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GFS - Gardening, Food acquisition and Stock keeping thread Strelok 07/30/2021 (Fri) 17:19:58 No.17689
Greetings Streloks, as anounced in >>17677, this is the thread about gardening, acquiring food and keeping stocks for long(er) Term survival. the main topics for this thread are -growing food for long term survival. -harvesting wild food if gardening is not an option for whatever reason. -legal and illegal food acquisition in areas where gardening is hard or undoable or in the case of insufficient skills. -wild gardening/guerilla gardening as alternative ways of growing food without owning land. >What is the purpose of the info ITT? This thread is aimed at providing information to every Strelok, on how to provide his own food, wether it is only for himself, or for a large fighting force. This is not only important for Post-collapse scenarios, but also an important factor of gaining freedom by independence from the government and society. >what does this have to do with /k/? At the time of the thread creation, /k/ is the board for weapons, combat and outdoorsmanship. A part of every armed conflict is the provisioning of food for the combatants to upkeep morale and fighting ability. Knowing how to grow and how to acquire food in any conditions is an important part of sustaining a fighting force, as the past has shown that a hungry soldier cannot win a conflict, and looting, even if an option, is only a short term solution, that cannot fully replace a stable supply of fresh provisions. Therefore, i see this as a quite important, and unfortunately overlooked aspect of /k/. >What goes in regards to posting. I'm not playing janny, but i'd prefer to keep this thread focused on the 4 main topics at the beginning of the Post. Related questions and discussion are welcome, and as long as it stays roughly on topic, i see the threads purpose as fulfilled. >Is there an end goal? A possible end goal would be a summarised sheet of information, that could (after extensive QC) be added to the boo/k/ "a world turned upside down", and a separate, condensed copy collected in an lightweight pamphlet to help aspiring streloks and newfags in obtaining basic information about starting to gain independence. >How often will Information be gathered into summary sheets? no idea, depends on how much traction the thread gets. An estimate would be one sheet every 100 posts, but as i said, that depends on the amount of content, and on it's quality.
Hi anons. I'm in the southwest and need to start composting again. However, the challenge out here is to little moisture. I had started a heap and it basically didn't compost like in wetter parts of the USA, not enough moisture, not enough breakdown. Desiccation was a problem. Overheating was an issue, the pile gets so hot it kills everything, even the good bacteria. I would use wood to make a compost box, but I am leaning towards a plastic trashcan, due to moisture keeping. I might however go with metal, but again the issue of overheating arises. Is there anyone experienced with this that can recommend anything else I need to consider? Appreciate any input.
>>39853 >Dessication Stir it regularly with a shovel (every 2-3 days) and add some water here or there. Use more green waste (food/leafy waste) and less brown waste (wood/stems). If you're growing desert crop varieties, adding some sand to the mix will help retain moisture. If you have a neighbor with a baby, ask them for spare diapers that no longer fit their kid; the polymers inside the piss sack are perfect for helping the compost bin or your garden retain moisture. >What kind of material? Resin. Plastic is fine for nonedible plant compost, but you should use a resin if working with edible plant compost. Metal can harm the microbes so avoid it.
I got about a dozen hot peppers from my plants yesterday and I don't know what to do with them. Suggestions?
>>39879 >Suggestions? Plant your peppers with a few weeks inbetween next year instead of all at once. >Immediate suggestions? Peppers pickle well and dry well so my suggestion would be to dry the ones you don't plan to use immediately. The pickling method is also the basis for making preserved sauce from your peppers. You can extract the juice/heat from the pepper with virgin coconut oil and it makes an excellent topical anesthetic/analgesic for bug bites and the like. Just avoid exposure to eyes/genitals if you do that.
>>39370 >Cannabis If you want to play it safe so much, then you should call it hemp.
>>39879 Do you do any canning? If so, you could throw them into a blender with some tomatoes and whatever else you like in chili or pasta sauce. Then can or freeze them for later use.
>>39887 Hemp is only one type of cannabis
>>39370 >poppies for culinary use >labour intensive How so? The pods ripen on the vertical at which point the stem dries out. You just walk through the field and snap off the ripe pods and put them in a fine weave bag or whatever then once you get them inside you just snip off the "cap" and upend the pod into your container. Purple poppies contain roughly a teaspoon of seeds each while the red ones contain a quarter of that. I'd even venture to say that per kilo of seeds, poppy seed harvesting could well be more labour-efficient than (pre-industrial) wheat harvesting.
>>32173 >>32178 One thing you need to be REALLY careful of with potatoes is viruses. Plant viruses are a bitch to deal with because they can't actually kill the virus the way mammals do so the only way to treat a plant virus is to burn the host and potatoes do not die. I once planted a store bought potato which I firmly believe had been intentionally inoculated to stop home growers and it produced so many diseased little tubers that it was years before I killed the last one. While the plant did produce solid yields despite its illness, it produced far less than it could have and all the tubers it did make were full of hard necrotic lumps. In conclusion, I highly advise you don't use store bought potatoes. Get the "planting" potatoes from the gardening store so you know that they are clean.
>>39908 There is a way to salvage a virus infected line of potatoes from viruses but it requires a micro propagation (i.e. tissue culture) setup to do it so it's not really worth it unless you are trying to rescue an important cultivar from viruses. Other things you could do to clear potatoes of viruses is to plant the potato seed, the actual seed from the berry. Of course that won't necessarily come true.
>>39879 What climate do you live in and what kind of peppers?
>>39876 thank you anon, really helpful. I forgot about those silica beads in diapers and I have some of the material lying around so that will help with moisture retention. I haven't fully decided my list of plants yet, but I know (((jerusalem))) artichokes will most likely be on the list, probably for a combo of memes and food. Most likely regular artichokes, carrots, luffa, beans, sweet potatoes do really well here, not sure what else yet.
>>39908 yes, store bought potatoes are designed to die and spread diseases so that you have to use monsanto products. Never, ever plant stuff you get from the store that isn't a seed unless you are being really experimental, especially if it is near other stuff.
>>39948 >>39908 I've only planted spuds that were already growing roots, and admittedly they never flowered/I had to kill the plant after squirrels half-killed it ripping off the propagation roots, but I never had any disease with them. The nonedible plants I panted in their containers afterwards have been doing fine for months now.
>>39957 It doesn't always happen, but my point is that it isn't worth the risk. Once you get a diseased specimen in your garden it's there for good and the aphids and ants are gonna spread it to your healthy potatoes and maybe even your other nightshades. Why deal with all that bullshit just so you can save a couple of dollars on a single purchase of slightly overpriced spuds?
>>39947 If you're in the market for root crops then consider some less common ones >yacon >oca >mashua >dahlia >burdock You would want one of the domesticated varieties of burdock if you're going that route. Depending on how your local wildlife is you also may have to occasionally rescue small birds from the seed heads. >southwest Are you in a low desert or high desert climate?
Low. So I've been looking at some more forgiving crops. The soil here is what I would call "halfway done" due to the chickens giving it a good workout and is very fertile. Just been looking at some crops I know do well in the heat.
>>40019 Are you in a dune region? Some of the Indians in the SW would plant desert adapted varieties of corn like a foot deep in sand dunes to protect the seed from over heating and the young plants from drying out. If not then you could try sunken planting beds, where you have little plots several inches deeper than the surrounding land that functions as a natural moisture trap.
>>40022 the soil has been amended to the point where it holds a lot of moisture, I really only need to set up a misting system during the high heat of the summer to prevent wilting on some types of crops, I have considered sunken but will probably go raised. I may do a combination of all types, sunken, raised, and one just in the regular ground and see which does best. I'm also considering experimenting because a lot of the documentation for this region is for large Ag, small casual gardens, and not the "long-term victory garden enthusiast" who wants sustainable food production year to year.
>>40028 Oh I just though of something. You were talking about using hydration beads from diapers earlier, you can buy dehydrated methylcellulose, under such names and crystal soil and soil moist, etc., and mix it into your soil. You'll want to work with the stuff while it's still dry though and it needs to be mixed well or otherwise you'll end up with what looks like a big pile of jellyfish vomit erupting from the ground.
Does anyone know about planting wheat? You can do it in the fall right?
>>40028 Look at permaculture and food forests/forest gardens. The idea being, you build up layers that support each other. If you layer right, moisture gets retained naturally and shade prevents harsh sun from damaging your more sensitive crops. In a forest, up to 7 layers from ground cover to large trees, but you can cut out some layers and still have success. Just a dwarf tree above the rest of your plants can provide enough shade to stop wilting. The two books "Edible Forest Gardens" have decent charts to see tree dimensions and shade strength. Generally speaking, perennial plants are more resistant than annual ones due to a larger root network too, so that might be worth a consideration.
>>40062 really good idea, thanks anon. I'll go pick some up. Planting season is soon, need to finalize what I am putting in. >>40158 winter wheat is supposed to be a forgiving crop from what I hear, it can be harvested at multiple times during growth so you can put it off for some reason and not panic. You could consider barley as well, but it requires some processing due to it's hull. But it is a delicious addition to soups, stews, side pilaf, etc.
>>40158 oh, and if you're cold and wet, consider rye. It loves "miserable weather"
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Friendly reminder that anon should be starting a compost pile. Even if you only garden flowers/non-edible plants compost is good to have. Throw your seaweed, egg shells, plant waste, etc. into it. Animal fur is rich in nitrogen and so long as you separate your primarily natural fiber clothes from your primarily synthetic fiber clothes, you can compost dryer lint (or use it as a fuel source) and such. Animal fur and feathers are also incredibly rich in nitrogen so when you brush your cat/dog or change your bird's bedding, you should add it to the mix. If you live somewhere sandy, a little clay (such as from cat litter) will help all the organic matter stick together so microbes can break it down into dirt. Arthropod/Mollusk/Crustacean shells are also an excellent addition to compost for nitrogen and calcium, but at bare minimum they need to be crushed up into fragments before adding to the soil or else they'll take years to break down (it's preferably to "cook" the shells at about 200 freedom for an hour or two to remove moisture and embrittle the chitin. Just make sure to properly "sterilize" things that can contain harmful microbes by baking them before adding to the compost, or keep two compost piles for edible plants and non-edible plants (then you can add macerated feces and urine to the non-edible plant compost pile too). You can add ashes/biochar to compost as well, but it is unironically better to urinate on ashes/biochar before adding them to compostable soil since it allows a more slow release of nutrients into the soil while speeding up the composting process. >But compost stinks It only stinks bad if you are adding a lot of fats/proteins into the soil such as beans and rice. It has a mild smell but putting a mesh chair or umbrella over the compost pile is usually enough to "trap" the smell with mild-smelling additions. Realistically you should be regularly adding urine to your compost so long as the smell isn't an issue since urine is an excellent source of nitrogen and phosphorus and can be used to make IEDs as well. Urine speeds up the composting process so you have useable soil quicker, and for some plants like sweet peppers and tomatoes it can double or quadruple your yield by mixing composted ash/urine mixture into the soil. Turns out plants are into golden showers. >Hormones and drugs in urine because of birth control and shit Funnily enough the temperatures that compost reaches are enough to deconstruct hormones and most pharmaceuticals so it's probably a non-issue outside of specific medications like those containing lithium.
Has anyone here ever kept pheasants for egg production?
>>42351 I can't imagine it would be a good idea. Unlike chickens, pheasants only lay eggs for about 2-3 weeks out of the year between April and June depending on the species. Even then they only lay a dozen or two dozen eggs. I've read a pheasant only broods once during the season. Sometimes she'll lay a second batch, but it wouldn't be very efficient as a food source since every egg eaten is one less pheasant you can eat later. You could breed pheasants much like chickens to one day produce eggs year-round, but it took the world about 600 years of breeding to turn chickens into a year-round egg-laying species.
>>42348 How does one properly store and transport compost discreetly around nosey concrete dwellers?
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>>42391 I just have a big 50lb plastic soil sack that I fill with compost when I'm getting ready to use it on things. My setup is that I have what looks like a resin barrel bush planter on my balcony with wet shredded paper mulch and baby grass/alfalfa/chia cover crop to hide it/mask the scent (those grow in basically any soil) and some thin slits cut into the sides with a spade to aerate it. Then I have an outdoor cloth chair over it to keep some of the rain off of it/make it blend in better. It also helps that my neighbor's dogs fucking reek when they piss outside so all the concrete dwellers focus on her instead of me.
>>17689 MY COMMENT: Things are about to get very ugly for the Western world, not just for Europe, Ukraine and Russia, but in America too. Everyone buckle up, get ready, be prepared. When the economy starts to tank and it will, you are going to start seeing massive price inflation with a MASSIVE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENTAL COVERUP, they'll lie and claim it's only 8% inflation when in reality it's 25% to 30% month to month. If you do not trust what I have to say it's your problem, not mine. I am here to warn you before it happens. Get food, get extra water, get extra clothing/boots/shoes, make sure you are armed, make sure you have a backup plan to keep warm during the winter (yes even without any electricity because the energy bills are going to be waaaay too expensive for most hard working people to afford in the coming few years, maybe longer). You are going to witness a full blown crisis in the coming year and it is going to shake things up significantly in the Western world so get prepared NOW! Do not, I repeat, do not fall for the wars between the Eastern and the Western world, do not get involved, bug out if you have to. Do not obey any emergency orders to evacuate your town or home. The wars are only meant for depopulation of the masses, and to cull, disarm and re-locate people to the cities which will be under Martial Law! All these wars are staged by governments to cull "undesirable excess" (aka YOU and YOUR FAMILY!) Do not fall for it, these corrupt governments are not worth dying for. Their agendas are not worth dying for. Prepare to survive what is coming if you really hate (((them))) as much as I do. Never forget what they have done to us. Never forget.
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What's a good (preferably discrete) way to kill squirrels when anti-coagulant bait didn't work and even shooting them with a BB gun will get the cops called on you by Karens/nasty letters from the HOA? >Just move out Not an option for at least 6 more months.
>>43171 >BB gun will get the cops called Slingshot? Cats can be effective as well.
>>42512 >Never forget what they have done to us. Never forget. Could you remind us?
>>43171 They make suppressors for air guns that I don't think are considered NFA items, if you live in the US. There are also ways to make wire snare traps set up at the base of the tree which can catch squirrels. Downside is you run the risk of catching pets or the neighbors seeing the dead body in the trap.
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JIM STONE COMMENTS: When the war ball gets rolling it will happen in a very short time. Right now the US is placing nukes in Asia and Europe. This is not a guess, it is on Drudge. While doing this, Russia is getting pestered. My guess is that Posiedon is already placed. Why wait? It is re-callable so why not position it in advance? So many people are dying from the vax now that war would be a great way to take the heat off. And a great way to steal an election and a great way to achieve 2025 population goals - are they going to give us a Halloween trick?. I doubt they have any treats. They are anxious, and it could all be over in a flash . . . . . Pennsylvania election official openly admits the next election will be stolen... stolen with as many mail in ballots as it takes because they received "threats". Listen to the leftist meta talk, anyone can translate leftie speak this basic: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2I7JSriM4p4 [Embed] Time to start logging the FRAUD: https://archive.ph/SQSs3 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/after-sending-out-240000-unverified-ballots-pennsylvania-now-warns-delays-counting https://archive.ph/ov8pg https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/10/26/lawmakers-want-to-know-why-pennsylvania-sent-out-240000-unverified-ballots/ MY COMMENT: We pretty much know where they are taking us, and by the way I do believe this is the same with the sudden mainstream announcement of them openly and brazenly creating bio-weapons in top universities too: THIS IS ALL A BUNCH OF OPEN DEATH THREATS TO AMERICA. "Do as we say or you all die" say the despotic demons who pose as Jews. Why else would this be happening? Regardless what happens, know this as fact and prepare accordingly, never die their pawns. I have a feeling if their house of cards falls, they'll take the world down with them. Can we really prevent it? God only knows but don't count on it.
>>43179 Chemtrails!!! GMO franken-foods with toxic glyphosate!!! Covid mRNA clot shot depop!!! Fluoride in all the tap water!!! Endless wars!!!! 9/11 false flag operation!!!! Mass warrantless spying!! 5G kill grid!!! Agenda 21 / Great Reset destabilization!!!! Open border destabilization and population replacement!!! Destruction of our currency via debt insolvency!!!! "Patriot Act" NDAA police state!!!
>>43195 Add in the promotion of mutilation of children's genitalia!! Mass propagandist lies 24/7 broadcasted on mainstream "corporate" media!!! Censorship!!! Witch hunts against political opposition!!! The murders of hundreds of holistic doctors!!!! Corruption of the Big Pharma & healthcare system!! Covid lockdowns that gutted the REAL economy, etc!!! Endless corruption mass murdering despots!!!
>>43190 Did he died?
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>>43171 Kill the Karens and the entire HOA, they're a bigger threat than squirrels anyway.
Osage orange bushes are growing alright. Had our first frost yesterday night so I left them in the snow (and sun) this morning to "deactivate" growth then brought them indoors and put them in a cool but sunny spot. They're all roughly 1-2 feet tall after a year of growing. Unfortunately these are a plant that seem to need a lot of vertical space so my foot-deep pots just aren't big enough and I had to use bamboo skewers + compostable twine to hold them upright. Got them on a regiment of plant feed stakes until next Spring when I can hopefully either get bigger pots for them or else find an outdoor spot to plant them in the ground. Of the 100 seeds I planted roughly 60 of them spawned, but I didn't have the space for 60 tree-sized bushes and had to cull their numbers down to about 25 plants. Of those 25 about 13 more had to be culled due to a heat wave killing them/stunting growth, and then 8 of the remaining 12 caught diseases after the squirrels dug up the root systems and died of disease or structural collapse. I wonder if any of the four remaining plants will actually manage to survive long enough to bare fruit so I can grow them in the far future? Meanwhile all my fucking bamboo never spawned. I know I could propagate from a "sapling" but I refuse to pay $200 for a sapling when seed is only $10. Edible plants did fine more or less and I enjoyed good (albeit small due to the two month heat wave) produce. I think I'll keep it simple and grow radishes next year since I had decent luck getting a couple small ones after planting a month late.
There seems to be a lot of confusion about what the Bible means when it speaks of clean and unclean foods.Clean and unclean food Put very simply, these are the Bible's dietary laws that if followed can lead to a long and healthy life. The question is: Can we trust the ancient words of the Bible? And what about modern science. Does it support or discredit God's dietary laws? I have found that there are many Christians today who are unaware that the Bible states that our bodies are not our own and that they were bought with a price which was the death of Christ. Scripture also informs us that it is our responsibility to look after these bodies that are on loan to us. But sadly, these are facts that many would rather not acknowledge. Most would rather the well known sea food diet, that is, everything and anything we see that appeals to our eyes and nose. Unfortunately, these are foods that are often very damaging to our bodies and result in us dying from cancer and heart attacks because of our love for food! Most people live to eat rather than eat to live as God intended. Note the following relevant scriptures. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 “What? Know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own? 20 For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.” And 1 Corinthians 10:31 “Whether therefore you eat, or drink, or whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God.” Do we defile our bodies if we knowingly eat foods laced with chemicals that can make the body sick and die? Sadly, most of us do and without any fear of the following warning. 1 Corinthians 3:17 “If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.” It is easy to mock God's Word and say it has no relevance to our physical lives today. But it is amazing though, how very interested someone can become in what God has to say when lying on a deathbed because of a decadent lifestyle. Sadly, it is usually too late to effect changes in their lifestyle by that time. It is better to stay in denial, right? When we find ourselves lying in a hospital bed and dying, then we say, “I don't want to die! I better change to a healthy diet so I might live. Please someone, tell me what should I do and eat so that I can beat this illness and live?”Good Bible food God already told us what to eat when he gave us His dietary laws with clean foods and unclean foods, but most do not care to listen and mock God's instructions until they suddenly find themselves on their deathbed wondering how they got that way! If only we had listened in the first place. Here are some interesting points which show us what God's health plan for us is:
1. When God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He said to them: Genesis 1:29-30 “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be food for you. And to the BEASTS of the earth and all the BIRDS of the air and ALL THE CREATURES that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give EVERY GREEN PLANT for food. And it was so.” Seed-bearing plants include nuts, grains, legumes, and seeds. Our digestive tract is 12-14 times our shoulder to hip trunk length, the same as fruit eating animals. Herbivores (for example, cattle) have a digestive tract length of 20 times their body length. The shortest intestinal tracts are found in meat eating animals. When mankind left the Garden of Eden, vegetables were added to their diet. Genesis 3:18 tells us that the “plants of the field” were now to be considered as food. Interestingly, fruit can be eaten with nuts, grains and seeds without any ill effects, but if eaten with vegetables can lead to digestive problems. There is fermentation in the gut when fruit and vegetables are eaten together and this can lead to health problems. 2. The distinction between clean and unclean animals was known about in Noah’s day, long before God gave the health laws to the Jewish people: Genesis 7:2-3 “Of every CLEAN beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are NOT CLEAN by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female.” 3. After the great Flood of Noah’s day, meat was permitted in the diet, however the blood was not to be eaten: Genesis 9:3-5 “Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.” It is clear however that there was a distinction between clean and unclean animals. Unclean animals were not even considered as fit to eat. It is understood that only clean meats were to be used as food, as there were more of them in the ark. (Genesis 8:20 “Noah took of every clean beast and every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings.” If unclean meats were to be eaten and sacrificed, there would not be a pair of them left to propagate, to enable the command in verse 17: “Bring forth with thee every living thing that they may breed abundantly in the earth.”) 4. God clarified the differences between clean and unclean creatures, in Leviticus chapter 11: “Whatever divides a hoof, thus making SPLIT HOOVES AND CHEWS THE CUD, among the animals, that you may eat. …These you may eat, whatever is in the water: all that have FINS AND SCALES, those in the water, in the seas and in the rivers, you may eat…. These moreover, you shall detest among the birds; they are not to be eaten: the eagle, vulture, buzzard, kite, falcon, raven, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, vulture, stork, heron, hoopoe and the bat. …These you may eat among all the winged insects: those which have above their feet JOINTED LEGS with which to jump on the earth...” Professor Walter Veith is a doctor of Zoology with a research field in nutritional physiology. He reveals some very interesting things about unclean animals. The physiology of some birds, animals and fish is such that their flesh is not fit for consumption. This includes carnivorous birds without a crop, animals which don't chew cud or have a cloven (split) hoof, and fish without fins or scales. All animals which eat other animals are unclean. Camels have a high level of toxins in their bloodstream, caused by retaining their body fluids rather than sweating. Coneys have a poor thermo-regulator and their enzymes are unstable, resulting in intestinal fermentation. The meat is very acidic, predisposing to disease. Rabbits are coprophagous, meaning that they eat their own faeces, and the levels of toxins in their bodies are much higher than acceptable for human consumption. All rodents and the horse are the same. Pigs have very high histamine levels and sulphur content, leading to high blood acidity and osteoporosis in those who eat them. Pigs also have a high level of bacterial contamination of salmonella, other harmful bacteria and parasites. These are just a couple of brief points. Fish without fins and scales are either scavengers or carnivores and have a high level of toxins in their bodies. Urea in sharks and other fish gives these creatures a distinctive flavor but the flesh is not healthful in the diet. God has known these things from the beginning of time. Although we may not know all the reasons behind His commands, He knows what’s best for us. After all, He made us and He knows what we should put into our bodies. We are very particular as to what kind of fuel we put into our cars. Why aren't we more careful about what we put into our mouths? 5. Colossians 2:16 is often quoted but is often wrongly translated and very misunderstood. Modern Bibles mistranslated this passage as they did not understand Meat and Drink offerings were part of the ordinances, and so translated them as “food and drink.” There are no unclean drinks in the Bible, only unclean foods! These also had no relationship to the ordinances that were nailed to the cross, but the Meat and Drink offerings did. Thus the ordinances of Colossians 2:16 did have and must have all of the following, “Meat and Drink Offerings”, “Holy Feast days”, “New Moon festivals” and “ceremonial Sabbath days” such as Passover and others. Compare Ezekiel 45:17 and Colossians 2:16. It is easy to recognize WHICH law Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to. It is not the Ten Commandment Law (law of liberty, written with the finger of God on stone), which had nothing to do with meat and drink offerings, new moons, holy feast days and the ceremonial sacrificial Sabbaths. This passage also has nothing to do with health laws. It is obviously referring to the Mosaic Law, which was handwritten by Moses and could be “blotted out.” This was the only law with ordinances which pointed forward to the sacrifice of Jesus. These ordinances were no longer necessary when the real Passover Lamb was slain. Dietary laws are laws for health, not “ceremonial” or “ritualistic” laws, although they are mentioned in Leviticus. They are not therefore included when the Lord “nailed the handwriting of ordinances which was against us” to His cross. See Colossians 2:16 for more detail. 6. Regarding Mark 7:1-23 Mark’s statement that Jesus declared all foods “clean,” does not mean that He abolished the distinction between clean and unclean meats. (Unclean meats were not even regarded as “food”!) And the discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees and scribes had nothing to do with the KIND of food but with the MANNER in which the disciples ate. The Pharisees had man-made rules about washing of hands (beyond hygienic levels). The issue was whether or not ritualistic washing of hands before meals was necessary. Jesus said that what defiles a person is not the food eaten with ritually unwashed hands, but the wicked things from the heart, because the food “does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated”. Thus Jesus declared that all foods eaten with ritually unwashed hands are spiritually “clean” (Mark 7:19). The Greek word for food (bromata) here used, is the general term for food, referring to all types of food for human consumption, not just flesh foods. 7. Peter's vision in Acts 10 of the animals did not teach that unclean animals had become fit for food. If Jesus had previously authorized unclean animals for food, what was Peter doing refusing them at this late stage? Obviously Jesus had never done this. And the vision could not have been simply an instruction about clean VS unclean meats, for Peter was “greatly perplexed about the meaning of the vision.” He knew there was a deeper meaning to the vision. Peter quickly came to understand that the vision taught that GENTILES were not unclean, and that he could associate with them without becoming contaminated: Acts 10:28 “You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with, or go to one of another nation. But God has shown me that I should not call ANY MAN common or unclean” And by continuing to read, we come to a place where Peter tells the whole story, leaving no doubt that this was the real meaning of the vision. (Note, in Acts 11:2-18 that Peter says nothing about unclean foods now being acceptable to eat - because that had nothing to do with the vision). So here in the very next chapter we see that the vision was to tell Peter that the Gospel was now for the Gentiles as well. This was a very significant point in time. That is why angels and visions were employed to direct the early church. Now the Gospel was to go to the Gentiles and this of course was a very important direction.
8. In his letters to the Romans and Corinthians Paul addressed the implications for Christians of the widespread practice in the Gentile world of offering flesh foods to idols. The issue among the early Christians was not about eating meat as such, (there was never an issue about vegetarianism in the early Christian church), but about whether the eating of meat offered to idols was an act of worship. See 1 Corinthians 8 and 1 Corinthians 10:20-28. Those strong in their faith did not believe that eating meat offered to idols was an act of worship, and thus they would eat all (edible) things which had been offered to idols. Those who did not have such strong faith used only vegetables, which were not offered to idols. Paul urged: Romans 14:2 “Accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One man has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.” Romans 14:20-21 “Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offence. It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.” This was not a campaign for or against vegetarianism, for vegetarianism was not an issue at this time in history. Unless Paul is contradicting other New Testament scripture than he has to be referring to all clean meats being “clean,” which would have been a foregone conclusion in those days and not required clarification. We also have no other Scriptural evidence to indicate that unclean animals had been authorized for food. The latter would NOT have even been considered as edible, whether offered to idols or not. 9. In discussion of end time events, God still calls swine and mice, among other things, “detestable”: Isaiah 66:17 “… who eat SWINE'S FLESH, DETESTABLE THINGS, and mice, shall COME TO AN END altogether, declares the Lord” 10. Some are always bound to quote verses 4 and 5 of the passage 1 Timothy 4:1-5, saying that you can eat anything if “sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” But note the context which is found in verse 3 of this passage: “meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving.” God did not create unclean animals to be eaten by man and God would never sanctify something He explicitly condemns as an abomination. So what then is being referred to in the above passage? The answer is found in verses 1-3. The passage refers to “latter times” of a Church that “departs from the faith” and “speaks lies in hypocrisy that has their conscience seared with a hot iron” and that also “forbids to marry, and commands to abstain from certain meats on certain days.” So which Church forbids to marry and says you cannot eat certain foods on certain days? Not a difficult question. Thus this passage is not contradictory to the rest of God's Word and the author is actually saying that every clean creature is perfectly adapted and suitable to its intended purpose. The passage is not saying that everything created can be eaten! Who wants to argue that skunks, rats, mice, lizards and scorpions are good for food? And remember anon to drink semen, it's a great source of protein!
>unprovoked /christian/ schizo ramblings in a completely unrelated thread Truly the most cancerous board.
I read somewhere years ago that iron reinforces a plant's woody portions so I'm giving my osage orange bushes some iron, potassium, and magnesium supplements. Will post results if it kills the plants. One of the plants got minor frostbite before I decided it was too cold and brought it in (all the leafs died but I think the root system is still strong) so we'll see if it bounces back in the next couple weeks. It was the only plant I didn't treat with insecticide when bringing indoors since I left it out for a couple frosts to see how much these plants could handle.
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First year ever trying to garden something and it's turned out almost half-decent given the circumstances >bought seeds in mid-March for peas, peppers, bunching onion, and tomatoes >didn't know the peas needed something to grab onto to grow, so they'd fall over limp and try to grab onto something before giving up and dying >accidentally planted way too much bunching onion in one pot, probably a hundred or so sprouts that stopped growing after a certain point since there was nowhere left for the roots to go, removed most of them and cut them into small bits and left a few in the pot, these grew almost instantly into their full size. flavor was great, nice oniony taste. >peppers also turned out pretty well, didn't know that one plant would produce so many so I had quite a few peppers that I didn't know what to do with. mixed a bunch of them into my lunch one day along with cayenne pepper and chili powder, wanted to die for the next hour or so it was so spicy. still have a handful growing right now despite the cold weather. >tomatoes turned out quite sad, planted two seeds in one pot and let them both grow together. they also ran into the same problem as the peas since they needed something to latch onto, despite what the old lady at the hardware store said. found a piece of green rubber fencing, stuck a large stick and metal stake through it, and they grew up it quite nicely. later bought an actual tomato cage since they began to ourgrow that as well. took a really long fucking time to produce anything (two tiny fruits, one of which was molded), currently has 5 tomatoes on it right now, and despite it being in the mid-50s and the plants looking like pic related I am still waiting on those tomatoes to ripen. all in all a good learning experience. will wait until next June to plant something against since I'm planning moving soon. what should I try next time?
>>44080 >peppers You can always dry hot chili peppers for later use. Or were they sweet peppers? >tomatoes >moldy Blossom end rot, maybe. Tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, etc. can always benefit from calcium supplements. >what should I try next time? I would suggest trying either cherry tomatoes or current tomatoes or if you want big fruits maybe try determinate tomatoes. Depending on where you are, temperature and growing season wise, I always like to suggest amaranth as a crop. Radishes, mustards, and other greens can make good spring and fall crops too. And nothing is quite as rewarding as growing pumpkins, just stay away from maxmias if it's your first time due to the vine bored problem.

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