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Japan Thread Blackshirt 07/11/2020 (Sat) 01:30:42 No.3182
This thread is for the discussion of Japanese culture, religion and similar aspects of this nation. Of all the non-White countries of the world, I admire Japan the most for their collectivism, aesthetics and extreme fanaticism in war and selfless dedication to a cause they believe. The ideas of bushido and makoto (sincerity, purity of motive) are all very much worth studying for anyone. Some book suggestions (abbreviated and expanded from >>2998): >Hagakure >The Way of the Samurai (Yukio Mishima - this book is on the Hagakure) >The Nobility of Failure: Tragic Heroes in the History of Japan (Ivan Morris) >Shinto: The Kami Way
>>3182 Japan's current successes in handling COVID are only possible in an ethnostate (or close to one). Americans don't care about their neighbors when their neighbors burn down stores that don't donate to BLM. I think the Japanese should be proud of what they accomplished and the rest of us should look at what they have done right/wrong as an example for the future.
>>3198 I'm definitely envious of their type of high-trust society. Even though Japan post-WWII is a shell of its former self, it's still on an order of magnitude higher than almost any Western society I can think of, in which the decay is far, far more advanced and far-reaching. We have no true communities, no trust in our governments, hardly any authentic culture (more so in America). It seems like in high-trust Asian societies in general that things are better off.
Shinto: Nature, Gods, and Man in Japan (1977) https://youtube.com/watch?v=5PsNjG5CTgU
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>>3204 That was a very interesting documentary, thanks for posting anon. Compared to the Abrahamic conceptions of sin and evil, it is quite the breath of fresh air to hear in the first few minutes how they merely associate such ideas with a much more natural and healthy idea of impurity and a rupture with natural harmony / the Natural Order. That's not all too different from what I believe more or less. A healthy natural expression of the Japanese people. Older documentaries are so comfy. No unnecessary music to manipulate you beyond what is needed, and narrators who are strictly factual and do not attempt to shove their views down your throat.
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In response to an anon in the A E S T H E T I C S thread who was curious about some more book recommendations concerning Japan (>>3227). Mostly religion stuff since that's what I'm into. >Shintō and the State, 1868-1988 (Helen Hardacre) This book deals with the relationship between Shinto and the state from the start of the Meiji Restoration until the late 1980s. With the Restoration Shinto was separated from Buddhism and Shinto was made the spiritual basis for government and society and shrines were placed under administrative control. Of course (((America))) dismantled this >Kurozumikyō and the New Religions of Japan (Helen Hardacre) This book is primarily on the new religion of Kurozumikyō, a religion which gradually split off from Shinto around 1814. The founder Kurozumi Munetada had at one point an experience of absolute unity with the one god universe, Amaterasu Ōmikami, who creator of the universe and parent of all living things. Each separate life is a microcosm of the vital source which is Amaterasu Ōmikami. Sickness, misfortune and the like are a result of disharmony with the integral whole of the universe. It's somewhat henotheistic since the other kami seem to exist but the dedication is to this one supreme source. Somewhat interesting, bought it on a whim. >Religious Violence in Contemporary Japan: The Case of Aum Shinrikyō (Ian Reader) I liked this book a lot. It covers the history of Aum and the Aum Affair from its small beginnings to their terrorist attacks on the subways in 1995. Beyond that though it discusses the ideas that potentially made Aum so deadly, such as the influences of Nostradamus, its change from from Mahayana Buddhism into a more elitist and hierarchical path of esoteric Buddhism (Vajrayana) and how Asahara thought he was a manifestation of Shiva. The most interesting part though was when it drew on some of the interviews of people who joined Aum. Many of them had the same reasons for "leaving the world" and joining its communes, mainly because they found that the materialistic and meaningless salaryman life of Japan at the time could offer them nothing, and that spiritual growth could benefit them more. >Otaku: Japan's Database Animals (Hiroki Azuma) This book is a critique of anime and otaku, dealing especially with postmodernism. Haven't really read much of this yet so I can't give any detailed overview
>>3235 There is a theory that Minamoto no Yoshitsune actually didn't commit seppuku and escaped to Hokkaido, went to Sakhalin and eventually reached Mongolia, where he started a new career as Genghis Khan. Both men were renowned horsemen and skilled warriors. The theory comes from the fact that his name 源義経 can be read also be read as "Gengikei". It's a nice theory but I think there is more evidence that Genghis Khan was unironically a White man. We wuz khans
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>>3236 Interesting. Thanks for mentioning them. I am personally also very interested in Shinto, it's a truly unique religion. Have you ever read Japan's Holy War by Walter Skya? It's a more recent book on the topic of State-Shintoism and deals with the theoretic developments within Japanese nationalism, which went from a more secular, western-styled nationalism in the late Meji era to a hardcore theocratic movement, compared to Islamic Fundamentalism in the book, in the Taisho and Showa era. Every chapter kind of goes through the various important thinkers who were responsible for these developments, like Kitta Ikki, Shinkichi Uesugi and Bin Akao.
>>3238 >Interesting. Thanks for mentioning them. No problem, I always enjoy giving and receiving book recommendations. I had not heard of that book that you mentioned in your post, but this seems like something that I will have to pick up or find a PDF of here very soon. Looking through a preview of it seems right up my alley, especially with how it seems to focus on different people one-by-one. I've heard of Kita Ikki but not many of these other figures unfortunately. Thanks for the rec, anon. A lot of my focus on Japan is to try to discover principles and ideas that can benefit our own people in the West. While it is impossible to get anything like an Emperor in our countries and have genuine reverence for them, I find myself inspired by aspects of Shinto and the idea of setting a spiritual basis for government. An essentially spiritual attitude is what will be needed in the government of the future, not one of people who are merely liars with charisma.
>>3239 What manner of spirituality do you mean? Specifically aspects of a Shinto belief system?
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>>3242 No, Shinto could never be uprooted from the soil of Japan and artificially grafted onto the West. It's too embedded within its context through rituals and traditions, it's more of something lived and participated in than consciously adhered to from what I understand, something that organically developed over the millennia unique to the Japanese people -- and this is all a positive thing in my mind, of course. While Shinto is essentially a racial faith, people of all races can express to the spirits of the land, to their ancestors, to their traditions and link to the past. In this sense one can understand the spirit of Shinto even if they are not Japanese. If anything is a viable foundation for a truly new religious conception of life it would have to be, I think, based on the concept of the Natural Order, living in harmony with said order, some sort of pantheistic conception of divinity that recognizes that divinity is not some distant and wholly other Abrahamic entity, but something pervading the universe. I kind of touch on this in the first paragraph of >>3208. Of course I'm fairly vague in all I say here because I don't want to sound like a LARPer or that I am not aware of the difficulties that came along with such ideas.
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>>3242 >>3245 I have always felt like Europe would have developed very similarly to Japan in terms of spirituality had it not been converted to Christianity and retained its native Pagan faiths. And many Pagan figures on the right do seem to take inspiration from Shinto on how they should preceive their own religion. There is a segment in Japan's Holy War where one of these far-right theoreticians (I think it was Shinkichi Uesugi) describes how all people at some point in history had their own native faith and god-emperor but that these faiths had been destroyed by universal religions such as Christianity and Buddhism and that Japan was the only nation which had retained their ancestral religion.
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>>3270 >I have always felt like Europe would have developed very similarly to Japan in terms of spirituality had it not been converted to Christianity and retained its native Pagan faiths I am of the same view here. I think for similar reasons there is a great interest in certain types of Hinduism, especially because in the case of India there is very good evidence that Aryans ruled great portions of the Indian subcontinent for centuries. The Völkisch view of life is naturally attuned to such beliefs and traditions, it seems to me. Especially in the case of Shinto the link between religion, blood and soil seems particularly strong. On what Shinkichi Uesugi said, I think it is fairly plausible. For example in texts like the Laws of Manu we see clearly that the king is identified with a god and a mediator between divine and man, and serves as an all-important figure in upholding the Natural Order / Dharma. We see stuff like this all around the world. On the topic of Buddhism, does that Holy War book say anything about far-right opposition to Buddhism? I wasn't aware of this at first but with State Shinto the government seems to have taken steps to clearly distinguish Buddhism from Shinto, lost much of its prestige and lost many of its assets and land. Similarly when I was reading Mishima's Runaway Horses it stuck out to me that when the character Isao was attending sessions with a Shinto mentor named, this man is depicted as attacking Buddhism as a form of nihilism which denied life, destroyed all manliness and was seen as a philosophy of evil in contrast to the life-affirming Shinto. It reminded me of how people here bash on Christcucks lol. Similarly through out Mishima's tetralogy it's pretty clear to me that the passive and increasingly pathetic character of Honda is shown as studying Buddhism intensely for similar reasons, especially the view of Yuishiki, 'mind-only' where
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>>3279 >does that Holy War book say anything about far-right opposition to Buddhism? Yes, it was often grouped into the same category as both Christianity and Humanism, as universal ideologies that went against the Japanese spirit. Of course, Buddhism did far less damage to Japanese culture and spirituality when compared to what Chrisitanity did in Europe since it's not the type of religion that revolves around destroying the supposed 'false gods' of other faiths. That is why it was able to intermingle with Shinto so well over the centuries to the point that there had to be an entire movement to distinguish the two from one another.
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>>3281 Yeah, while Buddhism might be potentially harmful in the way that is described in the post you're replying to, it's definitely much different in character from the threat that Christianity could and at times did play. Recently I read this in a paper: >These pre-existing religious duties and obligations have made it extremely difficult for most Japanese to make a personal commitment to Christianity. When such a commitment has been made, the consequences have often been disruptive. The history of Christianity in Japan abounds with stories of individuals being cut off from their families or isolated in their communities (mura hachibu 村八分) because of their newfound faith and consequent refusal to participate in household ancestor rites or community festivals. It has not been uncommon for zealous new Christians, following the instructions of their missionary teachers, to burn their family Buddhist altars (butsudan 仏壇), ancestral tablets (ihai 位牌), and Shinto god shelves (kamidana 神棚)-understandably creating innumerable family conflicts. One can read similar things in the behavior of Christians in the Roman Empire with their refusal to participate in community rituals and duties. The main problem is that Abrahamic religions operate in a totalitarian manner, monopolizing spirituality and the divine, traditionally crushing everything that isn't itself. You just can't negotiate with them. It's no surprise that the Tokugawa shogunate BTFO Christianity and drove them underground for centuries
>>3292 Link to the paper I quoted: http://www.jstor.com/stable/30233528
>>3292 correct. Buddhism is a universal religion, but it's Dharmic, not Abrahamic, so there's a fundamental difference in character. Abrahamic religions are like a virus that want to sero-convert every living thing to support its form of life. this is unlike Dharmic religions, even those that make universal claims as Buddhism does, which are willing and able to accommodate other traditions. the Edo Period suppression of Christianity is one of the few historical victories against Abrahamism. the Shogunate regarded the religion as a subversive fifth column which threatened social stability and cohesion. they were entirely correct, of course. they used various means to get it under control, such as requiring households to register at Buddhist temples, and testing suspected converts with fumi-e (stepping image). these were typically metal plates depicting Jesus on the cross or the Madonna, and the person would have to tread their foot on it, and say they don't believe it. anyone who refused was outed as a Christian, after which they were either persuaded to recant or were killed. naturally, Christianity survived underground, since complete extirpation was not feasible, but it was prevented from subverting and assimilating the Japanese. to this day, Christianity has little influence in Japan despite legalization.
>>3318 Despite legalization and US sponsored Christian missions, but even with the presence in Japan of over 5200 missionaries (one of the world's largest concentrations), less than 1% of the population is Christian, and despite all this missionary work, the percentage is only dropping.
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>>3318 >>3319 Realizing the Dharmic versus Abrahamic dichotomy is essential, I think. It's good that a lot of people here are aware of stuff like this. There might be problems in Buddhism and other Dharmic religions but it's clear that they're not outwardly subversive in the same way that Christianity and its sisters are. I do wonder though how Japan was able to crush Christianity in the cradle (for all intents and purposes, since like the one anon said, Kirishitan were driven underground deeply) while Rome was not. But even beyond that like the other anon said, they seem to naturally not feel drawn to it.
>>3333 >I do wonder though how Japan was able to crush Christianity in the cradle (for all intents and purposes, since like the one anon said, Kirishitan were driven underground deeply) while Rome was not. One because Japan was a very isolated country when Christiantiy appeared and the japanese already disliked anything of foreign nature. The Roman Empire was already dabbling in Semetic religion before Christianity became a major religion, like with the Isis cult, they were not protective enough of their own native traditions in a desperate attempt to assimilate as many conquered peoples as possible, which seems a bit similar to the attitude of the modern secular west. Secondly, the Roman Empire had a large Semitic population, which naturally would have felt sympathetic to a religion of Semitic nature. In its early days, Christianity only really spread throughout Anatolia and the Levant and barely had any presence in the European part of the Empire. Japan on the other hand was homogenous so of course most people would have had a similar mindset towards religion.
>>3333 (check'd) Eradicating obscure sects, and that's what Christianity was initially, was just not the normal way Rome dealt with cultural issues. In a sense one can describe them as pretty liberal actually, their own gods were basically Greek and whatever foreign deity they encountered it was given a place in Rome's own pantheon. Call it hybris and a warning to us if you like but Romans believed in their cosmic duty, their mission to bring civilisation and thought eventually all would fall into its place (as it did in most cases actually). If someone rose up against them he was taught a brutal lesson, the druids of the British isles were all but wiped out, the jews hammered into submission for generations but I don't think the Romans saw a pressing need to purge Christianity until it was too late. They arrogantly thought it was weak and its adherents no match for the empire. They had seen thousands of silly faiths or prophets come and go, so why should it be different with Christians.
>>3344 I didn't think of that, but you're right. To a group of people already slightly acclimated to kikery it's easier to gradually slip in more and more under their nose (just look at the last two thousand years of Western civilization more or less, culminating in today), but I can only imagine when a group of people such as the Japanese with no history of contact with anything like Jews first become exposed to the full brunt of Abrahamism that they are repelled instinctively. While people like Diocletian made some major moves to repress this it was either too little or the rot had set in too far at this post in time.
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Reminder that trannime is post-American Occupation zionist-funded faggot/cuckold propaganda and not representative of the true Japanese spirit.
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>>3438 I'd be interested if other anons here have had similar experiences, but for me, once I started to actually learn about the history of Japan, its traditions, culture, religion, struggles and the like, the nature of anime became clearer and clearer to me. Anime is fodder for the empty lives of hikikomori and salarymen alike. It's frivolous, cutesy, escapist and a product of a Japan that is a shadow of its self.
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>>3476 I think there's a few anime out there that can be said to have genuine artistic appeal like the works of Studio Ghibli, Neon Genesis Evangelion and Serial Experiments Lain. But yes, as I came to learn more about traditional Japanese culture, most of modern Japanese media became less and less appealing to me. Which is ironic because I think for the majority of people in the west, anime serves as a sort of gateway to becoming interested in other aspects of Japanese culture.
>>3494 It sounds like you're similar to me in this respect. There are anime that I've seen that I genuinely enjoyed and which still make me a bit nostalgic to think about, but like you and many others, falling down the anime rabbit-hole led me to get interested in Japan, and as I became more and more redpilled, this Asian Axis power naturally began to interest me more and more as well.
Kusunoki Masashige – is there anyone more based? >literal samurai >was summoned by the emperor after he had a dream under a camphor tree (kusunoki) about the warrior who would fight for him >held off massive shogunate armies with small amounts of men on mountain-top castles with all sorts of trickery and even faking his death >was loyal to the emperor to the point of following his final order even when he knew it would be disasterous for him >committed seppuku only when all was lost, exclaiming “seven lives for the emperor” (also the last words for Otoya Yamaguchi) >was the subject of a song banned by (((American))) Occupation after 1945 describing the parting of him and his son for the last time https://youtu.be/U8yjnEu0QJY
So I was doing some casual reading on Darwinism and the idea of orthogenesis when I accidentally came across a super interesting figure named Oka Asajirō. Surprisingly he doesn't seem to be mentioned in 'Japan's Holy War', but given the fact that he was a German-trained zoologist and proponent of Darwinism in Japan in Meiji times, this is perhaps understandable. I've read about half of the paper so far (it's 40 pages long) and basically for Oka the human struggle for existence is said to occur not so much on the individual level, but on the level of the ethnic nation (民族, minzoku). According to his theories which drew on biological and organicist theories of the state, the nation-state is to be conceived of as a biological entity, a type of super-organism engaged in struggle against alien ethnic nations. The nation-state is a sort of instinctual superoganism based on shared racial heritage. The members are morphologically distinct yet physiologically bound with their colony. The lesser ego is subsumed to the greater ego of the racial collective. He based these claims on Haeckel's hierarchy of organic individuality, consisting of plastids, organs, antimeres, metameres, persons (i.e. individuals in the usual sense) and corms (colonies). Since struggle takes place at the level of ethnic nations, engendering, enhancing and preserving altruism and social instincts among individuals is very important, and he saw that egoistic individualism and social antagonism was degenerate, justifying a technocratic state, eugenics and similar measures to ensure racial hygiene. Everyone should check this out if they get the time. I already have an organicist conception of the groups and consider myself a sort of metaphysical evolutionist, but some of this might be a game-changer for me if I look into it more. http://www.jstor.com/stable/41488416
>>3802 I've found that you can apply the view of things as organisms to any system or abstract concept to explain some parts of their nature. Too often memes, systems, institutions and such are just viewed as a tool for a goal, but they also experience the struggle of life and death and are subjected by evolutionary pressure. Creating a system is not just creating a means to an end but a beast we may or may not be able to control. With this consideration, it is no surprise things like political parties become self serving instead of being representatives of a democratic system as they were meant to be. One tends to view these things broken for their negative results on our life, when they are anything but broken in terms of their survival. Evolution is about fitting into the environment, so how much does trying to fix a system matter when the environment stays the same? Changing the environment to apply the right pressure becomes the best way to control these things in the long term. The environment for social systems is mainly the people themselves and their nature depends largely on genetics. Social systems themselves influence genetics which creates a cycle. To create the ideal nation means creating one that creates the right feedback loop, one strives to create the best people.
>>4053 >>4054 >unironically doomerposting >defending anime You're not a fascist. >>4051 >but they also experience the struggle of life and death and are subjected by evolutionary pressure. Creating a system is not just creating a means to an end but a beast we may or may not be able to control. This sounds very similar to what Kaczynski was saying in his Anti-Tech Revolution Why And How
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>>3802 (samefagging) So it turns out there is an entire book on this guy. I've just ordered it so it will be a while before I read it all the way through, but from the beginning, it talks about the two approaches to fixing the instability and degeneracy that was caused by the beginning of modernity in Japan - one being the Shinto Ultranationalist approach discussed already a bit ITT, the second being the scientific, technocratic approach of people like Oka. A lot of the book talks about evolutionary theories both Darwinian and non-Darwinian, the writings of Oka on evolution, racial collectives, organicism and the like.
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Does anyone know where I can find the movie "Mishima: The Last Debate" with eng subs?
>>4117 Unfortunately I don't think it exists. It's a shame that anime movies in theaters get screen-rips nearly instantly and subtitles soon after that but I'm not aware of anything like that for this movie. The reviews I've read make it sound very interesting: https://japan-forward.com/film-review-toyoshima-keisukes-mishima-the-last-debate/ I hope we get it subbed one day.
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I just found a PDF of a book published on Japan by the Zentralverlag der NSDAP on the website of the National Socialist Japanese Workers' Party. I have not read it yet but it might give some good insights. Author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrecht_von_Urach
Another good book on Japan, specifically some of the suicide tactics devised during the war – the Kaiten (回天) / manned torpedo. The Japanese man on the book’s cover was himself a volunteer to man one of these devices. Throughout the book we learn about the celebrations that took place as these left port with their mother subs, the people left behind chanting the pilots names as the suicide pilots, hachimaki around their head, bow from the open hatch, how the pilot and members of the mother submarine crew shared saké together before the launch of the Kaiten and all sorts of interesting details that really shed some light on these men. http://www.kamikazeimages.net/books/personal/yokota/index.htm At this point I do not think that they were crazy or brainwashed, more that they were heroes. I couldn’t help but be amazed when reading the accounts in Morris’ Nobility of Failure when pilots are taxiing along the runway, all smiles as they thank their commanders one by one for choosing them for this one-way mission. Stuff like this and the mass suicides at Saipan are just alien to me, but far more admirable than most of the subhumans today who don’t even have something they feel worth sacrificing themselves for.
>>3319 making Edgyptians happy Extremely good news then. >>3333 >There might be problems in Buddhism and other Dharmic religions but it's clear that they're not outwardly subversive in the same way that Christianity and its sisters are. It depends. Dharmic definitely has problems, even logical ones, but you can argue that it's a more honest path to literally walk out of existence, because this is exactly what you're looking for, not sugar coating it. However, to say it's better is not a given at all because the problems it contains pave the way to greater disasters. It would be most easy to argue that without the softened Dharmic doctrines, there would have not been Christianity. >>3344 2dubs of style >One because Japan was a very isolated country when Christiantiy appeared and the japanese already disliked anything of foreign nature. There is indeed a lot to that. Before the Christening of America, this Semitic cult had one road towards the extreme east, it was through India and China and these places have been preserved too. The other likely reason being that Jews going north and west found its roots in this suck-hate relationship they have with Whites: loathed but also the best prey for parasites. Also, note that a lot of Japanese have the beady eyes and Jewish round and dripping nose. >Christianity only really spread throughout Anatolia and the Levant and barely had any presence in the European part of the Empire. In times when these areas were considerably Whiter too. It took a little nudge for Jews to find their way into Europe, divided and certainly not prepared for the aggressive infiltration of the Jew. The last thing they want is an antisemtic, racially conscious aryan empire.
>>5456 >it was through India and China and these places have been preserved too Nowadays, Christianity seems to be growing very quickly in these places though, especially China.
>>3347 >They arrogantly thought it was weak and its adherents no match for the empire. They had seen thousands of silly faiths or prophets come and go, so why should it be different with Christians. There already was a sort of Frankfurt School back then, and decade after decade, Jews grabbed more power, changed the Roman culture and, when needed, used their hoarded gold to pay subversive agents to pressure the leaders through the plebe. Despite countless but isolated patrician efforts, most noble and wealthy Romans were also greatly encouraged to possess slaves of a different racial stock, unsurprisingly brought from outside of Europe. Jews use races to divide a nation from within. They did it again the immediate years following WWII, when many nations needed to replenish their population numbers and considered importing European migrants, yet Jews pushed for more mud people. >>3494 It's a huge industry that, unsurprisingly, must produce a lot of content to survive. There definitely is good content, but it appears to date back to the 80-90s era and early new decade. Not all anime manages to push to screen the manga production either, which for all sorts of reasons may contain unnoticed gems too. Besides, despite all attempts at resistance and because of the Western market pressure, the animes are bound to be more and more pozzed.
>>5458 The thing is that Christianity is what makes a shitskin less barbaric. Then what?
>>5456 >note that a lot of Japanese have the beady eyes and Jewish round and dripping nose. So Japs are kikes? What are you trying to say anon?
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>>5458 At least in China there is a very good chance that the government will crack down on the Christians if they start to get too powerful, just like the Muslims out there in Xinjiang. I am usually highly critical of China but I can applaud them here.
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>>5456 >Also, note that a lot of Japanese have the beady eyes and Jewish round and dripping nose. I wouldn't say 'a lot'. It's mainly a thing among the elite (the former aristocracy and samurai class). I suppose it's because they have more Ainu blood and less mainland Asian blood (Chinese & Korean migrants most likely intermixed with the lower classes) than other Japanese thus they have retained the Caucasian features of the natives.
>>3182 thinly veiled weeb thread?
>>5984 t. doesn't know where weeaboo comes from
>>5456 >Also, note that a lot of Japanese have the beady eyes and Jewish round and dripping nose. No they don't if anything Japanese have Caucasian like features but being mostly Mongoloid. Especially the samurai who looked more like Europeans than Middle Eastern niggers.
>>5482 Tbh, how are the muslims in China a threat to china? I mean they just need to pass laws to restirct/ban islam and that's it. They don't have to go as far as putting them in camps and torture them but I'll just stop the moralfaggorty there.
>>3238 >Interesting. Thanks for mentioning them. I am personally also very interested in Shinto, it's a truly unique religion. White given FYI, hence its superiority to other shit and above to pisstianity
--im sikritlee jearous of nihon--
>>>5988 Muslims are always a threat. In the case of the Muslims in Xinjiang, we know a few things, mainly there are separatists tendencies among some Uyghurs that have led to nearly a thousand deaths in the period between 2007 and 2014, not to mention the growing influence of radical Islam within that province and around the world. Here too there have been terrorist attacks. The only sensible option is camps. I wouldn't believe everything the Jews say is going on there. Wouldn't say it's paradise to be a Mudslime in an internment camp, but like it or not they are the only country on the planet basically actively attempting to control their Muslim population. >>5992 Same tbh.
>>6003 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
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>>6005 >NOT MUH POOR HECKIN MUSLIMINOS How does it feel to have the same geopolitical views as America and the European Union? You know for a fact you would do the exact same thing in their shoes. 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 NOT MUH TIBETINO 六四天安門事件 MY HECKING CIA STUDENTERINOS 天安門大屠殺 NOO MY PRECIOUS COUP USEFUL IDIOTINOS 反右派鬥爭 NOT MY RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADINOS 大躍進政策 MY CHINESE PUPPERINOS 文化大革命 STOP BEING PROLETIRINOS 人權 MUH HUMAN RIGHTINOS CIARINOS 民運 DEMOCRATINOS 自由 FREEDOMINOS 獨立 INDEPENDINOS 多黨制 MULTI PARTINOOO NOOO 台灣 臺灣 TAIWANINOS 中華民國 REPUBLICERINO CHININO 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 TIBETINO 達賴喇嘛 DALAI LAMAMINOO 法輪功 NOT MUH SWASTIKA SECTERINOS 新疆維吾爾自治區 MYY HECKING MUSLIMINOS NOOO 諾貝爾和平獎 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE OBAMA 劉暁波 HO LEE FOOK 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 WINNIE MAN BAD PRAISE ORANGE MAN OK 劉曉波动态网自由门
>>6007 10 RMB have been deposited to your account.
>>6007 Absolutely cancerous Chink. Hope you get washed out with the rest of China once the Three Gorges Dam collapses.
>>6009 >>6011 Whats wrong with taking muslim chinese citizens and putting them in camps until they denounce their faith, eat pork, drink alcohol, and learn about how to be a proper chink? Am i missing something?
>>6013 >Am i missing something? Absolutely nothing. I don't know why people are under the impression that we would be doing anything different as a people.
>>6013 I don't care if they kill the mudslimes in the center of China, but killing and occupying Tibet and the ugyhurs is what I'm against. China is transforming into a libshit country, stop being a chink guzzling faggot the fact there are actual retards /fascist/ thinks china is le redpilled is further proof fascism is being invaded by low iq shitskins.
>>6023 Why should we give a shit what shitskins do to other shitskins? This isn't somewhere like South Africa or Rhodesia we're talking about, where Whites are or were in grave danger of complete genocide by non-Whites.
>>6023 honestly this is what we should do with White muslims like eastern europeans and caucasians. reeducate them. their genes are fine, theyre poisoned by that shit demonic religion.
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>>5985 lol
>>6035 Of course, hunting dogs have been a part of most of civilized world and certainly deserve respect and admiration but without the agriculture in japan, the samurai would have never come to power, correct? I don't entirely have as great as an understanding of Japanese history as other anons do but I always thought what gave samurai their power in addition to their military strength was the rice they controlled.
>>6043 im pretty sure they started out as tax collectors
>>6044 Didn’t they arise out of various warrior bands that the noblemen used to settle various land disputes and to keep order in the provinces and capital during the Kamakura period? I guess that could include tax-collecting to an extent
>>6024 Except Ugyhurs are not shitskins some of them are either mostly White or half and still respect their European heritage and culture. Look anon I agree with you on shitskins I couldn't give a fuck about Palestine or any other mudlsimes extermination, but I still think those who are close to Europeans and respect their ancestors should be spared and reeducated. Of course I still think we should put Whites first, but there are still races and people I think deserved to be spared.
>>6096 The former inhabitants of Western-China were White so it is quite possible that Ughyurs at least partially descend from them. I was recently watching this old Japanese documentary series called 'The Silk Road' where they interact with a lot of them, I'd say half of them looked like regular East-Asians while others looked quite White/European. https://youtube.com/watch?v=OB8eeVd7R_M
>>6099 >>6096 Related images.
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>>6096 Related images. (Palestine has more than one race the jews abuse. Palestine is mixed)
>>6109 Perhaps White Palestinians are renmants of the crusader kingdoms since the European feudal lords that ruled over them brought along European farmers. It could be that these Europeans converted to Islam and integrated into the local culture after the region was re-conquered by Muslims.
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>>3657 Saigo Takamori was based as well >a leader in the overthrow of the Tokugawa Shogunate >studied Wang Yangming's philosophy of action >lived a frugal and traditionalist lifestyle even as part of the Meiji government, which was full of officials embracing luxury and Western ways >later rebelled against the Meiji government with other disaffected samurai in the Satsuma Rebellion >committed seppuku, and then the survivors of his band charged into gunfire and let themselves be mowed down >literally known as the last true samurai
>>6114 Actually alot of them are Christian. I believe the current statistic is about 15-20% of Palestine are Christian. Jews indiscriminately kill Palestinians and most don't care because "it's just a bunch of arab muslims" according to the media, but many of the people they abuse aren't just arab muslims, but I think western civilization would start looking at Israel alot more critically if they knew more about the people Israel abuses out in the open.
>>6115 He looks Eurasian as fuck >>6117 The west and goatfuckers don't give two shits about White or Christian Palestinians. If anything their "criticisms" are fake as fuck considering most EU countries along with the USA and the left wing parties who proclaim to hate Israel refuse to criticize the Israelis' control over America and other western nations.
>>6121 >He looks Eurasian as fuck He really does. Apparently his father was over six feet tall and he himself was just under six feet. Meanwhile the average height in Japan today is 5'7'. Literal Ubermensch
>>6031 >>6096 >>6099 >>6109 >>6114 >>6117 >>6121 I'm pretty sure any race under zog needs to awaken, regardless of their religion. Mudslims are fine in countries like Singapore because they learned to tolerate the other races. They do still act like assholes when they're together. Idk it's just that I've seen Malays don't give a shit about islam.
>>6123 Well some scientist claim that Japan's samurais were mostly descendants of the Jomon or the Ainu people who are said to have 14% West Eurasian DNA back in the prehistoric days. He really has that European look going for him which probably could even confuse the Spain, Netherlands or even GB to identify him as European or half. I wonder if there were others who looked liked him or more Europoid looking samurais or other Nippons that they brought some confusion to the Europeans and Japanese in terms of appearances.
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>>6129 Interestingly another guy from the same area (in Southern Japan) as Saigo looks sort of phenotypically Eurasian as well. His name was Ōkubo Toshimichi, another prominent figure in the Meiji Restoration. In the second pic on the far right with the Iwakura Mission you can see him again
>>6117 >I think western civilization would start looking at Israel alot more critically if they knew more about the people Israel abuses out in the open. Most modern Christians seem to favour Jews over their fellow Christians so I highly doubt that. They did not care about the Christians being massacred in Iraq and Syria either. Or their fellow White Christians in South-Africa. That lack of tribalism that Muslims and Jews do have is a major reason for why Christianity is dying out in the West. >>6129 >I wonder if there were others who looked liked him or more Europoid looking samurais or other Nippons that they brought some confusion to the Europeans and Japanese in terms of appearances Akiyama Yoshifuru is probably the best example. He was not of noble descent but served an important position in the Imperial Army. His Wikipedia page even has a segment on his appearance: "Akiyama had very pale skin and large eyes (for a person of Japanese descent in that era). He was often mistaken for a European student by many foreign instructors such as Jakob Meckel while at the Japanese Army Academy, and developed a reputation as a “ladies' man,” much to the envy of his colleagues during his stay in France, whereas he himself disliked his attractive looks." Also, for a modern example: Akihiro Nagashima, I could not find many photos of him but he is a former football player and is full-blood Japanese yet could easily be confused for being Iberian.
>>6108 It is interesting how much Whiter the ancient world appeared to be. It must have been a very interesting place, with Whites living from Ireland in the West out through Anatolia, Iran, Northern India, Xinjiang, and out into Eastern China
>>6117 >Jews indiscriminately kill Palestinians and most don't care because "it's just a bunch of arab muslims" according to the media, but many of the people they abuse aren't just arab muslims, but I think western civilization would start looking at Israel alot more critically if they knew more about the people Israel abuses out in the open Which, with much irony, is exactly what a few conservatives but above all larger number of radical leftists and even scores of antifas do, being extremely concerned by the Palestinians' plight. >>6125 >Mudslims are fine in countries like Singapore because they learned to tolerate the other races. And is that preferable? That they ignore the fundamentals of their non-tolerant religion? Does not that make them traitors? At the very least it would have them tolerate their neighbors but think they are wrong in their beliefs and more likely spiritual scumbags. There is a considerable hypocrisy at play. At least so-called radical slimes are honest. Jews and Muslims need the same tool, the same solution: containment.
>>6163 >He was often mistaken for a European student by many foreign instructors such as Jakob Meckel while at the Japanese Army Academy, and developed a reputation as a “ladies' man,” much to the envy of his colleagues during his stay in France, whereas he himself disliked his attractive looks." A hapa who dislikes himself? I can't help but think Kalergi had the same mental issue, which led him to hate other pure races so much that he pleaded for their complete mixing. >Also, for a modern example: Akihiro Nagashima, I could not find many photos of him but he is a former football player and is full-blood Japanese yet could easily be confused for being Iberian. If based on the football picture, he'd pass as some kind of chicano or passable Peruvian with honorable facial features. But with the Whiter skin hue (suit and tie picture), he would come close to an Iberian. >>6167 Depends if you count places were Whites lived as the top caste or literally lived as a separate and large assembly of tribes.
>>6170 >Depends if you count places were Whites lived as the top caste or literally lived as a separate and large assembly of tribes. That's true. In India especially it's hard to tell exactly how White it was. I know it wasn't that White, but it was significant: >20%-30% of Indian mtDNA haplotypes belong to West Eurasian haplogroups, and the frequency of these haplotypes is proportional to caste rank, the highest frequency of West Eurasian haplotypes being found in the upper castes. In contrast, for paternally inherited Y-chromosome variation each caste is more similar to Europeans than to Asians. Moreover, the affinity to Europeans is proportionate to caste rank, the upper castes being most similar to Europeans, particularly East Europeans https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11381027/ Unfortunately we'll never know much about ancient White history of this time since evidence is very fragmentary. Hopefully once the Jews are dealt with, the true can be investigated without fear.
>>6174 So far we have some of the reddit atheists who still believe in the Out Of Africa lie and kikes such as David Reich from (((Harvard))) who are involved with collecting ancient DNA of ancient civilizations.
>>6129 >>6134 >>6163 What I find strange here is that there has been no mention of historical figures or certain groups who may or not have had blue eyes and light hair. I think there was said to be one samurai who was fulled blooded from the Sengoku era to have had blue eyes, but any other search for blue eye samurai often leads to that Englishmen.
>>6163 >They did not care about the Christians being massacred in Iraq and Syria either. according to media, even "right wing" media, as well as most christians, those were entirely islamic countries with no christians. >White Christians in South-Africa. literally fake news. there is no genocide :^) Youre reall underestimating just how much disinfo the media gives to people, and how much they trust it. Most big time history buffs with a huge interest in current events and politics couldnt even tell me why we're in syria. most of them start with "i think" and go into "something about isil...." >>6169 >the Palestinians' plight the left only cares about the non White muslims there, while the right dismisses them all as non-White muslims and they will continue to do so unless told otherwise. most people i explain this to grow immediately concerned, but then do the classic demoralization reset where 1 viewing of jewish media resets them back to "palestinians are all muslim arabs" until you remind them again. Its like successfully arguing against a leftist only to have snopes debunk whatever they learned by simply stating "its been debunked". such is life in burgerland.
>>6198 >literally fake news. there is no genocide :^) The country has literally been taken over by niggers and has continuously been chipping away at Whites since Apartheid ended. Crime is soaring, farmers are attacked by rabid niggers, and Communists wants to seize all of their property (see Malema and the EFF). Even peaceful and prosperous communities like Orania are hated by the blacks there and tacitly threatened constantly. The same anti-White party in the local area was threatening to revoke its autonomous status if elected. Whites are far worse off in SA. If they're not being genocided, no one is.
>>6109 >>6198 What is your definition of White just excatly? These "Whites" likely have Jewish blood in them and they are a very small minority of the Palestine. A couple of pictures of Whites supposed Whites doesn't mean anything. The vast majority of the inhabitants are closer to Jews and Arabs are closer than any European. Why should I care about them? Unless some DNA test confirms they are genetically European and not Jewish.
>>6202 Most WNs understand Palestinians because they're going through what the White race is going through.
>>6212 But Palestinians don't feel the same way about Whites, so why should I care about them? It's pointless especially considering (((Palestinians))) side with leftists and genetically the same as Israelis. This whole we need to care about other races shit and stand with them is pointless and serves no purpose. If anything I think the entire Middle East should be nuked and recolonized.
>>6218 That’s basically my view on them as well. They don’t help Whites and don’t seem to care for Whites, so why should we care for them? I have nothing but contempt for Jews and Palestinians alike.
>>6199 yes, but according to the news that these people use to form their opinions says its not happening. so to them, its not. >>6202 Irrelevent. Read the post i was replying to for context of why i provided that information. It is not good to dismiss enemies of the jews as enemies of yourself based on what jews told you about their nation. repeating that palestine is just a bunch of muslim arabs just spreads more jewish lies. in 50 years they'll be arguing for the extermination of the population of england because "its just a bunch of arab muslims" meanwhile some christian White-leaning mutts may prove to be valuable allies against jews. You do understand why jews are pushing islamification, right? if they can kill White-looking christian kids and nobody cares, then they can kill White christian kids too, as long as people like you are willing to accept what the news says "its just a bunch of muslim arabs" so who cares, right? 15% of a nations population can easily do alot of damage. anyone on this board should understand that. I dont seek to live in an ethnostate with these people, but i do not see them as enemies. Its that thinking that has people saying assad is an extremist muslim and shouldnt be helped.
>>6192 Brown hair can naturally appear in Japanese but yes, it seems non-brown eyes or blonde hair is non-existent among them. Although I have read of green eyes appearing among Ainu. >>6198 >Youre reall underestimating just how much disinfo the media gives to people, and how much they trust it They choose to stay ignorant. All they'd have to do is google the demographics of any of those countries and that's it. It has never been easier for people to acquire any sort of information, you'd have a point if we were talking about most of the 20th century, when people had no choice but to get their information from mainstream sources but anyone who does so in the age of the internet is personally at fault. The reason why they don't do their own research is because they don't really care either way, they follow what the mainstream media tells them to, not because they trust it so much but simply because normalfags like going along with the herd. It reminds me of this video of a guy who confronted people at some leftist British protest about what they thought of the sexual abuse in Rotterham and most of them simply ignored him or tried to change the subject.
>>6237 Do you have that video by chance?
I've been reading Hagakure, and I've gotten up to the part where he talks about homosexuality. Or Homosexuality, if you will. Could someone please provide some context? Because I am totally confused. First he said that some young men might permanently dishonour themselves with homosexual acts, by which it seems he meant foolish homosexuality rather than homosexuality itself. Which is fair enough because attitudes towards homosexuality vary radically across cultures and time periods. It's not some black and White dichotomy of ruthless persecution vs state enforced anal parties. He explains the proper way to do the gay without bringing shame on your household, and how to select a worthy gay lover that won't betray you. Protip: If your ex-butt-buddy asks why you dumped him, then just kill him. But then he goes on to say >"Hoshino Ryotetsu was the progenitor of homosexuality in our province, and although it can be said that his disciples were many, he instructed each one individually. Edayoshi Saburozaemon was a man who understood the foundation of homosexuality." And no, this isn't a euphemism for Ryotetsu being a man-slut. It almost sounds like homosexuality was treated as some sort of moral path rather than a mental illness or a strange amusement. Could it be a mistranslation? The translation I have certainly isn't the best quality, considering the numerous typos.
>>6405 It was probably some weird thing that arose from the mentor-student relationship. Your copy says what my copy says basically, so that's what it says. Basically it was tolerated in a certain context in a certain time of a young man's life. Here's some article I found that touches on this. It touches on your quote on the page too: >Among the samurai, class distinction necessarily influenced the style of training. A samurai required a horse, armor, equipment, weapons, and long periods of individualized instructions in all the arts of war. The high cost of such provision virtually limited participation to an aristocratic class; and it was to this class that the Code of the Samurai naturally applied. Combat skills were mostly conveyed in the standard Spartan type of male-to-male relationship, i.e., of an older man mentoring an adolescent student. This style provided for a long, non-sexual period of paternal solicitude during which time the adolescent matured sufficiently to make his own decisions. If both parties were agreeable, a period of intimacy could ensue. Patroclus and the young Achilles are an exemplary pairing of this type. >Intimacy was further encouraged by the long months of non-social activity - extended maneuvers, endless marches, sieges of interminable length - any number of encounters from which women were excluded. Because it was battle and not social-grace that brought the parties together, the homosexuality that occurred between a mentor and his charge was not the type in which one male was effeminate. Indeed, evidence can be adduced which shows that in Spartan, Athenian, and in Samurai cultures, a warrior male lost considerable status if he was less than manly in demeanor and if he did not marry and produce male heirs. [...] >In the samurai tradition, the older man might well be a family man and the younger man might later divert his attentions to establish his own family. Neither man was locked into a permanent physical relationship that excluded family life; but both men were required not only to be discreet but to behave in accordance with the Code of the Samurai. Promiscuity was unthinkable. https://old.zatma.org/Dharma/zbohy/Literature/essays/mzs/hagakure9.html
>>6406 Interesting article. So it's basically a case of two totally straight bros having a bit of bromance (with socks on) with a sprinkling of prison gay. That is very different to what contemporary homosexuality has become. Instead of a pair of dignified men united by duty furtively expressing their friendship with sex, we have perverts united only by lust seeking out the fleeting comfort of a stranger's embrace. It is understandable that promiscuity would be rampant. Even the most loyal samurai pairs would inevitably ditch one another to fuck their respective wives because their "homosexuality" was nothing more than a romantic expression of platonic love and relieving one another's urges. Maybe what modern gays desire is something that can never be found within another man's embrace, yet they keep hopping from man to man fruitlessly hoping that this stranger will be the one. Or maybe not.
>>6411 Yes, from how I understand it, pre-modern homosexual behavior was completely different from what is pushed today. As you kind of hint at, it was never seen as any sort of "orientation", let alone a lifestyle. All of these degenerate modern ideas have appeared only in the West, and only in the lifetimes of our parents. When people try to normalize the deviance of today, they inevitably justify it with examples such as ancient practices, when in reality, as you read and we've discussed, they were completely different.
>>6406 >If both parties were agreeable, a period of intimacy could ensue. Patroclus and the young Achilles are an exemplary pairing of this type. There really is no evidence for Patroclus and Achillies having initimacy with each other most of this is claimed by some dumb historians who completely misunderstood brotherly love just like they did with Plato thinking he meant male romantic love was the greatest love to exist.
>>6406 >>6411 Repression of heterosexuality, even if done for a greater good like in the case of the samurai, will always lead to homosexuality. Many young men today turn to homosexuality and transsexuality, not because they prefer that over having a cute girlfriend, but simply because they cannot acquire one and most people do not desire to live a lifetime of celibacy. Faggotry is nearly always a choice, despite what the media tells you. That is why I believe men should be married off when they are around the age of 16 and whatever children arise from the first few years of that marriage should be raised by its grandparents or the community as a whole (since teenagers/young adults wouldn't be able to properly raise a child). That would be a much better system than the one we have now where lonely and sexually frustated men either turn to degeneracy or become shut-ins.
>>6441 >That is why I believe men should be married off when they are around the age of 16 and whatever children arise from the first few years of that marriage should be raised by its grandparents or the community as a whole (since teenagers/young adults wouldn't be able to properly raise a child). That would be a much better system than the one we have now where lonely and sexually frustated men either turn to degeneracy or become shut-ins. I agree, this would be a good system and would go a long way in restoring tight-knit community bonds, something that we are desperately lacking in our societies today. Regarding the rise in homosexuality, I think porn plays a massive role as well. Porn turns millions of people that would otherwise be normal into faggots into all sorts of deviancy and fetishes. Combine that with repression, feminism, hypergamy and the like and we have a perfect storm of degeneracy.
Mini-documentary on the Sanrizuka Struggle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe2JrZDDdNI
>>6405 > foolish homosexuality rather than homosexuality itself >Homoseksuariti with pink ribbon on dick = foolish >Homoseksuariti with samourai armor = based nip logic? >how to select a worthy gay lover that won't betray you This explains how fags are the Jews' first favorite group to work with, because like the Jews, fags lie about their identity, they keep it secret while living among us. >>6406 >Anakin took care of Obi-Wan's jojo >>6411 >two totally straight bros having a bit of bromance (with socks on) with a sprinkling of prison gay. Totally straight men don't do the gay. >>6441 The State should deliver bordello coupons to young men so they can experience sexual acts with experienced women, this without shame.
>>6568 If you can't strive for fulfillment without complete mastery over carnal and depraved acts, you deserve slavery. Stop jerking off loser.
>>6593 >If you can't strive for fulfillment without complete mastery over carnal and depraved acts, you deserve slavery. A bit of quoting could help. What part is your post an answer to exactly?
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>>6561 That was a fitting use of the Jin Roh soundtrack in the beginning there, it really did look like something out of that movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkk4LFVJW_I Also, from looking at how some of those violent leftist student groups were acting there and on university campuses, it's no surprise Mishima was fearing that a Communist revolution was just around the corner in the late sixties. Bamboo spears, tunnels, fortresses? Really goes to show too how big of pussies leftists are today. Interesting stuff.
>>6593 Prostitution is far less dangerous to society than pornography and public lewdness.
>>6657 Prostitution is degenerate and leads to whore. You are an idiot thinking that it's not as bad as pornography.
>>6657 We want to prevent conditions in the first place that lead to girls having to sell their bodies for money, not to mention the fact that this can lead to all sorts of STDs.
>>6656 Japanese Communists and leftists in general have always been of a different breed than the ones in the rest of the world, perhaps because of their country's homogeneity, making their ideology center not on race but purely on practical issues. Hiyao Miyazaki is a good example of this, he used to be a Communist but based on his personality alone, he'd be considered a fascist by western leftists. >>6661 I agree with him. A generation of men that spends its time masturbating while looking at other people have sex will have far more issues than one which actually get to experience the act itself. Also, it's better to have a specific class of women who whore themselves out than for all women to essentially be whores, which is currently the case.
>>6703 I don't support prostitution, but if we were faced between allowing pornography and tolerating prostitution, I'd choose the latter any day. Porn is much more destructive due to what exactly its content is and how extreme it can get.
>>6703 >>6718 Prostitution is just as degenerate as whoring, you two do realize that Ancient Greece and Rome had a whoring problem due to prostitution right?
>>6721 >just as degenerate as whoring meant just as degenerate as porn
>>6721 >>6723 Like I said, I think both are degenerate and I would not support prostitution having any sort of place in a future fascist society or ethnostate, but I just can't help but see prostitution as less degenerate than pornography. My reasoning for this is that you can't just fuck a whore whenever you want, you literally have to physically go to one and pay, and as far as I know you've got to be an adult to hire a whore. Pornography, as it is now, is something that is freely available and easy to access by anyone at any time. I read an article somewhere once that is saying that nowadays the average age where children are exposed to hardcore pornography is around age ten. With hardcore pornography we obviously see many sick acts performed on women. Surely this must have some effects on young people who come across this. And when one begins to consume more and more porn, they move off of "normal" material and move onto more depraved and bizarre acts. Again, to be clear, prostitution should not be legalized or tolerated, but pornography is far more dangerous.
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I've mentioned this book in the OP, but I will recommend it again because of how much I enjoyed it. Read Ivan Morris' The Nobility of Failure. The book is divided into ten chapters which give portraits of some famous Japanese heroes and figures, all of whom are notable for the fact that they did not have worldly success (at least in the long term), but that they failed. The final chapter was on Kamikaze pilots and those who manned suicide submarines, but all of the others are on figures such as Yamato Takeru, Minamoto no Yoshitstune, Kusunoki Masashige, Saigo Takamori and others. Even if it's not explicitly fascist, there's a lot to appreciate in their spirit, especially with how many of these men knew they were fighting for a lost cause, but still saw it through to the end because of the depth of their sincerity and belief in their cause. There are also extensive notes in the back. I don't have a PDF unfortunately, but if you have a way to read EPUBs, I recommend it: http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=6C814328C4407F3536135089907D680C
>>6661 It really isn't. Pornography and public lewdness mass cucks and encourages autogynephilia and incites dysfunction in the men in the society. >>6664 >We want to prevent conditions in the first place that lead to girls having to sell their bodies for money Prostitution/being slut/either is just (attractive) female behavior when it doesn't have to worry about shaming from friends and family and immediate community combined with violence against them from their patriarchs/husbands. Enough women who aren't officially harlots finger dicks and suck them for favors/hiring/etc. ALL pretty enough women are either sluts until they're owned or are dysfunctional (homosexuals, cat ladies). >>6703 There is no example of the Actual Left openly calling for banning prostitution while openly also calling for banning porn, yoga pants, etc. Ever wonder about that? >>6721 And Athens was far more fertile a society than Sparta or today's.
>>6741 >. ALL pretty enough women are either sluts until they're owned This is why women should be married by their eighteenth birthday. Hitler saw these types of marriages as essential for combating prostitution in Mein Kampf.
>>6741 Athens didn't care for race you imbecile, Athens became a materialistic shithole that only cared for the gathering of resources, enough citizens to tax and labors. The real reason why Athens birthrates increased is because they had men marry women at a young age and same goes from Rome, but there was no idea for purebreds just breeding rabbits. Also when you prostitute you don't increase birthrates, you relieve sexual frustration. The women in Rome and Athens became disloyal because they have no reason to be married when they can make easy dough selling themselves off. So you literally have no idea of what you're talking about with this retarded logic.
A "Fertile society" cares nothing for race and breeding good genes for it only ends up becoming like modern shit-holes such as India Brazil, Mexico, etc. Birthrates ain't everything DNA is far more important along with offsprings having your good genes.
>>6761 A *healthy* fertile society does care about race. Quantity isn’t everything, but it does matter along with quality, especially since larger numbers of inferior enemies can trump quality if present in large enough numbers
>>6759 >Athens didn't care for race you imbecile They did actually going from Aristotle's comments on the north (Germania) and the south (Africa). They had higher standards for citizenship than the Roman Republic post-Social War. >Athens became a materialistic shithole that only cared for the gathering of resources, enough citizens to tax and labors. Still less of a simp land than Sparta. >The real reason why Athens birthrates increased is because they had men marry women at a young age and same goes from Rome, but there was no idea for purebreds just breeding rabbits. Athens had no significant foreign non-European population at any point when it was relevant. >Also when you prostitute you don't increase birthrates, you relieve sexual frustration. Uh yeah? A (attractive) prostitute serves the societal role of giving enough men hope that they have options to decent women. Part of what makes modern interaction of the sexes so dysfunctional is that men have neither confidence that they can ever own their women (fearing divorce, fearing getting locked up for "domestic abuse", her cucking him with her fitness trainer and taking what kids they have in the divorce) and assurance they can even have access to decent women. >The women in Rome and Athens became disloyal because they have no reason to be married when they can make easy dough selling themselves off. No. In Rome's case it was that the state during the empire could afford to indulge its women being the biggest pimp (giving resources and protection). No better than today. >So you literally have no idea of what you're talking about with this retarded logic. Whatever you say Victorian. It's not like actual traditional societies from Vedic India to Medieval Europe both had and notably enforced law against prostitution rather than accepting it and keeping it running smoothly. >>6761 Considering Europeans went thousands of years doing stuff keeping the birth levels high, I'd say tradition backs me. More importantly, a society/culture with low birth levels is a society that doesn't want to live anymore and has no actual hope for the future. You see it in Japan (the whole fixation on youth and cuteness for one), worship of children's entertainment like superheroes and Harry Potter.
>>6741 >There is no example of the Actual Left openly calling for banning prostitution while openly also calling for banning porn, yoga pants, etc. Ever wonder about that? What a retarded sentence, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the Left is not openly calling for the banning of both porn & prostitution or are you saying that the left is not calling for the banning of prostution but is calling for the banning of porn? Regardless of what you meant, I live in Europe and prostitution is legal in most countries here yet there are very few women who actually participate in the bussiness. There are however a lot of women who are whores without getting paid for it. As for the left, I would say that prostitution being legal hurts them more than it hurts us since there are many American men who go along with the feminist agenda in public in the hopes of getting laid whereas in the rest of the world, anyone with money can get laid so there's no reason for men to go along with it there. Access to prostitution makes men less desperate for sex, regardless of if they want to make use of the service or not, because they know that they can get it whenever they want, which affects their way of interacting with women.
>>6783 > They did actually going from Aristotle's comments on the north (Germania) and the south (Africa). They had higher standards for citizenship than the Roman Republic post-Social War. And overtime they cared less for racial breeding and more for income and citizens that could benefit the state for income. >Still less of a simp land than Sparta. >Simp Shut using this gay word you fucking faggot, Sparta actually fought for a cause while Athenians inbreded themselves. >Athens had no significant foreign non-European population at any point when it was relevant. >What is metics >What is slavery >Uh yeah? A (attractive) prostitute serves the societal role of giving enough men hope that they have options to decent women. You're actually retarded thinking this. >Part of what makes modern interaction of the sexes so dysfunctional is that men have neither confidence that they can ever own their women (fearing divorce, fearing getting locked up for "domestic abuse", What makes modern society so dysfunctional is that men and women today will have sex but have no obligation to get married with the person they had sex with or have children at all. Abortions are high because women want to have sex all the time just so they can be slurs. You literally aren't making a good point here. >No. In Rome's case it was that the state during the empire could afford to indulge its women being the biggest pimp No it was because Rome became degenerate and the foreigners of other lands influence the women to just become whores. >Whatever you say Victorian. It's not like actual traditional societies from Vedic India to Medieval Europe both had and notably enforced law against prostitution And all those European societies ended up becoming degenerate in the end, because they heavily depended on sinning for profit and power.
>>6664 >girls having to sell their bodies for money >having to Beyond the topic of the validity of prostitution, I think we can safely agree that a place where girls would be under such pressure would be a ruined one. Bit like Ukraine today. >>6703 >Japanese Communists and leftists in general have always been of a different breed than the ones in the rest of the world, perhaps because of their country's homogeneity, making their ideology center not on race but purely on practical issues. Hiyao Miyazaki is a good example of this, he used to be a Communist but based on his personality alone, he'd be considered a fascist by western leftists. Perhaps because they never had to experience anything close to real communism. So they only think about the watered down version and the absurd utopia that might sound good on paper if you never think twice about it. >>6661 You can't stop prostitution so it's better to try to elevate it and oversee it too. Comparing prostitution and pornography is also strange. On one side the sexual act is real and the overall experience could even be made educative and entertaining on a cultural level (think a sexual form of geishaism). On the other side, you only have destruction of the woman's nobility and neurosis. When was the last time you actually heard people talk about eroticism instead of only speaking of pornography, or porn as they usually say? >>6721 You could look into the causes and when this happened exactly. Also, was there really a issue there? >>6731 Failure is not the problem, you cannot always win. The point is to fight with all you have, as if you were being watched by Gods and really wanted to make their popcorn taste better.
>>6789 >What a retarded sentence, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the Left is not openly calling for the banning of both porn & prostitution or are you saying that the left is not calling for the banning of prostution but is calling for the banning of porn? It's not hard. The Left That Matters reliably opposes prostitution yet approves or enables OnlyFans and yoga pants. Their handlers are choosing the option bringing the most dysfunction. >>6794 >And overtime they cared less for racial breeding and more for income and citizens that could benefit the state for income. Athens never extended citizenship. >Shut using this gay word you fucking faggot, Sparta actually fought for a cause while Athenians inbreded themselves. Spartans had no problem accepting funds from Persia and commited demographic suicide from giving women too much while waging so many wars thinning the male cut of the population. >Athens had no significant foreign non-European population at any point when it was relevant. >What is metics Demonstrate Athens was filled with non-Europeans. The Greek city states didn't include other Greeks as citizens. >What is slavery Demonstrate that they had non-European slaves in significant numbers. >You're actually retarded thinking this. Not an argument. >What makes modern society so dysfunctional is that men and women today will have sex but have no obligation to get married with the person they had sex with or have children at all. "Marriage" is a meme absent of a guarentee men can own women. Men have no real point to bothering with marriage when they can never have any guarentee they can own a woman in an easy enough way. (Attractive) Women don't bother since they can easily get sex when they want it, get a baby when they want one, have the state backing them with welfare, divorce, police forces, etc. >Abortions are high because women want to have sex all the time just so they can be slurs. Women have always been eyeing men outside their immediate family. The key difference is that ClownWorld is arranged so that women get all they can get from a husband besides dick and babies (resources and protection) by just obeying Globohomo. And they don't need a husband for dick and babies. A (pretty) woman has no incentive to be loyal to a single man (cops will protect her from violence at the hands of a displeased man, her rootlessness cancels out shaming from her immediate community). And if she does want to, it's to a rockstar or professional criminal. Not some incel who sits in a cubicle then goes home to coom. >No it was because Rome became degenerate and the foreigners of other lands influence the women to just become whores. >We Wuz Kangz history Non-Europeans had not at all a major place in Roman society and its direction. Rome's problem of female behavior was there all the way in Augustus's time (hence him placing laws meant to regulate female behavior). >And all those European societies ended up becoming degenerate in the end, because they heavily depended on sinning for profit and power. >sinning Go away Christcuck.
>>6833 >Failure is not the problem, you cannot always win. The point is to fight with all you have, as if you were being watched by Gods and really wanted to make their popcorn taste better. Exactly. Them fighting with all they had even despite it being next to hopeless is very admirable. In that book the author contrasts the dichotomy between realism and sincerity in the Japanese tradition. The followers of "sincerity" are the failed heroes the book focuses on, and they are characterized by action over talk, selflessness and self-sacrifice, and uncompromising idealism. The realist on the other hand is more self-interested, pragmatic, and calculating. The realist of course has his place, since not everyone is animated by an uncompromising and self-sacrificing spirit, but I think it is the follower of sincerity who embodies more closely traditional masculine virtues. The emphasis on talk over action is characteristically fascistic as well. "Runaway Horses" is a perfect example of this attitude. Isao is the personification of action, refusing to compromise or dilute his beliefs
>>6844 >Athens never extended citizenship. Athens did extend citizenship certain foreigners they considered useful idiots were the exceptions. >Spartans had no problem accepting funds from Persia and commited demographic suicide from giving women too much while waging so many wars thinning the male cut of the population. The Athenians are the same case, they relied too heavily on slavery and non Athenian populations to fight their wars and fuel their economies. Not only that Athens was completely reliant on trading and failed to do a form of self-reliance. >Demonstrate Athens was filled with non-Europeans. The Greek city states didn't include other Greeks as citizens. The Athenians had more non citizens than they They had citizens. This the same case for Sparta as. Which is why they faced a demographic issue. The non citizens are slaves from the trading in the levantine, while the metics were from mostly from Anatolian who had features that would be considered non-Greek. >Rome's problem of female behavior was there all the way in Augustus's time Rome's female issues has been a thing since Caesar became a politician.
Also Athens ended up becoming very materialist and sacrificed their monarchy for (((democracy))) and ended up becoming a oligarchy Athens became a powerful state alright, but one that was heavily depended on money and trading.
Either a minority of women are whores or all (pretty) women are whores. There are no other options across history.
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Pic related are two books on Mishima that I enjoyed reading. I don't think either of them can be found online, unfortunately, but I found them to be worthwhile. The first one dwells a lot on Mishima and his nihilism, and how it is pervasive through his works, and especially with his links to Nietzsche. The second one is a newer book that talks about Mishima's aesthetics of beauty and violence, drawing from some never-before-translated essays along with his written works. I was surprised to learn that the sort of morbid ideas that Mishima's famous for were not as uncommon as one would think. For example Motojirō Kajii had a poem that read: >There are corpses buried beneath the cherry trees! >There must be. How else could the blossoms be so beautiful? Around the time he was growing up, this attitude was particularly intense in society, it seems, as schools, popular songs, films and the like all extolled the virtues of dying young and "falling like cherry blossoms for the emperor". Likewise we can read stuff about Kamikaze pilots eagerly volunteering themselves for suicide missions and thanking their commanders with tears in their eyes for choosing them in books like "The Nobility of Failure" which I have already recommended ITT. Another author quoted in this book, Hashikawa Bunzō is quoted as saying that during the war years it felt as if "the gods had come to down to earth as tribal gods to fight" and that "We knew we were going to die young". The passage even ends with talk of how even the smashing of a boy's skull by a grenade which splatters his blood all over a summer garden in those would have had a "self-evident beauty" about it. In light of this Mishima seems like a particularly extreme example who persisted in his attitudes beyond the war. >>8276 Videos of Japanese airplanes in WWII always have a nice comfy vibe to them.
>>8278 >eagerly volunteering themselves for suicide missions At least they weren't brainwashed tbh.
>>8289 Here are some excerpts from the book I was referencing (>>6731): Despite the highly charged nature of their predicament, the suicide pilots never (except in certain special situations that will shortly be described) indulged in displays of hysteria or dramatics, and it was widely recognized that from the inception of kamikaze units in 1944 theirs was the highest morale in the Japa­nese armed forces. [10.141] Even pilots who had the minimum experience were full of enthusiasm as they took off on their one-way mis­sions; and this joyful approach made up for their lack of training. In the descriptions of daily life in the kamikaze bases and in the personal writings of the pilots there is rarely a trace of gloom or pessimism; and on the day of their departure, as they prepared to soar up like Icarus on his flight towards the sun, their usual mood was one of eagerness and exaltation that seems to have voided all instinct for survival. [10.142] In a typical photograph of a kamikaze fighter tightening the Rising Sun hachimaki round the helmet of a fellow pilot who is about to sortie, the young man is smiling with relaxed self-possession as if he and his companion were getting ready for a wedding ceremony or a graduation. Lieutenant Suga Yoshimune of the True Spirit Special Attack Unit describes his pride at being given a chance to prove his sincerity by defending Japan with this “final trump card.” [10.143] “Life has now become a true pleasure for me,” he says. “How genial is the springtime for us who belong to a [Special Attack] unit—so much warmer and softer than in the sad world outside!” -------------------------- 'The field was pock-marked with bomb holes, but following my hand signals, the planes were skilfully taxied to their starting places without mishap. As I waved my right hand in the signal for taking off, Lieutenant Nakano raised himself in the cockpit and shouted, “Com­mander Nakajima! Commander Nakajima!”' 'Fearing that something had gone wrong, I ran to the side of his plane to learn what troubled him. His face was wreathed in smiles as he called, “Thank you, Commander. Thank you very much....” Realizing that enemy raiders might appear at any moment and that there was not an instant to lose, I wordlessly gave the signal for take-off.' Nakano’s plane started forward with a roar. As the second plane passed in front of me the engine was revved down momentarily as the pilot screamed, “Commander! Commander!” I flagged him on with a vigorous wave of my arm, but through the din came back his shrieked farewell: “Thank you for choosing me!” I pretended not to hear these messages, but they tore at my heart. The scene repeated itself as each smiling pilot passed my position and I waved on the next: No. 3... No. 4... No. 5—each did the same.... [10.75]
>>8278 >Videos of Japanese airplanes in WWII always have a nice comfy vibe to them. It seems like a beautiful way to die, with the vast blue sky being the last thing you see. They remind me of this scene from Porco Rosso. https://youtu.be/tc1dvo7EBzg >>8299 The simple joys of life, such as looking at a beautiful flower or reading a good poem, are easier to appreciate when you know you don't have a lot of time left on this earth. Maybe that is why samurai had an appreciation for the arts as well, since they lived with the idea that every day could be their last. The reason why people today feel so restless is because they assume that they are able to live up to 100 (assuming they die of natural causes), which feels like an eternity and there is no joy in being 'stuck' for so long in this world.
>>8319 >It seems like a beautiful way to die, with the vast blue sky being the last thing you see. Yes, I agree. Also, that anime looks like a good one, I will have to check it out here soon. I have seen far too little Miyazaki. Really only seen Mononoke Hime and Spirited Away iirc. >Maybe that is why samurai had an appreciation for the arts as well, since they lived with the idea that every day could be their last. Exactly. Like it's said in the Hagakure, it's recommended that the samurai should rehearse his death every morning and night, living as if already dead. Even if they never read Jocho's words, I'm sure that many samurai took this idea quite seriously, especially since Japanese culture traditionally is really imbued with the idea of impermanence with the ideas of mono no aware and related symbols such as cherry blossoms, the "utsusemi no yo" or the fragile cicada-shell like world. I'm not sure if I can fully grasp their attitude towards death, though reading about stuff like what happened in Saipan is macabre, but also fascinating in a way. Quote from same book: >It was not only pilots, or even military men, who responded with suicidal desperation to the agonizing course of events. In battle after battle, from the Aleutians to Guadalcanal, Japanese soldiers avoided surrender by participating in fierce suicide at­tacks, which the Americans described as “banzai charges.” Proba­bly the most fearsome scenes of all took place on the island of Saipan in July 1944. When organized military resistance became impossible, some three thousand Japanese soldiers, most of them armed with nothing but bayonets or sticks, charged into the concentrated machine-gun fire of the American marines and were mown down to the last man. [10.82] At times the Japanese corpses were piled so high that the marines had to move their machine-gun emplacements into an open line of fire as new waves surged forward. A particularly macabre note was provided by a contin­gent of wounded soldiers, many of them swathed in bandages and leaning on the shoulders of their comrades, who staggered out of the hospitals and infirmaries to take part in the last suicide attack. Subsequently entire units of Japanese soldiers knelt down in rows to be decapitated by their commanding officers, who then in turn committed harakiri; hundreds of other soldiers shot themselves through the head or, more frequently, exploded themselves with hand-grenades. As the marines advanced through the blood-drenched island, they witnessed one mass sui­cide after another, culminating in the terrible last scene when hundreds of Japanese civilian inhabitants, including large num­bers of women with children in their arms, hurled themselves off the cliffs or rushed out of caves by the sea and drowned them­selves rather than risk the indignity of capture. The self-slaughter, probably the ghastliest in world history since the mass suicide of the Jews in Masada, continued for three days and nights; when finally Admiral Spruance was able to announce that the island was “secure,” less than one thousand Japanese survived from the original thirty-two thousand, and hardly a single soldier remained to be taken prisoner. >The reason why people today feel so restless is because they assume that they are able to live up to 100 (assuming they die of natural causes), which feels like an eternity and there is no joy in being 'stuck' for so long in this world. And also we live in a time where even though the average life-expectancy has started to go up, it's also arguably the most boring and soulless period of human history. Mishima talks about this in several interviews and writings of his, and I think he's right. My Romanticism kicks in strong when I think of these things.
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