>>54151 >>54174 They gonna Blue Beam us all.

>>54151 >G: These things exist >J: Proofs? >G: Can't show them due to reasons >J: OK but you did bear witness to them right? >G: Wrong, i didn't see any but i know they exist That but for 2 hours, another confirmation anyone who uses UAP and thinks the gov will allow someone in the know to leak things is either a glow or a retard. Also this whole thing is a circus excuse to explain why some departments are using too much money, they are investigating extraterrestial gear and totally not using it for personal wealth or funneling to wet works in other parts of the world. I believe there's stuff out there but i don't believe the story told by Ronald McDonald

>>54174 Whistleblower protections are a recent thing. I also think there's slapfighting going on between the feds on how to handle this. You're talking about the idea of rogue elements within the government/military-industrial complex who have been going behind the backs of the people who are supposed to be overseeing them, and government people hate not having control. It helps that the people who set the Cold-War-era coverups in motion are dead now. >>54175 No, but they might either use this as an excuse for either more globalism (if they can paint the aliens as good guys) or more military spending to fight the evil aliens (if they can paint the aliens as bad guys). As of right now, the government's friends in the media aren't doing a good job of capitalizing on this if it's part of their agenda though. >>54176 What should he do? Go full Snowden? He's taking the legal route. I do think he's wrong about the 1933 Italian incident. I think that's bogus, just like the supposed Trinity incident Jacques Vallee has been promoting. We're just going to have to wait and see if he's right or if he's just repeating UFO lore. Ross Coulthart claimed recently that everything is going to be resolved in the next few months.

>>54179 >What should he do? Throw everything in a single go, he knows the gov won't make him go far IF it was actually true or real. >Go full Snowden? Yeah, the end result is the same if what he says is of real concern >I think that's bogus That's the only thing i believe him but not it being an alien thing but a high-altitude french aircraft >We're just going to have to wait and see Always happens and we end with nothing of importance, i think he's a stooge who was compartmentalized enough to see real hardcore stuff but not enough to see its real origin so they (as in his superiors and counterglow glows) played him like a fiddle with the stories, same happened to those civilian whistleblowers of the 80's and 90's who suspected something and some glows fed them tall tales related to their musings. Even intelligence agents are conned by other intelligence agencies so no one knows exactly what is going on, old KGB trick. There's some very specific UFO lore that i find puzzling due to appearing in seemingly unrelated events and would drive my attention if repeated but what americans are showing us are obscure forms and stuff not even tough UFO enthusiasts knew, the flying propane cylinders and the explicit warning that there's a giant non-propane crashed UFO under a famous world-famous landmark but still making us guess because "security" is too silly, old cripple Schneider at least had real gear subject for testing by anyone who wanted and his own death consequence of someone not allowed testing that gear to prove a point but these fellas all seem like grifters who want to sell a book or a tour. The next step for actual disclosure is not U.S. gov actions but a Bigfoot-tier video or something found by a party not scared to get bumped off, unless an extremely obvious event happens but i would still doubt it due to Blue Beam agenda thing. I am surprised how skeptical i have become to be fair, very little actual info out there but some are undeniable.

>>54151 You know the US government periodically hints at having "advanced alien technology" every time they feel a nuclear threat emerging because Stalin made it Soviet policy (later expanding to all other Communist countries) to spout the "humans descended from ancient ayyliens" line as their version of creationism in schools, right? The soviets wanted to get at the Christians by denying God created the universe so the Americans developed an entire PsyOp campaign to claim they had ayylien technology from this mythological commie extraterrestrial species. Friendly reminder that it's ALWAYS either the military hiding unannounced spy craft/next gen aircraft via PsyOps, attempts to spook American enemies into thinking the Americans have ayylien technology (PsyOps), or something mundane like fucking ducks being labeled a UFO because they "couldn't confirm they were ducks."

>>54151 WoW is fucking nothing.

>>54182 >>54181 I have a hard time believing that any aliens would have human compatible or scavengable tech at all. It seems like it would be somewhere on the Roadside Picnic gradient wouldn't it? Like on the near side it would be recognizable in form or function but completely impenetrable to study (like machines being made completely monolithic and "just working", like being made from Necron necrodermis or something), and on the far end completely unfathomable. As in you might not even be able to recognize that it is a device or even be able to perceive it at all.

>>54214 >unquantifiable Reminds me of something a guy on a podcast said once, a ton of ufo sightings info is completely ignored and covered up by ufo investigators themselves as it is "too outrageous" for them to believe. I recall mentioning a report of some guy seeing a space craft parked right outside a restaurant parking lot during a massive ufo in the skies event, only for it to get buried since it was too crazy. Who knows how many real accounts of corresponding reports might be gone for good due to investigator dissonance as much as fed burial. We really have no clue what these things really are, or act like.

>>54221 I mean if you wanted to be on an alien away team or on a space boonies vacation or something just head to Burning Man or hang out with druggies or loner alcoholics. No body's going to believe them anyway.

>>51643 So, I was so amused this time when I saw that first pic, that I fed the text a local install of stable diffusion using a midjourney-clone checkpoint. Later, I asked it to show me a balding old man explaining the difference between an AR-15 and an AK-47 to a field of unguligrade bovines. Clearly, AI understand the AK platform about as well as it understands how 'centaurs' work - that's basically just a horse with a deformed person riding him right? An AK is an ugly AR, and there you go. Makes me wonder how many of the nightly-news anchors either are AI, or just ask a computer to explain this crap to them because they don't understand why the shoulder-thing is a joke that goes up every time now.

>>54532 I also tried AI-genning some wendigo-type things a while back. But my motivation was completely different.

>>54535 Wendy Go, the cutest girl in the woods. >fortune cookie You're a naughty pervert anon kun.

There is a relationship between extra-reality beings and electromagnetic radiation. You rarely see them or cryptids in populated urban areas and I assumed this was due to the crowds of people and EMR but visiting a graveyard I know for certain is haunted I couldn't get any signal inside it despite it being surrounded by houses and downtown a couple blocks away so I don't know what the relationship is now. Do ghosts generate "EMR", disturb it, are actually deterred by it, a parallel or similar forcefield that doesn't have a simple explanation? Electricity is the one science I've seen correlate to paranormal activity, see lightning balls too. I also noticed that ghosts seem to fade off or disappear when you change the environment they reside in like remodeling a house. Here's these on sasquatches by the way.

>>55312 >sasquatches Have you got any more, including other hairy hominids (yeren, oreng pendek, yowie, woodwose/european wild man, Mogollon monster, Fouke monster, etc.)

>>55312 >electricity >fade away when changing the environment I already posted my theory about it being mostly egregores manipulating electrons due to them being manifested by way of quantum coincidence. Eg, the spin of electrons is fixed for x amount of electrons in x amount of time for x type of chaos theory synergy, all completely plausible individually but impossibly coincidental when taken together, then boom you have "paranormal" electromagnetic activity. This can apply to everything, weird wind/pressure feeling like someone pushed, anomalies in cameras both artificial and organic (eyes) forming large clusters that look like ghosts/cryptids, sound vibrations amplifying off each other in such a way to make a sound that is identical to a voice. Nothing is truly paranormal other than the unrecognized memetic ability for the collective unconscious to create quantum egregores with impossible coincidences. That explains why spirits and such have a hard to manifesting in light/with multiple people/cameras, as well as why memetic activity like renovating an environment *can* influence them. Though I don't believe all paranormal creature can be drawn into this camp, it does explain away ghosts and the wild variation and inconsistency in ufo and cryptid description, as not only are humans trolling us with fake shit, but the collective unconscious is literally making fake memetic phenomenon as well.

Is anyone familiar with the theory that Bigfoot (and related creatures) aren't actually real per se but instead are a bit of strongly in built pareidolia caused because our ancestors were preyed upon by a stronger and more hostile hominid predator? Sort of like how pronghorn antelope are described as trying to outrun the genetic "ghosts" of extinct predators.

>>55366 https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo3620573.html >Pronghorn antelope are the fastest runners in North America, clocked at speeds of up to 100 kilometers per hour. Yet none of their current predators can come close to running this fast. Pronghorn also gather in groups, a behavior commonly viewed as a “safety in numbers” defense. But again, none of their living predators are fearsome enough to merit such a response. >In this elegantly written book, John A. Byers argues that these mystifying behaviors evolved in response to the dangerous predators with whom pronghorn shared their grassland home for nearly four million years: among them fleet hyenas, lions, and cheetahs. Although these predators died out ten thousand years ago, pronghorn still behave as if they were present—as if they were living with the ghosts of predators past. >Byers’s provocative hypothesis will stimulate behavioral ecologists and mammalogists to consider whether other species’ adaptations are also haunted by selective pressures from predators past. The book will also find a ready audience among evolutionary biologists and paleontologists. I can see merit in the idea that the uncanny valley effect exists to help us compete with other hominids, and there have been at least one case where such old myths might be born from the memory of other hominids: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebu_gogo >The Ebu Gogo folklore has gained public attention with the discovery of Homo floresiensis, an extinct hominid species that inhabited Flores until c. 50,000 years ago. The ethnologist Gregory Forth (2008) has suggested that tales about Ebu Gogo and similar figures in the folklore of Indonesia such as the Orang Pendek are based on the memory of actual encounters between modern humans and Homo floresiensis.[7] This proposal has little mainstream support, especially after the dating of the extinction of Homo floresiensis which initially was assumed to have occurred at c. 12,000 BP was revised to 50,000 BP. The problem with all these North American cryptids is that there is simply no evidence of even an extinct ape in that area, and the myths are also not directly from Europe, because if that was the case then Britons would also tell stories about strange men living in the hills. And no, fairies and goblins and whatnot are not the same as a bigfoot.

Are military helicopters with advanced noise cancellation something to be concerned about? Still can't explain that soundless CH-47(?) with too many navigation lights I witnessed 15 years ago during an evening stroll passing by at >1km distance and ~200m altitude without any of the associated helicopter noises Chinooks usually emit. Was this the usual top sekrit glowniggery one can expect from natto or did I stumble upon some bored lmaos testing a skin for their climate-neutral saucer but forgot to turn on the noise emulator? This talk of possible actual UFO sightings being dismissed by witnesses for being too implausible makes me wonder if the opposite may be true as well and extraterrestial/dimensional entities may be hiding in plain sight there has to be some explanation for why no one's cracked Intel's ME/AMD's PSP and used the obtained backdoor admin access to pump any writeable block devices full with goatse on any post-2013 Intel/AMD computer connected to the Intarwebs.

>>55388 >aliens hiding in plain sight That's kind of interesting to think about. Honestly haven't given it much thought. Machines would be easy to disguise. I'm not sure about the aliens themselves though. Unless near space is full of Star Trek aliens one would expect ET to dramatically variant body plans from humans or even other animals. No one really knows of course. >>55380 >the uncanny valley effect exists to help us compete with other hominids I think that uncanny valley is triggered because of something in our past that looked almost but not quite human is better than the conventional rationale for it. Whether other hominids or something else.

>>55312 l've read rumors about UFO activity occurring predictably along magnetic fields and aliens getting entrapped by government personnel who were expecting them to show up. I have no source for that claim though. >>55366 Are those pictures really supposed to represent Neanderthals?

>>55393 >Are those pictures really supposed to represent Neanderthals? Yeah. It's from a book called Them and Us that posits that Neanderthals weren't harmless >berrypickers but were instead hyperpredatory "wolves with knives" that competed against and even preyed upon early H. sapiens, both nutritionally and sexually.

There's a new Groosch interview out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRO5jOa06Qw This time it's much more casual in tone. >>55398 Where does he get the idea that they looked so gorilla-like?

>>55411 Well as far as the big eyes go I think it was because he envisioned them as night time hunters. The rest I'm not sure. I've only read excerpts and that was years ago.

>>55366 I've heard of it. Sure seems retarded though if you stop to think about it for 2 seconds. Hallucinations don't leave footprints or show up on film. It's a lazy theory invented to shelter someone's materialist paradigm while acknowledging the overwhelming number of witness accounts of a paranormal phenomenon.

>>55451 Well I don't necessarily agree with it but I did think it was at least a novel hypothesis. And I DO think there is merit to the "predator of humans" hypothesis at the core of that book. Just maybe not when it comes to simply being an extinct hominid. My current personal working theory about the various 'squatches all over the globe is that they are a either relict populations of hairy races/subspecies of modern humans, or that they are throwbacks of sort that have left that spin off of modern humans from time to time and make local populations. I'm not exactly married to that theory but I think it's an interesting toy theory to work from. Also somewhat related to that, have you ever heard of the legends of hairy anchorites?

Bring out the popcorn strelo/k/s, this is gonna be good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJKLP5hcuQ

This should work as an alternative: https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive/ or https://youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg&t=0

Shows over, here is the Nasa final report and the public hearing for any who missed it: https://science.nasa.gov/science-pink/s3fs-public/atoms/files/UAP%20Independent%20Study%20Team%20-%20Final%20Report_0.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwU6V5GFaQA

Can Sasquatches willfully interact with spirits/ghosts/egregores, and in the absence of technology perhaps seek aid from them to remain hidden?

>>55485 This is only tangentially related, but have you heard of the Ape Canyon encounter? http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/beck.htm Fred Beck was one of the guys involved who was there when the incident was supposed to have occurred, and he claimed he was in psychic communication with a "spiritual being" in the form of an Indian beforehand. Of course he released this book decades later, but if it's true I'd say they have some interaction.

>>55482 >Fucking NASA admits UAPs/UFOs are real >Provides actual examples >Thinks they are interdimensional >Wants to kick-start development on free open-source phone apps to record UFO activity on all smartphones >all in order to get good models for machine learning ai to find fuckton more UFO's from old satellite data/footage >biggest UFO news since project Blue Book >/xk/... not even crickets LMAO

>>55490 doesnt nasa/the US government admit UFO's are real every other week at this rate?

>>55485 I've wondered about that.

>>55490 I normally don't pay much attention to NASA.

>>55490 >Fucking NASA admits UAPs/UFOs are real >Provides actual examples >Thinks they are interdimensional Wait did they actually say this? I didn't watch the streams at all.

>>55490 >MASA admits UAPs/UFOs are real Yeah it's called "thing we can't identify in the sky." Ducks have been labeled UFOs rather frequently. >Provides actual examples That look like the silhouettes of military aviation. >Wants to kick-start development on free open-source phone apps to record UFO activity on all smartphones It's a spy app thinly disguised as a UFO app. >all in order to get good models for machine learning ai to find fuckton more UFO's from old satellite data/footage So they can figure out what military aviation vehicles are in the backgrounds of their old satellite data/footage >/xk/... not even crickets UFOs aren't real. They are real in the literal "here is a thing and we don't know what it is" sense, but it's all a bunch of cockaninny bullshit in the ayylien sense. Have some boobs and aliens to distract your PopSci ass.

>>55497 From the white paper: >Before we can apply the scientific method to understanding an unusual phenomenon, the relevant data must first meet standards for data-driven approaches. Many such standards have been codified over time, including the FAIR data principle—an acronym for Findability, Accessibility, Interoperability, and Reusability >We followed these and other similar principles when reviewing the current status of data on UAP, and that analysis led to the findings and recommendations in this report. >UAP data are rarely, if ever, collected in a concerted effort to understand the phenomenon; they are usually coincidental observations. Often, observations of UAP are made using instruments or sensors that have not been designed or calibrated to detect anomalous objects, and to constrain their movement parameters. Metadata (meaning sensor type, manufacturer, noise characteristics, time of acquisition, instrument sensitivity, information about the data storage such as bit-depth, location of the sensor, conditions of the sensor such as temperature, exposure characteristics, and so on) are often absent, making calibration and a thorough understanding of context difficult. So, there is correspondingly limited information associated with many of the unresolved UAP reports—even if several reports are accompanied by photographic or videographic evidence. >As a result, existing observations are neither optimized for studying UAP nor are they suited for a systematic scientific analysis. >In addition, much of the data collected by military sensors or intelligence satellites are classified—often because of what the imagery could reveal about U.S. technical capabilities to our adversaries, and not because of what is actually in the images. While essential for security, these classified observations enhance the sense of mystery and conspiracy surrounding UAP, and they present an obstacle to scientific inquiry. >For many events, the data and metadata did not enable a conclusive characterization of the size, motion, or nature of the UAP. Yet, where it did, such as in the “GoFast” UAP video, the apparent anomalous behavior of the UAP can often be explained by the motion of the sensor platform tl;dr- NASA equipment is designed to eliminate anomalies as irrelevant data, so they are left unable to prove or disprove whatever the hell UAPs are in any given scenario. Military hardware is an open secret so the military can't disclose the nature of images to protect their hardware rather than out of some cover-up about the contents of any given image or video. In response they're hiring a guy to develop some algorithms to decode some of this bullshit so they can tell you "yes that is a flock of ducks" rather than "we're pretty sure it's a flock of ducks, but we can't confirm it therefore UAP." I'm sure this has nothing at all to do with the fact that the US has a propaganda department dedicated to making the Russians think we have advanced ayylien technology, and I'm sure NASA totally isn't just going to use this data to trick dumb shits in foreign countries into handing over information about foreign spy planes to the USA under the guise of "UFOs."

>>55498 >but it's all a bunch of cockaninny bullshit in the ayylien sense Some form of non-human intelligence being involved is a logical conclusion to come to given the nature of many of the sightings. The technology involved goes well beyond anything currently known. When the Washington, D.C. incident happened in 1952, the feds were spooked because they had no idea what could be behind it. And if the glowniggers are faking the phenomenon as a whole, then it would have to be the biggest conspiracy in history.

>>55500 >Some form of non-human intelligence being involved is a logical conclusion to come to given the nature of many of the sightings. Of the sightings I've seen, the logical conclusion is "someone fucking with the camera with a 15 degree angle," ducks/geese, or something that is completely human in design. The Earth has plenty of natural structures that seem like they should have been made by something. People want to see ayyliens in everything for the same reason they want to see god in everything, and we have more documented evidence for the existence of god than we do for ayyliens. The Yonaguni monument is certainly non-human, but there's no "intelligence" behind it; it's a natural structure.

>>55490 >NASA anything I will be keeping my popcorn dear sir, Grusch is the final nail for me in terms of whistleblowing because the guy didn't provide anything at all but noise and facts most old school yufoo enthusiasts knew since the 90's. I am infinitely more inclined to believe shit released in the public via obscure VHS targeted at Trekkies, like the actual ORCON-tagged, Navy-revealing video of either a highly advanced animatronic made by some amateurs not even Hollywood could pull back in the day or an actual physical entity being enclosed in a dark room. >>55500 >if the glowniggers are faking the phenomenon, then it would have to be the biggest conspiracy in history. I mean we are in an era where the Holocaust narrative has been successfully pulled and changed the western political world as we know it, anything goes at this point. Also WWII was an exponential leap forward in some stuff, namely the nuclear bomb/nuclear energy so an anti-gravity/friction-cancelling form of shielding and propulsion can be thought as plausible, going more outlandish like some US scientists cultured in the esoteric suggested in that one memo it might also be one of the factions in the war being able to communicate with other entities in a different dimension, or like they punctually said "the Talas & Lokas dimensions" referenced in the Pajeet Epics, and "them" coming around to check us out with a physical form compatible here... aka a long-winded way to say "inter-dimensional" I now remember a post i tried to write a while ago about a coincidence i found puzzling between 2 sightings/controversies that i found very odd that seemingly nobody pointed out in the mainstream web, i always feel those old school yufoo guys went silent way too abruptly because there's tons of info and ideas i no longer see in the web since a decade ago.

>>55503 >we live in the era where the Holocaust narrative Yeah, but that was 90% because the narrative itself was started by the paranoid jews in the camps themselves, which was why there was such uniformity with the jews persisting the lie, most of them truly believed it. I realized this a long time ago watching schindler's list for the first time with the scene with the jews in the cars talking about how they might kill them all and saying "it would never happen" as a consensus, despite irl experience in jew neurotic paranoia telling me the exact opposite would happen. And it did, all the mass graves, the gas rooms, the swimming pools of death, the crazy bullshit they all talked about, for them it was all real but they were all just the lucky ones. That's why most people can't wrap their heads around the holocaust being fake, because how could they fake all that? Its because initially it wasn't, a golden opportunity arose from fear and paranoia making it real in their minds, letting powerful jews use it to manhandle the US and especially the USSR to take the narrative to 6 million in order to over-fund Israel and give the jews more victim power than any cries of anti-semitism before could ever imagine. That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon reported by thousands of experienced members of every branch of life from politics to aviation to scientists, even weather balloon technicians. Not to mention the mass events like the phoenix lights or the Washington DC event. The technology gap needed, and the funding and competency needed to keep such a project alive and secret, with shit like the CIA's track record in comparison is just comical. It might not be aliens, but some kind of unknown phenomenon is out there and its not the government. >I remember a post I tried to write a while ago about a coincidence I found puzzling between 2 sightings/controversies Can you rehash the post? I'm interested in what you were talking about. >I always feel those old school yufoo guys went silent way too abruptly Me too, you'd think they would have a hell of a time today with NASA trying to work with people like them in open-source programs in order to identify this stuff. But honestly it was probably the rise of easy cgi making extremely believable and mass produced fakes that clogged up the whole hobby with kids looking for attention rather than real investigation into what was going on. I hope recent events start bringing some of those old guys back into the fray.

>UFOs aren't real Ok, here we go >That look like the silhouettes of military aviation Hmm, what military aviation could pic related be then? Some secret iranian retro-50's drone? >so they can figure out what military aviation vehicles are in the background of their old satellite data/footage What?! How are they not doing that already with massive amounts of data for top-tier modelling of any enemy aircraft? They already have the keys to finding any actively know aircraft in older footage, why need so much new data on something so totally different from military aircraft? >It's a spy app thinly disguised as a UFO app But why? Why would nasa spent so much time and money in doing the job NSA is doing, with OPEN-SOURCE APPS. Its just idiotic, you'd have to short through 99.999% garbage data just to maybe find some super secret chinese/russian aircraft with no assistance by ai since they would have no idea what to look for. I mean honestly the only reason for the government to release a UFO spy app would be if their own aircraft sensor ability was so outdated and terrible any old spy craft could get through its defenses, like some kind of spy balloon.. and its military aviation industry was so corrupt and inefficient they couldn't afford to fund the massive upgrades in a realistic timeframe, or guarantee said upgrades to actually work... so they would try hyping up ufo stuff in the media as much as possible to make people look in the sky for stuff to record with their app as a duct-tape cost effective short-term solution... while masquerading it as ufo spotting to not completely destroy their reputation.... -_- ok il give you this one

>>55513 >That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon reported by thousands of experienced members of every branch of life from politics to aviation to scientists, even weather balloon technicians. I think religion offers better explanations for phenomena than aliens, which were invented by the USSR to combat Christianity.

Forgot to tag >>55498 in >>55515

>>55515 >Ok, here we go >Pic Yeah I saw that and was unimpressed since it could be as simple as a graphical error. In the interest of being fair I looked up the original video and because the military hid information such as altitude and view distanc, there's nothing to really say since the video is from a reaper drone with a tiny optical radius. It could be a drone out-of-focus because of distance or really just about anything. That's why it's "unidentified." These are the same surveillance drones that are infamous for picking up ducks over bodies of water as "strange hovering vehicles." >How are they not doing that already with massive amounts of data for top-tier modelling of any enemy aircraft? You would be amazed at the inefficiency of the government when it comes to research. If it's not in-line with exactly what they want, the research gets canned even if it could prove useful. There is a reason the government is simultaneously incompetent and overly competent- they can direct funding really well to get next-gen results, but they get tunnel vision very easily. >They already have the keys to finding any actively know aircraft in older footage [Citation needed] >But why? Why would nasa spent so much time and money in doing the job NSA is doing, MASA spends more time tracking weather balloons than they do doing their jobs. Hate to break it to you, but they haven't been the space organization you want them to be since the 90s, arguably the 70s. >with OPEN-SOURCE APPS. Open-source means many different things. You can have an "open source" app that passes through a black-box server to function. You can have proprietary forks of open source baseline software. Without looking at the process from start-to-finish something being open-source is as meaningless of a statement as something being "100% pure X." >I mean honestly the only reason for the government to release a UFO spy app would be- Because crowdsourcing has been proven very effective and there's enough UFO conspiracy nutjobs out there watching the night skies anyways that you might as well put them to work for free if they are willing to do the work. Same reason botnets can be more effective than supercomputers when you just need to run long complex calculations. You are correct that military tech is outdated though. The best analogy I've found is that the military have a sports car's engine but it's from 30 years ago. It's still impressive, but most economy engines (other country's militaries) can keep up with it and do the day-to-day highway jobs (conquer a country) so it's not as impressive as it could be.

>>55513 >Can you rehash the post? It was quite the long-winded post and right now i am in a hassle but i won't waste your time in suspense, the spoiler was that it seems the notorious spaniard and french conversations regarding penfriend aliens in the 60's are explicitly connected to the Voronezh Incident in 1989 and its forgotten sequel in Ayaguz, Kazakh SSR a week later IIRC via the very often ignored (in the west) detail regarding the emblem in both the vehicle and its occupants' skins. Back in the 60's the whole thing with the Ummo Society was seen as obscure, a bunch of intellectuals saying they were receiving puzzling mails sealed with a particular logo, yet out of nowhere 20 years later in a Soviet city a couple dozen witnesses report the same emblem in a thing carrying 3 things that did a forced magic show on a couple of kids in front of a scared crowd. And oh shit, found a notepad file with the old ideas and pictures so might as well try to recreate it, but if i don't come back after being entertained with something else at least you know the gist of it. >That is miles away from faking an entire host of unexplained phenomenon After all a bunch of the glowfags do believe they are working with "something else above" due to heavy compartmentalization and psyops carried on themselves, they do believe the lie. Also not saying it's not real, i do heavily believe people saw and still see strange shit in the sky and innawoods but i don't know what it is, i've read and heard so many stories, theories and the "coincidences" that i don't know what to believe in terms of an all-encompassing goal, i just end up believing there's certain ideas around because they are around, then i believe some of them, very few, are real and then i very rarely believe some of them are due to "something" like a complex theory or a misunderstanding. Basically the best way to see it IMO is to spectate, get most of the info possible and just let it hang in there until something makes sense with all the info rather than some amateurs trying to headcanon an entire plan and narrative without even knowing all the facts and events regarding the phenomenon, but of course playing with ideas is always fun. That's why i dislike Gruschfags (not you or that one anon at all that post him, you/him/they are informing us of some events related and it's appreciated), the other fags are trying to do a Q 2.0 with shit we already knew while ignoring the other famous cases that are as relevant, it feels like a streamlined integral theory in implied form for boomers and the uninitiated. I like to believe but after much surface-level reads over the years i feel it's almost everything a scam yet there's few cases that are extremely puzzling due to evidence and those justify the entire thing. >Not to mention the mass events like the phoenix lights That is a classic example of misdirection against the masses, i knew and talked with three direct "witnesses" (one didn't see but heard the radio chatter) of that and they told me the well-known story is a scam, the real heavy shit was in the sunset when a massively giant shit flew slowly from Nevada and continued south, the lights hovering at the center of the urban area at night was something that happened later and was quite small in scale with the previous thing that made everyone shit their pants. >competency needed to keep such a project alive and secret I mean there were supposed whistleblowers out there but their tales are too tall to wrap our collective heads around it, let alone that if they were real they were known for falling into the psyop trap via bioluminescent informers and gangstalking. I want to remember the names of some but i rather write that Ummo thing, i only remember Lazar and i am wary of him, i do not like his demeanor nor his flipflopping info over the years. Also we might as well play with the idea of a group so specialized in those secret government works that they might be considered a small breakaway social group isolated from the world and who carry their own tech ways underground while supplied with things via black project money. Scribe monks in both Charlemagne and Vatican eras practically did that despite having their initial years of being normal civilians, a bunch of scientists working in secret tech shit with practically unlimited funds while "forced" to get offspring who are then trained to be scientists working on high tech shit is far-fetched but technically very possible; we still haven't talked about aliens but humans living in cult-like conditions with their doctrine being pushing their knowledge forward, the only problem with this playful theory is the idea of their own free time and entertainment, what could they teach them to get them stay in those conditions? even elite Aum Shinrikyo enforcers liked their video games and pachinko and surely someone will want to explore "outside". >I hope recent events start bringing some of those old guys back into the fray. I think that kind of fellow is very jaded towards the whole thing by now, i was too at some point and wasn't even one of them as i started casually checking about this since the early 00's.

>>55517 >aliens, which were invented by the pulp novel writers to combat protagonists and sometimes each other. *ftfy.

>>55527 The entire "theory" of mankind having an interaction with aliens that caused us to evolve 10,000 years ago was a propaganda piece created by Stalin and shoveled through the Soviet education system as "common knowledge" to erase creationism and weaken the church of Jesus Christ in the USSR, and had little (if anything) to do with SciFi writers of the 1910s-1940s, ftfy.

>>55490 Do you mean kick-start in the generic sense or are they actually using Kickstarter? >Hey fellow sci-fi fans, we're going to find aliens like in Star Trek! But we need your help to do it. You can support us on our Kickstarter page. Remember, only you can help us reach the final frontier. May the force be with you!

>>55517 >aliens, which were invented by the USSR to combat Christianity. lolwut The concept of aliens comes from long before the Soviets, even if you're sticking to a strictly extraterrestrial interpretation. Joseph Smith was said to believe in Quaker-like people living on the moon, and the Great Moon Hoax means that people were already considering the idea of extraterrestrial life. Giordano Bruno considered the idea of other planets harboring life hundreds of years earlier. The concept of cosmic pluralism goes all the way back to the Greeks, although they didn't have modern astronomical knowledge. And then, of course, there's all the folklore about fairies and the djinn and all that other stuff.