I’ll start: >slavery more often than not can develop into a form of degeneracy if one is not careful >classical Social Darwinism is a form of decadent individualism and capitalist apologia >polygamy is desirable and eugenic under the right conditions

>>6675 >slavery more often than not can develop into a form of degeneracy if one is not careful Here's something else to add onto that. >Those who rely completely on slave labor will eventually degenerate. They cannot produce their own labor so they have to force someone to do it for them. The Spartans are an example of this.

>>6683 Exactly, that is when it becomes a degenerate behavior. Interestingly this can be even seen in non-humans which engage in slavery, like certain types of ants. Some species of slaver ants will raid another colony, kill all of the inhabitants and transport the pupae of the other species into their own nest. When they hatch, they care for all the work of the slavers. In the ant Polyergus they are complete dependent on having slaves, and will die off if they have none. In a few other species they *can* work on their own but have become inept without slaves. I believe natural slavery is a thing, but never should we become wholly reliant upon their labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave-making_ant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyergus

>There is nothing wrong with a philosophy being "life denying." Indeed, much of the degeneracy peddled by Jews can be traced to how rooted in the world they are. >building on the above >Varg is a libshit who took his wife's surname. >All "nationalism" that isn't rooted in decreasing chains of blood relation to the Volk's ruler and below is civic nationalism. That includes "White Nationalism" as peddled by the likes of Greg Johnson. >Monarchy is good. It doesn't need to be hereditary and in a less Clown World succession can be a matter of the king selecting from a pool of 100 candidates who themselves went through a process. >Imperialism is good and opposition to it is always just muh optics-tier cuckoldry. >White "We Wuzzery" is shameful and roots in the same thing that Nig and Jew We Wuzzery roots (living in fantasy, wallowing in resentment). >Having other races/ethnics under the same rule is fine as long as they each have their defined places, duties, etc. American racial history is far more fractious compared with say, Vedic India since the FFs ultimately didn't have an actual plan for the American Negro in their new society beyond slavery. >There is no argument against not taking the Vedas and other Hindu writings as a key source for defining a post-Christian theology. >All modern entertainment is degenerate in higher and lower levels.

>>6692 >Varg is a libshit Care to elaborate?

>>6693 >I dump CO2 into the atmosphere to make more forests >if you don't like it, plant more trees Based Varg.

>>6693 >I dump CO2 into the atmosphere to make more forests >if you don't like it, plant more trees Based Varg.

>>6692 >Jim Donald is right about women. >"Heterosexuality" is too a degenerate notion since it too treats who you stick your dick in as overriding all other concerns of identity. >You can't be a genuine Fascist and a Christian. >Prostitution should be legalized and well-funded while pornography with mass lewdness outlawed. >We already have a "polygamous" society. It's Globohomo. We have filth like OnlyFans since "Empowerment" and "Sexual Revolution" were ultimately a tool to let women take advantage of their "natural capital" (much easier to sell their tits and asses to men not approved by their fathers, brothers, their immediate community) with Globohomo's troopers (see celebrities, musicians, politicians, welfare, etc.) as the biggest pimp >>6693 He seriously went full "muh native americans were killed by Whitey" when talking about the US. Said it's fine for women to not have children even there's no biological impairment to. He took his wife's surname. He didn't get his kids into his theology.

>>6697 A serious question though, weren't the native Americans genocided? Crusius even mentions this in hismanifesto. I don't think you should feel bad for it since Might Makes Right but isn't it true? I know the majority of them were killed by diseases but it's still undeniable that at least some of them were killed by direct force. Compared to other groups, they got off pretty good by getting their own territory in Oklahoma. Too bad the (((Federal Government))) annexed it after the Civil War.

>>6692 >>There is nothing wrong with a philosophy being "life denying." Indeed, much of the degeneracy peddled by Jews can be traced to how rooted in the world they are. Life-denying philosophies and religions are a problem when they cause one to behave as if the world they live in does not matter, or it is of secondary importance to some ethereal world of "spirit". Life-deniers very frequently downplay the reality or importance of racial differences as a result of this, since they will refer to "spiritual equality". Part of the reason that the Jews have earned so much temporal power is that because at its root, Judaism is a supremacist life-affirming religion. It is a degenerate life-affirming religion, but it would be a massive mistake to say that this is inherent to any affirmation of life. The pagan religions of ancient Europe were likewise life-affirming, more vigorous, healthy and natural to the people who lived them. Denial of life and slave morality are often at least partially the product of weakness and resentment. >>White "We Wuzzery" is shameful and roots in the same thing that Nig and Jew We Wuzzery roots (living in fantasy, wallowing in resentment). In many cases we truly wuz, though. >>6697 >A serious question though, weren't the native Americans genocided? In a sense, but like you said yourself, massive amounts were killed by natural selection alone due to the diseases brought by Europeans. The overwhelming majority died off this way totally independent of Europeans. Varg decries the entire settlement of North America by Europeans. He is also, apparently, opposed to the idea of "might makes right". I saw him say this in a tweet once but I'm not sure if I'll be able to find it.

>>6702 >weren't the native Americans genocided? Yes and it was their own stupid fucking fault for attacking the colonists in the first place. native Americans are just red niggers.

>>6684 > In the ant Polyergus they are complete dependent on having slaves, and will die off if they have none. Rome anyone?

>>6744 I agree with that the native Americans had valid reasoning for attacking them. They saw the White settlers as invaders coming into their lands. I don't know how many of them held the belief that it wasn't their land but instead they belonged to land. The native Americans didn't stand together and instead kept fighting among themselves and because of this, they lost most of their ancestral lands. I think most of this conversation is irrelevant since what has happened has happened and nothing can be done to change the past.

White supremacy is a good thing and Whites should colonize,conquer, and ecofash (which is just fascism to be honest) the entire planet and establish themselves as a superior or godly race instead of going into shitholes like India only for economic income like the British.

>>6765 I’ve always thought that people were cucks who tried to say that “White Supremacy” is just a Jewish pejorative and is inaccurate. I wouldn’t use the term to refer to myself, but it’s certainly not an inaccurate term. Whites are supreme and constitute a true aristocracy of Nature. We are superior (we’re generalizing of course) in intelligence, beauty, creativity, the ability to create and sustain cultures and societies and in many other domains. Outside of the instinct to self-preservation of oneself and one’s own kin in all animals, the things described previously are the exact reason why we desire to preserve our people and create the best people that we can. All of Nature is ordered in a hierarchy, and on Earth Whites come on top. It was our destiny to rule the entire planet, but we have been temporarily diverted.

>>6765 The entire planet? How can Whites survive in extremely hot and dry regions such as those along the equator? Most Whites can't last a full day in the intense sun without air conditioning. We're adapted to live in cool and darker environments, like forests.

>>6771 What the fuck are you talking about? Whites can live in intense heat especially with sun lotion or some types of oils, and tanning are useful. The British were literally able to live in the hottest dangers in Africa I don't see how this should be a problem for Whites.

>>6767 Anyone who claims to be a White nationalist who thinks White supremacy is bad, but "a nation for everyone" is good is either a cuck, a faggot, and/or a liberal. Mostly likely the retards saying this are kikes or spics larping as Whites or dumb Whites who think that everything will be alright as long as they don't mix with other races and they chimp out in their own cities. And honestly another unpopular opinion, Hitler was kinda of retarded trying to be an anti imperialist. His imperialism should of just been more race aware and sought to bring European people under supremacy of everyone else.

>>6772 >What the fuck are you talking about? Solar ultraviolet radiation is what the fuck I'm talking about, Anon! The stuff that makes you burn in the sun. Lighter skinned individuals are not able to tolerate it as well as darker skinned individuals. >Whites can live in intense heat especially with sun lotion or some types of oils Of course they can, but from an ecofascist point of view it would be unsustainable to produce the amount of sunscreen needed for Whites if they lived in the desert. Then you have to package and transport the sunscreen, using up a lot of petroleum and fuel. Also a lot of synthetic sunscreens are very toxic to the environment and have been shown to harm aquatic life. It's a mess that can be avoided by simply living where we're best adapted - the forests. Finally, why the would you even want to live in a desert?

>>6715 >Life-denying philosophies and religions are a problem when they cause one to behave as if the world they live in does not matter, or it is of secondary importance to some ethereal world of "spirit". Sounds to me like you're just some fedora tipper. >Life-deniers very frequently downplay the reality or importance of racial differences as a result of this, since they will refer to "spiritual equality". You say that, yet the Jews you sing the of are mongrels themselves. The Jewish American Princess sees "virginity" as "take nigger dick up your ass not your pussy." Moses himself took a wife outside of his own kind with Yahweh punishing a woman speaking out against such. >Part of the reason that the Jews have earned so much temporal power is that because at its root, Judaism is a supremacist life-affirming religion. They had nowhere near the level of power within European societies prior to modernity. The Jews achieving their current position depended on the White Man himself becoming degenerate. >It is a degenerate life-affirming religion, but it would be a massive mistake to say that this is inherent to any affirmation of life. The pagan religions of ancient Europe were likewise life-affirming, more vigorous, healthy and natural to the people who lived them. The Ancient Greeks circa Aristotle saw living as a tragedy and the gods as deserving respect but not man's friend. Saw its impermanence. The difference from a Chrstian is that they merely recognized it all as just how things work, not a sign that the world is "broken" and needing to be healed. >Denial of life and slave morality are often at least partially the product of weakness and resentment. Jews are all about resenting their neighbors. Clinging to this world and its narcotics (like cooming) at all costs even when it makes you extra enemies, refusing to examine how your behavior impacts how you are treated, sums up Jewish history.

>>6673 I like the revolutionary, innovative sense of fascism more than the traditionalist autism these days. Cry modernist, I don't care.

>>6780 >They had nowhere near the level of power within European societies prior to modernity Don't doubt the Eternal Jew.

>>6778 You make a good point. But you can also wear lightweight longsleeve clothing, hats, stay in the shade as much as possible, and minimize outdoor exposure.

Ethnoglobe is well-meaning but impossible to achieve.

>>6782 Explain, what do you mean by innovative sense of fascism?

>>6793 The principle of action. You cannot just be a conservative and reactionary and refuse to move on with time.

>>6771 Yes, the entire planet. But just because Whites should control the entire planet does not mean that we will inhabit every inch of it. Under far-sighted White governance, the population would of course be much lower, and most of the Earth would likely be left to Nature. >>6773 >Anyone who claims to be a White nationalist who thinks White supremacy is bad, but "a nation for everyone" is good is either a cuck, a faggot, and/or a liberal I've came to this conclusion as well. If you push them for a why you only get feel-good but ultimately empty rhetoric. Anything that isn't founded on the Laws of Nature is worthless. I can also assume that literally everybody that is truly nationally-minded would throw under nations under the bus to preserve and bolster their own. >>6791 Total ethnoglobe, maybe, but large-scale depopulation could be achieved.

>>6780 >Sounds to me like you're just some fedora tipper. I follow the ideas of Hitler, Savitri Devi and others. Hardly >The Ancient Greeks circa Aristotle saw living as a tragedy and the gods as deserving respect but not man's friend. Saw its impermanence. Yet by all standards they were far more life-affirmative than the Christian. They prided themselves in beauty, strength, nobility and virtue. Weakness, meekness and lowliness were not virtuous. And you're obviously right about the gods, the gods of ancient Europe were much different and there was mutually cooperation and obligations between gods and men. They didn't worship them because they feared eternal hellfire, but they appealed to them for their favors and blessings, as well as to appease them. Them seeing life as a tragedy or bewailing the impermanence of things is their interpretation. Like Nietzsche said, judgements on life, for or against, only have value as symptoms. For one who sees a problem in the value of life is in reality a mark against them. Impermanence is just a fact of nature, and hardly one to lament, especially given its inevitability. "what disturbs men’s minds is not events but their judgements on events"

>>6797 i feel that as well, i think one one the fundamental characteristics of fascism is the capability to adapt to this ever changing world by changing the government of talk by the government of action, one example is Mosley and how he always mentions that the current parliamentary system was designed to an older era when every day was just like the other and that the modern world changes rapidly from day to day, also the modern fascist movement should try to adapt the old movement of the 1920's to the 21th century and all of the differences that it has with era of when mussolini was alive, one the reasons is that Mosley makes multiple prediction to what would be happening to the western world had action not been taken, some of the were right and some of them were wrong, so we should analyze why some of them were wrong, and what is our solution to the problem

>>6797 Rockwell was right about conservatives when he attacked them as being exclusively defensive cowards. Leftists chip away at what they are aiming to conserve, but the conservatives never go on the offense. This is where fascism differs. Fascism is when the former conservative goes on the offensive and imposes an alternative to the decadence around him. A lot of people seem to forget at times that Fascism, and National Socialism in particular (which was actually quite scientific) were quite modern. Not the pozzed modernity though, the alternative modernity of fascism.

>>6697 >>"Heterosexuality" is too a degenerate notion since it too treats who you stick your dick in as overriding all other concerns of identity. Faggot

>>6820 I thought it was a faggot post at first as well, but now I'm not so sure. An alternative interpretation is that the fact that such a term exists in the first place, and that there are certain people who unironically identify and use this term, is in itself degenerate. The divide is between normalcy and deviancy. To put heterosexuality along with other types of prefixed abnormal "sexualities" implies that they are just different natural dispositions of humans, and that one is not better than the other.

>>6692 >>There is nothing wrong with a philosophy being "life denying." Only if you deny an invader his life. >>White "We Wuzzery" is shameful and roots in the same thing that Nig and Jew We Wuzzery roots (living in fantasy, wallowing in resentment). Aside from the fact that White Wuzzers are right. You can actually bother looking into it and stop hating yourself now. >>Having other races/ethnics under the same rule is fine as long as they each have their defined places, duties, etc. American racial history is far more fractious compared with say, Vedic India since the FFs ultimately didn't have an actual plan for the American Negro in their new society beyond slavery. Absolutely false. Territorial segregation or nothing. Vedic got owned in the end and Aryans failed to pass the race survival test. >>There is no argument against not taking the Vedas and other Hindu writings as a key source for defining a post-Christian theology. Hindus = Pajeets. Moving on. >>6753 >The native Americans didn't stand together and instead kept fighting among themselves and because of this, they lost most of their ancestral lands. It's part of the game. They have not always occupied those lands either. >>6765 Signing in! >>6771 >The entire planet? How can Whites survive in extremely hot and dry regions such as those along the equator? For the same reason that we know how to turn salt water into tap water and sandniggers don't so they buy our tech to live in deserts with the money they got from selling a resource they knew nothing about and couldn't exploit without our technology either, and were lucky that we simply didn't take it for ourselves and kick them into the sea. That and sky domes. If we waited for space to become an environment where we could live in, we'd have never sent people 400 km above our heads in giant iron condoms filled with and lifted by flammable explosive substances. >>6778 >Finally, why the would you even want to live in a desert? Because it's fun trying. >>6780 >Sounds to me like you're just some fedora tipper. Yes his point is valid. Fleeing this world's reality for the unseen realm is cowardly and feminine. >They had nowhere near the level of power within European societies prior to modernity. The Jews achieving their current position depended on the White Man himself becoming degenerate. Imagine being this ignorant about Jews. >The Ancient Greeks circa Aristotle saw living as a tragedy and the gods as deserving respect but not man's friend. Saw its impermanence. Classic Greece was already morally weak. >>6788 He will then ignore how Arabs themselves don't run around naked in the desert but actually dress in light-reflecting garbs.

>>6800 >Yes, the entire planet. But just because Whites should control the entire planet does not mean that we will inhabit every inch of it. Under far-sighted White governance, the population would of course be much lower, and most of the Earth would likely be left to Nature. Yes but without sacrificing high technology, controlled and limited to a few select spots. >>6800 >large-scale depopulation could be achieved. What if we created a super elite who would have a secret plan to exterminate the rest of mankind in the future, even Whites Mk-I?

>>6821 >I thought it was a faggot post at first as well, but now I'm not so sure. An alternative interpretation is that the fact that such a term exists in the first place, and that there are certain people who unironically identify and use this term, is in itself degenerate. In the age of globohomo, being a heter is already a mark of resistance. The logic, there, is dangerous as we could say the same about identifying as a White person, when for thousands of years most of ancestors didn't really care about it and didn't see beyond their family line, tribe or clan, or business interests. We're moving on and adapting. Heterosexuality isn't an identity inasmuch it's a reminder of what you stand for against invasive and noisy degenerates.

New Dune movie will look very good but will be pozzed. Mud people couldn't invent nor even maintain the complex stillsuits and wind traps. Paul will shag a mulatto. Harkonnen will clearly sport all the signs of White Supremacy mixed to unrivaled capitalism. Caladan will be multikulti like Xandar. "Love & Tolerance shall prevail" will be the message. Take your bets.

>>6825 >Classic Greece was already morally weak. Based Nietzschean

>>6778 Or just maybe, maybe you can stop being retarded and realize that I'm not talking about the hottest desert you imbecile I'm talking about ruling over the desert settlements that are filled with hundreds of thousands of inhabitants. Also you're retarded because all you need to do is again is still wear heat resistant garbs and oils or lotions to prevent dying from the heat waves.

>>6800 >just because Whites should control the entire planet does not mean that we will inhabit every inch of it I see. >the population would of course be much lower, and most of the Earth would likely be left to Nature. Both of those ideas appeal to me. >>6836 >stop being retarded >you imbecile >you're retarded The more undeserved insults you write, the less I take your opinions seriously.

>>6840 Okay homo/Jew.

>>6838 Ethnoglobe might appeal to you then. It sounds sort of absurd and meme-tier but I don't think that the reasons provided for why one might come to this conclusion are that far out.

>pragmatism is more important than esotericism/blind ideological devotion >monarchism is dead and the royal bloodlines are corrupted, we have to move on from them >invading poland was a bad idea >imperialism is more likely to lead to military quagmires than glory >autarky isn't all that good of an idea

>>6921 >invading poland was a bad idea Poland was always going to get BTFO, let’s face it. Anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows that he saw getting land in the East as essential. Hitler really had no choice in the end though. He had tried to work out various solutions amenable to both parties – at least for the near future –, such as giving back Danzig to Germany and making part of the Cooridor an international zone, but the Polish government was egged on by the Allies to refuse and not give into anything Hitler offered them. There were also millions of Germans in the amalgam state of Poland who rightfully belonged in the Reich. >autarky isn't all that good of an idea It’s essential in some areas. A nation not self-sufficient in agriculture, vital natural resources and the like is going to get dominated by another nation which does. Today we’re tied into an international web which is gradually eroding our national sovereignties more and more, and integrating our nations, paving the way towards the JWO. We have to break free. I saw how bad the situation really was back a while ago when Trump threatened to close the southern border briefly over one of the caravans that was coming. One of the reasons he backed off was because the US has become overly dependent on foreign agriculture and workers. Apparently certain things would totally vanish from stores in less than a week if Mexico wasn’t constantly trucking it across the border. It’s a disgrace.

>>6825 >>Aside from the fact that White Wuzzers are right. You can actually bother looking into it and stop hating yourself now. There is no need for such. Any culture farther away from Europeans genetically than Anatolians isn't White. >Absolutely false. Territorial segregation or nothing. Vedic got owned in the end and Aryans failed to pass the race survival test. Territorial segregation you speak of requires one side to rule over the other and enforce it. >Hindus = Pajeets. They have the only tradition of Indo-European with written word. >Yes his point is valid. Fleeing this world's reality for the unseen realm is cowardly and feminine. Accepting it isn't fleeing. >Imagine being this ignorant about Jews Jews having a their position in societies within Europa today do not predate Columbus' journey. The Roman Empire certainly did not regardless of the elite using Christianity as a tool.

>>6924 The problem wasn't Poland, it was the countries protecting Poland on top of putting the Reich on a border with the USSR, it would have been better to bide time until Poland could be reasoned with, or it could be guaranteed Britain or France would remain uninvolved, or until the Reich had the means to knock out Britain and avoid protracted conflict >autarky is essential Problem is that most countries aren't capable of it,and having to expand to achieve autarky is likely to lead tot he 4th point I made; especially since partisans are more dangerous now than they've ever been before

>>6928 We wuzzery becomes unavoidable once we look back into the ancient past. If we wish to understand the past, especially the history of our own people, it's important that we understand the global situation of Whites and how it has changed since a few millennia ago. Anatolia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, northern India, the coasts of northern Africa, parts of western China — all were either White to varying degrees, or ruled by White elites. The further East one went, the more we see White elites ruling over non-White populations. There's even curious evidence that Genghis Khan may have been a White man with red hair and green eyes according to Rashid al-Din. The Borjigin family name likewise refers to blue eyes. Even Muhammad was a White man. Even his 34th grandson 1400 years later looks White still. Today Muslims dye their beards red in honor of Muhammad https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Prophet-Muhammad-was-described-as-White-with-red-hair We wuz kangz.

>>6952 >Genghis Khan was White like /pol/ but better

>>6928 >Problem is that most countries aren't capable of it,and having to expand to achieve autarky is likely to lead tot he 4th point I made; especially since partisans are more dangerous now than they've ever been before You're right that not all nations are are able to achieve autarky. It sounds a bit edgy to say, but this just means that they are destined to be ruled rather than rulers themselves. Not only are demographics destiny, but so is the amount of Lebensraum that a given people controls. Others shouldn't be conquered with abandon though. This is never smart. We should only sacrifice soldiers for the highest and most essential interests of the nation. The current system of nation-states is unnatural. It is best to view any healthy and homogeneous ethnic group as more or less an earth-bound living superorganism. Just like other organisms, they must grow and expand as the population rises, spreading out, and inevitably coming into conflict with others over essential resources and space (this is the "struggle for existence"). Today with the system we have, borders are viewed as sacrosanct and fixed instead of changeable products of convention. We are left to think that we should cram as many people as possible within the borders we have and just cope with it. This is obviously not the solution. Of course though not everyone needs to expand. America would do just fine, I think. I favor the union of the US and Canada, but I don't see it as any sort of vital imperative for our people though. And imperialism can be very risky. What matters is whether one has the might to do it successfully and the guts to hold on to what you take. Just as partisans have gotten some new skills over the years, control and law-enforcement methods have grown ever more sophisticated.

>>6961 It's really a shame that they didn't. If only they had adopted runes earlier, then maybe we would have much more like what the Greeks and Romans have, or even like the Vedas. Even if they did have the runes at that point, they must have thought their "scriptures" (for lack of a better word) to be too sacred to put into writing.

>>6965 >It's really a shame that they didn't. If only they had adopted runes earlier, then maybe we would have much more like what the Greeks and Romans have, or even like the Vedas. >Even like the Vedas This is what I had more in mind and wish what would happen as well, I would really liked to have seen a Germanic or generally European version of the Vedas. I just wonder what stopped them from recording their sagas and creating their own Sanskrit.

>>6967 I've heard some say that every group originally had something like the Vedas. Not identical, obviously, but having orally transmitted traditions passed down from generation to generation within a certain caste or priesthood of individuals. Brahmanas in Vedic society, perhaps the Flamines of the Romans, the Druids of the Celtics, etc. My guess, like I said, is that since they attached such great importance to these traditions and saw them as so sacred, they were averse to writing them down. As we know from reading works like the Laws of Manu, not just anyone could read the Vedas. You had to be of a certain caste, you had to be initiated, etc. Though the Germanic people seem to have adopted runes within a century or two of the Common Era, it seems like their cultural was a bit too materially impoverished for long compositions to be written out on scrolls or books

>>6976 Don't the Japs also have a religion similar to Europeans as well? I also heard from some nip lover on 8chan long ago that if Germans had kept their religion and culture non Christian then they would adopted something similar to the Shogunate.

>>6986 Yes, Shinto is a very interesting religion. Over in the Japan thread there are some good documentaries and books on the religion that anons have linked. If there was an unbroken line of some form of European paganism today, it would most likely look much like Shinto. Instead of sin and evil like Abrahamists like to beat us over the head with, Shinto is based around ideas of purity and impurity, and natural harmony / the Natural Order. It is also impossible to separate Shinto from the Japanese people or their land. Also, until the JewSA ended the system of State Shinto, the state and people held the ideal of "saisei itchi" (祭政一致), the unity of government and worship. This was common to all traditional societies. For example I read a paper on the reasons for the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire, and the author basically said that in Rome the political society was also inseparably linked to the religious society. There was no secularism. Public observance of rituals was forefront, and apostasy from the gods of the state was equivalent to state apostacy. Christians refused to subordinate religion to the Roman state. I can only imagine that the Japanese had a similar view, especially given how their emperor was traditionally thought of as actual god. Shinto: Nature, Gods, and Man in Japan (1977) https://youtube.com/watch?v=5PsNjG5CTgU >>6727 (second PDF)

>>6961 Honestly anon, the Germans, Slavs and Celts really couldn't successfully establish a religion similar to the Vedic due to the harsh conditions of Ice Age and it could be possible that some traditions were either forgotten. I have no idea why they did not use runes or even paper or even their is any other reason why they didn't create their own version of the Sanskrit same way why the Greeks and Romans never establish a caste system and created an idea similar to the Brahmins (might be the fault of Republicans niggers). >>6986 I doubt it would be similar to Japan's government, but Shintoism does indeed have a lot of similarities with the Indo-European religions, such as Shintoism containing the trope of their storm god slaying a serpent (Susanoo agaisnt Orochi).

Here are several unpopular opinions regarding the ethnoglobe. >The ethnoglobe is unlikely to happen within our life times or our children's life times due to large amount of non Whites in our world. Well it is true nukes could be deployed to these areas, that could perhaps be the most anti White solution because it would irradiate the soil, poison the water, and harm the wild life thus making it very difficult for future generations to live there. >In terms of living space, Europe, North America and Africa is more than enough living space for a sizable, healthy population. >There is a moral aspect to the ethnoglobe as many non-White populations not all of them have proven in recent years they cannot take care of their own endangered animals. Africa Lions and Chinese River Dolphins are examples of this. While it is true that Whites have caused a fair amount of animals to go extinct and partaken in environmental harm, they have at least learned from their mistakes. >It is unlikely that Hitler would have agreed with the complete genocide of the Chinese and Africa Negros. He even assisted the Ethiopians against the Italians and remained silent when the the Japanese invaded china. >Recolonization might actually be possible with places like Jamaica as in 2014i think it was that year some Jamaicans said they wouldn't mind living under colonial rule of Britain. I believe it was 60% of the population said they wouldn't mind being colonized again.

>>6995 >same way why the Greeks and Romans never establish a caste system and created an idea similar to the Brahmins In the Republic we see something which is very similar in some ways to the idea of the caste system. Whether this was totally the product of Plato's thinking or not, it's hard to tell whether at some point in the very distant past whether caste-like groups existed. We know that they existed in other parts of Europe. The Druids are basically analogous to Brahmins, for example. Also the Roman Flamen priest has been speculatively linked to the Brahmin as well. It seems like Indo-European society was originally separated into three castes, but it appears not to have survived everywhere. See link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trifunctional_hypothesis

>The reasons why the pagans failed agaisnt the Christ cucks and why the Roman niggers collapsed and became less White is because the Europeans were not spiritual enough and same goes for the Vedic civilizations >Empires like Britian are admirable for their colonization and we should try to establish something like it, except it's more racial. >>6997 >There is a moral aspect to the ethnoglobe as many non-White populations not all of them have proven in recent years they cannot take care of their own endangered animals. Aren't there a wide range of animal abuses done in America and it's mostly done by nigs?

>>7006 >Aren't there a wide range of animal abuses done in America and it's mostly done by nigs? Yeah that's what i am speaking of although I was mostly talking about the high rates of poaching in South Africa.

>>7000 I didn't know this, but what would be the equivalent of Kshatriyaz, Vaishyas, and Shudras? >>7006 >The reasons why the pagans failed agaisnt the Christ cucks and why the Roman niggers collapsed and became less White is because the Europeans were not spiritual enough and same goes for the Vedic civilizations I somewhat thought of this as well, it seems that the Romans and Greeks even mistakenly didn't understand their spiritualities 100%.

>>7010 >I didn't know this, but what would be the equivalent of Kshatriyaz, Vaishyas, and Shudras? Indo-Aryan : Brahmin, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas Iranian : Athravan-, Rathaestar-, Vastriyo / Fsuyant- Roman : Flamines, Milites, Quirites Gallic : Druides, Equites, Plebes (according to Julius Caesar) The first group corresponds to priests, the second to warriors and the third to herder-cultivators. We can see this sort of tripartite division repeatedly in Indo-European mythology. For example, Herodotus records how the kingship of the Scythians was rewarded to one of three brothers who could pick up three heavenly (but burning) objects that fell to the earth - a cup, an axe and a plough with a yoke. The first is a symbol of the ritual / sovereign function, the second war, and the third a symbol of the cultivator. Then we have the so-called Roman "Archaic Triad" of Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus. Jupiter is obviously sovereign. Mars is the god of war, and Quirinus, which is probably related to the term Quirites above. The most important priests in Rome were apparently called the "Flamines maiores" or "major priests", who each tended to one of the three gods - there was a Flamen Dialis for Jupiter, a Flamen Martialis for Mars and a Flamen Quirinalis for Quirinus. We also have evidence from around 1380 B.C. of a treaty between King Matizawa of Mitanni and a Hittite King (Hittites were Indo-European). The Mitanni king invokes the names of the Vedic gods Mitra, Varuna, Indra and the Nasatyas (Aśvins). The first two names are often found conjoined in the Vedas as Mitra-Varuna, the two main aspects of Vedic sovereignty. Indra is obviously a warrior god in a sense from how he slaughters thousands of niggers in the Rigveda and the Nasatyas are twins, closely associated with horses and find their clearest roles in the maintenance of health ion both livestock and people. The three orders of society were represented in this treaty. Main source for all of this was J.P. Mallory's "In Search of the Indo-Europeans" https://iranicaonline.org/articles/class-system-i https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_Triad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitra%E2%80%93Varuna

>>6997 >>The ethnoglobe is unlikely to happen within our life times or our children's life times due to large amount of non Whites in our world. Well it is true nukes could be deployed to these areas, that could perhaps be the most anti White solution because it would irradiate the soil, poison the water, and harm the wild life thus making it very difficult for future generations to live there. I always envision ethnoglobe as something happening over a century from now if it happened. Just a gut feeling. That would obviously be one of the most notable events in world history and would have to involve most of the White nations of the world operating in tandem and liberating themselves. Right now we're nowhere near that, obviously. Now - how to actually achieve ethnoglobe? People like Pentti Linkola have obviously mentioned nuclear strikes. I can't remember exactly what he said as I type this, but as I understand it, Linkola - obviously a great lover of nature himself - saw them as being used against certain urban areas, not willy-nilly. Other effective methods that could find larger scale application could be just simply cutting off aid, biological warfare (whether through spreading diseases, destroying their crops with insects, etc). >>It is unlikely that Hitler would have agreed with the complete genocide of the Chinese and Africa Negros. It's also important to point out that issues such as overpopulation were unknown in Hitler's time. While Hitler was obviously aware that the Jews were using non-Whites in White lands to mutt the natives up (he points out France and the Rhineland in particular), he would likely never have anticipated the mass non-White immigration of today. Today the focus of the race problem has become global. It's obviously impossible to know what Hitler would think if he was alive today, but I think he would definitely consider these factors, even if (and this is not to blame him, of course) he would put his Volk's preservation as the first thing to solve.

Miscegenation is neither unconditionally bad or good. It depends on stock. DNA of both modern and ancient samples have shown that Europeans, Anatolians, and Iranics belong to one genetic supercluster that excludes all populations. With varying levels of relation within the supercluster. It, assuming all other issues, would be fine for a Greek man to marry an Iranic women if she didn't have too much Pajeet or Achmed or Wan mixture. It's frankly far more biologically disruptive to breed with a Persian than a Jap regardless of all the Yellow Fever in the Alt-Right.

>>7016 *far less >>7006 >>7010 If you accept the Current Year Theology ("wubba dub dub there's no God consoom coom muh evolution muh science) then you have no solid grounds to concern yourself with race and heritage. Actually, just accepting the notion of the "individual" leads into degeneracy. The individual from all evidence does not predate the Iron Age with its theologies like Zoroastrianism.

>>7017 >Actually, just accepting the notion of the "individual" leads into degeneracy. The individual from all evidence does not predate the Iron Age with its theologies like Zoroastrianism. I've recently swallowed this redpill recently. In all ways it is a degeneration, especially if viewed through a biological and survival-focused lens. I'm beginning to think that it is one of the main problems we face today.

Individualism and collectivism are both retarded.

>>7022 Collectivism is only retarded if you have some Jewish caricature of it in your head

>>7016 >Miscegenation is neither unconditionally bad or good. It depends on stock. Race mixing is degenerate regardless. Only reproduce with those who are racially similar to you. A good reason why not to race mix is the identity issues with the children. the only way I could see it remotely working is if you could create a hapa ethnostate but that sounds extremely questionable.

Some more: 1. There are no based countries. All the countries around are all serving Globohomo/ZOG or are glorified circus acts. 2. There are no based fringe ethnic cults/movements whatsoever. Amish are inbreds and only tolerated since they pose no threat and actually serve Globohomo by giving escapism. Mormons are proud tools of Globohomo with some of the nastiest women you'll ever meet. 3. Ancient Rome was a clownshow that shouldn't be emulated in any way. Seeing Globohomo's troopers frame it as a multicultural paradise shows it. >>7024 >>7031 Just tell us you are an edgier lolberg already.

>>7041 Just tell us to follow muh constitution already.

>>7016 Racemixing leads to many more problems than one would initially imagine — https://pastebin.com/tGMEhbhf https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/uoc--baa081108.php http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2008/10/asian-White-couples-face-distinct-pregnancy-risks-stanfordpackard-study-finds.html https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/biracial-asian-americans-and-mental-health?id=8732 Plus, there are mant studies which seem to show that mixed Asian-White offspring are much more predisposed to mental illness (over twice as likely) and face distinct pregnancy risks. 1/3 of Hapas are literally mentally ill.

>>7016 >Miscegenation is neither unconditionally bad or good. It depends on stock. DNA of both modern and ancient samples have shown that Europeans, Anatolians, and Iranics belong to one genetic supercluster that excludes all populations. With varying levels of relation within the supercluster. Mix racing is bad and degenerate end of the discussion. And you literally don't know what you're talking about. DNA shows that all of these groups are not the same at all.

>>7044 Third link not working and also I wonder what they mean by White or caucasian when it comes to Asians. I wonder if the mentally illed children are mostly products of partly Jewish children.

>>7044 As I said, it depends on stock. Far Easterners are far too seperate from Europeans. >>7045 >And you literally don't know what you're talking about. DNA shows that all of these groups are not the same at all. Learn to read. A supercluster is not being the same.

>>7032 >I could see it remotely working is if you could create a hapa ethnostate but that sounds extremely questionable. Imagine an entire nation of people like pics related.

>>7044 My family is White but about 80% of them married and had kids with a partner from another race. The other 20% that married a White partner either don't have kids, or their family life is unstable. It's my duty to have as many White children as possible.

>>7050 Wow that’s crazy, does your family live in area that has only a tiny minority of Whites or are they just predisposed to race mix for some reason?

>>7016 >Miscegenation is neither unconditionally bad or good. It depends on stock. Miscegenation is bad and no it does not depend on the stock because mixing races cause mental and other health issues. >>7044 There was also a study that I forgot that came out years ago that showed results of African American males and White females are more likely to become mentally disabled or illed in a way than White male and black female. >>7047 Jews are some of the worst people you want to mix with, so I'm pretty sure that there is some confirmation of this especially when you consider Elliot Rogers.

>>7051 We live in a majority White state so I guess they were just predisposed to marry foreigners. I would guess it's because they're Christian and/or liberal, which makes them hate their White DNA. Only one of their kids has phenotypes that would pass as White, but the rest of the kids look either mixed or the other race completely. Yeah, family get togethers are really depressing for me.

>>7056 >>7053 >>7051 >>7050

>>7049 I held some sympathy for Elliot because he was also a man fucked over by his parents and the system but I think his obsession with sex was stupid and the fact that he was half Jewish probably added to his issues. At least he killed himself. Even though I hate the word because it is as an insult used by our enemies, the "incel" crowd baffles me. I don't even understand why they think having sex would improve their lives but I guess that's what a century of Jewish brain washing will do.

>>7069 Having sex DOES improve your life. It makes you the alpha male. I'm a beta male right now and all I can think of is just "all women are whores" and that "I cannot make it in life because I'm a virgin cuck". I hope I can honestly lose my virginity and just have some self-confidence. I used to think that having a lot of sex with like all the chicks in your workplace or any othersocial placethe established that you're the king. But then I realised sex should be for the one and only - your future wife. I think sex is a lot better that way, seeing it as a bonding experience with the one you truly love instead of just brainless entertainment. sage for virgintalk

>>7069 Like the other anon said, in a sense having sex probably would improve to an extent someone’s life, especially if it is with a committed partner. I can definitely sympathize with incels to an extent as well. Today with feminism and all of its negative side effects, and with how in our culture we are all bombarded by sexual stimuli and scantily-clad women 24/7 and more and more, it’s no surprise that incels have become a thing. I get that they are understandibly frustrated, my only real criticism of them is that they are often very resentful and veer into the idea of hating women to such an extent that it seems almost like another byproduct of Jewish sexual D&C and setting men and women against each other. They would probably call many of us here tradcucks. >>7070 I agree with you on saving sex for someone like one’s future wife. Casual sex seems gross to me and always has. As I’ve gotten older I’ve wanted a wife and a lot of kids more than anything else anymore. I’m in my early twenties and still a virgim though too.

>>7022 Read Gentile, dummy

>>7070 >>7075 You both make valid points. I think what Elliot wanted was wild crazy chad sex parties as he always talked about having sex with college stacys as opposed to a loyal wife. Do you think there was any chance that he could have made something of himself had he applied himself else where?

>>7137 I’m not sure about Elliot. He seems to have been very troubled mentally. This isn’t a huge surprise, since as it has already been said in this thread >>7044, hapas are predisposed towards mental illnesses. His extreme narcissism seems to have been another flaw in him, but this can’t easily be put to good use if you’re shy by nature, like Elliot was. Looking through his book, he only mentions the terms “wife” and “marriage” in relation to others, and never in any sort of envious way. He seems to have just wanted sex as an end in itself. I kind of understand. When I was younger I thought more like him, but after getting redpilled and really thinking about it I changed a bit

>>7176 Why would you care about a half-Asian since you think ethnoglobe is a great idea?

>>7187 I never said I cared for him in any significant way. I can understand some of his attitudes to an extent, and can see that he was a ticking time bomb of mental illnesses – he’s an interesting figure just as are many mass shooters

>>7075 >As I’ve gotten older I’ve wanted a wife and a lot of kids more than anything else anymore. That's my dream, too. I'm just having a hell of a hard time finding girls, especially since Covid. Might have to start doing volunteer work to meet people. >I’m in my early twenties and still a virgim though too. Same. I used to make a huge deal about being a virgin but it doesn't bother me anymore.

>>7191 >I used to make a huge deal about being a virgin but it doesn't bother me anymore. I used to mope around on /r9k/ a few years ago but after becoming redpilled I’ve realized that doomerism is poisonous and digging yourself into a deeper hole. Having sex at some point is obviously somewhat of a rite of passage in all cultures, but today it’s just become some sort of hedonistic practice where you try to get the biggest “bodycount” possible, and the more you fuck, the “manlier” you are. That’s the type of idea I’ve come to dislike a lot, especially after learning about some of the wisdom behind condemning premarital sex and promiscuity. Meeting girls is one thing, but finding one that wants a lot of kids is another. My family’s small so ever since I started wanting kids I’ve wanted a big family, and after understanding the demographic and birthrate situation in our countries, this has only been amplified. I’d love to have six or seven kids.

>>7194 >biggest “bodycount” possible, and the more you fuck, the “manlier” you are Theoretically, in the older times this was considered manly. The men respected oh if you knew your way with women. But may I know why do some alpha men want to pursue this way? Maybe alphas can be right.

>>7191 >>7075 >>7194 No man should feel shame about being a virgin. I was one well into my early 20s. I regret having sex with the first two women I had sex with. Both were mistakes and one of them gave me the clap. I've had sex with six women now and I'm in the mid-30s. I regret having sex with all of them. Most of them didn't even look bad but they all were not wife material. All of them had various problems and weren't worth having children with. I'm so happy I somehow managed not to have children with any of them. You know who should feel shame? People that are having lots of needless sex outside of marriage. We aren't intended to live this way and be like this. By having sex with lots of people you aren't able to connect deeply with anyone. Getting laid is very easy especially with the internet. I can get online right now on my phone or computer, go on a site like fetlife, and have sex within the hour. But I don't want to have sex with people I can find on there. There is no challenge, there is no connection, there is no goal, all that will happen is I will cum and feel shame instantly. Then I'll spend a couple of hours in the shower trying to wash the shame off and a couple of weeks scared that I might have gotten an STD. If you're a virgin you should feel proud. It means you have self control and think highly enough about yourself that you won't settle for any random whore. Just because you're a virgin doesn't mean you're r9k-tier. It means you're waiting for that one special person to come along that you can have a deep connection and children with. With COVID it's hard but I'm slowly finding girls that I consider wife material. I've taken a few out this year and while I haven't found the one yet I feel like I'm getting close. The girls that I don't think will work out end up becoming good friends. They are fun to hang out with and by knowing them I meet more and more decent women. Keep your head up, work on yourself, and keep a look out for decent women. I promise they're still some of them out there.

>>7198 >By having sex with lots of people you aren't able to connect deeply with anyone. This is what really changed the way I think about premarital sex. Before that I thought it was just stuffy moralism from Christians, but as I began to learn about the ongoing decay of the nuclear family and the rising rates of divorce almost worldwide, it led me to look into the reasons and make some quite different conclusions. Good luck on finding a wife, anon. >>7197 Maybe in a sense. Polygamy is a thing since women are hypergamous by nature after all and will flock to the highest quality males, and while women can have their reproductive potentials filled by a single man, and man is easily able to impregnate multiple women. I am still hesitant to compare true alpha behavior with degenerate coomer-tier casual sex that some modern chads engage in.

Here's a couple alot of you may not like >Ethnoglobe is retarded >Monarchism is pretty dead and if it does have a revival it should be done under a fascist ideal >Christian monarchism is one of the worst forms of monarchism >Socialism is pretty retarded and should not be adopted the only socialism that matter is Prussian socialism >The Roman Empire fucking sucks >All Abrahamic kingdoms Empires are garbage and never were pro-European (Christian Empires, Islamic, etc) >The neolithic and industrial agriculture revolutions can be fixed and worked arounded >Not all technology is bad, some should be used under a fascist state such as the internet, but all tech should either heavily restricted or banned >Freedom is great when it's in solidarity with one's group

>>7213 >Coomer You're gay, but right to an extent, while men are capable of preganting multiple women the body count alpha make is nothing more but niggers being horny. Polygamy is only acceptable when it's eugeneic otherwise it's degenerate and useless. Islam is a perfect example of this with the genetic inbreds and shitty genes of Arabian males and women.

>>7236 This is my unpopular opinion too - there is literally nothing wrong with polygamy when it is practiced for eugenic reasons. Monogamy limits the reproductive potential of the numerically-inferior best elements of society. Any ethic of eugenic development should embrace it. I'm not sure if it's true, but apparently it was planned for being embraced in the Allgemeine SS, who had extremely strict entrance requirements to ensure their quality and suitability. If anyone should be having as many children as possible it is people such as these. >>7235 >Ethnoglobe is retarded Why do you think that?

>>7237 I'm agaisnt the "every nation for every race libshit" ideal, but ethnoglobe just seems to difficult to actually accomplish along with the fact that some settlements in the world are probably too extreme for Whites to settle in. IMO I think that every race should just have the master and slave mortality where they must take care of nature otherwise consequences will be unleashed. In other words some races should survive live, but just with Whites ruling over them. I also don't give a shit about nigger tribes as long as they don't abuse animals and fuck up forests and other woodlands.

>>7238 Whether some regions of the Earth are too extreme for Whites to settle in doesn't matter, we would just simply not live there. I briefly mentioned this in another post ITT >>6800, but under something like the ethnoglobe, large tracts of the Earth would ideally be allowed to just sit untouched by humans. The fact that humans try to fill up every square inch of this planet is one of the great misfortunes of today. As I see it, ethnoglobe is inseparable from deep ecology / ecofascism. It is merely an innovative and racially-oriented approach to solving our growing population problem. Though I do defend ethnoglobe a lot here, it would definitely be difficult to achieve I think. There are a few possible methods that could be used, but if one views ethnoglobe in a sense that Whites are the overwhelming majority of the planet's population rather than a planet wholly cleansed of non-Whites, it might seem a bit more plausible, because as far as I'm concerned, I don't care about non-Whites so much that I think that a future ecofascist / ethnoglobalist state should spend resources hunting down and killing each and every last non-White they can find.

Why stop at the globe?

>>7254 Galactic Lebensraum has been my dream since childhood. There is nothing so beautiful as seeing mankind stretch from arm to arm, world to world, across light years.

>>7254 When Kalki comes we can start to focus our sights on the stars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plgg9sSLRvQ

>>7254 This is pretty larpy, but at the same time it is the dream.

>>7235 >>Not all technology is bad, some should be used under a fascist state such as the internet, but all tech should either heavily restricted or banned How would things like internet and vidya even work under a tech-critical fascist state?

>>7235 >>Ethnoglobe is retarded Yeah it is. >>The Roman Empire fucking sucks Both the Republic and Empire were clownshows of amazing mismanagement. >>Christian monarchism is one of the worst forms of monarchism Indeed. Christianity if anything worked to subvert the old monarchs in the end. >>7237 You cannot maintain a society greater than a tribal organization or raider empire on open polygamy.

>>7268 >You cannot maintain a society greater than a tribal organization or raider empire on open polygamy. There must be some limits and a strict system in place, and it will never work so long as the women are driven to the man by materialistic factors such as wealth. This is the main problem. Wholly eugenic matches are what are needed, and for these to reproduce as much as possible.

>>7268 >Both the Republic and Empire were clownshows of amazing mismanagement. Why do you say that they did an excellent job of keeping themselves stable and created great Emperors such as Caesar and Hadrian.

>>7272 >Why do you say that they did an excellent job of keeping themselves stable and created great Emperors such as Caesar and Hadrian. Why do you trust Roman historians?

>>7277 >Why do you trust Roman historians? Why should we trust them on writing about figures like Caligula or Nero for that matter?

>>7281 Why should we trust them on anything regarding the current state of the empire and Emperors.

>>7269 It doesn't work outside of the selected examples. Men NEED to be assured that they not only can own women but that they can trust their fellow men to not poach each-other's women. We already have an example of a modern day White polygamy land in the Mormons, who contra based fantasies are degenerate grifter cucks. >>7272 They let in hordes of slaves post-Punic Wars who knocked proper farmers out of work. Fell into a civil war. Repeatedly expanded citizenship away from proper Romans. Resorted to Christianity as a tool. Rome was doomed post-Punic Wars.

>>7235 >all tech should either heavily restricted or banned Nah, the internet was great the opposite way. sage for normalfaggotry

>>7240 >that a future ecofascist / ethnoglobalist state should spend resources hunting down and killing each and every last non-White they can find LOL you say that in this board where non-Whites lurk here. Not saying you shouldn't say whatever you think with your mind, but the absurdity of this needs to be said.

>>7269 >women are driven to the man by materialistic factors such as wealth. Dude women mostly care about cock, money and ice cream.

>>7299 I see no absurdity. It is a very possible future and would be a rational course for Whites to pursue in the future if and when we come to power again due to a variety of issues such as obviously the race problem, overpopulation, dissemination of technology, etc. Non-Whites are free to post here, but that doesn’t change my position on Ethnoglobe

>>7300 Of course they do. Globohomo is the biggest pimp there is. A pretty women has her need for protection and resources provided for outside of one man or even her immediate clan. Can count on cops and lawyers to punish men who displease her or strike her. Her caregiving ability is focused onto pets instead of a child from her womb.

>>7300 The women who are like this are usually live in shitlib cities, coming to a conclusion that all women are like what you proclaim is just pure projection without any evidence that proves the contrary.

>>7302 >Non-Whites are free to post here

>>7308 All Women Are Like That (sluts) unless they're too fat/old/ugly/in debt to pull it off or the men they live around are actively enforcing it without worrying about divorce attack or prison.

>>7310 This is a dumb way of saying I have never met a woman.

>>7313 Sounds like I just did.

>>7314 Except he didn't state a fact he just used a gay projection that makes zero sense. Also you're a literally faggot using this cuckchan twatter meme.

>>7314 >Wojack No wonder why they were so many faggots posting screenshots of trannies from Twitter, because there are nigs who come from that shithole itself. Or maybe your act like a faggot and scream muh cope or seethe?

>>7315 Due to lynxchan reasons I thought you were replying to me, and lynxchan (again) won't let me delete posts without javascript so I had to leave it there.

>>7315 >projection I see people crying about terms like "cope" and "seethe" yet no one calls out people literally using Talmudic Freudian psychoanalytic terminology

>>7321 >Talmudic Freudian psychoanalytic terminology Did you have a stroke typing this out?

>>7328 He's right though.

>>7330 I don't see how it's Talmudic to call him a faggot for making a generalisation about all women because he can't stay off Twitter and realize that they represent a small portion of what the average person thinks.

>>7235 >Christian monarchism is one of the worst forms of monarchism Why do you say that? I agree to an extent that it has been shitty especially when you look at how corrupt and evil the French, English, Austrian, and Holy Romans were, but there were some good that came out of them.

>>7331 It's projection as a concept that is Talmudic. >>7333 If we look at how these monarchs behaved in regards to the Jews in particular, one will realize how bad they really were. The mainstream narrative is that poor Jews were oppressed, but in reality they were given monopolies over lending, pawning and other merchant-related jobs, their own sections of the city and ingratiated themselves to the rulers. There are cases of kings literally giving Jews fortresses to live in because the goyim hated them so much. Read Rosenberg's The Track of the Jew Through the Ages

>>7334 A lot of Christians love to claim they were and are anti-semitic, but this seems to be the opposite case for Christian royalty.

>>7335 That's definitely true, seeing as how they had no problem borrowing so much money from Jews and even appointed Jews to handle finances in their courts. Christian antisemites as a whole are basically useless, as they seem to have an extremely hard time understanding that a Jew is not merely a follower of a certain religion, but rather a distinct ethnic group.

>>7340 >they seem to have an extremely hard time understanding that a Jew is not merely a follower of a certain religion, but rather a distinct ethnic group. They don't want to admit that because it raises the obvious question as to why they worship a Jewish man as the messiah (another Hebrew word, this) and claim that he is the messiah using Jewish religious texts

>>7340 A lot of the royals were probably Jewish or sympathizers with Jews as well. I personally think that one of three reasons why Christians accepted so many jews and only sought to expell them were because 1. Their governments depended heavily on them for their finances. 2. Christcucks sympathized and unironically thought that the Jews would convert and didn't necessarily hated Jews just seen them as "blind to the truth", thus Christians defending and creating communities for them within cities, kingdoms, and empires hoping they would change their religion. 3. Christians actually believe thay they are the better and original and good Jews.

>>7312 Yeah, I don't give a fuck what Hitler wanted he was mistaken and being a devout follower of the laws of Nature he too would have advocated for ethnoglobe given what we know now. The Natural order demands we kill them all, not just the jews if we want to assure our survival and a future for White children. All other racial groups have shown that we cannot coexist peacefully so we must either subjugate them and exterminate them all, at least in our countries, and we will eventually wipe them off the earth as they have land and resources they cannot or will not use well and we can use them.

>>7341 All of Christianity is a psyop. The Pharisee Paul studied under the renowned rabbi Gamaliel for years, persecuted Christians and then conveniently had a "vision" and then started pushing the Jesus meme aggressively onto gentiles. He was a mastermind. >>7342 I agree with all three of these reasons. Of course along with this there is the nonsense like "You are all one in Jesus Christ" that helps to facilitate the acceptance of Jews. >>7349 Good post. Hitler is not infallible, although given what was known at the time, he saw with clearer eyes than anyone.

>>7349 >Yeah, I don't give a fuck what Hitler wanted he was mistaken and being a devout follower of the laws of Nature he too would have advocated for ethnoglobe given what we know now. The Natural order demands we kill them all, not just the jews if we want to assure our survival and a future for White children. So you're also willing to exterminate the Japanese, Tibetans or any race that admires and loves White people?

>>7352 Willing, yes. But only if it were done to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. Even Hitler would agree to this, seeing as how he says in the Zweites Buch: >I am a German nationalist. That means I am openly committed to my Volkstum [ethnic community]. All of my thoughts and actions belong to it. "All of my thoughts and action" - i.e. Hitler would do what he would do on purely ethnic / racial considerations. The guiding principle for every decision must be "Is it good for the Volk?" Elsewhere he says that the highest duty of politics, which he identifies with a people's struggle for survival, is the preservation and continuation of the life of a people. If necessity would dictate the destruction of any race that "loves White people", they would have to be destroyed. I would personally put emphasis on the "if" here though.

>>7353 Sounds to me like your autistic considering exterminating other races has nothing to do with the natural law. We should just leave it a conquering and ruling other races.

>>7354 Exterminating other races is not a necessary component of following the Laws of Nature. This is obvious. It can be one course of action though. Would a situation ever arise where it would be absolutely necessary for the existence of our people to exterminate the Japanese and Tibetans (etc.)? Doubtful, unless we're talking about depopulation measures, but if such a situation ever came ahead where such actions were necessary, a true nationalist would not flinch in the slightest. I'm certainly not opposed to conquering and ruling other races. I do think though that if current population trends continue that depopulation will become necessary. Even if this does not entail ethnoglobe as it is discussed here, it is an undeniable fact that the places where population is currently and will continue to explode are in Africa and similar Third World countries, i.e. countries that are not White. These are what would most likely be targeted if such a decision was ever reached. I am actually quite fond of the Japanese in general too, especially compared to more odious groups around them.

>>7355 Depopulation I can understand, but I don't see it necessary to exterminate all races especially ones who are friendly to nature. I'm for Whites being the dominant animal and having the largest population on Earth, but I just see it unnecessary to exterminate the Japanese, Tibetans, and other pro nature ethnicities. At best I think it's acceptable if their pops are at most a million and only up to a million and can still practice their culture as long as they follow the natural order and don't try to revolt agaisnt and kill Whites. Although I am for exterminating mixed races and non White caucasians.

>>7358 We have nothing to disagree on then. I understand this position as a subset of ethnoglobe, even if there are non-White groups which still exist.

>>7352 Yes, should it ever be necessary, just because they "idolize" White people now, does not mean they always will, the very fact that you view such things as permanent is naive, the japanese have attacked America and other Whites before, they may do so again, if they did I would gladly pursue their extermination for the sake of White children.

>>7360 >the japanese have attacked America and other Whites before, they may do so again, if they did I would gladly pursue their extermination for the sake of White children. Why are you defending and crying about America and the allies kikes? The Japanese attacked the allies, because America cut oil supply to Japan which was something they heavily relied on and the British along with her former colonies brought this war on themselves with them trying to act like the moral arbitrator of the world. Your idea of complete extermination of all other races is unrealistic, unnecessary and foolish.

>>7363 > Your idea of complete extermination of all other races is unrealistic, unnecessary and foolish. He seems to have the same position as me here though >>7355 (correct me if I'm wrong, to the anon who I am interpreting), since he says "should it ever be necessary" and "if they did I would gladly pursue their extermination for the sake of White children." It's conditional on it being necessary.

>>7364 Except extermination is not necessary for White children. Once the Japs or any other nation is defeated and completely submissive they will be forced to acknowledge their mistakes and to understand the importance of the White race. Also fuck the Anglos and America they were the same ones who helped and invited the kikes into their nations, destroyed National Socialist Germany, and reposition the jews back into German lands even after what they had done. Why should I care for their children when they clearly didn't care for the White children in Germany?

>>6829 Let's not forget the White savior incoming screeching!

>>6976 The (v)Eddas was a late attempt at saving whatever could be saved as Christianity was destroying all. The cucked and Christianized Rome hunted down druids. Some went undercover and tried to influence Rome from within but it certainly failed to a great extent and perhaps even allowed Christianity to confuse Whites even more. >>6976 >Though the Germanic people seem to have adopted runes within a century or two of the Common Era, it seems like their cultural was a bit too materially impoverished for long compositions to be written out on scrolls or books Runes have changed but go back to very old alphabets. >>6986 Some of their Gods are clearly White. Japs are even racially stretched between old time "hapas" (old White-asian mix) and turbo-gook late imports.

>Thanos was right. >Discuss.

>>7023 Anything diverging from the Jewish caricature is merely called tribe or humane society. >>7060 Yeah err... Kalergi was a hapa.

>>7254 FUCKING AYE!

>>7272 >Caesar His own life plan was a huge ego trip to wreck Western Europe through illegal wars (yep, the Senate's words back then iirc!). Then he got Lincoln'd. >>7297 Modern ones, yes, they knelt before the ZOG and accepted miscegenation. Seeing them today is quite the embarrassment. >>7300 >Dude women mostly care about cock, money and ice cream. We can now peacefully close this board.

>>7335 >A lot of Christians love to claim they were and are anti-semitic >Muh Jew wont convert And when he does, so what? Still a Jew! Do conversos ring any bell? >>7349 >such edge Could I have a perimeter too? >>7350 >All of Christianity is a psyop. The Pharisee Paul studied under the renowned rabbi Gamaliel for years, persecuted Christians and then conveniently had a "vision" and then started pushing the Jesus meme aggressively onto gentiles. He was a mastermind. Wouldn't have gotten anywhere if he couldn't count on powerful nested Jews operating within the heart of the Roman empire though.

>>7411 I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Caesar as a massive faggot. I wouldn't be surprise if that nigger turned out to be a fraud. Rumors also has it that he may have created (((Christ))). >>7414 >And when he does, so what? Still a Jew! Do conversos ring any bell? Anon Christians aren't smart, there is a reason why the west is so fucked today and it's because these retards heavily relied on Jews to fund their shitty governments.

>>7363 >Why are you defending and crying about America and the allies kikes? I am not, I am pointing out how the Japanese attacked America and it's greater than 90% White population at the time. The circumstances or actions of either party are immaterial, save for the fact of an attack, and they can, and probably will do so again at some point. >Your idea of complete extermination of all other races is unrealistic, unnecessary and foolish. It is not unrealistic, it can happen and should we succeed will happen, inevitably. It may take a few hundred years at most but it can be shortened significantly with just the technology we have today, even excluding nukes. It is not unnecessary either, They have things we need why keep them alive to trade for it and drain resources better used on our own when we can just take it and leave them as dust? How is it foolish? they are not capable of unifying to oppose us, they aren't even capable of it in America. All that it could possibly do to begin extermination immediately(which is not what I have ever said) is to quicken their demise and extinction. >>7364 You got it, for the most part. >>7366 >Except extermination is not necessary for White children. How so? to leave an enemy alive is to invite him to stab you in the back at a later date, I will not show or advocate for mercy for those outside of my in-group. I will do my best to ensure my descendants never have to deal with attacks from racial outsiders of any stripe again even if I am considered a monster for having done so. >Once the Japs or any other nation is defeated and completely submissive they will be forced to acknowledge their mistakes and to understand the importance of the White race. Why force them to acknowledge anything? why waste the effort to educate and teach our lessers when we have those among us who can do what they did but better? It is nothing but wasteful to prop up an outside group when you can choose to benefit your own with the resources won from their demise. >Also fuck the Anglos and America they were the same ones who helped and invited the kikes into their nations, destroyed National Socialist Germany, and reposition the jews back into German lands even after what they had done. My Great-grandfather fought in that war, starting from the beach at Omaha and going how far I do not know. I suspect he knew, at least at the end of his life, what he had done. He never spoke a word about the war except to say how close Saving Private Ryan got to reality, no more. Yeah my ancestors and countrymen fought against Germany, and that fills me with rage, but I did not do those things nor am I to blame for them being done. I will not stand for this D&C bullshit any longer, cease your whining and accept that what has been done, is done. it cannot be changed, all we can do is move forward. >Why should I care for their children when they clearly didn't care for the White children in Germany? You don't have to, but the very existence of every German(I assume) that thinks like you, increases the likelihood of another brother war, so keep it the fuck up, if that's what you want.

>>7417 What is the evidence that Caesar may have invented Jesus? The way I see it, Jesus doesn’t really stick out that much in Judaea during the time he lived. Christfags love to claim that literally no one else was shitting on the Pharisees, but we had the ascetic Essenes at Qumran, other eschatological sects, people like John the Baptist calling them “vipers”, etc. Judaism as it existed at the time was pretty diverse, and Jesus was just another Jew preaching slave morality and that the end times are coming. Along with Jesus we also had people like Theudas who claimed to be a prophet, gathering people to perform miracles before he was beheaded. It was Paul who took this form of Judaism and spread it among the goyim, at least to a massive and influential degree. I recently learned that there were large numbers of good goyim who loved kikes called yirei hashem / god-fearers who adopted various Jewish customs and in general aligned themselves with the Jews. Many of these became early Christians

>>7433 >Anglos helped kikes get into power >Anglos fund numerous amount of degeneracy that harms their own race >Anglos allow German Whites to be raped along with the (((Soviet Union))) to thrive <You don't have to, but the very existence of every German(I assume) that thinks like you, increases the likelihood of another brother war, so keep it the fuck up, if that's what you want. >Muh brother wars Shut the fuck up you imbecile, the British and Americans brought this on themselves I have no sympathy for them. The british today still doesn't give a fuck about their own race and still views Germany as Le evil as they pretend to proudly act as if they saved the world. The Anglos aren't my brother and they shouldn't be seen as any White man's brother.

>>7452 We have to remember that the British and Americans are both puppets of powers which operate in interests totally opposed to their own. They are our brothers, but like most Whites, they are thoroughly brainwashed and acting in total antithesis to their true interests.

>>7435 You're meme is gay, not because it's shits on christcuck, but because it's cuckchan garabge. >>7461 >We have to remember that the British and Americans are both puppets of powers which operate in interests totally opposed to their own. The Americans and British had the options to oppose war with the Germans and they did it anyway without taking first thoughts. Even a brainwaashed White is an enemy if he desires to help the jews like a zealot.

>>7482 >Even a brainwaashed White is an enemy if he desires to help the jews like a zealot. That's called a traitor over here.

>>7435 Jesus per se is an invented name. Now, the Yeshua/os of early Christianity is another whole bag of screws. It seems there might be a case for some Jew of this name, one among many and not even necessarily born as usual touted but perhaps later, his being conflated with some earlier and more mystical Kristos figure. Sects came and went, the Roman empire had many people of various origins exchanging views, separating cults, fusing them, and many simple minded people lost in the soup. A door for liberal and communist ideas was already being opened, Asians ideas were imported too. It's therefore possible that after a while, somewhere in the Middle East, some random kike decided to hop on the Buddhist bandwagon, went studying somewhere, then returned to sell his doogooder cope-dialectics, turned into some kind of guru or zen-rabbi whatever, etc., but got rejected at large. You would need to look into Pilates and see what exactly happened during his duty. As odd as it may sound, I don't even recall seeing one big graph picture being posted here that would encapsulate all the theories.

>>7503 I've always thought that the name "Jesus" was just a Romanization or Hellenization of Yeshua with the proper noun-ending stuck on the end. I do think it is pretty convenient though that the name Yeshua means something like "Yahweh is salvation" considering that Jesus is believed to be a savior figure by Christians. >some random kike decided to hop on the Buddhist bandwagon, went studying somewhere, then returned to sell his doogooder cope-dialectics, turned into some kind of guru or zen-rabbi whatever, etc., but got rejected at large. This is what I think more or less. It was fairly marginal, but then on the way to Damascus (((Saul))) had a flash of inspiration (his metaphorical "vision of Jesus") to commandeer the movement and sell himself as some sort of "apostle to the gentiles" I will have to look into more theories.

>>7060 These are so hard to fake, so surely all images with this format must be true.

>>7524 I'd even argue that whoever claims to be a National Socialist and is not spiritual or pro-Nature, has not understood National Socialism. There is a very good reason why Savitri Devi was so easily able to extract the true meaning of National Socialism in her 'The Lightning and the Sun'

>>7503 >doogooder cope-dialectics Sorry for the ignorance but what's a do-gooder? I mean why is there a negative connotation to it.

>>7523 Not only that the government is too strict.

>>7548 t, lolbert

>>7523 No one in the DR unironically praises NK outside Stealh Tankies and Coomers.

>>7452 >The Anglos aren't my brother and they shouldn't be seen as any White man's brother. >1 post by this ID

>>7549 okay then, have fun getting executed because you have differing opinions

>>7550 DR?

>>7556 Opinions of *what* is the question. I have no problem with people being killed for having different views.

>>7556 >comes to /fascist/ >surprised users wish for a strong state Are you in the wrong place or simply a fool?

>>7561 Wishing for a stronger state does not mean we have to cuck ourselves about it. The NS weren't as restrictive as NK, most fascists I've known have always supported certain amount of freedoms that NS Germany and Mussolini's Italy had contained. I don't know why you retards think fascism = everyone wants to be a cuck for the state.

>>7567 it depends on which period you're mentioning fascist italy and ns germany, since they upheld that the greater good comes first, then it wasn't strange for some liberties to be revoked when the time called for, an example in italy was during roughly the 1927-1932 period during the deflation of the lira and great depression when the country was facing great economic crisis and outflow of gold from it's banks, the government imposed a series of measures like how much money you could take on a trip, and limited imports to counterbalance the loss of gold, and in germany during the drought, farmers were forced on what to produce and prices, and other things like having to give the state a especific amount of products, mostly milk, i'm not defending nk, as i believe in certain personal freedom in times of prosperity and peace but i'm not opposed to have them being removed in times of strife

>>7567 Wishing for a stronger state absolutely means you have to "cuck" about it. If you're not the King then the state claims to be your master. You're concerned with the degree of slavery. You've already decided you want to be a cuckold, why are you fretting about whether one, two or three other men have sex with your woman? Does it really matter?

>>7570 >I'm ok with being a cuck The absolute state of /fascist/

The state has a larger vision that isolated people don't and can better organize the management of precious resources over larger areas. As for liberty... Power is freedom and power can seldom be shared across an entire population. This is the myth of communism, of capitalism through the supposed power of spending, and over democracy. On this, Evola delivers a crippling blow to the illusion of an equal amount of liberty for all: >Freedom does not tolerate compromises: either it is asserted or not. But if it is >asserted, it is necessary to assert it all the way, without fear - that is, it is >necessary to assert it as unconditioned freedom. This is not meant for the people but a message to potential great leaders. >Analogously, we will say that the Leader, that bearer of the value of freedom, will >not be the mere representative of the masses (the democratic thesis), the >impersonal symbol of a mythical self-organisation, of which these masses are >already capable, but just the opposite: the masses would receive order and form >only thanks to this superior force qualitatively distinct from the others they tend to >express with difficulty. And this force, far from living through them, would >subordinate the interests of the masses to those wider horizons which it alone can >determine; without recognising the right of anyone to give sanction to his law, >which is not law because it is just, but which is just because it is law, and his law >(in striking contrast to the democratic principles of popular sanction and of >dedication of the governors to abstract "principles" or to what is supposed to be >there common interest). Otherwise the top leader would not be a free being, but >rather the foremost of the servants, not a spirit, but the voice of the body. >Unfortunately, today, no one knows any longer what freedom is, no one dares to >think it to its foundations. Unfortunately, today, almost no one knows anymore >how to command, or how to obey. The risk of absolute responsibility and absolute >dedication, have both totally disappeared, in the face of the mediocrity of the >mechanised collectivity. >And people dare to sing the praises of an age of freedom and liberalism, boasting >of the abolition of slavery, without understanding that, instead, freedom can only >exist when there are masters opposed to slaves, when there are proud leaders >and masses that boldly and generously put their lives and their destinies in their >hands; without understanding that only a race of slaves could have willed the >abolition of slavery, a race of slaves which remained such even when the chains >had been smashed and the hierarchies broken down - insofar as their need for >servitude and dependence created new and much more terrible tyrants: on one >hand, the Semitic judge-God of providence and grace, and on the other, gold >and "public opinion" - tools of the Jewish conspiracy, the fetish of socialised, >impersonal law, and the moralistic intolerance of the Protestant nations; the >omnipotent man of the masses of Bolshevism. — Pagan Imperialism, J. Evola. The cold truth being that many people are literally willing to subordinate should they be given enough little freedoms so they feel free. The tragedy of Christianity is that it was full of this blatant slave mentality, but values were inverted so that the masters were not allowed to rise and the only master allowed in the room was a Lord rapturing one away from physical and philosophical struggle. The Catholic Church failed to be the Aryan Empire it could have been. It pandered to the multitude, the colored masses, the weak and the meek. But there is no shame in submission to what deserves to be respected and followed. Nearly all military men intuitively understand this. The same goes for religious people integrated to a clear structure (which is not the case of Protestantism, which was an intrusion of the democratic "ideal" into the already rotten Christian corpus). In a way, even most employees are fairly content of receiving orders assuming they feel these orders are fair and they sense they are in good hands. Castes and hierarchies are not an anomaly, but Jews destroy all of this, level everything and rise people against people, confused followers against legitimate leaders who, truth be said, are nearly now an entirely lost race of men (and perhaps women in some very rare cases). The constant upheaval stands where there is no trust in a higher authority. Said authority must cover all the ranks in spirituality, war and work. The king must be the true quintessential fusion of all castes all rolled into one homogeneous mind.

>>7573 What's with the /'s?

>>7570 This is a retarded analogy. A fascist state imposes that men become their own masters, with the state as a strong, guiding hand. You are an idiot, and >>7573 is doubly an idiot for going along with what you are saying without thinking for yourself.

>>7570 >How come children are expected to obey their parents instead of getting to vote them away Anarchist ontology is shit.

>Individualism and universalism seem at odds on first blush, but the two have historically not existed apart. As far back as the Zoroastrian reforms, universalist moralities have required that the clan interposing itself between the individual and the universal good be removed. >This helps us put things together that belong together, and separate things that don't. The universalist morality of liberals and conservatives belong together. The coalitional morality of fascism and a eusocial, Confucian social ontology belong together. This offends the lolberg.

>>7578 First day on an imageboard? >>7592 > A fascist state imposes that men become their own masters, with the state as a strong, guiding hand Yes, and the state is ultimately supreme, so the anon is not wrong. Positive liberty versus negative liberty. Fascism is against the liberal idea of negative liberty, this has been said since the days of Giovanni Gentile. The whole has more importance than the part, and if you injure the whole, it will dispose of you. Only an anarchist individualist would spend so much time crying about a pro-White fascist state impinging on "muh freedumbz"

In actuality, the roots of our turmoil in the Current Year don't reallly trace to Christianity. Rather, the roots trace to the Axial Age.

When people call compare chinks to eusocial insects they are actually complimenting them. Individualism is a form of decadence and weakness within a race.

>>7608 Insects don't have the capacity for empathy. They might be efficient but they aren't humans. Just because you can admire collective efficiency doesn't mean you can criticize their miserable attempt at the human experience.

>>7601 Where did Hitler and Mussolini ever imply the state was supreme over the people?

>>7612 >the people Go away anarchist.

>>7649 >Go away anarchist You niggers are so autistic and then you wonder why you can't win a single battle. Either answer my question or shut the fuck you being a dumb nigger.

>>7651 Reminddr lolbergs support Niggers being around Whitey and support BLM.

>>7651 There is no need to be so upset, agent Johnstein.

>>7612 >>7651 >supreme over the people More liberal thinking, I see. The fascist state is an organic and hierarchical state. People within the state have different roles and functions, much like the different organs or members of a human body contribute in different ways to the maintenance of the whole. For the body to be of any use though, there must be a brain to exercise government over the subordinate functions, and in any system worth its salt none are allowed to lead but the most selfless, intelligent, rational and perfect. The leader has the right and the power to control the people who are auxiliary organs to the leadership of the brain. Hitler himself talks in Mein Kampf of putting thinking individuals above the masses to guide and lead them. Giovanni Gentile, the so-called “philosopher of fascism” talks in his work in similar terms, saying that the state is not something external that limits and controls, the State and the individual are in a necessary synthesis. >>7609 Insects don’t need empathy, they have gradually evolved to be extreme in-group altruists.

https://twitter.com/ReadLinkola/status/1302220691920609286 Just read this if you're going to be a lolberg.

>>7652 Yeah no shit you fucking imbecile but there is no where I implied I was a lolbert, being a dumbass is not going to pwn the lolberts. >>7653 >Muh cia >Muh Jews As always predictable retarded and non argumentive. >>7658 Right but where did it say the state remains surpreme? Being an absolute cuck for state is not something we should advocate.

>>7665 >non-argumentative I wasn't arguing with you, I was telling you to chill the fuck out.

>>7665 States in practice - if they are not some Africa-tier failed state - are always supreme over their own territory and those living within it. Fascism is a political philosophy which does not repudiate the state, it embraces it and recognizes its naturalness and necessity. The supreme state means that its leaders are the highest authority, the brain of the nation, the exemplars for the people. You are operating off a liberal conception of liberty which sees the state as some sort of dead machinery on the backs of the people restraining them through laws from "muh freedumbz".

>>7670 >You are operating off a liberal conception of liberty which sees the state as some sort of dead machinery on the backs of the people restraining them through laws from "muh freedumbz". This isn't true either liberals see that states and laws are a absolute necessity and that their control of the government is supposedly Worthy and only designed to help people. If anything liberal control governments the same way a fascist would, except libs are more materialistic, democratic about it, corrupt, and are hypocritically very collective when they have control of any government. Fascists seek that they need to control the government for the better good of our or their people (heritage, race, religions, etc) and personal freedoms are kept, but not as free as America nor as restricted as NK things just freedoms that are natural and healthy and prevents any degeneration of the individual.

>>7690 >This isn't true either liberals see that states and laws are a absolute necessity and that their control of the government is supposedly Worthy and only designed to help people Of course, but they are operating off of the idea of "negative liberty" which means freedom from external restraints. Laws should be kept to a bare minimum, such as against murder, theft, fraud, etc. This is why people like Bentham say that "Every law is an evil, for every law is an infraction of liberty: And I repeat that government has but a choice of evils" > If anything liberal control governments the same way a fascist would, They are hypocrites, yes. The difference between the fascist government and the liberal government is that libs are don't give a shit for the well-being of communities or their citizens. This comes from their idea of liberty and from the fact that like you said, they are materialistic and corrupt. >are hypocritically very collective when they have control of any government. They are collective in the same way that a sand in a pile is nothing but a heap, while the ideal fascist state is a more integrated unity. A pile of scrap versus an well-oiled machine of different parts.

>>7578 >/ ? Dear diary, the internets is fashinating

>>7608 There is a proper equilibrium between collectivism and self-centerism. >>7693 >This is why people like Bentham say that "Every law is an evil, for every law is an infraction of liberty: And I repeat that government has but a choice of evils" Quite the absurd statement. This guy should have axed himself.

>>7670 Shit, I guess if you don't like states you're just a big fat dumb poorly shaven idiot. What have I been thinking? I'll go make a shrine to leadership right now.

>>7704 >This guy should have axed himself. He was also the guy behind the panopticon funnily enough. >>7705 /fascist/ is an unashamedly totalitarian statist board >>>/liberty/

>>7708 >/fascist/ is an unashamedly totalitarian Except weren't most of the fascists authoritarian? Hitler and Mussolini weren't really totalitarians.

>>7716 The totalitarian character of fascism has been openly affirmed since the beginning by its most prominent figured and intellectuals. It’s important though that we don’t allow kikes to poison our perception of words like this though. They dilute and muddy the waters, the clearest example of this is with the term “fascist” itself. When Mussolini says “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”, he is preaching totalitarianism. Some excerpts from Mussolini’s “The Doctrine of Fascism: >Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity (11). It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12). And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State (13). >The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist  State  - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people (14). >No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State (15). Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon. But when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system (16). http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm As a NatSoc myself, I can hardly see much disagreeable in the passages above. The idea of the Volksgemeinschaft is of course explicitly ethnic / racial, but it is certainly a community “in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State”, just as Mussolini writes.

>>7720 State worship is retarded, how the fuck can anyone trust a state when they are likely to fuck each other and end up cucking out? The afrikaners and their secret society a perfect example of this. You can shill totalitarianism all you want, but that's not a solution especially when you don't have competent governments that failed like Hitler's and Mussolini's.

>>7731 >governments that failed like Hitler's and Mussolini's Being gangraped by multiple countries simultaneously is not “failing” in the sense that you are thinking, nor is it a product of their ideologies

>>7732 Except they did fail you imbecile, don't even try to act like they were perfect, especially with Mussolini's government where his military staff and other politicians were being completely retarded on not knowing how to take over Southern Europe and preventing the allies from taking over Africa and coming within Italy and have the Communists excute him. The Same case is with Hitler as well with his military staff, and some disagreements within the government also fucking him over and putting in the wrong people in power who plotted his assassination. Stalin was faced the same position and would of lost of it wasn't for the Allies and Hitler attacking too early because of the Winter war in Finland. It's not about their idealolgies it's the fact that they set up a government that wasn't filled with enough people who were as capable as the Roman leaders during the Republic.

>>7748 > It's not about their idealolgies Lolbert-kun admits it.

>>7748 > it's the fact that they set up a government that wasn't filled with enough people who were as capable as the Roman leaders during the Republic. The Roman Repuic collapsed into a civil war and insisted on letting foreigners displace native farmers for cheap labor. The Roman Republic was always a clownshow.

>>7755 >Muh lolberts Great job not knowing how to read retard, but that wasn't my point try using that homo eretus brain again and understand my point. >>7770 The Roman republic still had good leadership that prevented them from entirely collapsing or and losing battles. The Punic Wars are what screwed them over really.

>>7772 >The Roman republic still had good leadership that prevented them from entirely collapsing or and losing battles. The Punic Wars are what screwed them over really. The Romans are either the biggest frauds and lairs in human history or were incredibly stupid to favor cheap labor over their race and heritage. The Romans did have excellent leaders, but they also had the worst kind of people to help them rule and govern Rome. Roman cucks destroyed their environments, because they believed that they somewhat had dominion over nature, this type of mentality is one of the major reasons that lead to it becoming so materialistic that it ended up sarcificing something most valuable for their economies. If anything Rome should be seen as an inspiration of what makes one a capable leader and that's it.

>>7748 What a fucking mental kike. To consider the deleterious action of numerous traitorous elements within the German government would be too much to ask for? Hitler was already short on resources and had to compensate for Italy's mistakes. They came close to winning in Europe nevertheless but as >>7732 said in a different way, quantity is a quality of its own. >muh eagle pizza repu As if it had not failed too.

>>7812 Resources wasn't the only reason for failure you fool are we gonna forget the incompetence? Hitler was sure as hell smart and competent enough to win, but his chain of command fucked over everything along with the traitors screwing him over you are once again missing the point and avoiding what I said like a mental retard, all you can do is cry Jew and sperg out and not argue you are an embarrass to fascists.

>>7815 >Romans, Hitler, Mussolini, all Aryans >incompetent Right, you win.

>>7602 Any reading on this?

>>7815 >competent governments that failed >are we gonna forget the incompetence? Come on, son.

>>7899 https://twitter.com/imperiumpress/status/1251137491978997760 https://twitter.com/imperiumpress/status/1280511626576363521 https://twitter.com/imperiumpress/status/1267333490632126464 http://gablog.cdh.ucla.edu/?s=axial

>>7602 Yes they do and some Anthropologists or whatever's look into it doesn't change that Christianity and through it the jews are the source of all our ills going back more than 1900 years.

>>7975 It makes me wonder though how Christianity was even able to get a foothold in the first place among the masses. We know it was largely imposed top-down after a certain point, but before that it was largely spread through the work of kikes such as Saul. I sometimes wonder how how high this kike's IQ was that he knew just the right time to self-style himself as "The Apostle to the Gentiles" and then to spend time writing to dozens of churches telling them to accept the goyim into their churches and to worship the kike on a stick

>>7834 Romans, Hitler, Mussolini are not Aryans you imbecile. Stop with muh Aryan shit it's so misunderstood by people and only ends up making them look like idiots. Aryans were hedonistic as well to certain extents, it does not mean some godly people it meant a group of indo europeans who were descendants of gods becoming the top leaders of civilizations or tribes. Overtime it became nothing more but a mere title just like in India.

Also here's a hot take >Economic systems like capitalism are not what's wrong with the problem today, capitalism is a whole different issue, but our real problem with the world are solely on jews taking over economcies and governments along with the fools who follow behind them being forced to having to become zionist or jewish themselves or slaves. Neoncons like Trump and the entire republican party along with the Democrats are nothing more, but tools of zionists and are forced to follow their every command.

>>7979 >Romans, Hitler, Mussolini are not Aryans you imbecile. Lol > Aryans were hedonistic as well to certain extents Ancient Aryan thought despised degenerate hedonism and exalted self-control, discipline and rational control of the lower self. Legitimate hedonists were laughing-stocks and seen as little better than slaves

>>7975 None of that addresses how societies like Athens showed enough of the dysfunction we see tidsy and just how Christianity could have been planted when it was.

>>7982 There definitely had to be decadence within a society for Christianity to actually take root as it did. Just look at how Rome succumbed while Japan killed them off

>>7981 >Wikipedia You're faggot, but why don't you explain to me why half of the population of India is filed with shit skins?

Or why the Greeks and the Romans became less "Aryan" over time sarcificing their native people for cheap labor, destroying their environments and mixing with non Aryans?

>>7985 You can shit on Wikipedia all you want, but it doesn't change the etymological origins of the term "Aryan". >why half of the population of India is filed with shit skins? Shitskinned Dravidians are the indigenous population of the Indian subcontinent. Aryans were never a majority and I doubt anyone here really claims otherwise. From what I have read, the Aryans who settled in the Punjab and Ganges region were a nomadic pastoral people who subjugated the numerically overwhelming non-Aryan populations. Further in the North, outside of the subcontinent, they must have been more dominate or isolated, as even we can find people who are borderline White in Northwestern Pakistan, parts of Afghanistan where people with red hair or with blue eyes can be found, or in Iran. >Or why the Greeks and the Romans became less "Aryan" over time sarcificing their native people for cheap labor, destroying their environments and mixing with non Aryans? Ignorance of racial science, ignorance of the fact that cutting down trees over generation after generation would have negative side-effects, etc. It's not that hard to figure out the reasons here. With the case of Greece and Italy, it mainly has to do with Islamic occupation and invasions over the centuries. Sicily was under Islamic rule for over a century, and Greece for centuries under the Ottomans. They got KARA BOĞA'd. At the time of Jesus, Greece was still White.

>>7993 (samefag) To add onto this, it's very possible that their over-focus on the spiritual made them completely neglect the material and thus fall into degeneracy

>>7993 >You can shit on Wikipedia all you want, but it doesn't change the etymological origins of the term "Aryan". And you can use wikipedia and alt history all you want, but it doesn't stop the fact that Aryan societies became corrupt and stop being truly Aryan. >Further in the North, outside of the subcontinent, they must have been more dominate or isolated, as even we can find people who are borderline White in Northwestern Pakistan, parts of Afghanistan where people with red hair or with blue eyes can be found, or in Iran. >Who are borderline White And yet a large number of them still have Dravadian DNA or middle eastern dna, many of the Northern part of Pakistan and Afghanistan are all either half or a third White. And by the time the Vedic civilizations were being created the Aryans still knocked up the Dravadian females. Aka miscegenation aka anti Aryan. >Ignorance of racial science, ignorance of the fact that cutting down trees over generation after generation would have negative side-effects, etc. So you agree that it's because they were too materialistic? Because the Aryans also ruled over Classical Greece. >They got KARA BOĞA'd. At the time of Jesus, Greece was still White. The turk fags didn't have sex with the Greek females that was completely forbidden under the edict and discouraged by the Ottoman government. The Eastern Roman niggers weren't White they were materialistic medcucks, you're not even trying anymore.

>KARA BOĞA'd. The fact that Turks love black men so much just goes to show how much testerone they don't have.

>>7720 >the Italian use of the word 'state' is more all-encompassing >state and people are indissoluble in Fascism; without a state to give a nation its form, the latter falls prey to all sorts of inconsistencies that constantly assault her like liquid without a container >meaning of a state, as in people Authoritarianism vs Libertarianism is a meme.

>>7980 I agree with this, a lot of fascist think that being anti-capitalists is cool and all, but it's nothing special to be honest. To blame everything solely on capitalism or to despite it so much kind also misses the point that the reason that capitalism is hedonistic and materialistic is because of Jews. The whole capitalism caused this and that is retarded, because kikes always ruin everything and most capitalists today are now either Jewish or Zionists. Small and medium White businesses who haven't fallen to kikery wouldn't do what kikes would do.

>>8009 The problem with capitalism is that it's too materialistic and needs to be reworked towards our values. I agree with you with the whole muh capitalism is quite overextgerated, but it shouldn't be forgotten that many capitalists have went against National Socialism, although many capitalists were also Jews or had connections with them.

And don't take the first sentence as me wanting capitalism, because I don't just an example of what needs to be done for it ever to be considered usable.

>>8009 It's not a hard conclusion to reach when one remembers that capitalist governments would rather side with, and give FREE (amazing, innit?) support to, communists to fight fascists. Clearly the two are not compatible, or they would never have fought, unlike capitalism and communism which are clearly very compatible with each other and best buddies at one point.

>>8009 The issue with capitalism it is inherently globalistic in logic. The aim for the usurious capitalist is profit, and they’ll do anything to produce more and get as much money as possible. To save money they’ll move production overseas or out of the country and fuck over domestic workers in favor of paying brown people pennies to produce the same product. Another capitalistic behavior is expanding markets to wider and wider areas, which lead to colonization, the bringing of technology to shitskins, and eventually (as said above) beginning to actually construct factories and production in non-White areas of the world. This alone eventually led to the undermining of the unparalled political, economic and military might of the White powers. The EU is a prime example of what I have been saying here. One of its main goals is the free movement of goods, capital and labor within Europe under a common currency. It’s easy to see how capitalists benefit from this. It’s also *very* telling to me that in the Communist Manifesto (((Marx))) has nothing for praise for the achievements of capitalism, saying: >Modern industry has established the world market, for which the discovery of America paved the way. This market has given an immense development to commerce, to navigation, to communication by land. This development has, in its turn, reacted on the extension of industry; and in proportion as industry, commerce, navigation, railways extended, in the same proportion the bourgeoisie developed, increased its capital, and pushed into the background every class handed down from the Middle Ages. >the bourgeoisie has at last, since the establishment of Modern Industry and of the world market, conquered for itself, in the modern representative State, exclusive political sway. The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie. >The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere. >The bourgeoisie keeps more and more doing away with the scattered state of the population, of the means of production, and of property. It has agglomerated population, centralised the means of production, and has concentrated property in a few hands. The necessary consequence of this was political centralisation. Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments, and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier, and one customs-tariff. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007 The materialistic and globalistic logic inherent within capitalism predisposes the capitalist to race-treason and rootless cosmopolitanism. In fact it is the preliminary system leading up to the so-called Messianic Age of the Jews (= World Communism), achieved through Tikkun Olam. Maybe some of them can be convinced to toe the national line, but the vast majority today need hung from streetlights

>>7977 The Roman empire was cosmopolitan and was assimilating alien elements in religion, customs and race. Jews made their way through it, settled in the empire's heart and kept pushing for more "rights" and more shitskins, bribing patricians politicians until they got what they wanted: a socio-religious system that was far more tolerant of their presence. They had Constantine to Theodosus II on their payrolls. None of Saul's bs would have stuck to the wall if there had not been rich and influential Jews to weave the mesh of corruption. It's exactly the same modus operandi as they use today. Hence why a true, applied practice of 14—88 will save Whites. Nothing else. >>7979 >Romans, Hitler, Mussolini are not Aryans you imbecile. Then your mother belongs to a zoo? Please, get real. >Aryans were hedonistic as well to certain extents Nope. All people like to have the good life but those who lived in harsher conditions and isolated from non-Aryans did very fine. In more temperature areas, only discipline and territorial segregation can bring about a proper emulation of these conditions, precisely to counter-act any propensity to hedonism. >it does not mean some godly people it meant a group of indo europeans who were descendants of gods becoming the top leaders of civilizations or tribes. Being "godly" precisely is being descendant of gods. > Overtime it became nothing more but a mere title just like in India. That's because of miscegenation that affected culture (mind), destroying the spiritual race which, without surprise, led to the destruction of the biological race.

>>7980 Capitalism is a symptom. It will cease to be as soon as degeneracy and kikes get BTFO. >>7981 >Freeman/men Franks literally means free (men). Jews twisted this notion of divine freedom into the freedom of slaves to ruin everything. They subvert all by inverting values.

>>7983 >CZC As much as this man was great, there is much irony in knowing he was a devout Catholic. It's a pity how Christians can see problems relating to Jews in all domains of life BUT spirituality, which is yet the highest cause of all. >>7985 >half Sure you didn't mean 99.999999999999999999% instead? >>7986 Perhaps read William L. Pierce's Who We Are. >>7993 >At the time of Jesus, Greece was still White. I'm afraid that by then, the higher element had already diluted in the mass of indigenous people who had been subdued by the Doric element many centuries before. It always is a question of numbers here (demographics). >>7994 Let's not underestimate the influence of Asian ideas. Buddhism quickly degenerated and spilled into the Middle East and beyond too. Around the time of the mythical Jesus, Hellenized Jews were already a thing. Compare ideas in the United States circa 1900 and what we got in 2000. Now remove the acceleration allowed by electronic media platforms and it's easy to see how in a more conservative environment (and this might need to be questioned too) beliefs and attitudes took three to five centuries to take hold in a large cultural area.

>>8009 The only race and only culture leftists are allowed to hate are White in nature. Beyond that, they solely attack economical and social constructs through communism vs capitalism. They literally are the definition of useful idiots. >capitalism is hedonistic and materialistic is because of Jews No, capitalism is not an Aryan concept. We always see work through the lens of a noble activity, but there is none of that needed in capitalism. There is no moral, no virtue. Hence the need to have a word that properly identifies our understanding of work and sane retribution without the allowances found in capitalism. The moment you "aryanize" capitalism, it stops being capitalism. This distinction is very necessary because Westerns, above all Americans, are very confused about this.

>>8036 I was under the impression that Codreanu was Orthodox, but regardless of what type of Christian he was, it really is ironic how they cannot understand (or perhaps refuse to understand) that their religion is Jewish in origin. I wonder what Codreanu would think of a Jew who "converted" to Christianity.

>>7913 >2nd tweet >Imperium Press: The root of all whig history, of all linear history, is transcendence. The transcendent principle ("progress, reason") lacks mythology and relies on human affairs to embody it--to transcend even itself. Human affairs must constantly oblige if it is not to become a deus otiosus. >Nacional-TaylorSwiftismo: Which books deal with this issue? >Imperium Press: Nothing I've read deals with this specifically, but when transcendent theology comes into the picture in the Axial Age transition, so does linear history, eschatology, etc. The same thing happens with progressivism; there's some sort of connection here. Sounds like one or two of the Baron's book could help here?

>>8042 Some Jews find it alluring because they see how a rabbi brought gentiles to their knees, crying for him. They also see, especially today in many modern forms of Christianity, that although God once made the Jews his chosen ones, salvation will come through the Jews. So going with Christianity is a way for them to be even more cosmopolitan.

>>8045 Going with Christianity makes them blend in far better too. One of the greatest weaknesses of Christians is that once some Jew converts, they think that the problem is solved. The goyim have swallowed the rhetoric of "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free" wholesale, just as Whites do with multiculturalist propaganda that race is skin deep only. >They also see, especially today in many modern forms of Christianity, that although God once made the Jews his chosen ones, salvation will come through the Jews I think this interpretation is pretty much unavoidable too. We of course have the parts of the Old Testament which talk of the entire world bowing down to Zion, and how the Jews will "suck the milk of nations", destroy all who oppose them and will serve as a "priestly nation", but even in the New Testament we learn (like you said) "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22), and according to Paul the Jews have not been rejected by God. In Romans 9:4-5 Paul says of the Israelites that >"to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, comes the Messiah... Adoption is referring to how the Jews are "God's Children" similar to Exodus 4:22 and Jeremiah 31:9. And then even more clearly in Romans 11:1-2 we get an even more direct confirmation of the Jews chosen status: >I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. He later says that "...the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable" in Romans 11:29. My NRSV study Bible says that "the calling of God" is another way to refer to God's election of Israel, ergo they're chosen and are going to remain chosen, and salvation from them. You can't unkike Christianity. I have literally redpilled someone on the Jews and had them tell me that it's possible what the Jews are doing is potentially "God's plan". It's literally a mind virus

The propagation of atheism should be illegal, and it has zero positive contribution to society.

>>8245 Wrong. It actually is useful in rejecting the dominant alien cult in the White Western World: Christianity. It cleans the room so one can start afresh. Now, being stuck on atheism is another problem.

>>8249 I wonder if it's more beneficial though to negate all spirituality first and then to build on top of the clean slate like you say, just bearing the consequences, or merely to put something better in its place immediately. Christcuckery is already rotten and has been for centuries. Something stronger will displace it when it arrives

>>8034 >Then your mother belongs to a zoo? Please, get real no info? no sources? No proof that they're Aryan? Wow shocking that a monkey brain would not provide an argument. >Nope. All people like to have the good life but those who lived in harsher conditions and isolated from non-Aryans did very fine. In more temperature areas, only discipline and territorial segregation can bring about a proper emulation of these conditions, precisely to counter-act any propensity to hedonism. This literally makes zero sense and you still haven't answered my question on why the Aryans knocked up Dravadians and Meds if they weren't hedonistic. >Being "godly" precisely is being descendant of gods. Except what part of the Aryans were godly? If they were godly they have made mistakes and done stupid things as well, what part of the Aryans were not gods do you not understand buddy? >That's because of miscegenation that affected culture (mind), destroying the spiritual race which, without surprise, led to the destruction of the biological race. It's also because the Aryans given the title put to anyone they liked or put those who were unequal as equal as they are.

>>8044 That person keeps shilling his twitter.

>>8252 I've met enough Christians who have a change of faith, going through a state of mind that scares them because it's a void of some kind, a no man's land. Then, there are different shades of atheism and the radical one remains quite pointless and stupid.

I don’t think Nietzsche is as based as he’s made out to be, and much of his thought seems to have been repurposed by leftists and postmodernists of various kinds. EVERYTHING is just psychological and perspective based, there are no facts, only interpretations – he even takes this to the extent in Beyond Good and Evil that scientists are clowns for even proposing laws of physics, these too are just “interpretations” – if you come to any sort of conclusion at all regarding human behavior that approaches a moral framework you’re just projecting your own problems into “truth”. He mocks the idea of rationality as a sort of disease as well. Immoralism is degenerate and so is atheism. What I have read from him seems to be few actual arguments, and more frivolous wordplay in German, pithy aphorisms and adhoms with the occasional burst of lucidity. He’s right about a lot, but he takes it too far. Granted, we read people not to agree with them in whole, but to take insights.

>>9324 >I don’t think Nietzsche is as based as he’s made out to be, and much of his thought seems to have been repurposed by leftists and postmodernists of various kinds. Nietzsche is probably the single most based man to ever exist after Hitler, and if you didn't notice a lot of what Hitler did for Germany has been repurposed by the leftist/postmodernists as well should we dislike him by association, too? >What I have read from him seems to be few actual arguments, and more frivolous wordplay in German, pithy aphorisms and ad homs with the occasional burst of lucidity. Well he did go mad because of constant splitting migraines and I'm not sure anyone ever discovered the cause, but that doesn't invalidate anything he did.

>Offensive Realism is the most stragetically sound international relations theory >Americanism is not a bad thing >some forms of Zionism are interesting, like the Lehi and Bundists >George Berkeley was an enlightenment figure that indirectly influenced a lot of Fascist thought >not all of the enlightenment was bad >not all post-modernists are bad >most countries criticize America because they can't legally criticize their own government >face masks and social distancing are dumb >Germans have an innate nature to obey order, even if it works against them in the short or long term that should piss off a few people.

>>9402 Just to be clear I'm the same anon as >>9324 so I'm not pretending to be someone different. What I am talking about is statements like this that can be found in Nietzsche's works: >My purpose: to demonstrate the absolute homogeneity of all events and the application of moral distinctions as conditioned by perspective; demonstrate how everything praised as moral is identical in essence with everything immoral... The absolute homogeneity of all events? Everything moral is identical in essence with everything immoral? Hitler obviously was Nietzschean in a sense, but obviously he differed from him in major ways, as we can find Nietzsche criticizing political parties, Darwinism, the idea of "improving humanity" and the like in his works. Statements such as the one I quoted above (taken from The Will to Power) are the very foundation of post-modernity and moral relativity. What this type of perspectivism view should be, I think, is that we would recognize that oftentimes our views of reality and truth are colored by our own perspectives, desires, and experiences, but what we should attempt to attain the most objective view common and accessible to nearly all through the use of reason / intellect. Instead we get the idea that "lol the laws of physics are just an interpretation, yeah everything is exactly the same in terms of moral value". I don't hate Nietzsche or anything, if anything I use various terms from him quite often, it's merely stuff like that that raises eyebrows. >>9410 >not all of the enlightenment was bad The undermining of Christianity and an emphasis on Deism, with its focus on reason and the laws of nature, I've been thinking, slowly worked us towards the revival of paganism. Christians of course always viewed nature as a creation of god, but with revelation almost entirely thrown out the window, the ground is opened up for taking the laws of nature and this world as something of greater importance. This didn't happen when the Deists were in vogue of course, as they were still heavily tainted by a Christian view of the world, but one could easily draw based conclusions from the general framework. The real rebirth of paganism came, of course, with Romanticism.

>>9410 Americanism is a bad thing, I am an american and I think so, I want this entire country to burn so that we can rebuild it all into something better something more Aryan.

>>9436 This has gradually became my own view as well. America has been destructive since it’s founding. We need a clean slate.

>>9443 Yeah, I cringe internally when I see niggers like Patriot Front and other people like some tiny ass org I ran across on telegram who make the same mistakes those of the past did, like using the American flag or designs reminiscent of it, or stylizing shit like the confederate flag, which has the exact same root as the other flag because It'll be easier to attract members, and I sit there seeing these retards, thinking; was this supposed to be easy? No! so why take the easy path?! You will only attract the weak and unfit, either mentally or physically, and your organization will sit there trying to "preserve the west" unintentionally revealing that you do not realize the ship is sinking and the water is already up to your chin.

>>9481 Exactly. Americanism in all its kinds has been tried, and it has failed, and most importantly of all, I see myself as diametrically opposed to the spirit of the founders of this country or the type of liberal / Christian / Enlightenment-influenced currents that have shaped it since the settlement of the land and later its founding as a country. Enough of this catering to the herd animal mentality of the present day. When a real movement comes, it won’t whore itself out before the masses with Americanism to gain followers, or bow before them with rhetoric about being “servants of the people”, it will command and lead. The only revolutionary symbols left are the swastika and the black sun.

>>9484 ExactIy, Isit in some of these groups when I have free time, and I just watch them argue over shit like flat earth, which is debunked by the existence of the coriolis effect and the use that snipers put it to, and discussing shit like Chirstian Identity and how "WE WUZ DA REAL ISRAELITES", and just shake my head. If I didn't have a strong will of my own, and a survival instinct which doesn't let me purposely harm myself, I would probably have shot myself at the state of some of these fucking people months ago, because no matter how many times you argue with them there is just no progress to be made. I sincerely thought before getting on telegram and immersing myself in it's "right wing" side that the Lemming/NPC theory was exaggerated, now no such thought enters my mind.

>>9485 The real solace here is that people like that that you mention — people who see it fit to waste time debating flat earth, or sperging about how we are “DUH REEL JOOZ”, will forever be irrelevant. Christians in general are so impotent it is laughable, not to mention CI-niggers. A lot it falls under the idea of one’s political alignment being more or less a hobby or surrogate activity for soulless subhumans that they adopt as like a brand or fandom, hence why they waste their time with inane bullshit and obscure shit no one cares about. Despite it all though, I’m honestly quite Whitepilled. Though I do not know where the future will lead our people, I become more convinced with every passing day that people like me and myself am treading the right path.

>>9486 Oh I know they're irrelevant, and I am quite Whitepilled as well. it's just sometimes I want to actually discuss things of merit, at a faster pace than say, here, allows and they either fly over these idiots heads or they cannot let go of their preconceptions either the ones programmed into them by the priests of the Semitic religion we have to destroy or otherwise and it gets very frustrating, and truthfully, somewhat blackpilling at times.

>>9486 But CI does believe that non-Whites are subhuman and that they should die because they're demons or whatever.

>>9488 That doesn't matter, they are trapped within our enemies designs and as a result are untrustworthy and worthless to any cause like ours.

>>9487 They're mentally enslaved to their books, those types. It makes them unbearable. The Abrahamic mentality seems to lend itself to that kind of behavior. It can be seen even in Marxists.

>>9495 I will never understand that myself, I wonder what makes people do such a thing, to me, even if it were true, that deity should respect my questioning more than absolute obedience, it is a truly staggering level of cognitive dissonance.

>>9536 Yeah, it's a very strange mindset to me, and I can't understand it. I guess it's a form of lemming philosophy / theology for lack of a better term. Just like today, all of their answers come from a single source, which they all assimilate and obey. Everything you need to know is in this book, unquestioningly obey, draw every aspect of your thinking from said book. I'm not opposed to authority or scriptures (obviously I wouldn't be here), but it rubs me the wrong way in any case where people adopt some texts or author to quote constantly and refuse to think outside of the box of this system of thought. Marxism, Christianity, you name it. Fascism just isn't like that, nor National Socialism. But maybe the lemmings need something like this. That is one strong-point of scriptures. The biggest problem is that all of them today are anti-White.

>>9436 sounds like a statement of feeling rather than fact >>9414 most of their beliefs I have that mirror theirs is metaphysical.

>>9488 Positive Christianity thought that about the jews

>>9648 Christianity cannot be separated from the Jews. I bet if Jews converted they'd be welcomed as good little "brothers in Christ". How sad and toothless Christian anti-semitism really is becomes clear once one understands that it's literally just two millennia of shitflinging based on whether Yeshua ben Yosef was "the real messiah" (based on Jewish legends). >>9647 >sounds like a statement of feeling rather than fact I don't even see that is bad. We're not autistic scientists, and to an extent our views are particularistic by nature. Even if we could not find a "FACT" that determines that we should exist as a people, that should change nothing, and only bugmen would change their mind

>>6778 plenty of poor Whites live in a shanty or trailerpark homes without A/C and live just fine.

The advancement of science and technology has been a positive on Whites, problems associated with it are the fault of capitalism promoting rootless cosmopolitanism. Science and inventing new technology led to Europe advancing ahead of other races and allowed us to become far more powerful than them. Fascist luddites are unable to differentiate the faults of the modern world to its actual causes, and instead blame technology.

Technology has further ruined over spiritualies, corrupted our soul and destroyed our environments. We are not anti tech as a whole but our position is that technology shouldn't accelerate so far ahead that it destroys us by making us forget what's important, nor should be used the same way anfags would use it. Lolberts like you should fuck back to Twitter. You retards always use White people as an excuse for your bullshit the same Keith or any nazbol cuck does.

>>9656 >Technology has further ruined over spiritualies, corrupted our soul and destroyed our environments. How far back do you want to go? Going pre-industrial is not going to realistically happen. Even if everything collapsed and we lost all knowledge, the knowledge would simply be re-learnt. Furthermore, being technologically superior to other races enables us to secure the future of the White race through superior weaponry. Being anti-science will only lead to the destruction of the civilization to one that is pro-science. >destroyed our environments. I agree on the destruction of the environment point, you mistake my post (same anon but ip changed) as being against conservationism and environmentalism. But do you not concede that if you want to fix the environment, you would need new, more advanced technology to do that? >Lolberts like you should fuck back to Twitter. Not even a lolbertarian. By "fascist luddites" I did not mean fascists are luddites, but the sub-section of fascists that are luddites. Technology is merely a tool and an ancap position would be to allow anything, but this is not the only position to take on technology, the usage of technology and science is not a binary state.

>>9658 >How far back do you want to go? Going pre-industrial is not going to realistically happen. Even if everything collapsed and we lost all knowledge, the knowledge would simply be re-learnt. Did I imply we should go back to the pre-industtial era? The stance position on is that technology is restricted and limited, there is no going back, technology should not be a part of the common man's life 24/7. We already have lost so much of environment due to technology today, we don't need to worsen it by furthering tech and transforming all of humanity into bugmen. >Furthermore, being technologically superior to other races enables us to secure the future of the White race through superior weaponry. No it does not, technology comes with consequences and sacrifices, eugenics, ecological sciences are the only things I support. Technology has always ruined and being used agaisnt the White man. You faggots need to stop using Whites as an excuse for your degeneracy. >Being anti-science will only lead to the destruction of the civilization to one that is pro-science. Being pro-science will lead to false truths, and a bugmen technocracy. Science and tech can destroy civilization and it has before. You must be that queer, who believes muh genetic science. >But do you not concede that if you want to fix the environment, you would need new, more advanced technology to do that? Do you not understand that to discover and research new sciences and tech you must make more sacrifices? >Not even a lolbertarian. Yeah, sure please convenice me how you aren't a lolbert you try to shill becoming augmentations and DNA splicing.

>>9660 > technology should not be a part of the common man's life 24/7 I am not advocating for this. > technology is restricted and limited To what extent? What sort of research would be approved? Would the entire field of physics be destroyed or halted simply because it advances technology too fast for your liking? >You must be that queer, who believes muh genetic science. >Genetic science So genes aren't real then? >try to shill becoming augmentations and DNA splicing. Strawman. Nowhere did I mention augmentation and genetic modification. You are simply repeating talking points you use for lolberts and not actually thinking about my argument.

>>9655 >>9658 If you're still viewing technology as merely a tool, you're bluepilled on the problem of technology. It's better viewed in the way that Ellul did "is the totality of methods, rationally arrived at and having absolute efficiency (for a given stage of development) in every field of human activity." This technical mindset places absolute concern on organization and maximizing efficiency and adaptability at the cost of everything authentically human, subjecting the society to its dictates. When all spontaneity is snuffed out in the pursuit for more efficiency, more organization, more rationalization, more science, we're left with a soulless bugman society where the humans within it just exist to keep the machine going at little benefit to their own existence. In fact they are more miserable and mentally ill than ever, and the human of the modern age is increasingly dependent on technology in order to exist. He's become weaker, unhealthier, softer, more effeminate, more sensitive to discomfort and pain, more of a subhuman. And on a whole there is a mismatch between millennia of conditioning and the environment and lifestyles of modern humans, which are sedentary, and who live surrounded by concrete, endless noise and stimulation and in densely populated areas, all of which are harmful to humans. Technologies beget new technologies to act as shock-absorbents on the unnatural and disturbing effects of these technologies, hence the growth of television, radio, sports games on said technologies (which also serve as a form of pseudo-nationalism), various forms of anxiety medications, therapists, etc. This drive towards efficient ordering at all costs is what will make automation inevitable and, I think, lead to a resurgence of people who are absolutely prepared to smash the system. Organization-dependent technologies lead to centralized overbearing states ran by technocratic bugmen who justify their decisions on the basis of science (Coronavirus is the perfect example of this). Technology will destroy the human race within a few centuries. Read 'Man and Technics' by Oswald Spengler, who says this. It can also be read about in Linkola, Kaczynski, Ellul. Qutb's book on America is also good exposing what soulless bugmen America were back over 50 years ago

>>9662 >I am not advocating for this. Yes, yes you are, considering that tech that "helped the White man" were thing such as industrial factories, manufactories, machinery industrial farming, etc etc. All of these things did not help the White man and are not helping us today, but further ruining everything. >To what extent? What sort of research would be approved? Would the entire field of physics be destroyed or halted simply because it advances technology too fast for your liking? You know if you weren't so retarded you would lurk around the eco-fash board, because we discuss this there. >So genes aren't real then? That's not what I obviously meant, but that genetic science from (((academia))) is full of shit. You or that anon were shilling bullshit coming from Jews I'm not trusting anything coming from scientists or materialists. >Strawman. Nowhere did I mention augmentation and genetic modification. You are simply repeating talking points you use for lolberts and not actually thinking about my argument. >Muh straw man Please return back to reddit if you can't catch a simple point.

>>6825 Everyone's WeWuzzery is right to some degree. The point is that resting on your laurels and reliving the glory days is a cope because things are bad and getting worse right now. We need to move forward, not live in the past.

Here goes: >Every problem with Feminism, Multiculturalism & LGBTs would be solved overnight if the government put it's foot down that devotion to the nation comes first, and enforced an iron meritocracy. >Ted Kaczynski was dead wrong. Science and engineering have done good, are doing good, and will continue to do good. All these sentiments of "eco-fascism", "Anti Tech", etc, will only drag us backwards. >Voltron Nationalism: For all their puported infighting, 90% of leftists agree on 90% of things. Obama was friends with Ayers for gods sake. We will NOT defeat people with that level of cooperation if we continue to infight like fourteen year olds and disown each other at the drop of a hat. >Putin isn't strong, he's a whiny kleptocrat with skin so thin he censors the media when he got his ass beat by a woman MMA fighter. Corruption is corruption, end of discussion. >Politics aren't a dead end. Not yet. >Burning books should be a felony. >Islam is not our friend. On any level. Period. >Tarrant is not a hero. He did it wrong.

>>10032 >Science and engineering have done good, are doing good, and will continue to do good Can the good be separated from the bad aspects? Has the good ever been separated from the bad aspects? >Burning books should be a felony. Depends on the book. Some are filth that deserve to be burnt. >Tarrant is not a hero. He did it wrong. What went wrong?

>>10032 >iron meritocracy Impossible outside of a single bloodline. A father wants to leave something to his children. A king is ultimately just a father to a nation or even tribe. >Ted Kaczynski was dead wrong. Science and engineering have done good, are doing good, and will continue to do good. All these sentiments of "eco-fascism", "Anti Tech", etc, will only drag us backwards. Doesn't matter what you think. It's all not sustainable. And more importantly much of the degeneracy of today (immigration, tranny bathrooms, abortion in a can, etc.) depends on post-industrial renovations. >>Voltron Nationalism: For all their puported infighting, 90% of leftists agree on 90% of things. Obama was friends with Ayers for gods sake. We will NOT defeat people with that level of cooperation if we continue to infight like fourteen year olds and disown each other at the drop of a hat. They have the backing of Globohomo and you don't. Nothing more. >Politics aren't a dead end. Not yet. Yes it is when you don't belong to the elite. The masses do not direct society. Merely respond to manipulation by elites. This is something Hitler and Mussolini knew well. >Burning books should be a felony. Literacy is overrated. >Islam is not our friend. On any level. Period. Of course it isn't. Achmeds lose wars and are allies of Globohomo.

>>10038 >Literacy is overrated. I read an interesting theory somewhere once that literacy is actual a prerequisite for much of the 24/7 propaganda that we are faced with today. This is part of the reason why communists pushed for mass literacy so much, and even went to the level of simplifying the script in places like China just so they could get more and more lemmings to read. Reading is usually depicted as some sort of road to freedom, but they have little to no ability for discernment or critical thought about what they read, and they suck it up like a sponge, or judge its validity purely on emotional grounds or conditioned reflexes.

>>10032 A lolbert made this post

>>10032 >>Ted Kaczynski was dead wrong. Science and engineering have done good, are doing good, and will continue to do good. All these sentiments of "eco-fascism", "Anti Tech", etc, will only drag us backwards. No you're wrong, the types of technologies such as the internet, abortions, gender-studies, industrial factories, etc have all weaken mankind into materialistic and hedonistic faggotry that transforms us into weaklings. Ted was absolutely right when he said technology will turn gay. Of course this doesn't mean we want certain sciences and tech to be completely abolished, just the ones that are unnecessary and have a negative impact on the natural order. Technology and science must be restricted. >>Burning books should be a felony. What is this lolbert point you're trying to make here? Burning books is a necessity, don't pull this Orwellian excuse of bullshit that burning books is morally wrong. The books that harm our nature will be burned, Hitler burned Jewish books concerning gender, pedophilia, and race, because it was harming Germans and turning them into gay pedophiles just like the gays are today. The only books that aren't worthy of burning are the ones that aren't talmudic garbage, only pro-aryan books matter. >>Islam is not our friend. On any level. Period. Agree and it never will be our friend, not even the Palestinians were our friend in WW2 to be honest. >>Tarrant is not a hero. He did it wrong. Agree, but unfortunately /fascist/ will cope and say it was for the greater good, when he in all honesty didn't do jack shit for the White race and only ended up hurting White New Zelanders.

>>10046 The main problem today is that technology has become so pervasive that we increasingly rely on it for everything and are becoming helpless without it. Continuing on the current trajectory that we are on, in a century or so the entirety of humanity will be pale, effeminate bugmen incapable of doing anything on their own. I think >>9873 this post summed it up good: >Where I think all of these thinkers are right though, is that a piling up off too much technologization and rationalization, along with the conditions of modern life, is harmful to humans and is actually a major source of decadence today in our societies. Weaker, softer humans are the products, and this has gradually been growing worse ever since the onset of the Industrial Revolution. What were once beneficial traits or abilities can in time become a greater harm than good. But hey at least we have science. I fucking love science

>>9652 I disagree. look at Marcionism

>>9652 well most statements against America and Christianity, using presuppositional apologetics, are statements of feelings, not facts, as it would be coming from an atheist as well. Perennialism seems to work for me, and Gnosticism. Amen.

>>10214 Ironically though, by severing links with the kikes by rejecting the Old Testament, one is left with only the most cucked aspects of the Bible, i.e. the New Testament.

>>10215 America should be destroyed because it is a philo-semitic Christian Republic, that is a fact. Christianity in all it's varied forms should be destroyed because firstly it IS jewish and second because it only serves the jew in his goal to destroy all remnants of the White man by creating traitors in National Socialist or even just plain Nationalist, circles, a prominent one I can think of, who was a CI nutshitter is the man who turned David Lane into the feds, I think he runs that retarded Christogenea website today, and has many followers, all these are facts. Good enough for you?

>>10237 Hopefully the possibility of doing away with Christianity becomes more plausible within the next few decades. I’m of the opinion that it has been declining for some time (even people in the 19th century were beginning to say such things), but among some of the older generations it still has a slight hold. Christians very well be our greatest hindrance when it comes to many of the goals that we hold that are a little more unsavory to the average soft and easily-distressed lemming of the today.

>>10243 I think it's possible right now, there are plenty of Pagans among our circles but none of them are doing more than opposing the odd CI fuckheads, what we need to do is organize solely as Pagans and enforce it unfailingly those who call themselves christian just to "uphold tradition" will either die, to whatever method, or relent and convert when it becomes clear their path has no merit and leads only to a repeat of what we are dealing with now.

>>10244 If not organizing as pagans alone, I think there is definitely merit in organizing anti-Christians of various stripes, at least if they are not hardcore fedora-tippers. The Christian approach, like you say, is inherently flawed by the slave morality of Christianity and its universal applicability.

>>10243 Anybody who is not Christian, Islamist, or Jewish, is by definition a Pagan, although many cringey as fuck atheists should of course be avoided I was speaking more on the grounds of Anti-Abrahamists in general.

>>10374 Luckily extreme fedora-tippers don't seem to be as common nowadays. Some types of atheist are more Abrahamic and kosher than others.

>>10237 >More feelings not facts

>>10216 >most cucked >not the Hebrew old testament, oh no no

>>10524 >>10525 Crucify yourself. The Old Testament is a Jewish supremacist text full of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Phineas kills a single race-mixing couple with a spear and God lifts a plague from Israel and makes his descendents a perpetual priesthood. The New Testament tells you to be a cuck, to be a doormat, to turn the other cheek, love your enemies, to hate your mother and father, to give up your cloak, to obey the government. You literally can’t be a Christian and a Fascist

>>10524 Everything I said is factual, not one bit of it is based on feelings.

>>10555 Trips confirm.

>>10524 Hi, Mr. Shapiro.

>>6675 I expanded upon the second one and will give an explanation which justifies fascism's position on the political compass Social darwinism is an inherently individualistic ideology that is incompatible with Fascism, Because it juxtaposes a survival of fittest mentality bereft of most Capitalist Institutions, which therefore makes it, as true Fascism being anti-capitalist, betrays a sense of cooperation among classes, which is also antithetical to communism's class warfare mentality. Social darwinism on the right is survival of business monopoly, on the left it's survival of the proletarian. The third positionist avoids both hazards by being a third alternative to either/or by being a co-operative movement between the absolute state, the businesses and the community at writ large.

>>10557 first off I'm not jewish and tbh what is even facts? most expressions of wills are just human feelings, from the left to the right to in between. I'm not saying its a bad thing, its the ultimate expression of mankind, the eternal will.

>>10540 yeah Codreanu, Degrelle and Franco were liberals, I'm sorry.

>>10568 >falling the meme-tier degenerate version of Social Darwinism and not the one advocated for by actual 19th century biologists

this is also the unpopular opinions thread, you specifically asked for unpopular opinions, so thats what you get. says really more about you than me if you can't handle some disagreement.

>>10572 well they were wrong, it was also applied to economics through Veblen called "evolutionary economics" and the bereft selection of individual institutions based on survival rates and supply/demand. we can argue this until the cows come home but I'm pretty well read on this subject and I'd like you to try and disprove this conjecture.

>>10573 Just because it's the unpopular opinions thread doesn't mean we won't bully you for your opinions.

>>10575 and that's fine but it just makes you look like a knucklehead, devoid of any intellectual capacity to rationalize.

>>10574 Social Darwinists in the sense you're thinking of are wrong - this isn't the only type of Social Darwinism though. The variety that everyone should support is based of organicism, cell theory and related ideas / biological facts. Classical Social Darwinism is the laissez-faire survival of the fittest within society, but many people have disagreed with this retarded version of it in favor one that takes into account gregarious animals such as humans, bees, ants, etc, recognizing that in such groups this is where the survival of the fittest is most felt, and that the level of competition within the group ranges from minimal to almost perfectly altruistic and self-sacrifice in some animals, leading to talk of whether they can be considered "superorganisms".

>>10578 It can also be applied to economics in "too big to fail Institutions" super organisms, of a certain kind

>>10555 There is no actual facts just different expressions of individual or collective wills

>>10582 >There is no actual facts Very leftoid-tier post

>>10583 Schopenhauer wasn't a leftist he was largely apolitical

>>7363 Didn't Lyndon LaRouche want to cut ties with the uk?

Materialism is hated on too much. Note: I'm not talking in the consumerist sense

>>10540 Yes Mussolini, the one who started the fascist movement and also a devouted catholic was not a fascist.

>>10752 Mussolini was an atheist. D'Annunzio was a Nietzschean atheist too.

>>10046 Good luck burning ebooks.

>>10763 >implying we're going to allow people to waste energy on their devices

>>10759 Mussolini was an atheist and then he converted when he started the fascist movement. He was only an atheist when he was a cringe atheist commie.

>>10770 If even half the stuff on Wikipedia about him and the church are true he was never Catholic or anything.

>>10540 would the old testament be wrong though if it was exactly the way it is now, but instead of jewish supremacist it was a european supremacist text.

There is no point to do anything. Taking part in politics is useless since you will either become a cuck or be canceled. Becoming a martyr will just get more crackdowns. "Checking off the grid" or whatever LARPers, faggots, lolbergs, Vargniggers yell about isn't a show of strength. It's running away or selfishness or just wallowing in your own mud since you are insignifcant. You aren't posing any meaningful opposition to the failure of Europa and her sons. Globohomo will go on and go on until either a chunk of the global elite wages war against it or there's mass disaster.

>>10772 Yes, for it denies the natural law and life as much as what follows, it is the source of the attitude that all other life is here to do nothing but serve the jews or in your retarded idea the White man.

>>10772 It would be much better if it was a European supremacist text and if people followed it. Moses knew exactly what he was doing. It’s basically a legalistic path to Jewish preservation and dominance >>10797 Why not just kill yourself then if the fight is already lost? If I saw absolutely zero way out of this there’d be little reason for me to live or do anything.

>>10799 It would be better but it would still be wrong for our people.

>>10804 That’s sort of what I was thinking as well. Originally I wrote a more positive post, but even the Old Testament alone is a little to jewy for me in certain respects. It’s definitely lacking the Aryan spirit.

Let's try this one - Nazism failed because it sprouted from ariosophy which was based on pseuddo-spirituality and itself derived from the supreme fraud of all, theosophy, which was a cult of liars and scumbags who tricked gullible people. Then the esoteric part of Nazism rejected too much of the Irminsulean roots and lost itself in granting responsibility and power to Karl Maria Willigut.

>>11285 Ariosophy is overemphasized by Jews for purposes of sensationalism and to scare Christcucks. National Socialism is far more rooted in late 19th century and early 20th century science. In fact, it is the application of these eternal truths to the political and social realms. Anyone who tries to say that esotericism was central to National Socialism is a clown.

>>10797 Fuck off niggerpiller >>11285 I thought the reason why National Socialism failed is because it was too much inbed with Christianity which prevented a-lot of sciences and change of lifestyles they wanted to implement within German society to improve it and come more in tune with the laws of nature.

>>11287 >Ariosophy* Anthroposophy

>>11293 >Anthroposophy What? Guido von List and Lanz von Liebenfels have much more of a linkage than anything else.

>>11299 >anthroposofuck I nigged, ignore addition.

>>11285 Can you give me a explinationof what Karl Maria Willigut believed and why it's more valid than something like Wotanism?

>>11318 I read that one Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke book on Ariosophy, and that had a section on Karl Maria Wiligut, and apparently he believed that he was the last descendant of a long line of Germanic sages, the Uiligotis of the Asa-Uana-Sippe, and that he had some form of clairvoyant ancestral memory. Wiligut apparently claimed that the Bible was originally written in Germany, and came from an "Irminist" religion which was opposed to another religion Wotanism. This Irminist religion celebrated a Germanic god "Krist". There were many wars between the Wotanists and Irminists, and a prophet named Baldur-Chrestos was crucified by Irminists, but then fled to Asia, and then wars continued for many centuries. Christianity bowdlerized and appropriated Jesus later. Also worth noting that in 1924 Wiligut was involuntarily committed to a mental asylum until 1927. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia involving megalomaniac and paranoid delusions. Doesn't necessarily discredit him though

>>11342 >Also worth noting that in 1924 Wiligut was involuntarily committed to a mental asylum until 1927 >Doesn't necessarily discredit him though Except it kind of does discredit him considering there is no evidence nor anything we have that proves him correct. Not to say it's not possible to be correct in the end, but it still leaves much to skepticism and doesn't change my mind of advocating what he believed in.

>>11346 Perhaps a more accurate way of conveying what I was trying to say would be that I was not trying to necessarily "poison the well" in mentioning that the fact of his commitment and mental illnesses, but I still thought it was worth mentioning. I certainly don't believe this nonsense

Nitschze is a faggot

>>11350 Then how come swallowing the Nietzsche pill makes people so based?

>>11352 Probably, because Fascist took Nitschze's ideas and made it less cringe and retarded.

>>11352 Can someone summarize what nitschze believed in? In greentext form?

>>11356 Nitschze is not a bad philosopher, I still like him whether he liked or hated the Jews, because his ideas were something very inspirational and very much in line with fascism. But he is no where near as good as Plato or Herodotus who I see as true philsophoers,

>>11350 >>11356 >>11359 >>11360 >Nitschze

>>11360 Nitschze was not pro-semitic and he is a great philosopher, but I do agree he isn't as genius as someone like Plato.

>>11360 >Herodotus Herodotus wasn't a philosopher, he wrote a book on the Greco-Persian wars and all sorts of tall tales about distant lands

>>11397 He courted a jewess for quite a while IIRC, for what it's worth

>>11401 >Herodotus I meant Heraclitus

>>11359 The various short little articles on the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy and the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy aren't bad. I think the key things to focus on are the naturalized history of morals that he gives, the influence of perspective, his talk of ressentiment and its role among Christians, socialists and others of their ilk, and how the morality of Europe in his time was a herd morality, and that more and more people were weak, effeminate and degenerating cucks. Another good ancient sophist was Callicles. In his dialogue with Socrates he basically described slave morality and said how "might is right" is a law of nature: >>What do we do with the best and strongest among us? We capture them young, like lions, mould them, and turn them into slaves by chanting spells and incantations over them which insist that they have to be equal to others and that equality is admirable and right. But I'm sure that if a man is born in whom nature is strong enough, he'll shake off all these limitations, shatter them to pieces, and win his freedom; he'll trample all our regulations, charms, spells and unnatural laws into the dust; this slave will rise up and reveal himself as our master; and then natural right will blaze forth.

>>11318 He pushed hard for an esoteric form of Christianity, albeit devoid of Semitism, and there seems to have been a touch of drama regarding claims he made about his scholarly relation with von List, which was not acknowledged in the slightest by the latter. There's also the strong aversion to Wotanists, as detailed by >>11342. It's possible that it had a less than good influence on the esoteric side of Nazism. >>11350 >Neetshee ze faggüt hello hello hello hello hello hello

>>11414 a double 14 on the rock! >>What do we do with the best and strongest among us? We capture them young, like lions, mould them, and turn them into slaves by chanting spells and incantations over them which insist that they have to be equal to others and that equality is admirable and right. But I'm sure that if a man is born in whom nature is strong enough, he'll shake off all these limitations, shatter them to pieces, and win his freedom; he'll trample all our regulations, charms, spells and unnatural laws into the dust; this slave will rise up and reveal himself as our master; and then natural right will blaze forth. Pure basium. Need moar.

>>11544 I'll quote some more from 'Gorgias' then. Callicles was based. Unfortunately, outside of his original introduction in the dialogue, Plato portrays him as increasingly ridiculous, making him advocate for unrestrained hedonism and other nonsense. I think though that he really had no arguments against this type of view, so he had to slander it and twist it to make it so easily debunkable. Myself, having views similar to Callicles in some respects, can easily recognize the importance of self-control in the superior individual. >I suppose the makers of the laws are the weaker sort of men, and the more numerous. So it is with a view to themselves and their own interest that they make their laws and distribute their praises and censures; and to terrorize the stronger sort of folk who are able to get an advantage, and to prevent them from getting one over them, they tell them, that such aggrandizement is foul and unjust, and that wrongdoing is just this endeavor to get the advantage of one's neighbors: for I expect they are well content to see themselves on an equality, when they are so inferior. >So this is why by convention it is termed unjust and foul to aim at an advantage over the majority, and why they call it wrongdoing: but nature, in my opinion, herself proclaims the fact that it is right for the better to have advantage of the worse, and the abler of the feebler. It is obvious in many cases that this is so, not only in the animal world, but in the states and races, collectively, of men—that right has been decided to consist in the sway and advantage of the stronger over the weaker. For by what manner of right did Xerxes march against Greece, or his father against Scythia? Or take the countless other cases of the sort that one might mention. >Why, surely these men follow nature—the nature of right—in acting thus; yes, on my soul, and follow the law of nature—though not that, I dare say, which is made by us; we mold the best and strongest amongst us, taking them from their infancy like young lions, and utterly enthral them by our spells and witchcraft, telling them the while that they must have but their equal share, and that this is what is fair and just. But, I fancy, when some man arises with a nature of sufficient force, he shakes off all that we have taught him, bursts his bonds, and breaks free; he tramples underfoot our codes and juggleries, our charms and “laws,” which are all against nature; our slave rises in revolt and shows himself our master, and there dawns the full light of natural justice

Some mischlings are okay.

>>11551 >are okay In what sense? What did this Jew do that was valuable for Germany? He served in the military for a short time before Hitler kicked him and other kikes out. Most of these people were brought to prominence in attempts to embarrass or discredit the Third Reich, just like in the case of Hessy Levinsons Taft.

>>11553 >In what sense? In the sense that they don't do anything overtly treasonous.

>>11555 Base exceptions proving the rule

>>11556 >Base exceptions proving the rule That's why it's an unpopular opinion.

Most people, including Whites, simply don't deserve to live. Ignorance is a choice and so is apathy. Only kids are truly, temporarily innocent and everyone else has been found guilty of enacting or enabling extreme degeneracy, and therefore should be slaughtered. The only road to redemption is to dedicate your existence to the extermination of everyone, White or otherwise but starting with non-Whites, who has contributed to the current state of the world.

>>11555 It's a coin-flip. Either they'll be more like a gentile, or they will manifest the eternal Jew within them.

>>11566 >adopt edgy extreme position >n-not kids though! You either gotta go all the way or not say anything at all.

Trump has to win the election.

>>11594 If you had two brain cells you'd realize at no point did I say kids should be spared. They're still mostly innocent, I say mostly because I've met genuinely fucked up kids before (mostly non-Whites) but all kids are future repentless degenerates anyway. Also >edgy extreme position Do you know where you are?

>>11608 >>edgy extreme position You're still bluepilled if you think most of what is expressed on this board is edgy or extreme. Many of these things said here were openly said in the leading scientific journals and newspapers of the day back just a little over a century ago. Even more, Nature is the true neutral, everything else is merely relative to the workings of it.

>>11632 >Many of these things said here were openly said in the leading scientific journals and newspapers of the day back just a little over a century ago This is true. People today would not believe the racist and unbiased nature of journalism and study back then. They think we have "progressed" when its more of infantile regression.

>>11640 Reading things from that era is truly a breath of fresh air. All they did was say the truth, and I can hardly detect malice or "hate" in their words. I was just yesterday finishing up a book which explored the thought of a particular Social Darwinist, and I found it funny how in the final "critique" section it condemned this type of thought as it appeared in German for its 'legitimization of nationalism, racism and sexism', as if these things were bad even to acknowledge or believe, regardless of what the facts reported. It truly is an infantile regression.

>>11647 The facts that were stated were never meant to be seen as hate facts or anything. Heck people think these scientists and researchers had a hatred for other races when it's just research. They probably knew there were exceptions but just that exceptions don't prove the rule.

>>11648 The tying up of our views with "hate" is one of the most pernicious Jewish lies.

>>11654 It's not a lie, Hitler directly connected the two himself many times, for if you love sopmething you must hate that which harms it or you do not love what you claim to love, quit being an idiot.

>>11666 The Jewish idea of what constitutes “hate” is much different from the hatred born from love. The hate that the Jews say we embody is just mindless, irrational raging, usually due (they say) to the fact that we are “losers” or “have nothing else to be proud of”, so we latch onto “skin color”.

>>11667 While I see your point, hatred is like that no matter it's source, even if we hate from love, it is hate still. It should be embraced such that it becomes the core of ones being, such that it reinforces and hardens one's heart so that one can do what is necessary in the coming times.

>>11673 Well, I certainly don't see hippy-like ideas of love winning us back our nations, so maybe you are right. A Völkisch love as expounded by Hitler is the type of love that would do anything to help one's own flesh and blood

>>11632 >Not sure if naive All became extremely relative. Today, even thinking that your shit and niggers share the same color is absolutely forbidden. >>11685 And so we see that He was right.

>>11726 >even thinking that your shit and niggers share the same color is absolutely forbidden. Then what are we supposed to think once the blinds are off?

>>11730 >Then what are we supposed to think once the blinds are off? 14 88

>>11783 We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children, because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth.

>>10237 CI believes in ethnoglobe (Whites are the only humans and nonWhites are Edom or the devil's or whatever). So how are they nuts if your beliefs and their beliefs match.

>>11816 >So how are they nuts if your beliefs and their beliefs match. They don't match. They believe they are the ancient kikes of the hebrew bible and hate non-christian Whites. They would constitute a danger in any ethnostate.

>>11816 How, aside from ethnoglobe, do my beliefs and theirs match? I hate Jews, they do not, they believe that they and I, by extension, are jews and that the jews that we are dealing with today are somehow not the jews of the bible despite an unbroken line of descent and genetic science telling us they are in fact one and the same people, they also claim that these Jews who follow the Talmud are somehow people who only picked up the religion two centuries ago or so and do not know how to speak the tongue they have practiced and preserved for three thousand years in an unbroken oral tradition, which I am positive we do not know in full despite the Talmud being written down. If their beliefs and mine matched they would have already killed themselves for being idiots that love an archaeologically non-existent, and somehow unrecorded by his opponents, Zombie Rabbi so much that they think they are jews despite all the evidence to the contrary.

>>11816 The reason that CI fags are nuts has little to do with ethnoglobe or anything that anons here would likely agree with them on. One matching belief is also meaningless, there are things that people here probably agree with that Jews or Muslims believe, but that doesn't make both of those groups as a whole not scum.

>>11820 >>11839 >>11843 I thought Ethnoglobe was all you people ever wanted. I mean you use the "peaceful WNs just want a homeland" as a front to facilitate the global takeover secretly. Wouldn't you ally with your main goal regardless of the difference of opinions?

>>11849 >I mean you use the "peaceful WNs just want a homeland" as a front to facilitate the global takeover secretly. Only cucks use this rhetoric >Wouldn't you ally with your main goal regardless of the difference of opinions? Not when they’ll refuse to deal with you because you don’t accept the fact that we’re the “real Jews” and won’t suck Yeshua’a cock

"""White""" Americans get the rope at the same time as the other Americans. No exceptions.

>>11605 kys

>>11885 Looks like you're talking about jews, thats not unopopular.

>>11885 Was there ever any doubt?

>>11888 I think he's talking about all Americans. >>11885 Whiter than you, Mohammad

>>11898 Then he's just retarded, everybody knows the realk resistance will begin there and it is from there the rest of Europe will get support to begin their own revolutions, not really any other viable p[ath.

>>11917 This is what I think as well. Europe will never free itself. In fact, the world will never free itself until the Jew is removed from America. Here in America we are quite literally living in the kike capital of the world. There are more Jews here than there are in Israel, it's important to remember. It's not entirely impossible that WWIII will be between a liberated America and a Jewish-controlled Europe

>>11920 There will be no WWIII. The US is about to collapse and balkanize and so will China to a lesser extent when it happens. Europe is currently undergoing a massive population crunch that would still be a problem even if every non-White vanished from European soil at this very moment, it will take decades for a single European nation to become a significant power again, they simply don't have the (White) population to become players at the international stage just yet. Same story with Japan, though they might recover faster if they start annexing the surrounding territories. The only countries that could benefit from this are Iran and Russia, the latter of which will need at least a decade to regain control over their surrounding satellite states (most of which are currently part of NATO) before truly reaping the benefits of a US-free world. There might be a confrontation between the Iranians and the Turks though, as both would gain great relevancy in that future.

>>11920 Why do you say that as if the jew is the only enemy? Some here say that it's Whites Vs every other race.

>>11940 It is the Whites versus every other race. Nature is a place of eternal struggle for existence. The Jews are our greatest enemy, though, and by far the most dangerous. All other races are at this point in time more or less golems of the Jews who wittingly or unwittingly march in lockstep with the broader plans of the Jews towards a one-world state and full technocratic control over the masses of consumer slaves. The Jews only pragmatically use these other races as tools to further their designs, they don't have any genuine concern for them. The ways Jews operate is merely how they carry on their struggle for existence, by acting essentially as human parasites on other societies.

>Positivism is the only answer to the gnsosis problem >Only exist the reallity, the matter and spirit dosen't exist, only reallity >All things of the man are only their concepts, ergo, everything is an abstraction of the subject. >Dosen't exist objective society, is only an abstraction >War is the only reason of the whole life

>>11943 Yeah but even with the jews gone the Whites will just control the non-Whites as just puppets. Like the Hostel movie where the rich just pays for torture porn of captured people. But the inevitable truth is there - there is no happy ending.

>>11946 If non-Whites are subjected to White domination, I have zero problem with this. Might is right. However, in the current state of the world, domination is harder than it was in the past, and may not even be completely desirable in the long term.

>>11886 Nice argument faggot

>>11948 >I have zero problem with the elite Whites acting like disgusting subhumans Fuck you. Animal abusers get the rope.

>>11972 >dominating other peoples is bad Cry all you like, but the Laws of Nature trample upon your petty moralism at every turn.

>>11975 Well I hope your sadofuhrers don't have any misconceptions about privilege within the Laws of Nature, because they will all swing for my "petty moralism".

>>11975 Well I hope your sadofuhrers don't have any misconceptions about privilege within the Laws of Nature, because they will all swing for my "petty moralism".

>>11989 >>11990 Nature trumps ethics. Literally nothing you can do. Your moralizing is gay.

>>11992 >Literally nothing you can do ok retard

>>11993 Looks like someone is illiterate. No one said that you can't act, it was said that reality being like this is what is unchangeable.

>>11994 Nice goalpost-moving, Coldsteel. No, fucktard. You were not talking about that. You were talking about how it's totally fine for people to behave in a disgusting way just because they are White. Suffering is a part of reality. Destruction is inevitable. But going out of one's way to maximize both for no good reason is a choice and a choice that respectable folk do not need to tolerate. I don't know about you, but I am not some mindless agent of ruin like a virus. I have been blessed with sentience and the power to choose. I don't have to keel over and submit when some subhuman flexes his muscles. Just as a king can choose to use his power to make the world shittier than it needs to be, any one of his subjects can choose to make it a better place by killing him. To see evil and crawl back into your cave muttering "natural selection" is nothing more than cowardice.

>>11995 >I don't have to keel over and submit when some subhuman flexes his muscles. Yes, you do, superior force eliminates your choice in the matter. Might is right. Resist if you will, the strongest will prevail. Freedom is the capacity to act, and freedom to do what one wishes lies merely in the power to do it and enact one's will. >Just as a king can choose to use his power to make the world shittier than it needs to be, any one of his subjects can choose to make it a better place by killing him. Was never denied, but might will still be right. >To see evil and crawl back into your cave muttering "natural selection" is nothing more than cowardice. No one is talking about natural selection. What does surviving and being able to reproduce have to do with the topic at hand? Individualistic Social Darwinism is a meme btw

>>11816 >CI believes in ethnoglobe CI believes that Whites were the first and original Jews and are the only ones capable of making Judaism incorruptible meaning they want us to be Jews. Our beliefs don't match considering CI crusaders never wanted to rule over the Middle East for the Euro people, but for the pope and they never made attempts to rule and out populate the native pops in the Levant during the Crusade, but only convert and settle some Euros, so they can have enough soldiers to fight off the Mudslime hordes and maintain stability. >>11849 >I thought Ethnoglobe was all you people ever wanted. I mean you use the "peaceful WNs just want a homeland" Except we don't do this at all, the only people who do this are wignats and nazbols who don't mind other races co-existing on the same land or just want separation from other races to avoid race mixing and to have a land for themselves.

>>11997 >wignats Is that you, Spic Fuentes?

>>11996 >Might is right >Might is right >Might is right >Might is right Well actually, it isn't. If might says 2+2=5, that doesn't make it true. Nor is might inherently justified. If we have a world where only the evil possess might, that doesn't make the mighty villains good and the powerless saints evil. It just means that the evil can push their lies and spread their malice with impunity. The meaning of that saying is that lamenting to the heavens about evil is worthless, and the only way to bring worthwhile good to a stained world is through power. >Resist if you will, the strongest will prevail Which is why strength is a moral imperative. >No one is talking about natural selection. Interesting how your more concerned with my choice of words than the point I'm trying to get across. >Individualistic Social Darwinism is a meme btw NUH-UH! MIGHT IS RIGHT!

>>12001 >Nor is might inherently justified It needs no justification. It is self-justifying. >evil Define "evil" >Interesting how your more concerned with my choice of words than the point I'm trying to get across. A poor choice of words is totally self-defeating for your own arguments. >NUH-UH! MIGHT IS RIGHT! It's a meme because it quite literally is not in accordance with reality. A swing and a miss.

>>11999 >Is that you, Spic Fuentes? <If you don't like Dick Spencer fanboys then you must like Fuentes Go back to twatter, every faggot who has that spic rent free in their heads has shown themselves to be a degenerate, chinkland shill and have a yerrow fervor fetish. As reactionaries have Spic Funetes, wignats have massive faggots such as Mike Enoch and Dickie Spencer.

>>12004 >It is self-justifying It is self-sustaining. Just because something exists doesn't make it just. >Define "evil" Willingly and knowingly causing suffering, destroying nice things or otherwise making the world a shittier place for reasons beyond survival or sacrifice for a net positive gain. >A poor choice of words is totally self-defeating for your own arguments. False. You just don't have any justification for your cowardly, subhuman worldview and are therefore trying to use jewish tricks to switch the topic to semantics. >It's a meme because it quite literally is not in accordance with reality Nope. Individualistic social darwinists are stronger than you are so therefore they are right and you are wrong.

>>12009 >Spencer Can you only think in ecelebs? Spencer, Enoch, Keith Woods - all of them are subversive faggots

>>12001 >Nor is might inherently justified. Newfaggot detected, learn what might is you retard. > the mighty villains good and the powerless saints evil. You sound like a shitlib, stop watching Marvel movies they rot your brain. There is no good or evil. >Which is why strength is a moral imperative. You sure? Because the kikes aren't moral whatsoever and they haven taken over a large portion of the world. >>12011 >Spencer, Enoch, Keith Woods - all of them are subversive faggots No shit? Which is I'm taking a group of queers who are continue to shill said e-celebs.

>>12004 Or let me ask you this: Are the jews good, right and justified in all that they do? The jews have might, so tell me exactly what you think about the jews and how justified they are.

>>12010 >It is self-sustaining. Just because something exists doesn't make it just. And what is just? Nature argues for the very worldview I espouse. Apart from mutable human conventions of particular communities, we can see in the animal world and between the relations of states true "natural justice" - if one wants to call it that - at work, and that true natural justice is nothing but will of the stronger. >Willingly and knowingly causing suffering, destroying nice things or otherwise making the world a shittier place for reasons beyond survival or sacrifice for a net positive gain. And why should anyone care what you define as evil, or that this "evil" has any objective existence outside of the minds of select humans? It is merely your interpretation, one interpretation among many. >You just don't have any justification for your cowardly, subhuman worldview and are therefore trying to use jewish tricks to switch the topic to semantics. When you have to resort to accusing me of using "jewish tricks", it's a sure sign that you're flustered. If we are not operating on the same definitions, there can be no discussion, and there will be nothing but assumptions and strawman arguments until the end of time. > Individualistic social darwinists are stronger than you are so therefore they are right and you are wrong. Another swing and a miss. Of course a strong individual can compel me to act in a certain way, but that does not mean that ideology of individualistic Social Darwinism as a whole is in accordance with human reality. There's a reason such crude Social Darwinism was not espoused by anyone with actual knowledge in these matters, such as Ernst Haeckel, Oka Asajirō and many, many others including Hitler.

>>12012 >baseless insult and meaningless "it's not my job to educate you, shitlord" drivel >left-of-field ad-hom and nihilism >absolute lack of reading comprehension Don't you have school, kiddo?

>>12013 You need to stop thinking in terms of goodness, right and justice. You will never understand the workings of Nature if you continue to graft these concepts that have no existence independent of the human mind onto reality. Nature is beyond good and evil. It is dominated by eternal struggle both between individuals, between groups, between races and between species. Some satisfy their needs, others do not, and perish, or are dominated by the strong. Jews are merely another group engaging in their own struggle for existence and satisfaction of needs. Politics is the struggle of a people for their existence. All Jews must die for what they are doing to both to myself, and to my race. Either we as a race extirpate this parasite from our lands, or we will go extinct. Simple as that. I could spend my entire life crying about how Jews don't obey my arbitrary moral standards for how people should behave, but Nature will trump ethics again and again as it always has. Hitler explains much of this very cogently at the very beginning of the Zweites Buch. See attached.

>>12015 >>baseless insult and meaningless "it's not my job to educate you, shitlord" drivel <Nooo you're supposed to educate me on everything! <I don't want to lurk on the board or ask questions on QTDDTOT! Learn to lurk and research. >>left-of-field ad-hom >muh ad-homs >Nilhisim Never implied nor shown any case of that, you're just proving that you are indeed retarded. >>absolute lack of reading comprehension On what case faggot? I understood you perfectly and every ignorant sentence you typed out on this board. It's not my fault you have no conception nor comprehension of what might is right means and how it works. Learn to how to be educated and then maybe I wouldn't treat you like a moron.

>>12014 >true natural justice is nothing but will of the stronger So why waste you will on being a sniveling, morally bankrupt coward? >why should anyone care what you define as evil It's a pretty standard definition. Christfags reckon "evil" is everything Satan does, but they more or less dump everything that I call "evil" onto him. Besides that, what I call "evil" is less important than what others call "evil". If you see something that you think is evil and do nothing then that makes you a coward. >"evil" has any objective existence outside of the minds of select humans? It is human minds making these decisions. That's like saying people shouldn't be influenced by love or anger because such things exist only inside the mind. >If we are not operating on the same definitions, there can be no discussion You knew exactly what I meant when I mentioned "natural selection" and you know full well that within the context it has no real influence over our discussion. >>12019 >Nature is beyond good and evil Yes. NATURE is beyond good and evil. NATURE is amoral. NATURE doesn't give a fuck if you torture a puppy to death or exterminatus the Earth. But we as sentient beings have the power to choose. We can choose to be moral. We can choose to protect other sentient beings from unnecessary suffering. We can choose to make the world a better place. To say that you shouldn't give a fuck about right and wrong just because nature doesn't is to say that you have no more agency than the shit-smeared tapeworm gnawing at my intestine. It is such a terrible waste do deny one's own agency. Also it's quite interesting that you would try bringing Hitler into this despite having zero problem with animal cruelty. >>12020 ok retard

>>12022 >So why waste you will on being a sniveling, morally bankrupt coward? Not an argument. >It's a pretty standard definition And? Does that make it something which actually exists, or is a human-invented concept has no relevance to the macrocosm? The fact that you revert to mentioning Christcucks to support your "standard definition" is highly amusing (and very telling). >It is human minds making these decisions. That's like saying people shouldn't be influenced by love or anger because such things exist only inside the mind. You didn't answer the question. I don't care if some humans have some concept of "evil" - I asked whether evil has an objective existence outside of the minds of select humans, i.e. whether it is a feature of nature. Your lack of an answer is telling. And be enslaved by your emotions, love or anger, is a weakness by the way >To say that you shouldn't give a fuck about right and wrong just because nature doesn't is to say that you have no more agency than the shit-smeared tapeworm gnawing at my intestine. It is such a terrible waste do deny one's own agency. It is through my own agency that I recognize that there are no moral facts at all. We are a microcosm of the macrocosm of Nature. We are Nature. Nature is us. Morality is something invented by humans for specific purposes, something which is mutable over time, and varies more or less over the centuries in different environments, different cultures, among different races, among different religions, among different ethnic groups, etc. >Also it's quite interesting that you would try bringing Hitler into this despite having zero problem with animal cruelty. Hitler didn't believe that it was some fact mystically existing within Nature that you must love animals, it was merely a predilection of his.

ITT: The Chad Nietzschean versus the Virgin Moralist

>>12025 >Not an argument Not an argument. >m-muh macrocosm >the fuhrer's hobby of buttfucking newborn babies has literally no effect on Pluto's weather so just leave him alone alright? >The fact that you revert to mentioning Christcucks to support your "standard definition" is highly amusing (and very telling). Again with the jewish tricks. Also not an argument. >I asked whether evil has an objective existence outside of the minds of select humans, i.e. whether it is a feature of nature I actually did answer that. Maybe if you weren't too busy jacking off to your sister's stained panties you would have seen. But I guess a lack of literacy is to be expected from inbred niggers like yourself. >It is through my own agency that I recognize that there are no moral facts at all. We are a microcosm of the macrocosm of Nature. We are Nature... blah blah blah Nice fedora. It goes well with your Pickle Rick shirt, you nihilistic wanker. >Hitler didn't believe that it was some fact mystically existing within Nature that you must love animals He did believe that the likes of you should be killed. For once I think we can both agree that that's all that matters. This is a waste of time and I am done with you.

>>12028 >I am done with you. I accept your concession.

>>12028 >>12030 Get a room you two. Or don't, my fucking sides.

I feel like there is one anon here whose autism has such depths that I've seen him drive people into concessions multiple times over the years now. Is it BO?

It almost seems like technology subsitutes the lowest caste, beneath the slave caste and the worst hell possible on this plane of existence, is not communism, a rule by slaves, but a cyberocracy a complete rule by technology and computers. That is not to say that technology is inherently bad, it has its place, but when mindlessly used it can crawl upwards and do some major damage. This seems to be one of the most overseen dangers, even if Whites should manage an uprising or something of that sort, it could lead to an even bigger hell.

>>11992 If you abuse innocent animals you're getting a bullet through your skull I don't care if you're White. Might is right.

>>12043 >a cyberocracy a complete rule by technology and computers. I have just the book for you. Alternatively: https://youtu.be/Et0PUYLV7Ek >>12047 Believing that nature trumps ethics says nothing about that poster’s personal opinion towards animals, anon.

>>12049 >Believing that nature trumps ethics says nothing about that poster’s personal opinion towards animals, Yes it does, might is right can also being used as an excuse of one's action of their own desire. Anarchist hold this viewpoint of doing degeneracy because "might is right". Nature is against degeneracy, not every thing is "might".

>>12051 No, it doesn’t. There is quite the leap in logic between the statement “there are no moral facts” to “I personally enjoy abusing animals”. The logic doesn’t follow. It is also a mistake to think that this denial of moral facts is any sort of “anarchist” view — moral facts might not exist, but moralities *do* that are socialized and enforced by groups in order to maintain cohesion and a degree of harmony. These are quite useful and necessary, and is hardly an a denial of Nature’s Laws, which are quite different from morality in the normal sense. They are more of constraints than anything else, which bring harm on those who try to transgress them, either immediately, or in the future. >not every thing is "might". Of course might is not everything, but when it comes to power and the ability to be able to do something or not do something, it ultimately comes down to might. Actions have consequences though, and as an individual one’s might is inherently limited unless they have might in a social sense and are able to get people to obey and carry out the stronger’s will by proxy.

>>12052 Moral facts, do exist the denial of it is quite indeed anarchist. We can see from the jews when they murder, profit off of greed, cheat, lie and steal they degrade overtime. I have not seen a single jew who wasn't an ugly piece of shit with who has went the complete opposite direction of what makes one virtuous. While indeed liberal morals are a an cancer, the virtues and morals that self-constrains ourselves and makes us strong, wise and courageous is not fictional nor harmful against us and the Aryans knew this which is why they made this of importance in all Indo-European religions. There indeed moral facts, true morality just isn't how kikes view it. >Actions have consequences though, and as an individual one’s might is inherently limited unless they have might in a social sense and are able to get people to obey and carry out the stronger’s will by proxy. I'm glad we agree on this.

>>12053 What’s your moral ontology then? Just because self-control can be beneficial to oneself, or that certain actions are conducive to stable societies, doesn’t make them moral facts in the slightest. There’s no truth underlying reality that “yes, this action is moral” or “this action is immoral”, apart from whether you or your group is fucked over by consequences and people decide that you and others can’t do XYZ around them anymore or they’ll fuck you up

Might makes right is no excuse to extend the ideology of establishing power in a wasteland indefinitely, or to cling to a wasteland so you may continue practicing your might.

>>12060 "Might makes right" implies the mighty are righteous, or correct. If it is the will of the warlord to maintain a state of desolation, terror and war, then that is righteous, that is correct. That is what this meme phrase you stupid niggers throw around means. This is what it implies. It is completely meaningless with respect to governance and only appeals to your fetish for violence. In such a world, to commit violence is good as it demonstrates your power - your righteousness. In such a world all rulers are necessarily good because they are powerful. It is an absolutely awful meme which legitimizes the rule of anyone and everyone. The ten thousand year old wise sage-king who presided over peace, stability, justice and prosperity is just as good as the murderous tyrant who beheaded him and burned it all down. Though, I suppose the tyrant might have been MORE good since he was significantly more violent and mightier than the previous guy.

>>12294 Your mistake here is thinking that "might makes right" is any sort of moral prescription at all, it's a purely descriptive observation about how the world works.

>>12294 Might doesn't make right. Might IS right.

I'd put my differences aside with many reactionaries as long a they're pro-White, for now at least.

>>12312 >for now at least. Not getting things straight from the get-go ends with bolshevik-tier purges and cleansing inside the ranks before the state itself is fixed.

>>12296 Might isn't even the end of the story. There is also lying and subversion. Unless you consider jews to be mighty. "Might makes right" would be better said as "The winners win" which is just a tautology. But it still has value in giving perspective to enable one to see through the fog effect of distractions like ideology and realize that the achieving the end you want is what truly matters and any strategy that does not in reality achieve those ends must be ultimately discarded.

>>12321 >Unless you consider jews to be mighty Are the Jews not mighty? It doesn't matter how they have achieved it, the fact still stands. Nature is the struggle for existence between individuals, groups, races and species. Those with the best tactics, the most might, the most vigorous individuals and races, will rise to the top, dominate and destroy other competitors. The winners win, the losers lose. There's no moral component to this, though you're wrong if you think that "might makes right" is merely tautological. It also implies that standards, laws, and values are determined by those with power. >But it still has value in giving perspective to enable one to see through the fog effect of distractions like ideology and realize that the achieving the end you want is what truly matters and any strategy that does not in reality achieve those ends must be ultimately discarded. Definitely.

>>12328 I wouldn't define parasites as mighty, since they die when their hosts die, or rather they need their hosts but their hosts don't need them.

>>12333 They exercise might by proxy. We need to look at the concept of might beyond just physical strength. It also works through soft power and subversion. What we must not fall into is the idea that Jews are "superior" for this reason, as the parasite is a degenerate form of life in many ways for reasons such as you have pointed out. A pack of niggers killing Whites is might triumphing, but the individual White in terms of quality will still far exceed the individual nigger in many other ways.

This opinion will certainly be unpopular here, because this board is full of pagans and hindus who have a seething hatred of Christianity, and the few Christians here seem to be Catholics or Orthodox who have a seething hatred of Protestants, but in my opinion,the Puritans were pretty based and almost proto-Fascist. >Hated decadence and degeneracy, did a lot to fight against both >Very passionate and strict about their ideals, there weren't many half-hearted Puritans >Lived austere and humble lifestyles, no need for flashy decadence >Revolutionized military tactics and training (New Model Army) >Critical and suspicious of capitalism without being commies >Liberals are still butthurt about them to this day

>>12368 I don't know about proto-Fascist, but I definitely admire their lifestyles, even if I don't like the religion.

>>12368 >Critical and suspicious of capitalism without being commies This is bullshit they tried being Christian Communists like many of their contemporaries, it failed, so they went free exchange and lo and behold it worked.

>>12508 Hutterites are a successful example of Christian's practicing communism. The only time it can work is when the community is small enough and the bonds are strong enough

>>12508 You're wrong. They had set prices (didn't allow price fluctuations, which are an important part of Jewish "free market" Capitalism), but they had a hierarchical social structure and engaged in import/export trade. Hardly communist, unless you're one of those lolbergs who considers anything short of anarcho capitalism "communism."

1. Trump was always a Boomer cuck who let his own daughter be fucked by a Jew. Him even getting elected shows that he was a tool who served his role (in his case, serving as a container for the rising White Consciousness in the wake of Obongo). He was always a pawn, and him even getting so popular in the pol/aut rite scenes reflects that neither of them are serious. 2. Masturbation is just substances for untermenchen and/or cowards who don't want to risk getting shot/jailed by finding a dealer. >>11944 I bet this one would be fine with letting his son take dicks up his ass and his daughter taken by an Achmed.

>>12028 I bet this one would be proud of a mulatto grandson.

>>12517 You're definitely right about Trump. I think people were a little too willing to overlook the very obvious negatives wrapped up with him such as, like you said, him selling off his own daughter to the kikes, and his connections with Zionists and pedojews like Epstein. Whether he was put forward by ZOG or not for the express purpose of diverting pro-Whites into a state of docility or not (very likely, looking back), the effect is the same and this is why I do not care at all that there's no chance in hell he'll actually get another term. Biden is going to cause more people to radicalize, or if not, the obvious boomers and civnats will increasingly be filtered out. I'm tired of watching the frog boil. Trump was just the Jews momentarily turning down the temperature to lull people into a sense of complicity. >2. Masturbation is just substances for untermenchen and/or cowards who don't want to risk getting shot/jailed by finding a dealer. Kek true

>>12517 >>12521 lmao you guys make it seem like a pro-kike stance is something surprising and special about Trump when in fact it's mandatory to even survive the primaries of whichever party. His overall instability and outspokeness made him still the better candidate from a accelerationist and a pro-White perspective as well. Biden will just revert to (((normal))) and boil the frog slowly to death while siegefags will keep wanking to the thought of the big day which wont ever come.

>>12523 >His overall instability and outspokeness made him still the better candidate from a accelerationist and a pro-White perspective as well. I don't disagree with you there, honestly. The issue is that many people seem to overestimated what Trump would be. What you put forward here is a levelheaded view of Trump for people like us to take. It acknowledges that he served a certain purpose, allowed certain talking-points to enter the mainstream, etc, but he was always a kike-puppet and nothing more. >Biden will just revert to (((normal))) and boil the frog slowly to death while siegefags will keep wanking to the thought of the big day which wont ever come. Only braindead libs will convert back to "normal". Biden's gonna oversee a massive expansion in anti-White policies and the maintenance of these pro-degeneracy policies that will only alienate more and more people. I don't know about you, but I plan to take advantage of this. Redpill people IRL, look into starting or joining a group, always prepare for race war. That's what I plan to do.

>>12523 Go back to cuckpol already. That place like the rest of 4chan went to shit years back (to the point you can find open Commies and Feminists/Male Enablers and other degenerates). >His overall instability and outspokeness made him still the better candidate from a accelerationist and a pro-White perspective as well. Lay off the Q porn and memeing. Trump peddled no politics that wasn't either Boomer tier shit or "Colorblind Conservatism." Trump like the rest of the cucks in the GOP accepts just about all the premises of Boomer Cuck Politics (hence him trying so hard to show he doesn't hate Niggers and letting women speak where they don't belong). He's worked to aid Globohomo's pro spies and saboteurs (CIA).

>>12530 not exactly true, he did make a ban on critical race theory and attacked nyt's 1619 project, establishing the 1776 project or whatever he called it.

>>12533 Honestly, call me extremely cynical, but I can even see a reason why our enemies would would want to do away with such a thing, in that it would make it too obvious that Whites are being singled out for genocide.

>>12517 >who don't want to risk getting shot/jailed by finding a dealer. As in a drug dealer? I'd rather do that then do drugs.

>>12368 >Seething This buzzword needs to go away, all polack buzz words or generally cuckchan words need to begone. But, yes there are Christian and other religions who are admirable for what they've done. >>12508 >This is bullshit they tried being Christian Communists Your identification of communism is similar to a lobert or ancuckistani. They weren't communists in any way or form, as matter of fact I believe the puritans in the 1900s were very anti-commie.

>>12547 >I believe the puritans in the 1900s were very anti-commie. As far as I know, the Puritans weren't really around by the 1900s. However, the 1600s Puritans only put up with the proto-commies of the time until they had the chance to get rid of them. The Levellers (English 1600s proto-communists) fought on the Parliamentarian side of the English Civil War, but Cromwell had a bunch of them shot after he took power.

>>12529 >Biden's gonna oversee a massive expansion in anti-White policies and the maintenance of these pro-degeneracy policies that will only alienate more and more people correct, but I fail to see how that wasn't the normal already before Trump and I doubt a resumption of these policies will alienate people in substantial enough numbers to >>12530 >back to cuck bzzzz >Q porn bzzz >4 was never good bzzzzz >boomer tier BZZZZZ just buzz words, no substance in your post. Stop being bitter and see Trump for that he is. Unwittingly or not, probably not, granted, he's still done more for our cause than any other politician for over a century. >>12547 >all polack buzz words or generally cuckchan words need to begone. God this, it's just like in a nigger rap battle where style trumps content and people claim victory when they sound the most edgy.

>>12551 Degeneracy and anti-White stuff was normal before Trump of course, but even before Trump, people were becoming slowly more aware of the sheer scale of the degeneracy and hatred of Whites. Since 2016 alone the degeneracy has gotten only worse. The more blatant it becomes, the harder it is to ignore, and the easier it is to redpill people on it. Most people aren't necessarily pro-degeneracy, they're just afraid to speak out against it for fear of reprimand.

>>12547 No, all Christians are communists in my view, whenever their ethical mandates from their lord jesus are followed in purest form. For instance, when Christianity originally came about and to power in Rome, several times after Martin Luther fucking had a shitfit because he wasn't good enough to be a priest, Commies come about because of Christianity. It was only later that Marx took the jewish ethical core of Christianity and secularized it. All Christians are communists some in denial, some not. The Puritans from my understanding, used a very communistic system when they first got here and while they became established, it almost killed them, so they loosened it up and took on more Capitalistic ideas, and because Amerioca was so full of natural resources and life and beauty, they became prosperous, and thats when the Crown decided they were still subjects, at least that's what I have heard, and knowing Christians, especially the dissident ones of the 1600's, I can see it's truth.

>>12589 >Shilling Capitalism AND talking shit about Christianity Could you be more Jewish? Also >Christianity >Communist Yeah, that's why Communist regimes have always persecuted Christians, and Christians have led the vast majority of anti-Communist movements throughout history. Makes sense.

>>12591 I in no way, shilled capitalism, and Christianity is literally the source of communism, only christcucks have ever disagreed be3cause their ethical foundations are the same exact set of ethics. https://hojaseliminadas.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/fair-race-15-sep-20.pdf There's an essay in this book by a Ferdinand Bardamu that covers Christianity being the source of communism quite well though I recommend a read of the whole thing.

>>12592 Christianity only "promotes communism" if you completely twist its ideas. I swear, the larpagans here make the exact same arguments that liberals make about Christian beliefs, just from a different perspective. I love how, in your efforts to combat Christianity, pagans always just parrot liberal talking points about what Christians are supposed to believe.

>>12591 >Yeah, that's why Communist regimes have always persecuted Christians, and Christians have led the vast majority of anti-Communist movements throughout history. Makes sense. Christianity was the Bolshevism of the ancient world, leading to the total inversion of European values and a transition into various shades of slave morality that have persisted now from the height of Rome up to the present. All leftist political movements are built on a foundation of Christian-influenced ethics and assumptions, to the extent that if Christianity had not existed in Europe there would be no leftism. Spiritual equality led to the demand for political equality and other forms of egalitarianism, the concept of the Abrahamic God gradually led to the concept of inalienable rights / human rights, and as we know, Abrahamism and slave morality come hand-in-hand. The leftist is the purest form of slave moralist, always siding with the suffering, the downtrodden, the oppressed, etc, and attacking everything high, noble, beautiful, masculine, powerful, etc as "EVIL". This is the clear attitude of the Bible: 1 Corinthians 1:27-29 >But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things--and the things that are not--to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. The foolish preferred, the weak preferred, the lowly preferred, the despised preferred - by "God" no less! Fighting between Christians and Communists is just watch two types of Jew struggle against one another for their interpretation of how to proceed, unfortunately for the Christians, their variety is out of date compared to the new and shiner ways to rouse the masses against anything beautiful, natural and of a higher kind

>>12594 >about what Christians are supposed to believe. You mean what gorillions of Christians actually believe? I'd rather LARP as my ancestors than kneel before a rabbi nailed to a stick

>>12597 >>12597 >Here's a random liberal member of your religion! That proves your religion is bad! Do you really want to play this game? Its honestly the lowest form of religious discourse, but okay.

>>12600 Nice job focusing on a single webm posted to trigger you and completely ignoring any actual criticisms such as in my post here >>12595

>>12537 im cynical about it too. he waited 4 years to do it and to make any positive comments about White people. tbh i think it was that kikes were realizing their own creation was about to be turned on them, so they will be putting the brakes on critical race theory until they can proof it from backfiring on them. >>12597 that webm is disgusting, but it doesnt prove anything about christianity when abrahamism is the MOST ANTI-GAY religion in existence. no other religions say that being gay is an abomination and that they should be put to death. that webm is just ignoring clear teachings of the religion.

>>12600 I love it when they post people who follow christian ethics meaning they are christian and abuse our ancestors religion to do so and think it means anything like what the liberal priest/pastor/reverend does.

>>12607 >ignoring clear teachings of the religion Teaching superseded by the writings of Mark and Paul in any proper interpretation, according to the rules set forth by Mark and Pauyl themselves and the other jews before them

>>12368 Wrong, Puritans are gay retards https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0962629820303668 >>12600 >>12597 Can we stop with the religious spergy? It's annoying as fuck.

>>12655 >Can we stop with the religious spergy? It's annoying as fuck. No, it is of vital importance to the movement, anyone who thinks otherwise is getting the rope.

>>12655 The other poster above me is correct. Religion is something of fundamental importance, as it shapes one's entire view of the world and how they are to act within it. It cannot be ignored. >>12609 This.

>>12607 >abrahamism is the MOST ANTI-GAY religion in existence. no other religions say that being gay is an abomination Homer and socrates both condemn homosexuality as degenerate and unnatural, the Germans shamed and bogged you for either having a same sex relationship or for being too feminine. We have many accounts of both Christian, Jewish and Islamic rulers who had relations with their slaves and fellow men. Not even Christianity or even Islam is safe from homosexuality. This whole bull crap about paganism being gay is a lie to destroy and ensure that Europeans and Whites never become anti-degenerate and go back to their ancestral roots. >>12658 >No, it is of vital importance to the movement, anyone who thinks otherwise is getting the rope What movement?

>>12667 >What movement? You know exactly what he means - the struggle to preserve our people and to liberate our nations from the web of international Jewry. Even if we don't want to talk about religion, it is a factor that we can't ignore due to the influence that it wields in some areas. I think Pierce was 100% right when he said that one of the biggest hurdles that there is for Whites is Christianity. I would add to that slave morality in general, personally, but I'm sure this was implied.