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Unpopular Opinions Thread Blackshirt 06/26/2020 (Fri) 16:50:13 No.2367
These are always fun. Me: >Dharmic religions are only slightly less cringe than Christianity >Pol Pot was based and was a racialist nationalist agrarian communist >People who say that people like Breivik and Tarrant "threw away their lives" are materialist Last Men at heart
Theory aside from a pure practical view pre 1990 commie states are quite similar to what a national socialist state would have looked in peace time. Unpopular enough?
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>>2369 What aspects are you thinking of in particular? I don't wholly disagree, but in many ways I see it as much different. Where there would be similarities would of course be with the one-party state, authoritarianism, somewhat conservative social norms, no consumerism and the like. On another front though, I think that with our concern for quality over quantity, the love and cultivation of nature and beauty in architecture, creating a harmonious rather than leveled society of workers and bureaucrats, there are large differences as well. When I look at North Korea it is hard to argue that it hasn't become a veritable paradise compared to the rest of the world though in many respects.
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Christ is the Lord Genetics are not everything
>>2372 You basically mentioned what I think is most similar. I would say though that choosing quality over quantity was an aspired ideal which was often not fulfilled in fascist societies, often due to cronyism. Of course you could say this problem to solve would've taken some time before we could see an effect. Time fascism didn't have but in a direct system comparions of what was the differences in that area just weren't that big. I would also argue that after the war beauty in art was definetly more valued in the East than in the West which has produced almost nothing but degenerate crap in the same time frame. Socialist countries obviously tried to find their own style and they have not withstood the plague of modernism that has swept the planet but travelling ex-communist countires you find a lot of beautiful (as in classical or at least classical inspired) art from that era, too.
>>2369 Yes, unfortunately in any society actualizing ideals such as "quality over quantity" and meritocracy can be difficult. I would answer how you predicted in saying that it would take time to see major effects, as the Third Reich (to give one notable example) was not able to carry out its social policy with eugenics and the like for a very long period of time to show many effects, and the same can be said for the positive eugenic measures in the SS and throughout society. It's unfortunate that it did not last enough to truly become ingrained within the culture.
I don't hate niggers outright, I just don't want them to live anywhere near my peoples' land.
>>2377 As a Southerner, I've known some non-retarded niggers, typically country niggers, and they can be decent.
>>2377 I think a lot of people probably agree with this. Jews just reduce everything to a simplistic notion of irrational and inexplicable "hate".
>>2374 >genetics are not everything this starting creeping into my brain a couple months ago. seeing all the burn loot muder protests and riots are half white people, its really starting to take root. >christ is the lord i used to be very anti-christian, but learning about european pre christian culture and imagining i would hate living with those people, seeing that Christianity almost completely obliterated all other religion in europe despite criticism that christianity is weak, learning more about amish culture despite criticism of Christianity causing jewishness and racemixing, and the fact that christian art has a sense of beauty to it not seen elsewhere in the world, i think i need to reinvestigate. >>2367 The Jew World Order has done nothing wrong.
>>2389 >Christianity almost completely obliterated all other religion in europe despite criticism that christianity is weak Christianity is slave morality, herd morality, morality of resentment and world-denial. Read Nietzsche. Just as Bolshevism claimed to bring liberty to men, only to enslave, so Christianity exterminated its adversaries in the name of love, it's key-note being a certain Judaic intolerance. They wiped away their own cultures, traditions and social structures for a foreign one that, as centuries past, festered within the European spirit, giving birth to other abominations like liberalism, communist and the like. The West has only became more Abrahamic as the years count on. >that christian art has a sense of beauty to it not seen elsewhere in the world Correlation =/= Causation. Europeans were creating works of beauty for hundreds of years prior to Christianity. This beauty you praise is the result of white artists, not a result of Christianity.
>>2389 If you are interested in an opinion on genetics then I have this: Genes do matter and do affect behavior, but they are so unstable and their expression so dependent on manny things that heritage alone are not a determinant factor in manny things, instead they only increase probability over many characteristics, not guaranteeing a trait, but instead making it more likely for someone from a certain group to express some behavior. A bellcurve. So, being black is not a sentence of being a stupid monkey-like being, but if you are black it is very likely that you fit this categorization, still, there are exceptions to this, and these people are the reason I try to be very careful with race/nation-wide measures. Since I am so selective with the people I talk with I find myself struggling with this since most of the people I know are exceptions, and while I consider them what each group should be I know that I must never forget that these people are rare. And about christianity, I do not believe in any of the churches, only Christ, thus I can remove myself from all these claims, or even agree with them without holding a double standard.
1. There are too many lolbergs and muh lawfags and muh individuals in the Dissident Right. 2. There is no point to doing anything on the ground against the Deep State. The Deep State is too rooted and has too much tendrils. Our only shot is to hope that there reaches a point where enough of the elite lean towards Actual Fascism. 3. Self-determination is liberal garbage. 4. China is certainly the lesser problem than Globohomo and should be strategically allied with when needed. 5. Jim Donald is right about women. 6. Multiculturalism isn't bad from having multiple races together. It's bad from buying into memes like self-determination and autonomy being good. 7. "Nationalism" is contrary to nature and unworkable in a post-computers world. The only options are either full tribes or global imperium. 8. Communists had better aesthetics than Fascists. 9. From the standpoint of longterm stability within a large-scale, non-tribal, society with no regard for warfare against outsiders the best way to organize society is something like India's. 12. Spinoza, Evola, and Schopenhauer are the best of of post-Neoplantonic philosophers. 13. All current and relevant entertainment is degenerate by nature. Doesn't matter if it's vidya or movie capeshit. 14. There's nothing wrong with religions/philosophies like Dharmic ones teaching that it's foolish to overly worry about the world. >>2389 Do not respond to the Christcuck seriously.
>>2410 >2. There is no point to doing anything on the ground against the Deep State. The Deep State is too rooted and has too much tendrils. Our only shot is to hope that there reaches a point where enough of the elite lean towards Actual Fascism. Do you see this really ever happening though? The elite (I am assuming you are referring to gentile elites) really have no reason ever to support fascism, especially when Globohomo fills their pockets and keeps them and their families so materially satisfied today. They are merely golems of the real elites, i.e. the genuine Tikkun Olam-pushing ultra-rich Jewish oligarchies at the very very tip of the pyramid of global power. I think more can be done than you think, it just depends on whether people are ready to risk their comfy lives and truly dedicate themselves to this. >4. China is certainly the lesser problem than Globohomo and should be strategically allied with when needed. China is Globohomo fundamentally. The same corporations operate in both countries and they work on the same myths of "progress" and other nonsense. If we want to look at this from a different level, we can never forget that China today is quite literally founded on a Jewish ideology, i.e. Marxism. Even if they are "bad Marxists" as some would say, there can be no doubt that this type of thought is not at least influential within China. >13. All current and relevant entertainment is degenerate by nature. Doesn't matter if it's vidya or movie capeshit. B-but muh Japanese cartoons!!!!!!!1111
Even more: 15. Stop praising the likes of Mormons and Amish. They're all either major degenerates when you aren't looking (Mormon girls are huge sluts who think that "virginity" means it's okay to suck dick and get it in the ass but it's not okay to be fucked in the pussy if she's not married) or cucks who be good goys when it's time (see Mitt Romney matching with Dindu Lives Matter). 16. There is no basis for "land ownership" that goes beyond might and the will to enforce it. This includes something like that commune ruled by King Nigger since the Deep State is obviously backing them. 17. There is nothing wrong with things like censorship of mass media or state-owned broadcasting. Or making journalism a crime like abortion. 18. The state of contemporary men is worse than that of women, you just don't notice since bad degenerate are attention whores who are aided in this by the ruling ideology and social media. 19. Actual Fascist Ideology is incompatible with Christianity and all forms of proper Abrahamism. This is not since it's against muh religious freedum or any gay liberal garbage, but it's how its founders and writers said founders drew inspiration from were all either "occultist", Panthiest, or Panentheist. 20. "Freedom" and "liberty" are silly goals for society, not just "equality." All governance is necessarily totalitarian, governance cannot be abolished as long as there are men. 21. "muh collapse" is a meme. Clown World can and will reign without end for as much men will care until someone deliberately ends it. 22. All forms of porn should be outlawed to regulated. Legit prostitution should be legal and funded. 23. Islam is overall a more worthy creed than Christianity since among other things it has its own Law for society that isn't too rooted in Judaism. 24. Ultimately, the big problem with relations between male and female is that there's an excess of lower-quality males combined with too much public lewdness. We live in overall the easiest decade to live in if you want to fuck a woman without having to marry her, carry her off when at war, etc. And if you do none of that you have the option of cooming to Big Brazilian Bootyholes or whatever.
>>2417 >Do you see this really ever happening though? There are no examples of successful revolutions against a force like the British or French's state without either support from within the elite or foreign aid. >China is Globohomo fundamentally. The same corporations operate in both countries and they work on the same myths of "progress" and other nonsense. If we want to look at this from a different level, we can never forget that China today is quite literally founded on a Jewish ideology, i.e. Marxism. Even if they are "bad Marxists" as some would say, there can be no doubt that this type of thought is not at least influential within China. Trust me, China has a deep contradiction within itself between the Abrahamism of Communism and its own traditions. >B-but muh Japanese cartoons!!!!!!!1111 The Japanese have long became a peak degenerate puppet state. There were even Nig Lives Matter protestors there.
>>2431 >The Japanese have long became a peak degenerate puppet state. There were even Nig Lives Matter protestors there. It's quite sad, honestly. It was a unique and beautiful culture prior to WWII. Only a generation or two before WWII had they ended feudalism, abolished the samurai class and began industrializing rapidly. Just imagine going from such a healthy, organic culture straight into American-occupied liberal egalitarianism and wagecuck-centric culture. The whiplash must have been violent. Today they're all either soulless salarymen who waste their lives climbing corporate hierarchies, hikikomori or some other variation of otaku loser who spends his life fawning after shallow bug-eyed cartoons. It obviously has an effect on them as well, because we know from reading about the cult Aum Shinrikyo (to give on example) that many of the people who joined it were just sick of consumerism, materialism and wage-slaving, so isolated themselves from the world and dedicated it to spiritual practice and later terrorism in the most extreme cases in relation to Aum. It's becoming yet another grey, monotonous semi-Westernized hellscape. Mishima never had a chance for his coup to work obviously, but if anyone signified the death of Japan after WWII, it was him, and even he was a man of many contradictions between West and East. His Sea of Fertility traces the decline very well and in a very depressing manner. I can't even watch anime anymore as I've become more redpilled. It seems so shallow, I can't help but seeing most entertainment as escapism for wagecucks, and it is so sad thinking of what Japan was in contrast to what it is now.
>>2367 Eugenics, while very much necessary for the advancement of the human race, is not necessarily the best solution to the problem of dysgenics. Mother Nature can do a better job than we can with regulating the unfit than we can, even with our technology. >>2431 >>2454 The Japanese have for the most part have fallen into degeneracy, but there is hope. Shinzo Abe, the current Prime Minister, is affiliated with Nippon Kaigi, a monarchist-nationalist organization which seeks to reverse MacArthur's constitution, bring back a Japanese standing army, and bring patriotic education to the people, and he specifically wants to revise Article 9 of the Constitution.
>>2431 >There were even Nig Lives Matter protestors there. Imported Koreans and westerners aren't nips. Their signs weren't written in proper Japanese, and there were only 200 or so of them (in Shibuya, which is huge).
>>2463 They really need to get rid of Zainichi Koreans and other assorted gaijin scum who keep trying to push Western values onto Japan. >>2462 Nippon Kaigi is very whitepilling from my view outside. I don't know how they function in practice obviously but a nationalistic organization trying to revise the constitution, strengthen the armed forces and respecting the Emperor is good in my book. Anyone who doesn't know about them should check out this video (of course biased and crying about "muh Nanking") but it has some good footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSXNv1ksmQQ
>>2410 Jim Donald is a fucking pedophile for crying out loud.
>>2454 Aum was a death cult. They shouldn't have resorted to terrorism and shouldn't have been harsh on those who wanted to leave.
Non-whites posting on boards like /pol/ and /fascist/ have no idea they're going to die too in the coming white world. No seriously, even if they're based, I don't think the Whites are going to be like "hey guys don't shoot this shitskin he's a based poster on this image board". They're going to shoot you too just like your bluepilled families and friends.
>>2481 Go away cuck/cuckservative. Anyway here are some unpopular ones of a more...motivational and spiritual bend: >There will never be a mass revolt by Whitey. "Mass revolts" spontaneously happening and being succesful is a meme. >Moldbug was right about America always being a degenerate-ran country >"Western civilization" is a meme. By saying it, you admit that shit like muh democracy and muh multiculturalism belong to Whitey since whether you admit it or not Christianity and Jews have played a large role in muh Western history. >"Leftism" as we know it is something that only a Honky would invent. The Jews merely saw a way to screw over goyim and dumped gasoline over the fire. >Select posters here show a poor grasp of theology and philosophy. They miss that the Abrahamic theologies have always been more "worldly" than those of the Dharmics or something like Plotinus' teachings since all of them are either glorified revenge fantasies by a pack of refuse (Judaism) or movements that were appropiated by local powers (Christianity) or a ploy by a warrior band to unite themselves and draw in followers to do their bidding (Islam). >That said, posters here try too hard to blame all of Whitey's cuckoldry on Christianity. They ignore Alexander the Great's attempt to "fuse" Greek and Persian civilization. An obvious and early attempt at social engineering. >What select posters call "nihilism" (recognizing impermenace and seeing the "deeper" world) here not only has nothing wrong with it but is necessary for feats like Notre Dame or the Partheon. Someone who lives "only for this world" would be today's Nigger in Detroit or Bugman cooming to superhero porn.
>>2485 Retard, not even the Third Reich at the height of its power killed anyone non-white for no reason. Absolute bull
>>2488 >He didn't read Hitler's books Hitler himself called for a rejuvenated Europe to conquer the rest of the world. That would require mass death.
>>2487 Moldbug's a kike.
>>2481 Define pedophile. Nature itself has set the lower limits of female fertility much lower than what any ZOG'd law-system decrees. When it comes to conventions versus the Natural Order, Nature always prevails. >>2482 I agree, the Aum affair was nothing good, and Asahara is no one to look up to, but it's not hard to see the appeal to wagecucks with no meaning or purpose, especially when it appeared to offer an escape from the mainstream culture of Japan at the time. >>2488 >not even the Third Reich at the height of its power killed anyone non-white for no reason No they did not, but perhaps they should have. See the OP of the ethnoglobe thread for a discussion of this.
I wouldn't trust a monacuck as far as I could throw them, and even if I did trust them I still think trying to bring it back is a waste of time since the old, legitimate bloodlines have long been corrupted
>>2496 I don't understand why one ever feel themselves bound to a bloodline instead of finding the best possible person to rule. /monarchy/ anons were never able to satisfyingly explain this.
>>2498 Something something divine right
>>2499 Either that or some idea of a unifying cultural institution. Now that, to an extent, I can understand, but as I've seen it, more often than the not monarchies have seemed to sell out fascists or side with Jewish elites against their own subjects.
>>2491 Pedophilia is having sex with kids/teens.
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>>2510 There is nothing wrong with having sex with a teenager. >b-but the law says... Fuck the law. Nature is my source of Law
>>2514 I can hear arguments on the line of aligning of consent for women with first menstruation, but that raises a little problem : it's far from uniform, even within a given ethnic group, and the average is shifting dramatically : the average may be around 10 today, but it was 16 in Europe 100 years ago, and that seemed to better align with a K strategy. Also, is it just my experience, or do smarter people of both sexes take longer to become sexually active ?
>>2520 Actually, it would probably be better to think less of consent, and more of marriage. If we do not approach it from this angle we run the risk of seeming like the interested parties here just want sex with younger girls to pump and dump—this would just be exacerbating many of the problems that already exist in our fornicating culture of today. Young marriages are essential for stable marriages, pair-bonding and a healthy outlet for natural urges. In a future pro-White natalist state in the future, this would have to be supported. The best thing to do would be to set a lower limit around where the vast majority of girls hit puberty, same for boys. Introduce a system of parental discretion as well, though while not totally removing a degree of choice from the parties to be married. The biggest problem today is that we focus entirely on love marriages, marriages based on superficialities like beauty at that moment, not realizing that beauty is something that fades. I'm not saying I want a hideous wife or anything, but the most important thing is health and looking for someone who would most likely be a good mother. People need to realize that marriage and sex aren't merely about love, it's part of duty to continue the race, elevate the race, assist in forging the future. >smarter people of both sexes take longer to become sexually active ? Tfw genius
>>2520 First bleeding doesn't mean ready to bare children. It takes time for the equipment to fully form and be able to carry life without serious internal damage. Birth isn't a simple and clean process, it's RIP AND TEAR even on an adult woman. >I don't know if I want to save my own people Lets be clear here, I'm not saying fuck my own people. I just don't know if I want them to be saved. I was thinking of the mouse utopia and how after so long the females were so damaged they couldn't bare children and what they did have died from being neglected. I look at most women today and see that same anti-motherhood damage. Gen Z should be the cut off point where women just abandon their children if they can even give birth to them. Free love > Gen X > Millenials > Gen Z is about where the mice utopia suicided. I think of how the people have been raised to just consume and wallow in filth. It's like Satan raised a population to be as sick and depraved as humanly possible. How do you come back from that? How do you as a group redeem yourselves from such hideous crimes like filling the world with more subhumans then it can handle then submitting to your inferiors? The entire group aren't bad, there are extremely rare exceptions who deserve better. But I don't make exceptions for smart chimps so should I make exceptions for the less depraved?
>>2522 The most important aspect of marriage isn't any of those things. It's creating a spider web of connections between your people. If your tribe are all intermarried and connected you treat them all like family. Marriage in it's base form has nothing to do with romance, very little to do with children and even less to do with liking each other. Two households wishing to join forces married into each other. It's a shitty example but Game of Thrones has an accurate portrayal of how marriage should work. Marriage for the non-elites is simply a meme the same way niggers wearing Nike trainers makes them think they're athletes. It's larping if your community knows you are in a relationship with someone and won't let you break that without severe punishment.
>>2524 >It's creating a spider web of connections between your people. If your tribe are all intermarried and connected you treat them all like family I definitely wouldn't deny this aspect either >It's larping if your community knows you are in a relationship with someone and won't let you break that without severe punishment. Honestly the whole family unit and state of communities is a wreck right now. It's unbelievable how many marriages end within five or so years nowadays.
>>2490 Doesn't matter. He's right about much, if only since him being a Jew means he can see things a goy denies. >>2496 There isn't a single society of note that isn't either a monarchy ("rule of one") or obligarchy ("rule of the few"). Democracy is a meme. >>2498 >Best Nothing more than striver taIk you have to appeal to something like "best" then it's obvious you're just a striver. One of the best insights of Neoreaction is that many of the problems of the modern world link to having an open system of power. If power is open to all, then all public life becomes a struggle for power between too many ideological and demographic factions, stirred up by rooted institutions, mass media and oligarchs operating via proxies. We have enough material prosperity and organisational hangover from older eras for this not to have broken out into open civil war...for now. Monarchy is a much better system for countering this. Since they are hereditary, they are closed systems of power, I am the emperor, since my father was such, you owe me taxes and obedience to my laws. That is the end of the conversation. Power becomes contractual but not as a "partnership of equals" meme, it is based on a chain of relationships and personal obligations that stretch upwards, eventually reaching the king, who is answerable to his ancestors, his successors, and to God. You might get the occasional Nero but mostly you don’t get Crowned Stalins. There is no incentive for kings to set up elaborate systems of surveillance either, since they are already the king. They are secure in their role, granted legitimacy by inheritance and the Grace of God.
>>2527 >There is no incentive for kings to set up elaborate systems of surveillance either, since they are already the king. They are secure in their role, granted legitimacy by inheritance and the Grace of God. I don't know about this. If there is a need for surveillance, a king's gonna use it. The Russian Empire, for example, had the Okhrana as its secret police to root out anarchists and communists. There may be a degree of stability in a good dynasty, but I don't think the "Grace of God" or "legitimacy" will stop anyone who isn't a total lemming from trying to kill them. >Nothing more than striver taIk you have to appeal to something like "best" then it's obvious you're just a striver. I'm not sure what you mean by "striver", but I don't think it is impossible to look for the "best". What we need to realize is that democracy is not the way to look for the ideal leader. It would not be that difficult, I think, to set up a system that does not involve competition over power and does not give the irrational masses a choice in the matter. We need a system which strives to cultivate and elevate the most capable and promising elements to positions where they can rule.
>>2528 If you just want "the best" like the proper Nietzchean you are to rule then you might as well stick with Globohomo and chop your dick off. Going by reliable measures like educational performance, "the best" populations where men like Bill Gates or David Reich come from overall support Globohomo or at least have no opposition to it as long as they aren't inconvenienced.
>>2530 Clearly your idea of "the best" is entirely different from my own, as Globohomo and trannies are the antithesis of this.
>>2530 Bill Gates was never the best, same way Steve Jobs was never the best. He was a marketer who found a nerd he could leech off of. The nerd did 90% of the work and the other 10% was back stabbing and backroom meetings to get contracts. They were the best at jewing people and that's all they had to offer.
>>2531 Too bad, the Tranny who LARPs are a lesbo is Current Year manifestation of the Nietzschean Overman who rejects tradition and follows his Will To Power. >>2532 >was never the best Oh, and how do you show that? It's amusing so many of the Will To Power crowd in the "Dissident Right" get so indignant at elite misbehavior that inconveniences them or is degenerate, when if anything that's a strong showing of said elite's Will To Power. I don't even need to bring in Bill Gates. I can point out how ever since the French Revolution the intelligentsia has always backed "Leftist" suggestions. The ones who can certainly be called "the best."
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Pedos get the rope >b-but muh nature Every degenerate has an excuse, nice try, CIA
>>2545 >muh "X gets the rope" meme Have you ever given anyone the rope once in your life?
>>2544 Money and influence doesn't make you the best. I can get a shit load of people to fuck my wife, but that doesn't make me better than a man who makes his wife dress conservatively and avoid attention now does it? Those people cannot be called the best just because you hear about them. If they count as the best to you then tranny Jazz and Will Smith's son must be some of the greatest humans in history.
>>2550 >money and influence doesn't make you the best >he goes on about a NIgger celebrity's faggot son A Nigger like Will Smith isn't the one who pushes society. He's a trained chimp who follows his script. The ones who do push society have such control over it that they have effectively unlimited money. And trust me, they're the sorts who'd go to Harvard decades ago.
>>2552 >Jews give Jews fake diplomas which makes them the best. You view everything through a Jew lens then ask why the Jews are the best.
>>2546 Have you ever fucked a kid?
>>2544 >the Nietzschean Overman who rejects tradition and follows his Will To Power. Top kek imagine thinking that trannies are anything but what Nietzsche would call a “Last Man”. They’re firmly rooted in leftist slave morality as well. >>2545 Nature is non-different from God. When it comes to a conflict between human convention and the true nature of reality, Nature will always triumph. It is unavoidable. No matter how much someone protests, deep down they will prefer to marry an untainted loli wife over used-goods “stronk independent wamen”
>>2454 >I can't even watch anime anymore as I've become more redpilled. It seems so shallow, I can't help but seeing most entertainment as escapism for wagecucks, and it is so sad thinking of what Japan was in contrast to what it is now. Read pic related and learn the truth about anime and otaku. Otaku culture is basically part of the creation of a pseudo-Japan manufactured from US-made material. Japanese right-wingers despise these people, as its largely a product of post-war Americanization and consumerism. Postmodern degeneracy at its highest.
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>>2580 Do you have a copy of it you could share? Getting people aware of the slant eyed menace would be a good direction to take.
>>2596 Thanks anon, I'll read it later
I unironically still browse /tv/ and /v/ because i still play old school vidya (with some recent ones from time to time) and some mid 2000 TV shows. You can start the shit flinging now.
>>2630 watch*
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1278311315916931075?s=21 https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2020/07/01/mayor-durkan-issues-emergency-order-regarding-capitol-hill-protest-zone/ The CHAZ LARP shows that rightie folk activism is a waste. CHAZ was an op to discredit secession by associating it with subhumans and degenerates who aid Globohomo.
>>2721 I don't know if this necessarily shows that activism by our people is a "waste". What they were doing was stupid in the first place, and I'm not even sure if they were attempting to actually "secede" given the fact that they were a tiny patch of land in the middle of Seattle. We have our own coward problem, but I expect than any similar right-wing / WN project that aimed at making an autonomous community would go about it in a much different way and at least be prepared to defend it.
https://twitter.com/Enopoletus/status/1277381982184452097 >George Floyd riots permanently refuted the "optics" meme. Optics don't matter. Media treatment does. He's right.
>>2739 Optics in regards to getting good publicity from the media is worthless and only leads to an emasculated movement. Optics as a means of gaining the support of the people is far more useful.
>>2739 Not really. It's been repeatedly shown that minorities who are well-funded and connected carry out revolutions. Be they the American or French one. Most of the colonists didn't even care about King George enough to fight.
>>2739 >>2742 I said it in another thread earlier, optics in one sense is merely a method of those who are not in power to prostitute themselves out to the masses, attempting to appeal to their sensibilities as implanted by the media and government, and desperately trying to look good according to what has been determined to be good according to the law. The tweet is right that optics don't really matter when you're faced with massive, wealthy and ZOG-supported institutions that have a reach unlike anything we could ever imagine. In another sense optics is not purposely shooting yourself in the foot when you could avoid certain controversies. In this sense I have no issue with optics. Optics-cucking is when you dilute / kosherize the content of the message to appease the Jews. This must always be avoided.
>>2745 It's the difference between "Great Man Theory" and the Marxist-derived "history from below" type view. I think that the former, like you seem to as well, is the only one that is in accordance with reality. The masses do not create new technology, great works of art, nor forge empires. They are merely objects in the hands of small minority of elites. I'm sure that economic forces and material conditions do to an extent shape history, I don't think anyone could deny this, but Marxists make it absolute with their "materialist conception of history"
here are my unpopular opinions +christfash, paganfash or islamfash better than atheist WN +white people are overrated +Extermination of lower quality whites very good +white nationalism as a movement is a joke/failure - lumping all indo-european races together is wrong - "white" miscegenation bad - jewish infiltration possible - WN's are usually amerimutts -no proper theory other than "huwite power" -they promote "huwite" equality -there is no "huwite" history, amerimutt +genocide fantasies bad +hitler and mussolini should've made peace with stalin +tarrant and the other guys were funny but their attacks were not beneficial in the long run. +America bad -not a real nation (basically a whiter brazil) -i don't expect any fascist revolution occuring there -nigger mentality +economical materialism useful +hitler should've nationalized all large business +both fascist and natsoc need update -Nationalsocialism needs to expand it's economical theory in order to appeal to more normals -Fascism needs some (((internationalism))) as a pragmatic move in order to prevent a premature failure of the revolution.
>>2769 You honestly can't call yourself a Fascist or National Socialist and not be Anti-American in some way or another. Hitler himself derided American culture as mongrelized and Negroid.
>>2773 If by America is meant the ideas surrounding the foundation of this country like 'Enlightenment' ideas, democracy and the like, not to mention the current Jewish-controlled state itself, I can't help but agree as an American myself. Like the other poster >>2769, America isn't even really a nation, it's a mutted-up amalgam rapidly descending down the route of Brazilification. We need to make our transition from decadent Republic to glorious Empire >>2769 White Nationalism is becoming more prominent is necessarily a result of the race-struggle becoming global. National identities, especially in America, are essentially meaningless or very tenuous, and there are numerous groups of White people which have came together and formed essentially a new White nation in the New World, for better or for worse. Unfortunately the idea of America is tied in with a bunch of subversive ideas like democracy, freedom, and the like. I don't think it's entirely a lost cause though, in fact I believe that if America is not liberated from Jewish power, no other nation will ever free itself either. I think your depiction of White Nationalism is a bit too (((Hollywood))) derived though. Obviously the stereotypes exist for a reason, but to characterize the ideologies as nothing but "huwite power" (>implying this is bad), racist liberalism and the like is painting with too broad of a brush, and anyone who studies the history of the movement can see this as plain as day. >+christfash, paganfash or islamfash better than atheist WN >Paganfash, atheist WN better than Christfash or Islamfash FTFY
And now for the ultimate unpopular opinions for here. The ultimate problems with advocates of Whites or "White Identity" politics is the following: >Refusing to acknowledge any part of White Behavior played a role in the coming of the current mess without being self-congratulationatory (see "pathological altruism"). >The cuckservative idea that you should accept the same premise as your enemy and therefore argue with cuck ethics. Yapping about muh White Genocide, thinking pulling a Gotcha! (like pointing out that wanting mass non-White immigration but complaining about colonialism is hypocritical) will win something of note. None is the plan of a man who expects victory, merely a man who already knows he lost and is just begging a place to hide and cry in.
Fascism, or any ultra-auth ideology for that matter, is too much of a gamble to justify willing implementation. Communist regimes, Russia, monarchies and shit Roman emperors are sufficient evidence.
>>2785 Monarchies have a pretty sound track-record over literally millennia. Commies are basically the only ones with a substantial amount of blood on their hands when compared with the amount of time they were in power.
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>>2784 >Refusing to acknowledge any part of White Behavior played a role in the coming of the current mess without being self-congratulationatory (see "pathological altruism"). Looking at the healthy behavior of white tribes and ethnicities in pre-Christian antiquity, I don't think our current predicament was necessarily inevitable or wholly stemmed from White behavior. The Greeks, for example, seemed to think that everyone who wasn't them was a subhuman barbarian, for example. The demise of White master morality was the real beginning of this problem where we begin to pity and sympathize with both White and non-White subhumans and saw them as in some way equals (spiritual or otherwise). I blame Abrahamism. I agree with you completely on your second point though. Never meet cuck ethics with cuck ethics. The bigger cuck (invariably the leftist) will always win. This is why when someone is crying about "stolen land" the only way out of it is to appeal to the right of conquest. They can easily turn this around to the Great Replacement itself, of course, but let's be real, if we refuse as people to preserve ourselves, according to the Laws of Nature we have forfeited our right to exist.
>>2785 You're only 56% White and filled with trannies.
>>2788 Look up Alexander the Great. He was the prototypical White cuck. Complete wjth demanding his men to marry foreign women
>>2793 Failing instincts are lamentable, but perhaps excusable in ancient times, as they were a product of ignorance. It is today in particular that being okay with miscegenation or even engaging in it oneself is inexcusable, as we know for a fact that it will lead to lower quality offspring, whether we're talking in terms of beauty, intelligence or anything else. Your white cuck narrative, by and large, doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
>>2793 >Alexander the Great. He was the prototypical White cuck. Complete wjth demanding his men to marry foreign women The way you describe it doesn't do history justice. Do you happen to have your knowledge from Colin Farrell's faggot impression of him? Alexander might in fact have been one of the first proponents of ethnoglobe. He wanted to spread the Greek culture all over the world, like literally. He was a visionary and like all true geniuses walking that thin line they sometimes go too far. He thought Greek ethnoglobe was only achievable by interbreeding with his former enemies he deemed worthy to that end and which turned out to too big in number to subjugate without some form of cooperation. Mind you, Iranians are Aryans so they are not some lesser shitskin race and of course he believed the Greek (male, superior) traits would be dominant in the offspring over time. Of course his plans are debatable and his men, for various reasons, didn't believe in them, either. The common thinking back then was this as summed up perfectly by Spartan king Polydoros. >If you worship your enemy you are defeated. >If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved. >If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed. You can think of Alexander what you like but he was the White man closest to realising ethnoglobe and you're just text on the internet.
>>2814 >Mind you, Iranians are Aryans so they are not some lesser shitskin race This. And this would be especially true prior to Arabization.
>>2812 >admits Alexander was fine with miscegenation >he was based and redpilled Yawn. >>2814 >defending cultural and blood mongrels >going Iranians wuz White n sheet We have Iranian DNA going back milleniums and before Islam. They weren't White.
>>2864 Many, many Iranians to this day are White. Likewise it was the same in many parts of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Aryans ruled them and constituted the elite. You can joke and say “WE WUZ KANGZ” but we literally wuz kangz in that region
>>2864 In terms of being Aryan, not as white as we or not (forget the current browing trend in fake science), what was good enough for the Third Reich scientists is good enough for me edgelord Fun fact: I didn't even defend mixing of races or rather sub-races. Learn to read, it helps
>>2367 We need Jesus (Just not in the American Rainbow Protestant or Bergoglio Heretic Catholic way) A lot of Fascism/Third Positionism movements in non-Western countries will probably have to be more friendly to the private sector. Owen Benjamin is a swell dude. Vox Day might be wrong on Fascism and National Socialism, but right on nearly everything else. Nietzsche is a modernist and most people who swear by him are just borderline nihilistic edgelords who want to LARP like they have a sound basis for their Fuck you Mom/Fuck You Dad anti-Christian stance. Anyone who thinks that following a man who's train of thinking lead to mental degeneration and Turin's horse should be mandatory is following a red herring and a Jewish trick. If the choice was between China or ZOGSA, I'd buy a Huawei phone and go Chungkuo all the way. The place is communist in name only, most of the anti-China talking points are spewed by anti-White degenerates who are hired by NTD, and anyone whose an enemy of both George Soros, Alan Dershowitz, Steve Bannon, and Jared Kushner is alright in my book. (Methinks we need to get familiar with the New Tang Dynasty question. Operation Yellowbird funneled in Maoists, Triad members, Marxists, and Chinese cucks into Western nations with the full backing of the CIA. They've since setup shop and performed something akin to what the kikes are doing with the ADL using NTD. They may or may not be connected, but they all agree and are pushing for globohomo. That should be enough to reject them) Fascist Ideology is entirely compatible with Christianity and can only function with a spiritual component tied to it. Any attempt to claim otherwise will simply lead to a contingent authoritarianism that is either always at the brink or doomed to fail (The major flaw of Singapore lovers from a Fascist Perspective) Most vocal Asatru/Dharma/Indo-European Religion pushers are not interested in it for it's actual spiritual content, but are pushing it as political ideology masquerading as theology to justify their anti-Christianity. They are all functionally atheists/agnostics. Actual pagans don't waste 90% of their online presence posting book length anti-Christian screeds, cringeworthy Nietszche Noobermensch tracts, or lame attempts to own the Christians with shitty arguments and false equivalencies. The most effective fascists are the ones not posting on publicly available imageboards that can be co-opted by federal agents, federal assets, or 5th/6th columns like ADL or NTD. They're either actually prepping for Race War/Balk or they're joining/making militias that aren't NRA style Gun Cosplay. The people protesting the lockdowns last May are infinitely superior to the controlled opposition Alt-Right shills who denounced them or the people calling them cucks here. They're practically the entire reason why most of the Niggermania is staying holed up in Democrat run cities. Ironmarch was a better forum than this board and Atomwaffen was always shit after it's first iteration failed because they allowed a FUCKING MUSLIM in their ranks. Satanism is always gay and can never be viable. Anime, memeposters, Bloodsports, small business owners, odd book writers, and gamers have done more to push the Third Position than most of the Edgelords who frequent here. Also done more to save the West (fuck you, republican party!) Sweden is less cucked than Canada. The Purity Spiral is a board full of faggotry that thinks that National Socialism is some super special awesome OC Hitler made no steal that is primarily run by a questionable cynic (Butch Deadlift/Rip Steakface), a drunkard who thinks nothing could ever be his fault (Kimball), and some loser that wants to justify the false view of National Socialism that the Old White Nationalist Movement believes in (Karl Radl) all while shitting on anything that isn't NS or radical communism like a teenage school girl. Atheism is gay. Floki got told by Odin who told him that he needed Jesus. The post-Rockwell White Nationalist Movement was a mistake that made a lot of insightful books. Anyone proclaiming them to be infallible prophets is a retard or a fed. The only people in this sphere that currently has anything interesting going for them that could become viable as a solution are Billy Roper and his Balk Right and the Propertarians. Fuck USG, break it up now. Europe will do fine and recover because the people are waking up faster and don't have the hang-ups that come with muh liberty, while also not having anti-christian hang-ups, even amongst the pagans. Americans have a lot more baggage to unravel. Anyone using SIEGE as a replacement Bible is bound to become a tranny like Digibro/Diginee or Contrapoints. Read the Bible, or the Havamal, or the Bhagavad Gita, or Mein Kampf. Any of the above serve a better purpose as foundational text compared to SIEGE. Tarrant did absolutley nothing wrong. All of the good posters left and made Bitchute or Telegram channels. This board is now a honeypot.
>>2922 Your cringe interpretation of Nietzsche made me stop reading your post.
>>2922 I like you lad. Sure I'd enjoy chatting over a pint or two with you some day. Godspeed.
>>2922 >AWD allowed a FUCKING MUSLIM in their ranks he was no mudshit before but "converted" while he was a member and they thought he just had a phase and was LARP'ing >Bitchute or Telegram channels. vs >This board is now a honeypot. irony fail, more people have been vanned using supposedly safe telegram than image boards who can be used for anything by design, that was never different and is part of the show
>>2922 >Fascist Ideology is entirely compatible with Christianity and can only function with a spiritual component tied to it. Any attempt to claim otherwise will simply lead to a contingent authoritarianism that is either always at the brink or doomed to fail It really isn't since as pointed out here already Fascism is rooted in occultism and pantheism/panentheism. >(The major flaw of Singapore lovers from a Fascist Perspective) Singapore is just a consoomer land.
>>2936 Fascism in itself is not tied to any religion.
>>2939 It is when you have a proper knowledge of its foundations.
>>2936 Singapore is still much better than India and as a streetpooper fag I'd rather live in SG
>>2939 It's pretty clear though that there are certain religions that could be seen to be completely incompatible with fascism. If we start talking about National Socialism in particular it becomes even more undeniable.

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