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US Air Force claims to have built a superplane in secret Strelok 09/20/2020 (Sun) 18:17:35 No.5846
Revealed: US Air Force Has Secretly Built and Flown a New Fighter Jet The new digital tools that designed the full-scale flight demonstrator could herald a sea change in weapons acquisition. >The U.S. Air Force’s disclosure that it has secretly built and flown a prototype fighter jet could signal a shift in how the military buys weapons and who builds them. >Will Roper, the head of Air Force acquisition, revealed the existence of the new jet, which he said was part of the service’s Next Generation Air Dominance, or NGAD, project. “NGAD right now is designing, assembling, testing in the digital world, exploring things that would have cost time and money to wait for physical world results,” Roper said during a video presentation at the Air Force Association’s Virtual Air, Space & Cyber Conference on Tuesday. “NGAD has come so far that the full-scale flight demonstrator has already flown in the physical world. It’s broken a lot of records in the doing.” >Roper provided no more details about the jet, which is presumed to be the Pentagon’s first attempt to build a “sixth-generation” tactical aircraft after the fifth-gen F-22 and F-35 jets. He even declined to name the company or companies that built the jet. But he said the digital design technology used to build the new plane could increase competition and increase the number of American military jet makers. >“Digital engineering is lowering overhead for production and assembly [so] you do not have to have huge facilities, huge workforces [and] expensive tooling,” Roper said on a video conference call with reporters after his presentation. “It is letting us take aircraft assembly back to where we were in the [19]70s and prior to it — back when we had 10 or more companies who could build airplanes for the United States Air Force, because you could do it in hangar-like facilities with small, but very good teams, of engineers and mechanics. We're going back to that. It's super exciting.” >Lockheed Martin and Boeing are the only two U.S. companies that currently build fighter jets. >The Air Force in July revealed that it received 18 bids for a new drone that could fly in formation with manned fighter jets. While Boeing, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics won contracts, much smaller Kratos, which has been the subject of acquisition speculation, also received a contract. “We're...surprised there were 18 bidders,” Cowen & Company analyst Roman Schweizer, wrote in a July 24 note to investors. “Having five competitors for a decent-sized program is pretty solid, in our opinion, particularly when you consider three or fewer is the norm for most platforms, weapons or systems.” >Another reason for disclosing the NGAD project: Roper wants companies to invest more in digital design technology. In recent years, the Pentagon writ large has been trying to tap into innovation, particularly commercial technology, that could be adopted for the military. >Roper declined to give many additional details about the NGAD project because it is classified. But he said part of the reasoning for disclosing the existence of a test aircraft was to prove to naysayers that combat aircraft could be fully designed and tested on computers before they’re physically built, much like the way Boeing and Saab built the T-7 pilot training jet in recent years. “I've had many people in the Pentagon and elsewhere, say, ‘I see how you could apply that approach to a trainer like T-7, but you could not build a cutting-edge warfighting system that way,’” Roper said. “I've had to listen to that and just nod my head and say, ‘Well, you may be right,’ knowing in the back of my head that you're actually wrong because of what NGAD has done.” >In addition to the NGAD and the T-7, Northrop Grumman is using digital design and testing in building new intercontinental ballistic missiles and it’s also being used on two new satellite projects, Roper said. “My hope is to create greater credibility and the process, at least within my my own team for many who are not read in to NGAD, so that they will know to get smart on this technology because we're going to train on it, we're going to drill on it until this is the way we do business,” he said. >Digital design technology is already being used by the automotive industry and Formula One racing. https://archive.is/b1rGq https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/09/usaf-jet/168479/
>>9214 search 'slaughterbots' anon.
>>13559 That was a Boeing 777 that started fucking up over Denver.
>>13561 Thanks, Strelok. I imagine the 'Oy Veys!' were heard all the way out to Peugeot Sound at the groundings that followed. This will be a financial hit to them for sure.
>>13562 When I saw the picture from that angle I thought the owner of that house are truck must be the luckiest man around, to have it land there and miss the two very expensive things surrounding it, but it turns out it didn't miss. It landed in the bed of his truck and bounced to that position, so it did cause expensive damage after all.
>>13558 From what I've read they're suspecting it was a fatigue-induced failure of the blades on one of the turbine fans. Uncontained turbine failures have a tendency to send shrapnel into the cabin and sometimes the people sitting in it; that incident could have been a lot worse.
>>13564 Yeah I suspected something like that when I noticed the perforations across the garage door. The debris (unsurprisingly) must be pretty lightweight and rigid. Otherwise shit would have been scattered everywhere. >>13565 Very true. You can see the armoring weave in the shroud suffered damage, but apparently held for the most part.
>>5970 Cheverlegs
>>6022 What's with the spoopy voice modulator?
>>6129 Because if it's remote you can just jam the signal and "kill" the pilot, not to mention it'd be bad in a stealth plane since the signal would give away it's general location. Also why are we doing full post spoilers? Does it have something to do with bots?
>>6106 >no window **I can't imagine that would be well received by pilots. Even the Mercury astronauts wanted a window and they barely had any control of that thing. How would ejector seat design cope with a windowless craft and a prone pilot anyway? **
>>13910 >Because if it's remote you can just jam the signal and "kill" the pilot Not if it's line of sight laser communication coupled with trained dog fighting algorithms for use during loss of communication.
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>F-35's failure made nips start developing their own "F-X" stealth fighter >At least six internal weapon bays >Helmet with a VR-assisted HUD >To be able to deploy and control up to three drones while fighting >Radar to also work as a microwave cannon to fry enemy missiles >Expected delivery 2035 Nips will make Ace Combat real.
>>13918 That looks more like competition for the F-22 Raptor, not the Lightning II >F-35's failure 'Failure' is hardly the correct word, given it's active deployment. 'Embarrassing Boondoggle' might be a bit more appropriate.
>>13918 >>13921 So what's the current status of the F-35? Is it already in service replacing other planes? Is it actually being used by anyone other than the US?
>>13918 >comes with AI assistant hologram that gets progressively more saucy with successive white phosphorous hits on Chinese manufacturing hubs ganbatte
>>13922 >So what's the current status of the F-35? Is it already in service replacing other planes? Is it actually being used by anyone other than the US? There is too much money not to continue with the F-35. You can read what is the closest the public can get on info regarding how shit is going for it. Though right now it the F-35 is still in the IOT&E (Initial Operational Test and Evaluation), but you see it being deployed already as a deterrent since there isn't enough alternatives. But yeah, the plane still sucks ass and still has a shitload of problems.
>>13941 I read the entire dokument, thanks Strelok. >But yeah, the plane still sucks ass and still has a shitload of problems. Ehh, I'm not so sure. It's more like an example of greedy kikes kowtowing to arrogant Congressmen, then strong-arming top managers to pigeonhole middle managers to promise the stars when they couldn't even deliver the Moon. The poor grunts actually doing the work on the thing have worked wonders even trying to consolidate, and coordinate the unbelievable hodgepodge dogpile of requirements and feature-after-feature tacked on b/c muh_local_porkbelly. The fact the thing can fly at all (and is actually improving significantly during the past year at meeting it's ridiculous requirements) is some kind of testament to both the engineers creating the jet and the deployed crews fielding it. >>13922 It currently has ~600 deployed craft. The US has tentative plans for ~1700 total, not sure what the other countries plans are.
Was the AH-56 a meme?
>>13921 Well it did have great portion of its orders cancelled in favour of F-1SEX
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Surely the US Army won't fall for the tiltrotor meme, right?
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>>20414 They didn't go with the obviously superior layout, so what do you think?
>>20414 >Sikorsky–Boeing SB>1 Defiant What compelled them to decide they needed to be special and cool by using ">" instead of "-"? >JMR-Ultra: New ultra-sized version for vertical lift aircraft with performance similar to fixed-wing tactical transport aircraft, such as the C-130J Super Hercules and the Airbus A400M Atlas; introduction planned for 2025.[16] Oh boy I can't wait for a tiltrotor four times the size of the Osprey.
X-32 has a new fren!
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>anon.cafe still can't into AV1 webms How will Lockheeb respond?
>>20539 >checkmate It's a damn shame that war is more like a cardgame where all the players are drunk and try their best to cheat. Including involving people who aren't even present at the table. Besides, I highly doubt that even the most sugoi of Sukhois could somehow decide a war. Really, I just want to see advertisements that don't trigger my 'tism.
>>20459 I didn't know helicopters could have downs.
>>20539 >How will Lockheeb respond? Build more F-35s? It isn't going to build a new fighter even if it is already obsolete for at least another decade.
>>20539 >How will Lockheeb respond? The F35 was transitioned from main fighting jet to transitional fighting jet under Trump's presidency back in 2017. It's only meant as an auxiliary piece for the USAF until their 6th gen electronic warfare jet is finished circa 2035-2040ish ("estimated delivery" is 2030). The entire F35 project was just an excuse to see which US allies would betray us (Turkey) vs which ones would step up to the plate (Japan) because America is preparing to rewrite import/export laws on military hardware for the first time since 1970 and needed a diplomatically-based jet that was good enough to sell but not good enough to fuck with trained American pilots in case trust was misplaced in our allies, and to that end it has worked spectacularly. The UK is doing the same thing with their Gen6 jet in conjunction with Sweden and I believe Italy, so it will probably be the next F35 meme plane.
Speaking of the F-35, the UK just crashed one into the Med.
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>>20547 >our boondoggle was according to keikaku all along Doubt it.
>>20539 Why would they? If they even manage to build a single one, they'll crash it or keep it in a hangar after a major failure, just like the Su-57. Russia can't afford it, doesn't have the industry or workforce to build them in large numbers. They claim they can build one of those for $30 million. Total joke.
>>20705 Doesn't the Russian government currently have a tax surplus of some $600 billion US equivalency that is basically free money for the military to use (with approval)?
Do recent fighter planes still use vector CRTs to project heads up displays?
>"sixth generation" >F-35, "fifth generation" plane is a gigantic mess >"look this is all digital! allows us to make so much breakthroughs!" >Pentagon asked for actual results, we deployed "smile and nod" lol This is either crackpot blueprints with no actual framework for production (hardhats need a lot of time to get things together), an elaborate money laundering scheme using government contracts (KICKSTART A PLANE DESIGN, STRETCH GOAL MET!), a hurried effort to put something out to make US gov look competent in arms race (russia bad!) or, and I don't want to think about it, they're trying to rip off UFO alium craft designs in there.
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>>33050 >or, and I don't want to think about it, they're trying to rip off UFO alium craft designs in there. Which Ayyy UFOs would those be, Strelok?
>>33050 >>33056 https://forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org/2017/12/axis-from-lightning-bugs-to-milorbs.html My guess? A combination of #2 and #4. Other people have already made attempts at decoding this site. Search the "Defense" category for the important stuff. They aren't tying everything up in black projects for nothing. Search for the keywords "MilOrb" and "PSV/Paradigm Shifter Vehicle" for further information. And no, before you ask, I don't care whether posting this gets me shot, though I doubt they will. If they cared they wouldn't put these documents out publicly.
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Another chrome F-22 alongside news that F-22s are being used to testbed NGAD tech. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-22-being-used-to-test-next-generation-air-dominance-fighter-tech God I hope this is what the future looks like.
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>>33098 Previous chrome F-22, for comparison
>>33075 >PSV That's the All Domain Warfare vehicle demonstrator with a fresh coat of paint, it's nothing new and 100% manmade. The development project actually dates all the way back to Kelly Johnson. The modern form, makes use of the Noble Pilot Isolation concept, aka the Coffin System, to basically eliminate any g-forces the pilot feels. Combined with elements such as extensive Carbon Nanotube construction, you have an aircraft that can essentially get away with maneuvers even drones couldn't pull off and is borderline indestructible verses modern threats. What the article fails to bring up is the ADW also was fully capable of underwater travel and switching between the domains without any issue at all. >MilOrb A split off of 'God Beam', the cousin of Project Blue Beam, also nothing new and 100% manmade. Also more commonly known as the 'Tic-Tac'. The US accidentally discovered this all the way back in the 1950's when they were experimenting with lasers and radiation theory. They are balls of plasma generated by crossing plasma/particle streams (often bounced from space), but sometimes from aircraft. These tic-tacs don't really 'exist' in the sense of a material object, but they show up to both the naked eye and radar. With a little programming can be made to appear as and act like virtually any aircraft (including missiles), giving them the ability to either serve as training dummies. or their original application - cheap, invulnerable dummy targets to clog enemy detection systems. What the article fails to mention is that by manipulating the frequency of the beams, it's actually possible to modulate the tic-tac's vibration frequencies allowing the operator of the tic-tac to 'talk' through it. Thus project blue beam was born. Overall, I give the article a 3/10, it regurgitates legitimate conspiracy from the last 40 years into a newer, novel form for a generation that hasn't already seen it. Unfortunately, they also dumb it down and add a layer of absurdity and ridiculousness so that people won't believe it because they had to make it about ayyliums. Points to them for having verisimilar practice before that waffle, though. Yes, the world is slowly unveiling its 'black projects' from the cold war, but there are no ayys and there are no lizard men inside the moon controlling everything on earth. >They aren't tying everything up in black projects for nothing. Strelok, are you familiar with the concept of 'dreadnoughting'? It's when a military completely obsoletes itself to the benefit of the enemy power by unveiling a force multiplier that shifts the entire paradigm of warfare, allowing the enemy powers to reset the game. The US, Soviets, Germans, and basically everyone else learned very well from the British on how devastating that is and all sides refuse to do so; and while the Dreadnought itself is a bad example of the 'dreadnoughting', the concept itself still is an extremely legitimate reason why most Military Industrial Complexes refuse to actually publicly push the limits of technology until someone else does it first or they are completely comfortable with the enemy having the technology. Furthermore, providing the solution before there is a problem simply isn't profitable. If the defense contractors developed the end-all-do-all weapon, they would be out of business within three to five years. - it's the same reason why the cure for cancer isn't released.
>>33130 >makes use of the Noble Pilot Isolation concept, aka the Coffin System, to basically eliminate any g-forces the pilot feels So like the plug system in Evangelion then?
>>33130 Is this a shitpost? I honestly ask because I can find nothing on any of that just by searching keywords, the blue beam shit all lead me to abovetopsecret which is a psyop.
>>33296 It wasn't exactly a shitpost, but it wasn't literal either, it was mostly meant as a tongue-in-cheek rhetorical argument. So it kind of was a shitpost. The point of the post was that the article linked was regurgitating old conspiracy, psyops or not, and I didn't give it any credence - especially when it started about ayyliums. That being said, it wasn't like the entire thing had no base in reality - or at least in conspiracy. Although, first off, the concept of 'dreadnoughting' actually is 100% a real industrial concern for any developmental industry, although it goes by many names even in the defense and military industries - I believe I've also heard it referred to as the more generic Auto-Obsolescence Theory. The logic presented in the previous post is sufficient explanation of it, in short nobody can afford to obsolete themselves and only madmen (read: anyone trying to create the perfect AI) would be willing to try. >I can find nothing on any of that just by searching keywords That would be because, as with pretty much any conspiracy theory, they all go by a million different names; with the exceptions of the ones that get really popular such as Blue Beam, HARP, and the Aurora Project, but even those had other names before they were popularized. I'll just go over the ones I presented because I'm bored. Of course, as with any conspiracy theory involving technology, all of these hedge on the (quite popular) belief that anything that the public has or knows about, the black projects are 20-50 years ahead of. Itself not exactly an inherently unbelievable position, due largely to the fact that the masses simply don't care about what actually is the bleeding edge of development moreso than any conspiracy to hide theoretical scientific developments. >Noble Pilot Isolation/Coffin System concept In short, the 'Noble Pilot Isolation' concept is using a inertial mass reduction system that utilizes the resonance of microwaves reacting with certain noble gases inside a charged chamber to create a thin vacuum around the shell, essentially isolating it and everything contained within (the pilot) from any and all external forces (including G-forces). Conspiracy holds that this system was conceptualized by Johnson and co. in the mid-to-late 50s, but as the pilot was completely isolated from the outside world by solid material it was deemed entirely useless. The conspiracy claims that Bill Rich and his team later managed to make it work by creating the 'Coffin System', which was a network of cameras, displays, and computers to provide the pilot with a near complete picture of everything going on around him, a HUD, and basically the entire information stream; and, of course, the conspiracy claims that the later information systems of the F-22 and F-35 are all stemmed from this. This conspiracy as the 'Coffin System' would make a pop-culture appearance as an actual thing in the Ace Combat series, but mostly for its information/data processing capabilities. >All Domain Warfare vehicle demonstrator While there's no actual proof that said ever vehicle existed, especially back when the conspiracy originates, the US Navy actually did file a patent for something that basically is it in 2016 (US10144532B2, if you're wondering). Incidentally, this puts public theory to the Noble Pilot Isolation concept, but on a larger scale (the entire craft) and for greater effect (gravitonic propulsion systems, for example). It's also worth pointing out that many conspiracy theorists explain the appearance of the 'Tic-Tac' UFOs that the US Navy and Air Force complain about with production versions of this vehicle. >MilOrb/Tic-Tac Both of these names are simply refined applications of the God Beam conspiracy, unless the conspiracy you're following holds that the Tic-Tac UFOs are actually ADW Vehicles. >God Beam Honestly, this one isn't really far out there as far as conspiracy theories go, since it never claimed to be anything insidious. Which is probably why it isn't a popular conspiracy. It simply holds that three things are true: Firstly: 1) crossing certain forms of radiation beams will generate noise at the location of the beams crossing 2) by modulating the frequency and strength of the radiation it is possible to control the resulting noise 3) it is able to be refined enough to use as a remote speaker All three points have been found to be true, although you'd practically have to be buried in a technical institute to know that since the development is conventionally useless - concealed speakers are infinitely simpler to set up. Secondly: 1) crossing certain forms of radiation beams will generate visible plasma at the location of the beams crossing 2) by modulating the frequency and strength of the radiation it is possible to control appearance of the resulting plasma 3) it is able to be refined enough to produce a sufficient three-dimensional image made of this plasma Again, all three points have been proven true. Look up the recent developments in Three Dimensional Volumetric Displays. and Lastly: 1) the US, be it the military or some spook organization, attempted to combine and weaponize these systems in order to create 'ghost' aircraft to serve as decoys, training targets, and harassment systems, as well as to be used as near-perfect optical camouflage systems for secret bases, ships, vehicles, and the like. If you believe in the 20-50 year technological delay, this isn't exactly an outlandish conspiracy theory. It's actually relatively grounded. Blue Beam took it several thousand steps farther into the realm of absurdity, however. >Project Blue Beam Project Blue Beam is, or at least was, a very well known conspiracy theory believed to have been created by Serge Monast. It likely the most well known conspiracy theories in the entire world, almost rivaling that of Area 51 being an alien research facility, even wikipedia has a page on it. It's actually more well known than the HAARP conspiracy. In essence, Monast took God Beam and the New World Order, the wet dream of the globalist elites, and took them both to their logical conclusion: using thousands of God Beam systems in satellites they would basically create a god ad-nihilo which, combined with space-based weaponry systems to act as their bespoke god's 'fury', they would use to create a one-world-religion where membership was mandatory and the elites would basically be the clergy. A daft conspiracy, but not entirely unbelievable on the technological scale. The only things it requires are God Beam to work, since the plasma generated by the imagery side would be sufficient to publicly 'smite a few heretics'. Of course, it would also require there to actually be a cohesive global elite that could actually agree on enough to do anything of such a scale, which is where the entire thing falls apart.
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>>33315 >utilizes the resonance of microwaves reacting with certain noble gases inside a charged chamber to create a thin vacuum around the shell, essentially isolating it and everything contained within (the pilot) from any and all external forces (including G-forces). How does a vacuum around the cockpit completely negate all inertia and gravity? >the conspiracy claims that the later information systems of the F-22 and F-35 are all stemmed from this. That's probably a meme, the F-35's touchscreen cockpit UI is retarded and the F-22's cockpit isn't particularly more or less advanced compared to that of 4++ gen fighters like the Eurokiker, Rafale, Gri
>>33322 >How does a vacuum around the cockpit completely negate all inertia and gravity? I honestly have no real idea, but that is what the official papers (such as patents) suggest. >That's probably a meme Of course it's a meme, it's a conspiracy theory. That being said, I'm pretty sure they were referring to the fancy helmet mounted display that was supposed to give the pilot 360 degree awareness.
>>33130 >there are no ayys and there are no lizard men inside the moon controlling everything on earth. Sounds like what a lizard man would say, we already know from both the chinamen and the americans that the moon is probably hollow or has giant empty pockets inside after 3 experiments, plus the maths behind the geometry and the odds of those appearing on our moon are a very, very small probability. Still i can believe most of what people have seen in the skies is manmade.
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>>6593 Isn't this the one that uses a huge amount of the extremely limited tritium supply? <once this machine is up and running, key information can be gained that will help pave the way to commercial, power-producing fusion devices, whose fuel — deuterium and tritium — can be made available in virtually limitless supplies. That's a fat lel. This is the project with the 'uh, we'll just stick some shields there and maybe we'll be able to harvest tritium from that?' side goal. I thought they'd already built this and it did produce energy like every other tabletop fusion reactor a highschooler made at home.
>>5847 > why the F-35 was so unexplainably *expensive* Not at all. This looked like classic Pentagon Pricing. Except more cheeky (what's with promises to do everything at once), so with even more grift on every stage. >>5928 > This is where the "space force" funding was originally going The Space Force thing looked more like an attempt to reboot NASA with personnel that isn't thoroughly pozzed, that could perhaps do something more productive than "Wahmen In Tech!!1" self-celebrations at workplace. >>5992 Ah, but this would require sanity... >>6019 Or, grift intensifies. Sounds about right.
I'd rather this not get slid.
So, beside Lockheed Martin and Boeing price:quality rates going over the edge even by Pentagon standards, do they consider “muh stealth” thing mostly obsolete? Because that was what killed “10 or more companies” era, IIRC.

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