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Woman Thread Blackshirt 09/08/2020 (Tue) 13:56:40 ID: 90231b No.7916
How will Fascism or National Socialism fix relations between men and women? Is there any fixing what has happened, or is it largely a case of removing the muddlers and the natural relations will restore themselves as a matter of course? What is essential: >ensuring a father can support an entire family, getting women out of the work-force >encouraging and supporting large families through incentives, loans, etc >encouraging men and women to marry earlier >making divorce more difficult >banning pornography >domestic discipline
1. Make sure women are unable to turn to any men outside of their clans for protection and resources when not already claimed. 2. Remove all impediments to killings of unapproved males by patriarchs and brothers. 3. Have a cut of the female population serve as prostitutes. Be sure to keep them as low in society as they can be.
I believe the main thing, after getting rid of foreigners, is eliminating each and every benefit in remaining single and childless. In order to do that, disincentive hiring females for most jobs, completely delete current rules about divorce, and especially make affordable for a family to live decently with only one breadwinner so that the mother can stay at home to raise the children. I see today that young couples who are not rich enough or do not have parents able to help them being unable to make ends meet if one of the parents does not have a job, and it's extremely difficult to raise a child while being both away to work and, of course, having to drop the child into a daycare costing lots of money as well. Birth control should also be very stingily distributed and eugenic policies implemented asap.
>>7933 >Birth control How could I forget this. I would ban it personally unless you’ve had at least two children
If the problem with premarital sex and adultery is not fixed, the family will never be repaired.
>>8076 Premarital sex as a habit spread thanks to the weakening influence of religion on society. Adultery is the result of specific law apparatus encouraging it because it does not consist in a felony or a moral offense any longer. Degeneracy is now directly promoted by the state with fucked up divorce laws that in no manner whatsoever protect the value of family and only work to protect women and bash on men, leaving the children as final victims of these perverted system. Generic lax morals caused the degeneracy we are witnessing. If a woman will not feel threatened by any consequences for her indulging in degeneracy, and even worse she is encouraged in doing so, her herd mentality will make her go along with what society suggests as "the correct thing to do". The (((feminist))) war on slut shaming was waged for this exact reason.
>>8089 >Premarital sex as a habit spread thanks to the weakening influence of religion on society. That, and just generally the dissolution of the family thanks to feminism and economic conditions. Today most people think that opposing premarital sex is just some sort of irrational religious holdover, and not a reasoned position that one holds in light of things like the number of partners that one has and pair-bonding and from preventing children from being born outside of wedlock. The latter is especially dire. Something like 40% of children today in the US are born to unmarried women, and a large percentage of those are single moms. As anyone redpilled knows, single mothers are horrible for society and for their children, who are more likely to be welfare dependent, commit crimes, go to prison and do drugs. Any sane society would prevent this through a bit of self-control on the part of the unmarried, and would attempt to as much as possible leave sexual activity in marriage. Luckily at this stage adultery is still viewed as immoral by a larger percentage of the population than opposition to fornicators, but we all know that there is a push to erode marriage even further through media and sociological propaganda. They want us to be completely atomized economic units who never form family bonds, and the state will raise all of the children. Just like what disgusting "free love" Communist feminists like Alexandra Kollontai wrote about. >Generic lax morals caused the degeneracy we are witnessing. If a woman will not feel threatened by any consequences for her indulging in degeneracy, and even worse she is encouraged in doing so, her herd mentality will make her go along with what society suggests as "the correct thing to do". This. Women are the epitomal lemmings. Though, men becoming weaklings has played a bigger role than one can imagine as well.
by empowering men, creating a society the fosters healthy masculine values and understands proper natural roles of men and women. the rest should follow naturally.
>>8135 I feel like this is true with a lot that we stand for. Simply remove what is against nature and bent on destroying our people, and many things will spontaneously reconstitute themselves in accordance with nature.
>>8137 The fastest way to achieve this, sadly, is to fall into a state of war, and I mean proper war, not the low intensity 4th generation warfare we are currently in. The moment the System falls and everything will be back to mere survival of the self and the tribe, all the kike induced superfluities will simply melt away.
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>>8144 I've come to the same conclusion regarding a war, sadly. It was actually one of the first redpills that I came to on my own accord after I started to contemplate the rise in faggotry, weakness and effeminate males in our societies. An overabundance of luxuries and frivolous entertainment is creating weak men. The cycle will go on.
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>>8147 I remember when I was young studying at school and struggling to understand why throughout history there were people actually cheering for war. Even if I am 100% certain i would die pretty much fucking instantly, or suffer terribly if I survived, at least now I understand that feeling.
>>8157 That type of thinking helped me understand it better as well, along with coming to realize that in the not-so-distant past people were still more or less embedded into their community and somewhat connected with their people at large. I'm generalizing, of course, but it really does come to make more sense with this in mind. Eternal peace results in decadence and it is necessary every once and while to revitalize and regenerate the nation. I know it makes me sound like a bit of a LARPer but getting blown to pieces on a battlefield has greater aesthetic appeal to it too than wagecucking for 40 years in a soulless world. Maybe I just read too much Mishima though and my aesthetics have turned morbid.
>>8164 >>8157 >>8147 Could a state of war like kinds that you are advocating for be a sort of form natural selection? Does this mean that wars like WW1 will repeat themselves?
>>8165 >be a sort of form natural selection? Maybe in a sense, but not as much as you'd think. If you think of modern warfare, there is not much "survival of the fittest" going on at the level of the individual soldier. For example, when one side is peppering their enemy of shells, the casualties are fairly random. Both the stronger and the weaker alike are blown to bits. There have been people who have argued against this idea of a more individualistic idea of "survival of the fittest" or natural selection for one that is more group-oriented, and that is what I personally believe. This struggle does occur at the level of individuals to an extent, but the main unit of struggle for humans is the group, and more well-organized, self-sacrificing altruistic groups will overpower those who lack these traits and are less well-coordinated. This is one reason why Fascism advocates for the reconciliation of different groups / classes within the nation into a harmonious whole. Just imagine that we have an army which lands in an unfamiliar area and allows soldiers just to drink water from rivers and ponds as they please without checking the quality of the water. The weak die off without care, only those soldiers remain who did not die. Theoretically the strongest individuals are the only ones left, and the army has become stronger when looked at at the level of each individual but the decrease in the number of soldiers is so extreme that they will not be able to hold up in battle against a group that has ensured the safety of each and every man, therefore having larger numbers of soldiers and more power even though there may be more "weak" people within the enemy force on average. Weird example, but it shows how the fitness of the individual is not everything, even though it is to an extent important (otherwise we wouldn't care about eugenics or anything) If anything, I don't want just endless war for the sake of war, but war for the highest interests of our people. On one hand, a martial spirit in the people prevents them from being effeminate, cowardly and coddled, and ensures that they will be healthy and strong, something that is good both for the group and for the individual.
>>8144 As a LARPer and a person who wishes for peace but realises that we're living in a time of push-and-get rock buffet of limited resources, you're right. I don't like to be in a war, but we're too "liberalised".
>>8168 Sooooo kill off the weak to shield the strong? I mean how are you going to get the weak to join the army then? Their parents would think twice but I digress.
>>8185 >Sooooo kill off the weak to shield the strong? I’m the same guy, just too lazy to be on Tor so I’m phonefagging No, not to just shield the strong. I’m not proposing anything radically different from how we’ve done war in the past. The post is attempting to point out that modern warfare levels the playing-field on an individual level between the “weak” and the “strong” and that the primary unit of struggle is the group *as a unit* rather than the individual. This necessarily involves having those who are weaker in relative terms among your ranks because in an aggregate sense it *does* benefit the entire group. Quality is important but numbers matter too, along with technological prowess. It’s also important to remember that in this hypotethical military situation we’re dealing with people who were judged fit enough to even serve in the first place so there’s not too big of a difference between people here, let’s be real. The only spot where I advocate for culling the weak is with eugenics — and here I’m talking about literal drooling retards and the like or sterilizing those with certain (potentially) heritable illnesses.
To me, premarital sex is acceptable if the man and the woman really love each other. I dislike one night stands and hookups. Sex is a pleasing experience that you should give to the one you love. That way, the experience is sort of a bond. Sure, you find a chick at a party and she's hot and all, but would you still want to be with her after the party is over? Then why bang her? I don't understand the thought. After the marriage (for Whites), women should be doing things like being a housewife. If they want a job, they should be in the caregiver sector like nurses etc. I don't believe that you need to abuse/beat the wife like achmeds do but you will need to show some domination. As for non-White marriage, not sure. >>8187 What about a guy who's only good at basic studies and is a NEET in a way? As in, he's not good at military stuff at all.
>>8168 >If you think of modern warfare, there is not much "survival of the fittest" going on at the level of the individual soldier On a somewhat related note, current western armies are under profound reformation aimed at purging "conservative" and "right wing" elements and replacing them with women and individuals with immigrant background. This is currently happening in US army (I found an official paper explaining it) and some Europeans armies as well. ZOG is doing this because they are still developing AI and robotics that will one day replace humans, but in the meantime they still need soldiers but also need to purge White males. I can find the paper with the research and post it if you want. However, the point is that with such armies I see countries like China - with their one party and ethnically homogeneous army - holding a big advantage over the decadent West.
>>8191 >What about a guy who's only good at basic studies and is a NEET in a way? As in, he's not good at military stuff at all. If someone was truly "not good at military stuff" they'd probably be placed in a non-combat role or in some sort of position where he would be most useful according to his nature. This is the best part about having an organicist conception of groups and the state. Just as cells are differentiated into various kinds with different roles in the human body, so are humans within complex societies. >To me, premarital sex is acceptable if the man and the woman really love each other I get where you are coming from, but at a societal level it may be more beneficial to restrict sexual activity as much as possible to marriage and to shame premarital sex. The consequences of premarital sex are overwhelmingly negative, some of which I touched on in an earlier post above >>8097. The result, even even in spite of all of the contraceptive measures we have today, is an explosion in single parent households, bad conditions for children, and atrophied pair-bonding abilities the more partners one has had. This needs to be prevented. Our future generations need the best possible environment, and this is, to no one's surprise the nuclear family at minimum [spoiler]and the more extended members the better too[/spoilers]. Just because there may be some who could get in a car without being licensed and drive more or less okay, we have made licenses obligatory for a reason, as the consequences outweigh the benefits of not having them. Same with marriage and sex. A degree of self-control for all benefits society in the long run. Unfortunately, seemingly controlled and intelligent people like yourself are a minority, and for every person who thinks like you there are hundreds who just fuck with abandon, think that they are "really in love" after only a short time of knowing each other, etc. I support both men and women getting married earlier though, so I don't see these restrictions as trying as asking some man to remain absolutely celibate until he was like 25 or something though. >I don't believe that you need to abuse/beat the wife like achmeds do but you will need to show some domination. Literal beatings and giving them black eyes is nigger-tier, I agree. I do support a level of domestic discipline though - spankings, etc. The family is a small state, and there has to be authority.
>>8193 It's no surprise that they want to purge Whites from the military more and more. It's definitely not to their benefit, though. Diversity is weakness. Homogeneous one-party countries will always have an advantage
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>>8241 >Homogeneous one-party countries will always have an advantage true
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>>8675 >It should be apparent that living traditionally is no easy task. It’s not a matter of a woman wearing a dress and doing a photo shoot in a wheat field, and it’s not simply a man being the bread winner. kek, reminded me of this
>>8690 That's actually some of the users on nein. And honestly we need to reflect on ourselves too. We cannot expect to act like we need to treat future wives as total slaves and treat them as if we're niggers. Yes, women and men aren't equal and women should not be seeking high priority Jobs in workplaces but that doesn't mean you should "use" them. >inb4 feminist
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>>8691 Realizing that I was basically pic related and didn't offer anything of value to women was a real redpill and knocked me out of the incel mindset pretty quickly
>>8692 Classic normalfag. Yes, be shamed by an image into changing your behavior. Shame on you for all you do. Conform and be dominated, slave.
>>8692 what value men offer to women is subjective, its mostly cash value, which inherently reveals how much women are in debt to free market economics. women are naturally capitalistic and consumerist without state intervention into their affairs.
>>8748 >be shamed by an image You've misread, that image didn't do anything for me, I'm talking about having lived like the guy in that pic for periods and then through self-contemplation realizing that it was obvious why I did not have a girlfriend or wife.
>>8748 So what if an image changed him? He's no longer an incel, isn't that more important?
>>8835 I think all of you could use a critical reading of "Whatever" by MIchel Holluebecq for real
Ingest these two chapters, Sex and Women and Man and Woman for an eye opening understanding of the tension between both sexes and the reality of the situation according to eternal laws. archive.org/details/DavidLane-CollectionOfWorks/page/n229/mode/2up archive.org/details/JuliusEvolaRevoltAgainstTheModernWorldInnerTraditions1995/page/n195/mode/2up B. Klassen also provides guidelines to what women should aim for in general, as a defense for the traditional wife model.
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>>9113 Great reads, thank you for posting, anon. David Lane was definitely right about what he said about that woman flirting with a nigger. Feel sadness for her, she's been programmed into being like this, and most lemmings are extremely plastic when it comes to what they believe. To respond to feminism with incel-tier rage is exactly what our enemies want us to do. Divide and conquer, that is what our enemies work by. Men compete over women, women compete for male attention, men and women in relationships compete among each other to an extent, this is natural, but the Jews want to destroy any and all harmony. I will have to find what Klassen said, everything I've read from him has been very good so far.
>>9121 Yeah, these reads are really powerful on their own. Lane breaks the mold of lies in such shameless ways, pure matter of fact. Literally a bible on girls in the great race war. Priceless. Evola destroys feminism decades before this poison even became a thing. Insane. Imagine what he'd think today! The Klassen stuff is spread here and here throughout his excellent writings, it would require more work to compile them into the "woman" topic. I may do this at a later time, keywords would be woman, women, spouse, wife and anything relating to marriage. Also, I guess we could sprinkle them with a generous amount of Chesterton pills too. He would have been a lord of shitposting on the chans.
>>9159 Everything I've read by Lane has been excellent, the 88 Precepts being the cream of the crop. It's honestly no surprise that he associated with other great men like Robert Jay Mathews. Speaking of the Precepts, I might as well quote the section on women for anyone who has not seen them. If they haven't, they need to get reading the whole thing right away! - >34. The instinct for sexual union is part of Nature's perfect mechanism for species preservation. It begins early in life and often continues until late in life. It must not be repressed; it's purpose, reproduction, must not be thwarted either. Understand that for thousands of years our females bore children at an early age. Now, in an attempt to conform to and compete in an alien culture, they deny their Nature- ordained instincts and duties. Teach responsibility, but, also, have understanding. The life of a race springs from the wombs of its women. He who would judge must first understand the difference between what is good and what is right. >35. Homosexuality is a crime against Nature. All Nature declares the purpose of the instinct for sexual union is reproduction and thus, preservation of the species. The overpowering male sex drive must be channeled toward possession of females, as well as elements such as territory and power, which are necessary to keep them. >36. Sexual pornography degrades the Nature of all who are involved. A beautiful nude woman is art; a camera between her knees to explore her private parts is pornography. >37. That race whose males will not fight to death to keep and mate with their females will perish. Any White man with healthy instincts feels disgust and revulsion when he sees a woman of his race with a man of another race. Those, who today control the media and affairs of the Western World, teach that this is wrong and shameful. They label it "racism." As any "ism," for instance the word "nationalism," means to promote one's own nation; "racism" merely means to promote and protect the life of one's own race. It is, perhaps, the proudest word in existence. Any man who disobeys these instincts is anti-Nature. https://archive.org/stream/88Precepts_937/88Precepts_djvu.txt Another classic: http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html
>>8168 >If you think of modern warfare, there is not much "survival of the fittest" going on at the level of the individual soldier https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17884803/ https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=yRRg0-TsKlM
>>9637 Emphasis on "not much". It doesn't surprise me that manlets are more likely to succumb.
What do you guys think about the idea of domestic discipline? I'm not talking about beating your wife bloody, or giving her black-eyes, but giving your wife a spanking or punishment if she misbehaves or flaunts your authority. Is marriage to irreparably pozzed for actual male authority in the current year? >I have found that my wife is extremely responsive shortly after a spanking, even though she takes some time to calm down from her tears, The next day she has a gentleness about her, we share closeness and affection, and she responds to my words more promptly than before. She listens closely. I do not have to tell her things twice. She is soft and subdued, and has learned again to honor my words and honor me as lord of the home. Few conversations do this https://spankingyourwife.wordpress.com/2020/04/08/whyusediscipline/
>>9638 What's the height limit for manlets?
>>10234 Around 5'5 I would say.
>>10234 Anything below average, probably, so less than 5ft 9inches. Even average is not good enough for some girls though
The biggest problem thing to overcome will be individualism and abstractions. Once one understands that the division of sex is a natural division of labor, and that each sex is outfitted physically and psychologically for different tasks that complement each other for the maintenance of the species and society, one begins to understand how absurd feminism and other egalitarian ideas are. Complementarianism is the most redpilled view of gender relations. Cooperation of different kinds are necessary. When it comes to abstractions, we see the same thing with race. People speak of "humankind", but there is no single mankind. There are "humankinds" of more or less related to each other. It might be a blurry line at times, but everyone here is aware of the continuum fallacy. With sex there's hardly any continuum though. In 99% of individuals it's extremely stark. One either produces eggs or sperm, never both, ever. There is no abstract "human", but only two concrete human varieties, and this is unchangeable and a fundamental part of what you are.
people on the right get so mad and worked up about women being whores and fucking niggers and other subhuman trash bags, but really thats their job. its a womans job to bend over and get fucked by who is trying to give it to her. the real failure is that the men in her family dont or have never tried to control her, and even those men who do they fail embarrassingly because the structure of the state is designed that we dont have control over our own women, not being in control of the women in your immediate family is the critical sign we are under an occupation moreso than a deranged form of government. these whore hating types will go on to hate on women saying they are stupid and cant make rational decisions and have a strong herd mentality but then attack them for fucking niggers, its their job to fuck what they are ordered to fuck and lets be honest, the narrative created by jews, the ZOG, is for women to fuck not just niggers but always the most abominable peices of trash that are a drag on society, so much so that it has warped peoples perception of female sexuality in that they think its every womans inherent nature to seek a "badboy" when the truth is that she is following the subconcious programming she is being bombarded with. we live in an adharmic society, so an adharmic man (a classic badboy) is going to be happy and fulfilled with this world while the dharmic men are frustrated and impotent. the real sin of our society int he west, the real sin of our race, is not that our women have become whores to trashbag subhumans but that the dharmic men have refused violence pathologically because they would rather hold on to the meager scraps of modern society instead of sacrificing their wellbeing in an enraged act of violence against those who would perpetuate adharma. and so the dharmic men appear frustrated unsatisfied unfulfilled and imcompetent and clunky while the adharmic are the opposite.
I just realized that if the AOC / early marriage debate ever comes up again we can just use the bunker at 8moe. The global rules don't disallow it all.
>>8692 Stopping the consumption of porn was a huge turning point for me. Gave me my power and confidence back, made it easier to talk to and hold conversations with women in general. Women can sense a man's "need" for sex. If a man doesn't show that he cares about it she has no power over him. Sex is the only weapon they have which is why ugly feminist queer land whales spend so much time attacking a man for not "getting some"- hence the "incel" meme - when in reality sex defines nothing about your life. Life and sex are not about getting an orgasm, it's more than that. Sex should be enjoyed for the journey itself and not just the "end". Not getting a filthy whore's snatch is actually in your own self interest mentally, physically and spiritually. Be a Volcel - Semen retention gives a man purpose in life, vigor and vitality. Sex should only be had with a woman of redeeming qualities, high value, a mother to your future children, one worth the expenditure of energy on. Not only will you be happier, but you'll make her happier too. Let the hedonists, whores and sluts destroy themselves. They ultimately don't matter.
>>13523 Good post, anon, I completely agree. I'm the same poster that you're replying to, and luckily in the two months since I've recently set out to kick my pornography addiction, and now have been free for over a week. This is a great milestone for me given the type of iniquities that I had begun sinking into immediately prior to having decided that enough was enough, and that I was completely tired of this shit. I probably have a long journey ahead of me still in self-improving, but this is a very probable turning point for me as well as it was for you. I will probably be taking the volcel-pill here now for a while as I subliminate some of my new found energy into lifting and similar stuff. Only then I think it would be good to start to look for a girl that would be a good wife and mother. Quitting has definitely made me feel less disgusting and more confident already.
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>>13523 >Women can sense a man's "need" for sex. If a man doesn't show that he cares about it she has no power over him. This is a very important statement. However, the incel "movement" does not agree with you and claims, based on several scientific studies, that when kept unchecked feminine nature brings women to dysgenic partner selection because they are biologically attracted by men displaying "dark triad" personality traits (narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy), so basically bad guys and in general men that constitute a bad partner in the perspective of forming a functional stable family. In current Western society, where White men have been emasculated under every aspect (by means of anti-male propaganda and on physical level via massive estrogens presence into food and water), the only male subjects left "free" to display masculine traits are niggers and brown invaders. The never ending propaganda White female+black male amplifies this very much of course. Anyway, despite race mixing probably not being so widespread as propaganda depicts, race mixer women usually pay the toll for their poor mating choice, so the best course of action for a White man is the one you suggested, in short not be an orbiter or a beta provider for women who are basically BTFOing themselves with their own pussy.
>>13540 >White men have been emasculated under every aspect (by means of anti-male propaganda and on physical level via massive estrogens presence into food and water), the only male subjects left "free" to display masculine traits are niggers and brown invaders. RExactly, and so the key to overcoming this is to reject the "traditional" Western diet and return to a diet of our ancestors with high quality meats, vegetables, fats and LOW carbs. The Soy they put into everything isn't there by accident, nor is the excessive sugar or pushing of "low fat, lean" meats, nor the high carbohydrate diets they push; all are designed to cause inflammation, cancer, wreck your health and endocrine system leading to lower testosterone. Add porn addiction into the mix and it is the icing in the cake. The solution is simple: Stop the porn, eat clean, work out, fix your posture and stop putting whores on a pedestal. It's simply not worth giving attention to whores just weed them out, they are beta females who have nothing of value to offer a man, or society but baseless sex.
>>13540 >"dark triad" personality traits Most normal women are smart enough to avoid men who will simply just use them as sex toys. The derranged ones who come from a bad family will not - at the end of the day they will pay the price for their decisions. However unfortunate it is that they are handing over Aryan DNA to filthy niggers , the only thing we can do is to better ourselves, for ourselves first, and attract a worthwhile companion. >>13540 >"free" to display masculine traits are niggers and brown invaders This is exactly how the jews became "successful" too; by process of elimination. By keeping the White man down through poisoning his food, drink, culture, mind, women etc. he was able to sneak in and install himself into power. The same can be said about the brown trash, if masculine White men come back they will be first choice over. Vise versa if feminine, womanly White women come back, there would be little rice burners. The only solution is to undo all of that by applying our principles to our own bodies and minds. Might is right, and we must apply that to ourselves as a moral guide.

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