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Biological Warfare Thread Strelok 12/05/2020 (Sat) 23:51:38 No.10356
A thread dedicated to biological warfare, whether it's discussion of how the settlers intentionally handed smallpox-ridden blankets to shitty Natives, Poland mixing rabies-infected saliva on their arrows, Emperor Barbarossa poisoning the well water, Napolean flooding Italy to spread Malaria, the CSA secretly selling Yellow Fever-ridden clothes to the Union, the USSR developing Marburg-sama, or Mongols chucking diseased animal carcasses over the ramparts of cities and castles under siege. A thread dedicated to all things biological and /k/.
I just wanted to highlight the fact that ZOG does industrialized secret human experimentation all over the world and on Europeans since the 50's read about Project 112 and porton down, because that's what the "good side" would do right? The same people need to invade Iraq/syria for just the suspicion of it and Shinrikyo Aum are terrorists for doing the same thing though ZOG for some reason are not. So I'm confused who's the real terrorists again?
>>10357 There is no good side. >So I'm confused who's the real terrorists again? Terrorism is as it's defined. >The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals. Terrorists are neither good or bad guys due to their acts of terror. They are judged by what they want to accomplish and why they want to accomplish it.
>>10358 Except that terrorism itself is a mediocre term defined by the media powers that be, they pick and choose virtually daily between calling isis factions in syria, and afghanistan in the 80's "freedom fighters" and terrorists another time when it fits their narrative. >Terrorists are neither good or bad guys due to their acts of terror. They are judged by what they want to accomplish and why they want to accomplish it. >There is no good side. Explain what accomplishment is it for ZOG states to blindly infect their own civilian people with multiple lab bred bacillus strains at all? If that doesn't come close to the true textbook definition of sadism terrorism then nothing does. Keep in mind these same sadists claim they want to protect us from some china virus.
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>>10360 Sorry, I don't browse conspiracy boards so I don't know what you're talking about. I just like guns and I like talking about warfare. Could you post a credibly sourced article or first-hand account so I can have a conversation with you, Schizo-anon?
Three posts and the thread is already a burning trashcan.
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>>10375 Sure stupid-bluepilled-anon let me try to enlighten you on something you should have read about when I mentioned examples by name. Not that you seem to be concerned at all about governments terrorizing innocent citizens as guinea pigs in some sick experiments that literally dwarf accusations against DR Mengele post WW2 though gj sticking to your muh conspiracy script though by the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_112 https://youtu.be/UAKgPdkkiCg >>10400 Yeah I guess I killed it by actually talking about the topic. Which is strikes me as quite wierd to be honest.
Biological warfare is super easy to pull off nowadays, even goatfuckers can do it. I'm afraid of it, not because it's super effective (it isn't, if you're prepared for it), but because it can hit anywhere. And I don't want to die in a fucking terror attack, because a towelhead decided to spread anthrax or some shit in the name of Allah. Fuck this.
Are we going to dodge the wrath of BO this time?
>>10500 No censortranny was removed he can't do shit
CORONA-CHAN MUTATED AGAIN >A "new variant" of coronavirus has been identified in the UK, which is believed to be causing the faster spread in the South East, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said. >More than 1,000 cases of the new variant have been found, "predominantly in the south of England", Mr Hancock told the House of Commons this afternoon. >It was first identified in Kent last week during routine surveillance by Public Health England (PHE), with ministers told about it on Friday. >The health secretary said that there is currently no evidence that the new variant will not respond to the COVID-19 vaccines being rolled out across the country. >"I must stress at this point there is currently nothing to suggest that this variant is more likely to cause serious disease," he told MPs. >"And the latest clinical advice is that it's highly unlikely this mutation would fail to respond to a vaccine." >Speaking at a Downing Street news briefing later, chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty said the new strain will still show up on tests and is not "more dangerous" than existing ones. >He said it is possible vaccine efficacy might be affected, but that would be "surprising". https://archive.is/x4WDt https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416
>>10880 Mutation is a good thing for the average person, overall. Consider that strains of viruses that just fucking kill you tend to die off faster than they can reproduce. Mutations typically head towards being milder/harder to detect because that's what allows the virus to reproduce the most under the most general conditions. It sucks in terms of infectivity but it doesn't suck in terms of living or dying.
>>10880 >And the latest clinical advice is that it's highly unlikely this mutation would fail to respond to a vaccine That's entirely plausible, iirc since the part that the vaccine teaches your immune system to target is also the part that lets it get through your immune system, so if that mutated it would most likely become way less effective. There's also something like 4 identified strains already, so nothing really changed here.
>>10882 That's the reason why vaccines for viruses is a medical foul. Beside the fact that herd immunity literally remains an unproven pseudo-scientific theory It's actually quite pointless in basis. But just get vaxxed anyway goy, comply with getting retardations like anaphylaxis, bell's palsy, narcolepsy, and your dna being edited, trust
>>10886 Not all vaccines are useless though. Smallpox for example. But yes, I agree the vaccine is a shitshow inb4 its deus ex tier grey death and kills everyone who didnt vax leaving only serfs that are brainwashed
>>10888 >Not all vaccines are useless though. >Edward Jenner, the English physician who first developed the smallpox vaccine in 1796, believed that vaccination caused a fundamental change in personal constitution and would lead to lifelong immunity to smallpox. Unfortunately, this proved to be incorrect. It is now clear that immunity wanes over time. >Exactly how long the vaccine confers protection, however, is difficult to assess. >Immunity to smallpox is believed to rest on the development of neutralizing antibodies, levels of which decline five to 10 years after vaccination. This has never been satisfactorily determined, though. >believed >difficult to asses >not satisfactorily determined I think it's very contended if it's efficacy actually works beyond the (((theory))), A person that gets a smallpox vaccine can't still get smallpox. We also know that natural immunity occurs naturally through the fetus and genes from the mother who had X infections disease. >the plandemic vaccine Actually nearly all vaccines, everyone knows that injecting thimerosal(mercury) and Aluminium intravenously into people is no good, except the vaccine racket, contributing to making autistic/retards out of small children based on the still unproven theory of herd immunity because these toxic agents they put in penetrate the blood brain barrier. This will probably be the big one, but deus ex is reality, just like how we literally live in the kike matrix lol. I suggest you read quick rundown here >>>/fascist/10888 , DYOR and still see if you agree that we should still normalize mass vaccination instead of curative treatment and eradication of disease.
>>10886 >herd immunity literally remains an unproven pseudo-scientific theory Do you even know what herd immunity is? >>10889 What's your point? vaccines are the result of science, not divine revelation, that the first guy didn't get it completely right the first time does mean anything nowadays.
>>10889 A person that gets a smallpox vaccine 'can still get smallpox. Or any other disease, the argument from medical doctors is medically now that getting a vaccine "Will reduce disease severity and you need to trust us." >>10890 Go read the quick rundown, DYOR and come back to me thx. >Do you even know what herd immunity is? Yes, and "Herd Immunity" still remains a theory is in serious doubt, it's quite literally publicly accepted pseudoscience.
Quick rundown >>>/fascist/13367 ***
>>10886 >herd immunity literally remains an unproven pseudo-scientific theory It's trivially observable in practice, and has more to do with statistics than biology. Throwing around terms like pseudo-science makes you look as stupid as the IFLS retards. We lost something along the way when we considered theories the basis of science instead of observing the world around us.
>>10893 >Herd immunity is trivially observable in practice, and has more to do with statistics than biology. Prove me wrong then. Instead of NPC tier dismissal.
>>10889 >I think it's very contended if it's efficacy actually works beyond the (((theory))) >>10886 >herd immunity literally remains an unproven pseudo-scientific theory Neither of these are in any question. Herd immunity is more about statistics than biology, unless you're claiming acquired immunity isn't real or something, and it's trivially observable in populations. And vaccines clearly work in some cases, see polio and smallpox for examples of diseases we irradicated with them. Throwing around terms like pseudo-science makes you look as stupid as the IFLS retards, just because the theory hasn't been completely nailed down yet doesn't make observable phenomenon not real or something. We certainly lost something when we started to take theories as the basis of science instead of observing the world around us.
>>10893 >>10895 Thanks stephen, I definitely wanted my post to get submitted halfway through writing it.
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>>10894 More NPC tier dismissal? When you didn't even take time to research to anything you faggot. Support your claim against >>>/fascist/13367 >vaccine acquired immunity isn't real Supposed Acquired immunity through vaccines isn't real or highly over rated yes. >We certainly lost something when we started to take theories as the basis of science instead of observing the world around us. Yeah, just like the medical establishment needed trepanation and lobotomy as psychotherapy, to now give kids amphetamines to sedate them, fluoridate water for "dental disease" etc even though it's dis-proven to have any real merit. You're not some all seeing eye that observes vaccine effectiveness anyway you're just going along with the convenient dogmaTM. When are you going to start proving that herd immunity is real and isn't just quantifiable natural human phenomenon where immunity given to children by the mother/relatives in which these antibodies and immune responses are almost permanent, unlike vaccines. Whereas vaccines are a waning immunity. Based on a THEORY that "if enough people get vaccine immunity(which offers no guarantees) all at once(even though its waning) we will be safe. Even though we can still be infected with what we were vaccined against" https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170105082755.htm >Professor Tim Spector, Director of the TwinsUK Registry at King's College London said: 'Our results surprisingly showed how most immune responses are genetic, very personalised and finely tuned. What this means is that we are likely to respond in a very individualised way to an infection such as a virus -- or an allergen such as a house dust mite causing asthma. This may have big implications for future personalised therapy.'
>>10897 >support your claim against [some shit elsewhere] No. If you want to post about stuff on /fascist/ go do it there, not on /k/. Now you're screaming about fluoride and amphetamines and lobotomies, none of those are relevant to the topic of bioweapons or immunity. Herd immunity is entirely statistics, get yourself an infection network and prune 10% of the nodes. The network gets reduced by far more than 10%. Any non-viable carriers for the virus reduce its ability to spread exponentially, to the point that about 40-70% immunity in a population will render all but the most contagious pathogens unable to spread at a sufficient pace to maintain an outbreak. You can also see this with endemic diseases. Populations where the disease is endemic have higher exposure and higher rates of immunity, and don't have massive outbreaks typically, but when the disease is introduced to a population where it is not endemic, it spreads incredibly quickly. Smallpox among native north americans, african diseases among colonials in africa, and european diseases in the concentration camps during the boer war are all examples of this. Even if the immunity from vaccines fade over time, it still works to a degree and especially in the short term. Else why haven't we started having smallpox outbreaks again? And if vaccines don't work at all, what the fuck happened to polio and smallpox?
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>>10901 >Dishonest kike bait and switch >"No I can't actually prove anything I'm talking about I'll just inconvenience you until you give up this vaccine cuck religion. https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/the-herd-immunity-theory-is-in-serious-doubt >>10901 >what the fuck happened to polio and smallpox? Rapid natural generational immunity just like tubercolosis.
>>10903 >generational immunity There's another factor you're forgetting. Improvement in sanitation and cultural practices. Polio and Typhoid are usually spread via fecal-oral transmission and the separation of drinking water versus sewage water, chlorination, (and modern sanitary systems) is a one of the reasons of the drop in Polio as well. That came around in 1860s in the UK. Smallpox and Diptheria are contact based, so proper procedures in sterilization, disposal, and removal of PPE is important. Cultural practices like sterilization, (proper) quarantine, one time use PPE, are also a big factor, I just can't remember off the top of my head when that started. Not everything is a big "aha!" change that immediately stops things dead in their tracks. You need lots of smaller steps to achieve desired change.
If you really want to cure the herd, wipe it out. Drop nukes on the cities. Then carpet bomb the larger towns. Fire fixes all disease.
>>10906 Nietzsche pls. Fuck off back to /trannypol/
>>10908 t. never read Nietzsche ever Embarrassing post
>>10909 don't be so embarrassed about it friend, nor go away mad just go away.
>>10910 You will never be a woman
>>10911 >t. Irony, the post.
>>10903 >Dishonest kike bait and switch Stop projecting nigger, claiming her immunity is pseudo-science is pure nonsense, either that or you don't know at all what you're talking about.
>>10913 >more bait >>10905 Yeah that is fairly evident, It's hilarious though how It wasn’t until the 1980s that hand hygiene was officially incorporated into American health care with the first national hand hygiene guidelines. And there's still some mongoloids out there that don't wash their hands.
>>10908 What the fuck does this post even mean? He's a tranny for wanting to nuke cities? Do you just use words you hear on cuckchan and repeat them even when they make no sense?
>>10916 He wants to discredit a viable idea by using the "muh edgy transsexual" insult. >>10906 It's time to trim down the cattle anyways, better do it on our terms, rather than letting the kikes do it Anyways, what was the recipe for homemade chlorine gas again?
>>10358 These days, terrorism just means "anything the government doesn't like". It should have its proper definition, but the government is like feminists are with rape.
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The principal niggatry of the Pfizer/AstraZeneca/Moderna vaccines enrages me to no end, I'd expected those fucks to extract memory B cells containing Corona antibodies out of unwitting Corona survivors then put an mRNA containing the sequences for Cas9/Cpf1/etc. , a gRNA, a DNA integrase stolen from some virus along with a separate DNA molecule containing the antibody sequence all packed into a nice HIV-derived vector specific to memory B cells so that fags who got the shot could at least produce patented monoclonal antibodies under a lifelong EULA. Sounds complicated but once the production infrastructure for the HIV vector is there producing new vaccines in response to new Corona strains should be rather easy as it'd only require alterations to the antibody DNA sequence derived from random survey participants or perhaps from a supercomputer if changes in surface protein tertiary/quaternary structure of new Corona strains aren't too extreme. Instead they just put an mRNA containing the Corona spike protein sequence into a generic vesicle and pushed it to market with no survivors.
>>10928 >post Yes, but how will it make me grow thumb toes and a tail?
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>>10931 The only cure for corona-chan's love is to turn you into a catgirl. Sorry strelok, it has to be done.
>>10933 I swear this is more or less the plot of an existing manga somewhere.
>>10935 I think more than one, I definitely remember something like that too.
>>10933 Fuck off tranny.
>>10954 Good training, good discipline, good accuracy, good zettai ryouiki. It's just the basics, if you want to have a chance at surviving.
>>10955 Don’t bother replying to him. He’s either /cow/ cancer, a /tv/ sperg, or a goon still mad he’ll never get his $10 back.
>>10957 I just missed my chance to use that line last time I posted that picture, wasn't going to pass up on it again.
>>10886 >Statistics is pseudo-scientific theory You're a retard. Go back. >>10901 More or less agreed. >>10905 It was actually improved sanitation conditions that made Polio so deadly. Traditionally you would catch is as a baby and mother's breast milk contains trace antibodies that would help eliminate it in short order. When the drinking water became clean, people started catching it in their childhood/teens instead of as an infant and suddenly it was a big fucking deal since both the immune system was more developed leading to more crippling complications and they didn't get those antibodies from breast milk to kick in. The polio vaccine directly contributed to its decline with modern sanitation coming along much later (around the 80s/90s in Burgerland, at least).
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It should be noted that anyone bitching about the trace elements/chemicals in a vaccine probably isn't talking about infants (<18 months) where there can be minor complications, and doesn't understand that most fruits/vegetables/meats we feed to said children contain 10 to 100 times the same amount of said chemicals, or that companies have worked on developing vaccinations without said chemicals because of consumer demand, even though the consumer is a retard that probably doesn't understand basic high school biology.
>>11010 >IV == ingestion retard alert
>>11011 Post the news articles of mass mercury-based kidney failure caused by IV vaccinations or fuck off to your containment board. >inb4 tabloid headlines from The Sun or some hippy garbage blog
>>10889 >>Edward Jenner, the English physician who first developed the smallpox vaccine in 1796, believed that vaccination caused a fundamental change in personal constitution and would lead to lifelong immunity to smallpox. Unfortunately, this proved to be incorrect. It is now clear that immunity wanes over time. This is wrong. Jenner's method was variolation by cowpox, not very comparable to modern vaccination. It was a completely different process involving infection by a milder pathogen to acclimate the immune system to infection by a deadlier one. Exposure to cowpox still could have significant effects on the immunocompromised, though.
>>11013 What if the nigger cattle mRNA Corona vaccines are a scheme by GlowPharma to BTFO conspiratards by having the vaccines randomly kill or disable people without requiring any suspicious lead/mercury/aluminium-based additives? Expect regular vaccines that don't cause autism and have been in use with few changes since the mid to late 20th century to be replaced by Gates-approved super effective mRNA variants, random occurences of palsy are part and parcel of a medically safe society after all.
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>>10356 So, what's the viability of ethnicity-targeting bio-weapons? Are they possible?
>>11129 Absolutely, but as many things, they won't be 100% accurate and there will be people of other ethnicity vulnerable and those of said ethnicity aren't. You can target weaknesses from gene mutations that exist, I'm sure we could find one (best example is the gene confering HIV-1 immunity also makes you get rekt by a dozen other rather rare diseases)
>>11129 Contrary to popular imageboard belief, it's very nuanced. You can't really have something like a scifi genophage that targets people with gene X, but you CAN exploit general traits that increase the risk of certain factors. As an example, males of African descent have much higher blood pressure/risk of heart disease/heart attack while those who actually live in Africa have a high rate of sickle cell disease because it has an evolutionary advantage against Malaria and other blood-born pathogens. You could abuse these sorts of traits, but as >>11131 implied it won't just hit African males if you do so.
>>11129 Another problem with a potential genetic cure for the nigger plague, assuming its applied airborne is the same as with chemical agents. Distribution. The US Army did a lot of testing with nerve agents and they found there's no sure way to spread it so as to inflict mass casualties. It's often said that a spoon of VX could kill thousands and under ideal conditions that would be true but if you find unfavourable factors you might kill just a dozen. Add to that, that a genetic bioweapon works like gene therapy. As of now that costs millions for a single patient and we're talking multiple sessions where the vector in extremely high doses is applied usually per IV.
>>10881 >>10882 >all flights barred from the UK as new strain of corona-chan confirmed to spread faster >colonies already confirmed on continental Europe >UK on the brink of a food shortage due to imminent Brexit A C C E L E R A T E Britain cut off by Canada and others as new Covid strain spreads >Crisis meetings were scheduled in London and Brussels as officials grappled with the new variant, which could be up to 70 percent more infectious. https://web.archive.org/web/20201221142905/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/britain-cut-canada-others-new-covid-strain-spreads-n1251884 DARK WINTER IS IN EFFECT
>>11269 >yet another English food shortage weren't they doing rationing over 20 years after WWII? shit's old hat for anglos at this point
>>11288 >oi m8 ill slobber yor nob for tuppence n a tub of margarine >giz us a pack of fags n yew cn' stuff me chocolate tube
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>>11295 >image holy fuck why do i remember that show
>>11296 You're not alone, i hadn't thought of that in so many years, what the fuck was that?
>>11269 >China businessmen flee the country and infect the world >"Don't stop them it's racist" >UK gets a new strain of virus that hasn't even spread as much as the original Corona virus >"CLOSE THE BORDER IMMEDIATELY" I expected nothing and I'm still angry.
CORONA-CHAN IN ANTARCTICA, THANKS TO CHILEANS >Antarctica, once the only continent not to be affected by the coronavirus pandemic, has reportedly recorded its first cases. The 36 new infections are among people stationed at a Chilean research base and include 26 members of the Chilean army and 10 maintenance workers. https://archive.is/ReVu7 SHE SHALL BE PRESERVED FOREVER IN THE ICE
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Slight sage, but the pope has shown his true colors by saying that the vaccines are okay even though they derrive from aborted fetuses I'm not catholic, but this makes zero logical sense to me aside from muh poor people feels and the pope afraid of dying due to his age >The fundamental reason for considering the use of these vaccines morally licit is that the kind of cooperation in evil (passive material cooperation) in the procured abortion from which these cell lines originate is, on the part of those making use of the resulting vaccines, remote. The moral duty to avoid such passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is a grave danger, such as the otherwise uncontainable spread of a serious pathological agent[3]--in this case, the pandemic spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes Covid-19. It must therefore be considered that, in such a case, all vaccinations recognized as clinically safe and effective can be used in good conscience with the certain knowledge that the use of such vaccines does not constitute formal cooperation with the abortion from which the cells used in production of the vaccines derive. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html https://archive.is/j4wr6 >picture unrelated
>>11342 Fuck me raw, archive link is broken because I can't control-v properly. correct link here. https://archive.is/4xXei
>>10356 >settlers smallpox YO LIL DONNIE Diseases were transferred through sea lions before the mass migrations. The faggot lesser races didn't learn from WWI. Biowarfare is no different than gas attacks.
Speaking of biological warfare, what's the best way to sterilize and kill off an ethnic minority in a covert way? HIV/AIDS seems to be a good bet, as long as you don't let sexual transmission do all the hard work and instead you inject them en masse. Then just conclude that there is a serious problem among them and that it's not your fault that they can't practice safe sex. But there might be some other alternatives I'm not aware of.
>>11388 Do you think AIDS stops anyone from continuing to reproduce? It isn't transmitted between parent and child.
>>11388 The US government and Japanese government both experimented with syphilis and found it effective, but you have to keep them away from antibiotics for a few months and syphilis doesn't discriminate when one of your biological warfare officers isn't a biologist, gets horny, and accidentally spreads it to the whole facility.
>>11398 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study >In the study, investigators enrolled a total of 600 impoverished, African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama.[6] Of these men, 399 had latent syphilis, with a control group of 201 men who were not infected. >By the end of the study in 1972, only 74 of the test subjects were still alive.[10] Of the original 399 men, 28 had died of syphilis, 100 died of related complications, 40 of their wives had been infected, and 19 of their children were born with congenital syphilis. 128 out of 399 is 32%, which is not that bad if you are planning long term and want to cull that population over a few generations. Especially if you consider that they are also bound to infect their females too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments >Berta was injected in her left arm with syphilis. A month later, she developed scabies (an itchy skin infection caused by a mite). Several weeks later, Dr. Cutler noted that she also developed red bumps where he had injected her arm, lesions on her arms and legs, and her skin was beginning to waste away from her body. If it leaves visible marks at the place of injection, then it might be a bit tricky to explain it away if you inject people en masse. Expect if you can somehow justify administering it directly into their genitals. Although you could bring them in for a ˝medical examination˝, knock them out somehow and then inject it right into the benis. But making people lose conscious safely and quickly is not simple. Assuming we have an ethnic minority that is characterized by low intelligence, and therefore criminality, you could use a method like this: >quietly set up the prison system so that all of the criminal elements coming from them end up in a select few prisons >run a big campaign to decrease the consumption of antibiotics >have a small team of reliable good doctors administer ˝flu shots˝ to the inmates of those prisons >explain the rashes as generic allergic reaction >some of them get it when they are coming in, others when they are about to leave >just let syphilis wreak havoc on them and note that there is an ongoing outbreak of syphilis and they are either coming to the prison already infected or get it there from their fellow inmates >don't inform the public and keep it up for decades, slowly decreasing their numbers
>>11409 That's the great part about syphilis, it can spread through touch vectors. The CSA had to remove doors on ships during the American civil war because seamen were contracting syphilis through handle contact. You can easily spread the infection through bathroom doors and the like with ease if the goal is just to infect everyone in a given region because syphilis is a bacteria and thus is generally hardier/can survive on more surfaces with ease.
>>11409 >>11410 >/k/ attempts the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment 2
>>11412 The difference is that the intentions of the experiment were actually for the good of niggers whereas /k/ just wants to give them STDs.
>>11391 It often is. Where did you hear that?
>>11422 I ran into some dubious sources looking up AIDS instead of HIV. However it still looks like the transmission rate is rather low: >What is the chance that my baby will become HIV positive? >A baby can become infected with HIV in the womb, during delivery or while breastfeeding. If the mother does not receive treatment, 25 percent of babies born to women with HIV will be infected by the virus. With treatment that percentage can be reduced to less than 2 percent, according to the March of Dimes. https://archive.is/k2CWS Unless you're Bill Gates I'm not sure anyone is up for some mass "vaccination" campaign, and if you are I'm not sure what you're doing on /k/. Additionally, unless you're running a concentration camp at this point any further secrecy would be hard to maintain and if you are able to control the access to medicine of the place in question you could already do far worse things.
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>>11425 "With treatment" seems to be the variable there. Mother-to-child infection was a hot-button issue when the initial push to stop the spread of HIV/AIDS was first reaching the mainstream consciousness in the late '80s and early '90s. It seems like modern treatments can mitigate the issue, but not eradicate it, and among those who either do not know or haven't means, it's still a solid percentage. Your point stands; they continue to reproduce regardless. >Unless you're Bill Gates No comment. Prepare for the Windows Update of your nightmares.
>>11410 Can you spread it orally? If yes you could use a cotton swab with some of the bacteria on it to infect somebody. And it's not that hard to come up with an excuse to do it during a medical examination. >>11415 I'm actually thinking about gypsies. Here they have their ghettos in cities, but the main problem is that in the more rural parts of the country the people are leaving the villages, meanwhile gypsies remain there are keep breeding like rats, pressuring even more people to leave, and by now there are whole villages filled with nothing to gypsies. You can imagine how it wouldn't be that hard to just isolate those villages and infect them with diseases that will slowly kill them out without it having any impact on the country at large. And once those rural areas are cleansed it's much easier to just deal with the ghettos somehow. >>11425 >>11426 What if you infect them with AIDS and Syphilis at the same time?
>>11428 Won't gypsies disappear as their rivals in thievery opt to ditigize everything? Or does the West have two parasites to contend with, one that robs the physical while the other robs the spiritual?
>>11429 >West That has nothing to do with us. And no, they won't disappear into thin air on their own. I've likened them to rats for a reason.
>>11013 >>11014 Okay lol seeing as you so strongly believe in (((modern science))) take your vaccine then retarded cattle. Become sterile at the hands of literal jews who cooked this strange new concoction up at Pzifer.
>>11297 Jay Jay the Jet Plane.
>>11428 >Oral infection Just say you're doing an oral drug test and put the bacteria on the mouth swab. >>11425 HIV is not a very efficient disease these days. It's only deadly if you don't have access to relatively cheap chemical cocktails.
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>>11434 Okay, Boomer.
Coronavirus: Spain to keep registry of those who refuse Covid vaccine https://archive.vn/N6EMG >Spain is to set up a registry of people who refuse to be vaccinated against coronavirus and share it with other European Union nations, the health minister has said. Salvador Illa said the list would not be made accessible to the public or to employers. He said the way to defeat the virus was "to vaccinate all of us - the more the better". >Spain has been one of the countries in Europe worst affected by the virus. It is currently rolling out the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine which was approved for EU member states last week. >In an interview with La Sexta television on Monday, Mr Illa emphasised that vaccination would not be mandatory. "What will be done is a registry, which will be shared with our European partners... of those people who have been offered it and have simply rejected it," he said. "It is not a document which will be made public and it will be done with the utmost respect for data protection." He added: "People who are offered a therapy that they refuse for any reason, it will be noted in the register... that there is no error in the system, not to have given this person the possibility of being vaccinated." >According to a recent poll, the number of Spanish citizens who have said they will not take the vaccine has fallen to 28% from 47% in November.In other comments on Monday, Mr Illa said people would be contacted by regional authorities when it was their turn to be inoculated. "People who decide not to get vaccinated, which we think is a mistake, are within their rights," he told reporters. "We are going to try to solve doubts. Getting vaccinated saves lives, it is the way out of this pandemic." >The number of people who have died from Covid-19 in Spain rose above the 50,000 mark on Monday. The country has registered more than 1.8 million infections during the pandemic. Spain is under a nationwide curfew, between 23:00 and 06:00, until early May. In many places, people are only allowed out in that period to go to work, buy medicine, or to care for elderly people or children. Regional leaders can modify curfew times and can also close regional borders for travel. I'm positively sure they could have chosen some other method that doesn't have such a dystopian ring to it. It's like they want to fuel conspiracy theories.
>>11486 I'm certainly wary even if i have nothing against vaccines. >It's like they want to fuel conspiracy theories. Maybe they're just having some fun. t.anon in Spain
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/sintered-bullets/10656/22 https://archive.vn/wip/aOVT4 >A variety of sintered bullets were produced by or for the Special Operations Division of the Bio weapons section at Ft. Detrick prior to 1970. These were produced with a variety of bio test simulants to determine the possibility of attack using pistol caliber weapons. Some of these were done in .45 auto. >They worked quite well with various agents. The problem as with all of this material is the contamination of the user. That was never answered with this type of ammo. They were made in various calibers; 45acp,9mm,32 Tokarev,32acp,25acp and 22rf. >A 22 with certain agents could contaminate an entire warehouse, with ONE bullet. All of this research stopped in 1970 when Nixon killed all of the “offensive” bio weapons programs at Ft. Detrick. Today the programs there are defensive. >Not really possible to get too deep into this as BIO/CHEM has a very tight and touchy lid on it. >However , most of the individual use BIO weapons developed at Ft.D. posed no risk to the user. >None have ever been declassified and my request to write about this along with the late Gerald Yonetz ( head of hardware development for SOD , Ft.D.) was met with a solid NO as was our manuscript of his biography. He was a long time IAA member and collector. >The problem with the sintered bullet was that it had to be coated and at that time (before 1970) a suitable coating which would withstand use had not been developed. >Even though they were designed for single shot use they had to survive transport for loading into a cartridge case, actual loading , packing , transport to use location and transport to weapon for firing. No coating of the time worked. Temperature,bumps and bruises all were killers in that program. With BIO agents there is no room for error. A micro crack in the coating would be fatal in most agents being considered. >Other BIO small arms projectiles had the agent well sealed by existing technology.
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>>11486 >"What will be done is a registry" >"with the utmost respect for data protection." the fucking EU putting their goycattle on a list for wrongact but rest assured your privacy will be honored
>>11481 Have fun freezing your sperm retard
>>10501 Thank God, I left for months over that shit. Can't talk about corona/the riots? Bullshit.
>>11542 >left for months >missed the entire shitshow and the peace conference
>>11540 >>11434 Are the vaccines that are used in America diffrent from The ones used in EU? Because I'm scared t. europoor
>>11546 Grow a pair. Just don't take it.
>>11546 Don't be afraid. Don't take their kike garbage.
>>11546 Germany care home workers accidentally given five times normal dose of Covid vaccine >Germany’s Covid-19 vaccine campaign got off to a bumpy start on Sunday after eight workers at a retirement home were accidentally given five times the normal first dose of the jab each. >Four of the employees of the care home were admitted to hospital after developing mild flu-like symptoms while others were sent home, although none has yet experienced significant ill effects. >“I deeply regret the incident. This individual case is due to individual errors. I hope that all those affected do not experience any serious side-effects,” district chief Stefan Kerth said in a statement. >The care home workers, one man and seven women, were between 38 and 54 years old and amongst the first in the country to receive their first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. >The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, developed in less than a year, is designed to be administered in two shots and is delivered in vials that each contain five doses once diluted. https://web.archive.org/web/20201229112136/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-care-home-vaccine-five-dose-b1779868.html Vaccinated U.S. nurse contracts COVID-19, expert says Pfizer shot needed more time to work - ABC >A nurse in California tested positive for COVID-19 more than a week after receiving Pfizer Inc's vaccine, an ABC News affiliate reported bit.ly/2L8iBel on Tuesday, but a medical expert and the U.S. drug maker said the body needs more time to build up protection. >Pfizer “will review all available information on this case and all reports of any confirmed diagnosis following vaccination,” the drug maker said in a statement to Reuters. >“Based on our Phase 3 safety and efficacy study, the vaccine provides some protection against COVID-19 within about 10 days of the first dose and substantially boosted after the second dose, supporting the need for a 2-dose vaccination series”, it said. https://web.archive.org/web/20201231053501/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-vaccine-idUSKBN2940QL
>>11564 https://www.thedailybeast.com/employee-intentionally-ruined-500-doses-of-covid-vaccine-aurora-medical-center-in-grafton-says https://archive.is/iF0ae >More than 500 doses of the COVID-19 vaccine that were discarded from a Wisconsin hospital earlier this week after being left out of a refrigerator were “intentionally” ruined by a now-former employee. Advocate Aurora Health released a statement late Wednesday confirming that an internal review revealed the mishap at the Aurora Medical Center in Grafton was not simply an “inadvertent human error.” “The individual in question today acknowledged that they intentionally removed the vaccine from refrigeration. We have notified appropriate authorities for further investigation,” the statement read, adding that the employee has since been fired. The boomer resistance has begun.
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Is he right Streloks? Many front-line workers refuse Covid vaccines as distribution rollout struggles About 50 percent of workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, along with 60 percent of nursing home staff in Ohio. >A large percentage of front-line workers in hospitals and nursing homes have refused to take the Covid-19 vaccine, a hurdle for public health officials as the country struggles to roll out inoculations around the country. >About 50 percent of front-line workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, Riverside Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari told The Los Angeles Times on Thursday. California is currently overwhelmed with cases as hospital staff in Southern California face a shortage of intensive-care units and have created makeshift units. >About 2 in 10 Americans are certain they will not change their mind about refusing the vaccine, according to data from the Pew Research Center. And 62 percent said they would be uncomfortable being among the first to receive the vaccine. >Anecdotally, an estimated 60 percent of Ohio nursing home employees have refused the vaccine already, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said during a news briefing Wednesday. It's a stark contrast to the number of nursing home residents who have taken the vaccine when offered, which DeWine guessed to be about 85 percent. >“We’re not going to make them, but we wish we had a higher compliance,” DeWine said. “And our message today is: The train may not be coming back for awhile. We’re going to make it available to everyone eventually, but this is the opportunity for you, and you should really think about getting it.” >Rollout for the vaccine has already been met with several logistical hurdles as only 2.6 million people have been vaccinated as of Wednesday. A review by NBC News of earlier data Tuesday found that at the current rate, it would take almost 10 years to inoculate enough Americans to get the pandemic under control. >It’s unclear how refusal by essential workers, who are prioritized to receive the vaccine in the first phase of administration, could further hamper the distribution efforts. https://web.archive.org/web/20201231224148/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccines-distribution-rollout-struggles-n1252617
>>11584 >Is he right Streloks? I don't see how this is supposed to work. It massacred the chinks in Wuhan, but then it seems like that the mutated versions coming out from there were significantly less deadly. And statistically speaking it is more dangerous to niggers than to anybody else. I don't see how and why would it suddenly start targeting the Hwite Man, especially because I can't imagine how it could have a ˝programmed mutation˝. Maybe if they released an artificial strain, but that would be quite less effective now that all people are familiar with the arcane arts of wearing masks and washing hands.
>>11587 >It massacred the chinks in Wuhan Lol if you still are falling for chink psyops from a year ago
>>11546 The latest update: the EU has no vaccine because Macron wanted to source from French manufacturers instead of American, German, or British, and the French manufacturer Sanofi's vaccine failed in trials. You're safe for now.
>Covid-19 pandemic 'caused by separate outbreaks' around the world, China was just the first to report – Chinese FM >separate outbreaks separate The likelihood for such an "unfortunate" chain of events occuring naturally is nill I'd guess, no? If true this is basically confirmation for a bioweapon. https://www.rt.com/news/511393-china-coronavirus-origins-wang/
>>11624 Even then, it would be a bioweapon of Chinese origins due to the genetic lineage.
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1-800-FUCK-WHY UK scientists worried vaccines may not work on S.African coronavirus variant - ITV >LONDON - Scientists are not fully confident that COVID-19 vaccines will work on a new variant of the coronavirus found in South Africa, ITV’s political editor said on Monday, citing an unidentified scientific adviser to the British government. >Both Britain and South Africa have discovered new, more infectious variants in the coronavirus in recent weeks that have driven a surge in cases. British Health Secretary Matt Hancock said on Monday he was now very worried about the strand found in South Africa. >Scientists including BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin and John Bell, Regius Professor of Medicine at the University of Oxford, have said they are testing the vaccines on the new variants and say they could make any required tweaks in around six weeks. >“According to one of the government’s scientific advisers, the reason for Matt Hancock’s ‘incredible worry’ about the South African COVID-19 variant is that they are not as confident the vaccines will be as effective against it as they are for the UK’s variant,” ITV political editor Robert Peston said. >Public Health England said there was currently no evidence to suggest that vaccines will not be effective against the new strain. The health ministry did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the report. >The world’s richest countries have started vaccinating their populations to safeguard against a virus that has killed 1.8 million people and crushed the global economy. >There are currently 60 vaccine candidates in trials, including those that are already being rolled out from AstraZeneca and Oxford, Pfizer and BioNTech, Moderna, Russia’s Sputnik V and China’s Sinopharm. >That has helped to lift global financial markets, but the discovery of the new variants has raised fresh alarm. >Scientists say the new South African variant has multiple mutations in the important “spike” protein that the virus uses to infect human cells. >It has also been associated with a higher viral load, meaning a higher concentration of virus particles in patients’ bodies, possibly contributing to higher levels of transmission. >Oxford’s Bell, who advises the government’s vaccine task force, said on Sunday he thought vaccines would work on the British variant but said there was a “big question mark” as to whether they would work on the South African variant. https://web.archive.org/web/20210104110540/https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-south-afri-idUSKBN2990T2 Second-dose delay will lead to virus adaptation >1) If we want to generate difficult viral escape mutants in the lab (e.g. for epitope mapping), we subject the virus to low antibody pressure and then slowly move up. A little bit like after one vaccine dose. I think it would be good to give the second dose as soon as possible. >2) I don't know if 12 weeks is going to be a huge issue, but that time frame should be minimized as much as possible. Also, there are good reasons for giving the second dose. It is likely that the second dose is needed to generate long lived and strong immunity. >3) But it will likely also drive affinity maturation of antibodies. This will make the antibodies stronger, and potentially will allow them to better cope with new variants. >4) It also depends on how much virus is circulating. If virus circulation is low, the 12 week window might not be a big problem. But if virus circulation is sky high (like right now in the UK), it is not a good idea. My 2 cents. https://archive.is/IJUTl
>>11670 Fantastic. And by now I know that don't even have to worry about starving to death due to problems with international supply chains as long as I manage to find a job so that I can buy food, therefore I can just watch this damned world burn.
>>11545 Yeah, sounds like I missed some shit; I've been watching crypto too closely lately. I'd appreciate a summary though fren.
>>11688 Here's the basic gestalt >>10714
>>11690 Also you can see the pre-/k/atasprophe in the old /100rads/ thread starting around here: >>9764 I wasn't sure if the posts were still around after the interim BO (the spook) deleted the board. It was already agreed to open up the America/Europe thread before the board was reassigned and the shit hit the fan.
>>11388 The chinks allegedly can sterilize a woman with a single injection, or at least that's what the stories from Xinjiang claim. Is that realistic, or is it just the media being the media?
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All this talk about the burgers and europoors taking the vaccine made me wonder something. Are the chinks taking the vaccine?
>>>/fascist/19304 To be perfectly honest, that board is crawling with redditniggers and cuckchanners, but I'm not the kind of person who'd just copypaste a whole post.
>>12134 >trying to D&C again
>>12133 They've been giving it to Brazilians, Indonesians, and Turks. 50% efficacy but it keeps you out of the hospital. However they had 1000 cases of the UK mutant and 1 death so they seem to be avoiding it themselves.
>>12134 >22-50% of RNA is fragmented and will encode other proteins than intended (could make you infertile) Absolute horse shit unless by some "fuck you" of God, the cells it's injected into get cancer and start to propagate exponentially fast, in which case you have more to worry about than infertility. >no data available regarding reproductive organs, if some side effects arise, then they will start testing on animals to see if the concern is plausible in a later stage Because anything affecting reproductive organs due to immune response is fairly rare unless you're injecting it into the person's genitals/anus. >production: different colored batches are of different quality (or RNA integrity), this has to be kept secret from the public This is probably because: A) They can't make it in the correct quantities at the highest qualities and thus downgrade the quality a bit to make it economically feasible, handing out the highest quality (most expensive) shit to the rich/powerful/important skillholders (such as medical workers) of society. And B) They're testing the threshold of what different qualities of the vaccine will do in a sample group, that way even if it's not economically feasible, they can at least admit it and still have collected important research data since the folks who get vaccines are the folks who will go the hospital early on in any adverse scenario.
>>12101 India has developed a special polymer that they inject into a guy's nutsack that effectively uses a natural electro-chemical process to strip the tails off of sperm while letting the fluid pass through so the guy doesn't go sterile (they even have a reverse procedure though obviously it's more expensive). In theory the tubes they inject it into are around the same size as the fallopian tubes, so I suppose it probably could be used in that manner if injected carefully into the right spot by a specialized practitioner. That being said, unless they're injecting the woman with a virus or STD that makes them infertile, there's nothing they could inject to make her infertile that also wouldn't cause horrible (likely fatal) effects on the body in the doses needed to make her infertile. A more likely answer is that perfluorinated compounds (PFCs) have been used around the households due to being cheap even if toxic, and PFCs are known to make women infertile. Bringing teflon cookware, PFC-containing food wrapping, PFC carpet treatments (aren't Muslims big on carpets or something?), and PFC containing shampoos to the region due to being cheap would probably have a pretty big impact on a woman's fertility, making her an old hag menstrually by the time she's 25 or so (and with people worldwide marrying late "older" that issue is becoming a bigger deal).
>>11546 wikipedo has a list of Covid-19 vaccines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Vaccines_development_status i wouldn't take any of the mRNA vaccines. DNA/RNA based vaccines haven't been widely used on humans before and many companies halted the development of DNA/RNA vaccines before Covid-19 at least partly because of adverse effects (there is a concern that DNA/RNA vaccines might cause auto-immune reactions) why are the Big Pharma companies using an experimental and potentially unsafe vaccination technology if there is "a dangerous pandemic" atm? probably because it's faster and cheaper to mass-produce DNA and RNA vaccines than traditional vaccines.
>>12140 It's more like it's physically impossible to make a traditional viral/modified viral vaccine in under 2 years because you need at least that long to breed the virus into a state where whether blended up or whole, it can't naturally reproduce in the conditions of a body. Then you still have medical trials at that point.
>>12141 >University of Oxford, AstraZeneca, CEPI <Modified chimpanzee adenovirus vector >Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology (Sputnik V) <Non-replicating viral vector (adenovirus) >Sinovac (CoronaVac) <inactivated SARS-CoV-2 >Sinopharm: Beijing Institute of Biological Products, Wuhan Institute of Biological Products <Inactivated SARS-CoV-2 (vero cells) >Bharat Biotech, Indian Council of Medical Research <Inactivated SARS-CoV-2 >State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology VECTOR <Vaccine based on peptide antigens >CanSino Biologics, Beijing Institute of Biotechnology of the Academy of Military Medical Sciences <Recombinant adenovirus type 5 vector source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Authorized_and_approved_vaccines
>>12142 Note: they used tissue from aborted fetuses throughout the development of the Oxford vaccine, so if you're a moralfag you might second-guess yourself for taking it.
>>12143 I just want to point out that some other vaccines actually contain cells from a fetus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRC-5 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development
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>>12142 >Sinopharm: Beijing Institute of Biological Products, Wuhan Institute of Biological Products
>>12142 I would not trust any adenovirus used to be effective due to how fast Corona mutates. They probably just loaded a "base" variant of a traditional adenovirus vaccine with Corona RNA particles which would make them "effective" at fighting those specific RNA strands, but overall about as worthless as an annual flu shot. It's a stop-gap measure at best. >Inactivated SARS-CoV-2 I would have to look into what they actually mean by inactivated, but again it sounds like they took the SARS vaccine and loaded it full of Corona RNA similar to the adenovirus vaccine. Again, this will help flatten the curve, but it's about as effective as a flu shot because it's not a full viral load but rather a different base virus already converted into a test specimen in the past that they are injecting Corona particulate into in an attempt to get the body to latch onto those Corona-specific sequences, which can have nasty side-effects without necessarily being effective if the body doesn't latch onto those RNA sequences when reacting to it. >Vaccine based on peptide antigens Realistically the safest short-term option since peptides are just protein signatures for the body to react to, but you certainly won't get me lining up to take it since peptides can just as easily be used to fuck with your hormones or other shit, and I doubt it's received the level of scrutiny a peptide-based solution should require.
Ah right, point being, none of those disproved my claim that it would take two years to develop a proper viral vaccine. Those are all "shortcuts" that while they could work, are not analogous to a full viral load vaccine, but rather precursors or "hot fixes" using similar pathways. They're either ineffective or playing with fire doing that shit.
>>12199 Nanomachines?
>>12210 >Nanomachines? What about them? They don't exist in any functional capacity that can reach those who make less than seven figures.
Last I heard there was no true isolate of Sars-CoV-II. This, from a court case in Ireland recently.
>>12252 Correct. They're using the Chinese-released genome that was allegedly isolated and then implanting it into other Coronavirus strains that were prepared years ago for lab use, IIRC. Coronaviruses themselves are not all that uncommon (they're viruses grouped together because they have the same "spiky ball" structure), they just tend to either not infect humans or not cause the levels of damage that the current strains are causing.
Are 3M P100 filters effective against CBRN threats or just industrial gasses?
>>12243 >They don't exist in any functional capacity that can reach those who make less than seven figures. >he doesn't know that all life is nano machines >he doesn't know that we're the grey goo >he doesn't know that all biotech is creating and modifying nano machines The real mind fuck is that the common viruses shrug off are likely remnants of the last civilization's bio-war. Finno-Korean Hyperwar was real.
>>12325 >all life is nano machines Kojima-san, please go to /v/ before you share the plot of your next game.
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so on 1/3 Alex Jones was sharing the first image and I checked both sources and made the graph in the second image from the data. Today, the first referenced page has removed data for all months after July. The second referenced page has doctored the data for every month in 2020 to add 400,000 total deaths. Check deaths added here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm I double and triple checked the sources and the data in the first image was correct on Jan. 3 2021
wayback machine seems to have been scrubbed? WTF? am I going fucking schizo https://web.archive.org/web/20210102165819/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
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2,913,144 on https://web.archive.org/web/20210103061054/https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm totals for 2020 are def going up massively since 1/1/2021
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Coronavirus: UK variant 'may be more deadly' https://archive.vn/RY4Rv >Previous work suggests the new variant spreads between 30% and 70% faster than others, and there are hints it is about 30% more deadly. For example, with 1,000 60-year-olds infected with the old variant, 10 of them might be expected to die. But this rises to about 13 with the new variant.
>>12517 Obviously just a doubling-down of the propaganda surrounding the initial plandemic. If the goyim don't respond with a sufficiently high degree of terror and submission with the first effort, just 'manufacture' new versions that are "...oh so much more deadly". Doesn't cost them anything beyond the basic propaganda efforts since all the rest of the state machinery for it is already properly in place, and they have sound evidence that eventually the sheeple will cave and do as they are told if you apply enough screws or turn the rack hard enough. Disgusting, the lot of them.
>>12513 >scrubbed It got sued so apparently it did have to take a shit ton of content down.
>>12513 That site uses PajeetScript. The crawlers rarely collect those pages correctly. The archived page usually still gets the data from the live server.
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>HANK AARON I GOT THE COVID VACCINE! Hopes To Inspire Black Americans To Follow Suit https://archive.md/hAVRY >HANK AARON DEAD AT 86 https://archive.md/Ym7HN
>>12533 Of the three MSM outlets I checked, only one of them even mentioned the vaccine thing (at the very bottom of the article), and none mentioned the cause of death. Enquiring minds want to know people! How did this nigger actually die? I expect this will be memoryholed within a week.
>>12533 If the publishing of the first article happened the day of it goes > 01/05/2021 - vaccinated >14 day uncubation period >01/19/2021 - admitted to hospital for severe covid symptoms >put on ventilation for 3 days >01/22/2021 - dies That is assuming the Moderna vaccine killed him and not being exposed to some cross contaminant of covid at the hospital. Without any cause of death reporting it's all speculation though you shouldnt rule out pure coincidence. Does anyone know what is listed most commonly as the cause of death for those who go on ventilators?
>>12541 >cause of death from ventilators AFAIK the reports in China indicate bi-laterial penuomnia and fluid edema inducing heart issues, or multiple organ failure. I suspect that cytokine storms (hypercytokinemia) are also an unlisted one, those are common for novel illnesses but its hard to know what causes them (usually a new foreign agent in the body not seen before like Spanish flu).
>>12533 >>12541 Keep in mind that the vaccine's protection isn't instant. Even aside from the two-dose part, it's reported that it takes a couple weeks to actually protect you. I'd expect that even if the vaccine gave 100% protection with no side effects, there would still be a higher rate of cases among recently vaccinated people than the general population, because people are retards and are unlikely to actually pay attention to that sort of thing, and would rather think of getting the jab as being instant grounds to stop taking precautions.
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>>12548 Shit's all fucked: Covid-19: Reports from Israel suggest one dose of Pfizer vaccine could be less effective than expected https://web.archive.org/web/20210124114807/https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n217 >Concerns have been raised over how much protection a single dose of the Pfizer BioNTech covid-19 vaccine provides, following reports from Israel that it is much lower than expected. >Israel, which, like the UK, is currently in its third national lockdown, has so far vaccinated more than 75% of its older people with at least one dose. Early reports from the vaccine rollout have suggested that the first dose led to a 33% reduction in cases of coronavirus1 compared with efficacy of at least 52% reported in clinical trials.2 >A preliminary report from the Clalit Research Institute compared the infection data of 200 000 people aged 60 and over who were not vaccinated with the infection data of 200 000 people of the same age group who received one vaccine dose and were monitored for at least 11 days from the date of vaccination. On day 14 there was a “significant decrease of about 33% in the rate of positive tests for the coronavirus” among those who had been vaccinated. This decrease remained the same between days 15 and 17. >The report has raised concerns, as published results have suggested that the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine was 52.4% between the first and second dose (spaced 21 days apart), and data assessed by Public Health England indicated it could be as much as 89% protective from day 15 to 21. Federal COVID-19 vaccine reserve is now empty, sparking angry response https://web.archive.org/web/20210121221804/https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/534524-federal-covid-19-vaccine-reserve-is-now-empty >A new report says that while the Trump administration announced it was releasing a stockpile of COVID-19 vaccine initially held for second shots to accelerate lagging vaccination efforts nationwide, no such reserve existed. >On Tuesday, Health and Human Services Secretary (HHS) Alex Azar said the administration would no longer be holding back the second of two doses and recommended states open vaccination eligibility to everyone age 65 and older, as well as adults with comorbidities that put them at risk of severe illness. The Trump administration had previously been stockpiling half of available doses to ensure those who received the first jab would have access to the required second dose several weeks later. >Health officials said they were confident in the vaccine supply chain so doses no longer had to be reserved. The announcement had states readying for an increase in vaccine supply to begin vaccinating larger swaths of the public. >But a report from The Washington Post Friday said the Trump administration already released reserves in late December as production was ramping up, meaning the limited supply of vaccines currently being distributed to states will not increase as anticipated following Azar’s announcement. HHS did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Changing America. L452R MUTATION FOUND IN CALIFORNIA WAS CITED TO BE RESISTANT TO ANTIBODIES https://web.archive.org/web/20210118013507/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092867420308771 >Over 100 mutations were selected for analyses on their infectivity and antigenicity >The dominant D614G itself and combined with other mutations are more infectious >Ablation of both N331 and N343 glycosylation at RBD drastically reduced infectivity >Ten mutations such as N234Q, L452R, A475V, and V483A was markedly resistant to some mAbs >The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 has been undergoing mutations and is highly glycosylated. It is critically important to investigate the biological significance of these mutations. Here, we investigated 80 variants and 26 glycosylation site modifications for the infectivity and reactivity to a panel of neutralizing antibodies and sera from convalescent patients. D614G, along with several variants containing both D614G and another amino acid change, were significantly more infectious. Most variants with amino acid change at receptor binding domain were less infectious, but variants including A475V, L452R, V483A, and F490L became resistant to some neutralizing antibodies. Moreover, the majority of glycosylation deletions were less infectious, whereas deletion of both N331 and N343 glycosylation drastically reduced infectivity, revealing the importance of glycosylation for viral infectivity. Interestingly, N234Q was markedly resistant to neutralizing antibodies, whereas N165Q became more sensitive. These findings could be of value in the development of vaccine and therapeutic antibodies.
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Reposting a summary of supplemental shit from the old old thread: >Zinc (Citrate) Disrupts viral replication. Needs to enter cells to be effective. >Quercetin (Elderberry juice, isoquercetin) https://archive.is/o6fsh https://archive.is/1FrJx https://archive.vn/gdPCX >EGCG (Green tea) https://archive.is/CMoOn Allows zinc to enter cells. >Lecithin (Soy or sunflower) Aids Quercetin absorption. >Vitamin C Boosts zinc absorption; do not overdose. Requires fat to absorb. >Curcumin (Turmeric) http://archive.is/iBbCZ Increases circulating Zinc levels in the body. >Vitamin D Immunomodulator, regulates immune system to mitgate cytokine storms. >Magnesium (Citrate) Regulates Vitamin D levels. >Vitamin K2 Regulates blood clotting and Vitamin D levels. Requires fat to absorb. May be advisable to stop taking if infected due to blood clotting effects of disease. >Garlic (Aged Extract) https://archive.is/Yuhi7 Boosts celluar anti-viral response through interferon alpha. Must be crushed, chopped or chewed before consumption for beneficial effects. >Echinacea Prevents upper regulatory tract infections, effect is inconsistent. May trigger allergies. >Miscellaneous Strepsils and cough drops containing amylmetacresol & dichlorobenzyl alcohol / hexylresorcinol have variable anti-viral effects. Carragelose or povidone-iodine based nasal sprays if they are available. >Exercise >Check your blood oxygen levels >Pharmaceuticals Pseudoephedrine: Clears nasal congestion Guaifenesin: Thins mucus aiding in its clearance from the respiratory tract, use with postural drainage techniques Dextromethorphan: Cough suppressant Acetaminophen / Paracetamol: Only use if experiencing extremely high fevers, otherwise most adults are able to tolerate fever temperatures which aid in immune system performance while inhibiting viral growth Aspirin: For heart and circulatory system complications Dexamethasone: An anti-inflammatory steroid which was found to improve the survival rate of patients requiring ventilation and to a lesser degree of patients requiring oxygen therapy. Effect seems to be due to control of cytokine storms. Ivermectin: Prescription anti-parasitic medication, efficacy seems demonstrable in limited studies. Do not take veterinary form. Colchicine: Gout medication. "In the release, which was issued late Friday, the Montreal Heart Institute said that the rate of hospitalization or death was 21% lower among patients in its COLCORONA study who received colchicine compared to those who were randomly assigned to placebo. The study enrolled 4,488 patients. But here’s a caveat: the press release said these results were not statistically significant, although the numbers are close. When the researchers excluded 329 patients who were diagnosed with Covid-19 based on family contacts or clinical symptoms, but who did not have positive PCR tests, there was a 25% reduction in hospitalization, and substantial reductions in the need for mechanical ventilation and deaths." Unverified discussion with another Strelok: >Iodine is potentially good supplement, too (remember, Iodine is antiseptic and it is used for ex. to purify water and as mouthwash to clean your gums if you have a Candida yeast problem. As a side note, Iodine also helps your body to get rid of Fluoride). Don't forget to take your fish oil supplements, because apparently Omega-3 lowers inflammation and can make blood thinner (also, in addition to being anti-inflammatory and painkiller, Aspirin prevents clotting as well). Probiotics can be useful for preventing secondary infections but do not get a probiotics product that contains Saccharomyces Boulardii (or any other kind of yeast) since there have been reports of it causing systemic fungal infection in patients with a compromised immune system. Continued.
>>12554 >Zinc Acetate is probably the best form of Zinc supplement for preventing Corona-chan (and other kinds of respiratory infections) because it doesn't have to reach your gut before it starts absorbing (meaning Zinc Acetate likely protects your throat more than other forms of Zinc). The downside of Zinc Acetate is that it tastes like shit and it can accelerate the growth of Candida yeast in your mouth (remember to clean your tongue and go buy some Iodine mouthwash, if you do get a Candida problem). Finally, pure L-Arginine (or Arginine Hydrochloride) could also be a good supplement to add to your regime. Arginine improves blood flow and it is needed for production of Nitric Oxide (aka nitrogen monoxide) which is needed by your body for maintaining normal blood pressure and it plays a role in the immune system, as well. Arginine is also important for your blood veins because your endothelial cells need it. Nitric oxide therapy is being researched for treating Covid-19 https://doi.org/10.1016/j.micinf.2020.05.002 (plus, Arginine also helps your body to transfer fat away from your muscles and possibly helps your body to burn fat, and Arginine has been researched for preventing and treating non-alcoholic fatty liver). The potential downside of prolonged continuous use of Arginine supplements can be TMAO, which is a compound that's made by your gut bacteria. TMAO may or may not contribute for clotting of veins (the evidence is conflicting; there is possibility that TMAO doesn't actually have any significant effect on cardiovascular health). Researchers recommend taking Arginine for 2 months and then having a 2 week break before continuing the use of Arginine supplements (as a side note, you should take Arginine supplements between meals since other amino acids "compete" with Arginine absoption). >>>3618 >Doesn't Citrulline also help with nitric oxide production? I don't think it has the same issues with TMAO that Arginine has. >Incidentally Viagra also helps with altitude sickness due to similar effects on blood flow, and there were some studies indicating it could help with coronavirus induced low oxygen levels. >>>3631 >There are conflicting findings regarding the effectivity of Citrulline supplementation vs. Arginine supplementation. Citrulline gets converted into Arginine by the kidneys (so Citrulline doesn't eliminate the possible effects of TMAO. According to more recent studies, TMAO doesn't appear to be a significant factor after all). Watermelon is a good food source of Citrulline, and nuts are good food sources of Arginine. Based on what I have read, it seems that the best and most efficient way of increasing Arginine levels and Nitric Oxide levels is aerobic exercise combined with Arginine supplementation. Archive: http://archive.is/hESYg
>>12552 Awesome! Now I don't have to worry so much about defending my family against forced vaccinations
>>12581 Your going to get that science juice in your veins regardless, goy.
>>12582 you don't have to run faster than a bear, you just have to run faster than your hiking buddy
>>12554 Eggs will do the same thing any amount of lecithin would do. Just eat both the whites and the yolks.
So can we talk about how chemical weapons are more effective at covering square km per dollar compared to nuclear weapons or are we still going on about that covid shit? I think it's pretty important to analyze just how effective weapons are.
>>12914 The china virus literally comes from a lab though just read the BLAST multiple famous scientists have come out and said it could have only, been created in a lab. This "shitshow" is just a literal plandemic to rob people of all they have.
>>12916 The most retarded part is it's stopped by gargling mouthwash, vitamins, eggs, chicken, and fruit.
>>12920 I don't think I could gargle all of those things.
>>12921 *gargling mouthwash and a diet including
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>>12936 gargle your eggs, anon
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>hastily assembled Russian shitpost proves to be the most effective vaccine at 91.6%
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>>12199 /k/ WAS RIGHT AGAIN https://web.archive.org/web/20210208160005/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/08/oxford-covid-vaccine-10-effective-south-african-variant-study Oxford Covid vaccine has 10% efficacy against South African variant, study suggests >The Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine offers as little as 10% protection against the Covid variant first seen in South Africa, researchers have suggested. >Scientists who conducted a small-scale trial of the vaccine’s efficacy said it showed very little protection against mild to moderate infection, though they expressed hope that – in theory – it would still offer significant protection against more serious infection. >The disappointing results came as lab tests on the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine found it may still provide substantial protection against the variant. Scientists at the University of Texas medical branch collected antibody-containing blood plasma from 20 people who recently had two shots of the Pfizer/BioNTech jab. >In tests, the antibodies were on average 81% as effective at neutralising the engineered virus as they were at blocking older variants. The results, reported in Nature Medicine, suggest the variant’s key mutation, known as E484K, does not dramatically undermine the vaccine’s protection. >South Africa has halted the rollout of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab, while a UK health minister indicated that an annual Covid jab could become the norm for many people as scientists work to stay a step ahead of the virus’s mutations. >Prof Shabir Madhi from the University of the Witwatersrand, who led the trial, said that, while the study was small, it was designed to focus on determining whether or not the vaccine had at least 60% efficacy against Covid to any degree of severity. >“The results that we now describe against the variant, the point estimate is 10%. Clearly, that is far off the 60% mark and, even if you had a larger study you are unlikely to get to a vaccine efficacy readout of even 40 or 50%,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. >“What the study results really tell us is that, in a relatively young age group demographic – with very low prevalence of morbidities such as hypertension and diabetes etc – the vaccine does not protect against mild to moderate infection.”
>>13039 >>13039 >at neutralising the engineered virus >corporate-media drones literally admitting to the plandemic Freudian slip, or did I miss something here?
>>13039 In defense of big pharma, a 10% efficacy is still a large enough benefit to justify giving it if you can force even a significant portion of the population to take it. The difference between a virus spreading rapidly or not is basically a difference of about 1-2% infection rate, and this could cause a 0.2% decrease in infectivity or so.
>>13040 No you read it right. All of our data for basically every vaccine variant is based on a genome engineered by China. They're saying in lab studies.
>>13043 Except for all the people it kills from having it lowers that protection rate below 10.
>>13039 >>12964 Why should i give a fuck about jew pharma vaccines? DYOR and you find out most of it is literally 21th century vodoo along with the underpinning rationale which is literally unproven theory.
>>12533 >nobodys buying and taking it >get some niggercattle celeb as a copium that masses will accept strange poz science juice in their veins kek
>>13054 t. schizo
>>13054 im surprised to find people here actually believe covid is anything more than the flu; or even real. i cant even imagine what it feels like to be that gullible
>>13118 Instead of admitting they fell for end of the world hype (again) some fags here doubled down over it. I thought it was gonna be a whole lot worse at first too, but there's been what like 2 million deaths worldwide over the course of a year and a couple months with a significant portion of those deaths either being due to underlying conditions or outright "he had covid when he got hit by a truck so covid killed him" tier fudging of numbers. It's barely worse than swine flu or bird flu were when they were being hyped years ago. Everything that comes out of China is a massive disappointment.
>>13071 Yeah, while the disease itself may be real the fear sure isn't organic, they want mongoloid npc retards like >>13071 to literally sit there and seethe 24/7 in fear so the kikes can keep robbing us doing all these fucking cancer destructive narratives destroying our dying societies with debt poz and niggers ceeating a bunch of retarded wagecuck consumer slaves in the process who are forced to compete on a global level with 10cent p/hr third world slaves, the plandemic is just so they can distract people while continuing to drive all their parasitic terror policies against us behind the scenes, that's all. >what if i get the fluuuu (reality: 99.8% chance of survival) >trust big pharma!! They are looking out for our interests guythe i'll dieeeee if i dont get the kike juice reeeeee (reality: can still get whatever they were injected with later loool) In reverse if it really was as deadly and scary as they make it seem they'd literally just cover it up, die it down and act like nothing like the spanish flu while they quickly retreat and get in their bunkers and yachts/islands. That's literally what they'd do.
>>13163 >2million deaths scary virus Dude the funny thing is millions have died from flu pandemics before, it's nothing new at all. Actually 4 million died in 1969-70. It's literally out in the open. https://www.britannica.com/event/1968-flu-pandemic
>>13166 Oh wow, so cough cuckery barely comes close to half of that with inflated numbers from underlying conditions and accidents and in an era where international travel is much easier than it was during the cold war. Everything about this shit is fucking ludicrous.
>>13164 >implying they weren't already robbing you two years ago, that they aren't robbing you now, and they won't rob you tomorrow >implying you actually have the courage to do anything to change the course of history You will eat the bugs. You will enter the pods. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
>>13177 Just spam the board and get it over with nigger pill god damn.
>>13178 If you hate it so much do something with your life to prove me wrong instead of blowing hot air up everyone's ass.
>>13180 Do it fag, we all already know what you're gonna say, you literally never do anything different. Just do it so you can get banned and repeat the fucking cycle.
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>>13118 It was just a flu. A flu with a higher death rate than average because the body is not used to dealing with Coronaviruses (the docking mechanism, not this specific one). The concern was, is, and remains twofold: 1) That it had/has a high mutation rate that makes it able to adapt similar to how Spanish Flu did. You're seeing this right now with mutations that specifically make it easier to infect (and thus kill) children by sheer viral load. 2) That outside of small pockets of the world like South Korea and their SARS epidemic, most of the world had become too relaxed in regards to mass viral spread and the working culture of the international community made us prone for another Spanish Flu-tier outbreak between third worlders who don't practice proper hygiene and first worlders who have no sense of caution. I and others have cautioned against global systems in part due to the influences behind them, but more importantly because mass use of antibiotics and poor hygiene was going to create a supervirus. We were due for one and Corona in comparison is fairly milquetoast, but even being a milquetoast flu-bug with a higher-than-average death rate and potential permanent long-term consequences (not uncommon, see the aftermath of Scarlet Fever back in the 1800s), it's managed to disrupt global hegemony as we know it. >I thought it was gonna be a whole lot worse at first too I don't know what anons are talking about with this. When I made predictions to /k/ in January of last year I proposed that it would likely disrupt global trade leading to shortages and that world leaders would be forced to choose their economies or the lives of their citizens. World leaders have since fucked up worse than I could have ever imagined, with the exceptions, funnily enough, of China and Iran. I predicted that you would see the virus mostly kill older people for the first year, but by the second or third year it will mutate to mostly infect healthy adults and/or children since they would be the ones who have the most exposure to one another and thus be the easiest vector for the virus to spread through if it mutated. When I discovered that children had less severe symptoms due to the methods in which the virus worked back in May, I readdressed this point and made note that the schools would likely open back up at least partially and you would see the virus mutate to affect children. The strain going through South America that will soon hit America and then spread globally did this. I predict that like Spanish Flu, the next mutation within about a year or two will be to affect primarily men aged 20-40 since men in that age gap are both the least prone to personal hygiene and the most prone to being in close proximity to one another during a pandemic. All of my predictions up until this point about how the virus would affect global trade and how countries would respond to it have held up. The discrepancies can largely be attributed to half-assed measures. We are currently at the stage in the virus where everyone wants to return to normalcy because of all the restrictions for the last year, which is precisely the point where you will see a boom in infections, as I predicted. I expect another "wave" come Spring when people no longer have the excuse of cold weather to stay at home but will still be in close contact with one another. The only discrepancy from my predictions that I did not account for over the last year was that the re-infection rate is actually far lower than I had suspected originally.
>>13184 I meant to respond to >>13163 apologies. Anyways... >but there's been what like 2 million deaths worldwide over the course of a year and a couple months There have been more deaths from Corona in America in a single year than there were in the roughly three years that America was involved in WWII. The deaths during WWII contributed directly to the "baby boom" and surge in the economy post-war due to a lack of labor. The difference between now and then is that third world countries have easy access to first world countries in our modern global system so you're getting the civil unrest without the promise of a brighter future as was the case during previous events that killed this many people. While admittedly that number is heavily skewed towards older generations, in many first world countries those older individuals tend to work well into their 60s/70s/80s and you're seeing the slow death of certain industries (such as unions, thank god) because the Boomers never trained their replacements, pulled the ladder up with them to keep out their children/grand children, and are now mass dying off finally. Should the virus mutate to affect working adults like I predict it will by next year, then we're in for some pretty hellish times. >Either being due to underlying conditions Well yes, that's how most viruses end up killing people. The issue is this isn't the 1800s where only the healthy survive and reproduce. The infirm, frail, etc. have had about three to six generations to spread their shitty genes through the population due to advances in medicine in the 1800s/first half of the 1900s. >or outright "he had covid when he got hit by a truck so covid killed him" tier While these certainly happened, they are not as frequent as one would think. In the cases where they did happen, they were largely due to the medical staff being overworked/not having time to fill out the paperwork or were perpetuated by doctor advocacy groups to raise awareness at the national level to get something done. They worked quite efficiently at getting hospitals supplies/personnel they were previously lacking. >It's barely worse than swine flu or bird flu were when they were being hyped years ago. Swine flu killed 200k people globally. A tenth of Corona in the same timespan. Avian influenza is even less deadly when you look at the timespan of its infection (600k in the US since 1997). If Corona mysteriously goes away tomorrow it will still have been more deadly than bird flu, despite causing fewer deaths. >Everything that comes out of China is a massive disappointment. Well yes. The bugmen need to have all their ports blown up or blockaded so they can experience another Great Famine already.
I'll apologize to anon though. I did make one mistake. I expected that with China closed, lithium anti-psychotics and ADHD meds would not be distributed and we would see a surge in mass shootings. As of this time, India managed to replace China as the world producer of both of those types of drugs.
>>13187 Your word salad doesn't make cough cuckery any less of an overhyped dud. It's a huge joke and it isn't anything resembling a world ender, much less anything worth killing entire economies over. Plus all this >me me I my predictions me me I me my talk you're putting out is dumb, I don't know who you are, your predictions alone mean jackshit, and I'm not talking about you specifically anyway because nothing you're saying is even remotely unique, you weren't making some grand predictions a year ago that anyone would bother taking note of or else someone would have sucked your cock over it. This just makes me think you're one of the double down faggots I was talking about and you really hate being wrong about a happening that wouldn't actually have been a happening without kikes deliberately exacerbating the situation.
>>13188 Ah holy fuck I'm coming off as a real cunt here and I don't mean it personally, sorry Strelok. I don't think this chink cold shit is anywhere near as bad as media and government faggots hype it up to be but that's no reason to be such a tremendous faggot. I was already bitter as shit before 2020 and that year only made it worse.
>>13186 <that jingle Heh. Our culture used to be sensible, and an actual benefit to it's people. Nothing like the 'culture' of today. Just remember what they've stolen from your family.
>>13193 Well, for one, they stole my Nigger Boy™ brand steel wool soap pads.
>>13186 Couldn't the chinks cook up new strains to keep the scam going?
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>>13186 >There have been more deaths from Corona in America in a single year than there were in the roughly three years that America was involved in WWII. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_United_States#Historical_Census_population >1940 132,164,569 >2020 332,639,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war >World War II 405,399 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States >More than 27,400,000 confirmed cases have been reported since January 2020, resulting in more than 480,000 deaths, the most of any country and the eighth-highest per capita. In other words, the population of Burgeristan is roughly 2,5 times greater than back then, so the proportionally equivalent loss of life from ww2 would be around 1 million people today. If Corona-chan keeps up the good work she will need a bit more than a year to get to that point. And considering how slow vaccination is and how fed up people (and shitskins) are with the current lockdowns, I suspect she's not going to slow down. If anything these new variants will be deadlier overall.
>>13200 The poos are doing that for free.
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>>13201 In defense of that number, WWII saw mostly young men die while Corona is killing off mainly the old, infirm, and niggers. So, at least in my opinion, Wu Flu is doing god's work and I'm content to work my essential job and stay at home if she wants to keep fucking up the world economy and causing mass unrest.
>>13200 Wouldn't matter since it's mutating naturally. There's a South American strain that seems to target children specifically beginning to spread through the Western World, whatever the fuck the UK variant is doing that allegedly makes it "more dangerous," and a strain in South Africa (where China does a lot of trading) that the vaccine only has a 10% efficacy against. Don't even need to cook up a new strain when the virus is doing just that in response to vaccinations. Keep in mind the virus is not literally doing that, but rather that's how viruses mutate if you don't basically launch a genocide campaign against them. I don't believe Corona is the end of the world, but I do believe there is much to gain from abusing the Wu Flu and strelo/k/s need to consider these factors. Whether you consider the virus real or not (it is), whether it came from a Chink janitor making bat soup out of experimentation bats or deliberate spread, Corona-chan is killing off the excess fat, creating mass unrest, and crashing the global economy with no survivors. And that's a good thing. :^)
>>13208 >the vaccine only has a 10% efficacy against. There are at least 5 vaccines currently on the market if I'm not mistaken, and all of them are different. And there isn't enough of them available to properly vaccinate all of the EU and the USA, especially because the immunity only lasts for 10 months at best. Of course the sane method would be to keep testing all of them for a few years until we learn which one works best (or works at all) and what are the potential risks, and then mass produce that one. Instead millions of people are turned into Guinea pigs and the whole effort is wasted because it's not enough for herd immunity.
>>13205 >>13201 >>13208 >fear fear fear fear >fear be distracted You get that this bullshit is a distraction right? Now I want you to take into consideration what fucking effort it takes to convince highly educated people(they're not people anymore just retarded highly programmed drones) that a virus of a mortality rate of astonishingly low 99.~% is worthy of consequences like putting hundreds upon hundreds of people out of work with 70% of businesses destroyed, ever increasing debt, soul crushing depression, deadly vaccines and to keep promoting these and this insane flu narrative when 9.6 MILLION people died of cancer in 2017. Yet cancer isn't the problem. This bullshit like >>13166 pointed out is a fucking nothingburger. It's literally nothing. >>13209 >Herd immunity Herd immunity is a theory and fad of the times, it is not based on fact. It's a theoretical model, an assumption that does not discuss genetic, inherited immunity. the vaccine doesn't prevent coronavirus infection. It helps protect against serious illnesses
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>>13212 2 "the vaccine doesn't prevent coronavirus infection. It helps protect against serious illnesses" And yes they literally admit this openly. Over and over again. "Helping to protect against serious illnesses" is something un-quantifiable and completely unproven. It's just like the quackery of stating that if you take this 99.99$ super male bulk vitality supplement from mr.Alex Jonestein "it will protect you from cancer". That's explicitly illegal marketing that will get you into a-lot of trouble. On the other hand it's illegal for mr.Alex Jonestein to do this, but only okay if big pharma does it, one rule for them and one for you and that's how scum like (((them))) operate since time immemorial. We're all supposed to conveniently ignore this contradiction of course because they're banking on the sad fact that most people are actual cretins and simpletons who for the most part don't have the capacity of critical thinking to examine things individually or DTOR.
>>13212 The real distraction is that you are posting there instead of going out and doing what has to be done.
>>13214 You too faggot.
>>13214 The laundry?
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>>13212 >fear fear fear fear I'm sorry that being honest scares you. I felt no fear in the things I wrote, I was just giving the most objective analysis I could. >Now I want you to take into consideration what fucking effort it takes It's important to distinguish between university pedants and people crunching the numbers. When the virus first hit last year, a full quarantine on all non-essential staff (true essential like agriculture and health workers, and not "government likes you" Department of Defense/news media essential) for about 2-3 months, despite hurting businesses tremendously, would have prevented everything we are currently experiencing in relation to this virus. If that had been done before we hit the 100k milestone of people dead, then the economic losses of shuttering businesses, perhaps permanently, would have been negligible. You are severely underestimating the economic impact of people dying. The damage has not been done precisely because of the limited efforts that have been made to prevent the spread of the disease. The issue is that most 1st world countries took the objectively worst approach of quarantines to keep the hospitals from being overrun without any substance to them, ensuring you get both the economic downfall from loss of human life and from closed businesses/trade. When you hear "highly educated people" arguing for or against quarantine, assuming they aren't just pedants doing whatever the government tells them to, what they are actually arguing is whether or not it's worth continuing to do quarantines at this stage in the game. >is a fucking nothingburger. It's literally nothing. Sure, whatever. The data doesn't lie and every single country (state in the case of America) who took this approach to the virus saw death rates skyrocket while hospitals were overrun leading to mass death both from the virus and from people being unable to access the healthcare they need/could access under normal circumstances. This happened in South Dakota, this happened in the UK, this happened in Czechia, and I'm sure it happened elsewhere. But that's just a nothingburger, right? Secondary effects to infrastructure are almost always worse than the primary victims of a virus and unfortunately no one cares/everyone only sees how it's affected their work/their free time until their own begin to die from it. >Vaccines The vaccines are a joke, but I won't get into that can of worms.
>>13214 >The real distraction is that you are posting there instead of going out and doing what has to be done. Thanks for reminding me I hadn't transferred my clothes to the dryer or eaten dinner.
While you retards are worrying about a flu with fudged numbers I'm using the mask mandates to my advantage and stealing ammo from Walmarts. Virgin cuck muzzle vs the chad masked marauder.
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>>13246 Yeah, sure. Pick me up a six pack of natty light while you're at it, fag.
>>13254 >Natty Light Figures a cuckc muzzle would put such disgusting trash down their gullet.
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>>13255 It's a joke. Learn to take it easy.
>>13256 My response was clearly also banter.
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>>12134 Well was there anything more interesting in the leaked files?
How come the only groups that ever seem to give solid grounded opinions are the physicists? I only hear batshit insane garbage from medical workers and biologists, while physicists and chemists are generally on-point despite not being tied to the medical field. I say this as someone who's more physics-inclined, but it generally seems like the "hard" science enthusiasts seem to be the most likely to look at any given scenario objectively whether it's Wu Flu, accounting, etc.
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>>13840 >>13839 This is getting annoying. If I include text with a post, there's a 50/50 chance it doesn't go through, but if I don't include text, there's a 100% chance it goes through.
>>13839 Medicine and biology are not hard sciences?
>>13839 They are trying to go woke too. >t. Physics undergraduate Basically they are pushig the narrative that mayh is racist and that 1+1 doesnt equal 2.
>>13852 This is what happens when men stop being in charge.
>>13850 When you begin to look into their methodologies they barely qualify.
There was one study that investigated whether Bromhexine (Bisolvon) could be used to remedy the buildup of excessive mucus. (Bromhexine also inhibits TMPRSS2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7175911/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7249615/ I wonder whether Cetirizine (Zyrtec) could be useful for covid-19 infection as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7833340/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7455799/ But don't over dose anti-histamines. Do not use multiple different anti-histamine drugs. >>12554 >>12555 > colchicine good and old drug. it's safe when used properly, but if you over dose (or take other drugs/herbal remedies that inhibit an enzyme called CYP3A4) , it is also toxic (it inhibits cell division) and there is no antidote available currently (you don't necessarily die if you are hospitalized, though. you can fully recover from colchicine toxicity) > Vitamin K2 there is one caveat: covid-19 infection can cause blood clotting (inflammation is the reason why liquid accumulates in the lungs of patients with severe corona infection) also, people who take blood thinners are advised to not take vitamin K supplement (and sometimes Ibuprofen) > Aspirin using Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) during viral infection can trigger Reye syndrome in some people, especially kids. the doses used for cardiovascular diseases are lower than the ones used when using aspirin as painkiller/for fever. > Zinc > Vitamin D these two supplements are widely recommended. also i want to point out that zinc inhibits absorption of minerals (such as magnesium and iron) > Vitamin C requires fat to absorb. it depends whether you take it in Ascorbyl palmitate form (fat-soluble) or as L-ascorbic acid. L-ascorbic acid is water-soluble and harder to over-dose (you can take 1 gram of L-ascorbic acid up to 3 times a day)
>>13859 I think I fucked up because Vitamin D is the one that is fat-soluble, not C.
Is it possible to transfer smallpox to someone through a blanket? Also did the CSA's plan of selling Yellow Fever-ridden blankets to the Union actually work?
>>13863 Smallpox was largely spread through either direct skin contact for prolonged periods or bodily fluids. Since the virus can apparently stay dormant for an extremely long time, getting smallpox victim's skin/fluids into blankets could potentially spread the disease. Keep in mind the only reason we eliminated smallpox is because that dormant strategy of the virus made it mutate extremely slowly, making even its infection between different strains (cowpox) fairly similar. Similar enough for the first successful vaccine to be created using the much milder Cowpox virus. >Also did the CSA's plan of selling Yellow Fever-ridden blankets to the Union actually work? Don't know anything about it so I'd have to read up on it.
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>>11428 >>11430 Beata Corona sends her tidings: Hungarian Gypsies Dying Like Animals, Blame Racism >Coronavirus infections are ravaging Hungary’s 700,000-strong Roma community, according to personal accounts that suggest multiple deaths in single families are common in an unchecked outbreak fuelled by deep distrust of authorities. >Data on infections in the community is unavailable but interviews with about a dozen Roma, who often live in cramped and unsanitary conditions, reveal harrowing stories of suffering and death and of huge health-care challenges. >“Our people are falling like flies,” said Aladar Horvath, a Roma rights advocate who travels widely among the community. >When asked by phone to describe the overall situation, he broke down sobbing and said he had learned an hour before that his 35-year-old nephew had died of COVID. >Another Roma, Zsanett Bito-Balogh, likened the outbreak in her town of Nagykallo in eastern Hungary to an explosion. >“It’s like a bomb went off,” she said. >“Just about every family got it…People you see riding their bikes one week are in hospital the next and you order flowers for their funerals the third.” >Bito-Balogh, who herself recovered twice from COVID-19, said that at one point she had 12 family members in hospital. She said she had lost two uncles and her grandmother to the virus in the past month, and a neighbour lost both parents, a cousin and a uncle within weeks. >She says she is now rushing to organise in-person registration points for vaccines and plans to have the network up and running in a few weeks. >Despite the challenges in persuading many Roma to turn to health authorities for medical care and vaccinations, Roma leaders are urging the government to do more to intervene and tackle what Horvath describes as a humanitarian crisis. >Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s chief of staff, Gergely Gulyas, said vaccinations would be rolled out to Roma but that the community needed to volunteer for their shots. >“Once we get to that point, the younger Roma should get in line,” Gulyas said in answer to Reuters questions. The Roma community is predominantly young, which means their vaccinations are scheduled later than for older Hungarians. >The government’s chief epidemiologist did not respond to requests for comment. >Decades of mistrust >Barely 9% of Roma want to be vaccinated against COVID-19, according to a survey carried out at Hungary’s University of Pecs in January but published here for the first time. It was conducted by Zsuzsanna Kiss, a Roma biologist and professor at Hungary’s University of Pecs. >Kiss said the Roma have mistrusted doctors and governments for decades because of perceived discrimination. >However, gaining Roma trust is not the only challenge. >Hungary’s 6,500 general practitioners are leading the vaccine roll-out, but 10% of small GP clinics are shut because there is no doctor to operate them, mostly in areas with high Roma populations, government data shows. >Although the government has deployed five “vaccination buses” that tour remote areas, people must first register for inoculations. >“The rise in cases (among the Roma) is clearly proportionate to vaccine rejection,” said former Surgeon General Ferenc Falus. >“This more infectious virus reaches a population whose immune system has weakened greatly during the winter months. If they go without vaccines for long, it will definitely show in extra infections and fatalities among the Roma.” >Hungary currently has the world’s highest weekly per capita death toll, driven by the more contagious variant first detected in Britain, despite a rapid vaccination rollout, data from Johns Hopkins University and the European Union indicates. >“We never trusted vaccines much,” said Zoltan Varga, a young Roma also from Nagykallo. https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002933/https://www.euractiv.com/section/non-discrimination/news/falling-like-flies-hungarys-roma-community-pleads-for-covid-help/
>>14539 >he broke down sobbing and said he had learned an hour before that his 35-year-old nephew had died of COVID. >35-year-old Pure crisis-acting horseshit. Sandy-hoax tier. I guess """TPTB""" think ppl will just keep gulping down their swill without a second's hesitation now. This sort of 'news' will become unbelievably ridiculous with the onset of fall as they try to herd everyone back into their hovels after summer is over.
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>>14539 lmao gypos
>>14564 >oni-chán That hurts. The ˝normal˝ a sound is already the Hungarian ˝short á˝, but they can also lengthen it for something that is roughly the same as á. So you'd have to use á instead of a (e.g. Jámáto instead of Jamato), and then write áá for the long á. And then oni is also wrong, either go full weeb with onii-csan, or make it a bit more palpatable with oní-csan.
>>14566 Mind translating if for us Strelok? Don't think the majority of us here can understand that poster except for the one word you criticized heh
>>14590 >Hey, onii-chan! >Did you know that gypsies are only 9% of the population and yet the commit two-third of crimes? >But that's some gigantic over-representation! >Indeed, that's gigantic, onii-chan!
>>14591 Topkek. Do you know anything about the sponsors ?
>>14610 From what I can find it wasn't a paid ad, somebody just opened up the case and put in the poster without paying the company that maintains these things.
>>14631 Heh, that's even better in a way. Social vandalism for the greater good. Poor gypsies, though. Just imagine both the response and how fast if she was telling the truth about the Holohoax instead? >"Onii-chan, did you know the holohoax is pure fabrication? >"Really? >"Yes! >...
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Corona-chan variant # or whatever is deployed in India seems to be having a pretty successful run. Even if the disease itself is treatable it is disruptive enough to cause a run on medical services, like the Viet-Cong aiming to maim instead of kill. What are the chances they're brewing up some more?
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>Dead bodies of Covid-19 patients being cremated at a crematorium in Northeast Delhi, India. 1000's of Indians are facing an acute shortage of basic healthcare. https://web.archive.org/web/20210424183654/https://twitter.com/shahidtantray/status/1385621135245512709
>>15159 >>15163 It should be noted that India compromises about 20% of over-the-counter/generic drugs worldwide and closer to about half of OTC drugs in America. They also produce something like 70-80% of lithium drugs (anti-psychotics being the main one) and ADHD medications used by Burgers. OTC drugs have shelf lives in the six months to a year ranges (a little bit longer for painkillers) because of rapid oxidation, so you can't even build up a real stockpile of them. If India's pharmaceutical market collapses it will be really fun to see what the loonies, the non-loonies on loony pills, and all the parents who drug up their kids end up doing in the next half year if this keeps up. My little brother is on ADHD meds because he legitimately needs them to function in office/classroom settings, but thankfully he works an outdoor manual labor job so he shouldn't be too heavily affected.
>>15165 >he lets his brother take his meds cringe... you know the truth yet do this
Angela Merkel shits herself as India's Cases Skyrocket Angela Merkel says EU 'allowed India' pharma to become too big as bloc fears jab shortage. https://archive.is/gEwEL >Angela Merkel has said India has become "too big" of a pharmaceutical producer as major concerns rise in the bloc that they will not receive enough medicines as jabs are redirected in India to cope with rising infections. Speaking at a meeting of the European Commission on Wednesday Merkel took aim at India as it is engulfed in a massive second wave of covid. >Despite India having exported an estimated 66 million doses to 94 countries as of April 22 through the Serum Institute of India according to India's Ministry of External Affairs, Merkel said she “expect it to honour its promises" in delivering to the bloc. She also branded the EU has not "treated" it's pharmaceutical industry "so well" over the years. >The German Chancellor said: "Since we have a situation in India because of the dramatic pandemic situation over there, we are concerned whether they can export pharmaceutical products to us.” >Merkel went on to explain that Europe is now in a risky position with its vaccine production which relies heavily on India, one of the worlds largest vaccine producers, who have now been forced to divert vaccines to tackle their own rising infections. >India exported an estimated $229 million worth of pharmaceutical products to Germany alone in 2019 and is a major hub of vaccines used by Germany. >Merkel added: "From the European side, in the expectation that this should then also be complied with. >“We expect it to honour its promises." >"And if it can't, we will have to rethink.” >Government officials in India reported a staggering 314,835 new cases on Thursday. >And crematoriums are burning bodies 24/7 in the open air leaving cities across India filled with smoke as the nation struggles to control the rapid spread of infection. >The massive wave of the virus is being driven by a more contagious variant, the India variant, which has a double mutation in the spike protein. >Speaking earlier this week to the BBC Newsnight on Thursday, Dr Bhavna Pandya Chair of the Medical Committee at the Hindu Forum Britain said: "When I visited India not long ago, I asked my family members and friends 'Why have you not taken your vaccine jab?', they said there is no Covid." >Dr Pandya also highlighted issues posed by deliberate disinformation campaigns in preventing health officials to fight the new wave. >Reports suggest a number of hospitals lack oxygen supplies for treating Covid patients with at least two hospitals in the capital Delhi said they were running out of oxygen, while a number of people are said to have died while waiting for new supplies to arrive. For those who are having trouble understanding the oxygen crisis, atmospheric oxygen is about 20% of the air you breath, whereas oxygen administered for industrial and medical use is 60% or higher by percentage oxygen. This is because compressed oxygen is typically a byproduct of liquid nitrogen production and is not considered valuable enough to have dedicated facilities to produce.
>>15166 While I know you're just being a bundle of sticks: A) He's in his 20s and it's his choice. B) There's a difference between people who "need" it and people who have high-energy kids that get prescribed bullshit. He's been on the same minimal dosage they usually prescribe to 7 year olds since he was 13, and has never needed to increase his dosage since he only needs it to overcome that little hurdle to focus on sit-down tasks. I've seen the difference of when he's on vs off his meds, and they work. Besides, he only takes them when he has to sit down and shut up for more than 30 minutes (such as doctor's visits or company meetings).
>>15169 using medicine that fucks up your brain is unironically worse than being mentally ill in the first place and yes he's in his 20s but clearly he isn't sane enough if he must take meds to function to make the best choice for himself i have history of schizophrenia in the family, one uncle and one grandpa, both from my father's side. one is a hobo by choice who doesn't take his meds and the other suicided in a mental asylum. i really think that, no matter what, having control of your brain rather than fucking it up with whatever, being able to somehow discipline yourself to function no matter how fucked you are, is a 10x better choice than becoming a docile medicated cattle
>>15171 thank's for reading my blogpost btw, but it was important for context
>>15171 >>15172 The part that boggles my mind is that people think medication is the answer to everything. The DISM IV definitions changed for this reason because the industry realized just how much money they could earn I get if you have actual illness cases and not the "slight deviations" from the normal, you shouldn't be on meds. The entire goal is so they can predict and preprogram your behavior. I've seen scans of people on depression/BPD meds for 10+ years and it scares me. Holy shit the grey matter just looks diseased. >slightly related Looks like hollywood gonna be LIT tonight I hope. >The Los Angeles Police Department reported a shooting in Hollywood that left one man dead Saturday afternoon. >Officers first responded to reports of shots fired near Sunset Boulevard and Fairfax Avenue around 2:30 p.m., according to the LAPD. https://ktla.com/news/local-news/fatal-police-shooting-in-hollywood-leaves-one-man-dead/ https://archive.is/ywYtI >Actually on topic Apparently the number cruncher are getting yuppie since people ain't taking the vaccine as much as they thought it would. Also, the army is still playing covid fearporn. See pics related
>>15171 ADHD medications are speed, anon. If you don't have ADHD, they have the reverse effect and completely fuck your ability to focus, so I don't know what you're even going on about. He's in full control of his brain, the pills just slow everything down and make the distractions go away. I'd know since I stole one of his pills one time to get through a 12 hour study session since I also have it, but my dad was of the same mindset that you are and refused to let me ever hop on the pills, which stunted my ability to learn for a very, very long time and has fucked me over in obtaining an education/getting through job interviews at several points in my life. Unless you also don't ingest caffeine, alcohol, pain relievers, melatonin, etc. you can rightfully fuck off with this luddite nonsense.
>>15186 I don't ingest those retarded drugs either, anon. i care for my body. every once in a while i drink a little bit of alcohol with my friends, but that is it. and you can't compare modern medication with shit like caffeine and alcohol, don't go there. that's stupid. you're just killing yourself and your brain slowly. instead of disciplining yourself you just use drugs. your brain will quickly rot and then it's over for you. worst part is that you yourself won't even realize it happening, you'll just become a dumbass and think everything is fine, because you can't actually think properly
>>15201 You're not wrong per se but there are limits to what you're saying, imagine you were telling a guy without legs that using a wheelchair is for the weak, he should be disciplined and learn to walk with his hands, it makes sense in a way, the wheelchair will make him weak, he could realistically learn to walk with his hands, but in practical terms that attitude is gonna negatively impact his life. The brain is a bunch of chemistry, sometimes artificial chemistry is needed to improve a person's life, like the wheelchair. Another issue entirely is over medication, which is probably what you worry about, but you're basically throwing the baby with the bathwater there.
>>15201 >what was pervitin
>>15203 i dont even know if they actually used it or if it was propaganda. but on the other hand, i'm not a hitler worshipper. he wasn't a military man, and he lost the war. he doesn't deserve to be worshipped >>15202 it's so rare to be mentally disabled enough to actually need medication. you can see how the rates of prescription for these drugs has skyrocketed in recent years. also, if people in medieval times could live mentally ill and not kill their brain with poison, why can't people now? most of these conditions like PTSD and ADHD are caused by experiences rather than some medical condition, yet they are treated like a chronic disease to be helped with medication. again, people in old times would probably treat PTSD as paranoia , something to help make sure a traumatic experience doesn't repeat again. that's how people lived with it i'm pretty sure. don't see why in modern days you need to take drugs for several years and come out a sedated sheep with no more emotions and act like you're now cured. what i'm saying is, being mentally ill is better than being mentally ill and medicated for 10 years
>>15204 Hitler's military incompetence has been greatly exaggerated, he was no Napoleon but neither he was the reason for Germany's defeat as it is often portrayed. >if people in medieval times could live mentally ill and not kill their brain with poison I don't think they would live for long >why can't people now? Because we have better treatments for that and many other things. Dude, i get you, i do think over-prescription is a huge problem, but i also think a complete spartan attitude on the matter would do more harm than good to many people, most? all? a few? i don't know.
>>15205 people in medieval times lived to 50-60 the reason the life expectancy was so low is because infant mortality was really high, but once someone reached the age of 15, up to 40, they were healthy enough to survive most sicknesses and non-severe famines. then from 40 up depends on the situation. if a famine happens they'll probably die because they rapidly lose the ability to support themselves, and their immune system is very fucked so a severe disease can also take them down. and i think Hitler's military incompetence is not exaggerated because he knew fuck all about military, his role in ww1 was a messenger for most of the war. compare that to leaders like Stalin who actually have military experience, and in leading no less. and sorry, but i do think that a spartan attitude is the best thing in this matter. i don't trust modern medicine at all, especially something which was basically all created and theorized after ww1
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>>15206 >using medieval life as the measure, instead of hunter gatherer society Life expectancy actually declined with increased population density and the agricultural revolution enabling the spread of animal to human disease, if you're looking for the "best" life. The spread of popular insanity is due to the failure of natural instinct to cope with technological acceleration and an educational system designed to keep the masses in perpetual anxiety to milk their brains dry. It's hilarious when an NPC realizes they might be just a tool being worked over but is wired so they are incapable of pointing fingers at ((who)) it would benefit.
>>15206 Again, find the spartan attitude valuable, but i'd put more limits to it than you i guess, in the case of that anon and his brother i'm not gonna judge them if they think it's worked for them. From what i know i'd take Hitler over Stalin when it comes to grand strategy, though i'm certainly not completely happy with that choice.
>>15208 Maybe, the nutrition quality surely declined, but the stability of food and the amount of people you can support multiplied. Thing is, you can't really tell because hunter gatherers didn't really record much, so it's hard to say by how much. Pastoral nomads surely had way better lives than settled ruralfags, but hunter gathers are too ooga-booga tier for me >>15211 i really like stalin, and i think his only real big strategical mistake in ww2 was thinking hitler wouldn't be stupid enough to attack him. i guess he really believed hitler was benefit-oriented like him and not a more spiritual guy
>>15211 Weren't Stalin's military blunders largely attributable to his inner circle killing everyone who brought bad news creating a feedback loop/death spiral? Seems like so long as he remains a subordinate he'd provide better military advice.
>>15214 That's propaganda to exaggerate his killings, he wasn't a cartoon villain
>>15212 > the stability of food and the amount of people you can support multiplied. And along with it social decadence, that led to the regular destruction and renewal of urban societies by the barbarian nomads around them. Fair point about hunter-gatherers, pastoral nomads and viking raiders are the advanced form of the mobile society.
>>15215 You're right, he was worse, like every authoritarian socialist leader has been. Your point?
>>15217 don't compare Stalin to internationalists >>15216 eugenics is beautiful isn't it...
>>15218 The Soviet Union was literally 'the internationale'. What are you on about?
>>15219 until stalin changed the communist policy from a single internationalist blob to national communism. that bossnigger kruschev went against it but by then it was too late
>>15220 Central Asians were shipped throughout European Russia resulting in mongrels. It wasn't ethnic nationalist, it was civnat at best. "Socialism in one country," not "socialism for one nation."
>>15221 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Meskhetian_Turks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Karachays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Balkars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Kalmyks that bossnigger Khrushchev reverted most of these deportations later, so little actually happened Stalin also shipped over a million whites from occupied territories and slav land to kazakhstan and made them work in communal farms that didn't mix with the locals in an attempt to whiten the place. kazakhstan was roughly 60% white in 1959 stalin also heavily persecuted jews, especially in his later years, and resulted in a heavy decline in jewish % in the politburo sorry for the kikepedia links, it's just to give an idea of how he was based
>>15220 Stalin was pretty expansionist though, he just was more pragmatic than other socialists such as Trotsky.
>>15223 Considering how by the end of his rule, he controlled less land in Europe than the Russian Empire did (even though he could easily have taken that land back), you could say he was expansionist but not someone who just wants to take everything. He took back all of the russian land they lost in ww1, except for Poland You could also say he was racepilled by how he fixed many ethnic conflicts via forced migration in europe (kicking all the germans out of poland, kicking all the germans out of the sudetes, kicking all the poles out of germany, bielorussia and ukraine, kicking out all the poles and germans out of kaliningrad, destroying all historical buildings and repopulating it with east slavs)
>>15230 Exactly, he was expansionist, but pragmatic too,, i doubt anyone would argue that Stalin was dumb and idealistic. Racepilled? i don't know, in a way maybe, it seemed more of a way to ensure stability and soviet supremacy, he (and most leftists of the time) weren't like the woke crowd of today that's for sure.
>>15231 >they weren't like the woke crowd of today that's for sure. that's why i prefer these hard-line communists to liberal capitalists and social-democrats We reproduce here a letter that Harry Whyte (a British Communist Party member) wrote to Stalin in May 1934, in which Whyte posed the question: “can a homosexual be considered someone worthy of membership in the Communist Party?”. At the time, Whyte (himself homosexual) was working in Moscow at the Moscow Daily News. When he heard about the new law (which made homosexuality illegal), he wrote a letter to Stalin asking him how he could justify it. Whyte pointed out how the new law was cancelling all the progress that had been made on such matters since the October Revolution. Found in the Soviet archives, on the first page of the letter is a note written by Stalin: “Archive. An idiot and a degenerate. J. Stalin.”
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>>15232 I don't know dude i'd rather live with fags than with starvation though, i think it's easy to from our pov to look at our problems as the worst thing ever as our problems are the ones we have experience with, ignoring how worse things could be. I for one would rather live in the shithole/plutocrat playground modern Paris is than Soviet Russia's Moscow. Maybe the future will change my mind.
>>15236 It was not as bad as the western propaganda makes it seem. You have no luxuries, but basically every basic good is there. Most of these famines were politically motivated rather than caused by mismanagement, and also by the fact that the green revolution only started in the 1950's, and that communist countries were slower on adopting the technological changes. Before then, famines happened in a lot of places if you got unlucky with a severe drought or such, including the US
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>>15236 The only people I've found who think that Soviet Russia was any kind of an ideal place are people who weren't alive during the Cold War. Well, that or people who swallowed the dogma of modern academia. Dealing with social phenomena we find objectionable is infinitely preferable to living in a totalitarian state headed by a maniac. Slightly back on topic: I have to wonder if modern Russia bothered to keep up their bioweapons research programs at all after the collapse of the USSR. They had ostensibly weaponized the marburg virus.
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>>15238 https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2010/04/07/hungary-dissatisfied-with-democracy-but-not-its-ideals/ turns out having an unified country which fights for a common cause, even if it's a cucked cause, is not as bad as you think. people are not that happy living in a so called society where there is no attachment to your neighbours, where capital decides everything and where culture has no place. i am not a communist and i dislike communism, but the least cucked country in the world today is North Korea, as sad as that is, followed by islamic countries which didn't cuck out yet (like Iran) and then third place is China the modern west is terrible and anyone who tries to emulate them is terrible
>>15239 You're not wrong dude assuming you're >>15237 but i'd still rather live in the cucked wealthy countries than the proud totalitarian shitholes, things will get worse in the future, no doubt about that, maybe bad enough that i'll change my mind,, but for now i'd rather stay in the cucked west than live in pyonyang or however it's spelled.
>i'd rather live in a cucked wealthy country (where i don't and won't have any wealth anyway) than the proud totalitarian shitholes (where communities are more connected and individual wealth matters less)
>>15239 North Korea has been adopting a market economy China-style since the early 2000s, and most Isamic countries have an inherently Capitalist economic system just with a strong welfare state in most cases.
>>15242 i know they are cucked. my whole point is that, despite how cucked they are, they are still much better than the west. how low the mighty have fallen is what i meant
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>>15239 >the least cucked country in the world today is North Korea Yes. Truly. You might be a chattel of the state, but you are free from the claws of global homogenization.
>>15244 This but unironically. Freedom should mean that you're not forced to serve any one man, but not that you shouldn't be forced to serve your people and community
>>15241 >(where i don't and won't have any wealth anyway) And still live a better life. >where communities are more connected and individual wealth matters less doubt.jpg
>>15246 if what you think matters the most is money, then the modern multicultural west is the best place for you, but that's about the limit of where it's better than totalitarian shitholes. the fact that you doubt that such societies have much more connected communities shows that you probably never saw a connected community, which is sadly very rare in the west
>>15245 >freedom >not that you shouldn't be forced Your definition for freedom isn't very, uh, free. Ought a man not think and act for himself, and those he chooses?
if he choses to not serve his community then he shouldn't be choosing. there are limits to freedom, if he can just do whatever then he's a bastard that just undermines his society and slowly corrodes it the american ideal of freedom is retarded, but it's as expected of an ideal created by multiple people with multiple faiths that don't share a culture sad that the anglos in america got displaced
>all the cuckchanners on this thread whose brains are so deteriorated from covid restrictions that they have developed Stockholm syndrome and are now all begging to live in dystopian authoritarian shitholes where the state can arbitrarily decide that they no longer deserve to live Your humanity is calling. It's lost and afraid and needs a good home.
>if you can't have anal sex and destroy your society by free choice you don't have any humanity
>he wants be lined up against the wall and shot because he didn't take the vaccine and is a detriment to society
>>15206 >people in medieval times lived to 50-60 Typical lifespan in the US for men is 10-15 years before full payout through Social Security. That just so happens to be 50-60. The full payout is placed at such an age to seem as though it's attainable by the common man, but late enough that the average amount of money to be paid to the recipient is actually lower than if they were to withdraw sooner. >u got a little ways to go >10 more years >5 more years >4 more years >oops you died, sorry no refunds! Vid related. NSFW https://efukt.com/22487_safe_word_fail.html
>>15253 average lifespan in the US is 78 though... Even if women are above men, it's not by that much
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>>15249 Community at the point of a bayonet is no community worth having. One should support one's fellows because of your kinship with them in whatever way applies. If one does not live in a community they care to support, they should find one they prefer, or become some sort of mountain hermit.
the community is built on a culture, ethnicity, religion and common goal, but maintained and protected by the point of a bayonet. it's better than not having a community
>>15247 >if what you think matters the most is money Not at all, don't know what gave you that idea. > the fact that you doubt that such societies have much more connected communities shows that you probably never saw a connected community, which is sadly very rare in the west Those kind of shitholes have little community neither, partly because of money and partly for other reasons i think you're the one that doesn't know what he's talking about, idolizing other societies simply because they don't have the problems with have. >>15252 If corona was much more deadlier than such measure might make sense >>15250 He has a point, at the end of the day collectivism is much more part of human nature than western individualism, there has to be some pressure from society onto its members to conform and do their part for the whole, i don't think NK or the USSR are good examples of that though. >>15255 Exactly >>15256 >maintained and protected by the point of a bayonet But such communities often tend to be only about the bayonet, don't make the mistake of admiring the bayonet
>ITT
>>15254 Women live 5-10 years longer than men. That's 7-13% longer than men by the "official" old age of 78. The average gets knocked down, because nearly all old the widowers die shortly after their women. >1000 years of progress >only gain 18 shitty years on average >expected to spend a greater percentage of your life doing someone else's work in exchange Wow, I feel so privileged.
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>>15243 I don't think you understand. North Korea adopted a market economy as a direct response to the 1994-1998 famine, got rid of it after they got their shit together, and proceeded to have another (more minor) famine in 2013 because of getting rid of those capitalist measures, at which point they've adopted a fairly modernized economic system in order to avoid famine. Islamic countries are inherently capitalist because the Islamic religion is inherently capitalist and encourages a free market economy. In many ways Islam is considered the founding religion of capitalist economies because of the strong property rights and other fundamental capitalist principles (contract law, bills of exchange, LLCs mudharaba, savings accounts, promissory notes, etc. that were put in place during the Umayyad and Abbasid eras (8th-12th centuries). They were so successful on the homefront that they were largely adopted by Western countries around the 13th century directly from the remnants of Islamic trade that had begun to die down.
>>15257 i'd rather admire the bayonet one of my people wields with a rugged hand than what some rich foreigners impose
>>15266 basically because the way the soviet system worked is that some countries were encouraged to become agro exporters and some were encourage to become factory countries. so when the soviet union fell, korea got fucked for it, since they weren't an agro exporter, and nobody wanted to send them food. If the soviet union had won and the US collapsed, and then the soviets blocked food exports to the UK, and france didn't want to send them help either because they'd rather see them destabilize and more dependent on them, the UK would starve too since it's not at all self-sufficient food wise ever since they repelled the corn laws And even if islamic countries are capitalistic, at least most of them still value their culture and religion and have resisted westernization to some extent. Of course, saudi arabia, jordan and gulf countries are irredemably cucked, but there are many that still haven't fallen prey to western culture, although they surely will in a few decades
>>15268 Chances are that bayonet is gonna end up in your belly though, than in some perceived foreign enemy.
>>15271 why? why would they go around killing random people? because they're cartoon villains? because they want to lose any popular support they have? they'd probably stick bayonets in minority's bellies and bellies that exhibit anti-social (aka people who don't participate in their community) and anti-revolutionary behaviour, as was standard with communists and fascists.
>>15268 The bayonet is never in the hands of the community, only those who enforce their "unity." If the people had the same means, the state wouldn't hold the monopoly on violence required to ensure the people's compliance. You are never in a position to effectively challenge their authority. The sharp end of the stick is always pointed your way. Every totalitarian state works the same way.
>>15274 and are you in any position to challenge the authority of your liberal government? didn't think so. only difference is that you have no community
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>>15273 >what is paranoia >who were the ustase >what is psychopathy This anon is a child who has never been around authority. Imagine if cops had free reign to justify anything they wanted to do. >>15275 The only difference between your two regimes is one makes you a slave to usury and the other makes you a slave to a gun. Your argument inherits a Cold War libertarian / authoritarian binary as if those two were the only acceptable societies instead of a historical aberration.
Nazbols are really something else. Imagine living in a fever dream and pining for a system that never worked in the way you wish it did, but you're willing to forget all of the atrocities done in the name of that system against the real people of the nations it devoured purely because you hate your own freedom that much. Why do all socialists always imagine that if their broken ideology was put in place, they'd be guaranteed a position of power and privilege and not simply be one of the normal citizens who is subject to the whims of the state? Why does literally every single commie LARPer think that he would be a commissar in the new utopia? Why do they think they are immune to the power of unjust and violent governance? They don't even realise that their ideology is in an extreme minority and doesn't click with the human condition as common men understand it. They're completely out of touch with reality.
fuck of l*berals your ideology has ruined the world and the west to a point of no return, yet you still refuse to admit that it's shit
>>15275 That's moving the goalposts. While it's unlikely that one man could challenge any government, at least it's not a foregone conclusion that we may as well get used to uniformly bonding over being treated like shit by those who deem themselves our betters. Not being able to individually move against overwhelming force isn't the same as laying down for it. >no community You presume a lot. Community can be forged without everyone being forced into homogeneity. While there are desolate cultural wastelands, and a lot of them, communities of all sizes abound. Hell, you could even look at this /k/ as a community of reasonably like-minded individuals collaborating in discussions on shared interests, and you're part of it, even though we disagree on some points. Just because McDonald's is the most popular place to eat, doesn't mean all people eat it, or even like it. It seems to me you'd rather everyone be forced to get along at gunpoint, because otherwise nobody would like you.
>>15279 >he doesn't want to accelerate What a pleb.
>>15279 >anyone who disagrees with me is a liberal >the only two options are liberalism or BASED Stalinism where you slaughter tens of millions of your own people with dysfunctional and tyrannical policies <n-n-no I really am a badass epic level third prestige comrade of the state, they'll give me a cool badge and everything Okay retard.
>>15282 Oh, I forgot this board doesn't have pinktext, haha.
>>15280 yeah. you're on /k/, a community, probably because you feel like there's a big lack of community in real life. what sort of community is there in let's say the US? a few communities form among races (mainly latinos and asians, but in old times there were irish, italians, germans and anglos), but those are broken up as they get assimilated into the american culture of individualism europe is now in the same process of breaking up of communities. do you even know your neighbours? probably not, most people don't. you're just an individual living with other individuals in a city formed of 1 million individuals. there is no society. and no, you can't rebel against liberal governments. that's the whole point. it gives you an illusion of being able to rebel, but the moment you break the law (protest and challenge the government without following the government allowed guidelines like a good goy) you get heavily supressed
>>15284 You just described what happens if someone disagrees with the state in your desired system. The real difference is you want a system that kills people for wrongthink instead of just ostracising them. Somehow that's supposedly better, and somehow you believe it is literally impossible that the government could ever do something the people disagree with if it was communist. That's an unsubstantiated and retarded assertion to make.
>>15284 Nigga you are projecting something fierce, and sound alienated. Like, I feel for you, but your assessment is conjectural, and your insistence that the problem of "community" be solved by an artificially enforced equality of situation is weird at best, and bizarre at worst. Nobody wants to be united by the ubiquity of how shitty their collective situation is.
>>15285 it doesn't matter if you disagree with the state, what matters is that you fit into a community. do you think the soviets cared about what the average russian peasant thought, as long as he was working and sharing his food with his fellow peasants? as long as you are contributing to your community and not actively going against the state rule you are not an anti-social factor, and thus not an enemy of the totalitarian state >>15286 i do
>>15287 Theres about 7 million peasants that were working their fields and not making waves when the soviets executed them that would like to have a word.
>>15287 >i do Okay, now I know you're fucking with us. Either that or you desperately need a hug.
>>15287 >just keep your nose down and don't question anything we do, goy >driving the economy into a shambles, burning down rural farming communities, and having no food as a result of destroying said communities, while forcing everyone to move into megacities to live in 300 square foot bugmen apartments which could be raided by secret police at any time without needing any legally justified reason is for your own good >those secret police would neeeeever ever in a million years kill someone who doesn't deserve it, it's impossible to abuse power! I wish these were even strawmen and not basically the same as what you're saying.
>>15288 false. where do you gather these numbers? it's literally impossible to calculate because it's all buried, so it's literally just propaganda. >>15290 and it's still better than what we have
Here comes the part where he tells us he was just pretending to be retarded.
>we banned /fascist/ just to have /trannypol/ invade >>15250 Gen Z will be the most degenerate one yet, they've been locked down for over a year and have completely forgotten how to socialize while getting addicted to their own self-satisfaction. The product of a post-modern society who is helpless to break out of its own hyper-individualized state. It's why this tard is desperate for a "community," since he wants someone to empathize with them on an individual level as the lack of physical interaction means his brain hasn't had any hormonal stimulation for a year. He wants to pick arguments just to feel alive, but in the end he's just sitting in his empty room while the few people that know of his existence drift ever further away. He doesn't even know how to use replies.
>communism boogeyman yeah, have fun when you get your brown grandchildren and a 60% foreigner country. at least you have the freedom to complain on the internet (but not in real life or you lose your job)
>>15294 >communism good Where is the ChiCom janitor when you need him?
>>15295 it's not good. it's just superior to what we have. if communism is bad then social-democracies are terrible
Listen mate, take the offtopic to the kanteen
>>15273 History is full, chock full of examples of the state using its force against its citizens, i can understand it sometimes, but many time it's not at all justified from a perspective of the well being of the nation >>15277 >as if those two were the only acceptable societies instead of a historical aberration Important reminder too.
Wait, did that guy seriously claim that libertarian thought has its origins in Marxism, rather than being an ideological evolution dating back two hundred years before Marx in the philosophical Enlightenment? Has this nigger never lifted a history book?
>Where's the foxconn wageslave >>15295 Here cleaning up the mess you faggots made. Take it to the 100rads please since this shit is wildly offtopic. Yes. We're all laughing at the communist in the room here, but that is sadly not a bannable offense (yet). Banning is an equal opportunity employer.
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>Corona-chan spike protein the vaccine illuminati led by Bill Gates has been producing rent-free inside the cells of loyal vaccinated citizens found to damage and destroy mitochondria even in absence of other SARS-CoV-2 proteins/enzymes Maybe this is why there is no vaccine for SARS-CoV-1 yet.
>>15545 fug, forgot the pdf.
>>15545 >>15546 > Collectively, our results suggest that the S protein-exerted EC damage overrides the decreased virus infectivity. This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury.
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Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally https://archive.md/8ivC0 >"There’s a lot of cloudiness around the origins of COVID-19 still, so I wanted to ask, are you still confident that it developed naturally?" PolitiFact’s Katie Sanders asked the nation’s top infectious disease expert in an event, United Facts of America: A Festival of Fact-Checking event. "No actually," Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) said, around 12 minutes into footage of the event, which was held earlier this month but overlooked by most media outlets. "I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened. Certainly, the people who investigated it say it likely was the emergence from an animal reservoir that then infected individuals, but it could have been something else, and we need to find that out. So, you know, that’s the reason why I said I’m perfectly in favor of any investigation that looks into the origin of the virus," he continued. >"Will you in front of this group categorically say that the COVID-19 virus could not have occurred by serial passage in a laboratory?" Sen. Rand Paul had asked Fauci during a Senate hearing last Tuesday. Fauci did not explicitly rule out such a possibility: "I do not have any accounting of what the Chinese may have done, and I'm fully in favor of any further investigation of what went on in China," he said. "However, I will repeat again, the NIH and NIAID categorically has not funded gain of function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology." Paul had claimed that funding through the National Institutes of Health (NIH) had been funneled to controversial Wuhan Institute of Virology -- the Chinese lab that is believed to have played a role in the initial outbreak of COVID-19. Paul specifically zeroed in on gain of function research -- which works on making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible. He alleged that a U.S. virologist had been working with the Chinese institute on such research and said it was funded by the NIH. >Fauci said at the fact-checking event that Paul had been "conflating… in a way that’s almost irresponsible" collaborative research into Sars-Cov-1, which emerged in China in the early 2000s, with Chinese scientists. Trump administration officials and Republicans on the Hill have long argued there is a high chance COVID-19 was the result of a lab leak. The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the lab leak theory "extremely unlikely" last week, but even Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO chief, has said the research team’s assessment on whether the virus entered the human population following a laboratory incident was not "extensive enough" and requires further investigation. The White House has not yet said whether it’s seen evidence to disprove the lab leak theory, but has joined calls for an independent investigation. >White House press secretary Jen Psaki said this week the Biden administration has conveyed both publicly and privately that the Chinese government was "not transparent from the beginning." Fauci’s more recent remarks show an evolution in the doctor’s beliefs on coronavirus’ origins over the past year. In May 2020, Fauci largely dismissed the lab leak theory. "If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what’s out there now, [the scientific evidence] is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated," he told National Geographic at the time. "Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that [this virus] evolved in nature and then jumped species," he said. He told the magazine at the time that based on the scientific evidence, he does not entertain the lab leak theory.
>>15880 Bomb China?
The west blaming the bullshit virus on China is bullshit, it originated in bloody cattle farming and China was first to officially publicize the discovery of it while other officials kept it secret. Ironic
>>15884 *insect farming
>>15884 t. Chang
>>15880 Why the fuck would anyone here care what that kike goblin has to say. He's far worse than the traditional politician in the respect of 'if his mouth is moving, he's lying'. He's nearly as bad as Bill Gates is in the evil collusion behind this entire hoax. >"All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes." Blood is at their feets. The ZOGbots have their share in this too, as do the diversity-tier glowniggers & other tools shilling this lie everywhere, such as these posts ITT.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8084286/ An interesting study that measures efficiency between N95 respirators, medical masks and general fabric masks which I usually have seen worn the most. Not news around here but I didn't see this specific study linked in this thread and I felt like this reaffirms what most of us know. Cherry picking this green text because I found it the most interesting piece of this article. >Nano-enabled self-cleaning, antimicrobial, antiviral, and reusable masks. (a) N95 mask impregnated with copper oxide nanoparticles. This mask consists of four layers (a1). The two external spunbond polypropylene layers contain 2.2% copper oxide nanoparticles, and one internal meltblown polypropylene (PP) layer contains 2% copper oxide nanoparticles. Scanning electron microscopy (SEM) micrographs show the ultrastructures of nanoparticle-containing exterior and interior layers (a2), along with X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy (XPS) analysis (a3). Adapted with permission from ref. [135]. Copyright 2010 PLoS ONE. (b) Laser-induced graphene surgical mask. (b1) Illustration of laser-induced forward transfer (LIFT) for roll-to-roll production of graphene-coated masks. (b2) SEM images of the graphene-coated nonwoven fiber. (b3) Illustration of the self-cleaning capacity of the mask, with the demonstrated high water contact angle on the mask. (b4) Photothermal sterilization of the mask. Surface temperature, measured with an infrared camera, increased to an average of 91.61 °C after exposure to sunlight for 5 min. Adapted with permission from ref. [141]. Copyright 2020 American Chemical Society. (c) Photoactive antiviral mask (PAM). (c1) Illustration of the self-cleaning and the antiviral mechanisms of the mask through photothermal and photocatalytic effects in response to solar irradiation. (c2) SEM images of hybrid shellac‑copper nanoparticles coated on nonwoven polypropylene fibers of a surgical mask. (c3) Confocal microscopy images that showed inactivation (represented by red color) of E. coli after 5 min exposure to solar irradiation. (c4) Disruption of virus-like particles by the PAM. Adapted with permission from ref. [143]. Copyright 2020 American Chemical Society.
>>16486 >Adapted with permission from ref. [143]. Copyright 2020 American Chemical Society. <cherry-picking Kek. Welp, fortunately the flu, cold, and other viruses has been around as long as man has. Evil globalists plots to steal elections and rape the middle class, destroying the entire Western Tradition (in combination with several other, simultaneous plots intended to do the same), dwarf any flu variations in the importance to us all. Some day (maybe even soon who knows) we'll have real pandemics globally, and then perhaps very expensive masks, inaccessible to most, will be of real value. Till such a time, meh.
>>16496 >real pandemics Better start praying to ebola-chan then, but technically Tuberculosis, Malaria, HIV (and most stds tbh) never left the pandemic stage. They just don't call it one so the normies don't ree.
>>16499 >Better start praying to ebola-chan then Your basic error is believing I would be approving of things that would destroy mankind. Let the Jews and their father Satan do that. I'll abstain, thanks. >technically Tuberculosis, Malaria, HIV (and most stds tbh) never left the pandemic stage Again, meh. Not a lot of piles of dead bodies lying in the streets around the world from any of these. It will be a reality though before all is said and done.
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>>10356 Thank you Marburg-nee-sama! Good luck Marburg-nee-sama! I love you Marburg-nee-sama!

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