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29:64 "This worldly life is no more than play and amusement. But the Hereafter is indeed the real life, if only they knew."

Dhu al-Qarnayn فلان 12/29/2021 (Wed) 20:23:19 ID: 290ff2 No.316 [Reply]
How do Muslims explain Surat al-Kahf? All evidence points to it being directed lifted from Syriac versions of the Alexander Romance, parts of the Surah being almost exact quotations and paraphrases of said work, which of course predates the Qur'an. How do Muslims explain the fact that the 'horns' of Dhu al-Qurnayn's name refer to the horns of Alexander the Great that appear on coins circulating in the Middle East, which were of course the horns of the pagan god Ammon? And this said, where is the wall of Yajuj and Majuj? I believe this to be the weakest part of the Qur'an.
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>>319 Correct. The stories belonged to Allah in the first place. The Quran sets the record straight, and has the story bring more good in the process. Any similarity is simply a result of effective story principles, universally accessible to all literate cultures. The Romance is effective in its own civilization, but hardly anyone knows it. Far more people are familiar with it, especially in its text form, in the proper Quranic version and context. Any version differing from the Quran was a distortion of the true account. Europeans are especially guilty of distorting things, being a vile trait influenced by their drama culture, which makes them neurotically seek new versions of things, which are usually trivial or harmful, and almost always disregarding seeking real substance.
>>327 we believe the pre-islamic stories were corruptions of actual History (about Alexander ? another emperor ? nothing is said on the matter). The Quran merely restores that specific story to truth God knows best
From https://islamqa.info/en/answers/22029/ "3 – The difference between this righteous slave, and the Macedonian Alexander who was a kaafir, is well known to Muslim scholars. Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Badaayah wa’l-Nahaayah (1/493): “It was narrated that Qutaadah said: Alexander was Dhu’l-Qarnayn and his father was the first of the Caesars, and he was one of the descendants of Saam ibn Nooh (Shem the son of Noah). As for Dhu’l-Qarnayn, he was Alexander son of Philip… ibn Roomi ibn al-Asfar ibn Yaqaz ibn al-‘Ees ibn Ishaaq ibn Ibraaheem al-Khaleel. This is the genealogy of him given by al-Haafiz ibn ‘Asaakir in his Taareekh. (He is known as) the Macedonian, the Greek, the Egyptian, builder of Alexandria, on the events of whose life the Greeks based their calendar. He came much later than the first Alexander. This was approximately three hundred years before the Messiah. The philosopher Aristotle was his minister and he is the one who killed Daar ibn Daar (Darius) and humiliated the kings of Persia and invaded their land. We have drawn attention to him because many people think that they are one and the same and that the one who is mentioned in the Qur’aan is the one whose minister was Aristotle, which has resulted in a lot of mistakes and far-reaching corruption. The former was a righteous believing slave and a just king, and the latter was a mushrik and his minister was a philosopher. There were more than two thousand years between the two, so what comparison can there be between them? They are not alike at all and they have nothing in common, except in the mind of a fool who does not know anything.” 4 – The Christians have no information in their holy book about the second Alexander, let alone the first. All they have is the story of the visions of Daniel, which they claim refer to the rule of this infidel Alexander, and the division of his kingdom after his death. 5 – If we assume that there is a difference between what the Qur’aan says and what their book says about a person or an event, why should that be regarded as strange? There are many such differences, especially in the stories of the Prophets such as Ibraaheem (Abraham), Nooh (Noah), Loot (Lot), Moosa (Moses), Dawood (David) and ‘Eesa (Jesus) (peace be upon them). The Christians have no reliable and continuous chain of narration for this book in which they believe, and they know nothing about those who translated it. Moreover it contains dozens of contradictions which effectively nullify any claim to infallibility or to have been written with inspiration from the Holy Spirit. It is sufficient to note the contradictions in the genealogy of Jesus (peace be upon him)! So how can we take what is in these distorted books as a standard by which to judge the Holy Qur’aan which is preserved by Allaah?!"
>>320 It's the great Wall of china, silk road and gog & magog are the Chinese race.
>>853 Dhu al-Qarnayn's seal is made of iron and copper and can't be climbed while China's wall is made of stone and can be climbed. There are Chinese Muslim, the Chinese race isn't evil. >silk road Gog and Magog are not civilised.

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Thoughts on Sufi Islam فلان 10/02/2021 (Sat) 16:10:36 No.292 [Reply]
They seem very different from Sunnis and Shi'as. Are they "real" Muslims or a completely separate religion?
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>>292 they're not a seperate denomination from Sunni or Shia but an aspect of those two denominations which is Sufisms foundation
>>458 So there are both Sunni Sufis and Shia Sufis? What's the difference between the two?
>>292 There is no precedence for sufism in Islam, hence, it is technically deviation. They introduce practices not legislated by Allah and His Messenger صلى الله عليه وآله وصحبه وسلم so, anything not found in the religion is rejected and in hell.
>>342 >some salafis like to lump all sufis together and throw the bag in the river but this simply deceitful The problem is that there is absolutely NO sufi tradition in the religion of Islam. Sufis may adopt Islamic practice but the fact is that anyone that claims to be a Sufi is more likely than not a deviant. There is no Muslim in their right mind, striving upon the Qur'an and Sunnah as was understood by the Prophet and the Sahabah, that would say "I am a sufi" because there is no validity in that statement. Sufism as a movement is a deviant movement despite their outward appearance and adherence to some or several Islamic legislated practices. The problem is that most people want a kumbaya version of Islam that pleases everyone , so they open the doors for anyone to claim anything without question, and then those striving for the sake of Allah are demonized because they are preserving to sanctity of the religion.
>>543 shaykh al islam Ibn Taymiyah rA practiced tasawwuf shaykh al islam Ahmad rA practiced tasawwuf hujjat al islam Al Ghazali rA practiced tasawwuf even shaykh al islam Ibn Al jawzi rA made a distinction between his contemporary sufis who were misguided and the ascetic shuyukh that practiced authentic tasawwuf recognizing grave worship as being shirk is one thing, but your position on this is ridiculous you guys even went as far as calling Asharis and Maturidis (together forming more than 80% of Sunni Muslims) as misguided, which wouldn't be as hilarious if the majority of your daawa didn't mainly target directionless preteens on trooncord just chill and recite prayers on the Prophet

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Thoughts? فلان 06/05/2023 (Mon) 22:03:39 ID: ab8c23 No.835 [Reply]
First time on this board, thought I'd ask a question about Islam in general. For context, I am a British-born Christian, lived here all my life, and all that jazz. I've been hearing the same few things from my local church, supposedly disproving Islam and the validity of Muhammed. I wanted to ask you guys, do you have any rebuttals or comments on what I'm about to give you? The Quran says, And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (Quran 69:44-46, Muhsin Khan) Sometime after Muhammad ate poisoned meat and was dying he exclaimed, ….Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, “O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.” (Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713) From what is being said in the previous two passages, to my understanding, it's saying that Muhammed had died the death of somebody who had lied to Muslims of that time and falsified the word of God.
>>835 Good question. Welcome to /islam/. Quran 69:44-47 Had the Messenger made up something in Our Name, We would have certainly seized him by his right hand, then severed his aorta, and none of you could have shielded him ˹from Us˺! The verses mean that Allah(swt) would have commanded the angels to forcibly take Muhammad peace be upon him then publicly cut off his aorta if he lied, that never happened. If you think about it, he wouldn't have told us these verses if he was a liar, that way we won't be able to conclude anything even if he was punished. The hadith you posted is him describing the pain he felt. Ask your local church, isn't it satanism to believe that salvation can only be achieved through God getting killed? If satan got people to kill God like Christians believe, satan would retire. I have some good news about Jesus peace be upon him, he was not killed nor crucified, he is fine and healthy, you can rest assured he was saved by Allah(swt). "Allah" is the name God took for himself.

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فلان 06/01/2023 (Thu) 22:14:50 ID: 7632e3 No.825 [Reply]
Have you heard the story of Dhul Qarnan? First, he traveled to the place where the sun sets and found it setting in a muddy spring. Then, he traveled to the place where the sun rises and found it rising on a people who were not given any protection against the sun.

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فلان 03/22/2023 (Wed) 19:25:13 ID: ee1224 No.681 [Reply]
Ramadan Kareem everyone, I wish everyone a happy holy Ramadan :D
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Don't forget your Zakat al Fitr tomorrow, bros.
Eid mubarak brothers 🌹

Surat Al-Ikhlas 112 فلان 04/04/2023 (Tue) 11:11:06 ID: 66dfaf No.693 [Reply]
قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ ١ He is Allah—One and Indivisible اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ ٢ Allah—the Sustainer (needed by all) لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ ٣ He has never had offspring, nor was He born. وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ ٤ And there is none comparable to Him.”

فلان 12/29/2021 (Wed) 19:18:36 No.314 [Reply]
why do isis and taliban fight each other? why cant they just be friends? what is the theological or quranic argument isis has against the taliban party?
ISIS are takfiri lol what do you expect Taliban are Maturidi (so irredeemably kafir from takfiri perspective) and it is true that in practice they do not fully implement islamic law but a traditional form of tribal law it's not like ISIS themselves observe islamic law anyway but hey any excuse is good to spread chaos in muslim countries I guess
>>314 See >>655 >>341 >not like ISIS themselves observe islamic law anyway Ok can you explain how?
Also - ISIS is not the name in use anymore. It's just the IS (Islamic State) now, because it's not limited to Sham and Iraq anymore.

فلان 08/14/2022 (Sun) 05:10:18 ID: e9ea39 No.481 [Reply]
What is /Islam/s perspective on fundamentalism, is it based, will you wage jihad one day? .
Of course public affairs should be ordered around Islamic guidance. Secular politicians have no concept of God's sovereignty, so they think they can do what they want. "So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And do not sell My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers." Al Ma'idah 5:44
>>481 >What is /Islam/s perspective on fundamentalism, is it based, Fundamentalism is defined as: A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. Islam is a religion based on proof and evidence from the Qur'an and Sunnah as was understood by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وصحبه وسلم and the sahabah. Islam is NOT a religion of personal or cultural opinions. The goal of Islam is to implement what one can from the core fundamental principles correctly without deviation. So a rigid, or rather, strict adherence to the Truth is obligatory. As for intolerance, yes, the Muslim loves what Allah loves and Hates what Allah hates for the sake of Allah. Are we intolerant of crime and criminals, yes, intolerant of the violation of sanctity of Allah and the ultimate nature of the reality established by Him, yes. And Islam is absolutely opposed to secularism. A Muslim that claims otherwise is either an ignoramus, a hypocrite or a total disbeliever. >will you wage jihad one day? .

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Taliban seems to be the only government that takes Islam seriously so far. These are supposed "Sharia Law" countries: >The total number of divorces in 2017 could be 40 to 45 percent of the total number of marriages [in Saudi Arabia], which was put at 159,386, in the same year. >english.alarabiya.net/life-style/art-and-culture/2018/02/10/A-rundown-on-reasons-for-rising-divorce-rate-in-Saudi-Arabia- >The alarm has been sounded again in Kuwait after figures for 2017 show that around 60 per cent of Kuwaiti marriages have ended in divorce. >gulfnews.com/world/gulf/kuwait/alarm-sounded-as-divorce-rate-in-kuwait-reaches-60-1.2030151 >More than half of all Emirati couples in Abu Dhabi — 62 per cent — face divorce within the first four years of marriage, according to research conducted by the Department of Community Development. >gulfnews.com/uae/62-of-emirati-couples-in-abu-dhabi-face-divorce-within-first-four-years-of-marriage-research-shows-1.80952239
>>538 Love your answer. >Anyone that wants to go to war is a fool to begin with and is usually virtue signaling reminded me of the tacticool operators that joined the war in Ukraine only to realize it woulsn't exactly be the video game experience they expected it to be https://youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4 >>611 >Taliban seems to be the only government that takes Islam seriously so far. Which is saying something, since their implementation isn't that strict(ly faithful to Shariah) Divorce however is not frowned upon in Islam, and can sometimes be the best resolution to an incompatible union. Zayd ibn Haritha divorced who would later become a Mother of the Believers. Who is to blame in this affair ? Can anything bad be said about these Sahaba ? Imo we should avoid regarding divorce with the same contempt as Catholics. It goes without sasying that when children are involved, the impact a divorce can (and will) have on them should be the principal consideration, before the parents' "happiness" or desires

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فلان 12/22/2022 (Thu) 15:38:34 ID: 0dc1cb No.646 [Reply]
How does Islam explain the Well Of Barhout in Yemen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgAvqwWeA8U Is it really a prison for the jinns?

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