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WAR IN THE CAUCUS REGION 2 Strelok 10/24/2020 (Sat) 05:25:10 No.7830
Previous Thread >>6332 https://archive.is/SCXtf >Armenia Shot Down Drone Suffering Heavy Losses In Azerbijaniani Strikes https://archive.vn/cpLdk >Armenians Claim They Shot Down Another Bayraktar TB2 Over Nagorno-Karabakh https://archive.is/Rd2r0 >Azerbaijani Forces Rush To Capture Lachin Cororidor From Retreating Armenians
>>20520 So what happens if the muds feel strong enough, with Sultan Erdogan's backing, to shoot up the Russians in the area? Will Russia just go full Neo-Byzantium, or will it cuck to the Turks for conflict-free Bosporus-crossings?
>>15707 Funny how everytime Israel goes more brazenly (than usual) to Palestine the Azerbaidogs start crossing Armenia, it's three times this year now.
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>>20526 >Sultan Erdogan's backing
>>20531 It's dropping rapidly because Russia considers the drone strikes in Ukraine to be Turkey's fault, not Ukraine's fault.
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Armenia says it is ready to establish diplomatic ties with Turkey; The Roaches can't keep getting away with it! https://archive.is/1l864 >Armenian Foreign Minister Ararat Mirzoyan has said his country is ready to establish diplomatic relations and open its border with Turkey, the Turkish state-owned Anadolu news agency reported on Tuesday. >Saturday's talks were the first sit-down meeting between the two countries' foreign ministers since 2009. >The neighbours are at odds over several issues, primarily the 1.5 million people Armenia says were killed in 1915 in a genocide by the Ottoman Empire, the predecessor to modern Turkey. >Turkey accepts that many Armenians living in the empire were killed in clashes with Ottoman forces during World War One, but contests the figures and denies the killings were systematic or constitute genocide. Armenia has responded to a new proposal from Azerbaijan by requesting international mediation for peace talks, official Yerevan said on March 14. https://archive.ph/FMvPo >In a statement made last Friday a spokesman for Armenia’s Foreign Ministry said that official Yerevan considered requesting that the co-chairs of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Minsk Group (the United States, France, and Russia) initiate peace talks between Yerevan and Baku. >Later that day, Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov said that Baku had passed to Yerevan a new “five-point proposal” for the normalization of relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia. He said that Baku was awaiting an answer from Yerevan. >“We have recently sent a new proposal to Armenia as a sign of goodwill. We have proposed some fundamental principles that include the normalization of relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia. We expressed our readiness to develop relations on the basis of certain principles. Armenia should consider this and give its answer. If Armenia sincerely wants to normalize relations, then this is a very good opportunity for them. ”Armenia’s response will be known in the near future, and of course we will take appropriate steps,” Bayramov said, as quoted by Azerbaijani media. >“All the principles mentioned in this document are the principles of international relations,” the Azerbaijani minister added, noting that the proposal includes the issue of border demarcation as well. >In a statement issued on March 14, Armenia’s Foreign Ministry said: The Republic of Armenia responded to the proposals of the Republic of Azerbaijan and applied to the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairmanship to organize negotiations for the signing of peace agreement between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan on the basis of the UN Charter, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the Helsinki Final Act.” >In a statement Azerbaijan’s Foreign Ministry named the five fundamental principles on which it wants the future peace accord with Armenia to be based, including mutual recognition of each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual reaffirmation of the absence of territorial claims to each other and a legally binding obligation not to make such claims in the future, abstaining from threatening each other’s security, demarcation of the border and unblocking of transport links.
>>29190 >The FM's name is Ararat Humiliating
With Russia distracted, Azerbaijan escalates in Karabakh! https://archive.ph/YmM3j The Ukraine invasion offers the opportunity and cover for Azerbaijan to test Russia’s peacekeeping mission deployed in contested Nagorny Karabakh at the behest of Turkey. >Since Russia invaded Ukraine, Azerbaijan has increasingly tested the will and capacity of the Russian peacekeeping mission deployed to the residual territory remaining under Armenian control at the end of the 2020 Karabakh war. >In early March, Azerbaijani forces were observed circling close to Armenian villages with loudspeakers urging the inhabitants to evacuate, and reports of increased ceasefire violations soon followed. On 8 March, a crucial pipeline supplying gas to the Karabakh Armenian population was cut off on Azerbaijani-held territory, leaving residents without heat for two weeks. Although the pipeline was repaired, it was reportedly cut off again, then restored. >Azerbaijani forces then advanced into the area which is ostensibly under Russian peacekeeper control, forcing the evacuation of one Armenian village, taking strategic heights overseeing others, and reportedly using drone strikes to kill three local Armenian servicemen and wound a further 15. >Although the Russian Ministry of Defence stated Azerbaijani forces later withdrew, both Azerbaijani and Armenian sources denied this. France, Russia, and the US – the co-chairs of the OSCE’s Minsk Group mandated to mediate the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict – all took the rare step of calling out Azerbaijan as the violator of the ceasefire regime. >Azerbaijan has leveraged Article 4 of the 9 November 2020 ceasefire statement, stipulating the withdrawal of Armenian troops, to justify its actions. But although 3,000 troops from Armenia reportedly did leave after the ceasefire agreement, the statement’s wording leaves the status of local Karabakh Armenian forces – the self-styled Nagorno-Karabakh Defence Army – as ambiguous. >Baku sees them as an illegal armed group on its territory, but the local authorities and population see them as essential self-defence. Yet with local Karabakh Armenian units being no match for the Azerbaijani army, it is only Russian peacekeepers that stand between Azerbaijani forces and Karabakh Armenian civilians. >The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict has always been characterized by recursive, reciprocal rounds of ethnic cleansing leaving the two national communities totally segregated. A popular Azerbaijani narrative after the 2020 war claimed that Baku had ended this heinous tradition, but this is false. No Armenians remain in territories reclaimed by Azerbaijan in 2020. >Recent developments also underline the extent to which security in Nagorny Karabakh has become a negotiation between Russia and Azerbaijan – leaving Armenia, constrained by dependency on Russia and a possible normalization of relations with Azerbaijan’s principal ally Turkey, all but powerless. >The more stretched Russia becomes in Ukraine – and in the world – the more likely Azerbaijani operations in Nagorny Karabakh will intensify, framed as ‘mopping up’ Armenian militants in a narrative of counter-insurgency. This escalates the pressure on Karabakh Armenian civilians to leave, edging towards a final ‘resolution’ through gradual ethnic cleansing.
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'Lo and behold after Armenia started cozying up to Turkey, Azerbaijan decided they needed to attack again to keep them from fucking their boyfriend making Turkey lose interest in them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZJKTFt4hS8
>>30826 I mean, it's just an Azeri Special Military Operation
>>8738 >oil in Azerbaijan It cannot save or kill Petrodollar at this point, so does not really matter in itself. Except for Azerbaijan and nearby partners thereof. It may make a great difference for Turkey, if it either pisses off the Arabs so much that Saudi will not head State Department, or pisses off both Arabs and Mirkins. >>15019 ...which is feasible. But then Turkey itself will not matter much. Their greatest capital is the location, hence all the double-dealing. But if they fumble it enough to piss off everyone too much and lose backing, it loses value. And they won't be able to act up because they already have pissed off everyone, so this probably won't end well without an external force to deter escalation.
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Armenia to request the intervention of CSTO, Russia, and the UN Security Council in response to renewed aggression from Azerbaijan.
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>>40880 NATO intervention to keep up the offensive in Ukraine? Did Turkey distract Armenia with peace in an attempt to finish the genocide and let Azerbaijan grab more clay?
>>40886 Apparently Kazakhstan has been selling oil to the EU though Turkey via an Azeri pipeline and the Azeris themselves have reached a deal to increase exports of natural gas to Europe. With Russian oil and gas under sanction, King Roach has Europe's balls in a vice (maybe even moreso than during the rapefugee crisis) and free rein to pursue his nu-Ottoman dreams: https://www.euractiv.com/section/central-asia/news/kazakhstan-to-start-oil-sales-via-azeri-pipeline-to-bypass-russia/ https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/Azerbaijan-To-Ramp-Up-Gas-Exports-To-Europe-By-30.html https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/bulgaria-offers-azerbaijan-electricity-for-gas-deal/
A ceasefire has been announced for the time being.
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Armenia update. https://archive.ph/NvxgC
>>41000 >AZ blocks TikTok Shit is about to get real.
>>41000 round 3 here we go
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Meanwhile, in the western Caucasus... https://archive.ph/tR8ks
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>>41000 CSTO declines Armenia's call to arms. >The Collective Security Treaty Organization has refused to provide military assistance to Armenia "in the near future", despite Azerbaijan's large-scale aggression along the entire border. >The head of the CSTO Joint Staff Anatoly Sidorov said Thursday, September 15 that sending CSTO forces to Armenia was not on the table. >"On September 13, the heads of state unanimously declared that that issue that exists today between Armenia and Azerbaijan, should be resolved by political and diplomatic methods," Sidorov said. >He said the involvement of the CSTO has not even been discussed. >A CSTO mission headed by Sidorov is expected in Armenia on Thursday, while Secretary General Stanislav Zas is planning to travel to Armenia next week. https://archive.ph/gyJjB
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Pelosi to visit the capital of Armenia on Saturday. https://archive.ph/j9jo5
>>41067 >>41068 It must be so awkward to be in Armenia's position
>>41068 Wonder what stocks she's trying to manipulate with this one. >>41069 Their entire history is like this, it's almost comedic.
>>41068 Why?
>>41068 Heh, maybe Azeris can pull of what Bugmen couldn't.
>>41084 Azeroaches are just discount (shia) roaches.
>>41124 I think many Iranians also dislike Azerbaijan for their uppity nigger behavior and for referring to the north of Iran as South Azerbaijan, like how Syria, Iraq, and Turkey views Kurds.
>had a dream that Kyrgyzstan dropped a thermobaric on Tajikistan's capital what does it mean
>>41139 It means that you haven't been getting enough actual sleep. Spend at least 30 minutes away from computer screens or smart phone screens before bed and stay hydrated throughout the day.
>>41140 >stay hydrated >Spend at least 30 minutes away from computer screens or smart phone screens before bed Screens off an hour before bed is really the bare minimum for a decent sleep in my opinion.
>>41140 >>41146 Don't be a fag who does this shit. Long sleep periods are low quality sleep, take stimulants and drink water and wake up early
>>41148 You mean wake up on time in line with your sleep cycle, which actually determines how refreshed you feel.
>>41150 >You mean wake up on time in line with your sleep cycle No, I don't mean that you absolute faggot Sleep cycles are entirely a myth without a single reason for anyone to have ever believed in for a second. Feeling refreshed has to do with neurotransmitter repletion and hormones, neither of which relate to sleep. Feeling refreshed has nothing to do with the actual benefits of REM sleep which is basically just better-than-the-best meditation.
>>41140 you're right, realized last night that I spend just about my entire day staring at screens between work, shitposting, and watching dumb jewtube videos to fall asleep to.
>>41151 >source: I made it up
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>>40880 >its bilateral defence treaty with Russia lets fucking gooooooooooooo
>>41839 muh war crimes
>>41839 Man even ruskies let the chechens pray before getting the rounds back in the day, these dudes are too rude.
>>41839 Here's hoping Armenia gets its revenge
>>41844 There's bad blood between the two because of the genocide meaning Azerbaijan hates them too while Armenia did reprisal killings I guess to the Turks and Azeris hence the virile rage of the latter. >>41845 Armenians won't do shit as they believe in falsehoods like being the bigger man and loving thy enemy.
>>41842 Armenia already asked the CSTO to intervene, and the CSTO told Armenia to fuck off. https://archive.ph/sGOix
>>41839 >shooting wildly >towards a bunch of rocks >when your buddies are standing in a circle around your targets Seems like a bad idea, I wonder how many times someone has done this and injured/killed one of their own with a ricochet.
>>41851 thats hella uncool, yo
>>41839 It's been a couple of hundred thousands years of human conflict and somehow there's still people out there that unironically believe that surrendering to the enemy is a viable option. Throughout history the overwhelming majority of the time, prisoners end up butchered. Unless you're fighting some western nation then surrendering is literally the equivalent of suicide. The Azeris in that video are not doing anything out of the ordinary. Killing prisoners is literally what everyone except for the west tends to do in war. You'd think that the Armenians especially would understand this after fighting them twice already.
>>41897 It depends pretty heavily on your neighbors, the modern west isn't anywhere near the first society to take prisoners over mass slaughter. Though the other result was usually slavery instead of being thrown in a prison forever.
Armenia and Azerbaijan are tentatively agreeing to a Minsk-style agreement whereas Nagorno-Karabakh will be recognized as an autonomous region indirectly under Azerbaijan's control with the understanding that Russia will invade Azerbaijan if they try to fuck around.
>>51259 >Minsk-style That's not going to end well, what's to prevent the Azeris from just reneging like Ukraine did? A forced population transfer + exchanging NK with Nakhichevan is the only way I see out of this without a proper sequel war.
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>>51279 >what's to prevent the Azeris from just reneging like Ukraine did? Presumably the Azeris actually want to follow through even if they hate the Armenis. Trade stops family fueds and age-long conflicts (see: 100 years war, Abraham Accords, Moroccan-American Treaty of Friendship, etc.), and this deal seems to be focused on promoting trade between Azerbaijan and its surroundings. Up until now Azerbaijan's only real ally was Turkey and Israel since everyone else was part of Central Asian security organizations that hated Azerbaijan or trade organizations that hated Azerbaijan, and Armenia was making newfound friends of Turkey via Russia. They open back up trade relations with Armenia through Nagorno-Karabakh as a medium, and in exchange they presumably get to sit at the big kids' table and form trade agreements with countries that had otherwise cut off all ties with them in a few years' time and use Armeni infrastructure to transport goods to other countries. Plus the Armenis just found a shit ton of Israeli spyware on their devices that was used against them during the last flare-up of fighting so they're getting to the point where they would rather work with the Muslims. Apparently even the Georgians are spooked by Armenia and Azerbaijan getting along and have agreed to allow Russian flights into and through the country severely angering the USA in the process in order to rapidly start normalizing ties to Moscow out of fear of being the odd one out. Last but not least, Azerbaijan only won the last conflict because of drones, which Armenia is slowly buying from Iran and learning how to counteract TB2s from Russia, so the same trick probably won't work twice.
>>51292 >Georgia normalizing Russian relations. I don't really see that as possible long term, only because like 30% of the country is occupied by Russia and the Georgians said recent they are prepared to fight if Russia keeps them out of NATO/EU. Given how the Russo-Georgian war went last time I'm betting that Russia wins by a landslide so long as they don't repeat Brest-Litovsk with the Ukraine war. The funniest part of all of this is how Armenia and Georgia tried to play nice with the US and got burnt (versus staying neutral at minimum), despite every CIA coup in history and how those "supporters" got hung out to dry.

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