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Webm Thread Strelok 09/21/2020 (Mon) 06:22:02 No.5995 [Reply] [Last]
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A small number of you know about the "parts" that were sent into TFB to make a "gun" Why didn't we ever see it? Well, now we can. Go find James' mailroom-channel if you want something a little less overcompressed and glitchy. Otherwise watch it here, I guess?
From Brazil. Man gets shot in his carotid artery, and leaks blood everyone like it's fucking Postal 2. https://n.actionsack.com/so1cachorroveio/status/1538942405935829000?s=20&t=M4IhvRcwR2c5-URZUT_gGg
Denn alles Fleisch ist wie Gras und alle Herrlichkeit des Menschen wie des Grases Blumen For all flesh is as grass, and the glory of man like flowers on grass.
>>5995 Bump

US Navy Ship on Fire for Two Days Straight Strelok 07/14/2020 (Tue) 04:40:10 No.4168 [Reply] [Last]
1,000-degree blaze continues to rage aboard Navy ship in San Diego The fire has brought down the USS Bonhomme Richard's forward mast. More than 400 sailors are working to put out the massive fire that continues to rage aboard the USS Bonhomme Richard in San Diego and Navy officials are unclear how long the blaze might continue to burn.nThe fire has brought down the amphibious assault ship's forward mast and caused other damage to the ship's superstructure that rises above its flight deck. "There is a tremendous amount of heat underneath and that's where it's -- it's flashing up -- also forward, closer to the bow again there's a heat source and we're trying to get to that as well," Rear Adm. Philip Sobeck, the commander of Expeditionary Strike Group 3 said at a news conference Monday in San Diego. Sobeck said that the temperatures in the fire's heat sources are reaching as high as 1,000 degrees. With temperatures that high, the sailors are rotating in on 15-minute firefighting shifts. Asked if he believes the ship could be saved, Sobeck said, "I feel absolutely hopeful because we have sailors giving it their all." He also expressed confidence that the fire will not get close to the ship's supply of one million gallons of fuel, which lies two decks below the blaze. The fire continues to cause damage to the the ship's superstructure, which rises above its flight deck and has brought down one of the two masts that tower above. Sobeck acknowledged that the ship's Halon fire suppression system -- which could have put out the initial fire -- was not activated because it was also receiving maintenance. "We again augment that with firefighting elements from the pier and the shipyard," said Sobeck. Teams of sailors were pouring water onto the ship from the pier and from tugboats along its side. Navy helicopters have also dropped 415 buckets of water on the ship to contain the fire, much as they have done in the past to help put out wildfires. There were 57 sailors injured after the fire started aboard the ship on Sunday, most have been treated for exhaustion and smoke inhalation. A U.S. official told ABC News that the last five individuals who remained hospitalized have been released from the hospital.

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>water stops fire >boat on water >boat on fire for two days >boat is high tech military vessel tfw when all your fails align
>>30210 I'm led to believe the Chinese pulled it off. It's more plausible considering they're smarter than a poor excuse for our military's DA like you.
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>>30379 >considering they're smarter Apparently not smart enough to not have their entire country hooked to opium sold by the eternal anglo, Wong.
>>30379 >It's more plausible considering they're smarter than a poor excuse for our military's DA You do know that chinks cheat on all their tests and school programs to get ahead right?
>>34851 >entire country hooked to opium sold by the eternal anglo Of all the points you could have made, this was kind of dumb, considering that the Qing fought a war to attempt to stop just that.

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Russia Vs Ukraine 14 - Victory Day Edition Strelok 05/07/2022 (Sat) 23:19:16 ID: 59a090 No.33939 [Reply] [Last]
Another war, another thread... >Ukrainians have mostly taken back the area near Kharkiv >There's a river keeping them from Vovchansk which they need to cut off to stop the forces at Izium >Izium seems to have been a distraction in order to take Lysychansk >Russians moved through the forest in on Bilohorivka in order to take the landfill >Landfill is noticeably taller than everything else and gives them free artillery range over the Luhansk front, potentially closing that theater >Rail Wars continue as Ukraine experiences a fuel shortage slowing down their advances >Russians shelling the shit out of Mykolaiv and Odessa >Ukrainians launched a major assault on snake island but it failed and they lost a fuck ton of equipment >Russians keep getting their supply lines cut preventing advances on Apostolove to cut off Ukrainian supply lines >Popasna might be over soon with a Russian victory >Azovstal being raided by Chechens after they found an engineer who voluntarily gave them building bunker plans to stab Azov in the back >Both sides taking risky moves in preparation for V-day Link Dump: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/ https://web.telegram.org

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The situation near Slavyansk and Severodonetsk as of 16.00 on May 30, 2022 >Two hours after our previous report, there were reports of a complete clearing of the forest belt southeast of the Liman. Detachments of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and territorial defense retreated to the southern bank of the Seversky Donets. The settlements of Dibrova and Brusovka are under the control of the RF Armed Forces, as is the road to Raygorodok. A small pocket of resistance remains in Shchurovo. >At the same time, Donbass continues to be pumped up with weapons and military equipment: both removed from conservation and received as part of aid from the West. The day before, another echelon with 30 units of military equipment arrived in Dnepropetrovsk by rail.
>>35090 >hohols now being aided by russian-hating aliens
I made a new thread. >>35096
>>35097 Excellent OP, Strelok. Thanks.

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Weird Battles Strelok 07/06/2021 (Tue) 21:53:51 No.17013 [Reply]
Post battles that occurred under very strange circumstances, had strange alliances, or were fought over other unconventional circumstances >kraut commander of a castle prison saw the writing on the wall and went to the advancing burgers for help against the SS >the combined forces of Burgers, Baguette and Austrian prisoners, and defecting krauts fight against other krauts that missed the memo that fuhrer was kill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Castle_Itter are there any other significant battles where enemy forces teamed up with each other?
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>Battle of the Bees >British Empire wants to conquer German East Africa >sends the British Street Shitter Expeditionary Force under Major General A.E. Aitken >9000 man strong >German East Africa just has the Schutztruppe with 250 Germany and 750 Dindus under Lieutenant Colonel Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck >battle starts and progresses in the favor of the Brits until the Street Shitters anger the local Bee population >several swarms of angry bees make it impossible for the Brits to hold position and they are gunned down by the Schutztruppe >entire British Street Shitter Expeditionary Force flees and leaves behind tones of material which the Germans use to fight a Guerilla war against the Entente in Africa until the end of WW1
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>burgers work with the wehrmacht to save a bunch of horses from the slav hordes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cowboy
Mecca itself seems to have been essentially devoid of monotheists except for a few exceptions such as Muhammad's cousin Waraqah ibn Nawfal, who was some sort of heretical Christian. This said though, the entire peninsula filled with Jewish influences in the centuries prior to formation of Islam. We know that in the centuries prior to Muhammad, that there was a Jewish kingdom in modern Yemen, and that probably allowed for a great deal of ideas to swirl around in the Hejaz for a few centuries, even while they were still pagans. At least in one case 20,000 Christians were burned to death in a ditch under the Jewish king Dhū Nuwās. The Qur'an has been found to have material from the midrash and Mishnah within it as well, which shows that there was indeed some sort of non-Christian Jewish material being incorporated into early Islam. As I said in my previous post, it was for centuries prior to Islam that the Arabs began to wake up to being Ishmaelites. You'd be surprised how many references there are in the literature. For example, Sozomen writes in his Ecclesiastical History, finished around ~450 A.D.: >Some of their tribe afterwards happening to come in contact with the Jews, gathered from them the facts of their true origin [their descent from Abraham], returned to their kinsmen, and inclined to the Hebrew customs and laws. From that time on, until now, many of them regulate their lives according to the Jewish precepts https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26026.htm From Irfan Shahid's "Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fifth Century", referring to an account of Theodoret of Cyrrhus (died 5th century A.D.): >The second reference comes in the Life of Simeon Priscus, the famous solitary who established himself on Mount Amanus, whence he moved to Mount Sinai. Before living on Mount Amanus he had lived in a cave, and his miracles had attracted many of the neighboring barbarians. These are described by Theodoret as Ishmaelites: "those who proudly derive their descent from their ancestor Ishmael live in that desert" https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=D218041A306164DFDB6CA2F82CC15A6C Now, most interestingly, Sebeos says the following in the 7th century, speaking about the Muslims and Ishmaelites in particular. The Arabs are 'enlightened' by Jews fleeing from Edessa, and the Jews enlist the Arabs to assist them: >Twelve peoples [representing] all the tribes of the Jews assembled at the city of Edessa. When they saw that the Iranian troops had departed and left the city in peace, they [122] closed the gates and fortified themselves. They refused entry to troops of the Roman lordship. Thus Heraclius, emperor of the Byzantines, gave the order to besiege it. When [the Jews] realized that they could not militarily resist him, they promised to make peace. Opening the city gates, they went before him, and [Heraclius] ordered that they should go and stay in their own place. So they departed, taking the road through the desert to Tachkastan to the sons of Ishmael. [The Jews] called [the Arabs] to their aid and familiarized them with the relationship they had through the books of the [Old] Testament. Although [the Arabs] were convinced of their close relationship, they were unable to get a consensus from their multitude, for they were divided from each other by religion. In that period a certain one of them, a man of the sons of Ishmael named Muhammad, a merchant, became prominent. A sermon about the Way of Truth, supposedly at God's command, was revealed to them, and [Muhammad] taught them to recognize the God of Abraham, especially since he was informed and knowledgeable about Mosaic history http://www.attalus.org/armenian/seb9.htm#30 The next chapter by Sebeos mentions that the Jews only had the aid of the Ishmaelites (Hagarenes) for a short time, and wished to use them to rebuild their Temple: >Now I shall speak about the plot of the Jewish rebels, who, finding support from the Hagarenes for a short time, planned to [re]build the temple of Solomon. Locating the place called the holy of holies, they constructed [the temple] with a pedestal, to serve as their place of prayer. But the Ishmaelites envied [the Jews], expelled them from the place, and named the same building their own place of prayer http://www.attalus.org/armenian/seb9.htm#31 It's not entirely impossible that the rabbis used the Ishmaelite descent of the Arabs to use them as shock-troops against Christendom, and once Muhammad was demonically inspired by Jibreel, the rest was history. I have recently heard that the first reports of the Jews concerning Muhammad and Islam were positive, but I will have to investigate more.
>>34028 Did you mean to post this in >>>/christian/?
This is the only true weird battle/war. >>17014 >Israel teaming up with Ukranian Paramilitary called Azmov Battallion Right Sector and Azov are stupid skinhead-tier goyim who let Russian hatred get the best of them. Azov is founded by a jew and they fight on behalf of their jewish president who hopes they're zeal will have them wiped out first destroying any natsoc sympathies in the country. >China with Mujahadeen in Soviet afgan war Sino-Soviet split. >Israel supporting South African government Pecunia non olet? Sympathies regarding their ethnic segregation? >Israel supplyig both sides in a conflict in africa. China and russia sometimes doing the same. Funding whatever factions they like to destroy their competition on both sides. >>17026 Read this book.

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Strelok 05/01/2022 (Sun) 18:36:03 No.33489 [Reply]
>tfw live in the Capital of third-world shithole, which is still a shit-hole I live in a fancy district but muggings,non-economically based agressions and general shit stuff is at the order of the day. how do I become REALLY able to defend myself in da streets? I did TMA for a while but its useless when I got into a real fight a couple of times. do I take up wing-chun? krav maga? boxing plus sambo? Just learn to carry legal weapons and fuck bare-handed combat ideology?
>>33489 You should take up lurking and learn how to use the catalogue.
>>33489 >Just learn to carry legal weapons and fuck bare-handed combat ideology? yes >do I take up wing-chun? no >krav maga? can you afford to pay people to let you gouge their eyes out like krav maga actually demands? if not then no. >boxing plus sambo? i dont know shit about sambo but you should learn how to box or kick box. also just get a gym membership so you can get big so nobody thinks of you as an easy target in the first place. outside of that do this >>33497
>>33489 Boxing/Kickbocing is really good, but don't rely solely on it.
>>33489 >do I take up wing-chun? That's for women and men who do refined sparring, not for street >krav maga Effective but even in 3rd world shitholes there's rules and "honor" in non-economical aggressions/brawling, the moment you do the jewish fist and gauge an eye with your thumbs, kick someone in the balls or in the ground it will be the moment everyone will jump you for being a faggot. >boxing plus sambo? Sounds good but i would up the game to Kickboxing and some grappling, which practically is military Muay Thai (Muay Boran) the problem with actual MT is that it demands your nerves to be busted and tons of shin conditioning which takes some time, normal KB is more effective to learn in quick time but lacks some grappling that MT has, if you combine it with Sambo then i think it's quite integral. >Just learn to carry legal weapons and fuck bare-handed combat ideology? More like learn to carry legal (or ilegal if no one notices) weapons and learn bare-handed combat, you still fight under a system when carrying a knife, a man who knows when to cut, kick and grapple you is more dangerous than a man you know will use the knife only. Savate, both french and dutch or at least the complete ones that are actually that, show how to fight with knife, hard stick/baton and kickbox so if you can somehow find a gym or academy that shows that then go ahead, gyms that teach kickbox or muay thai rarely go into the weapons systems. Also stamina/cardio is extremely important, either to run a lot if caught by many slowfags or to withstand more time on alert in a fight, most winners in street brawls are those who are the less gassed and thus the more alert to strike the good hit or simply withstand the ordeal. Brawling for respect/things not related to getting mugged are also ironically an opportunity to get friends as many end up appreciating your actions there, taunting and hitting from the back will end up making many bitter while being respectful (not striking in the ground and letting him get up, not hitting when opponent is stumbling, etc, being silent and not looking someone down) will often make the loser or the receiving party to be more considerate. It's dumb but it happens a lot. A small gangbanger who 1v1 you will not grow that much resentment if you don't poke fun at him if you beat him, of course this all applies to kin, if you are brawling ghetto niggers who don't care at all about the folk then yeah go ahead and stomp his head if you can or go Bronson and pretend to be innocent only to bait them into a dark corner and shoot them several times.
>>33489 >Just learn to carry legal weapons and fuck bare-handed combat ideology? Yes. You have to know that bare-handed combat was never a thing historically, martial arts have always been about enhancing your skill with a weapon. Being not completely defenseless when not holding a weapons for a short moment was just a nice accidental bonus but never the goal. People understood that you should have always a weapon with you. Nobody in medieval Europe was truly without a weapon, peasants would own sticks, clubs and knifes to defend themselves, commoners and free people were allowed to carry daggers and the aristocracy owned swords to carry even when dressed up for the court. And when you look at the Asian Martial Arts, they all head their own weapons even if they are not trained anymore and almost all their exotic weapons exist to skirt around some historical Asian weapons law.

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Russia & Ukraine 13 - Poposna Slapfight Edition Strelok 04/23/2022 (Sat) 20:28:02 ID: 386cf5 No.32820 [Reply] [Last]
>Food and gas shortages going about as well as expected >Moskva sunk >"Second phase" of invasion begun >Russians moving towards the West on their Southern front >Moving to take Poposna to encircle the Ukrainians on the North-Eastern front and fuck Kharkiv in the ass with artillery >Some signs they are moving towards Zaporizhzhia to cut off Ukrainian supplies (could be a feint) >Gazprom executives keep mysteriously suiciding by six shots to the back of the head >China unlikely to put up with any more American demands since they are on the verge of a food crisis >Biden has given up talks with the Saudis to free up oil since the Prince won't even answer the phone for him >Azov shitting bricks in their bunker >Demanding Russian hostages in exchange for releasing civilians or to be allowed to leave with their weapons >Talks of a "final stand" some time in the near future >Kherson still relatively unharmed after surrendering >Transnistrian corridor is officially on the table Link Dump: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/

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>An enemy group with a white flag entered the road leading from the bridge, where the evacuated civilians were received, deep into Azovstal - the Russian military moved forward to meet them as parliamentarians. The first personal contact since the blockade of Mariupol. >All women, children and the elderly were evacuated from Azovstal, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk reported. I don't know if they mean the Azovstal complex above ground, or the bunker below ground, for many rescued civilians from Azovstal turned out to be from above ground areas so far.
>>33936 And it looks like Popasnaya fell to the russians. Also can somebody maje a new thread? I am too lazy.
>>33937 >new thread We still have almost 150 posts left ITT Strelok.
New thread >>33939
>>33938 Aiming to do it at roughly 800+ instead since the threads autolock at 1000.

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R&D, New Adoption, Procurements Thread I Strelok 05/20/2020 (Wed) 15:04:43 No.512 [Reply] [Last]
NEW SHIT HOT SHIT Thread to discuss new research projects, developments, adoptions, and procurements of /k/ related material. JAPAN: "Type 20" Rifle unveiled = Improved Drainage, Pistol Renewed May 18th http://archive.is/3oiGh https://trafficnews.jp/post/96397 Translated by anon >The Ground Self Defense Forces unveiled newly adopted Type 20 5.56mm rifle and 9mm Pistol SFP 9 to the press on the 18th. The new rifle has been outfitted with use in remote island defence operations in mind, with improvements in drainage and corrosion resistance, in addition to a new stock with adjustable cheek riser and stock extension. The new rifle is to be adopted by infantry regiments of the various army groups and the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade. >The current rifle (Type 89) was introduced in 1989, and pistol (P220) in 1982, both being renewed for the first time in 31 and 38 years respectively. The Ministry of Defence plans to acquire 3283 new Type 20 rifles and 323 SFP9 pistols within the year. >The new rifle is made by Howa Industries (Aichi Pref. Kiyosu City). It is capable of firing 30 rounds continuously [sic], and maintains the famous "ア・タ・レ (translates to HIT)" selector markings (安全・アンゼン=Safe)・タ(単発・タンパツ=Single Shot)・レ(連射・レンシャ=Automatic Fire)". The rifle has a grip on the forend improving manipulation [sic]. The new pistol is made by Heckler and Koch of Germany and carries 15 rounds. The grip is far more ergonomic and it is capable of single handed magazine extraction. With sexy andguards with MLOK slots, cringepods, and journalists who know so little about firearms and picatinny rails, you can all marvel how the Japanese rearmament continues cheerfully.
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>>32756 >The posse members weren't looking for trouble either, so they made me promise I would never do it again, and then sent me on my way with two watermelons.
>>32611 thank you news anon.
>>32546 >does a rifle in 6.8 count as a battle rifle? I haven't seen any data but it should be something like .270 WIN+P in a real fucking NATO sized case. That sounds like a battle rifle to me.
>>32982 This makes me happy, im tired of pussy rifles. >but muh more ammo Yeah but with a bigger caliber you can be actually effective at urban warfare.
>>32982 Something along the line of what .280 Bong was supposed to be.

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USN Laser Boat second test run Strelok 12/16/2021 (Thu) 05:39:40 No.21228 [Reply]
Navy successfully test-fires new laser weapon off Yemen coast: report >The US Navy successfully tested a laser weapon and destroyed a floating target in the Gulf of Aden​ — indicating the system could be deployed to target drone boats used by Yemen’s Houthi rebels, according to a new report. >The USS Portland fired the Laser Weapon System Demonstrator on Tuesday in the waterway that separates the Arabian peninsula from ​Africa, the Associated Press reported Wednesday.​ >The Navy’s 5th Fleet, based in the Middle East, said the laser “successfully engaged” the target.​​ >In May 2020, the USS Portland used a laser to down a drone. ​​ >The test-firing happened off the coast of Yemen, where Iran-backed Houthi rebels seized the capital, Sana’a, in 2014, and have been battling Saudi-led forces ever since. https://web.archive.org/web/20211215204329/https://nypost.com/2021/12/15/us-navy-test-fires-new-laser-weapon/ Is there anything new to see here or is it just LAZORS hype?
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>>22765 Strelok, the largest American Railguns were Mach 7 railguns firing ~6in projectiles, I'm not sure I'm supposed to be impressed by a Mach 6, ~3in projectile. Yes, the Jap railgun could be fired more frequently than the largest of the American ones and the barrels last a lot longer, but that's purely an advantage of the far lesser heat generation and charge rail fatigue that comes from firing a smaller projectile. The Americans have ~3in class railguns that have around the same performance, and smaller 20mm grade ones that are virtually Mach 6 CIWS units. >Can you even use explosives in something that accelerates that fast Yes, the US has High-Explosive Railgun rounds. They - in classical American style - only spent more money developing them than they did the actual railguns themselves (around $400 million out of a ~$650 budget) and then wondered why the railguns weren't as advanced as they could have been. It was all kind of pointless, though, considering the fragmentation round they had developed less than a year into the program (all the way back in 2008) had the same practical effect downrange. >Or would the high kinetic energy make up for their absence? Against sufficiently hard targets, such as bunkers, bomb shelters, armored aircraft hangers, and the like, yes. Unfortunately, these sorts of targets are not the norm for gunfire support, naval or not; and there aren't that many cases of missed opportunity either. Against the soft (relative) targets that make up the super-majority of potential targets, the KE round will do practically nothing unless it directly hits something important, which is statistically unlikely even with the guided shells. There comes a point where there is too much kinetic energy involved and the projectile just punches a (projectile diameter) hole in the target and keeps going. They saw this phenomenon quite often with battleship caliber AP shells fired against unarmored targets such as Destroyers, the shell would simply pass right through the destroyer and the fuse would set it off far on the other side, practically harmlessly. That is where the Fragmentation round the US designed came into play, since it basically shotgunned ~10k tungsten pellets at the last second spreading the kinetic love out over 15 or so meters, punching 10,000 (much smaller) holes in the general area instead of just 1 hole. A much higher chance of hitting something important.
Is there a point in making a capital ship any faster than an Iowa, or would that be just a waste of money? Also, with nuclear propulsion practically eliminating fuel as something you can run out of, should capital ships try to hurry at full speed ahead everywhere the moment a war starts, or wear-and-tear means they should still stick to a comfortable cruising speed nearly all the time?
>>32215 That depends on your doctrine and, much more importantly, your escorts. In general, the speed a capital ship will move is the speed that the fleet they are in moves, which is the cruising speed of their slowest escort. A lone capital ship is a dead capital ship, the escorts are paramount to the survival of the capitals. A lesson that most navies except the Asians seem to have forgotten, but it remains true regardless. This is actually one of the reasons why the US experimented with Nuclear Cruisers and Nuclear Destroyers back in the height of the Cold War, in order to allow the Nuclear Carriers to just race around at top speeds when in strategic transit. They ended up determining that the cost of said nuclear escorts was not worth the strategic advantages and reverted back to conventional escorts; I personally strongly disagree with their conclusion, but that was their conclusion. So in short, the highest speed that has any practical value to a capital ship is the top speed of the slowest escort the navy intends to assign to them. Given the practical speeds of most ship hulls today, escorts included, the Iowas are still essentially the point where diminishing returns becomes no returns.
>>32246 Would in a proper apocalyptic ww3 scenario warships just fight until they run out of supplies, as supply ships would be most likely hunted down and returning to port would take too much time? Or it would be such a short conflict that it doesn't matter? Alternatively, could cargo submarines resupply a surface group, or is that just plain retarded?
>>32412 In short, it's extremely unlikely. You have to consider, most modern VLS systems - the primary armament of most warships anymore - are designed for the ship to return to base in order to reload. Returning to port isn't a question of if it would take too much time or not simply because they do not have a choice. That aside, nobody has the fleet composition required for commerce raiding to be a viable strategy anymore as it is; the only area that it can truly be effective is their own A2AD zone, were no enemy supply ship is going to go in the first place.

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Russia & Ukraine 12 - "Well, well, well", utterly convinced russian debunkers ep. 9999999999 Strelok 04/09/2022 (Sat) 20:30:42 No.31657 [Reply] [Last]
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>>32809 Man, Gazprom execs really like to commit suicide by three shots to the back of the head nowadays. If I was one, I'd be sweating that I might feel a sudden urge to jump naked out of my window after beating myself up.
Good to see he's just IP hopping now.
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>>32820 New thread.
>>32677 I did in fact get the joke and I'm well aware of the maymay (disgusting as it is). It's simply unfunny, and who GAF if they are discussing faggots on their globohomo media regardless?
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>>31657 are you /uhg/ or /chug/, why don't you label so npcs know?

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