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"The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war." - Otamin


a world turned upside-down (/wrol/ book thread) Strelok 06/16/2020 (Tue) 02:40:20 No.2682
Hello /k/, I'm the author of "a world turned upside-down", formerly titled "gear packing list file". Here's the newest version (1.9). If you wish to contribute to the contents, please download/read it and then post here with what you'd like to see added. Be sure to mention/explain where your contribution belongs in the book. Thanks. You guys were surprisingly hard to find again.
>>18448 On page 191 you give advice against diarrhea and advocate for a "bottle" of Loperamide aka Imodium. Loperamide is an Opioid and it doesn't heal diarrhea, it just slows down(and in high dosages paralyzes) your intestine which thickens your poop and makes it look like the sickness is gone. Diarrhea is a reaction of the body to remove harmful bacteria or poison. The People who die because of Diarrhea don't just die because of dehydration, they suffer organ failure from the toxins in their system. Depending on the severeness of the infection or the nature of the poison in your intestines taking Loperamide can thus be counter productive and deadly. It doesn't cure the sickness, it just designed for wageslaves to go after their job despite their body being hurt. In bad cases you damage your body because the sickness isn't expelled or you continue to shit yourself to death once your tablets run out. They even tell you in the packages that you should see a doctor if the symptoms aren't gone after two days. Unless you are already old, sick and hurt nobody is dying in two days because of Diarrhea, so why should you be taking Loperamide in the first place instead of properly curing out the sickness? Charcoal tablets and an instruction to cook a Moro Soup from dried carrot powder would be a better alternative. You can even buy small cans and glases of already finished Moro Soup from the internet that are good for years.
>>18534 I recommend keeping a bottle of (drinking) alcohol around since an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Alcohol is man's oldest solution to eating food that looks or tastes sketchy, and sketchy food is the #1 cause of diarrhea anyways. Our ancestors would drink a stronger beeru or wine with dinner to keep the half-rotten meat or vegetables from fermenting in their intestines. This is why alcohol and festivities also go hand-in-hand since festival food is more likely to give you the shits. I prescribe anon one beer or wine of at least 5.5% ABV or a shot of hard liquor after any meal that might be potentially dangerous. It's saved my ass from food poisoning (or made my symptoms more mild) whenever I've eaten out with friends or family.
>>18534 >>18543 >in re diarrhea I think keeping a bottle of non-pencillin (mainly due to resistance issues) broad spectrum antibotics is recommened. I usually keep Oxytetracycline and/or fluoroquinolones (because thanks, fucking city water infections) on hand.
>>18534 >>18543 >>18571 If you want to slap together a paragraph or more saying all that in more detail I will expand that section with it. Thanks.
>>18521 >link for raids video is dead Well, shit. IAnyone got a copy or alternative anywhere, because it wasn't my video in the first place. Also I switched the links in the book to to yewtu.be awhile ago, but I see that that doesn't work either.
2.1.1 is now up. Captcha kept failing so it's on catbox right now. A World Turned Upside-Down 2.1.1.pdf 10.3 MB https://files.catbox.moe/orph84.pdf
2.1.1 is now up. Upload here is still giving issues so its on catbox right now. A World Turned Upside-Down 2.1.1.pdf 10.3 MB https://files.catbox.moe/orph84.pdf
>>19645 Introduction to Chapter 4, page 44 needs revision- Maslow's hierarchy of needs addresses physiological needs at the base of the pyramid but is different from the rule of threes; this explanation of the rule of threes reads as downplays the importance of shelter in a potentially deadly way; could be fixed very simply by adding shelter to the bullet points between water and food.
Newest edition folks, 2.1.2, hope you guys like it. Over 25 new pages of content and a couple of illustrations to go with it. On catbox again, since upload here is still glitching out. https://files.catbox.moe/92zb1v.pdf Again, if anyone wants to write up any info I'm very happy to add it. Tactical info or relevant images/diagrams are especially welcome. If anyone wants some of the included images let me know and I'll post them here to share as general info.
>>19646 Fixed it by adding shelter to safety, since that seemed more appropriate as a location to me (shelter is safety from the climate, right?). Have a look at 2.1.2 and see what you think.
>>20567 looking pretty good. personally id say the bit about the side arm being unimportant in the gearfag 101 part is a bit dismissive of perfectly capable fighting tools. way I've always viewed it is your pistol can be a side arm but it can also be a 2nd primary weapon if the situation requires it. this is mostly only relevant to direct action type shit as most of my experience revolves around SWAT shit but if you have a person in cuffs or otherwise under control you need one hand to keep them under control so a rifle rapidly becomes a bad choice. the same applies to using a ladder either when getting over a perimeter wall or gaining access to a balcony. you need to keep one hand on the ladder so you don't fall off which leaves you with only one hand to operate a weapon. this is where pistols really shine. i personally feel that pistols should be practiced one handed as often as possible as it becomes much more versatile then. you should add a strategy about using an ear dropper or squirt gun to get fentanyl on people like a mossad agent for the agent 47 inclined individuals. also definitely don't recommend people getting bump keys to steal shit from patrol cars.
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>>20567 Yo. You recommended acquiring access to the Grantville Gazettes for having some idea as to how to re-establish technology after a capital-C Collapse. Can you tell me which specific ones I should get? If you can zip all the relevant ones up and post it in fileditch or in this thread, that would be great as well. Thanks in advance. I am mostly asking this because libgen.rs has 68 pages worth of Grantville Gazette issues and it would take a eternity and a half to download them all unassisted.
>>20567 >New version I've been working on the fruit/nut tree guide, if you could read whats on it and tell me anything you can't understand as a layman I'll add it in next revision when I'm not busy wageslaving
>>21316 >personally id say the bit about the side arm being unimportant in the gearfag 101 part is a bit dismissive of perfectly capable fighting tools. way I've always viewed it is your pistol can be a side arm but it can also be a 2nd primary weapon if the situation requires it. I wouldn't exactly call it a "2nd primary" - it is a niche weapon for when your primary is incapacitated or too big for what you're doing. >if you have a person in cuffs or otherwise under control you need one hand to keep them under control so a rifle rapidly becomes a bad choice. If they are under control (in the context of SHTF) I'm not going to be within 6ft of them, and if they run or try to fight they're getting a bullet, not my hands on them. There is no reason to go hands-on with someone with unknown fighting ability, especially when there won't be any investigation into their (self-inflicted by stupidity) death. >using a ladder either when getting over a perimeter wall or gaining access to a balcony. you need to keep one hand on the ladder so you don't fall off which leaves you with only one hand to operate a weapon. this is where pistols really shine. i personally feel that pistols should be practiced one handed as often as possible as it becomes much more versatile then. Agreed, or if you are checking say, a car boot - but again, this is because the primary weapon is too big and is temporarily laid aside. If you want to re-write the "gearfag 101" thing please do - my PC went KIA and I'm still looking for a substitute copy of MS Word so I can prepare the next edition and other stuff. I only included those infographics as it beat re-writing the whole thing myself, but I've always meant to go back and re-write it and edit it to fit in with the "Selecting Personal Equipment" stuff in Chapter 6 (page 232 of version 2.1.2). Check what I have on page 217 on version 2.1.2 - it describes the safest known low-tech method of searching a prisoner or body. The searcher does not need to be armed, and in fact, being armed means they are likely to take unnecessary risks and remain too close to the prisoner if they do start to resist. It is the cover man's job to use violence if the prisoner resists. >>21384 I'll create a pdf of the non-fiction stuff I used when I can and I'll post it here. >>21371 >>21416 Thanks for the contribs I'll read them and see where they can be used. May take me awhile, though.
Hi everyone, it seems cock.li has deleted the email I created there. Since they have no method of communicating with the site admins, and have changed the registration system so new users have to be invited by existing users, I no longer have an email you can send anything to. If any streloks are a cock.li user, please think of a way to send me an invite code securely, otherwise I am once again searching for a secure anonymous email provider for this book. >>21416 The fruit/nut tree guide is good, but a bit wordy and long for the book. I'd be interested in including it if it can be shortened (maybe by putting some of the info as dot points?) Thanks for the contribution, I will credit you as "treeman" in the next edition, if you're happy with that.
>>22389 I have a few cock emails and would send you a code, but I don't know how to securely send one or know that it's you. The board is pretty slow though, so maybe I can trust the honor system. Invite below. https://privatebin.at/?b20f3e6359d8c05f#9NmiPBcaoenoQsSA8LgHfYRtGQ2jP54wJDxjksBgj7T5 forauthoruseonly@@56326757800
>>18833 >If you want to slap together a paragraph or more saying all that in more detail I will expand that section with it. Thanks. Sorry for the late answer, but how much detail do you want about the topic of diarrhea and moro soup? Additionally look up the Fire roll/Rüdiger role on youtube, I thinks this methods of making a fire is a lot easier to learn and do in most environments than other primitive fire making methods like the bow drill and should be added to the book.
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>>20567 >Plato, student of Aristotle I have been trolled.
Crisis & Leviathan by Robert Higgs. I understand ideology isn't necessarily the best for /k/ but it helps those having a hard time framing the current war by explaining government action over the last century.
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I can't tell you how to do this, since I don't know what software you're using and I've never worked with PDF files before, but please look into adding a PDF outline to the book. You can't flip through a PDF like you a can a book, so having an outline with chapters and sections makes finding relevant information in a pinch much easier, especially on e-readers which lack scrolling. As it stands, the table of contents doesn't even include page numbers, something you should be able to automate in any document preparation software worth its salt. This isn't nitpicking, this would genuinely make your book more useful. A lot of this book's content is stuff I'd like to reread or access later and, unless I print this shit out, it's a bit of a pain to find again. I'd also suggest exporting an EPUB version and possibly a MOBI version (for Kindleniggers) for people using e-readers. This is much less important, obviously, but it would be helpful for people with e-readers that either don't support .PDF documents or have poor batteries.
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I looked a little into adding or generating a PDF outline, but without the source files there's little I can do that wouldn't be overly awkward or time consuming (like learning Pandoc and manually creating an outline through the command line). Shit, if you use LibreOffice Writer I'm pretty fucking sure you can automatically generate a table of contents, AND a PDF outline on export, just by hitting Insert -> Table of Contents and using proper headings instead of arbitrarily resizing text to denote sections. Microsoft Word will probably do the same. Sadly LibreOffice opens .PDF documents in fucking Draw, not Writer, so as far as I know I can't do this shit myself without the source files.
>>28854 Update: it's supposedly possible to open .PDF files in LibreOffice Writer, but just selecting the program in your file manager won't do it: you have to open the main program, go to the open file button, and then select "PDF - Portable Document Format (Writer)" in the filetype menu. Only then will it attempt to open the file in Writer, after a lengthy import process that took me seven minutes and froze the application. Even upon importing or converting to .odf (a must if you want to save and load the file within a reasonable file), the abomination generated by the PDF importer slows down the application so much that it's basically impossible to edit. OP, if you're there, please: if you won't add a working table of contents or PDF outline yourself, at least release the .docx or .odf so I can add one. Maybe I can generate a PDF outline and a decent table of contents in a program like Scribus (and trust me, importing text as vectors into that thing takes a ridiculous amount of time, I'm pretty sure it would take actual hours on my machine), but whenever a new version comes out all that work and import time will have to be redone.
>>25001 Great. My Laptop got fried, can't turn the .doc file the book is in into a pdf with the replacement, and just tried your link and I got "Error: your invite is invalid or was already used "
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>>4166 >>2682 Personal equipment, p. 31, ditch the umbrella for a boonie and ripstop military poncho. Also, I'm not seeing a hatchet/camp axe, folding saw, or any consideration for nav. There's no hyphen in "ferrocerium" BTW. The mosquito net is a good thought. Most people probably wouldn't think of it. They work best with that boonie I mentioned, too.
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>>36232 Aaand now I see you've put all that shit on p. 33. Disregard that, I suck cocks. Though I still think that at least a folding saw and nav shit should be carried by ALL (adult) members of any team.
I'd like to write an excerpt for the pdf about how Brazilian motor police train and fight and how it coild he adapted to less latin enviroments because I think the mobility would be very convenient to those who have access to bikes. I'll dig around and try to find some stuff but it might take a while since I can't read Portuguese.
>>36821 I may know an anon who might be able to provide some insight. I’ll try to ask him tonight. If you’ve ever seen some of the chase videos, they’re insane. I would also look at South Africa, as they have a similar setup.
>>36821 Alright gonna give a brief overview of what I was taught on my visit rather than existing doctrine and and potential improvements. Use: To start the most effective use of motorcycle mounted units are pursuit, evacuation, and qrf. Primarily in urban or densely forested environments. Using mounted troops efficiently relies on knowledge of the environment and resistance faced. Bike mounted troops are offered very little protection, limited space for equipment, and some bikes actively discourage body armor to ride effectively. Keeping all this in mind when planning for bike mounted operations is vital to their survival. Of course being visibly armed and militant on a motorcycle is the easiest way to get pulled over so avoid being conspicuous in urban environments. What to ride: The choice of bike should be fairly simple. You want a light enough and powerful enough vehicle to evade or pursue other vehicles but also the utility of driving off road if equipped with duel sport tires. Something akin to roadsters like the kawasaki w800 or the Enfield pictured above would be ideal for most environments. For those who live in steeper or more rocky environments consider investing in a full sized rally bike or trail bike like a Honda ct110. Bike equipment While we do preach keeping the weight you carry into battle to a minimum, mounted troops are more free to take redundant or large equipment. Of course in order to carry all that you'll probably want saddle bags. I recommend soft leather or canvas saddle bags to keep the bike narrow. Personal equipment The entire purpose of mounted troops is to be fast and light. Anything that can't be attached to the armor or belt goes in the saddle bags until its needed. You shouldn't be shooting and moving at the same time, coming to at least a partial stop before reaching for your weapon, but you should still consider something compact enough to be holstered as it will be easier to access quickly than something slung across your back. Makeshift rifle mounts will probably fail to secure your weapon or take longer than a sIling to use anyway. That is why I would recommend handguns, pdw's (vz61, b&t mp9, master piece arms Mac 10-11s) or even some pccs or sbrs with folding stocks like dracos or mp5s. Of course both of these are too large to holster but are still small enough used almost immediately without getting hung up on you or the bike. Training As simple as it is off road trails or small courses made from street cones will give you the time you need to operate the bike effectively. Of course shooting from the holster on a bike should also be practiced but there aren't really any secret operator tips. Be fast, be smart.
>>20567 >>36926 Having made the bike post I'll start writing up a rough outline for psychological training. May have to be adapted or adjusted to avoid producing sociopaths for those who want good natured soldiers
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>>37271 I was more referring to psychological conditioning to enhance the individual soldiers readiness and comfort with taking human life and enduring the hardships of prolonged war. I'll probably write it out tomorrow if I'm not busy.
I'm new into this stuff, who is this mosby fella and where can i get his books?
>>37426 John Mosby https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/ You can buy them from him. I have the pdfs somewhere but I don't recall which drive. If I find them I'll upload them.
>>37450 Those pdgs will be welcomed, i think the war in Ukraine open a whole can of worms and we will start seeing conflicts all over the world, i want to be as ready as i can.
>>37453 Here is Forging the Hero. I think I have both Reluctant Partisan books somewhere else but I don't know where. Pretty sure I never had Guerilla Gunfighter. I don't remember where I got this one from but I suspect it was Julay's /k/ in which case that poster may be here and may be able to provide the others. A thread dedicated to his blog/books wouldn't be a bad idea. Lots of room for interesting discussion there. Hognose's blog weaponsman would also be another option.
>>37457 >>37453 >>37450 >>37426 I just realised it had already been posted here: >>14567 That is probably where I got it lol. I still stand by the idea for a mountainguerilla discussion thread though.
'Sup motherfuckers, I'm still alive. Life tried to kill me but I didn't. Moving on. >>36232 >>36235 >Disregard that, I suck cocks. But are you GOOD at it? > folding saw and nav shit should be carried by ALL (adult) members of any team. I'll possibly suggest that in the next version. >>36926 >>37266 >>37271 Thanks. I'll put that in as soon as possible. >>37457 If you have the partisan books that would be pretty sweet. World Turned Upside-Down 2.1.4 is here (13.2MB): https://files.catbox.moe/26ifpz.pdf
>>41938 >new update What's new in this version?
>>42746 >What's new in this version? Depends, which version do you currently have? Generally any new or significantly modified writing in any edition is in green so it's easy to find. In 2.1.4, the tactical drills section has been expanded and the next version will be illustrated now that I've found good images. I'll do formations as well when possible. There's a little bit more info in the PERSEC section, and an extra link. A little more info in the fertility and child education sections also, as well as in the finance/money section. Some important clarifying expansion on the Faith in society section, a couple of pages worth, as well as more in the "thousand years" part. Building defense, town defense, and also the communication sections have more info. Also added to the personal gear section and created a "combat logistics" section, as well as explaining what Rhodesian Cover shooting is, and a tiny bit in the medical section, as well as more recommended bibliography. As always, if anyone wants to write or stitch together anything (IDGAF about copyright here, I'm not making any money) send it on through.
>>43062 Ah, see, I ripped the text and images from the PDF a while back and figured I'd recreate the book in LibreOffice and distribute it as both .odt and .pdf files so it would be easier for people to modify and add on to. I never got around to it though, so I'll have to rip the newer version if I really want to do this.
>>41938 Thank you for your diligence Strelok. I still have a lot of reading material (hardcover/digital) I'ld like to go through before TEOTWAWKI that I haven't finished such as this guide you've been working on. It's been a while since I've read it. Are there any sections about fortifying yourself a bug out hole in the middle of nowhere sort of like a cabin/bunker? Also did you address fortifying electronics against harmful EMPs stationarily and mobile?
>>43141 Cool, make sure you post the link here when and if you do. >>43204 >any sections about fortifying yourself a bug out hole in the middle of nowhere sort of like a cabin/bunker? That's a little something I like to call "suicide by FBI/ATF", so no. If you're alone in a bunker innawoods, you're gonna die. Probably painfully and slowly. Don't do it. Bunkers should be on the edge of your tribe's area of control, probably in the areas surrounding your town. >did you address fortifying electronics against harmful EMPs stationarily and mobile? Yeah, stick the electronics you think you'll need after SHTF in a closed metal trashcan so that they aren't touching the metal (see the video link in the book) - dry cardboard works well enough as electric isolation. If they're outside, they're almost certainly going to be fucked if there's an EMP-type event. If you bury anything electronic, wrap in plastic (to isolate), then a couple layers of foil, then bag it in plastic to waterproof it.
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>>43141 >>43938 It also occurred to me that you could just ask me for the text and images I use to make the .pdfs I post. Or even (shock, horror) contribute material to put in the book (something I suggested people do since day 1, when I asked the original guy who made the list if I could edit it for my own use, wayyy back before we all moved /k/ out of 8chan).
Any good information on physical conditioning in here?
>Any good information in here? no
>>54447 If not here you might check out the do/k/uments thread, strelok.
Good job, strelo/k/, I appreciate the effort and time you put in to write this down. While I do not agree with everything, it's a good work to put in place the basics of post-collapse survival. I just have one question: my greatest concern in any sort of collapse or post-apocalyptic situation is that ammunition will eventually run out, especially in extremely violent situations as might be expected in the collapse and subsequent tribal warfare. Granted, ammo factories can be taken, and gunsmithies can be set up to do handloading, but both can take precious time and lives. How likely is it that, for a given period between the initial collapse and stabilization, that people will be forced to resort to simpler weapons like muskets, bows (long, compound, and cross), and melee weapons?
>>54526 fairly low. the collapse wont be global and it wont be forever. eventually either a foreign country is going to start importing it again or youll be able to bargain it off of shadier UN peacekeepers. lots of potential answers and paths. even if you could get the manpower to get a munition factory running you wouldnt be able to organize an effective logistics chain to supply it so just purchase more than you can reasonably expect to use and have something worth trading for more if it comes to that.
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