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WAR IN THE CAUCUS REGION 2 Strelok 10/24/2020 (Sat) 05:25:10 No.7830
Previous Thread >>6332 https://archive.is/SCXtf >Armenia Shot Down Drone Suffering Heavy Losses In Azerbijaniani Strikes https://archive.vn/cpLdk >Armenians Claim They Shot Down Another Bayraktar TB2 Over Nagorno-Karabakh https://archive.is/Rd2r0 >Azerbaijani Forces Rush To Capture Lachin Cororidor From Retreating Armenians
>>8794 I'm not so sure about that, now that Azerbaijan is connected to Turkey. Although the route is most likely going to be under Russian control, but it still makes a lot easier for Turkey to support them. Now add in that they have a bigger population and more money, and that Armenia is virtually cut off from the rest of the world. I wouldn't be surprised if Armenia disappeared from the map by the end of this century. Although it's also possible that the Azeris piss off Iran, but that would be most likely part of a game between Iran and Turkey. And Russia just wants peace in the region, so they'd try to stop that.
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>>8795 >I wouldn't be surprised if Armenia disappeared from the map by the end of this century. Many more countries will disappear, Armenia will not die alone as "big" countries absorb smaller ones.
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>We finally get an interesting conflict after 20 years of nu-wars, last interesting war being in the Balkans >The first few weeks are RADical >But it all ends in the lamest way possible within 1 month I wanted totalen krieg between Armenia and Azerbaijan that would last for at least 2 years with hundreds of thousands dead. All I got was 3-4 interesting propaganda videos instead and a lame Azeri victory.
>>8795 >Armenia is virtually cut off from the rest of the world. I wouldn't be surprised if Armenia disappeared from the map by the end of this century. That was the case beforehand. Armenia was already going the route of Taiwan, Russia just extended their shelf life. Russia is playing both sides. This arrangement benefits everyone except the Armenians in NK that the PM had largely abandoned anyways. It keeps tension between both sides to prevent a Turkish takeover so Russia can launch an invasion both by land and sea, NK's artillery which can wreck Azerbaijan is still in-place, and if the Armenians refuse to play along, they are still on friendly terms with the Azeris. The Armenian people are rightfully pissed because this threatens their national sovereignty, but ultimately it was this or total war between the two nations with chances leaning on another Armenian genocide. Russia has a get-out-of-jail free card if Armenia starts the conflict and an excuse to wipe out Azerbaijan if they cause problems like trying to join NATO, but equally has maintained tensions so they don't have to settle any disputes. It sucks because it's more slow rot, but ultimately it was the expected result in hindsight 2020.
>>8794 >>8795 >>8801 Need to mention, Turkey will also be in the peacekeeping force alongside Russia.
>>8807 That confirms what I suspected: there was some kind of a secret deal between Russia and Turkey.
Armenia really shot itself in the foot didn't it? >>8798 Not with today's geopolitical reality >>8799 >pic related
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>>8799 >The roach on the left tip-toeing, hoping to appear taller than he really is >Unfortunately for him the photograph is not at head-level
Very interesting interview on the topic by Syrian girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jjy57i-xJE
Bump, there seems to be a coup in progress.
>>13604 Well, mind sharing what you know so far Strelok?
>>13604 >>13605 It can hardly be called a coup attempt. Armenia's military generals all signed a petition asking Pashinyan to step down as the country's leader after losing the war with Azerbaijan and amid civil unrest on the homefront, and he's refusing/shouting to the international community that they're "staging a coup" in the hopes of Daddy Вовочка bailing his ass out.
>>13605 >Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan has warned of an attempted military coup, after the country's armed forces said he and his cabinet must resign. >The army "must obey the people and elected authorities," he told thousands of supporters in the capital Yerevan. His opponents held a rival rally. >The military's top brass was angered by the PM's sacking of a commander. >Mr Pashinyan has faced protests after losing last year's bloody conflict with Azerbaijan over a disputed region. >Nagorno-Karabakh is an enclave internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but which had been controlled by ethnic Armenians since a 1994 truce. >During the six-weeks of fighting late in 2020, Azerbaijan not only recaptured areas around the enclave but also took the key town of Shusha inside it. >Under the Russian-brokered deal that emerged shortly afterwards, Azerbaijan keeps the areas it has captured. Hundreds of Russian peacekeepers are deployed in the disputed area. >In a Facebook video post on Thursday, Mr Pashinyan, 45, said he considered a statement by the military earlier on Thursday an "attempted military coup". >He urged his backers to gather on Republic Square in the heart of Yerevan, and was seen shortly afterwards surrounded by thousands of supporters on the streets of the city. >The army is not a political institution and attempts to involve it in political processes are unacceptable," he told his supporters. >But he invited the opposition to hold talks on how to resolve the crisis, stressing that any change in power must take place "only through elections". >Meanwhile, opposition supporters staged a rival demonstration in the capital, insisting that Mr Pashinyan must go. >Vazgen Manukyan, one of the opposition leaders, urged the crowds to start blocking the parliament, saying lawmakers should be brought in to vote for Mr Pashinyan's dismissal. >"Get ready, we will stay here all night and will block the street with barricades," he was quoted as saying by the Armenpress news agency. >Mr Pashinyan, a former journalist, took office after leading a peaceful 2018 revolution in the post-Soviet state. >He has recently survived several attempts in parliament to dismiss him. https://web.archive.org/web/20210225165207/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56194421
>>13607 Is it true that Armenia barely fought? i've heard that the bulk of the fighting was done by locals and that many volunteers were turned back at the "frontier"
>>13608 Yes and no. Armenians participated, but on a volunteer basis IIRC.
>>13608 Technically it all happened inside Azerbaijan, and Russia said they will join the fun is Armenia does anything about the situation.
>>13609 But not the proper Armenian army then? which is why Pashiyan has been branded a traitor, which, while true, one has to admit that he and the Armenians state is caught between a rock and a hard place. >>13610 So Russian would join whichever side invaded the other's internationally recognized territory? i thought it was only if Azerbaijan moved into Armenia proper.
>>13619 No, the current situation of Armenians living inside the borders of Azerbaijan was created by Stalin to make sure there are always going to be ethnic tensions in that region. And Russia is also perfectly happy with this situation, hence Putin would have supported Azerbaijan to keep those lands.
In photos: Military Trophy Park in Baku https://archive.md/o6eUU I'd upload more pictures, but this site isn't really suited for that.
>>14914 Also, it looks like archive failed to download the whole site, so you might have to visit it if you want to see everything.
>>14914 Can't blame them for doing such a thing, but still, i was rooting for the Armenians
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>>14914 >Violate international law by killing POWs >Violate international alw a second time by keeping POWs hostage after a treaty has been signed with a third party as witness >Seize military equipment from the Armenians >Make a state park out of the stolen equipment >Were only able to keep territory because of Turkish backing One can only hope Turkey becomes a failed state in the ensuing economic collapse or pisses off Russia enough to make Istanbul Constantinople again so the Armenians can go about curb stomping these chucklefucks. 10/10 in terms of an IRL shitpost though.
>>14941 >spoiler Indeed, i can respect that at least.
>>14941 Turkey is about to become a failed state because Putin is going to fail it for them for demanding that Russia give Crimea back.
>>8277 >Literally how is Europe in a position to threaten Turkey? Historically Turkey had been an enemy of Europe for hundreds of years, that is why the Ottoman Empire was fucked so hard during the Colonial Period in the 18th century. That only changed when Germany saved their asses by training their military and preventing other colonial powers from turning them into their bitch completely. The only reason the Turks survived after the World Wars when Germany lost its hard power, was that the European Countries had other problems and the USA lacks the European Turkhate and needed them for NATO against Russia. Today Europe(Germany) doesn't see Russia as a threat anymore, more like an African Country to invest into similar to how the Chinese investment in Africa and questions the need for NATO, even with the Ukraine shit going on. In this climate Turkey under Edrogan made the mistake of pissing off Germany, the only country in Europe who doesn't think Turkey could be free real estate. Germany can fuck Turkey hard, by canceling their financial relationship and looking away/sectretly supporting when other EU countries with stronger turkhate fuck with them. Another thing is that ten thousands of Turks rely on Germany for medical insurance they get from relatives living in Germany.
>>14947 The Americans aren't even keen on protecting Turkey any more because Turkey keeps trying to play both sides in regards to NATO, and the cold war mentality is finally dying among your average citizen under 40. Canada cut off their drone support (actually all weapons exports and joint funding) after the Armenian-Azeri conflict which is royally fucking them up the ass too. Turkey is sort of in a situation where they have to keep screeching to stay relevant, and they drank the nationalist koolaid thinking they actually ARE LARPing as Ottomans after the failed coup a few years ago. Everyone is getting so fed up with Turks though (even if not especially France & Germany) that their constant screeching is making everyone rapidly tell them to fuck off. America is firmly in bed with other nations in that region now because Turkey doesn't do what they want them to do but still demands gibs, so they'd only get American forces temporarily at best if they keep poking Eastern Europe who hate Turks. Turkey needs a cold war to not be a failed state by the end of the decade.
>>14955 >and the cold war mentality is finally dying among your average citizen under 40 >Turkey needs a cold war to not be a failed state by the end of the decade. I think Turkey is going to get its wish. Looks like the USA desperately wants another cold war and is pushing for one right now against Russia and China.
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>>14956 I think the US desperately wants one, and I think the powers that be are going to desperately try to start one, but I don't think they'll get one. The cold war was able to happen because of strong social cohesion among everyday Americans who had participated in WWII allowing the government at the time to do as they pleased and pass draconian and corrupt policies (even for the times) that normally wouldn't be forgiven. They still almost had civil war among veteran groups despite the somewhat prosperous times (America was still on the gold standard until the 70s). I don't know if the feds believe that they can recreate the economic prosperity and control of the cold war or if they are just falling for the "war equals good for the economy" meme, nevermind the fact that if you look at the economic losses of each soldier killed, war is shit for the economy long-term, but the country is divided, veterans are fed up, nd people who do join the military are closer to glorified mercenaries than to soldiers, working for benefits or to fast track an apprenticeship when they get out (the military hasn't helped by kicking everyone out after 15+ years of service to avoid them hitting the 20 year retirement-for-life clause). tl;dr- Trying to reenact the Cold War in America is likely to result in either economic collapse or civil unrest at levels that make the current riots look like child's play.
>>14955 The rest of the Muslim world seems to hate the Turks too. They're even starting to piss China off because of the Uighur shit. It's amazing how the Turks have been able to make almost everyone on the planet hate them
>>15019 So this is the power of the ottoman empire.
turks are based
>>15022 Shut the fuck up discount monagolian turkroach
>>15024 turks are based
>>15057 Turks lost their empire to a bunch of eunuchs.
>>15024 it seems like my superiority has lead to some controversy
>>15022 >>15057 Based on what?
So while Israel is having a scrap with Palestine Azerbaijian has apparently made another incursion into Armenian territory. I'm not sure what the FUCK is going on since Turkey is cornered into opposing Israel for its actions this time around.
>>15707 Are we about to reach full Armageddon here or what?
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Bump, it's flared up again: Armenian troops killed in Azerbaijan border clash >A number of Armenian soldiers have been killed and captured in a flare-up of violence on the border with Azerbaijan. >Armenia said some of its troops had been killed and two combat positions had been lost, while Azerbaijan said two of its soldiers were injured. >Last year thousands died in a war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. >Tensions have remained since the conflict ended in a shaky peace deal brokered by Russia. >On Tuesday Armenia asked Russia, a key security ally with long-standing ties to the former Soviet republic, to help defend its territorial sovereignty against Azerbaijan. >Armenia blamed Azerbaijani troops for the latest outbreak of fighting and said 12 soldiers had been captured. It did not immediately confirm details of casualties but the head of parliament's foreign relations committee, Eduard Aghajanyan, said as many as 15 soldiers may have died. >Azerbaijan said its forces had responded to an Armenian attack on its positions. >Its defence ministry said Armenia "launched a sudden military operation" to "take more advantageous positions" in regions on its eastern border with Azerbaijan. >But according to Armenia's foreign ministry, Azerbaijani forces attacked the eastern border as part of a policy that began in May aimed at infiltrating two Armenian areas - Syunik in the south-east and Gegharkunik in the east. >Armenia's defence ministry said the situation on the eastern border remained "extremely tense". >The Armenian government in Yerevan has appealed to Russia and the rest of the international community to help secure a withdrawal of Azerbaijani forces. >Responding to Tuesday's border clashes, the president of the European Council, Charles Michel, urged the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan to negotiate a "full ceasefire". >Mr Michel said he called for an "urgent de-escalation" in discussions with President Ilham Aliyev of Azerbaijan and Armenia's Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan. >The November 2020 peace deal came after a war in which more than 6,000 people were killed. Some 2,000 Russian peacekeepers were deployed to patrol the area in and around Nagorno-Karabakh. https://archive.md/8kTzz https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59308602
>>20520 So what happens if the muds feel strong enough, with Sultan Erdogan's backing, to shoot up the Russians in the area? Will Russia just go full Neo-Byzantium, or will it cuck to the Turks for conflict-free Bosporus-crossings?
>>15707 Funny how everytime Israel goes more brazenly (than usual) to Palestine the Azerbaidogs start crossing Armenia, it's three times this year now.
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>>20526 >Sultan Erdogan's backing
>>20531 It's dropping rapidly because Russia considers the drone strikes in Ukraine to be Turkey's fault, not Ukraine's fault.
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Armenia says it is ready to establish diplomatic ties with Turkey; The Roaches can't keep getting away with it! https://archive.is/1l864 >Armenian Foreign Minister Ararat Mirzoyan has said his country is ready to establish diplomatic relations and open its border with Turkey, the Turkish state-owned Anadolu news agency reported on Tuesday. >Saturday's talks were the first sit-down meeting between the two countries' foreign ministers since 2009. >The neighbours are at odds over several issues, primarily the 1.5 million people Armenia says were killed in 1915 in a genocide by the Ottoman Empire, the predecessor to modern Turkey. >Turkey accepts that many Armenians living in the empire were killed in clashes with Ottoman forces during World War One, but contests the figures and denies the killings were systematic or constitute genocide. Armenia has responded to a new proposal from Azerbaijan by requesting international mediation for peace talks, official Yerevan said on March 14. https://archive.ph/FMvPo >In a statement made last Friday a spokesman for Armenia’s Foreign Ministry said that official Yerevan considered requesting that the co-chairs of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Minsk Group (the United States, France, and Russia) initiate peace talks between Yerevan and Baku. >Later that day, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov said that Baku had passed to Yerevan a new “five-point proposal” for the normalization of relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia. He said that Baku was awaiting an answer from Yerevan. >“We have recently sent a new proposal to Armenia as a sign of goodwill. We have proposed some fundamental principles that include the normalization of relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia. We expressed our readiness to develop relations on the basis of certain principles. Armenia should consider this and give its answer. If Armenia sincerely wants to normalize relations, then this is a very good opportunity for them. ”Armenia’s response will be known in the near future, and of course we will take appropriate steps,” Bayramov said, as quoted by Azerbaijani media. >“All the principles mentioned in this document are the principles of international relations,” the Azerbaijani minister added, noting that the proposal includes the issue of border demarcation as well. >In a statement issued on March 14, Armenia’s Foreign Ministry said: The Republic of Armenia responded to the proposals of the Republic of Azerbaijan and applied to the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairmanship to organize negotiations for the signing of peace agreement between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan on the basis of the UN Charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Helsinki Final Act.” >In a statement Azerbaijan’s Foreign Ministry named the five fundamental principles on which it wants the future peace accord with Armenia to be based, including mutual recognition of each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual reaffirmation of the absence of territorial claims to each other and a legally binding obligation not to make such claims in the future, abstaining from threatening each other’s security, demarcation of the border and unblocking of transport links.
>>29190 >The FM's name is Ararat Humiliating
With Russia distracted, Azerbaijan escalates in Karabakh! https://archive.ph/YmM3j The Ukraine invasion offers the opportunity and cover for Azerbaijan to test Russia’s peacekeeping mission deployed in contested Nagorny Karabakh at the behest of Turkey. >Since Russia invaded Ukraine, Azerbaijan has increasingly tested the will and capacity of the Russian peacekeeping mission deployed to the residual territory remaining under Armenian control at the end of the 2020 Karabakh war. >In early March, Azerbaijani forces were observed circling close to Armenian villages with loudspeakers urging the inhabitants to evacuate, and reports of increased ceasefire violations soon followed. On 8 March, a crucial pipeline supplying gas to the Karabakh Armenian population was cut off on Azerbaijani-held territory, leaving residents without heat for two weeks. Although the pipeline was repaired, it was reportedly cut off again, then restored. >Azerbaijani forces then advanced into the area which is ostensibly under Russian peacekeeper control, forcing the evacuation of one Armenian village, taking strategic heights overseeing others, and reportedly using drone strikes to kill three local Armenian servicemen and wound a further 15. >Although the Russian Ministry of Defence stated Azerbaijani forces later withdrew, both Azerbaijani and Armenian sources denied this. France, Russia, and the US – the co-chairs of the OSCE’s Minsk Group mandated to mediate the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict – all took the rare step of calling out Azerbaijan as the violator of the ceasefire regime. >Azerbaijan has leveraged Article 4 of the 9 November 2020 ceasefire statement, stipulating the withdrawal of Armenian troops, to justify its actions. But although 3,000 troops from Armenia reportedly did leave after the ceasefire agreement, the statement’s wording leaves the status of local Karabakh Armenian forces – the self-styled Nagorno-Karabakh Defence Army – as ambiguous. >Baku sees them as an illegal armed group on its territory, but the local authorities and population see them as essential self-defence. Yet with local Karabakh Armenian units being no match for the Azerbaijani army, it is only Russian peacekeepers that stand between Azerbaijani forces and Karabakh Armenian civilians. >The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict has always been characterized by recursive, reciprocal rounds of ethnic cleansing leaving the two national communities totally segregated. A popular Azerbaijani narrative after the 2020 war claimed that Baku had ended this heinous tradition, but this is false. No Armenians remain in territories reclaimed by Azerbaijan in 2020. >Recent developments also underline the extent to which security in Nagorny Karabakh has become a negotiation between Russia and Azerbaijan – leaving Armenia, constrained by dependency on Russia and a possible normalization of relations with Azerbaijan’s principal ally Turkey, all but powerless. >The more stretched Russia becomes in Ukraine – and in the world – the more likely Azerbaijani operations in Nagorny Karabakh will intensify, framed as ‘mopping up’ Armenian militants in a narrative of counter-insurgency. This escalates the pressure on Karabakh Armenian civilians to leave, edging towards a final ‘resolution’ through gradual ethnic cleansing.
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'Lo and behold after Armenia started cozying up to Turkey, Azerbaijan decided they needed to attack again to keep them from fucking their boyfriend making Turkey lose interest in them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZJKTFt4hS8
>>30826 I mean, it's just an Azeri Special Military Operation
>>8738 >oil in Azerbaijan It cannot save or kill Petrodollar at this point, so does not really matter in itself. Except for Azerbaijan and nearby partners thereof. It may make a great difference for Turkey, if it either pisses off the Arabs so much that Saudi will not head State Department, or pisses off both Arabs and Mirkins. >>15019 ...which is feasible. But then Turkey itself will not matter much. Their greatest capital is the location, hence all the double-dealing. But if they fumble it enough to piss off everyone too much and lose backing, it loses value. And they won't be able to act up because they already have pissed off everyone, so this probably won't end well without an external force to deter escalation.

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