>>59363 >Now there's much more talk of Ukrainans making concessions to Russians, even within Ukrainan circles. What concessions? A promise to steer clear of NATO… again? Besides, it’s not like anyone would trust these puppets anyway. >>59369 The first dude is alone and has odd gait, already bad signs. Maybe this >>59371 Or returns from "rest and recreation" in shrubs less than sober >>59120 , or lightly wounded (and possibly on painkillers), or just worn out from lack of sleep and lags far behind his guys. The second dude is nothing special. He just sits there for who knows how long, and wiggles fingers either to keep his right hand from numbing, or to keep himself awake. Something banged him on the head hard, but not quite enough to knock down, he takes a few seconds to blink and look around, but it’s too late for him.

>>59407 Daily reminder that people who like blacked and openly post it don't have right to exist or even argue about stuff inb4 >he goes apeshit.

>>59391 Its just schizo image I found while trawling 4/k/ for informations from the ukrainian side. Dont think too hard about it, in their world russians are currently suffering 20:1 vehicle losses. It is genuinely the worst board I have ever seen and that includes tvchan. >>59407 Of course. No state is eternal.

>>59400 >What concessions? Territorial. General consensus among the Russians is that their govement will not accept another Minsk style agreement, since even the western politicians admitted it was basically a ploy in order to pump Ukraine full of weapons and trained men. I don't think Russians will be willing to discuss anything short of Zaporozhie, Donetsk, Luhanks and Kherson, with Kherson maybe being split among Russians and Ukrainans by Dineper. I think Odessa,Nikolaev and Kharkov are probably off the table unless we see some massive change on the front, which I highly doubt we will

>>59413 >No state is eternal. Although the Abbos have been doing good for about 50,000 to 60,000 years. Well "good" anyway.

>>59395 Shell shock is technically just another term for ptsd but yes being around explosions constantly will have effects in your brain, the blast waves from them will literally rattle your bones and can bruise your organs those WW1 vets that struggled to walk at all most likely had severe TBIs and other internal damage because of artillery.

>>59410 Tengu won't do shit about him but that doesn't mean you have to oblige the dopamine prostitute with responses.

>>59414 I don't think Kharkiv is optional. If Russia ends this war without it, they effectively lost because the porous border there is how Globohomo imported their gay trash into Russia in the first place. They'll get their warm-water ports but they'll lose the culture battle in 20 years without Kharkiv.

>>59414 > Territorial. That’s meaningless. What matters are capabilities and agreements, in this context things will have to go farther than just concessions. > General consensus among the Russians is that their govement will not accept another Minsk style agreement, Rumours are just so, rumours. > it was basically a ploy in order to pump Ukraine full of weapons and trained men. The very existence of Orange Revolution (post-Maidan) “Ukraine” was. It’s little more than a framework for proxy army. It served its masters’ purpose. With puppets it’s impossible to have an agreement worth the paper it’s written on. By definition: they don’t own themselves, so they don’t own their word. Never mind puppet of a puppet of a puppet. It follows that if left around in any form, the hostile puppet can and will be used for the same purpose in one form or another. So perhaps it’s possible to secure Black Sea areas, roads and pipes Westward, etc. But it’s only going to be reasonably safe if effectively isolated from external support and carved up to the point of inability to do anything at all. And lasting peace is only possible if hostile puppetry ceases altogether, which requires regime change. So… why stop halfway?

>>59410 blacked porn > actual sex You're an incel so you wouldnt understand anyways.

>>59432 >So… why stop halfway? Depends how much war Russia is willing to stomach, given that the west's own constitution for direct war seems to be nil. Can the Russians endure a long grinding war for a longer term solution? It's anyone's guess.

>>59460 The only thing vatniks can stomach is cum, much like UKikes.

>>59461 You're probably right in implying that this war will go on till the apparatchiks in Moscow and Washington decide.

Looks like Washington wants to offload this problem to Europe some time in 2024 though.

>>59465 I wish they'd offload into my ass

>>59465 I think it will be quite the hot potato during the election season.

>>59423 The guy isn't a prostitute but whole goddamned clown.

>>59424 I don't see how they would take Kahrkov with their current numbers and battlefield situation. The only way I realistically see it without a sizable mobilization of Russians is if UAF and Ukrainan goverment simply disintegrate under the attrition and unrest. >>59432 >So… why stop halfway? I'd say the same, but sometimes decisions made by the Russian govement were simply bizarre. If they don't go for something like Carthaginian peace they will have hostile entity right at its several thousand kilometer border, the only question is are they willing and able to impose their demands.

>>59480 >UAF and Ukrainan goverment simply disintegrate under the attrition and unrest. That could be yet one more thing this conflict resembles ww1. Russia collapsed without the Central Powers ever getting close to Moscow, and then the Central Powers collapsed without any Entente forces even entering their territories. It makes sense, as ww2 was much faster so enemy forces usually conquered a whole country before the hardships of war could even properly set in.

>>59481 My thoughts are along the same lines. Russian army wasn't actually defeated on the battlefield proper in WW1 but rather Russian goverment imploded due to the absolutely fucked goverment and revolutionary movements. Low morale and absolutely retarded conduct by some Russian generals didn't help either. We might be seeing something similar brewing within Ukrainan goevtment as split between Zaluzhny and Zelenski seem to grow with each day. Still, time will tell

When a country implodes like that you'd think the Russians could just march to the capital... in which case, can't Vlad secure the puppet-state governance that he wanted to install since the start of it all?

>>59480 >I don't see how they would take Kahrkov with their current numbers and battlefield situation. Look at the deployment map and how many units ukrainians have in there. > The only way I realistically see it without a sizable mobilization of Russians reminder that russians formed two entire military districts out of new recruits. >>59277 >I wanna these, especially the automated turret that kinda shit terrifies me. You can make one by yourself with a gun, controller, motions sensors and camera. Its cheap and relatively easy to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTqK8JRi0k ------------- https://strana.news/news/451432-valerij-zaluzhnyj-dolzhen-ujti-v-otstavku-marjana-bezuhlaja.html >Zaluzhny didn't provide the plan of war-2024 and has to leave-the people's Deputy from "Servants of the people" >The commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valery Zaluzhny, does not have a war plan for 2024, and therefore must resign. >This was stated by Deputy head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense, MP from Servant of the People Mariana Bezuglaya on her Facebook page, referring to a "non-public discussion" with the military. <"Yes, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not provide a plan for 2024. Neither big nor small, neither asymmetrical nor symmetrical. The military simply said that they need to take at least 20 thousand citizens a month, " she writes. Two points here, 1. rumors say that this happened because zelensky demands offensive during the next year . He publicly stated that the newly mobilized/conscripted/enslaved troops will be used in future offensive and ukrainian armor has been pretty much withdrawn from Avdievka so they do have armor. Old ass leos 1 and abrams but they do have them. 2.Zaluzhny does not work alone. Its not just him that does not know what to do its ENTIRE NATO HIGH COMMAND. >Ukraine will not sign a settlement agreement with the Russian Federation without reparations. Ukraine will never agree to this. And peace will not go well, because someone has to pay these reparations. If not Russia, then who? >(c) Deputy Minister of Justice of Ukraine Iryna Mudra Just lmao Budanovs (chief ukro spook) wife was assasinated, at least according to rumors. Dima is sick Otherwise, the weather is shit and everything halted to a crawl (more)

>>59492 >When a country implodes like that you'd think the Russians could just march to the capital... in which case, can't Vlad secure the puppet-state governance that he wanted to install since the start of it all? And pay ukrainian debts to the west?

>>59494 Why bother if the West wouldn't recognize such government as legitimate anyway?

>>59496 International law and such. Also most of that debt would be to private entities not to governments. You know it is one of the theories that circle around, if russia outright annexes ukraine than they now have to deal with rebuilding of the entire country, pay for all the wounded and limbless etc. so it might be more profitable to anex just small bits and leave a sick rump state with economy on the level of somalia (not somaliland).

>>59369 >2nd video Was that a stun or smoke grenade? I thought the guy on the left was sleeping, but seems he's already dead. >>59415 >Well "good" anyway. And "state". >>59494 >And pay ukrainian debts to the west? Nah pull a page from bolsheviks and repudiate the predecessor debts, simple as!

>>59493 >Ukraine will not sign a settlement agreement with the Russian Federation without reparations. Ukraine will never agree to this. And peace will not go well, because someone has to pay these reparations. If not Russia, then who? They'll get reparations just fine. As a Russian vassal state. The Russians will pay to recover the infrastructure because the Russians will be using said infrastructure. ffs when this war began Ukraine could have given up their coal mines and continued being a global leader in agriculture and computer tech, but they had to go full retard over some yokels who didn't even want to be part of their country and now their country might get split between Russia and Poland at this rate. It's disgusting.

>>59493 >Look at the deployment map and how many units ukrainians have in there. True, but Kharkov is a city, and a major one at that. It doesn't take many men in order to pin down a far larger force in urban combat. Even some smaller or depleted units can be used to slow down a large attacking force, giving enough time for UAF to transfer reserves there to stabilize the situation. Russian fucked up big time by using only two brigades with some recon elements in the beginning in a attempt to encircle Kharkov.

>>59415 State is separate entity from nation, race and people it rules over. >>59516 >giving enough time for UAF to transfer reserves there to stabilize the situation. There are no reserves. Just look at poor 47th mech brig, getting thrown from the meatgrinder of Robotyne straight into meatgrinder at Avdievka without a pause for refit or recovery. Russians opening another front would mean Ukrainians having to scrable brigades from different frontline, at this point Ukrainians can only choose which battle they want to certainly lose.

>>59518 >There are no reserves. Most of Russian analysts say that Ukrainans still poses mobilization capacities, especialy since they've drafted the bill that will allow any men over 18 to be conscripted, as well as as supplementing depleted formations with female soldiers. Though you're right about the latter, since any further conscripted men will pale in comparison in terms of combat experience, equipment, training and even health. Looks like the NATO trained and equipped formations have been largely mangled im short order, such as the 47th you've mentioned so any large scale offensive actions should probably not be expected at leats for the near future. In other news, Russians re started their offensive actions around Bakhmut, they've captured Khromove in a few hours.

>>59512 >but they had to go full retard over some yokels Retarded indeed, none of this would be happening if Khrushchev finished off Banderites instead of making pardons.

>>59480 >I don't see how they would take Kahrkov with their current numbers and battlefield situation. The only way I realistically see it without a sizable mobilization of Russians is if UAF and Ukrainan goverment simply disintegrate under the attrition and unrest. And troubles with logistics. NATO supplies are drying up. Once they have no ammunition to actually fight a war, the rest is mop-up: envelopment and/or pinpoint strikes at barrier troops when identified, followed by mass surrender. And yes, the Kiev junta is politically fragile. Once NATO is neither seen as a serious help, nor threat, a coup is only deterred by being complicit in too much unpalatable stuff. But then, do they expect the Kremlins to actually care about this? >>59487 > My thoughts are along the same lines. Russian army wasn't actually defeated on the battlefield proper in WW1 but rather Russian goverment imploded due to the absolutely fucked goverment and revolutionary movements. Mostly it just intolerably sucked on strategical level and logistics. When even Brusilov’s breakthrough resulted only in snatching a failure from the jaws of victory, no one with eyes and ears had anything to hope for. With government discredited as much as humanly possible, it was up for grabs. But also, its internal security was feeble, counterproductive and openly mocked. >>59487 >as split between Zaluzhny and Zelenski seem to grow Zelenski is a puppet whose uselessness is increasingly complete and obvious. Considering the junta had to suppress opposition non-stop, it probably holds mostly due to MAD situation between AFU and SBU. >>59493 >Budanovs (chief ukro spook) wife was assasinated, at least according to rumors. Factions, factions everywhere.

Henry Kissinger is dead.

>>59569 Nice, another dead kike.

Description says it's filmed somewhere in Donetsk. Hm, what is file limit on cafe? I thought it was 32Mb is it not? https://files.catbox.moe/yr9pb4.webm

>>59576 What's the morale like among Russians? at what point is the war not worth it in their eyes? they're the aggressors after all even if somewhat justified all that geopolitical talk must go over the heads of the average Russian conscript. So in their eyes why is it worth the threat of being blown up in a muddy, wet and cold trench? at least Ukrainians have good old defend the homeland

>>59581 Russians are a very fatalistic bunch in general from what I've heard, and if that is the case most of the conscripts probably have a "fuck it I'm on this ride and have zero control over it" outlook on the situation.

I need videos of women dying for their country.

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>>59588 >Starts socializing outside of her goblin hole >Gets droned Heh. You know I've come full circle to the Russian orcs jokes after remembering that Orcs usually rule over Goblins in D&D.

>>59588 Same. I've worked with women before and I have to admit seeing them blown to shit by drones is kind of funny. She was probably asking for a period diaper or how her make up looked when the drone went off. I guess things must be really bad for them to send women to the front lines. Where exactly was this footage taken from?

>>59595 >Where exactly was this footage taken from? In Ukriane.

>>59559 >muh Ukie implosion Hoping the leader of your enemy's country to just get deposed is as laughable as the (((West))) hoping the Putin will just keel over dead soon. It's wishful thinking at best, and fantasy at worst. You know damn well how good the Jews are at staying alive if it's not threatened directly, Zelenskky won't stepping out of office as long as he can get all the credit for the 'defense' of Ukraine.

Zelensky ordered the Ukrainians to go on the defence and establish new defensive lines behind the current ones. And it looks like there might be some withdrawals in Marinka and around Bakhmut to better defensive position.

>>59415 Without the miscegenation that came with colonisation, they were literal paleolithic fauna. Seriously. The empire's representatives, who had dealt previously with thousands of other cultures and tribes, including the darkest parts of Africa, did not recognise them as being meaningfully human, and I don't think they were wrong about that.

>>59610 >there might be some withdrawals in Marinka They already fled the city. Following Russian reports, they haven't even witnessed troop withdrawals while monitoring the area 24/7 suggesting almost everyone in Marinka is dead. De-mining operations began a couple days ago IIRC.

>>59415 >Abbos >State You'd have a better time arguing the ancient Somalis since at least their non-government "state" lasted 1000+ years and consisted of a set of customs and rules that could be interpreted as a state expanding beyond individual tribal policies. Tribal "states" can't really be called that when they consist of following tribal policies and murderhoboing people you don't like. >>59612 This. People like to joke about certain groups like featherniggers being fauna, but purebred Abbos were literally dumber than your average gorilla (about 40-60 IQ for pre-"ain't not Shielas gimme an Abbo I'm desperate" average Abbo vs about 60-80IQ for your average gorilla), they just had the musculoskeletal framework to use tools whereas most apes have physical limitations to doing so. Breeding with humans as a missing link species of Homo allowed for abnormalities in skull development to put modern racemixed Abbos within the realm of intelligent individuals, but the original natives only had the advantage of firemaking over that of natural wildlife. The niggest niggers of Africa were more civilized as an existence back then. Don't bully the modern Abbos though. Some of them might huff petrol while laying in the road all day, but most of them are cool dudes who will teach you how to hunt monitor lizard and sea turtles in exchange for some money/grub/drugs and they'll teach you about rock paintings and shiiet.

>>59615 >about 60-80IQ for your average gorilla Gonna need a citation on that.

>>59619 Koko the gorilla tested at 70-90 on infant IQ scales, and she was considered exceptional. Through the media's game of Chinese telephone, the infant part usually gets dropped, and sometimes (like here) it's gone from one exceptional captive gorilla to an average.