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/out/doorsmanship Strelok 12/05/2020 (Sat) 03:47:46 No.10262
A thread dedicated to camping, hiking, traveling, outdoor sports, and general outdoorsmanship. The fresh open air, clear blue skies, ice-cold white winters, and grey-black storms that threaten fire and flash floods are your domain Strelok. What will you make of it? Have you done any camping in the last year? Are you making sure to get that D get sunlight for your eyes and general health? Even in a concrete jungle there's usually great secrets to be found with a little time, exploration, and innovation.
>>17442 >People using actually bought knives from high grade steel, caring for it, using it for work. >Me, found an shitty dull kitchen knife with reasonably thick blade, sharpened to a workable blade, uses it for carving wood and cutting my steak. Am I wrong? Or am I just a poorfag?
>>17452 If it works it works man.
>>17452 Knife is merely a sharpened piece of metal. If it works then it's good enough.
>>17452 Depends on the application. I hate niggers who use other people's knife tips as a flathead screwdriver. My favorite everyday carry knife is an incredibly cheap piece of fucking garbage $1.50 Walmart pocket knife. I use it maybe 1-5 times a day at work to cut through shit when dull scissors won't cut it or when I forget a butter knife for spreading something, sharpen it every 10 uses or so for a few minutes, and it works great. Probably wouldn't survive stabbing someone more than twice, but who gives a shit?
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>>11625 >have some friends I wanted to take with me as well >I would like the food to be fairly soft, if possible Now here is the thing. There is a reason imho, why most prepared meals are either powdered, ground, or dried somehow. Soft condition often means not a great shelf life, unless it's a fluid to begin with. Maybe when stuff is frozen stiff, but that is another thing. At least that's how I get it. This is why you can get milk powder, or some syrups you need to mix with water. Also why ppl usually recommend solid fats over oils. What you can do is soak whatever you take with you, and/or cook it. So extra water, will do magic. If you can prepare a rich soup or stew this would be best I guess. Does not take long either. You could use canned food as a base (veggies like beans a.o.), add cut stuff from packs for taste (e.g. dry sausage, meat, spices), let it soak well and soften. Something warm gives a good feel in your tummy. Stove, pot, water, heat tablets (as fire starters) take up space, keep that in mind, but you can use the pot as container, an advantage I guess. If you are a group everyone can pack a bit more, too. And it should come way cheaper than buying fancy processed foods. I consider such emergency foods, rather for when you really have the need. For onnaway rations when you cannot/don't wanna stop, crackers and muesli/candy bars is good to give an energy boost. Even without decent dentures your rascals should be able to munch them. Just don't get extra hard to bite ones, e.g. with whole nuts. They can keep them packed, break pieces off and just suck. When dissolved in the mouth, swallow. Is how I do it too.
Have a TRS x8 stinger throwing knife and made a Paracord handle for it. I do not have a sheath or a holster for it and don't know where to find one able to be attached to molle gear. How useful is it for outdoorsman use?
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>>19758 >TRS x8 stinger throwing knife, do not have a sheath or holster, don't know where to find one able to be attached to molle gear. If you get a sheath, glue/sew/stud molle patch to one side? I would try fix it in two ways (for fail safety). If you get none try make one: Solid thick plastic, cut out two-sided sheath form (leave some room for tip and blade, tighter at the opening/handle end). Press to bend down (like in a vice), glue/melt ends together (plastic should melt). Sew sheath all around so it will hold together, should work imho. Maybe reinforce opening end with an extra layer of material all around. Making your own it will be easier to add a hook, molle patch, what you want to it. You can use other material (leather, rugged cloth), glue sheet metal (brass lining) to inside, to not cut the sheath too much from inside when sliding the knife in and out. For inspiration: diy knife sheath - websearch >How useful is it for outdoorsman use? >>17453 >>17469 especially >>17477 Have fun using it, don't abuse it. Seems like an okay knife, you have to test tbh. Don't forget a whetstone. Report back.
Do you think a Japanese futon would be good for camping if lined with an additional insulating layer of newspaper would work for spring/autumn nights? My thought process is that the bed one sleeps in could also be the bed one sleeps in when camping or bugging out. Therefore it will make anon more relaxed when camping away from home. It takes up about the same space as a cot anyways, and doubles as back armor against smaller munitions unlike a cot.
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Luckily the next best mountain range is only an hours train ride away from my central european city so I can prepere for the imminent collapse I have never done something like that before and am scared of the wild. The only camping experience I have was in camping grounds which can hardly be considered wilderness. So I have a few questions. Please be patient, I'm a newfag. Do you think boars and other wild animals, perhaps even wolfs, a danger for camping in the middle of nowhere? How do I best protect myself against that without guns? Machete, axe? Can you pls spoonfeed me a newbie packing guide of some sort, Strelok kun? Any ressources. I want to stop planning and thinking and finally take action.
>>19753 I already have an alcohol stove to boil me some instant noodles, so that's what I would eat. But in the long run I would also need something more nutritious that's cheap and can be easily prepared.
>>34354 >Chance of wild animals Look up what predators reside in the region you are in or near. Adjust accordingly. Against everything? Look big and be prepared to chuck something at it if it approaches anyways, but do not stoop to pick up whatever you chuck at it. Pretty much everything will avoid you because humans are more trouble than they are worth and are a fairly shitty source of meat. Mountain Lions and black bears can be warded off with a moderate stick, sap, or cudgel. Boars can too but not without injuries that will require immediate medical attention. If bit by a snake it depends since 80-90% aren't poisonous, but just avoid those fuckers since the alternative is a very slow and painful walk back to the nearest civilization or lying down and hoping paramedics/park rangers get to you in time. Wolves don't bother humans directly unless they are tundra wolves or fucking hungry, so they aren't really a concern unless camping alone. Same with coyotes for desert environments. If you are camping alone then keep a fire going in wolf-infested areas. In general: Keep a bell attached to your pack or belt to generally ward off mountain predators and keep a walking stick on hand for self defense, maybe a sap cap. Leave the axe at camp where it belongs for chopping wood. >Newbie packing guide Go watch Yuru Camp. >A real packing guide For truck-camping (where you can haul everything in a truck or trailer to the camping destination) For late spring/early summer trips I'd probably take... >Enough water for however many days (assume a gallon for drinking and a gallon for drinking per day) >However much food you plan to eat that you don't plan to acquire >Ziplock bags for sealing waste >Hand sanitizer to remove smell on hands (and for sterilization after a poop or flocking in the warest >An axe for splitting wood >Toilet paper or sanitary wipes for doing your business >Tent >Cot and sleeping bag >Fire starter blocks >A hammer of some sort for the tent pegs >A shovel/spade for burying your business >Whatever amenities you intend to bring with you >Any resources https://scouting4boysorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/boy-scout-handbook-1967-processed.pdf
>>34394 Thank you. That will get me started good. I guess the boy scouts guide is more for historical interest and on comradeship I will never experience
>>10354 Anon, I'm also a huge sperg who's living with his parents and currently undergoing job raining in trannynigger central . Try to make the best of it. Leech as much money as possible. Just be perpeared for the day when that won't be possible anymore.
>>34394 >open campfires against predators that may be problematic since it propably isn't legal to camp there
i started building a log cabin on public land and took a shit in a river
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>>34394 Hammocks seem a lot safer and easier to set up than tents. It seems like the best way for illegal camping innawoods. Anybody got experience with hammocks?
>>34466 That's pretty cool anon. Tell us more. How did you build the cabin?
>>34523 >that flying-saucer tent Lol. Where do I find this?
>>10287 >half the free sites are just guys saying it's ok to sleep in your car in a walmart parking lot americancamping.png
>>34394 >Same with coyotes for desert environments The coyotes are all over North America. There is speculation that the ones that re-introduced themselves into the North East US are likely coy-wolves that came south from Canada. I've seen one on a trail cam this winter that didn't seem to have much coyote in it at all. I also just now remembered where my missing trail cam is hanging.
>>34523 The last one looks mega comfy.
>>34531 I just went searching for hammock tents.
>>34536 >The coyotes are all over North America. There is speculation that the ones that re-introduced themselves into the North East US are likely coy-wolves that came south from Canada. So, is there any reason why they did not do that long time ago? I mean race mixing on such scale?
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I need to free myself of this isolation and prepare for SHTF. The cattle I'm sorrounded by won't be of any help in such a scenario. They'd even let themselves get locked into goyim camps. I wanna a form a group of similar minded individuals which would regularly gather for hiking events and similar. How do I go about doing this when I'm an autistic loser without any connections?
>>34785 You sound like a fed and the hour is nigh, do what you think is best.
>>34786 I'm not a fed and I don't know what is best
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>>34835 >>34786 Otherwise I wouldn't ask for advice, now would I? You are not being very helpful at all, anon. I am still kindly asking for advice since I really am at a loss for what to do. The only precautions for a SHTF scenario I have been making so far is aquiring a backpack with a tent and canned food. Right now I am leading a completely, socially alienated, effiminated lifestyle that is dictated by women and social welfare. It's a disorganized mess. I have lost track But the biggest issue I have is I will be on my own when the time comes...
>>34942 >>34942 >The only precautions for a SHTF scenario I have been making so far is aquiring a backpack with a tent and canned food. Go walking with it then, get used to carrying it, carrying it far, use this time innawoods to scout places you won't be found, think about scenarios you want to survive, what you'll need, use that tent on weekends(or weekdays if neet) you don't want to find yourself in a situation of the proverbial fan being covered in excrement and you can't even pitch your shelter in the dark now do you. One presumes you are in the land of the free, think about what scenarios you are preping for and make sure you have the equiptment or start collecting and using what you think you need. As for company??? People have to want to be around you as much as you them which won't be easy if you can't change out being an autistic loser, I'm sorry if that is troubling to hear but it's true especially if you see everyone around you as cattle. I was an autistic friendless loser in a small town in England. I went to all the pubs in the town and read books while overhearing conversations of others until I found one where most of the patrons weren't braindead losersmoaning about the state of things then became a barfly there. slowly and surely my knowledge from books I'd read hobbies I'd undertaken (brewing beer,cooking, camping, land rovers, weed growing, building computers) generated conversations with folk, some will be utter weirdos some will be boring cokeheads but I found a small group of friends who I did get on with, smoking helps in this regards it's a very social thing to do. My advice is work on your self; fitness and your knowledge and people will come to you. Also pls no shoot up school
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>>34948 Jmm, I thought interacting with people would make me a worthless normalfaggot. That's what I've been told all this years on my tibetan basket weaving forums. Was I wrong all these years? >Also pls no shoot up school noted
>>34961 That's Smug propaganda. >Was I wrong all these years? Ultimately up to you. The pragmatic approach that I take as a fellow autist is that social interactions create social circles you can rely on in emergencies, and you must learn to balance people taking advantage of you with people who deserve your goodwill. It just gets harder and harder to start as you get older but it's a skill that only grows in exchange once you start.
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>>34229 A legit ofuton is going to be fucking xbox hueg to carry around bro.
>>34961 This guy has it spot on >>34967, We're interacting now does a phone line and a computer make it any different?? If you can't make it on your own you're gunna need others, if you can make it alone great well done idc what you do if you're doing it right >>34785 >I wanna a form a group I gave advice on how I formed my group that go kamping several times a year and of that group I formed a smaller hiking group that meets every sunday to walk our dogs, drink beer and converse. Bonding if you will away from women. Once you learn that Europeans evolved to co-operate in not exclusively kin-groups to survive the harsh winters you half way to figuring out how to survive right. Depending on SHTF senario and length of time it will last chances are you will need to co-operate with others. Are there many military divisions of just one man? Why is that?
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>>34999 >We're interacting now does a phone line and a computer make it any different?? I can't speak for him, but from what I've observed, yes, it does make a difference for legit spergs; I think it's (at least in part) because the absence of nonverbal cues on both ends kinda levels the playing field for them. Source: younger brother is an actual sperg.
I'm looking for a new backpack (50-70L under 200 euros) for my /out/ings, since the one I have is falling appart. What would be Anon's recommendation? I don't like the modern look of most packs and fear that the quality might be shit for 5 years max. What backpack does Anon use?
>>35469 Honestly my current travel backpack is just a cheap single-pouch drawstring backpack that's lasted me the last couple years, but I remember swissgear was always a good economy brand that seemed to last and take a beating back in school.
>>35469 Surplus BW rucksack has been pretty good to me. Basic ~65L canvas bag with little to no frills or added comfort. Padding is adequate up to a point, anything beyond which is probably too much shit to be hauling around anyway. Add the groundmat for a little more rigidity and budget in for minor repairs (I replaced the shoulder-strap buckles as the originals slipped, and one of the zipper pulls came off which doesn't impact functionality enough for me to bother fixing it) and you'd still come in way under budget. Only suggestion I would make beyond that is to consider adding a battlebelt of sorts as the 25mm webbing will positively fuck your shit up. Doesn't need to be too fancy, airsoft gear will probably suffice as long as it has some nice padding. Alternatively you might find some interesting deals through a local source of surplus. Many Western-European countries have opted for commercial gear in some capacity the last few decades, and as a result you might snag yourself a slightly scuffed up top of the line Berghaus for under a hundo.
>>35469 I found a Columbia Wildwood internal frame on clearance a couple years ago for $80 at a local sporting goods store. It's modern looking but at least it's all black. It's very adjustable and comfortable but it it won't handle the load a external frame pack would. The clips and buckles look thin but seem to be made of higher quality plastic than the walmart brand, I haven't managed to break one yet at least.
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>>35019 I like to look down on normalniggers and like the feeling of wallowing in my weird mixture of self hate and contempt for everyone else. I want to be a worthless leech off the hedonistic cattle society that I despise so much. Rebellion through inaction. I don't think there is any way I can revert to any other kind mindset. I have found comfort in this kind of thinking. Everything is pozzed beyond repair. Why do anything at all?
>>36921 >Why do anything at all? For me it's because there's a lot of good that can be done even if you hate people. As an example, here's a bunch of dirty unwashed hippies (with realistic environmentalist goals) who are fighting with the Romanian government to flood a forest to save some fish and birds. It shows you visually how much of an impact these guys are having for nature only by playing nice with normalfags. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_ozlB1wLKk
>>36921 >I like to look down on normalniggers and like the feeling of wallowing in my weird mixture of self hate and contempt for everyone else Literal textbook narcissism.
>>37102 I said I hate myself. Can you not read?
Shawn explaining how to flintknapp tools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dOQ-IQQpoQ
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>>34531 Middle one looks like a Tentsile. Eurotrash company, heavy-ass tents from what I recall, but pretty cool.
>>34523 Tried the first method recently in the cold rain and looking at this image is making it clearer to me how I should've set it up to avoid water runoff from the ends of the hammock. Maybe I could've tied off my worn socks in a pinch to absorb the droplets. >>34520 The obvious advantage is insulating yourself from the ground if it is wet, cold or both while keeping most ground dwellers off you. What worries me is being stuck like a caterpillar in a cocoon when you're sleeping so you basically have to be coiled up with whatever you have to defend yourself with with the mentality that if something grabs you then you have to be able to give them the death bite. It's definitely not primitive as in luxury but may be worth it if you don't have the tools to get decent sleep on the cold floor. My quest at the moment is finding the perfect pack that has some water proofing, dividers for clean vs dirty gear and a good frame so I'm not getting scoliosis every time I wear more than 20lbs.
>>44041 >water proofing, dividers Dry bags. Or trash bags if you don't want to spend the shekels, but those break easy.
>>44041 >What worries me is being stuck like a caterpillar in a cocoon when you're sleeping Well, nothing says you have to hang your hammock close to the ground. Hang it three or four meters in the air and nothing can get you... just make sure you're not the type to move around in your sleep first.
>>44044 A dry bag is useful for keeping an organized pack but it would be even more useful to have an improvised floatation device because waterproofing improves buoyancy. >>44046 >nothing can get you Hammocks are great because they keep the ground from steeling your body heat. If a racoon, squirrel, possum, bird, bear, creepy crawly or any other manner of crawling or flying beast really wanted to it could get in your hammock no matter how heigh you set up. You're adding unnecessary risk setting up at heights that could leave you seriously injured if you fell on your head because you're tired and miss your footing getting into/out of it, something pushes you off balance or the worst is if the anchor points fail. Waist height should be sufficient in most scenarios. Maybe the only time i'ld set up high like that is if there's is a safety net halway below to break a lethal fall. Murphy's Law is always in effect.

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