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29:64 "This worldly life is no more than play and amusement. But the Hereafter is indeed the real life, if only they knew."


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Why dont muslims write narratives about great islamic figures? فلان 02/01/2022 (Tue) 12:20:40 ID: 2e5578 No.329
like epic poems, plays etc.? With an islamic lesson instead of a greek one at the end? And why dont we produce great works of visual art anymore? Especially when there are hadith about portraits being made of the prophet ﷺ during his lifetime? This concept of artistic restriction doesnt even seem to be rightly based in salaf, so I dont understand why these themes have become so common in the muslim world, when they hurt us more than they benefit us, I mean, we have little to no media presence, what does that do for our Ummah? It makes us artistically dependant on the west, and this eventually depleats young muslims of their values; I feel like this whole concept of bidah excludes the fact that muslims live a reality outside of worship and in all honesty, sometimes I feel as if bidah has become a form of bidah on its own right.
it leads to idolatry and too much change always threatens to uproot core values in society. look at the western world, too many changes in art, too many in music. extreme degeneracy and everyone is worshipping themselves and their temporary bodies which will rot as a corpse.
>>330 >idolatry idols of what? its this kind of ultraorthodoxy that lead non-muslims to accuse the kaaba of being an idol, this kind thought process never existed during the time of the prophet ﷺ, the rashidun or even the imams, we can produce art and maintain the art we produce -- we're already doing it to a degree, we maintain the art of the masjid, of the nasheed, of the khimar and much, much more, IN FACT, it is this precisely that we NEED to fight back against the west, if we produce nothing and they produce something, how are we gonna fight back?
>>330 I also finid it funny, how people say this, while WE have to adapt to the west, in the little islamic culture we have left, this is PRECISELY what we need to expand upon to spread islam
>>333 >>334 syria did tv shows like this, but media liberalization always leads to blasphemy. iran already had a rogue director portray some of muhammads companions as black africans, because he a shiite considered personally black as bad. in a few generations you could expect depictions of muhammad, then jesus christ superstar blasphemy of muhammad. the ottomans rose to supremacy without all this meaningless human-representative art, so it's not strictly necessary, and in my view it comes with too much baggage and decadence to be worth it.
>>335 >syria did tv shows like this interesting, can you name some? im interested. >>335 >iran already had a rogue director portray some of muhammads companions as black africans what was the director called?
>>336 yasser al habib, correcting that he's kuwaiti. give me time to find the syrian tv shows that i mean
>>337 see who he, a shiite, has playing abu bakr an umar. not that black skin is bad, but that's how alhabib sees things.
https://abutoctoc.bitbucket.io/deen.html >tfw not good enough at poetry That's why i'm learning arabic, i want to read poetry written by the scholars too they're pretty nice That being said, indulging the heart's passions and desire for entertainment too much benefits no one. >we have little to no media presence, what does that do for our Ummah? I ask myself what the opposite would do for the Ummah. Practicing Islam (getting up early, not eating too much, holding one's tongue and lower one's gaze, not hurting others with words, not accepting shady money, etc) is all about disciplining the mind against the desires of the nafs. And this is not the path of passion and art imo, which is why I believe cultivating this inclination (too much) isn't beneficial. Look what the media did to the world: all those who consoom it become mindless and weak-minded, don't let their hysterical mania impress you. They can't stand up for what they believe in precisely because they believe in nothing, they are moved not by conviction but by addiction and hedonism. The emergence of social media dragged with it the spread of gyms and bodybuilding. It is nice that people are taking care of their health but for what purpose ? Insta selfies. Do we want muslims to pray more to get likes or to follow the latest cringeTok influencer ? Or should our practice be motivated only by the expectation of God's rewards and the gratefulness for his blessings ? allahu a3lam
>>339 media is a tool, you act like kufr is inherent to it, i say no, it is precisely because of our ignorance of it that it is this way and that it is having the impact it does on the ummah, it is indefinetly our responsibility to not make it that way and fix the state of media as good muslims who care about the people who are subjected to the filth in the media, all youre doing by letting this happen, is gatekeeping islam when we're supposed to be proselytizing
>>329 The best thing for you to do is to start making something worth a damn instead of typing this jibberish on an obscure imageboard
>>329 >Especially when there are hadith about portraits being made of the prophet ﷺ during his lifetime? Are there really?
>Why dont muslims write narratives about great islamic figures? Because they suck as writers today? Because they're more concerned with careers than dreaming? >And why dont we produce great works of visual art anymore? Anymore? Because you are not creeative. Because we live in a time where the main goal is the pursuit of money and not creative expression and the art world is run by kufaar reprobates. >Especially when there are hadith about portraits being made of the prophet ﷺ during his lifetime? What hadith is this? >This concept of artistic restriction doesnt even seem to be rightly based in salaf, so I dont understand why these themes have become so common in the muslim world, when they hurt us more than they benefit us, The ONLY restrictions on artistic expression is the prohibition of figural representation (sculpting, drawing or painting the human or animal form), and music. Other than that, there seems to be no restriction other than a cultural one. Alhamdulillah I was not born into an Arab, Desi or African family, since these tend to be the culprits of cultural imposition onto the religion. >I mean, we have little to no media presence, Who cares? It isn't that important. Do you even read the Qur'an? >what does that do for our Ummah? Keeps it safe from imitating the kufaar. As a matter of fact, the lack of presence in the media is a strength that makes the Muslim unique. Stop trying to be like a kafir. >It makes us artistically dependent on the west, No, it doesn't >and this eventually depleats young muslims of their values; No, actually, striving to be seen in media and to be part of the crowd is what is depleating young Muslim values. They're so busy trying to be "cool" like the kufaar that they begin to sell their religion out for likes and follows. >I feel like this whole concept of bidah excludes the fact that muslims live a reality outside of worship That's an interesting way to say, "we should reconsider rejecting bidah" >sometimes I feel as if bidah has become a form of bidah on its own right. Wha-What?

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