>Can you rehash the post?
It was quite the long-winded post and right now i am in a hassle but i won't waste your time in suspense, the spoiler was that it seems the notorious spaniard and french conversations regarding penfriend aliens in the 60's are explicitly
connected to the Voronezh Incident in 1989 and its forgotten sequel in Ayaguz, Kazakh SSR a week later IIRC
via the very often ignored (in the west) detail regarding the emblem in both the vehicle and its occupants' skins.
Back in the 60's the whole thing with the Ummo Society was seen as obscure, a bunch of intellectuals saying they were receiving puzzling mails sealed with a particular logo, yet out of nowhere 20 years later in a Soviet city a couple dozen witnesses report the same emblem in a thing carrying 3 things that did a forced magic show on a couple of kids in front of a scared crowd.
And oh shit, found a notepad file with the old ideas and pictures so might as well try to recreate it, but if i don't come back after being entertained with something else at least you know the gist of it.
>That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon
After all a bunch of the glowfags do believe they are working with "something else above" due to heavy compartmentalization and psyops carried on themselves, they do believe the lie. Also not saying it's not real, i do heavily believe people saw and still see strange shit in the sky and innawoods but i don't know what it is, i've read and heard so many stories, theories and the "coincidences" that i don't know what to believe in terms of an all-encompassing goal, i just end up believing there's certain ideas around because they are around, then i believe some of them, very few, are real and
then i very rarely believe some of them are due to "something" like a complex theory or a misunderstanding.
Basically the best way to see it IMO is to spectate, get most of the info possible and just let it hang in there until something makes sense with all the info rather than some amateurs trying to headcanon an entire plan and narrative without even knowing all the facts and events regarding the phenomenon, but of course playing with ideas is always fun. That's why i dislike Gruschfags (not you or that one anon at all that post him, you/him/they are informing us of some events related and it's appreciated), the other fags are trying to do a Q 2.0 with shit we already knew while ignoring the other famous cases that are as relevant, it feels like a streamlined integral theory in implied form for boomers and the uninitiated. I like to believe but after much surface-level reads over the years i feel it's almost everything a scam yet there's few cases that are extremely puzzling due to evidence and those justify the entire thing.
>Not to mention the mass events like the phoenix lights
That is a classic example of misdirection against the masses, i knew and talked with three direct "witnesses" (one didn't see but heard the radio chatter) of that and they told me the well-known story is a scam, the real heavy shit was in the sunset when a massively giant shit flew slowly from Nevada and continued south, the lights hovering at the center of the urban area at night was something that happened later and was quite small in scale with the previous thing that made everyone shit their pants.
>competency needed to keep such a project alive and secret
I mean there were supposed whistleblowers out there but their tales are too tall to wrap our collective heads around it, let alone that if they were real they were known for falling into the psyop trap via bioluminescent informers and gangstalking. I want to remember the names of some but i rather write that Ummo thing, i only remember Lazar and i am wary of him, i do not like his demeanor nor his flipflopping info over the years.
Also we might as well play with the idea of a group so specialized in those secret government works that they might be considered a small breakaway social group isolated from the world and who carry their own tech ways underground while supplied with things via black project money. Scribe monks in both Charlemagne and Vatican eras practically did that despite having their initial years of being normal civilians, a bunch of scientists working in secret tech shit with practically unlimited funds while "forced" to get offspring who are then trained to be scientists working on high tech shit is far-fetched but technically very possible; we still haven't talked about aliens but humans living in cult-like conditions with their doctrine being pushing their knowledge forward, the only problem with this playful theory is the idea of their own free time and entertainment, what could they teach them to get them stay in those conditions? even elite Aum Shinrikyo enforcers liked their video games and pachinko and surely someone will want to explore "outside".
>I hope recent events start bringing some of those old guys back into the fray.
I think that kind of fellow is very jaded towards the whole thing by now, i was too at some point and wasn't even one of them as i started casually checking about this since the early 00's.