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All-purpose interesting links or sources thread. Blackshirt 09/05/2020 (Sat) 13:49:13 ID: 7b7bf1 No.7597
I don't recall us having one. As the title says, post any links or sources that'd be interesting for this board from as many relevant subjects as you can. I'll start: http://disidencia.info/ https://therealwritewinger.wordpress.com/2019/03/22/the-great-replacement-a-murderers-conspiracy-theory-or-international-policy/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
>>7661 That was a great article. Honestly this guys' entire Wordpress has been pretty good from what I've seen. I know he has another article that exposes the Duginist connections in the Alt-kike that was worth checking out as well.
>>7661 So he understands that ethnopluralism and ethnonstionalism are different. I like how he just doesn't want to admit that he wants to go full ethnoglobe already.
>>7702 Ethnoglobe is a pretty obscure theory right now as far as I understand it. Surprisingly, /fascist/ is basically the hub of ethnoglobal theory on the Internet right now and is the first results that come up if you search the term. The term only appears 100 times in Cuckchan archives, so definitely less than on here.
https://chechar.wordpress.com/ >>7703 It's not as obscure, or uncommon, among us as you might think, it's commonly bandied about on places like telegram in a seemingly eternal; conflict with NS boomers and younger idiots who think a place for every race is a good thing and an ideal to live by just because Hitler thought it, but they do not always using the term Ethnoglobe. On the subject of disagreeing with Hitler, how do we deal with people who treat him as some kind of god who had no flaws or was infallible? this is, of course, regardless of his actual divine providence, he was still a man.
>>7733 what are some good telegrams, all the ones I'm a part of have not posting allowed on them
>>7737 There are channels and then there are groups, groups function akin to a chat room and if any of the pages you follow have a link at the bottom that says Discuss click it and you will be able to talk to other people. I know of two decent ones Nordic Resistance Movement has an english chat and another one is Worth Fighting For, that is all i'll share.
>>7739 Is the worth fighting for telegram related to the instagram of the same name?
>>7740 yep same guy has both a channel and a chat.
>>7733 Hitler didn't support a place for every race, at least in the way that cucks do where it is an absolute right. His policy of planning to expand east in Europe would have involved uprooting large amounts of people, or at the very least putting them under German hegemony. And of course he planned to have the east settled, not just by Germans, but by Dutch, Norwegians and Swedes. He might not have planned on exterminating them all, but I doubt he would have lost much sleep at night over advancing the interests of his people while some others get the short end of the stick, just as Whites here in the Americas didn't care all too much about the natives here being swept aside or pushed out. Hitler's adherence to the Laws of Nature bolsters these claims, I think, because the idea of the struggle for existence naturally implies that, between different groups all striving for ends and access to resources, inevitably some will be frustrated and perish, while others will emerge victorious. >On the subject of disagreeing with Hitler, how do we deal with people who treat him as some kind of god who had no flaws or was infallible? this is, of course, regardless of his actual divine providence, he was still a man. I would probably address these people from the angle of Savitri Devi. Devi obviously thought that Hitler was essentially a god-like being against Time, but he was not a perfect one, and in many ways he did not go far enough in her eyes. The one who will do this, of course, will be Kalki.
>>7753 I know Hitler didn't believe as these fools today did, for one, most of them are in reality reactionaries where Hitler was a revolutionary. I suspect that he harbored a great deal of hate that he never voiced, because some of his actions are inconsistent with everything we know about him. I guess i'm just frustrated with how many so called National Socialists are lemmings and people of follower mentality entrenched so deeply that they take everything Hitler did at surface value rather than trying to actually get into the headspace he would have been in.
>>7798 >I guess i'm just frustrated with how many so called National Socialists are lemmings and people of follower mentality entrenched so deeply that they take everything Hitler did at surface value rather than trying to actually get into the headspace he would have been in. Unfortunately this happens to many great men since the vast majority of any society is of course composed of lemmings. It is always easier to worship than it is for them to truly follow in the sense of following in the footsteps of a great man and becoming like them. Regardless of what was guiding Hitler, he would not have liked to be put on a pedestal as infallible, nor would he have liked to see weaklings crying over the fact that "another Hitler" hasn't come yet. Hitler, like all great Fascists was himself a man of action. What many people need is a proper distinction between the Laws of Nature that Hitler was inspired by, and the man himself. Hitler undoubtedly had religious-like reverence towards the Natural Order and its Laws, this is clear from almost all of his writings and speeches. It is the Natural Order which is infallible, not Hitler. Hitler may have been exceptionally skilled in observing and divining what exactly was necessary from the standpoint of the Laws of Nature, but one would be foolish to view him as beyond questioning or as laying down some immutable principles. I think he was very close to being right about almost everything, but I look to the common source of these views, not merely the man.
>>7808 >I think he was very close to being right about almost everything, but I look to the common source of these views, not merely the man. I agree and I do that as well. I suspect that he, like many of us, kind of kept a picture of Nature and Natural Order in his mind and checked what he believed through it as a lens. No understanding is perfect, of course, but I think you can get closest to perfection by doing it that way, essentially I am saying that he and we try to become Nature, and to think through the lens of what it tells us, and all becomes clear, I feel more and more in touch with the divine, every day that I do this.
>>7810 To have a truly objective and perfect understanding of Nature is probably impossible, but we can definitely get a more or less clear picture of some aspects of it, I think. Personally I am still learning, but the ancient admonition to live ones life in accordance with Nature seems to be the soundest guidance to a healthy and vigorous life. Our society today, founded as it is on a revolt from Nature, has bore its fruits and is plain for all to see. >I feel more and more in touch with the divine, every day that I do this. It is the same for me, and adopting and exploring life in this way has given me a much deeper idea of what exactly the core of National Socialism truly is, and made me feel more and more that the current order is utterly decadent and evil. I wish to gain an even more objective picture of Nature, but wonder how this is best done. I know that it will involve total separation from one's personal opinions and emotions about it. Far too much is rejected today because it doesn't feel good. More people need to be brought to understand these ideas, and it is through them that NS will truly become a force to reckon with in the real world.
>>7821 >>7810 >>7808 Ethnoglobe at first may seem cruel but then you realize it's the unfortunate solution. But to be sure I think it would not happen right away but rather a century or two from now on. sage for offtopic
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Here is some more interesting and unfortunate facts for you to present to Christians – Philo of Alexandria (also known as Philo the Jew) was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who adopted the Greek concept of the Logos into his Jewish philosophy. In contrast to the Greek Logos as some sort of divine principle of reason, Logos to Philo the Jew was an intermediary being between God and creation, identified with reason, and referred to as the “Son of God”. Really puts the idea of Jesus (esp. in John’s Gospel) in a new light and steals away much of the supposed uniqueness. https://iep.utm.edu/philo/#H11 I also enjoy pointing out that Logos was in general a product of pagan thought, specifically Heraclitus and the Stoics. In fact, many Christians recognized this in antiquity, but used it as a way to subvert Europeans by claiming that their doctrine was a higher form / completion of philosophy
Does anyone have an article that proves that European tribes weren't "backwards barbarians" or that Rome and Greece was filled with Whites?
>>8019 >tribes Just say they contributed more than Niggers. >Whites Just ask where all the non-Whites went.
>>7987 >did grudgingly allow homosexual activity in the military and in a few instances openly admitted it like in the Sacred Band of Thebes He doesn't mention that Philip II (Alexander's father) literally built a monument to the Sacred Band of Thebes after defeating them at Chaeronea because of his respect for them. Also the claim that homosexual activity was punished with death in most Greek city-states is an outright lie. There is an incredible amount of mental gymnastics and dishonesty going on with the topic of homos in classical antiquity.
>>8019 For Rome, see this post from another thread >>7109. I should eventually expand it to Greece so we can just debunk the idea that the Greeks and Italians of today are anything like those of the ancient world immediately. >European tribes weren't "backwards barbarians" This might be a worthy thing for anons to research. They obviously weren’t at the level of the developed civilizations of the Mediterranean, but I think this fails as an argument against the Germanics and Celts because in time they had fully developed civilization, high culture, literature, technology and scientific developments of their own. Of course there was input from Roman culture, but it was nothing like niggers and their introduction to civilization, where to this day they still live in utter squalor, chaos and filth with no indigenous contributions of their own.
>>8039 >>7987 Homosexuals are the one topic where I think that "by your fruits ye shall know them" is very applicable. At this point I don't put too much effort into refuting or affirming the charges against the Romans and Greeks. I think it's somewhere in the middle of both claims, but I think we can look around at the world today, and see what normalization of homosexuality has done to our society. STDs, child molestation, pedophilia, rampant promiscuity, etc and conclude that a society has no place tolerating this kind of deviant behavior. I know that the homosexuality of the ancient world is often claimed to be of a slightly different nature, but I think this time we might have to throw them back in the closet extremely hard in order to correct course
>>8021 >>8039 >>8040 >>8041 In other words none of you have decisive proof. You know you could just posted tacticus' or the other Romans and their books about Germania, or brought up that ancient origins article and some other articles that debunks homosexuality in Rome and Greece?
>>8048 >some other articles that debunks homosexuality in Rome and Greece? Arguments against homosexuality should not involve reference to Greco-Roman times. The claim that all homosexual activity was condemned in Greece and Rome is disingenuous and frankly you would need to be willingly ignorant to believe such a claim.
>>8072 >Arguments against homosexuality should not involve reference to Greco-Roman times. This is what I've said before. I am all for healthy tradition and appreciate many aspects of the Classical world, but I approach it with reason, I don't just think we should blindly do something because the Greeks or Romans did it. That's just foolish.
>>8072 >Arguments against homosexuality should not involve reference to Greco-Roman times. Arguments agaisnt homoexuality are not referring to Greco-Roman, but specifically the Roman Republic and all the way to the split of the empire. >The claim that all homosexual activity was condemned in Greece and Rome is disingenuous and frankly you would need to be willingly ignorant to believe such a claim. I don't see how debunking lies coming from the media about how the Greeks and Romans totally accepted gay buttsex is disingenuous. The Romans and Greeks did indeed mention sexual male love as degenerate and a mental illness, unless you want to prove to me that I'm indeed ignorant for believing it with some facts?
>>8048 >>8039 Go back to reddit/twitter already.
>>8092 Tucker should be attacked more often. I never thought I'd see the day on cuck/pol/ where they literally get together in general threads and watch Fox News together, but here we are. They're indistinguishable from Republicans in real life at this point. I know a faggot IRL who will nod along to all criticism of Republicans and agree, but then will go right back to saying how based Tucker is and how he is standing bravely against the left. It's all so tiring to see people fall for obvious controlled opposition time and time again.
Pornography addiction: A neuroscience perspective https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3050060/ The significance of heavy pornography involvement for romantic partners: research and clinical implications https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11995598/ Public Chastity, Private Chaos https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2015/01/public-chastity-private-chaos Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02699930802110007 Disgust as an adaptive system for disease avoidance behaviour https://www.jstor.org/stable/41148911 In Defense of Flogging http://petermoskos.com/files/moskos/moskos_2014_APJ_flogging.pdf
>>8096 Agreed, it's insane that people are falling for the same trick twice. Every excuse that is given for Tucker for not calling out the Jews or openly saying that the hatred the elite hold for 'Americans' is actually just a hatred for White people is the same type of excuse that was given for Trump during the 2016 elections.
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>>8102 I wonder though how these people can even be woken up from the fact that they are being tricked again and again. Personally my evolution has been very similar to the meme pic that I have attached, though I am not blackpilled as the wojack on the right is. It's a brutal redpill to swallow that we're never gonna get /ourguys/ on mainstream news channels and that the path forward for fascism and White nationalism will be exceedingly difficult, but this is a matter of life and death, a pill that has to be swallowed.
>>8102 >Muh tucker won't call muh Jews >Muh tucker won't become a niggerpiller faggot No wonder why fascism can't win too many retards occupying it.
>>8096 Tucker is fox news, the jews owned the media you imbecile, if Tucker calls them out his show will get shutdown and that will be the end of getting normalfags to wake up and realize the shit that is going on in America. Calling out the jews is not a solution that's what you retards want because you can't do anything else but cry and spam retarded wojack memes.
>>8110 >>8111 Tucker's not waking anyone up. He just panders to Trumpniggers and they, to no one's surprise, gobble it up. He's yet another kosher Zionist avoiding the real problems that America faces such as demographic change / White genocide and the Jewish problem. The JQ is all-important. You want people to be fed comforting lies and half-trues with no ultimate explanations. The JQ is the cold, hard truth, and continuously telling people just to vote for Jewish-controlled Republicans is worse than useless at this point. >i-i-if I keep telling them what they want to hear we'll win! >i-i-if I tread the line that ZOG drew we'll win! This is why Fascism is losing.
>>8113 No fascism is loosing because you tards are the most inactive group to exist. There is nothing but fed and niggerpiller queers who do nothing but cry muh Jew and muh nigger instead of build your communities, handing out redpolls what's going on in America or anything that brings fascism or the racial issues for Whites going in America. Wignats always lose and get cucked out by e-celebs and get subverted by faggots such as (((Richard Spencer))) or kike woods. You're losing because you fail to admit that these past 4 years of absolutely doing nothing has absolutely done nothing for Whites or fascism.
>>8113 You faggots haven't brought the JQ in conscious of Whites at all, wignats haven't accomplish a single of a iota of a fucking thing for these past three years other than being spergy, cringe, and retarded on social media and constantly listening to retarded E-celebs where half of them aren't even White fed you bullshit such as warlordism and all this other retarded shit they makes no sense. You can't call out the J's in America or on any major news site. The moment Tucker JQ is the moment he gets banned off of Fox news. If anything Tucker should be warning Whites of the various politicians such as the Rotchilds and other powerful Jews who are fucking over the country indirectly. I've seen Trump supporters mention powerful Jews and Zionists group as evil and should be tackled down, if anything Trump supporters should be lead to attacking these people instead of crying muh JQ and thinking that blowing up a federal building is going to save the White race.
>>8110 You said the same shit about Trump. >no bro, he's fucking based and redpilled, he's just not calling them out yet because of 3D chess, he's gonna lock Hillary up and build that wall!!! >no bro, it doesn't matter that his daughter married a kike, you're just trying to demoralize us, you must be a JIDF shill >no bro, it doesn't matter that he kissed the wailing wall in Israel, that's just all part of the 3D chess game And here we are, in the last year of his term and he never even built the wall, which was the main appeal of his campaign (among normalfags) in the first place.
>>8114 >>8116 Where are you newfags coming from? No one here supports e-celebs or listens to a word that (((Keith Woods))), (((Richard Spencer))) or any other of these retards says. Are you mad that your sacred cow BASTE TUCKER is being called out for being just another kosher controlled opposition Zionist TV host? The first anon is wholly ignorant to the fact that many people are taking advantage of the situation in America to redpill Whites. Just read our BLM / Weimerica threads here and you'll see anons discussing the change in attitude among some Whites and some in-roads that they have made on their friends and family. I myself have recently redpilled a close friend of mine on race realism and am slowly introducing more and more. I am surely not the only one, either. More Whites are awake than ever, and the Jews know it, otherwise they wouldn't be hammering on us constantly, and worrying about the rising number of White Nationalist terror attacks, or the proliferation of groups, or the spread of speech online. >>8114 is right thought that WNs are far too inactive. It's almost like they don't want to actually get off their asses and do anything and instead just try to find any excuse they can not to actually do something, continuously whining about feds and honeypots.
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>>8117 Trust the plan ~ Q
>>8119 >Where are you newfags coming from? No one here supports e-celebs or listens to a word that (((Keith Woods))), (((Richard Spencer))) or any other of these retards says. >Y-you don't agree with me?! N-newfag! Nigger you posted niggerpills, that kike faggot who spews nothing but garbage content and loves to suck off Dickie Spencer. >Are you mad that your sacred cow BASTE TUCKER is being called out for being just another kosher controlled opposition Zionist TV host? >Be a schizo >Cry about tucker being muh spooky Zionist >Ignore the fact that he's been shitting on trump for not pulling out the troops >Ignore the fact he's been calling out the anti Whiteness of America >Ignore the fact that he's been calling out corporative abuses and their carelessness has done nothing good for Americans. >Zionist Amazing you faggots love to call other NPCs but can't think outside of your mentally retarded heads. >The first anon is wholly ignorant to the fact that many people are taking advantage of the situation in America to redpill Whites. Just read our BLM / Weimerica threads here and you'll see anons discussing the change in attitude among some Whites and some in-roads that they have made on their friends and family. And try most of those who are aware of the anti Whiteness are also trump supporters. Are you not going to acknowledge that dumpf niggers are people who acknowledge that anti Whiteness is clear as day in America or are you going to pretend that Fascists are the only ones aware of anti Whiteness? All this other shit you said are petty excuses, of you thinking that redpoll = activism. Activism and actions speak louder than words you retard it doesn't matter what people are aware of what they need is a leaders who have solutions and wignatism and faggots like you haven't accomplished a single thing. >>8121 >Wojack Did you know that every time that you post wojack shit you only become gayer and gayer? Keep struggling with the fact that dumpf fags have more balls than you nimrods right now and those retards have been embarrassing themselves. Crying about Trump is not a personality, actually talk shit about dumpf when you faggots have actually accomplished something for once, because ITS BEEN FOUR FUCKING YEARS OF NOTHING.
>>8125 >anything that makes me uncomfortable is a blackpill Sounds like a problem with you, to be quite honest.
>>8117 What do you mean by you, retard? You faggots were the ones who were sucking off trump and the reason why niggerpills even exist was because NEETSOCs and siegetards were ass mad that trump wasn't le based and redpilled. The entirety of /pol/ shilled Trump and claimed he was going to save the White race, as matter of fact I should be saying some of things you just said you imbecile.
>>8127 Nice reading comprehension, thanks for proving my point and that you are indeed a nigger monkey who lurks on /fascist/.
>>8128 >>8129 You stick out like a sore thumb here, newfag
>>8128 >You faggots were the ones who were sucking off trump What do you mean exactly with 'you faggots'?
Take the shitflinging to the Weimerica thread, this is borderline /pol/-shit
>>8128 you're a lying shitposter. on the old site, I remember posting that I did my part by voting Trump, only to be greeted with mockery. but I still maintain my position: there's no way a politician could run on a /fascist/ platform and win a presidential election. Trump has mass appeal while still being reasonably based.
>>8151 I think a lot of us in the US probably voted for Trump. I was a lot more bluepilled than I am today in 2015-16 so I was a bit too optimistic, but in a sense I still think it was the right choice (to the extent that the choice even mattered, let's be real). A lot of the people who mocked you probably voted for Trump themselves, but like myself have become very jaded towards him after the Syria debacles, the lack of a wall, the lack of a substantial Muslim ban, and of course all of the pro-Zionist policy changes that he made. Like I've said before, the best thing Trump has done - and this is regardless of whether he's just controlled opposition or not - is to push the rhetoric more in our direction. I think the fact that he has done this is undeniable. > there's no way a politician could run on a /fascist/ platform and win a presidential election Win a presidential election? No, probably not, at least in the current environment. We need to keep pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable and winning more and more people over to the ideas of Fascism and White Nationalism. I'm very Whitepilled on the fact that our ideas are going to keep becoming more and more popular into the near future. Article after article is coming out on how "far-right extremists" are taking advantage of these protests, (((Covid))) lockdowns and the like. They wouldn't be saying anything if there was no problem, but in a more general sense due to the demographic tide and the like Whites are going to start feeling the heat more than ever. Just because I am Whitepilled on the growth of people on our side in absolute numbers though, this doesn't mean that the pressure from our enemies won't keep getting more and more intense. I think it will only worsen the bigger the threat there is. The biggest thing that needs done is that we need actual groups or at least associations of /ourguys/ on the ground.
New Asha Logos video: https://youtu.be/rYT_WugMLoY
>>8151 >Trump let his daughter marry a Jew >works against White Nationalists Okay cuck.
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>>8173 Trust the plan, w-wignat!
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>>8175 You forgot the most telling one of them all: >In a secretly recorded video of a dinner with President Donald Trump, businessmen and Rudy Giuliani associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman draw a parallel between the president and the Messiah. >Parnas presents to Trump what he says is a gift from “the head rabbi of Ukraine” and some rabbis in Israel. He explains that according to Jewish numerology, known as gematria, the letters in Trump’s name add up to 424, which is the same total as the Messiah. >“It’s like a miracle,” Fruman is heard telling Trump on the recording. >When it is clear that Trump does not understand the significance of the numerology or the Messiah, Parnas tells him to ask his Jewish son-in-law, Jared Kushner, about it, saying that Kushner “will explain it to you.” https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/In-secret-recording-Lev-Parnas-and-Igor-Fruman-draw-parallel-between-Trump-and-the-messiah-615474
>>8152 >A lot of the people who mocked you probably voted for Trump themselves, >the best thing Trump has done -- is to push the rhetoric more in our direction. I agree with this. there's a concept known as the Overton Window, which is the acceptable range of discourse in political affairs. the Far Left has already extended it much further in their direction, with their normalization of trannies, anti-Americanism, and Marxist insurrection. likewise, we need to extend it in our direction by letting people know of the dangers of miscegenation and bolshevization of culture. of course, this will have to overcome a fair amount of conditioning -- even before NPCs, normalcattle were programmed with an aversion to anything 'racist' or 'fascist'. they need to get used to the idea that subjugation and genocide can be done subtly as well as blatantly. they understand this when non-White, non-Western cultures are targeted, they simply need to break through the mental barrier to realize that this also applies to our Western, White heritage. as for Trump, I remain optimistic. many seeming delays and shortcomings are due to massive obstructionism in Congress and courts, which culminated in a gov't shutdown awhile ago, and then a declaration of a state of emergency. it's entirely possible for Trump to hit an inflection point, especially on constructing the Wall. I'd like to specifically address Trump and Zionism. as you well know, the ADL has long worked to ensure that anti-semitism is verboten in polite society. for Trump to openly blame Jews or even Israel would simply be too dangerous. by publicly supporting Zionism and being friendly with Jews, this provides Trump with a shield against accusations of anti-semitism, and can even turn it around on his opponents. in addition, Christian evangelicals are an important consituency, and they're pro-Israel for various theological reasons. it all makes strategic sense, as usual.
>>8151 >you're a lying shitposter. on the old site, I remember posting that I did my part by voting Trump, only to be greeted with mockery. but I still maintain my position: there's no way a politician could run on a /fascist/ platform and win a presidential election. Trump has mass appeal while still being reasonably based. I don't believe this shit at all. because I saw nothing, but Nat Soc shilling Trump I've seen them on Twatter praising Trump as the new leader of NS. >>8175 Nice Strawman cuckchanner, but it doesn't stop the fact that Trump supporters have more power and popularity than you tards do. You've been enforcing and struggling with the facts the le meme about Whites going on a rampage isn't going to happen. The only way we can win this culture war is if we become leaders ourselves and stop crying about muh orange every fucking stream with the same gay wojacks meme. You dumb niggers need to learn how to strategize and stop being a bunch of cucks.
>>8200 >I don't believe this shit at all. because I saw nothing, but Nat Soc shilling Trump I've seen them on Twatter praising Trump as the new leader of NS. Fucking lol, you take the words of universally-disdained Twitter LARPers over actual people on a board dedicated to Fascism.
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>>8200 >Nice Strawman cuckchanner Calling people who say things you don't like cuckchanner won't make you fit in more, kike. >but it doesn't stop the fact that Trump supporters have more power and popularity than you tards do How does that change the fact that Trump is a Zionist cuck who has done nothing for Whites in the US? You could say that Biden supporters may have more power and influence than we do, does that make Biden himself a good potential president? No, of course not. >The only way we can win this culture war is if we become leaders ourselves Fair enough but we can still criticize Trump for sucking jewish cock and the people who still go on pretending that he is doing anything but that. >and stop crying about muh orange every fucking stream What stream are you talking about?
I'm not sure exactly how this thread devolved into Burger politics garbage, but take it either to the Weimerica thread >>6330 or the QTTDDTOT >>7682 so people in the future will actually be able to find interesting links
>>8072 >>8073 How many times do we have to tell you faggots that homofascista is not a thing? The Greeks and Romans aren't gay, if you want homosexuality with supposed "fascist" ideas then you can become Stalinists or whatever form of communism or join the Nazbol shitskins who are unironic homosexuals. Rome and Greece did condemn same sex relationships and did not recognize two males in relationship, accepting liberal and communists degeneracy/myths goes against fascism.
>>8215 >Fucking lol, you take the words of universally-disdained Twitter LARPers over actual people on a board dedicated to Fascism. Except he isn't wrong, there were legit National Socialists and fascists back in 2014-2016 who believed that Trump would become the Fascist leader of America, because his opening election announced that he was against Israeli wars and immigration.
>>8225 The idea of homosexuality as some sort of "orientation" didn't exist in the ancient world. You were expected to get married to a woman and form a family and it wasn't a "relationship" in the sense that degenerates engage in today. This is correct, though it's undeniable that some in the Greco-Roman elite engaged in degeneracies like pederasty.
You guys should check out Apollonian Germ. I enjoy his views and find them very comfy. Recently he has been taking on the Traditionalist school, which is definitely something that needs to be done. I'm tired of people like Guenon being shilled, and the ideas of "spiritual race" and other ways of thinking which totally denigrate or even negate the existence of material reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhi2FKwQbn4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRija9BVxnk >>8261 Is it true that STJ is pozzed? Varg was posting some evidence that his wife is a Zionist. hung out with negroes and acted like a whore. I haven't been able to view him the same since then, unfortunately. Here are the photos: https://ibb.co/album/gmCM6z
>>8267 Varg can be dumb as hell, but at the same time he can be really smart and correct about a lot of things. I've been suspicious of STJ for a while now and noticed how he loves to take info from modern academia such as the kikes in Harvard who come out with DNA tests.
>>8272 I definitely think that Varg offers more good than bad information. Where he really goes off the rails is when he talks about stuff like that pagans didn't believe in "real" gods, or autism being some sort of superpower or that Whites are Neanderthals. Besides that, I have no issues with him and I think he does a good job calling out those who deserve to be called out for the most part.
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>>8267 >Is it true that STJ is pozzed? Varg was posting some evidence that his wife is a Zionist. hung out with negroes and acted like a whore. I don't know about that. Varg also claimed that STJ is a freemason and crypto-Catholic (because he said he used to be a Catholic as a child but converted to Paganism) so I'd take it with a grain of salt. I'd be interested in seeing the evidence you mentioned though. >>8274 It all seems dumb at first but I think he's just not good at getting his points across in a non-autistic way, which is common for people who adhere strongly to personal principles of any kind. As for his ideas about Paganism not really being about worshiping gods but rather about attaining and contacting supernatural powers, this actually seems very similar to Evola's views on what religion is supposed to be. In this video >>8163 on the Oera Linda book, it is said that Europeans used to only believe in one, formless monotheistic god which was more like a natural power (just like Brahman, Kami etc.). Himmler, who strongly believed in the authenticity of the Oera Linda book, said that the polytheism and myths of the various gods in European Paganism were meant more so for the low-class masses while the elite had its own monotheistic cult in which they tried to attain knowledge of the true nature of Logos. There have also been historical theories that the Nordic and Indo-Aryan gods (Odin/Wodan, Indra) are symbolic for the Indo-European invaders who conquered neolithic Europe and Dravidian India respectively, meaning that they might have originally been seen more similar to saints or angels rather than as the highest beings in the universe. As for his ideas on autism, I think his point was that people with autism seem to be more aware of the wrongs of modern society and generally, the aspects of modern society that they are sensitive to also happen to be the same things that far-righters oppose. Things like noise pollution, high population density, hyper-sexuality, over-socialization, normalfag consumerist culture etc. We can also see that many autists voluntarily isolate themselves from society by becoming NEETs/shut-ins for example, even though they generally are intelligent enough to be able to attain high incomes if they really tried.
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>>8329 Varg might get hyperbolic in some of his accusations, but there typically seems to be at least a grain of truth. The evidence for what I said is in the photo album that I linked in my my post here >>8267. The name to be on the lookout for in that image collection is Gerda Maria Rowsell, wife of Thomas Rowsell, aka Survive the Jive. There are multiple pictures of her hanging out with niggers and engaging in degenerate activities such as smoking weed and evidence of her 'liking' an image of a White and a black kissing. Her friends are all feminists or blacks The name Lundgren is her maiden name too, and we can see several members of her family posting "Shalom" to each other and information about Tel Aviv
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>>8329 And concerning the crypto-Catholic accusation, I think it is because he got married in a Catholic church despite claiming to be a pagan. He might have just done it for his families' sake, but who knows
>>8339 Okay, that is pretty decent evidence, I'll admit. For fuck's sake, why do most online right-wingers that aren't Jewish themselves have to end up being married to a Jewess. >>8340 He said he held two weddings; one in Christian style, the other in Pagan style. There is another photo of him in the Pagan-style wedding outside with a hat on. I don't feel like finding it right now but I'm sure it's still up on either his personal Instagram page or Twitter. And yes, he did say the Christian wedding was mainly to please relatives.
>>8329 Interesting stuff about the Oera Linda. Someone posted a video about it ITT the other day (probably you), I will have to go watch it. And on autists, I hadn't thought of it like that. If that's what he means I guess I would see what he means a bit more now
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>>8341 One should always treat ecelebs in our circles on YouTube that aren't nuked after hitting a certain threshold with a healthy dose of suspicion. Usually there's a reason why they're allowed to stay on the platform, usually being the fact that they are frauds or associated with Jews themselves. Regarding the wedding, ignoring all the stuff about his wife for a second, that's pretty innocuous. I might think that's married to an utter degenerate, but getting married in a church, especially for the sake or relatives, hardly discredits him. And you said he had another wedding too, so. Varg would disavow him completely over that, but it's understandable.
>>8342 Doesn't the Oera Linda put all priestly stuff in the hands of women? or am I mistaking it for some crazy bullshit the jews put out?
Does anyone have anything that explains why the Aryans in India became more Dravadian or Dravadian-like overtime?
>>8352 I wrote up a big post attempting to answer your question, but when I tried to submit Anon Cafe was down again. I still have it up on my computer so I will submit it tomorrow morning. Pray my computer does not reset or something, I will be very upset. Basically the post talks about some of the flaws in the caste system regarding mutts and marriages between castes in The Law Code of Manu. The ideal that is not reached in these laws is present in the Bhagavad Gita, particularly in the first chapter. This will give some good contrast for tomorrow’s post. 1.41 >With the preponderance of vice [adharma], O Krishna, the women of the family become immoral; and from the immorality of women, O descendent of Vrishni, unwanted progeny [varṇa-saṅkaraḥ] are born. The interesting term in this verse is “varṇa-saṅkaraḥ”. ‘Varna’ means according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon variously color, race, species, kind, tribe, order, caste, etc, while ‘sankara’ means mixing together, intermixture, commingling, especially of castes of races. So basically, varna-sankara unambiguously and undeniably means that mixed race offspring result from a preponderance of adharma, which effects the women and leads them into degeneracy and coal-burning. 1.42: >An increase in unwanted children [sankara] results in hellish life both for the family and for those who destroy the family. Deprived of the sacrificial offerings, the ancestors of such corrupt families also fall. Again we “sankara” in the Sanskrit. What this verse truly says is that more mutts make society a hellhole for all. 1.43: >Through the evil deeds of those who destroy the family tradition and thus give rise to unwanted progeny [varna-sankara], a variety of social and family welfare activities [jati-dharma] are ruined. Again we see the term referring to mixed race children and how they arise from a destruction of tradition and a spreading of vice. The term jati-dharma is also interesting. ‘Jati’ alone refers to the form of existence fixed by birth, whether this is race, species, lineage. Jatidharma means caste, duty, generic or specific. Adds a bit of nuance. We see that the Gita proclaims that race-mixing is the result of adharma, not being in tune with the Natural Order, and that the result of this is mongrels, hell on earth and the destruction of the family. Quite a contrast to the Laws of Manu, as shall be seen. If they had followed the Gita they’d still be White today
Also does anyone got an article about the whole belief of the soul evolving into heroes, demi-gods, gods and beyond? >>8354 Right, but this more explains of the fact that the Aryans did not read or listen to the warnings of the Gita, so it doesn't make sense why they would go agaisnt the Gita unless something happened in India that forced them to mix.
>>8367 >Right, but this more explains of the fact that the Aryans did not read or listen to the warnings of the Gita, so it doesn't make sense why they would go agaisnt the Gita unless something happened in India that forced them to mix. Look up the terms Pratiloma and Anuloma and a lot will begin to make sense to you. I cover this in the post I’ll submit tomorrow that includes some stuff from the Laws of Manu from how they were far too accepting of non-Aryan blood coming into castes. Unfortunately the Gita post was intended to be the second half of my original post but I wanted to get at least half of it out there.
>>8347 It is discussed in the video. They had something akin to Vestal Virgins in peacetime but would return power to men during wartime. Tacticus also described celibate Germanic women, such as Veleda, as having important spiritual positions in their society. >>8343 Well, STJ seems like he is aware of how easy it is to get banned so I think he simply refrains from making comments that make it too obvious what his political stance is but every video of his will contain some cheeky inside joke or reference. Any British man who speaks positively of his colonial roots in this day and age cannot be a leftist. >Varg would disavow him completely over that, but it's understandable. True but STJ doesn't seem to be as hardcore anti-Christian as Varg is, he has spoken very positively of some of his Christian ancestors for example. >>8347 I am currently reading Evola's book on Buddhism and there is a part where it was said that the Buddha complained about high-caste men going to bed with lower-caste women purely for lustful purposes (not unlike some men in today's west, Dolph Lundgren is a great example). There are also parts of India where the Brahmin caste is racially Dravidian and it could be that over time, these Dravidian Brahmins intermixed with the Aryan Brahmins of the more Northern regions, because they had forgotten about the racial origin of the caste system. But maybe that theory is a bit too far-stretched. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Brahmin
>>8365 >First, according to genetics and archeology, our species emerged out of eastern Africa, from dark-skinned people R*ddit moment.
>>8381 >>8365 Stop linking an edgy shitlib. I mean: >muh science and democracy came from Da People >muh capitalism/neoliberalism is bad from muh inequal >orange man bad >shitty cartoon avatar Him going full race nun reel clinches it. On a side note how come lib entertainment/entertainment culture is always either "graahh i hate this world i hate everyone in it" or "giggle wubba dub dub"?
>>8382 Because liberals are nihilists and hate everything that doesn't go their way. They are one of the worst narcissists and just as narcissistic as Marxists. >>muh science and democracy came from Da People >muh capitalism/neoliberalism is bad from muh inequal Isn't funny that liberals and communists share the same ideals and beliefs?
>>8367 >Also does anyone got an article about the whole belief of the soul evolving into heroes, demi-gods, gods and beyond? I assume you've got the claim of sou; evolution from this?http://honortheroots.com/basics-of-asatru/ >The ancient Northern Europeans viewed the soul in the exactly same way the Hellenic religion viewed the evolution of the soul. The goal of the soul was a natural evolution or progression. From human the soul has the possibility to become a hero. From hero the soul had the possibility of becoming a demi-god. From demi-god the soul could become a god and beyond. Is there any truth to this at all,? I have heard of men or the possibility of Aryans evolving into heroes and gods, but never heard of anything such as the hellenics and astaru believed that the soul could evolve.
>>8352 >Does anyone have anything that explains why the Aryans in India became more Dravadian or Dravadian-like overtime? Unironically because of hypergamy and racemixing. Chapter ten of the Law Code of Manu deals with a lot of this. Here is one telling passage: 10.66-70 >If it be asked: who is superior? A child born accidentally to a Brahmin man by a non-Arya woman or a child of a non-Arya man by a Brahmin woman? This is the resolution: a child born to an Arya man by a non-Arya woman becomes an Arya by reason of his attributes, while a child born to a non-Arya man by an Arya woman is a non-Arya. Neither of these should be permitted to receive vedic initation - that is the settled Law; the former because of the inferiority of his birth and the latter because he was born in the inverse order of class. As a good seed sprouting in a good field grows vigorously, so a child born to an Arya man by an Arya woman is worthy of receiving all the consecratory rights. >Some wise men extol the seed, others the field, and yet others both the seed and the field. 10.73 >The creator evaluated a non-Arya who acts like an Arya and a Arya who acts like a non-Arya and declared: 'They are neither equal nor unequal' Now what is interesting in these verses is that (1) it shows that there was debate over what constituted an Aryan, as is seen in the line "Some wise men extol the seed, others the field, and yet others both the seed and the field." Unfortunately, though, it appears that the most sensible solution in light of what we know today, which would be valuing both the seed and the field, was the option not settled on. Some things never change, seeing as how they appear to have settled for the classic cuck-move of "w-well if they act like us.." Vedic Aryans had two words for relations that involved people of different social classes - pratiloma and anuloma. Pratiloma referred to relations between a lower-caste man and a higher-caste woman. These are seen as degenerate, described as "going against the grain". Anuloma marriages were "with the gain". They were hypergamous. Lower status females were permitted to marry higher-caste males and have children that were accepted as Aryans or close to Aryans. This diluted the upper castes and contributed to the destruction of White Vedic society. The Bhagavad Gita condemns this degeneracy in harsh terms, as can be seen in my first post (which was supposed to come last)
>>8386 >These are seen as degenerate, described as "going against the grain". Anuloma marriages were "with the gain". They were hypergamous. Lower status females were permitted to marry higher-caste males and have children that were accepted as Aryans or close to Aryans. In other words they messed up big time.
>>8386 >>8387 I can see where they were coming from. Generally, the appearance and personality of a child born from a racemixed relationship generally depends on the race of his father. I have noticed that mulatto's with a White father will generally look very similar to Whites and also have a more tempered character whereas mulatto's born from a black father will act and look more similar to a full-blood nigger. I guess this is also the mindset that they must have applied. But I suppose over time, the exception became the rule and that is why most of the pure Aryans died out.
>>8387 >In other words they messed up big time. Yeah, you could say that. >>8389 It's also worth noting that Aryans were a small minority as well in that time. I'm not trying to justify their race-mixing, but I see why it happened. In many ways it was the opposite situation of what we see today. They were very protective over their women, but were sexually promiscuous themselves when it came to intermingling with subhumans. Today it's the opposite. We've lost all hold on our women. Seems to be very similar to what happened in the Americas with the Spanish. I doubt many Spanish women were getting married to natives, but we all know that men were fathering mestizos left and right.
>>8392 Well, both situations are bad of course, but I still prefer such a more patriarchal scenario over the matriarchal system that Jews have where women are the promiscuous race-mixers. >It's also worth noting that Aryans were a small minority as well in that time I wonder why there never was an attempt to import fellow Aryans from other societies, such as that of Iran, to make up for their lack of numbers. Supposedly, that is what the elite of Ancient Egypt did because they were that against intermixing with the dark-skinned lower classes. At some points, they even went so far as to marry their own siblings to keep the bloodline pure.
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>>8398 >I still prefer such a more patriarchal scenario over the matriarchal system that Jews have where women are the promiscuous race-mixers. Oh, for sure >I wonder why there never was an attempt to import fellow Aryans from other societies, such as that of Iran, to make up for their lack of numbers. That's a good question. I think it raises the question of how united Aryans saw themselves to be. Just look at ancient Greece. There was of course a distinction between the Greek and the Barbarian, but it's a little harder to say that there was a single Greek people given the fact that there was ethnic subdivisions within the Greek people of antiquity and a high degree of localism. That isn't to say that there was no Greek people and that it's all a fiction like Jews would tell you. There undeniable were common features, racial characteristics, shared Panhellenic traditions, gods, etc. If something like this existed in Greece alone, I can only imagine that between northern India and Iran a divergence between languages and traditions probably grew larger and larger, as well as had memory of their origins in the west. More importantly though, I think if we look at the geography between Iran and Northern India, we're hit with the Himalayas
John Chang demonstrating Chi/Vril/Prana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYM0vNufwc There is a book about this guy, called "The Magus of Java".
>>8428 I watched a Robert Sepher video on Vril as well, and always wondered what it was and how the NS accessed it.
>As for his ideas about Paganism not really being about worshiping gods but rather about attaining and contacting supernatural powers, this actually seems very similar to Evola's views on what religion is supposed to be Right, but how is that going to work? You can't really become a God and I'm pretty sure the sagas and Vedic makes it the case that mortals can't become Godly, so it would only end in pretend.
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Varg has always been an atheist clothed in pagan aesthetics. I like the guy, but everything I've seen so far seems to support my view.
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>>8439 >Nature is the Gods In a way this is true >We are the gods Literally that make no sense whatsoever >The childish idea of real gods is that you can pray to and talk to What the fuck is he even talking about? He is not seriously going to tell pagans to play and pretend as a God or something?
>>8443 Have you never encountered Cosmotheism? or the theory that the Gods are just our ancestors and thus we carry their divine heritage and as such would be more akin to gods than other races?
>>8446 Is he really expounding anything like Cosmotheism here, though? I have my doubts. As you know obviously, Cosmotheism says that we partake in the divine nature of the Whole as a consequence of everything within the Whole being a mere part in relation to it. From what I've read or heard from Pierce, we certainly are manifestations of God, but not really "gods", since the main "creed" or shortest summary of Cosmotheist beliefs says that our destiny is godhood, so there has to be a continual evolution towards this path, but I don't think that is what Varg is quite saying >or the theory that the Gods are just our ancestors and thus we carry their divine heritage and as such would be more akin to gods than other races? Redpill me on this, isn't that Serrano's theory?
>>8439 There isn't much difference between an "atheist" and a "deist" in this context, you can believe there's something more without believing the Jew god is going to physically step on us at any moment. I am Germanic and I knew immediately when I was very very young that Christianity was totally phony, and I had epiphanies while sitting alone in the snowy forest much like Hitler did, our religion should be based around the mystery and magic of such blood memories in order to reinforce what is already there, making the ancestors who created our instincts God. "Real" gods don't need to enter into the equation unless for some reason we think we need to wrangle retards instead of purging them asap via eugenics.
>>8446 But he rejects that there is a such thing as real gods meaning he probably doesn't believe in truly believe in the divine. It seems he sees that Aryans should either make others believe we are Godly or pretend we are godly or something.
>>8451 I'd also be interested in seeing what exactly he means by "NATURE is the gods". There are two alternatives here - (1) he literally believes that Nature is divine, or (2) he is just poetically speaking about the world around him. Pantheism is a good position to hold, I think, and it is far from Abrahamic theism in its conception of God. Concerning anthropomorphic gods, I'm fairly sure they aren't real, but it's worth noting that they only showed themselves to certain people of their choice in the old epics, especially the Greek ones. I remain skeptical though
>>8452 My guess is that he believes that nature itself is Godly and that we humans are its protectors or something. >Concerning anthropomorphic gods, I'm fairly sure they aren't real, Curious why do you say that? I honestly think that they may take human forms once in a while. but not in a sense that is their true forms.
>>8453 >My guess is that he believes that nature itself is Godly and that we humans are its protectors or something. I could see him thinking that. He has criticized atheists in the past if I remember correctly so unless we are to presume some serious double-think he must view himself as not an atheist, and that would be the most likely position for him to have. I'll have to take the time to find as much info from Varg on this matter as possible one of these days. >I honestly think that they may take human forms once in a while. but not in a sense that is their true forms. You know, that is very possible and would be an interesting rebuttal to Xenophanes' criticism of anthropomorphism: >If cows and horses and lions had hands, or could draw with their hands and make things as men can, horses would have drawn horse-like gods, cows cow-like gods, and each species would have made their gods bodies' just like their own
>>8459 >You know, that is very possible and would be an interesting rebuttal to Xenophanes' criticism of anthropomorphism Wouldn't this change how we look at the sagas as well?
>>8449 I don't know whose theory it is, though i know groups like the Stoics expounded on it as a theory. It seems the proper way to view it that within this universe there are no gods per se like some think of Zeus and Indra, so Zeus et al. were mortal men who performed deeds so great that they were deified posthumously, this is how I view it and as such any man can be a god he just has to be deemed worthy of it by his people. A separate question is that of Supreme gods forces like Brahman or if I remember my Greek mythology correctly the Primordial Chaos or Pierces Creator those are logically correct to believe in but as a First cause, whether they are sapient or have any impact on this universe beyond being the Law of nature itself, I don't think anyone can know.
>>8468 I think it would change things less than we’d think, actually. Unless you have a specific example in mind
>>8446 >than other races But other races do ancestor worship too iirc.
>>8485 And? that they do it too, does not invalidate our own views on it, nor does it make any claims of theirs of being closest to gods or god or what have you any more or less valid either. They are free to believe they are superior and we are free to demonstrate just how fucking mistaken they are.
>>8495 > They are free to believe they are superior and we are free to demonstrate just how fucking mistaken they are. If that's the case why not just exterminate them?
>>8498 Many intend to, it's called Ethnoglobe, though the concept stretches as far back as Darwin who sincerely believed the superior races aka Whites, would exterminate all other great apes on earth within a few hundred years.
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>>8499 Case in point: >While European tribes spread over the whole globe, other tribes or species of men every year draw nearer to their complete extinction. This is the case especially with the redskins of America, and with the copper-coloured natives of Australia. Even if these races were to propagate more abundantly than the White Europeans, yet they would sooner or later succumb to the latter in the struggle for life. t. Ernst Haeckel
>>8439 He's just saying that the gods aren't meant to be seen as being these anthropomorphic figures who sit on a cloud controlling the weather with magical hammers, which is a view that was spread by early Christians to discredit the Pagan faith. Maybe the masses did view religion that way but I highly doubt the priests/druids of pre-Christian Europe would have thought the gods were something like that. Collin Cleary also speaks of this subject of how literally one should take the Pagan gods in his book 'Summoning the Gods'. So I don't see how these views, which are common among people who delve deeper into the true nature of religion, make him an atheist, he just doesn't take religion as literally as some people would. In every Aryan faith, the anthropomorphic gods were always seen as being personifications of different aspects of the actual highest divine power.
>>8506 >Maybe the masses did view religion that way but I highly doubt the priests/druids of pre-Christian Europe would have thought the gods were something like that. We definitely know from books like Cicero's "The Nature of the Gods" that the idea of the gods as a man in the clouds controlling the weather or whatever was something they associated with superstitious people in the masses. These were educated Roman aristocrats speaking, but it wouldn't surprise me if priests / druids had more sophisticated ideas of the gods as well. It's really a shame that what people learn in school is this extremely simple and dumbed-down conception of what pagan religions were. In that book I mentioned above, there was debate over whether the gods were anthropomorphic or not, but even the arguments in the book seemed to hit this pretty hard, so there were definitely people who believed this in one way or another.
>>8509 >It's really a shame that what people learn in school is this extremely simple and dumbed-down conception of what pagan religions were I think it also has to do with the fact that the majority of followers of the Abrahamic religions today take their own faith and scriptures as literally as possible (part of the reason why religion itself got a bad reputation in recent decades and as a result we saw the rise of the 'militant atheist') so they assume that it must have been the same for other religious groups. I myself went to a Christian school as a child and as is common in Christian education, it was never implied in any way that there could be some sort of symbolic meaning behind the stories in the Bible, we were essentially taught that these fantastical stories were exactly how history played out and that God was directly communicating and intervening with the people involved in these stories.
>>8506 He's also denying that there are no divine gods that we don't harmonize with which is incorrect. Varg doing his famous right and wrong sperginess once again. The Gods are indeed real and they do have divine power, they are a part of nature and we can communicate with them to extents, and obtain their gifts, but yes they never were Anthromorphic nor were they ever viewed by the priests in a Abrahamic viewpoint.
>>8511 You're definitely right about a sort of crude literalism or shallow understandings in general being pretty common. The "sky daddy" meme doesn't just come from nowhere, unfortunately. It comes from a really shallow conception of theism that takes literally five minutes of research to see that no educated philosopher has ever argued for such a thing. And from the fact that many militant atheists who were formerly Christian use such an idea of God when trying to argue against theists shows that they probably held such a shallow and unsophisticated view themselves. Ideally education in the future will not entirely neglect these matters.
>Read 'Myth of the 20th Century' by Alfred Rosenberd >Read 'Wisdom of the stoics' by Carl Jung >Read 'The Kyballion' by The Three Initiates >Read 'The Next Leap' by IronMarch >Read 'The Lightning and the Sun' by Savitri Devi >Read 'The Chaldean Oracles' by Zoroaster (what little fragments are left) also, if anyone can help fit the gnostic tradition into this reading list, it would be much appreciated; i personally struggle with that path as it always seems to be more 'dark' than most theological works i've read.
>>8589 I’m reading pic related literally right now and I think it’s well worth reading. I’ve learned some interesting things about Marcion and Valentinus in particular. I thought that the Demiurge was always some malevolent being, but this is not necessarily, he is a flawed or ignorant as best, though in some systems he was cast as evil. Some quotes: >Marcion’s creator god, by contrast, is not evil, but unrelentingly just. His moral demands on human beings are not really wrong—certainly people should not kill, and they should honor their parents—but he has set the bar so high, and his punishments are so severe, that mere mortal human beings cannot hope to avoid eternal damnation. His severe and uncompromising regime resembles that of authoritarian earthly rulers. Unlike Ialdabaoth, this creator does not have a clear relationship to the ultimate God, whom Marcion calls the Stranger. The Stranger is a divine being who is utterly transcendent and, until the arrival of Jesus, unknown to this created order. >Valentinus took from the Gnostics the idea that the created material world is the result of some sort of mistake or error by a feminine figure. He did not, however, portray this world in unrelentingly negative terms, but stressed its dependence on God and its ultimate meaninglessness, even unreality. According to Irenaeus, Valentinus agreed with the Gnostics that the ultimate God unfolds himself into a series of emanations, one of which “revolted” or “turned away” and “became lacking,” resulting in the generation of the material world. In The Gospel of Truth, this turning away from knowledge of the ultimate God is personified as Error, the feminine origin of materiality. Valentinus’s Error combines and adapts the figures of Wisdom and Ialdabaoth in Gnostic myth. Because the material world has its origin in error or ignorance, it is ultimately not real, for the only true reality is God, and other beings are real only to the extent that they participate in God through knowledge of him.
>>8597 thanks. i will look into. i want to be very surgical about this line of thought

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