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Russia Vs. Ukraine 19 - 3 months down the drain edition Strelok 09/12/2022 (Mon) 09:50:59 No.40804
Link Dump: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/ https://web.telegram.org https://fotoforensics.com https://trashchan.xyz/finance/ https://yandex.ru/news Maps: https://mobile.twitter.com/Suriyakmaps https://militaryland.net/ukraine/deployment-map/ https://militaryland.net/tag/maps/ (Daily updates) https://liveuamap.com/ http://defensepoliticsasia.com/Ukraine/ https://militarymaps.info/ (requires Russian social media account and Russian payment processors) https://maphub.net/Cen4infoRes/russian-ukraine-monitor (Intentionally up to a week old) https://opermap.mash.ru/ (Russian propaganda map) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Russo-Ukrainian_War_detailed_map Channels: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRTq5KxoyKuquatzn2iF0Pg (Numbers and brief overviews of the day's news; no bullshit) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUnc496-PPmFZVKlYxUnToA ("Breaking news" Belarusian take on the war) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgGHiivhFq7M_1MLemh-cjg ("Breaking news" Singaporean take on the war) https://www.youtube.com/c/MilitaryandForeignAffairsNetwork (Military and foreign affairs network; slightly pro-Ukrainian and uses militaryland maps allowing him to cover more specific military groups and pockets at the cost of less breaking news) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP2QApi8G2TKc8NZmeDWSUg (Least biased "breaking news" Reddit "OSINT" take on the war) https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday (Patrick Lancaster reporting from Russian side) https://www.youtube.com/c/GrahamPhillipsUK (Graham Phillips less personal more professional reporting from the Russian side) https://www.youtube.com/c/AlexanderMercourisReal (Alexander Mercouris; Discusses the geopolitical issues of policies and their effects) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHqqf2BwNM4Oih-a_ikbWww (French Zoomer Historian/Comedian covering the war) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0EnYUt8dJUYcDgHUFG8vYA (Covers Economic matters in regard to Ukraine, updates on the frontlines, shorts, and other things; mild Russian bias) https://www.youtube.com/user/Itapirkanmaa2/videos (Z) https://www.youtube.com/c/UkraineCombatFootage/videos (counter-Z) https://www.youtube.com/c/DjukiSan/videos (Z2) https://www.youtube.com/c/RoadHomeMotorcycleVlogs (Ukrainian propaganda channel)
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>>41742 >call out Anglo-Saxon sabotage of NS2, their hegemony and double standards, western faggotry(literally) , western hypocrisy and categorically rejected their 'rules based order ' I want to hear this.
>>41762 So in a roundabout way he calls the Russian bluff regarding nukes. Except that the Russian stance seems to be that they don't want to nuke anyone if they can avoid it. I assume the main purpose of this statement is to keep the nuclear question in mind for propaganda purposes.
>>41764 The Kremlin releases English copies of all of Putin's speeches IIRC.
>>41764 >>41766 Supposedly this is the translation.
Here's the link actually. Note I have to be connected to a Slovak or Serbian VPN to access the website right now and it's impossible to access over mobile even with a VPN for some reason: http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/speeches
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>>41767 >that entire speech never ceases to amaze me how much putin loves to larp as the savior of the west and call everyone nazis, then cry about protecting the will of the people in the lands that they just occupied. with soldiers. and artillery. with a referendum where voting "no" will at best not be acknowledged, and at worse get you thrown in a ditch. he's just rhyming with history at this point, i guess i'm just in disbelief at how much it repeats itself.
>>41770 The Soviet Union ceased to exist over 30 years ago.
>>41774 yes, and?
>>41767 I don't disagree with his philosophy toward the West, but his kvetching that it's just like Goebbels and glorification of the Soviet Union display the Russian national obsession with historical loss comparable to that of Americans and victory. Before the Germans and West, it was the Japanese. Before the Japanese, it was the Mongols. Russia would "integrate" Ukrainian culture through genocide if it could annex the state and will likely do so to Belorussian/Ruthenian when the states inevitably unify if Russia is victorious. Further, China's Belt and Road is textbook colonialism yet is supported by Russia. I'm glad that Anti-Americanism has a place globally, but its champions being historical and national cuckolds, Russians and Chinese, is disappointing.
>>41770 You wrote that as if it's not what everyone thinks. Yes Putin is using rhetoric for propaganda purposes, so?
>>41749 >EU patch EUgh Still, it's probably in everyone's best interest if the gloves came off and accepted them already, even if Natto is absolutely going to bail on a full scale war in Ukraine as "uh oh sorry buster you haven't joined our cool club earlier, no article 5 for you for now" and only the rump state will remain. >>41752 How could Poutine even think of nuking those areas? Do you think the slavs who sacrificed themselves would accept it? This is no longer Stalinist Russia where you could cover up hundreds of thousands of bodies and no one would bat an eye, information flows much faster than censorship has any way of stopping it. >>41767 >Putin using Kiyv instead of Kiev Is he really that considerate or is it just the translator's botched attempt? >>41774 Transnistria still exists so, not really
>>41779 >Is he really that considerate or is it just the translator's botched attempt? The original source is right underneath that post. >Transnistria still exists so, not really And Denmark is still an empire because Greenland exists. Right.
>>41780 >saging a bumplocked thread
>>41781 he was just making sure
What's this "civilian convoy" the news is kvetching about? Nobody's saying what they were actually doing, with the reports only ever stressing that they were civilians headed for Russian-held territory.
>>41783 Probably as it says. I can't find the Russian report yet, but it sounds like a bunch of civilians started an unofficial convoy (with or without Ukrainian soldiers) and were preparing to drive back to Russian-held territory when they got shelled for being a large conglomeration of people in one spot heading towards the front lines. Ukraine is spinning it as a "gotcha" and no further information is currently available. It's war. This shit happens.
>>41731 >falling for the suitcase nuke meme Are you saying a suitcase-size bomb isn't technically feasible or the explosion wouldn't have enough effect? >create a nuclear apocalypse for a paycheck Got me thinking, in what currency could such a paycheck be collected? Fiat, equities, precious metals and all other 'virtual' stores of wealth lose most value instantly following a nuke. Guns+ammo/fuel/goats are impractical to deal with in those volumes. That leaves "power" and the satisfaction of knowing you've outdone your rivals? That is to say I largely agree with your conclusion. >>41738 >>41739 >>41741 Vladimir sign paper. >>41742 >>41749 Volodymyr also sign paper! to use in toilet >>41752 >metal gymnastics to make it make sense Rules/legalities/conventions only matter in so far as people respect and uphold them which requires a cool head, but once the hot heads prevail they'll just do as they will. >>41762 >Stoltenberg telling Hohols it's a-okay to liberate >>41765 >calls the Russian bluff regarding nukes >Russian stance seems to be that they don't want to nuke anyone >propaganda purposes >It's flappening status quo since cry me a river.
>>41768 >impossible to access over mobile even with a VPN for some reason >for some reason Most government .ru servers are likely blocking network traffic wholesale except from "friendly" nations, otherwise everything would be completely DDOS'd. >>41781 >>41782 It's the thought that counts.
In other news, Russians have been striking Ukrainian dams, so that hohols have been flooded recently.
>>41785 >Are you saying a suitcase-size bomb isn't technically feasible or the explosion wouldn't have enough effect? Do you have any idea how heavy uranium is, or how you achieve the critical mass needed for an explosion?
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>>41780 >And Denmark is still an empire because Greenland exists. Right. It's real in my heart >>41785 >the explosion wouldn't have enough effect This, especially since if it was really feasible, several countries would have already successfully attempted it. >Got me thinking, in what currency could such a paycheck be collected? Nuclear shelters and food stockpiles come to mind but as you said, only some kind of madlad would even think of that over living in a non irradiated wasteland.
>>41749 >asking lol this is like watching boomers yell about blood and trees at a gun rally then waiting for permission to do a revolution.
>>41768 I can access it just fine. I have my nitpicks (especially with biased historical references), but overall this was unbelievably based.
>>41797 Based on what?
>>41803 Chicken butt.
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>>41788 >Do you have any idea how heavy uranium is, or how you achieve the critical mass needed for an explosion? Critical mass is just under 25lbs, the Davy Crockett warhead was apparently 50lbs w/o any launcher/guidance accessories. Hardly a doomsday device but still after the smoke clears the chaos and panic would be over 9000 easily, not to mention the radioactive mess it leaves behind. To be fair "suitcase nuke" format per-se is a meme since the device has to be a sphere to 'assemble' the critical mass efficiently, so like a basketball-in-backpack type thing. >>41789 >if it was really feasible, several countries would have already successfully attempted it Highly debatable. It's a risky complex operation, and requires a lot of expertise. Norks or Iran could probably pull it off but they'd get wiped off the map in short order for that. Outfits crazy enough to YOLO it like HAMAS just don't have the capability. >>41804 >takes time to shitpost response >doesn't include Carlos reaction image Weak, Colombia. Weak.
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>>41806 >/k/ - Weapons >discusses suitcases nukes >no one shows any awareness of the SADM This board has been taken over by war tourists and the original userbase has abandoned it confirmed.
>>41807 >t. poser who had to look up wtf a Davey Crocket is on kikepedia, then clicked a link from the "See also" section
>>41807 Well that's not exactly a suitcase now is it? When most people say "suitcase nuke" they're talking about some conceptual bomb that you can literally walk around with in broad daylight without causing suspicion of any kind, not a 30 pound hunk of obvious.
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>>41812 Just put it inside a hiking backpack
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Update: From what I've gathered, looks like Russians managed to deblock Liman at Troskie, so garrison inside it has been ordered to retreat so it doesn't get encircled again. Liman will have to be abandoned by the Russians. UAF have entered the city from the western side, while RUAF will establish a new defensive positions further up north. No further information available. Down south, Kherson is more or less settled down. >>41807 Not only that, but there are even 152mm artillery shells, that have miniature tactical nukes in 2.5 kiloton range. Obviously 'suitcase nuke' is just a matter of speech, but its not that hard to imagine they would be able to scale down criticality cores and subsequent firing mechanism to roughly the same size. Gunbarrel type nukes are stupid simple,tho I don't know how well they scale. You can always do explosive lenses type if space is an issue. There's always a weight problem, given that uranium itself is denser than your average stelok. I'd say theoretically, today you can even go smaller than SADM while having a useful kiloton yield higher than that of your typical nuclear artillery shell. >>41812 >he doesn't do farmer walks at gym so one day he'll be able to carry suitcase nukes inconspicuously ngmi
>>41814 Well, that was somehow unceremonious. But am I feeling it correctly that the lines are slowly stabilizing by now?
>>41820 >But am I feeling it correctly that the lines are slowly stabilizing by now? We'll see. Now they say they're establishing new defensive position along Kremmina-Svatove-Borova, and first elements of newly mobilized forces have started to pour in. So it's now or never for the Russians to stabilize the line.
>>41814 Gun type nukes are inefficient in space and how much fissile material you need. They need over a critical mass to work and generally lead to lower yields than explosively compressing a core. Small nukes are designed to fissile so the yield isn't an issue there but the cost and size is. These small nukes are mostly designed to irradiate an area instead of destroy it through blast. You could easily get a city evacuated for safety but it's not quite the nuclear apocalypse that destroys your infrastructure and burns entire cities. It's great as a warcrime and might kill some generals so I guess they're perfect for a false flag. But, forensics are good enough to determine some history on what fissiles were used and where they came from so whoever uses it is going to be able to deny it less than the Nordstream attacks. Hopefully you steal the fissiles from a rival nation first.
>>41821 >new defensive position along Kremmina-Svatove-Borova Damn, that looks like a lot of ground to give. Of course, it's quite reasonable if they make a fighting retreat with the forces already fighting in the area, so that the attackers will face a properly built-up defensive line.
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>>41809 I bet you never even played MGS3 zoomerbaby.
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>>41846 Russians sacked the general of Western Military Districts, they didn't say why but everyone can assume it's for incompetence. There's a rumor going on he ordered a single battalion to take highway ring around Kharkov in the very beginning, also, he's apparently the one who fucked up the whole strategy around Kiev-Sumy-Kharkov axis, this is all a rumor though. Other than that, besides Russians pulling out of Liman and few skirmishes here and there, nothing of note. Slow weekend.
>>41848 >he ordered a single battalion to take highway ring around Kharkov in the very beginning Considering how they thought that they can just roll into Kyeev, it doesn't seem to be that extreme. A battalion of soldiers should be enough to police some hapless civilians who can barely contain their excitement over being liberated. Of course, that's not how things went, but he wasn't the only one to think like this.
>>41852 The main issue is probably his follwup. You can usually forgive an initial miscalculation, but when you keep fucking up over and over afterwards it's pretty safe to say you're either incompetent or deliberately sabotaging your own side.
9 NATO members urge support for Ukraine after annexation https://archive.ph/YLqqa >The leaders of Czechia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Romania and Slovakia published a statement on their websites Sunday saying: “We support Ukraine in its defense against Russia’s invasion, demand (that Russia) immediately withdraw from all the occupied territories and encourage all allies to substantially increase their military aid to Ukraine.” >Asked Friday about Zelenskyy’s application for accelerated NATO membership, White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said the application process in Brussels “should be taken up at a different time.” >NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg was noncommittal when asked about Zelenskyy’s appeal to join. >Dmitry Medvedev, deputy head of Russia’s Security Council chaired by Putin, derided the move, saying that Zelenskyy’s request amounts to “begging NATO to accelerate the start of World War III.” Not that exciting, but it made me chuckle.
>>41852 True, but like anon >>41853 pointed out, you either re adjust and unfuck yourself, or your incompetence is either bordering on criminal or treasonous.
>>41846 Kherson front is collapsing
>>41857 Is it now? really?
>>41857 But which side's line is collapsing there?
>>41860 >inb4 it's both sides
>>41861 >everyone got enough of the situation, so both sides packed up and went for an extended holiday That is just absurd enough that I might believe it if multiple channels reported it.
>>41862 >>41861 >each side buys their own propaganda so thoroughly they think the war is over and have fucked off back home >entire region is devoid of anything but extremely confused civilians expecting more shelling any second If anyone is retarded enough to pull this off it's slavs.
>>41857 Ok and? Who tells that this won't be another part of this war?
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Alright, since there are no confirmed news from the front, and the thread is slow. I'm gonna throw you some numbers. Post taken from pro Russian telegram channel. >I will answer the question, will we limit ourselves to one wave of mobilization? Front line 1000 km. If one battalion occupies a defense area of ​​3 X 5 km, and we, so be it, will deploy it in 5 X 3, then it is necessary to keep it in the first line. Total 200 battalions. Multiply by 500 people. 100,000 people in the first echelon. Given the strength of the enemy - the same number in the second. A total of 200,000. And also artillery, support, reconnaissance, rear services, and so on. Another 100,000! Total, front - 300,000. >To advance, you need to have at least two more strike groups - that's another 200,000. >Total: 500,000 >It is necessary to form reserves non-stop. For such a grouping, this is still at least 200,000. >It is worth remembering that at least 20% of the troops on the front line must be on rotation. >That's another 150,000. >In total, only the army involved at the front is at least 850,000. Well, I think this is the way I was taught in my native LVVPU. >With the current conscription, we will have about half of this number under arms. So consider how many more reservists we need. >A little bit, with the next wave of mobilization, those who will now go into reserve will be able to help us. This is approximately 80,000 - 90,000 who served in the SuhVo or are fit for service in them. And the rest, my friends, it will be you and me. So my good advice. While there is time, prepare your "alarm" backpack. Warm underwear, protective equipment, first aid kits and other military "shnyaga". I think so! fucking hell, I hate reformatting posts from telegram

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