10967 Oh yes, for this to be possible Japan would have to at least allow attacks on american shipping, so probably a war with both the Soviets and America. In reality of course Japan was so scared of a conflict with the Soviets, that they didn't allow the IJN to fire upon any ships heading for the Russian coast. Basically leaving American convoys to the Soviets untouched even while at war with America and allowing most lendlease to come in through this route. At the time German Uboat warfare was also still an actual threat and if used to try and stop all help from reaching the Soviets instead of trying to starve out the Brits it might have given the Germans a chance at victory. Assuming the Japanese could ever pull off stopping lendlease in the east. All of this is only possible to know in hindsight and neither the Germans nor the Japs would ever have done any of this, but this is pretty much the only way Germany could maybe have won the war. Any other way, apart from praying that either the brits or the US get a right wing government, which wasn't impossible but unlikely, would lead to a german loss of the war, due to the Soviets building up too fast to cut off their oil supply.
>>10970 Using our 20/20 hindsight, we can say that Germany should have sent a whole army into Africa, take over Egypt and close the Suez for allied shipping, and then press on towards Iraq and Iran, with the express goal of starting uprisings in India. Meanwhile Japan should have simply ignored the US in their southern push, because no matter how active the warhawks were, it would have been quite hard to convince the population to get slaughtered for the British and Dutch colonies in Asia. Even more, the Philippines was scheduled to be independent in a few years, so they could have simply waited for that to happen and take over all those lands without directly coming into conflict with America. They'd still attack eventually, but it would at least give them time to consolidate their gains, amass resources, fortify many of those islands, and strengthen their navy. Then it's not impossible that they could put up a hard enough fight that the average American votes for the candidate who promises to end the war, as long as the Japanese don't attack first and follow an overall defensive strategy.
>>10959 >From my understanding Japan did actually hold the only chance for Germany to ever win in Russia by cutting them off from American lendlease in the east completely, even if that wasnt possible the fact alone that Stalin was able to pull 20+ excellent divisions with winter gear from the east and sent them against Germany when he learned from his spies that Japan would not attack shows the difference Japan made. It maybe cost the Germans Moscow >>10970 >Japan was so scared of a conflict with the Soviets this seems kind of absurd given they attacked the US which was a much harder enemy >>10943 >According to rumours it either referred to his height or to the length of his penis,[20] which was said to measure up to a pile of 86 Mexican silver dollars when erect. the fuck am i reading here. do Mexican silver dollars even exist?
>>10972 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_peso#Use_outside_Mexico >The 18th and 19th century Spanish dollar and Mexican peso were widely used in the early United States. On July 6, 1785, the value of the United States dollar was set by decree to approximately match the Spanish dollar. Both were based on the silver content of the coins.[41] The first U.S. dollar coins were not issued until April 2, 1792, and the peso continued to be officially recognized and used in the United States, along with other foreign coins, until February 21, 1857. In Canada, it remained legal tender, along with other foreign silver coins, until 1854 and continued to circulate beyond that date. The Mexican peso also served as the model for the Straits dollar (now the Singapore dollar/Brunei Dollar), the Hong Kong dollar, the Japanese yen and the Chinese yuan.[42] The term Chinese yuan refers to the round Spanish dollars, Mexican pesos and other 8 reales silver coins which saw use in China during the 19th and 20th century. The Mexican peso was also briefly legal tender in 19th century Siam, when government mints were unable to accommodate a sudden influx of foreign traders, and was exchanged at a rate of three pesos to five Thai baht.[43]
>>10972 >this seems kind of absurd given they attacked the US which was a much harder enemy Attacking the US was the navy's idea, while it was the army the one that wanted to go north against the USSR, you REALLY can't take Japan as a single actor when looking at the decisions they took, neither Tojo nor Hirohito had power in the way Hitler or Mussolini did, the government had barely any control at all over the army for example.
>>10971 There were major logistical problems in North Africa, if Rommel had a lucky break he could have rode into Egypt. The longer it went on though the worse the supply problems got because they only had one major port. >>10972 The US on paper possessed a rather paltry military. Anyone who wasn't an idiot could have seen the massive industrial capacity that would be mobilized in the event of conflict though.
>>10971 I assumed atleast Operation Barbarossa starting historically in my post. While you probably couldn't send that many troops to Africa due to horrible supply issues, which the italian navy can't fix as they have to do their best to keep existing at all, sending enough to break through to the Nile would probably secure the win in northern Africa, as the leader of Egypt at the time had already assured Hitler, that if he were to reach the Nile the egyptian Army would immediately turn on the allies. The by far biggest issue I see, is that going further than that takes time and the Soviets were going to attack in 42, or 43 at the latest, anyway. Worst case scenario they catch the Germans off guard like they did with the Soviets in reality. Although this timeline might have a better ending for Japan. >>10972 Eh, yes those divisions probably made some difference but in the entire outcome of the war probably not really. Moscow wasn't even that important really, Stalin was quite ready to put every man woman and child between him and the German army and the Russians didn't break when Napoleon took it, so it's unlikely they would have when the Germans did.
>>10976 >Soviets were going to attack in 42, or 43 at the latest, anyway. Worst case scenario they catch the Germans off guard like they did with the Soviets in reality That's honestly way less concerning. The russians, even bulked up for a while, would still be a disorganized mess, and the opening days of the war would have shown them exactly how useless their military leaders were. It possibly would have been worse, since that means another few years of stalin purging anyone competent and replacing them with someone loyal. This would be seen as the soviets starting a war just to get their shit pushed in yet again, and there would be no "defend the homeland" to rally the peasants with, who had no particular love for the government. Quite likely imo this would end in a poorly managed and under-supplied russian offensive getting cut apart in poland and ukraine until stalin either tries for peace or the army just crumbles to the point they can't continue and the germans just walk in. Maybe they'd rally at that point, but I'm not sure. Still, this is the benefit of hindsight talking, the germans couldn't have known this at the time, but delaying the russian entry into the war probably should have taken more consideration.
>>10975 >>10976 You have to keep in mind that Egypt has ports, and going further eastward, Syria was in Vichy French hands, and with German support there it could have been kept that way. Iran and Iraq were both friendly to the Germans, so they really only would have needed to send a Panzerarmee or two to fight off the allied forces and let the locals secure their lines of communication. And at that point they could also send submarines to the Indian Sea and even have naval bases in Iran to supply them. Taking India in a big offensive is obviously out of the question, but the whole subcontinent would be cut-off from Britain. And then they'd also have a few experienced armoured formations perfect to outmanoeuvre attacking soviet forces.
>>10976 20 divisions are up to 400,000 men nominally, dont know what war strength but anyways this is material to burn through a year of fighting that came at a critical moment when both sides had noone to spare anymore and kids and women are just not men. Dont forget, taking Moscow was close, really close, despite so many things already going against Germany at this point of war. IIRC there was no real defence line after Moscow and the whole red army had withdrawn behind the Ural which was the German endpoint anyways but I think I would have to disagree about Moscow's importance on its own. It might not have been a strategic city in a primary sense but it was politically hugely important and Stalin losing it would've meant turmoil in the party and a legitimacy crisis of communism as a whole maybe Soviet rule even breaking apart. Looking at Barbarossa I think indeed that Germans hoped a lot for psychologically defeating the enemy. They knew Russia was too big to destroy conventionally. No matter how many soviet armies were to be destroyed ultimately Russian communism had to be destroyed by destroying its national pride and symbols. Had Leningrad fallen, Moscow and Stalingrad as well, I think the communist system had not recovered irrespective of it still having reserves. >Napoleon I find find these comparisons interesting and worthy in some aspects but in the end not really convincing because the Germans would've certainly been able to provision themselves while Napoleon couldn't. But even if the Germans had just been able to burn the whole infrastructure and industry down this would've been a much more devasting blow than doing this some hundred years ago to a city of palaces and wood houses.
>>10976 We shouldn't forget the distraction Greece caused though right before Barbarossa, maybe history would be different had Mussolini not been an incompetent fuck. Napoleon just took the road there though, unlike the Germans.
>>10978 I think you severely underestimate the industrial capabilities the Soviets were building up. In 42 to 43 you definitely would not have an under-supplied offensive. And although the soviets at the time weren't the greatest strategically and were hampered due to their lack of radios, most of the complete retardedness was stopped in the winter war. Until they get sent radios by the muricans a war started by the soviets would probably be the only time they could actually try to enact a large scale plan, as they can draw it up beforehand and don't have to improvise as much. I don't think that it would have immediately broken the germans nor the soviets, but ww2 was primarily a resource war and with a bad start into the soviet war the germans seem unlikely to come out on top. >>10980 Arguing about this point is kind of moot, since it's something you can't really know unless it happens but I do not believe that either the communist party or the red army would have been beaten by taking moscow. it's a wish that German generals had and due to it's rail network moscow would be nice to take but there is no real reason to believe that soviet morale would be broken by this, as it has been shown before in history that russia is fine with losing so much and it was definitely still capable of fighting on, which the germans stopped being very soon after, due to never ever oil. >>10981 Ah yes, Greece, which was about half a month away from joining the axis. It's baffling how much Mussolini could fuck up. The most interesting thing I can think of in a axis wins north africa timeline is a possible attack on the russian oilfields through the caucasus, even if you can't hold them just to devastate them so the soviets would have the same or worse fuel problems than Germany, potentially stopping the never ending tank and plane horde they would build up. But at the same time that would need an offensive through the cacasus which is absolute cancer. Hey, maybe this could finally have been the italians finest hour, what with all their mountaineer gear and training
>>10982 >Hey, maybe this could finally have been the italians finest hour, what with all their mountaineer gear and training I don't think that replaying all the battles of Isonzo in the Caucasus would have been that effective.
>>10983 Gotta have some hope for the pastas, otherwise it's too pathetic for me to accept as real
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>>10904 >>10943 It isn't a bad uniform at all but the post Black Ships westabooification of Japanese aesthetics is just heartbreaking to me. I hope that trend reverses as the West recedes from world power status.
>>10982 >most of the complete retardedness was stopped in the winter war When stalin exiled or executed everyone who had a chance to learn anything from the war? No, the biggest thing crippling the russians was that their junior officers were universally useless, and subservient to a commisar who was appointed politically, and frequently had no military experience at all. High command was almost as bad. The supply issues would be from the same problem the germans faced, terrible infrastructure in ukraine and most of russia would make it very difficult for the russians to resupply troops at the front if the offensive stalled. Sure, they would have a lot more factories built, but that wouldn't be a factor in the opening stages of the war, and no amount of equipment can help if your army is completely collapsed and no one cares to fight.
>>10987 Yeah, like I said the offensive would definitely stall but due to being able to prepare, which also includes preparing supplies for an offensive, the Soviets won't have that problem at the very start of the war. >if your army is completely collapsed and no one cares to fight. Never ever be in charge of something important, this is about as delusional as some of the worst soviet or german generals were back then. Anyway let's talk about asia again, any military I should know of in asia other than the chinks and the japs?
>>10966 Why not bomb Soviet far eastern ports and rail terminals instead?
>>10987 >>no amount of equipment can help if your army is completely collapsed and no one cares to fight. >this is completely delusional Guns and tanks don't fight wars, people do. You're delusional if you think the soviet union didn't have massive social problems at the time. If you can prevent them from spinning the war as a war for survival, which I realize is a pretty big if, you stand a much better chance, since the war dragging on and causulties mounting, especially considering it would be "yet another war our leaders started is going poorly, again". The victory route is to turn it into a russo-japanese war/great war situation, where their leaders are seen as starting the fight and mounting casualties feeds growing discontent in the public.
>>11001 Would it really work when Stalin's paranoia pre-war led to a country that was at the beck and call of his every whim?
>>10991 India and Pakistan come to mind, the Iranian cold war with Saudi Arabia is also quite interesting >>11002 Eventually yes, at some point the people will fear staying loyal to him more than opposing him and his elite would see the writing on the wall and realize they have a better chance abandoning him but yet another mistake of the Germans was to make the war "genocidal" from the start, as it only served to alienate potential allies Ukranians and reinforce the soviet's will to fight, no soviet officer was going to surrender easily knowing they were most likely just going to get shot.
>>11004 Can slavs and germanics co-exist in peace though?
>>11012 Don't see why not, certainly if there's enough space for both, apparently is what Degrelle wanted.
Why did the nationalists lost the civil war? Was it because they were incompetent, or because the US stopped supporting Chiang due to communist infiltrators convincing the higher ups that the nationalists are incompetent? Or something else?
>>11437 And yes, I know that the filename of the first picture is wrong, and the second is questionable. But this way they are neatly lined up without having their own folder.
>>11439 Although I've managed to post the 1931 picture out of order.
>>11437 Short answer is, read a book nigger. Longer aswer is that nationalist exhausted themselves fighting first the communist chinese, and then the imperial japanese army. After the nationalist engaged the japanese, communist basically fucked off and left them to it. Soviet Union then started steamrolling Japanese forcing Japan to gtfo of the war. Chinese communist on the other hand have built up their numbers and material superiority with the help of the Soviets, and because of that the nationalist completely get fucked. Well, almost completely, they fuck off from the mainland to an island nowadays known as Taiwan. Chinese communist don't have a navy so they can't invade right away. And then Korean war happens and their army that was supposed to be used for invasion of Taiwan gets rekt so that plan gets put on hold.
Doing the foxtrot over 30 million peasant corpses.
>>11453 Holy shit those two comics with the chinese and japanese translation charachters are hilarious if you can read them. Oh the irony.
>>11454 The author's got a bunch of comics like that if you're interested. This is the full comic of the fifth pic: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/42711451 Polite sage.
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>>11455 >spoiler I read the piece, and I'm not sure if the authors Chinese-Japanese, a foreign worker in Japan, or japanese, although I lean to the last and first possibilities. Mainly because they seem like poorly forced jokes in Chinese at times (not in Nihon though) and several of the words usages are improper in party speak that anyone who's spent an extended time in contact with the CCP would realize very quickly. Not to mention he seems to fail to follow proper literary gramatical structures for many of his propaganda slogans lol this may or may not be intentional to throw shade at red guards being uneducated piece of shit However, there's a few themes that are... interesting. This author is some sort of luddite/traditionalist I'm inclined to believe. Mainly because they are making the analogy of phones = little red books and tying in associations of degeneracy from the west the picture with the censored breasts is labeled "revisonist" with the revison part crossed out lol. A good example is the mention of the "Jiang Qing uniform" (She was crazy SJW bitch power player and has the famous line of "I am chairman Mao's bitch, I bite whoever he tells me to bite") and red guards "green hat" (green hat = you got cucked in Chinese allegory). with the cultural revolution. A strange work, I wonder how much LSD the artist had. This comic would probably belong on /fascist/ if they read nihon and Chinese lol. The author has much hatred for the rich SJW "leftists" and can understand modern china to a decent degree (see: the part where some dude is selling japanese products and get lynched yadda yadda even though in china everyone goes to japan to buy toilet seats. Artist is also throwing shade at pixiv for encouraging leftism alongside the Japanese communist party lol. >>11445 You're mostly right, but you're forgetting a few things including the corruption that the KMT had relative to the CPC was massive because the inherited a lot of the corrupt officials from the Qing Dynasty, as well as the fact Chiang allowed generals to have their families next to them instead of Mao's where he basically kept families hostage in Ya'an if you wonder why in China there's a very famous Ya'an 2nd nursery, its because thats where the modern generation of princelings were "raised" (kept hostage). >video semi related This video will get you sent to free gulag. It's a gachi remix of a popular (propaganda ) song. Fun fact: Gachimuchi in China is known as "哲学“or "philosophy.
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>>11458 I'm pretty sure he's a Jap given some other stuff he's uploaded. The poor mandarin would make sense as well. I'm certain that they're meant to mock the CCP even if he isn't. >the picture with the censored breasts is labeled "revisonist" with the revison part crossed out lol Yes, I could at least pick that up from my very basic understanding of the language. >This comic would probably belong on /fascist/ You wouldn't be wrong.
>>11459 >third pic Definitely belongs on fascist if you can't read it its mocking the news media gas lighting and burning the entirety of civilization down and trying to "legalize weed" and lynch school principals
>>11459 What is that flag in the second pic? I mean the one being held by the lady in blue.
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>>11461 I think it's a parody of banners used by nationalist groups in Japan. Just guessing, maybe I'm wrong.
>>11462 It can be read in one of several ways >common defense >mutual defense >defense (against) communism >total defense (akin to the phrase "total war") The first two are not the same. The former implies a shared interest of a nationstate (eg; japan) where the other implies defensive pacts by nation states.
>>11437 >>11445 Chiang being an awful leader didn't help. He got kidnapped and held hostage by communists for concessions, constantly argued with his American advisors, at the end of the war due to budgetary reasons he dismissed a large number of his troops who had no reason to be loyal to him other than pay, these troops then defected to the communist party while he marched off to Manchuria to try and recapture anything the Soviets had left after sacking the place for post-war reconstruction. To his surpise he found the communists were well armed because they had raided IJA weapons depots the Soviets didn't have a need for and Chiang was being raped from front and back and snuck off to Taiwan with the money and gold he had been provided by the allies to prevent this whole thing from happening.
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>>10930 They were sort of surrounded by a mostly-American embargo that kept them from really doing that since they fully expected the Americans to mysteriously get involved before orders should have arrived if they were to engage that region in any way without dealing with the Burgers first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Talas It's kind of strange to realize that there were Chinese-Arab battles in history.
China has had its worst blackouts in years because of its boycott of Australian coal over its call to investigate the origins of the coronavirus early in 2020: China suffers worst power blackouts in a decade on export boom, coal supply shortage >Businessman Lin Xianxin was finally starting to see his luck turn around after production at his Wenzhou factory was disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic early this year. >With China’s economy rapidly recovering from the outbreak and the close of the year bringing a rush of seasonal orders, Lin was running his factory at full capacity and well on his way to recouping his first-quarter losses. >But all that came grinding to a halt on Tuesday last week, when authorities cut electricity to his business. >“It hit us badly,” said Lin, the manager of Wenzhou Ming Yu Packaging in the eastern port city. “Cutting off the electricity at the busiest time of the year is unreasonable. All the orders after Tuesday had to be delayed, and some may be cancelled.” >Wenzhou has not seen large-scale electricity rationing in years, according to Lin, and this month’s blackouts – three in total – would cost him 50,000 yuan (US$7,637) per day. >For a small factory like Lin’s, still struggling to get back on its feet, the losses are huge – and he’s not the only one feeling the pressure. >Provinces across China are struggling with the worst blackouts in nearly a decade. With exports booming and the appetite for electricity surging in the industrial sector, this year’s winter power consumption has exceeded that of the summer months for the first time in about 10 years. And power generation cannot keep up with demand. >This year’s annual consumption is projected to increase 3% from 2019, despite the impact of the coronavirus. China’s power consumption in November alone stood at 646.7 billion kWh, the highest level in 27 months. >More than a dozen cities in Zhejiang, Hunan, Jiangxi, Shaanxi and Guangdong provinces have imposed limits on off-peak electricity use for factories since mid-December. Week-long blackouts in different areas have been imposed in Shenzhen, China’s tech capital, which has the nation’s highest gross domestic product per capita. >A source close to the national power system told the South China Morning Post that electricity restrictions will be imposed this week in the eastern province of Jiangsu, as well. >Many analysts have linked China’s current predicament to its ban on Australian coal, but the government has denied that is the cause. >Beijing restricted a number of Australian imports, including coal, after Canberra called for an investigation into the origin of the coronavirus, which was first identified in China, early this year. >Cargo ships holding as much as US$500 million worth of Australian coal have been anchored off China’s coast waiting for permission to unload as the row between the two nations shows no sign of easing, Bloomberg reported last month. >Australian coal accounted for about 41% of China’s total coking coal imports last year, and about 25% of thermal coal imports, according to China Coal Big Data Centre, a Shanxi-based think tank focusing on energy issues. >Most thermal coal imported from Australia is used in central, southern and eastern China, particularly in coastal cities, as the cost to ship it north is too high. As a result, the Australian coal ban has had a larger impact on these cities, said one analyst, who asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the topic. >Multiple sources in Chinese media told the Post they had been ordered not to link the recent electricity cuts to restrictions on Australian coal. Global Times, a state-backed tabloid, said on Saturday that “Australia’s coal import ratio is only 2%” and it had “nothing to do with China’s temporary power shortages”. >Disruptions in domestic coal supply have only added to the power generation problem. >China tightened standards this year for the reopening of mines closed after accidents, which has been a blow to domestic coal production. >In the first 11 months of the year, 13 accidents occurred in Shanxi, China’s coal mining hub, killing 26 workers. As a result, the province is expected to shut down all of its small coal mines with annual capacity below 600,000 tonnes by the end of the year. >Coal production in Inner Mongolia, home to a third of China’s coal output, has been disrupted, too. Corruption probes launched this year into the development of mines over the past two decades have hurt output in the autonomous region, which has 523 mines with a combined capacity estimated to be 1.3 billion tonnes a year. >Because demand for coal has surged above available supply, coal prices have skyrocketed since October to their highest level since May of 2019. >Coal imports fell 15% in November compared with a year earlier and were down about 21% from October following restrictions on imports from Australia and Indonesia. https://web.archive.org/web/20210103122934/https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3115119/china-suffers-worst-power-blackouts-decade-post-coronavirus
>>11666 I take the commie party doesn't realize that such an open economy relies on trade, and so restricting it as a form of punishment can hurt them just the same, if not more. But due to their culture they have to save face, and they can't start punitive campaigns, so mean words and trade sanctions are their only two options. I hope it will lead to a downward spiral where they will be more ˝aggressive˝ and sanction other countries even for the smallest ˝insulst˝ just to prove themselves how strong and important they are, but then every sanction weakens their own economy, and they will feel that their only option is to be even more ˝aggressive˝, and so they will sanction even more countries. In the end they will destroy the economy they built up over the decades.
>>11666 China is both one of the largest coal exporters and importers at the same time. Mainly because its not easy to transport it en mass from nothern china down south (humidity really fucks it over too). Easier to import from Aus and export the coal from Manchuria to best korea, SK, and Japan. Strange logistics game going on, we'll see if they can substitute it from someone else or build enough infrastructure (hint they wont: Because of mountainous terrain).
>>11668 Couldn't they turn the coal into gas or liquid and just pump it south on pipelines? It's a relatively simple process, and I even remember years ago finding a video by a chink company that was working with this technology. Of course those coal power plants on the south are most likely set up for steam turbines, and although you can just burn the gasified or liquefied coal to produce steam, but gas turbines or diesel engines would be better. Not to mention that building up the infrastructure will take years at best. Really, they should have thought about it before they start playing this game.
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Chinese have deployed tanks opposite Indian army outposts on Sino-Indian border
>>11672 How strong are the chinks and hindu tanks?
>>11676 IIRC the Chinese were performing exercises with a new lightweight tank in the summer for high-altitudes. The Indians only need to defend with their T-72s and T-90s though.
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>>11671 Chinese coal is not high quality, its usually Subbituminous and lignite. I don't know if that affects liquidifcation. The real reason is because the mountain ranges a pipeline goes through would be unstable and thus and earthquake then the entire eastern half of the chinese yellow/yangtze river drainage basin would be big dead >>11677 >>11677 The ZTQ 15 (Export is VT-5)? It's designed for high altitude/ marshland terrains (read vietnam) and is (supposedly) amphibious. The chinese claim it to be able to resist the 3M42 (??? Not sure what this is refering to because its not in GRAU index iirc- GRAU would be 3V(B/K)XX), can pen a T-90s frontally and has no issues with the T72M at range The question is what range can they pen the T-90S with?. >『VT-5轻型坦克经过这样改进和升级之后,整体作战能力又有明显提高。由于战斗全重较轻,发动机功率大,它更能适应南亚热带水网作战环境。105毫米线膛炮采用中国新一代尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹,可以击穿T-90S主战坦克车体,其他例如T-72M更是不在话下,配备了FY-4反应装甲之后,也能抵御3M42尾翼稳定脱壳穿甲弹攻击。』 It that is to be true, said tank has no side/top armor, and the engine capacbilities of the chinese have improved from the 90s (plausible, biggest issue with previous chinese tanks was armor though... Not that it matters if your engine can't run in tibet). According to chinese state sourcesit uses a 105mm APFSDS round that shoots projectiles capable of penetrating 500 mm armored steel at 2,000 metres. >http://tv.cctv.com/2020/04/07/VIDEGF5bLefg5DPpbvjVRMBm200407.shtml >picture related is state photograph prototype Supposedly the ZTQ-15 doesn't have a laser sight, I wonder if its because of adverse weather its supposed to be fighting in (tibet/southern china) or weight concerns? Wikipedia I know, I know gives an uncited source for the T-90MS and a cited T-90A as follows: Only T-90A Kontakt-5 800–830 vs APFSDS 1150–1350 against HEAT T-90M / T-90MS Relikt 1100–1300mm against APFSDS 1350+mm against HEAT My guess is that the Indian version lies somewhere in between these two numbers. that leads to roughly 830-1100mm against APFSDS and 1150-1350+ against HEAT as a conservative estimate Also the weight of the T90MS / A would be in the range of 46-49 tons. That puts it at a pretty bad disadvnatage against the more mobile light tank. In this case, I'd expect the chinese tank deployment to be a defensive one. After all, India has has the advantage with shorter supply lines and more favorable terrain. At the same time, I wonder if the T-90s can go at the altitude? I know the Chinese imported engines from the Americans on their trains for the longest time were one of the few things that was reliable at above 3000m. So either the Chinese deployment is a show of force and not really meant to be offensive, or between now and April of last year the Chinese came up with some super sekret round that shits on most modern MBTs. I have doubts about the former. Maybe it the ZTQ can fire some sort of ATGM?
>>11680 I meant latter, but the point still stands. We know that India has access to the 9M133 Kornet and the 9m119 Sivir/refleks, the question is, how many, and if weather/terrain is favorable to the combat conditions (after all, you can't hit a tank you can't see). Keep an eye out for a Chinese research flight on the border, most likely it will be seeding silver to cause rainfall.
>>11682 >during the Qin Dynasty, that some arrows were forged in a cellular manufacturing method instead of the traditional assembly line method What does any of that mean?
>>11683 Assembly line is where one person does one job continously, think of it as down the line A->B->C in large lots Celluar is a "Just in time" AKA: Modern day consumerisim bullshit theory system where a person(s) instead of makes it in linear steps, makes them in small batches without moving between departments in large batches and usually in a U shaped bend to save space. It's interesting how sometimes "novel" ideas have had much larger historical examples that were forgotten.
>>11680 The Chinese might have some new ideas after seeing the Azeri drone use in 2020.
>>11672 I could be mistaken but didn't both China and India agree not to keep any firearms or explosives on the border? Unless those tanks have no ammunition, this is basically an act of war right?
>>11721 They both went ahead and militarized the border after June because the loophole of allowing informal melees had already gotten people killed.
>>11666 I hope the three gorges dam is too damaged to withstand anudda round of flooding.
Are there any documents or physical shit about the nippons ancient warfere and warriors? And also why did china get so much late into the iron age? Why did the always used lammelar? What was it's main selling point? Also are there any documents about the "Iron budha" or chinese catapharct and or early chinese units and warriors?
>>10940 Drilling for oil is more complicated than "there is oil here." There's about 30 trillion dollars worth of oil under North Dakota, but with modern equipment we can STILL only access the surface shit. Similarly most Chinese oil wells are not profitable without modern drilling techniques that go several thousand feet deeper into the earth than methods available in the 1930s/1940s. The reason the Saudis are so well off today is because they have shallow oil wells instead of deep oil sand deposits that the rest of the world deals with and has to process to extract crude from.
>>11667 They'll just learn the true meaning of "let them eat cake" since the government itself is nice and fat while everyone else starves. You're likely to see rhetoric where the Commie party are shown eating feasts while people are rationing food here in the next few months due to food shortages.
>>11751 How damaged was it from the prior flooding? I hadn't heard much happened to it at all.
>>11863 Not that much. The concrete had warped, but concrete is supposed to do that under heavy loads from a materials engineering perspective. Another round of major rainfall would fuck over food production more than it's fucked right now, but even the CCP isn't stupid enough to allow a bread famine to happen during their military expansion years, so they probably made minimal repairs. Plus last year's storms really were freaks of nature. They're still going to experience famine and rain like last year would make it worse, but the government would have to be collapsing to allow that dam to collapse. Doubly so when they're suffering from energy dependence.
>>11866 >rain don't forget, the CCP was heavily seeding clouds with AgI packets. I wonder if they'll cut back on it this year.
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>>11940 Kek. What I find even more humorous about this is the women and soys feeling qualified to ridicule the soldiers as 'boys', implying they could even stand up to the basic training, much less the austere conditions of deployment in such a barren landscape. And that's simply if the peace holds...
>>11940 Thanks for using wayback, btw. The idea that anons still continue to use the cuckflared archive.today sites it beyond me.
>>11942 I started doing it to avoid having to paste the original link since you can't automatically tell where an archive.today page actually leads, and Wayback seems to have cloned whatever method archive.today uses anyway and can take the traffic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Nepalese_War#Second_Invasion >Tibet had been using Nepalese silver coins since the time of the Malla kings. When Prithvi Narayan Shah of the Gorkha Kingdom launched an economic blockade on the Kathmandu Valley during his unification campaign, Jaya Prakash Malla of Kathmandu faced an economic crisis which he tried to alleviate by minting low quality coins mixed with copper. After Prithvi Narayan Shah successfully conquered the Kathmandu Valley in 1769 and firmly established the rule of the Shah dynasty in Nepal, he reverted to minting pure silver coins. But by then the damage to the confidence of the Nepalese minted coins had already been done. The Tibetans demanded that all the impure coins in circulation be replaced by pure silver ones, a demand that would place a huge financial burden on the newly founded Shah dynasty. Prithvi Narayan Shah was not willing to bear such a huge loss in a matter for which he was not responsible, but was willing to vouch for the purity of the newly minted coins. Thus two kinds of coins were in circulation in the market. The case remained unresolved due to his untimely demise in 1775, and the problem was inherited by successive rulers of Nepal. >By 1788 Bahadur Shah, the youngest son of Prithivi Narayan Shah, and the uncle and regent of the minor king Rana Bahadur Shah, had inherited an aggravated coinage problem. On the plea of debased coins, Tibet had started to spread rumors that it was in a position to attack Nepal; and the Nepalese merchants in Tibet were likewise harassed. Another sore point in Nepal-Tibet relationship was Nepal’s decision to provide refuge to the 10th Shamarpa Lama, Mipam Chödrup Gyamtso, and his fourteen Tibetan followers. He had fled from Tibet to Nepal on religious and political grounds. Yet another cause for conflict was the low quality of salt being provided by Tibetans to Nepal, since in those days, all the salt in Nepal came from Tibet. A Nepalese delegation was sent to Tibet to resolve these issues, but the demands made by the Nepalese were rejected by the Tibetans. The Nepalese found the quarrel over coinage a good pretext to expand their kingdom and to raid the rich monasteries in Tibet. Thus, Nepal launched multi-directional attacks on Tibet. So there was a war between Tibet and Nepal in the end of the 18th century, started over the quality of silver coins and salt.
>>11440 '96 and '05 look like toys, plastic helmets and awful dollar store patterns. Do they actually work well in China? >2015 So they're always 20-30 years behind?
>>12062 Depends. On some fronts more than 50 years behind (see aircraft engines, ships). On others they are up to date if not slightly behind by a year or so (See Rockets, APS, lasers that arent powered by nuclear). >helmets None of them work well in all of china, only the eastern half. Desert camo for Qinghai and Xinjiang, and alpine variation for Tibet (that looks more like a grey artic tbh), doesn't include urban pattern too.
>>12063 >None of them work well in all of china Obviously, it's a huge country, but even in the mountainous/arboreal locations those patterns look more like toy versions.
>>12064 It's mainly designed for use in the jungle in southern China and along the Siberian border with the Ruskies. There's been more emphasis on Tibet recently since the real fight seems to be along the Xinjiang border with the ruskies (not so much the north east... kinda like US rust belt there), and the southern border because of Vietnam.
>>12066 >the real fight seems to be along the Xinjiang border with the ruskies Are they preparing for a potential conflict with Russia, or is it because they simply feel that the area is currently undefended?
>>12067 The Chinese-Russian relations are one of necessity. The Uighur independence movement started with the Soviets supporting Eastern Turkmenistan in the 50s. So thats why (also lots of natrual gas and oil supposedly). It also can cut of the trans-siberian railroad and cut off the rest of the Russian Far east. since's its close to it and allow for the severing of Russia in two.
>>12064 > those patterns look more like toy versions They're made in China what did you expect.
>>12068 >The Chinese-Russian relations are one of necessity. I'm well aware of that, but one would think that neither of them wants to clash right now, when the world is in disarray and both of them can strengthen their position. That's why I'm asking if they are preparing for an attack in the foreseeable future, or if they are building up their military just in case. >its close to it and allow for the severing of Russia in two. Looking at a map, they only have a rather small common border, and even that is in the middle of a mountain range. Although I imagine Mongolia and Kazakhstan would get involved in a way or an other, and that widens the front quite a bit. It still looks like a plan that will go horribly wrong no matter what.
>>12072 >strengthen their position No, China would much rather let the EU be strong with a weak Russia. The seconds the US goes down China and Russia will go at it. It'll be EU/China/Pakistan vs RU/India/UK TBH a US-Russia rapprochement would be really nice for geopolitics right now but won't ever happen >mongolia They won't get involved (or rather, neither of them will let them get involved). First thing that happens in a Sino-Russian conflict is that Mongolia gets mined to hell and back by the Chinese if not straight up nuked. >Khazakhastan Yeah its China vs Khazakh and Russia.
>>12073 I know the UK has it's issues with the EU but would it really side with Russia over them?
>>12073 >implying the EU is ever in a position to do much of anything except self-harm
>>12073 >UK on Russia's side >EU on China's side I don't really see that happening. That war would be a logistical nightmare for Russia, fighting a two front war between such vast distances. They'd do whatever is necessary to keep the EU out. If Germany were smart they'd demand East Prussia back for non-aggression pact. tfw it will never happen
>>12075 >Mandatory diversity quotas >all transgender brigade >Muslim divisions >pantyfa put in auschwitz for CCP 5th column >all of Europe's problems wiped out in one war
>>12080 What if the enemy has the ingenious idea of going for the population centers since that military would be incapable of resisting?
>>12082 War crime bombing in WWII showed that doesn't have much of a demoralizing effect. In nearly all cities that were bombed war support actually went up.
>>12085 War support can't go up if there is nobody left alive to support the war.
>>12087 That's why the USAF conducted firebombing instead of "terror bombing" since the Blitz didn't work on the Brits despite the fanfare.
>>12088 I'm referring to their crowning achievement here: nukes. A nuclear strike destroys most of the infrastructure and kills most of the people in a given city, so their war-making potential is simply gone for the most part. Also, it was USAAF back then.
>>12085 >War crime bombing in WWII showed that doesn't have much of a demoralizing effect. There's some research though that indicates that it was only the disciplined or totalitarian character of the societies in the West back then which helped themto endure. Today bug people might endure it, India would crumble like a paperbag. >>12089 Who would use nukes these days while knowing the favor will be repayed in kind? That might be something a small cult like group of crazed doomer fanatics might do but even the most likely candidate a hardcore islamist turned Pakistan would still be too rational to do it.
>>12090 Bug people only endure because their government has made sure the illusion of the social contract remains in place. The moment it's gone, the bugs will turncoat.
>>12090 Property crime increased during the bombings but the government was able to portray a united response. Today the government would be too busy infighting.

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