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Alternative history thread Strelok 07/09/2021 (Fri) 15:42:02 No.17124
This thread includes alternative history wars, conflicts, weapons, tactics and more. For instance >Axis victory proxy wars >Their equipment >East centered world, conflicts And more
>>33305 >dat spoiler If we want to go by the leaked geopositioning from some politicians and the names of nearby islands, they probably were discovered already and stripped of anything important decades ago. If they announce a discovery it will probably be a completely invented thing with no relation to the real thing.
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>>33215 I know the basic scenario of the Axis reaching naval parity with the US in the Atlantic is retarded outside of HoI, but my question pertained more to a Decisive Darkness'd Imperial Japan """winning""" against all odds. I'm curious as to what sort of policy Imperial Japan could pursue post-nuclear-WW2 with all the big guys who were executed for war crimes OTL still being around and what kind of gains the US would be pushing for in the peace conference.
>>33273 This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. What happened to the jungles? Why there wouldn't be jungles, earth was multiple times way more hotter then this and didn't end like this. And it's impossible atleast by us to return to those periods.
>>33806 Of course over long enough time, if Antarctica were ice free, there would be less water as the crust rebounds. On a side note, I wonder what the weather patterns of a temperate polar region would be like? And how would animal and plant life adapt to the midnight sun and then polar night?
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If France backstabbed the British by way of a fascist coup during Fall Gelb then teamed up with the Germans and Italians after it became clear the eternal Anglo wouldn't let them give humanitarian military assistance to the beleaguered remnants of the Spanish nationalists in Galicia would it be enough perform a Sea Lion? Image unrelated.
>>35297 That's pretty much what happened IRL. All you've done is move up the dates by a week or two.
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>>35308 ITL the Germans never reach French territory due to the coup happening early on in the campaign, there's no surrender, no german occupation and the French navy stays loyal instead of hiding in Algeria only to get bombed by the RAF, also the SCW ended in 1939 OTL while it's still ongoing by 1940 ITL. It all starts with the French providing military assistance like Germany and Italy did to the Republicans with international brigades never getting shut down, naturally French gear finds its way to church-burning communists who proceed to create multiple waves of refugees fleeing to France as the Nationalists lose territory. This creates organized anti-socialist fascist sentiments among the French populace and government, making France somewhat more politically paralyzed than it was OTL though the French air force gets some degree of combat experience from fighting the Germans and Italians in Spain. France withdraws its volunteers in early 1939 due to the Republicans' overwhelming advantage over the Nationalists who've been pushed to Astorias and Galicia, but just as the French request the Republicans return some of the heavier weapons they've been given CNT-FAI declares war on the Republican government, needlessly prolonging the war and further lowering the opinion of socialist movements among rural Frenchmen. French nationalists and fascists begin plans to usurp the centre-left government by moving left-leaning army units to German and Belgian borders for the expected confrontation there so they'll be too busy fighting the Boche to interfere with the military coup in Paris. This works and the fourth French Republic is proclaimed mere days after the Germans begin to advance into Belgium, the entire BEF is interned with Churchill seething given the probability that the French might solve the Spanish problem by force threatening Gibraltar. Would FDR still back the British in this case or would he consider enacting War Plan Red?
What would have happened if the Pacific War goes on longer, and the soviets manage to capture the whole of the Korean peninsula before Japan capitulates? I remember someone once saying that a unified Korea would be a big deal, but what if it was never split to begin with?
>>35470 Perhaps the lack of an rival government on his land frontier makes the develpoment of the Kim's cult less effective due to less paranoia. This could lead, if the Soviets fall basically same as OTL, to 2 possible outcomes: -Gommies policy is as shitty as altas, which plus less actual worshipping of the leader leads to the Kims being either sidelined or outright purged by the army, which probably after adopts a dengist economic model to turn the economic un. That could make Korea a more economically developed country with an autoritharian government, although less distopian that OTL. -Perhaps, due to overreliance in Soviet gibs, the government collapses like in Eastern Europe by revolution. Im not sure of this outcome with the chinks near though.
>>35477 Would a unified Gommie/Juche-light Korea necessitate a larger JMSDF? With no land border to any enemy states there's no reason for Koreans not to build a navy that's somewhat less of a meme than the one OTL and there'd be slightly fewer naval bases for the US to fuck with the Chinese in the Yellow Sea.
After playing some Total War Shogun 2, I got the idea of a Sengoku-Jidai sitauation in England. The premise is that Harold Godwinson wins the battle of Hastings, and maintains Anglo-Saxon rule over England. However, later instability caused by Godwinson running roughshod over his vassals leads to a civil war between him and Edgar Aetheling (1072-1074), which is barely won by Edgar. The cost for this victory is the stronger presence of the Witangemot and the up-and-coming thegn and huscarls. These warriors, the knights of England who serve their eorls, gradually gain strength until the first fyrdseorl takes power from the practically powerless grandson of Edgar in 1142. The fyrdseorl, like the Japanese Shogun, is the defacto ruler of England, ruling dynastically or electively as needed. After several dynasties of fyrdseorls come and go, England devolves into a state of civil war, the Warringrikes Tide, where the eorls and thegns of England fight amongst each other while the royalty in London keep to themselves. Many of these eorls are ambitious in becoming the next fyrdseorl, but which among them have the ability to achieve such a task? Criticism and comments welcome, /k/
What if Hitler had applied to a prestigious art school in the USA and was accepted?
>>37710 Isn't there a bad DLC for Medieval TW that is kinda this?
>>37795 Yeah, there's Thrones of Britannia which takes place during the era after Alfred the Great, but what you're thinking of is the Brittania campaign from Medieval II: Kingdoms. That one was set in 1258.
>>37710 This is actually intresting, this would mostlikely make the world quite diffrent. And even english too. Since england isn't in the best of shape this would mean that some of the colonial powers more powerful or even new colonial powers then otl. >>37794 We could probably get hitler working in disney. And probably some weird ass shit. But who knows who will start ww2
How would the world look if Kissinger had been thrown out and America never signed the One China policy?
>>17124 does anyone feel like playing vicky 2 or hoi 4? https://t.me/politics_news_debates hit me up bros
What would be the lingua franca of Europe if the French allied with Hitler and Mussolini against the UK and won the second world war? OTL we have Anglospeak because the burger Empire forced everyone to adopt Anglo as the dominant common language through Jew-Jitsu, but in a multipolar fascist Europe adopting a natural language ostensibly tied to a single existing nation(ality) wouldn't work outside of perhaps German client states in the former Soviet Union, a common language would also be sorely needed in the Axis' African colonies. Would Latin fit this purpose as the bridge language used in inter-European relations, with Esperanto used in Africa in case the negroes can't be enlightened according to plan? If darkies proved themselves capable of learning Latin, what unholy pidgin/creole abomination would its use bring forth with time?
>>41522 >What would be the lingua franca of Europe The war was for resources and later banking because Germany was offloading their debt onto America/Great Britain. Why would anyone be speaking a different language today? If the French had allied with the Germans during WWI we'd be speaking German-English dual fluency in America, but I don't think WWII had a significant impact on European languages that would have changed much by a different party winning unless that language happens to be Russian/Ukrainian/Polish. Maybe Africa would be speaking even more French I guess?
>>41528 Europeans wouldn't be speaking different informal languages but if the Axis doesn't collapse in on itself post-WW2 they'd have to use some bridge language for inter-European business relations unless they expect their citizenry to either turtle up at home and seldomly leave their countries which wouldn't happen on the grounds of mass motorization alone or become proficient in 4+ languages/hire translators for everything. It's also an absolute necessity for cold war NATO-style multinational military cooperation, having a standard fallback language for functional communication between units of different nationalities/ethnicities is very useful as Austria-Hungary found out the hard way during the Great War.
>>41522 >if the French allied with Hitler and Mussolini against the UK and won the second world war? wew it would likely be some LARP latin-derrived language like esperanto
Also the reason I suggested Latin is due to its long use as a formal language by the Church and to a lesser degree scientific institutions, so the Axis wouldn't start from scratch should they decide to adopt it.
>>39004 Two possibilities. First, the USSR leaves the UN and condemns it, forming an opposing organization in parallel. Unrestrained by the UN, bipolarity increases. Second, America draws to détente with the USSR to isolate China. >>41522 France, Italy, and Spain would probably split off in a Latin block while Germany keeps its Central/Eastern European colonies and the British Isles. The former would speak Latin in a push for better integration while the latter would speak German for the same reason, though with the intention of annexation. In what's left of the Allies, basically just South Africa, Canada, and America, it would be English, though there'd be civil strife in South Africa (Boers) and Canada (Quebecois). The language and future of the Middle East would be pretty muddled. The Latins would push for colonialism while the Germans would support pan-Arabism. The Japanese would support whoever they think would win but would be a stone throw away in India. Esperanto is completely off the table as it was seen as a Jewish invention.
>Frogs turn fascist and join up with the Italians and G*rms in 1940 >instead of Operation Barbarossa Italy, France and Germany do Sealion in summer of 41 >it succeeds due to declining RAF pilot reserves amid tactical mistakes by the Royal Navy owing to the crippling loss of military and civilian MI6 intelligence networks in mainland Europe following France's fasicst coup >following Scotland's secession from the United Kingdom coupled with Ireland, Spain and Yugoslavia joining the Axis along with the Royal Family's evacuation to Canada FDR sanctions all trade with Europe and threatens repercussions on any South American nation who doesn't fall in line, sending the USN to "shield" Venezuelan and Brazilian ports from fascist Q-ships and spies >South Africa tries their best to lead the remnant colonies of the British Empire against the advancing Axis forces but their only saving grace are central Africa's jungle logistics >former British colonies in the Levant rebel against their Anglo masters and join the Axis as client states >other middle eastern countries and some former colonies stay neutral for the time being >FDR extends the sanctions regime to Japan >Japan does Pearl Harbor, bringing the US officially into the war >early Pacific war happens similarly to OTL including a Midway analog boosting US morale >US declares war on neutral Portugal in order to capture Cape Verde, Portugal joins the Axis in response >a US invasion of Dakar happens the same day as Stalin's declaration of war on the Krauts >Allied gains are made but the Germans manage to stabilize their fronts quickly thanks to help from Persia, Baku's oilfields are destroyed by air raids >the French are more fucked and lose much of West Africa but manage to hold on in Benin >the Red Army is systematically eliminated by the Wehrmacht over the course of the year, Perso-Iraqi-German-Palestinian forces capture Baku in early 1943 and Moscow falls in summer amidst starvation and chaos due to long-range Axis bombing raids of critical lend-lease supply infrastructure >Stalin flees to Kyubshev only to be fatally poisoned by an unknown party causing the prompt collapse of the USSR into multiple warring factions while the Axis sit around the A-A line at the limit of their logistical capacity, attempts to negotiate a peace deal are prevented by the presence of multiple factions claiming to be the real Soviet Union along with diplomatic envoys being killed by one faction in order to blame another to get the Germans to bomb the accused >the US until this point has been successfully island hopping in the Pacific and pushed the French to Nigeria while keeping the southern African front steady >but the loss of the USSR is deemed too devastating for morale so the centrally-controlled US Media prints propaganda about the Soviets heroically resisting fascism against all odds when in reality ex-Soviet Russian warlords are ramming T-34s with no ammo into each other in order to shatter the brittle steel of their enemies >against US fears the appearance of Germans in force on the African fronts has a smaller impact than anticipated due to the average eastern front German's lack of experience in Jungle and Desert warfare along with poorly coordinated logistics >it does result in an ever increasing attrition in the air though, which begins to have an effect on the Pacific campaign >the slow but steady growth of the Axis' green water naval presence further leads to conflicts in the USN as to the allocation of ships to each theatre, particularly light aircraft carriers as they are seen the best option to counter Axis naval bombers >declining Japanese aerial strength combined with the Axis' restrained use of Capital ships in favor of submarines and light cruisers leads the USN to allocate more CVEs and light cruisers to the Atlantic while the Pacific receives the bulk of Capitals to eliminate the IJN >FDR dies in October 1944 and is succeeded by Truman >Nationalist China surrenders to Japan in December 1944 following a failed assassination attempt on Chiang Kai-Shek by the US, this does not help the Japanese resource-wise since their merchant navy is mostly sunk but is a major political blow against the Allies >Hiroshima and Kokura are nuked in August 1945, but the Japanese do not surrender >Okinawa is nuked and captured by the US a month later but the Japs still refuse to surrender >at least intel reports say the sabotage acts at Naples were a success and that the Italians won't get new CVs for at least another year >US Africa command wants to push the Axis out of Nigeria entirely but the USN says they need more destroyers to patrol the Indian Ocean for unsolicited Axis cargo subs sending humanitarian aid to Japan and Japanese-puppeteered China >the USN gets its way on this as Operation Downfall will need gorillions of ships anyway, but a renewed offensive into Nigeria is prepared anyway owing to a decrease in Axis air and submarine raids >the offensive kicks off on february 17, taking the Axis by surprise with Allied forces overrunning defensive lines >a day prior the USN spots what appears to be a decently-sized Kriegsmarine fleet consisting of a Battleship, several heavy cruisers, screens and a CVL heading towards an Allied convoy transporting cargo from Canada to Iceland >a CVBG consisting of USS Essex and USS Wasp escorted by USS Iowa alongside a regular screen of DDs and CAs/CLs is sent to intercept and eliminate it >but as the Axis flotilla gets within range of US carrier aircraft 4 additional aircraft carriers of French and Italian origin emerge out of a dense fogbank that had been obscuring part of the northern central Atlantic from US reconnaissance aircraft >by the time they're spotted it's too late for the USN CVBG to retreat, worse they sent too many fighters to escort the bombers to minimize losses against the german CVL of the bait flotilla >USN fighter pilots do their best to defend their carriers but they're at a massive numerical disadvantage and are all shot down >every capital ship of the CVBG is lost to Baguetti aircraft save for Iowa who somehow manages to remain afloat after tanking 8 torpedo hits >she gets towed to Canada only to find out that a german submarine launched a navalized V1 containing Sarin right at Manhattan in the middle of the night, causing a panic with over a hundred casualties >then as the USN scrambles to move every fucken CVN they have on standby to the Atlantic and US propagandists try to figure out how to best explain to the goyim that ideologically inferior national socialist filth managed to penetrate the impenetrable US air defence screen to launch chemical weapons which they should be too stupid to produce at the unsuspecting populace with no air raid sirens going up because of bureaucratical errors in radar maintenance scheduling >this is followed by a large high altitude bombing raid on NY by German strategic bombers, the damage is negligible and most are shot down by the USAF but the citizens start asking questions >3 days after the Axis naval victory in the North Atlantic several large Axis fleets containing every Capital ship in their inventory are spotted heading for and converging on Bermuda, including several ships thought to be under construction >the USN sends its remaining 5 operational CVs in the Atlantic off to battle aided by a few CVLs, though 2 of the CVs are in a questionable state of preparation due to being pressed into service mid-refit >3 CVs are lost with only one Axis carrier sunk in return, reinforcements from the Pacific are delayed due to the entire timetable for Operation Downfall getting thrown out the window >Bermuda is captured hours later at the cost of 3 additional Axis CVs to land-based aircraft and a few heroic carrier planes launched from suicidal CVEs >the next morning propaganda pamphlets containing photographs of the first successful Axis nuclear test in the Arctic are parachuted over Boston for the lols >US forces capture the entire Nigerian coastline from the French in a stunning victory for democracy and freedom >Truman orders 4 additional nukings of Japan, then sues for Peace What would the European Axis and the US demand from each other, and what would happen to Japan? Would there be any "decolonization" of Africa in the ensuing cold war, and would the continent see a degree of industrialization/civilization it didn't OTL due to the need to supply large armies at the colonial border between France and the US? How would FDR and Truman be described in US history books 40-50 years down the line?
>>42513 Not taking into account all of the problems with this scenario, including the failed mentions of other Balkan states, French Indochina, and the Raj: >Axis-US Peace? Assuming that the war doesn't escalate into nuclear attacks against the United States, particularly the Mid-Atlantic, Truman would demand access through the Suez and Gibraltar, and neutrality in the Raj, French, Portugese, Belgian, and Spanish Africa, and the recognition and aid of a friendly Soviet successor state. The Axis would demand recognition of territorial gains in Europe, Scotland, Ireland's control over Ulster, the reorganized English state, the established governments in the Middle East, and of both Japan's gains in China and its state led by Puyi, and neutrality in Iran and Scandinavia, and immediate peace at current territorial gains and losses with Japan, and lifting of all embargos, and free and unrestricted trade through the Panama Canal and with South America, and the recognition of any future state which liberates itself from Soviet successors (i.e. the various Central Asian states, Outer Manchuria), and a plebiscite in Commonwealth members and the African holdings formerly held by Axis countries over neutral independence. I highly doubt that this would be accepted, considering Truman's zeal and foolishness, but these would be demands in my cursory opinion. The plebiscites are probably the most unrealistic. >Fate of Japan? They'd parade themselves as having won the greater victory, having completed conquest of China at the loss of Pacific holdings. However, eight to ten nuclear attacks would be cause for public outrage unless they can take perception away from that. Germany and France would help rebuild the nation while a Northern campaign for the Siberian coastline under the justifications of peacekeeping and economic security would be waged, though mostly by foreign troops as Japanese troops would be more focused on quelling rioting and reconstruction efforts at home. Whether the outcome is the organization of the previously mentioned friendly Soviet successor as a puppet or a Russian Manchuria is anyone's guess. I'd expect an economic miracle to occur as in real life, but the Americans would be replaced by Germans. While the more zealous would throw a hissing fit over their existence, I doubt that the Japanese would ever see the East Indies or Indochina outside of economic influence by the zaibatsu. >Decolonization and Industrialization of Africa? I'm extremely doubtful of the latter and certain of the former. Germany would be far more eager than even the real Soviets to push anti-colonialist messages, especially since the new states wouldn't have to adopt anything similar to Soviet socialism. Industrialization would only work in sparse cases, but Truman's popularity would be in the dumps as peacehawks are vindicated. I don't see anything similar to the Marshall Plan happening in Africa that isn't in name only. >Legacy of FDR and Truman? FDR would be seen as more of a patriot than he is in real life, a Lincoln-type figure who died too early. Truman would be divisive, if he wasn't voted out or impeached and agreed to peace, in that he agreed to a loss for the free world but kept the US from waging a war that would be unwinnable for allies that never did much of anything for the United States.
>>42796 >Balkans The Greco-Italian war was narrowly avoided due to French pressure on the Italians not to waste resources needed for conquering the British Isles, Greece initially signed a nonaggression pact and joined the Axis upon the UK's fall. Their mountaineers greatly contributed to the Axis victory during the Caucasus campaign. Yugoslavia was pressured into joining the Axis a bit later than OTL, they did not participate in Sealion and only sent a minimum token force to the eastern front. Germans giving ethnic minorities in the former USSR "independence" during and after the war has led to a mild to moderate increase in separatist views among parts of the population. Romania lost Transylvania to Hungary in the Second Vienna Award, but in return captured and annexed Odessa from the Soviets. Bulgaria is Bulgaria, and Albania is an Italian protectorate. >Raj Didn't mention it because I'm still not entirely sure how prone it'd be to collapse without the UK. >Far east Would the US really just let the Germans/French/Italians rebuild its economically and physically ruined main adversary in Asia? The USN ITL holds total sway over East Asian waters in 1946, New Caledonia might be returned and given some leverage but Japan itself is certain to see trade restrictions and/or the demilitarization of a few islands, if I were the US I'd force them into neutrality at minimum. Also I forgot to mention this but the post-Soviet Russian civil war is still ongoing at the world war's end and has bled into China with the Chinese Communists and a large Soviet-style Russian warlord supporting each other, the CCP receiving "modern" Russian weapons from surviving Soviet-era factories with the intent to crush the supply-constrained Japanese military occupation and their bankrupt puppet administrations toregain the mandate of Heaven, upon which the heroic Russian warlord ally shall receive free Chinese cannon fodder for proving his legitimacy over other warlords by conquering them and crushing the German oppressors past the Urals in an epic battle for the future of Socialism Germans aren't as strong as they seem on paper due to constant guerilla activity, rioting, sabotage, and brutal murders of German colonists in the east that even with the Reichspropagandaministerium trying its best to hide it have ground the planned Lebensraum expansion to a halt on top of an overstretched economy struggling to bankroll the shitshow that is RK Moskowien along with rebuilding all the other newly founded RK-turned-client states. >Northern Campaign If that were to happen then either in the form of foreign-backed warlords duking it out for supremacy, or the US creating an East Russian Republic based in Magadan for anti-fascist humanitarian purposes.
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What if Carter/Reagan had permitted the export of US fighter aircraft to West Taiwan, with the legitimate government of China adopting the F-20 just before the end of the cold war? How would the Tigershark compete in the post-cold war export markets of Europe, South America and the Middle East? Would the damage incurred from simulated F-16 losses to Tigersharks in combat trials conducted by prospective buyers lead Lockheeb into a slightly more aggressive modernization path for the F-16? Would the F-20 being sold to and used by US allies have any effect on the ATF and JAST/JSF programs?
>>42809 >Would the US Let Germans Rebuild? It depends on whether Truman is allowed to stay in office. Letting an American city be gassed would be grossly incompetent to the point of impeachment, and Congress would feel the pressure of a nuclear power on America's doorstep. Since the Succession Act didn't exist, the next president would either be voted for in a snap election (probably Dewey vs Thurmond, though any non-interventionist Democrat would probably try to throw his hat in) or appointed by Congress. The latter is a hellish scenario since whoever is put in charge would either be a puppet of the party or someone the Democrats would tout as tougher but more competent than Truman. However, anyone who is put in charge has to cow to Germany or else they'll be remembered as worse than Truman because they'll have let a United States soil be nuked. The best they could demand might be limited demilitarization of Japan and the allowance of American companies to take part in reconstruction and for a joint oversight committee to be made. However, so many nuclear strikes would likely mean that the Japanese military is already in shambles. The election scenario would naturally allow someone more amicable to be at the table with the Germans, but it would likely be a snap election.
>>43128 Wasn't the AIDS F-CK China, essentially a homemade F-20?
>>33309 >leaked geopositioning from some politicians and the names of nearby islands Ok, not him but I'm interested, can you be more specific/point me in the right direction?
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>>43128 >over9000hours MSPaint shitpost based on some obscure chinese cartoon from the 80s I made before even cuckchan was cucked finally posted by another person a decade later You are my greatest ally krautanon, and not only because of paying my denbts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlLV2ExI9o
>>44011 I don't really understand why some anons get really emotional over someone else posting an image he or she edited
>>44218 >being too autistic to understand basic human feelings It's fine, you are in good company here.
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>>44218 > he or she Did you just ASSUME I'm binary?!
If the HMS Lion had been lost with all hands including Sir David Beatty during the initial Battlecruiser engagement at the battle of Jutland, what ramifications would this have had on the battle itself and on British naval strategy in the years to come?
Here is my recent Alt-History posting nya~ >>44237 Nice nya~
>>44418 Thanks but 49% yourself, tripnigger, desu.
>>44448 Nein nya~
>>42513 Okay, let's say soon after WWI the French government screwed up so much that even Versailles robbery does not quite cover this mess. And some pompous idiot said something wildly unpopular on public. And/or overeager local Communists jumped the gun with a failed coup. Then some gentleman known to us as "Le Coq" rides the wave of rhetoric to the effect that the war was stupid at day one, their puppet government sucks more than those newfangled vacuum cleaners, and being puppets of Brits cannot lead to anything wholesome ever. Reminds of England being their traditional enemy and anything unpleasant coming from it, too. Many wince, but hey, it's a pillar of sanity compared to Robespierre and his ilk. The veterans generally abstain or support, so the nationalist movement spins up and their coup succeeds. Then they fight off various local loons (and maybe haphazard interbrigades) and join the European Anti-Communist club. So far, not entirely impossible. But why would they and how could they ally with Germans too close? There are several thorny issues. Let alone actually wage a war against Brits? France is not desperate. Favorable trade conditions and mutual support against Brits and Communists with the rest of the bloc, sure. But not much beyond this. >>44454 Why are you trying to argue with a bot?
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>>44737 My personal headcannon is that the French government decides to be less neutral than historically in the Spanish civil war and sends their own Legion Condor equivalent over there in order to stimulate the war economy and show everyone how relevant France still is as a great power. The Spanish Republic gradually wears down the Spanish State, but as they do so they keep murdering clerics and razing civilian settlements so hard France and Europe by proxy experience somewhat of a refugee crisis which pisses off the Church and much of France's right wing while making the Krauts and Italians slightly less evil in mainstream media for providing humanitarian aid to the Nationalists. The refugees are weaponized into making the French government look like degenerate heretics for aiding the Red Terror by France's growing right wing opposition, Britain eventually drops out after the fucken reds use French-supplied tanks adorned with the heads of their enemies as decoration in the Sevilla holocaust of late 1938, the French government suspends all lend-lease to the Spanish Republic in January 1939 and withdraws its volunteers. Hitler meanwhile does Hitler things, albeit being aware of France's increasingly dysfunctional government he tends to avoid the topic of Elsaß-Lothringen in order to keep the French somewhat divided. The Spanish Nationalists keep losing territory with refugees continuing to flow into Europe through Gnahzee NGOs :^) even as tensions between the Great Powers build up, the French left wing doing their best to cite the rapid German rearmament as reason for their continued existence while the French right wing argues that the Germans would've never been able to do so if not for Left-France's disgusting war conduct fueling pro-fascist sentiment across the continent. While this is going on France decides to recall some guns, artillery pieces and the occasional light tank that were loaned to the Spanish Republic, they agree as the Spanish State is on its last legs in Galicia with the Germans and Italians having largely stopped their regular lend-lease supplies but then the various Soviet-supplied groups largely responsible for the red terror remove the Republican government only to purge each other into open warfare the moment after. A vote of no confidence against Daladier follows, but it's aborted mid-session due to German tourists crossing the Polish border. As WW2 kicks off French authorities try to shut down the French Right wing though media censorship, but they can't do a whole lot other than screech at Hitler due to a significant portion of the French armed forces holding less than favorable views of their civilian leaders and Swiss journalists observing the conditions at refugee camps. During the phony war the French right prepare to coup the government in the hopes of stopping the war before it can escalate into another trench bloodbath, they do this by putting as many leftists as they can on the German border while hunting for unpatriotic traitors within their own ranks, which is where they discover an eerie amount of MI6 glow in the darks snooping as usual. An ebin spy crusade ensues that's just successful enough to catch MI6niggers off guard when the coup happens on the same day Hitler has the Wehrmacht visit Belgium for the first time, the newly proclaimed 5th French Republic immediately signs a ceasefire with the Krauts not wanting to risk a repeat of 1870 and soon after a peace treaty in which Belgium has to surrender Eupen-Malmedy to Germany leaving Hitler content as the stunned British recall the BEF troops stationed in France. Over the summer Hitler, Mussolini, Petain and punished Franco discuss ways to solve the Spanish problem, direct military involvement is considered but ruled out due to the ongoing war between Britain and Germany. Instead they agree to arm and train able-bodied Spanish refugees en masse as "volunteers", ship them off to Spain and have them defeat the anarcho-syndicalist bandits scouring the Iberian wasteland with "volunteer" air support from the Great Powers. In exchange the Balearic islands are split between France and Italy, with a super sekrit clause that permits Spain to reclaim Gibraltar in the event of unforeseen circumstances involving the British. MI6 gets wind of this but somewhere down the line "cede the Balearic islands in exchange for lend-lease and in the event of unforeseen circumstances involving Britain a reclamation of Gibraltar" turns into "cede the Balearic islands in exchange for Gibraltar" due to a faulty cipher and the agent transmitting the message getting captured before he was able to finish according to official sources, though some argue the agent may have done this deliberately at the same time a French merchant ship is sunk by a British submarine in the south Atlantic having been mistaken for a German Q-Ship. Churchill immediately screeches out a declaration of war against everyone who pissed on his empire, the French, Germans and Italians rapidly move into Iberia, Portugal joins the alliance that would later be known as the Axis powers and Gibraltar is lost to anti-semitic forces which leads into >>42513 How retarded is this on a scale from alternatehistory.com to Ace Combat?
Americans want to live in a police state because Americans are terrified that their neighbor might start a pig farm next to their house, but who owns your neighbor's home? Do you really think that freedom doesn't benefit you? Do you think that you are exempt from tyranny? Do you realize that freedom is a two-way street? If you want your neighbor to go to jail for having a flag-pole, don't be surprised when you are arrested for owning a driveway. Can't you solve problems without a law? Can't you talk to those who bother you? Couldn't you just move away? Do Americans realize that the US used to be a free country? Do Americans know that the Soviet Union failed?
>>45516 >All this Simple americans are dumb. Always have been and now are twice since people are more dumber then before
>>45516 This is an old bot, saw it on oneech.an or something nya~ >>47834 Since Lincoln was assassinated the US (((regime))) has been systematically and increasingly anti-White and anti-Intellect, and pro-nigger nyaa~
>>45516 >tf >tp At least I don’t have to ask permission from my village council to repaint my door, yurokek
Let's say the German and Italian attempts to transport European tech to glorious Nippon see a considerably higher rate of success than they did in OTL until Overlord at least. What gaijin tech would see the most practical use within the Nipponese militaries given political constraints IJA-IJN infighting, Zaibatsu jewry, and what gnahzee invention would best serve Nippon's strategic needs from a purely military(-industrial) perspective? The IJA put a cache of german MG151s onto a few dozen Ki-61s when Nippon was getting B-29'd and the tried to get Jet+Rocket propulsion from the Krauts too, going as far even as to make a Me-163 clone and a weeb Me 262 without swept wings from what little could be obtained. If Nips got their hands on a DB-605AM, would the Ki-100 never exist in its radial powered form and would the introduction of MW50 in up-engined Ki-61s assuming they can manage to produce clone engines in sufficient numbers slightly reduce the damage incurred by Nip industry from B-29 raids? Would Mitsubishi try to sabotage Kawasaki for stealing the Raiden's spotlight should MW50'd Hiens prove themselves as effective high-altitude interceptors despite not being explicitly designed as such?
>>49714 O-I heavy tanks seeing the light of day?
>>18346 I think you can make a plausible argument for America's economy collapsing. We made a lot of loans to the British during WW1 even before officially joining, and just them losing and getting saddled with reparations would be bad news all on its own, never mind what would happen if the Empire was exiled to Canada and the socialist revolution in the home island refused to honor the debt. >>19649 Executing John Brown would be a great start.
>>47834 >tf >tp
>>54344 >>tf >>tp Speak english, colonist
>>54355 Quite so.

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