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body armor Strelok 07/27/2020 (Mon) 20:51:09 No.4494 [Reply] [Last]
anyone buy kevlar sleeves? I was looking at https://www.superiorglove.com/en/arm-protection/kevlar-protective-sleeves and am not sure what would be a good investment. Other site selling vests only sold gloves which doesn't seem like enough. Also any advice for how to plan to don this stuff rapidly in a safe area in emergencies? Like if there was home invasion with knives? Also wondering if there are any sleeves with NIJIII ratings against bullets since vests only cover torso. I've also read that material in bulletproof vests break down after two years, is that how often you need to buy them? Seems very expensive, wondering if some brands last longer than others.
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>>14995 >Back on the topic of ammo: the hardest part isn't even the propellant, but the primers. And that limits not only the use of modern auto loaders, but also the likes of caplocks, pinfire, needlefire, etc. as well. >>14998 >Anon the most common weapon on the planet is the AK47, a gun that is even cobbled together in 3rd world countries by Niggers living in dingy huts without elecricity. It's not the guncraft that's the problem, it's the ammo. You can't really run modern style guns on BP for long and smokeless is a lot harder to manufacturer on a post apoc cottage scale. >One could even use little lightbulbs as primers, the lightbulbs without the glass gets into the cartridge so that the wire is exposed and in contact with the poweder and the firing chamber of the gun is so constructed that its just making contact with the contacts of the lightblubs. It's hard enough to find micro lamps as it is now, to say nothing of after the collapse.
>>14998 the question isn't about the primers, it's more about the propellant. The ignition temperature of the mixture has to correspond to the maximum temperature of the priming system. If your primer can't reach the needed temperature, the reaction won't happen. Either that, or your lock time increases, because the "primer" needs time to heat up. >>15001 >smokeless is a lot harder to manufacture on a post apoc cottage scale. indeed, although, if you do manage to obtain sulfuric acid, nitric acid and glycerine in sufficient amounts, you could most definitely make cordite at home, the very first smokeless propellant.
>>15001 >You can't really run modern style guns on BP for long and smokeless is a lot harder to manufacturer on a post apoc cottage scale. 1. You don't have to use Blackpoweder as gunpoweder. 2. Smokeless gunpoweder was first produced in 1884. Even with a collapse we will not fall back into a world that is more primitive than the 19th century. >It's hard enough to find micro lamps as it is now, to say nothing of after the collapse. You can buy a package of 50 oldschool micro lamps for 10€ off from Amazon here in the EU. Even my local hardware store still has them. Buy some packeges now, together with some metal tubes, ring washer, lead and a welder and you have everything to produced bullets in the after collapse once your normal ammo runs dry. >>15002 >The ignition temperature of the mixture has to correspond to the maximum temperature of the priming system. If your primer can't reach the needed temperature, the reaction won't happen. Either that, or your lock time increases, because the "primer" needs time to heat up. I know, but you guys forget the simple fact that we live in the here and now and at this moment of time there is an entire industry shitting out millions of Jet Flame lighters and Electric Arc lighters every month, they cover entire walls at local big stores together with the needed lighter fuel. If the collapse comes, you just have to get your hand on one of these things and integrate it into whatever gun you are building at home. These ligthers get really fucking hot and easily ignite whatever gunpoweder you throw together at home, even if its just sugar+potassium nitrate. Stocking up on ligthers isn't even a stupid thing for a prepper as they can be used for bartering. There are dozens of ways to build guns and ammunition for them, you just have to plan and test which is the best way for you before the collapse happens.
>>15010 >Smokeless gunpoweder was first produced in 1884. Even with a collapse we will not fall back into a world that is more primitive than the 19th century. It's not so much a question of it being beyond knowledge as it is being beyond means. I imagine that back in 1884 the smokeless that was being manufactured in major industrial centers and then distributed from there. It wouldn't have been like someone discovered the secret of cordite and then every little frontier town had a chemist that could produce a 1000 rounds per month in his little one person shop.
>>15017 Spot on. Even for cordite you need nitric and sulfuric acid, glycerine, cellulose and a jellying agent, usually petroleum jelly. And then you still need the equipment to synthesize the nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose, which you need for cordite. Then you will still need to mix the stuff, and extrude it into cords, dry it and chop it into appropriate pieces. Logistics are again the core problem of everything.

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USA AWB 2.0 thread 01/31/2021 (Sun) 01:30:54 No.12674 [Reply] [Last]
Get ready lads, new AWB incoming Previous riots thread is autosaging read the pdf on the first post below (error posting otherwise) or read the tl;dr >registration of all firearms at federal level >mandatory licenses with 5 (actually 3 years) registration renewal of 800 >800 fee for registration license >24 hours of training >insurance requirement * >psych eval, will interview family/coworker/exes, suicide, mental issues (depression), etc are grounds for denial Dont go to a psych doctor ever again basically >must surrender firearms upon license expiry >12 months license suspension possible >bans ammo larger than 50cal >must inform AG of loaning a firearm >10-40 year prison sentences (10-20 mimums mostly, one or two 1-5 year minimums), fines up to 150,000 >strange ass "large capacity feeding device ban", see below: >Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Defined.—Section 921(a) of such title, as amended by section 1 of this Act, is amended by inserting after paragraph (30) the following:

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>>15055 Wouldn't the police be better evolved to the state level? Nationalizing all police would be a terrible power grab (not to mention horrendously inefficient, not that making police effective would be the objective), but organizing police forces at the purely local level has also lead to some pretty nasty corruption issues, problems with predatory fines as revenue raising tactics, and so on. It seems that Local Area Commands (or whatever the burger equivalent is) could be subordinated to state-level organization (and Internal Affairs) without losing their local beat knowledge, as in other Anglo nations. That said, given everything else we've seen and the other cancerous patterns that US cops at all levels have developed, I wouldn't be surprised if all the mythical "friendly local cops" have long been chased out of the forces in preparation for further suppression of "undesirable" parts of the US population.
>>15056 >Nationalizing all police would be a terrible power grab That's the point. What >>15055 doesn't understand, or want to accept is that anything which exposes law enforcement villainy is ultimately good. This is /k/ for god's sake. Any law enforcer who infringes on natural rights, including the rights to keep and bear arms, or speak an opinion deserves to be treated like the latest scapegoat. Protip: They all infringe on natural rights.
bidup's executive action on 80% plus some other shit leaked. big plans to redefine receivers and "readily convertible", mandate the serialization of parts, require FFL's to keep records indefinitely instead of 20yrs. summary: https://thereload.com/leaked-atf-document-details-biden-plans-to-ban-ghost-guns/ document: https://thereload.com/app/uploads/2021/04/Definition-of-Frame-or-Receiver.NPRM_.Clean-Draft-OGC-HQS.pdf
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>>15059 >readily convertible Such a vague phrase allows law enforcement to say "that object can be used to readily convert something into a firearm".
>>12693 >pass a psych evaluation from an anti-gun psychiatris good luck even getting an appointment for your eval unless it's court ordered and the waiting list is probably worse now then ever before.

Squad/unit weapons and tactics in SHTF/WROL/B-word Strelok 03/16/2021 (Tue) 20:31:56 No.14089 [Reply]
This is mostly a fun and hypothetical discussion, not a super serious one. But what weapons and tactics do you think would be very effect in a SHTF situation, but would be unconventional or ineffective in modern warfare. I have two, 1) Trebuchets and Longbows I think it's safe to assume there'd be very limited access to modern indirect fire weapons like mortars, cannons, etc and I skeptical that homemade versions would be anymore effective than more primitive artillery to include ballistas although I don't think castle type sieges would be likely I think small trebuchets, like one's small enough to fit and operate in a truck bed, along with bow, could be used for indirect fire against encampments and defense positions from behind cover that would protect you from firearms. Not to mention you could obviously use radios or other methods for observation and fire correction side question, what kind of a fire control system could you use for archers firing without line of site? Not to mention you could incorporate improvised explosives with the trebuchet. Lastly, and this mostly applies to archery. But I think they could be absolutely killer for night attacks and ambushes in combination with guns. The archers open up on the enemy, mostly likely just wounding some, and likely forcing the enemy to use lights to try to find the archers, since bows don't have muzzle flash. Once they turn their lights on, not only are they clearly giving away their position (if it's a weapon mounted flash light or something) but also as I'm sure you're aware. If you're in a brightly lit area looking into a dark area beyond, you can't see fucking shit, vice versa, if you're in a dark area looking into a brightly lit area, you can see it plain as day. So if you can force the enemy to turn on bright lighting, your gunners will have a massive advantage over their gunners. 2) Shotguns being used like LMG Obviously I'm not referring to firerate, however I am referring to suppressive fire capabilities (at <100 yards). I don't think you'd want to use some kind of semi-auto rifle for this role in SHTF, just due to ammo conservation, those rounds are better used elsewhere. However I think a shotgun firing buckshot Maybe some birdshot thrown in as filler one round every 3-5 seconds could work very well for suppressing fire since with buckshot it'd have a pretty high chance of substantially wounding someone, even at decent ranges. I think a .22lr with large magazines could be used similarly, but I don't think would have the same psychological effect nor have the same likelyhood of causing a wound like buckshot would. Anyway, what are y'alls thoughts on the subject?
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Not being a dick but have you read the book one of the streloks is writing? >>2682
>>14130 No, but I've seen it, I'll check it out.
>>14089 SHTF? I would prepare before that. Anyone i plan to include in my team would need to be familiar with crossbows and Bows, also slings if possible. Not just shooting and hitting, but also effectively hunting with them and shooting fast with them. ranged weapons that work on primitive projectiles (arrows/bolts for bows and crossbows, rocks for slings) are ideal for SHTF in my Area, since it would most like look like this: >people all get locked in Megacities. >Vaccination and registration mandatory for living in the MCs >Anyone that doesn't want that can get fucked, no participation in social life, basically an outcast and free meat. >Have to survive on your own, hide not only from the elements, but also from government, that doesn't want people like you running around inspiring others. And since here you need loicenses and whatnot to buy firearms, and any ammo supply will dry up without resupply from the Cities (Who knows, maybe civilian hunting will be outlawed completely), it will be down to slinging rocks and arrows. A person Knowing how to use them effectively will be worth his weight in gold. WEAPONS First of all: Stay ranged, or stay in massive groups. Second: crossbows and slings are fucking scary. Crossbows are more complex, but anyone can use them with a little training, and they're incredibly effective against anyone without full combat gear. Slings are easy to learn, but hard to master, but if you manage to actually get the hang of it, and aim and sling rocks with high precision and power, you can kill grown men with metal armor with that shit, look it up, it's terrifying. Third: If you are up against mostly melee fighters, and you have more than just a handful men, go for spears. They are cheap and easy to produce and replace, require practically no maintenance, and they're very effective at holding your ground and fucking up everyone who's bold enough to get to close. TACTICS

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I have a (hypothetical) scenario for you /k/ Strelok 03/27/2021 (Sat) 08:30:45 No.14377 [Reply]
Post the hypothetical WW3 or collapse of the world as we know it, the world has been thrown into neverending anarchy and majority of land inhabbitable. But a "few" nat-socs/fascists have created a time machine to stop this from happening. They have many equipment from all over the world, people from all over the white and asian world. But they aren't as much diffrent in idealogy And also have some plans for nuclear weapons. Let's say their manpower is around 1 million. They of course want to help the Third reich to win the second WW2. Where and when, should they go? How would it work out for them? Pic semi-unrelated
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>>14476 >Because a group of retards in larp surplus bumbling about top level military interna would likely go through as a band of deranged and dangerous gipsies? I never said that it takes right after the 3rd world war. It can 50 or even 100 years after that. While yeah after 100 years majority of modern weapons will be broken, but this is hypothetical scenario.
>>14476 >a group of retards in larp surplus bumbling about top level military interna Streloks volunteering for time travel wouldn't be that dumb, r-right?
>>14377 >help the Third reich The only practical way for the axis to win the second world war that's not through fiat or deus ex machina is not to start it in the first place, and convincing them to do this would be a hell of a task. Nuclear weapons plans are nothing if you haven't the fissile material to use in them, and getting that is the hardest part of building them. Bonus points though, if your operatives get them not only to not start the war, but convince the rest of the allies that Stalin is the bigger threat. Hell, Churchill hated Stalin far more than he disliked Hitler. So, everyone goes to war against gommunism, and then they'd probably end up with their lebensraum anyhow after Europe got chewed up by the war against the Soviets. Then you could just settle in and watch the slow and eventual progress toward the current year, which would probably end up more-or-less the same but with a different-ish Europe. All roads lead to clown world.
>>14537 No they don´t and building centrifuges isn´t that hard if that´s what you mean. If not I´m telling you now that all of the soviet nuclear weapons uranium came from germany and the czechs. Winning the war is also quiet easy as you just have to convince the german to give a fuck about molotov-ribbentrop = keep all of poland plus secure the baltics before the soviets do provoke them to attack, bled them out in the logistical no mans land that is eastern europe and then just win with the persian gulf oil you secured beforehand to keep the waiting bearable. Bonus: you will also receive american lend lease and the brits will be forced to peace out under your conditions.
>>14388 >14 >3 >88 Sheeeeit!!!

"Safe" Landmines Strelok 02/14/2021 (Sun) 09:30:17 No.13226 [Reply]
As we all know, landmines are a clusterfuck. Any retard with a garden trowel can plant one then forget about it a month later, yet the nasty little cunt will still gib his grandson 4 decades later. Problem is that they are so effective so armies do send every retard with a garden trowel to booby trap fields and now we have nightmares like Cambodia where the locals look like Gammatelier's wet dream. So my question is this: Why don't we have "perishable" landmines? Some sort of killswitch that either detonates or deactivates the charge after a set amount of time. Let's say 5 years. The switch could be based on an internal timer such as a digital clock, a radioisotope, a slow chemical reaction or even a physical process like a wind-up clock. Alternatively, it could be based on corrosion, such as by having an exposed rod of iron or a length of rope that will eventually rust/rot through and disarm the bomb. The latter system, of course, would be much less reliable and would not work in dry environments but it would be much easier to produce.
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>>14422 In that case, is it already being used by anyone? And is it the kind of thing that you just shouldn't inhale if you don't want to die a few years sooner, or is it bad enough to be considered a nerve gas? Can it get into the water supply?
>>14695 It looks like certain varieties of the Hellfire missile do use it, but it's not used in infantry weapons. http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=7769 >SMAW-NE; PBXIH-135 (HMX, Al) >Composition PBXIH-135(or PBXN-113) >• 45% HMX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMX >• 20% Binder Material(hydroxyl terminated polybutadiene binder) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl-terminated_polybutadiene >• 35% Aluminum I have no idea if you could use a solid block of this stuff as a hand grenade.
>>14696 Looks like hmx is just next step rdx, slightly more powerful, same touch and friction-sensitivity. Mix with tnt to get a powerful cast explosive. >Hand grenade Hand grenades are for people who don't value their life. I prefer shelling my enemy with a mortar from a mile away
>>14665 It may seem like a stroke post but it's a real thing. Do a search for "Progressive Depth Rifling". >>14696 Not the same thing. >Infrared Spectra of Aluminum Fluorocarbon Polymer Compositions to Thermal Signature of Jet Engine And that's just one formulation. Mix some Tungsten in there and you've got a different beast. Change the ratio of Aluminium to PTFE and you've got another. Protip: It's used in WP smoke substitutes. And what do you know: >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016703720305962 >Most of the World’s large tungsten deposits are genetically related to fluorine-rich granitic magmas, their ores contain fluorine minerals, such as fluorite and topaz, and their host rocks have commonly undergone fluorine metasomatism to form greisens.
>>14702 Huh, why does it seem that all the good things are buried beneath mediocre shit? I really want sniper rifles with progressive rifling now >>13230 good idea, but i think the solenoid should rather be a solenoid valve, that keeps a hole in the casing closed. After a certain time period has passed, or if the battery runs out of juice, the valve will open, and moisture can get into the mine, rendering the explosive effectively inert. just an idea.

One-Time Time Travel Strelok 11/12/2020 (Thu) 20:15:29 No.8925 [Reply]
If you were offered the chance to 'time travel' back to any date in 1938, anywhere in the world, where/when would you go? What would you do? Would you even accept the offer? You would be spending the rest of your life in that era nya~
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>>14372 Well that's pretty pointless
>>14382 This. They couldn't strike America and they would have to surrender all the same. May as well go to Germany and help them finish their nuclear weapons before the Americans and watch all hell break loose.
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>>8925 Somehow find a way to assassinate Tojo and the rest of his Toseiha Cronies, including the IJN leadership, that led us into war with the U.S. ; there was no way of "suing for peace" - if Hitler couldn't even get Churchill to sign a ceasefire, how would any Zipperhead retard ever hope to get two of the largest economies at that time? It makes me absolutely livid. That little cunty fuck deserved to die in 2.26, and why the young officers didn't target him I don't know...
>>8930 What would happen if you killed Abraham?
>>14690 Considering that the modern Kikes have literally no genetic relation to the Hebrews, all you'd be doing is changing the official name of the Kikes today - we'd probably still call them kikes because the word kikel didn't even exist in Ancient Hebrew - circle was 'krkl' (pronounced 'kirkle') - kikel was a Khazar thing.

Drone threa(t/d) Strelok 12/03/2020 (Thu) 08:52:13 No.10106 [Reply] [Last]
What are your thoughts about drones/UAVs in general, anon? They're becoming increasingly common nowadays, terrorists have even used Quadrocopter drones to remotely bomb targets. What could a potential insurgent/resistance fighter use them for? Do you have ideas on how to utilize them, as weapons, reconnaissance or delivery vehicles? Or something else entirely? I'm genuinely interested in knowing what an inventive fighter could use these for >Inb4 datamining thread
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>>13837 they have to explode near the drones in order to be effective, so the propellant needs to be adjustable, or you need some kind of proximity-detonator on the fireworks. Other than that, yeah, probably.
I could write at length, but more than 4 years ago I predicted the rise of drones, it's happening much slower than I thought but it is happening
>>13898 You want to clear out drones? Well the good news is that drones are expensive; but they are rapidly falling in price. I really have been giving this some thought, because it's far more likely these drones will be used by police in wealthy countries or by occupying forces (Jews) than on the battlefield where their cost effectiveness is low. Strangely enough it's more akin to taking out tanks than anything else. >deny intelligence( COINTEL) >deny deployment >deny strategic position/area denial >deny targets >deny target acquisition >deny weapon systems >deny optics >deny mobility (so you can retreat/ regain position ) >deny coms (on the basis that it hinders re-deployment- but you probably die) Before you even think about anything really clever, consider the basics.
Have there been any advances in sentry guns as of late? They and UAVs should go hand in hand.
>>13826 >But if you go for an autocannon with guided shells that have proximity fuses, then you might as well leave the 20-25mm range and go bigger to improve the bang-to-buck ratio. Or maybe we can ignore that ratio in favour of a reasonably light and compact autocannon whose primary job is to remove drones with HE shells that have programmable fuses. You could still use it against ground targets if you want to, but that shouldn't be a priority. For this purpose something like this 27mm gun could work, or maybe a simpler design with a lower RoF that is chambered for the same cartridge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_BK-27 http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_27mm-145_mlg27.php Speaking of that, it seems like the case is based on a soviet one: https://www.quarryhs.co.uk/MilRel.htm >The first two cartridges share 23x152B dimensions but are made of different materials and have other differences in primers and loadings. The first was used in the WW2 era VYa aircraft cannon mainly fitted to the II 2 Shturmovik ground attack plane ; these all had brass cases. In the 1950s the cartridge was worked on for the faster-firing ZU series of anti-aircraft guns, the case material being changed to steel. Four of the guns were used in the ZSU Shilka self-propelled AA system. Some towed and naval AA guns remain in service today, and a version is also used in light AFVs. However, brass-cased ammunition (like the one shown) remained in production for a long time, for use in sub-calibre tank gun training devices. >There is no claim of a direct relationship between these and the other two, but they are so similar in case design that it makes one wonder… >The 27x145B for the Mauser BK 27 revolver cannon was designed specifically for the Panavia Tornado strike fighter, although it is also used in Germany's version of the Alpha Jet, in the SAAB Gripen, and the Eurofighter Typhoon. A four-barrel naval CIWS mount (the Mauser Drakon) was developed but not used, but the MLG 27, a remote-control single-barrel mounting, has been adopted by the German navy, is attracting export sales, and is now being offered in a land mounting.

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R&D, New Adoption, Procurements Thread I Strelok 05/20/2020 (Wed) 15:04:43 No.512 [Reply] [Last]
NEW SHIT HOT SHIT Thread to discuss new research projects, developments, adoptions, and procurements of /k/ related material. JAPAN: "Type 20" Rifle unveiled = Improved Drainage, Pistol Renewed May 18th http://archive.is/3oiGh https://trafficnews.jp/post/96397 Translated by anon >The Ground Self Defense Forces unveiled newly adopted Type 20 5.56mm rifle and 9mm Pistol SFP 9 to the press on the 18th. The new rifle has been outfitted with use in remote island defence operations in mind, with improvements in drainage and corrosion resistance, in addition to a new stock with adjustable cheek riser and stock extension. The new rifle is to be adopted by infantry regiments of the various army groups and the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade. >The current rifle (Type 89) was introduced in 1989, and pistol (P220) in 1982, both being renewed for the first time in 31 and 38 years respectively. The Ministry of Defence plans to acquire 3283 new Type 20 rifles and 323 SFP9 pistols within the year. >The new rifle is made by Howa Industries (Aichi Pref. Kiyosu City). It is capable of firing 30 rounds continuously [sic], and maintains the famous "ア・タ・レ (translates to HIT)" selector markings (安全・アンゼン=Safe)・タ(単発・タンパツ=Single Shot)・レ(連射・レンシャ=Automatic Fire)". The rifle has a grip on the forend improving manipulation [sic]. The new pistol is made by Heckler and Koch of Germany and carries 15 rounds. The grip is far more ergonomic and it is capable of single handed magazine extraction. With sexy andguards with MLOK slots, cringepods, and journalists who know so little about firearms and picatinny rails, you can all marvel how the Japanese rearmament continues cheerfully.
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>>9466 Ah then, ok its kinda complicated because there are two vz.52 Also >Norway is buying new tanks, K2 Panther or Leopard 2A7 https://esut.de/en/2020/11/meldungen/24103/neue-kampfpanzer-fuer-norwegen/ >The Norwegian Defense Minister Frank Bakke-Jensen presented the Norwegian plans to replace the equipment with battle tanks. According to this, Norway wants to use the new tanks from 2025. >Based on the land forces study by the Norwegian Parliament Storting from 2018, it was examined how protection and communication in particular can be brought up to modern standards in accordance with military requirements. After an upgrade of the existing tanks was rejected as insufficient, market analyzes revealed the latest versions of the Leopard 2 and the South Korean K2 Black Panther as candidates for the procurement project. >In preliminary talks with German and South Korean authorities, the options for industrial defense cooperation and access for Norwegian products to the defense equipment market of the supplier countries are now to be discussed. >In 2021, the Ministry of Defense wants to submit the procurement planning to the Storting for approval. Time is already short to procure an estimated 200 battle tanks by 2025.
Any word about the new US jungle boot program? I heard only two tenders went through 'as needed', which meant only a fraction of the expected sales. Was this because they were no good?
So are there any news about the new american guns?
>>9297 >It's a combination of MG42 and FG42 That's all you will find until someone starts digging through the archives to find more info, or gets access to it and decides to make a video.
>>9487 Well it sure sucks for Hyundai that they don't get to win that deal but it's a foregone conclusion that Norway is going to buy Leo2's, no matter how good K2 might be.

Weapon prototypes Strelok 11/07/2020 (Sat) 15:47:30 No.8584 [Reply]
I have a big loss of a prototype thread Talk about any firearm prototype from the long forgotten past to the semi-modern **early 2000s, because there is already a dedicaded thread about adoptions. Here I'll present you "7,92mm Light Automatic Machine Gun T44" >A franken version of Mg42 and Fg42 which preceded M60. Yes it's American Also why wasn't XM8 adopted? Also also Krása
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I've found this. https://www.valka.cz/CZK-URZ-t38624 It's basically a universal assault rifle made in the 60's with a three machine gun variations. But the intresting thing is that it takes NATO rounds instead of the soviet ones. This makes me wonder, why?
>>13972 It was meant for import, and making a belt-fed weapon like this is also easier with rimless ammunition. Although the Czech already made a 7.62x54mm machine gun with push-through links, and so did the soviets, but it's still easier with rimless.
>>8673 Why are Malaysian marine special forces the only military unit to officially adopt the XM8? Did HK have leftover bribe money they needed to get rid of somehow?
>>13977 I think it was simply timing: muhreens are usually a small yet independent service who can choose their own equipment. They were still talks about the XM8 being adopted, they needed a relatively low number of 5.56 carbines, and so they choose what seemed to be the future. Realistically speaking, they could keep some of the features (like that nice magazine release), switch to M-LOK for the forestock and rails for the optic, make the whole thing work with G36 parts, and try to sell it as a direct upgrade to G36 users (either as whole weapons or just the furniture).
>>13992 >Realistically speaking, they could keep some of the features I mean HK, not the Malays.

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/irg/ Intermediate Rifle General Strelok 03/04/2021 (Thu) 04:28:40 No.13769 [Reply]
Intermediate Rifle General First edition >thread #1 >post about intermediate rifles >30calfags fuck off, this is a reasonable general for discussion of reasonable rifles that shoot reasonable boolits >7.62x39fags are ok though
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>>13948 in my opinion no, they are not. Their action is very cool and overall they are cool guns, but the safety is inferior IMO(especially ergonomically but you can always switch it out for one that doesnt have sharp edges), the mag release is inferior, and so are the way the mags lock up. They are rock and lock mags and they feel really spongey and weird. If they took AKM mags I could say I could overlook all this for a novel gun, but they dont even do that and have proprietary mags which is very gay >Were there other warsaw pact countries that made their guns from scratch? mostly just the chzechs for whatever reason, guess they wanted to be special
>>13948 >other warsaw pact specialties wasn't the StG-94X line somewhat different to the 74? MFW interordinance made "copies" of them a long time ago
>>13949 I prefer my VZ over my AK, way lighter and a tad bit more accurate. Also the Czechs had a fully functioning arms industry virtually untouched by the war. Everything from ammunition to tanks. They had no reason for using the AK or the TT/Mak, where as everyone else was a bumfuck backwards shithole within the Warsaw pact and needed Soviet assistance for everything and anything.
>>13957 >everyone else was a bumfuck backwards shithole within the Warsaw pact and needed Soviet assistance for everything and anything. Poland and Hungary had relatively good industrial bases (compared to places like Romania), but both of them suffered war damage and then the Russians looted whatever they could. In Hungary they also put in charge the worst kind of commie jews they could find, and those deliberately stopped R&D in favour of adopting soviet equipment in the name of communism.
>>13948 Plus >lighter >more accurate >lighter mags >safety/selector can be used from firing grip Minus <foregrip gets really hot very quickly <never added dovetail mount (but trivial to add one in a civilian context) <safety is on the wrong side for right handed user to use from firing grip

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