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Music Videos Anonymous 09/01/2020 (Tue) 15:00:59 No.356
[JW04 ~ 05/22/2020] A special place for a small-format video field dedicated, once upon a time, to video technique experiments, unorthodox art directions and/or kinetic performances. As previously discussed this is a genre who has gotten a bit harsher to collect and research, there's some ways to start amassing a personal stash in a reliable way and check information regarding content creators, but in recent times these have gotten limited. The IMVDb site is a good place to start although it seems its staff activity has halted, at least considering that community entries have been on hold for a year now, so it should probably be taken as an introductory resource rather than a golden rule. Archive.org also features "small" batches of standard quality files, so it's also a most-see for new adventurers. Featured here is one of the early products made by the famous Ninja Tune label, as the founders of said company Coldcut made a collaboration with Hexstatic to create a small Audiovisual single that shows the very early and pioneering technology of their own real-time video manipulation software, something also called video scratching as it remixes and manipulates video as it were a vinyl on a disc jockey table, with audio included. Something that just very recently has been considered a normal mark in video sites, and mostly as an evolution of golden age Youtube Poop which is at its earliest around 2007; Coldcut made Timber in 1997. It also comes a decade after the same guys were already written in history with gold for popularizing and somewhat creating the standard of pausing cassettes, cutting the tape at that point, taping it over cheap copies of the same recording, doing it several times with several things and ending up with a frankenstein tape that basically invented the UK Garage scene along with the Big Beat scene, and by default the Remix style of musicianship, something that in a very short time would be refined and raised as an art by artists such as Todd Edwards. Highly criticized these days due to being seen as careless for the decline of the cult electronica label that was Ninja Tune, the Coldcut duo is somehow still underrated even when their influence has been omnipresent.
>>356 Ninja Tune was my favorite label for a while. There are still a few tracks with (what sounded like) movie dialogue that I never sourced. Maybe the dialogue came from old time radio dramas instead. I haven't seen many Ninja Tune videos but I remember this ZEN TV DVD, looks like Timber was on it.
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>>357 >ZEN TV DVD That's where i took, very nice DVD Yes, back in the high school when i downloaded their albums released in the early years it also became my favorite label, after years i still hear some of them regularly. They were heavily into visual aesthetics too, usually cover art from Amon Tobin or Mr. Scuff would feature art styles that would be identified solely with them. In terms of music videos things would be more experimental, ironically enough for my good/bad luck i discovered Neotropic just a long time later due to her video for Sunflower Girl, i already knew the 15 Levels of Magnification album which was a favorite but never bothered checking the rest because i didn't really like Mr. Brubakers' Strawberry Alarm Clock, which is considered her very best, honestly is the one i least like, the rest are in my opinion superior in 15 levels Her story is quite interesting, at one point she experimented with film camera with old stock and/or a compromised body with slight light leaks and made some stuff that resembles the nostalgic polaroid/70's home movie aesthetic that would come later in popularity around the late 00's, again as with many Ninja Tune artists she was slightly ahead and i think did a short movie about that around 1999 to 2000, this video is an excerpt of it i believe. Not much going but it has its charm, especially when photography circles these last years have been trying to mimic the same style. From my part i think i have a plan to gather some stuff, but it would be a one-time hit so i need to gather as much information as i can to download extensively for a couple of weeks. My plan was continuing researching by director, make a list, and wait for the moment; for it to be worthwhile i will like to cover the vast majority of big-timer creators and at least a dozen obscure ones. This will take months and i hope to just start posting about them when i have the catalogue so i hope we can live with a few readily available examples of one-shots or short-lived ventures. In this case with Coldcut and Neotropic they made their own videos so double merit for them, usually the musician will at most suggest an idea or art style, the rest of the technical matter is stricly the director's unless you are Fred Durst
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Good news for vintage "music videos", one of the rarest broadcasts in Italy will continue this summer so we get the chance to grab a bunch of never seen footage although it's almost always from between 1960 to 2010ish
>>359 Nevermind, it's shite. I guess they realized that people could rip their stuff so now they cut to a different song every 30 seconds, I can't believe it lol
>>360 They went for the "Megamix" format? i guess it's fine for half an hour but for longer it might get mental. Honestly that's a format special for people these days, they get distracted easily and there's intervals when they pick up their phone and then take a peek at the TV if they like it again, if they do they watch it again and pretend they were always in. For my part i did some moves on one of the tracker/forums and upload some stuff (basically the webms here plus others) and they give absolutely no feedback, which means no brownie points and no rank scaling so i guess if i want to do something i have to donate. I'll probably do that and download some stuff but it seems they ask for full doxx to donate so i will try to make a plan, i can do just that but download for months or a year to get enough things out of there, or maybe i can manage to do something else. Still, for now it's grabbing names and putting videos on lists so if i get a break just go and download everything. Very obtuse ways these days.
>>360 Which videos were you hoping to get?
>>362 They were mostly very rare broadcasts, as in never seen other than their original live airdates till now, the show (at least in 2019) consisted in FULL live performances by Italian artists, sometimes they where cut off near the end but very rarely but now like >>361 said they went megamix jumping to a new song every 20 seconds, its insufferable and they even made the hashtag watermark bigger, they must've definitely figured out that people were ripping their stuff (you cannot buy the episodes anywhere and they only air once live, then they upload them here https://www.raiplay.it/programmi/techetechete for a few days but obviously they have some of the most strict copyright strikes ive seen lol) Fortunately I managed to download a high res episode that featured alot of content from several decades, each episode has its own theme. Check this video I restored for example, it even features several different performances and they are all nowhere to be found, the 2020 version of the show is nothing like this anymore... Ill post comparative screen caps https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WJdbyvqVM1mNa0nbVbnUzHWvYLQK8Zsv/view This drive link is not the best example because you might find the performances online albeit in lower res but I cant remember where I saved the original file of this next one right now, this one is actually pretty hard to find since its like 3 or 4 different performances mashed up, full song tho https://youtu.be/GNOMBCcGfPc
>>363 I hope someday the fuckers at RAI will release the archives at least for sale or something. Ive actually gone mad trying to find a music video by Nada Malanima but now its been so long I cant even remember the name of the song...
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>>356 Update: I have yet to receive a single (Thank You) credit point in one of the sites who uploads videos, this means the next step of the master plan is to gain access via DOXX DONATION and get all my stuff in a long-winded director hitlist. The real feat is manufacturing said hitlist as the number of downloads is limited per day which means we have to be constantly leeching because the access time is also limited; practically a membership with limited access that tracks your every download. It is viable and it will be done, but will take me quite the time i mean quite so meanwhile i will post isolated and obscure examples, probably a couple of one-offs. The real content will be in huge chunks coming around a mid-term future so if anyone is interested, start saving for a super deep duper big USB and my coffin costs if they ever send someone after me.
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>>678 So that's where it all comes from, legit thought it was a program. Reminds me of that one PES/FIFA parody video where all the players become homosexuals. Yes, that one goes into a list now that i think of it.
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>>677 >meanwhile i will post isolated and obscure examples So here's one of them, taking advantage of La Gran Colombia month in KG (actually just a coincidence) i searched for some work from the colombian Jorge Navas, the typical indie experimental-turned-commercial director who boosts the usual yet still impressive feat (in my eyes) of having helm more than 250 commercials and spots in his native country, many ideas being invented by him too so that's a plus. His work appears around 1999 and goes into the 2010+ so probably some colombians might be familiar with a couple of his shoots, he also directed some shorts, mini documentaries and i think a full-length movie called La Sangre y La Lluvia. Honestly i didn't know a single one of his works other than the video i saw and searched for in the first place: Sidesteppers' Deja. This is a particularly obscure one from the golden era in the fanatic latin american scene that comprises around 1993 to 2007 that actually appeared outside the usual channels, being broadcasted by Sony Entertainment Television around 2004, as one of the videos thrown around from time to time to fill the slot until another program came around; the vid was produced by one of Sony's music subsidiaries of course. Nothing spectacular but it was a very moody video and usually shown at late hours, many still remember it and the song itself is somewhat of a cult one. It's basic stuff dealing with a highly depressed party boy who might or might not smoke strange cigarettes, but the thing that always catches my eye are the camera techniques which i believed were more advanced: I always thought the sequence starting from 1:15 was an absurdly stable and post-processed Steadycam shot with a telephoto, highly technical, until re-watching recently i realizing it's just a generic green screen with graffiti painted over digitally. I mean half the video is just garish digital effects but i just thought that one was real, like the zooming + moving camera sequences. I searched for a good quality version, at least to bookmark it for "the event", but it seems none of this guy's videos are in .vob, nor did i find a mention in one of those party DVDs, also i highly doubt it's in one of the trackers so i started downloading his stuff in the only qualities available to mark his name out already. Not all his videos are remotely narrative as in showing something other than the band/singer dancing around for the entire video so i only threw 3 videos which are worth noting due to the brevity: >Deja by Sidestepper >Soñar Despierto by La Pestilencia >Contenme by Estados Alterados I don't think any non-latino will know any of that but for the sake of it there's that. >https://anonfiles.com/rdg1g8U6ob/_-film-_MsVd_JrgNvsGC_rar Also obligatory MTV/Geosites extremely stereotypical profile picture attached. For little more than a decade those kind of pictures were our only source of bibliography or source for music video directors in the lands of spanish. Good old days that probably won't return.
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And here's another one not many remember did some music videos, a pesky individual and sure enough someone not many may like, the british Guy Ritchie. While the guy pretends he's a tough street urchin the truth is his lineage and upbringing are very strong, born of an executive with royal ties and a scott soldier from a top infantry line (with royal ties and notorious family too, ranging from King Edward I to guitar god John McLaughlin) this dude certainly didn't have anything going south in his life other than his school friends. The horny bugger fooled around with girls, did drugs and appeared drunk in his front yard from time to time without his dad being around due to his obvious rank schedules, so it is of not surprise to read his high school days were crazy and not very fulfilling in terms of grades but he sure blew tons of weed and money from his mom's side, along with watching movies all day. He didn't know any trade other than having a sharp but refined tongue and some visual skills, so he started going around practicing with an expensive camera (which you might expect got easily) and refined his style from very early on, influenced by the back-then new wave of asian cinema (Hong Kong, Japan) and old british gangster movies in the line of Get Carter. Somehow he met a dirty rich dude, from Hard Rock restaurant money, who was starting to get into production of small but elaborated projects and soon enough Ritchie sold him a very sturdy idea he had been working on for a long time. They got the money later on and Guy went out with one of the strongest debuts i can imagine, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, in 1998. His first try into making something big was in 1995 with a short film called The Hard Case, but later on to keep going (and win money independently) he started doing some small gigs in which his collaboration with The Bucketheads came on. A big name for a project just made by one guy, a big cat in the house scene Kenny Dope Gonzalez, Guy did 2 videos in short succession from late 1995 to early 1996 for him: The Bomb! and the one in this post Got Myself Together. From early on we can see clear stylistic trademarks: Wide angle perspective which at times are fish-eyed, crooked angles and dynamic close-ups, flashy colours, extravagant characters from the lowly street life and tons of filler scenes, usually portraying the city life.
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After banging his debut and doing a commercially successful sub-par american semi-remake in the form of Snatch, Ritchie wanted to eat the world and did bite one of its biggest figures: The main reason this guy is here comes from one of his infamous collaborations with his then-wife Madonna, who was LARPing as a british royal at the time and what better than to have this dude, a young high-energy successful party boy with lineage, as her prize for a while. Honestly i probably would've done the same if i was Guy Madonna was still hot back then but she previously burned coal, so who knows maybe i would've not but it seems our boy here went a little overboard with it. The mainstream media had many field days with these two and to be fair their usual projects were trashy or didn't really fit into perspective, we can mention the well-directed but horribly acted BMW action shorts which Ritchie co-directed with Kar-Wai Wong and starred the mentally-retarded Clive Owen, the infamous Madonna cameo/theme song for 007's Die Another Day in which both lobbied hard to get and also the panned 2002 remake of Swept Away, directed by Guy himself and starring Madonna with Adriano Giannini, the son of the original protagonist. The movie sadly shows plenty of scenes with the italian stud kissing, rolling and downright banging Madonna on a desert island while Ritchie somehow called for re-shoots to achieve perfection, something which made him suffer the highest ridicule that still goes onto this day, mainly because the movie was considered hot garbage (haven't seen it so can't say) and the supposed re-shoots seemingly didn't work any good at all, making his """suffering""" and the uncomfortable times the entire crew had go in vain. There is something salvageable there, in fact i think it's pretty decent and probably the only good thing to come out of that hilarity is this video, What It Feels Like For a Girl, made in 2001 for his dear wife. This here shows one of the few well-done examples of hyperkinetic action cinema, the formal street name for the genre spawned from Hong Kong action cinema and refined by the Japanese some time later (mainly by Takashi Miike) that shows deuscth angles galore, quick but legible cuts into action moves, schematic visual explanations of objects in motion ala futurismo, overall somewhat complex camera work accompanying hyperactive editing/montages, exaltation of colours, night life, larger-than-life characters and the average special sauce of not taking anything seriously while doing this. It's very easy to screw this kind of sub-genre, hence why very few achieve this while being entertaining and not migraine-inducing, even the masters like John Woo, Tsui Hark and Miike ended up screwing some attempts up in the process; not here, although overly juvenile, edgy and silly with no substance in initial motivations (like most of Ritchie's work to be fair) this short example plays its cards on time and without overdoing it too much. It does delve well into the independent woman power fantasy but the implications she's the devil/a demon mainly placate this, the song probably is a bit too serious for its own good to be frank. It's all good fun but some channels didn't think so, the video was banned in some countries for its absurd portrayal of violence, namely MTV and VH1 screened only the official debut of it and then dropped it hard. In my case i remember the video getting heavy circulation on MTV Latin America, so i guess it didn't apply everywhere. After that fiasco and having directed two popular but lambasted films, Revolver and Rockn'Rolla, our man here got a second breath and went on to make the surreal re-imagination of Sherlock Holmes, which then spawned a couple of projects more and got him the seat for the recent Aladdin (the one with the CGI). I don't think he ever succeeded a project in quality after his debut Lock, Stock... but Madonna's video is the closest thing i can think of, in other terms i think the guy is rolling in money at this moment and banged anything he could after getting the divorce so fair play to him. Guy Ritchie directed only 4 music videos, one was a one-night stand done as a favor for a DJ i think, 2 for Kenny Dope and the final one for his own girl/milf. Here's the latter 3, one in .mp4 converted from a VHS, a standard .vob and the Madonna one in .mkv from a .vob done losslessly. >https://anonfiles.com/r1z1MeW2ob/_-film-_MsVd_GRitch_rar If someone knows where can i upload stuff while making "a database" of sorts that would be appreciated, i'm thinking something like that anon did with the video game share threads because these zipped files are getting heavy and the host itself might be a bit unpredictable in the future.
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>>734 >If someone knows where can i upload stuff while making "a database" of sorts that would be appreciated Why not a Mega folder?
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One with a semi-interesting story: In the late 70s/early 80s there were a couple of film graduates that were exploiting time lapse cinematography at the same time, some from California colleges, others from the Atlantic side, and a handful self-taught and/or incited by the very early pioneers. In this battle for winning the place of "first person who did cool time lapse" enters the figure of Louie Schwartzberg, a jew yorker and one of the early graduates in California. The "man" seems to have always been proud of his trade, he kept practicing and made some small footage rolls for TV news channels and other jobs, one day he was even tasked to do a couple of small vehicle shots in NY for one of his "rivals", Ron Fricke. Louie says he spend some years bragging how that guy needed his help until one day Koyaanisqatsi was premiered, i think it's fair to say most here know how influential and hegemonic that film was, now imagine the few who specialized in that kind of camera work, it was practically a game over for anyone looking for that cool title of time lapse pioneer... for Louie's disdain it was directed by an art outsider, and for his horror the guy was also a christian friar, and as a further kick to the balls the director of photography was Ron Fricke himself, who had used his previous heli and barge shots in the most emblematic part of the movie. In a talk the guy mentions how, even when he got paid as an outsourced hand and practically he could've been erased from the credits, Fricke actually did credit him as an "additional cinematographer", but it's obvious the guy was/is livid as fuck about not getting the full honors. He kept going with motivation as he said (raging butthurt i would call it) and actually landed a few jobs, truth be told he had portfolio and is good at it, so in the immediate years after the movie's release and with the time lapse meme/popularity at its peak one of his gigs was an experimental music video titled Individual Choice commissioned by the master Jean-Luc Ponty, widely considered the greatest electric violinist around. The new-fangled nature of the video was coupled with Ponty also experimenting with early electronica after many years playing jazz and fusion, so it can be said it was a sight to see and hear in the early MTV days, especially when Koyaa didn't have a good theatrical release outside the U.S. and practically very few saw it anyways. As far as i checked this is his only music video done as a single job, Louie would later be asked to help as camera man or doing single gigs for movies, either from Spielberg or schlock distributors, until he started working for the newly-founded Discovery Channel in the early 90s. Soon he would found a stock image company specializing in you guessed it, and he placed everything he had done which was quite the lot; Getty Images would soon buy it and the guy was practically set for cruise control the next years doing practically what he wanted. Many shows and movies used his stock footage, licensing rules i think say if they are longer than i don't recall how much then he would then need to be credited, so he landed some interesting bills like Sex & The City, Men in Black and Syriana. This dude did know how to sell his trade, odds are you have seen him if you have watched time-lapse film footage from an american city, and in recent years he also went for social media, throwing claims like being "the only cinematographer in the world who has been shooting time-lapse film 24 hours a day, 7 days a week continuously for over three decades", some small documentaries and also an avid TED talk figure. I heard one and the guy really seems to be strange, when he talks about his early days you can see there's still some vitriol left, like when he talks about machines banging nature but in other aspects he's just a seemingly normal dude. Still i find Ron Fricke to be the head honcho of time lapse, having pulled Chronos and Baraka apart from Koyaa, but in quite recent years Schwartzberg seems to be carrying more noise, appearing with Oprah, directing Disney nature stuff, NatGeo shorts and getting his stuff narrated by Hollywood leading actresses, along with implying he was an ideological precursor of Koyaa. At least he's moving forwards but looks like no matter how niche and specific you area is, there's always going to be a tribe member stepping on your heels. He only did Ponty's job "officially", here it is in one VHS rip on .vob, there's probably a better quality copy out there but oh well. https://anonfiles.com/t2BbCfZ2ob/_-film-_MsVd_LSwrtzrg_rar
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>>735 Probably but i think their limit is 50gigs, Anonfiles has a 100 but doesn't guarantees anything. One can be browsed easily but the other packs more punch, but i think i will do a pastebin and throw some Anonfile links with a couple of accounts so they last at least some months more, it's not like i'm going to delete the videos from my drive so when the time comes i will just reupload again. It's just that i was thinking of some sort of better UI rather than a plain notepad. >Spheres Very pretty, looks like The Quiet Earth ending death scene
>>762 >pastebin >srsly even thinking of this after their level of open, blatant pozz now Anon, pls. At the least use one of the many crypto bins, eg https://privatebin.net/
Biting Elbows - Bad Mutherfucker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX37ehy4-2k I've only just seen this but it's worth posting here Violent and bloody FPS music vid from Ilya Naishuller, director of Hardcore Henry which follows the same style and is also on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YZIQILvJDY
>>1211 I'm out of the loop regarding hosting sites, so pardon the ignorance. I guess i was going to use ZeroBin but PrivateBin seems to work the same, anyways i will soon soon-ish download those videos and then i will see where to host, right now i need tackle some hard drive memory issues because i think i have too much porn and not enough space for the potential 100GB archive. >>1223 Not surprising to see that movie's director doing music videos, the rule of stylish directors having their affinity/origin in the music video scene is again seen but i do wonder why so few found relative success when Hollywood is all about style over substance. Perhaps they did not sell themselves or made a big favor to someone?
>>1238 I do not know the general consensus, but I think music videos offer more freedom to some mavericks. Chris Cunningham, for example, was going to direct a screen adaptation for Neuromancer, but he left the project because he wouldn't get final cut approval. So yeah, some of them don't sell out. Some people still have dignity, unlike the poser >>733 mentioned.

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