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فلان 08/29/2022 (Mon) 20:01:14 No.510
If Allah created everything then who or what created Allah? does Islam solve the problem of infinite causal regression?
This is a question that has been asked and answered many times. It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Men will continue to question one another till this is propounded: Allah created all things but who created Allah? He who found himself confronted with such a situation should say: I affirm my faith in Allah." (Sahih Muslim 134) And he reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Satan will come to one of you and he will say: Who created this and that? until he says to him: Who created your Lord? When it comes to this, let him seek refuge in Allah (from the Shaytaan) and stop such thoughts. (Sahih Bukhari 3102) Concerning this narration, Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya (may Allah have mercy on him) writes in his book Dar at Ta'arud al-Aql wan-Naql: "It is known by necessity and human nature, for all who have sound nature among the children of Adam, that the question is invalid. It is not possible for the Creator of the creation to have a creator. If He had a creator, He would be created Himself and would not be the Creator of everything." This question - similar to other questions that the people of doubt and desire ask, like "can Allah create a rock so big that He can't move it" - is a fallacious question and its premise is irrational, because it tries to apply the laws, attributes and conditions of the creation to the Creator. Allah is The First and there is nothing before Him. His Existence is without a beginning, and He is uncreated. When we talk about "creation" we mean the creation of Allah i.e. everything that exists other than Allah, who is the Creator of all things. The idea of "infinite regression" is an illogical one and the mind rejects it for its impossibility. What makes sense is to say that everything has an origin, and this origin was there from the beginning and everything came after it.
>>516 >When it comes to this, let him seek refuge in Allah (from the Shaytaan) and stop such thoughts. ah the "don't think about it" solution >Allah is The First and there is nothing before Him. His Existence is without a beginning, and He is uncreated so Aquinas' solution then, as expected. axiomatically assuming an uncaused caused certainly brings peace of mind
>>525 Muslims do have an answer, it's called the 'kalam cosmological argument' don't ask me to explain it, but it should give you help in your search.
>>510 This is an asinine question for any man to ask or contemplate as no one in this life can answer it. No man can conclusively answer this question independently from Allah. This is why >>516 >It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Men will continue to question one another till this is propounded: Allah created all things but who created Allah? He who found himself confronted with such a situation should say: I affirm my faith in Allah." (Sahih Muslim 134) this hadeeth is a principle. >ah the "don't think about it" solution Absolutely, no one in their right mind would think about something that brings about zero benefit and that has been clearly and explicitly answered already; Allah is infinite, He is Eternal and Ever-Existing. There is no "who" or "what" to Allah's eternal existence. The fact that the theory or philosophy of "infinite casual regression" is irrelevant to the Muslim that believes in Allah, the Qur'an and Sunnah is irrelevant is enough of a solution to the whims and thoughts of the disbelievers, respectively. You can sit there and pull teeth and nails over "who" or "what" created Allah, even though there is a clear answer. You persist willfully perplexed in life while we remain peacefully satisfied with a clear answer.
>>533 >The fact that the theory or philosophy of "infinite casual regression" is irrelevant to the Muslim that believes in Allah, the Qur'an and Sunnah is irrelevant is enough of a solution to the whims and thoughts of the disbelievers, respectively. EDIT: The fact of the matter is that the theory or philosophy of "infinite casual regression" is irrelevant to the Muslim that believes in Allah, the Qur'an and Sunnah (as was understood by the sahabah) AND that irrelevance to these philosophical musings is also enough of a solution to the whims and thoughts of the disbelievers that contemplate them, respectively.
>>525 >so Aquinas' solution then, as expected. axiomatically assuming an uncaused caused certainly brings peace of mind >Aquinas' solution No, don't impose your philosophical perspective to a universal reality, i.e., your philosophical conundrums don't matter at the end of the day (yes, it is this simple). >axiomatically hence, believers (Muslims) >assuming belief >uncaused caused Okay...? >certainly brings peace of mind What is all your philosophical perturbation offering? anxiety? mental illness? schizophrenia? no thanks >as expected. axiomatically assuming an uncaused caused certainly brings peace of mind Let me rephrase this snide response for you >as expected, belief in the revelation of Allah, the Ever-Existing, certainly brings peace of heart and mind
Also, interestingly enough The way I see it, per the afore mentioned hadith >And he reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Satan will come to one of you and he will say: Who created this and that? until he says to him: Who created your Lord? When it comes to this, let him seek refuge in Allah (from the Shaytaan) and stop such thoughts. (Sahih Bukhari 3102) >Satan will come to one of you OP is one of two types of people, a human devil or a person enticed by a devil (why not a just a curious person seeking answers? Because of the response in >>525 which I will, for sake of argument, assume are the same person).
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>>536 >a human devil you flatter me
>>553 what? Why would I go to a Christian board?
>>551 don't get ahead of yourself it isn't the same as a Christian calling you a devil lol
>>553 ???

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