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Christian Fascist Thread Blackshirt 05/22/2020 (Fri) 19:36:33 ID: 9df816 No.181
Am I the only Christian here?
Integralist? from what I've heard those were the christian fascists
I'm not a Christian but I have nothing but respect for the Iron Guard and Codreanu.
Presente Although I believe that the church is in need of a reform
im pretty sure theres a lot of christians here, or at least were before people got lost in the migration. theyre awfully civil people. pleasant to share a board with. t. Vedic New Ager
>>265 We’ve had less Christians as time has passed for better or for worse. Pagans and Ragnar Redbeard-types bullied them off the board.
>>266 Young Pagans tend to act like vegans What worries me the most is that they appear less like Pagans and more like simple anti-christians with a viking aesthetic. They identity is based not on what they believe but instead on what they do not, like AntiFa. As long as this characterizes most of their movement, cooperation will be impossible. Although, they all behave once Codreanu enters the picture, so that gives me some hope, as this childish animosity has no real reason to exist and I am sure (((them))) are happy to hear us fight among fascists. Still, we cannot obligate them into cooperating with us, we must concentrate on revitalizing christianity, if they are reasonable people they will come and offer their friendship, if that never happens, and they are unreasonable, then it would mean we would have gained nothing from an alliance to begin with. We have nothing to lose.
>>292 There’s definitely a type of “pagan” that is pure LARP, especially on imageboards. Think of the worst of the pagans as equivalent to “Deus vult” LARPers. Oftentimes though non-pagans focus too much on the worst of them. Pagans are actually an essential part of the modern white nationalist / fascist movement – for example it was a pagan who coined the 14 words (David Lane), pagans have set up communes like at Volksberg (Jost Turner) and it was been pagans who have been the tip of the spear in actively resisting ZOG – many of the members of The Order such as Robert Jay Mathews. Christianity, especially in America, is a deadly enemy of the white race. Utterly cucked, always on the defensive, always cucking to the left, preaching “love”, “forgiveness”, “compassion”, “tolerance”
>>292 >Young Pagans tend to act like vegans What worries me the most is that they appear less like Pagans and more like simple anti-christians with a viking aesthetic. They identity is based not on what they believe but instead on what they do not, like AntiFa. As long as this characterizes most of their movement, cooperation will be impossible. It's the inevitable result of two competing religions, both of which have ideological and historical reasons to oppose each other. The arguments of course have been done to death across countless different threads and boards, so I won't bring up either side's arguments. However, in my view as a pagan, Christians come off as defining themselves by their anti-paganism and anti-atheism just as much as pagan arguments do. >Although, they all behave once Codreanu enters the picture, so that gives me some hope, as this childish animosity has no real reason to exist and I am sure (((them))) are happy to hear us fight among fascists. This bit, as far as I am concerned, has nothing to do with his religion. Rather, it has everything to do with his heroism. No matter your religion, it is quite clear to all the Codreanu was a noble and heroic man till the end, so I, at the very least, must behave because of my respect for him. >Still, we cannot obligate them into cooperating with us, we must concentrate on revitalizing christianity, if they are reasonable people they will come and offer their friendship, if that never happens, and they are unreasonable, then it would mean we would have gained nothing from an alliance to begin with. We have nothing to lose. I am certainly willing to engage in an alliance with white Christians, because I understand that the defeat of the Jews and the restoration of our folks and our nations come before religion.
>>181 Those are 36 men forming the cross, or 3 squads. One squad short of forming a platoon. I wonder how many people would shit themselves if Christians started to form Cross Platoons in a liberal western country today.
>>294 >Oftentimes though non-pagans focus too much on the worst of them. The same goes for those who attack christianity, one should asume that the American —and modern— version of anything should not be used as a representative model, on the same way that the vocal, immature minority should not be used to assume pagan behavior. >>297 >I am certainly willing to engage in an alliance with white Christians, because I understand that the defeat of the Jews and the restoration of our folks and our nations come before religion I am sure anyone with more than a handful of braincells will come to that conclusion. Even if you see no reason to keep christianity around in the long-run it is strategically essential to put one of the biggest institutions on your side and keep it from being used against you; the revitalization of christianity and its subsequent use as a defense against modernity is within everybody's interests. So I would rather keep this tired argument for later.
Yes.
>>715 Oh sorry, accidentally posted without a password.
Dont let these people bother you. Just look at them.
>>721 Do you really want to get into the game of posting dumb pics back and forth? I fear you will lose.
>>723 >last pic >childrens whiter than the mother AND the father So the mother cheated on the father with a russian.
There was a lot of factional infighting, everyone is scattered- I only just found my way here yesterday. We've lost more bunkers than Siegfried. Why do the Germanic Pagan folk always fight with the Christian folk? There were lots of theological positions within the Reich and broader Fascist movement. The last thing we need is another Judean people's front/peoples front of Judea actually we don't need anything Judean
>>730 Bad timing, we're on our way to 8chan.moe/fascist. It's a bit more active.
>>730 People who just discovered something tend towards aggressiveness and loudness, think of the « We get it, you vape », it is to be expected from a young doctrine. I hope that as they mature they become more civil. As much as I would like to participate and defend my stance I believe it is better for a long-therm alliance to let them effervesce for a while, is not that they would listen to anyone but themselves anyways.
>>733 How many times are we gonna move ffs.
>>749 Hopefully not for a while now. We're set up pretty strong for the time being, I think. We have this place, for one, which at minimum is a good bunker or even secondary location for those who don't like 8chan.moe, and then we also got back all of our threads from Julay on that location. Hoppe-sama was a mistake retrospectively, but I guess everyone felt cheated by that, even beyond just us (Tengureich, etc)
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>>730 >Why do the Germanic Pagan folk always fight with the Christian folk? A small nitpick from me here, but it goes beyond merely Germanic pagans. The reasons for this are many, but the main ones are that Christianity is of course a foreign religion and not just a foreign religion, but one that teaches a type of morality that is directly detrimental to our survival as a people, i.e. slave morality. The lowly are good, the weak and meek are the good. The strong, proud, mighty and the like are reviled and cast as evil. This is fundamentally the basis of all mainstream politics today, which are obsessed with catering to the weak, depraved and inferior. I view Christianity as a form of poison that is killing our people. It is part of a larger Abrahamic family of thought, Semitic in character. It teaches you to be a doormat. I believe that David Lane summed up the predicament we're in perfectly: <1. Any religion or teaching which denies the Natural Laws of the Universe is false. <3. God and religion are distinct, separate and often conflicting concepts. Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. Religion is the creation of mortals, therefore predestined to fallibility. Religion may preserve or destroy a People, depending on the structure given by its progenitors, the motives of its agents and the vagaries of historical circumstances. https://archive.org/stream/88Precepts_937/88Precepts_djvu.txt Christianity, already a false religion, has become a destructive force and obstacle to our survival as a people Not only does Christianity set itself up for racial suicide, it sets its own God up for suicide by shifting the center of gravity of life out of life and into some mysterious “beyond”, into the afterlife, into nothingness. First monotheism demythologizes and desacralizes the world, saying that the nature pagans saw as alive with gods and spirits is dead, and then it consumes itself and falls victim to itself. The world desacralized there is no longer any place for the sacred, the Jewish god is dead, but his values live on in other forms of Jewish-influenced political strands like Marxism and liberalism. Not to mention that the concept of Hell is an obvious cope for betas and weaklings. lf you don’t obey the Jewish god you’re gonna burn in fire FOREVER, so don’t be bad! If you refrain from doing what we don’t want you do, you’re going to live in a paradise AFTER YOU DIE”. This strikes me as an obvious creation of humans.
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>>830 >shifting the center of gravity of life out of life and into some mysterious “beyond” >If you refrain from doing what we don’t want you do, you’re going to live in a paradise AFTER YOU DIE That is the concept of time and future presented in a spiritual way. >If you act retarded now, a higher being(time itself) will punish you This extended to your whole life. But I guess if you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, you can make all of it sound bad by putting jewish in front of it.
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>>852 Let's not pretend that 99% of actual practitioners of Abrahamic understand the idea of heaven and hell in this manner. >But I guess if you don't want to take responsibility for your actions, you can make all of it sound bad by putting jewish in front of it. I don't want to take responsibility for my actions? Lol wut? Christianity isn't bad because just because it's Jewish, but this is obviously an important part. First and foremost it's bad because it's false and undermines our people with slave morality.
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Which church is the closest to Christ's/God's true word? Ignoring their current current state, I am only interested in theory for now. Second, wat must be done about the (((Vatican)))? Its infiltration in obvious, but the Catholic population is not just going to change their fate just because you trow a bunch of buzzwords at them. >>730 >>830 >>852 >>854 I have nothing against friendly discussion, but this is a Christian thread, not the fifth Pagan thread in the catalog. I would take this discussion to >>639 if you are so obsessed in divisive activities
>>872 >but this is a Christian thread, not the fifth Pagan thread in the catalog. This is a good point, we do have a lot of pagan threads up. t. pagan
>>872 >Which church is the closest to Christ's/God's true word? I think that's a dynamic-situation question Anon. Satan obviously targets the biggest targets, causing division, strife, and embarrassment that eventually leads to the end of that group. God also obviously allows this to happen, probably to ensure little kingdoms of men don't get too deeply rooted in his Church, the literal Bride of Christ. Christ said, "You will know them by their fruits." Groups who are clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, casting out demons, healing the sick, raising the dead & loving one another, and doing it all in the name of Jesus Christ are a reasonably safe bet as being the current 'closest' to God's true Word. So it depends on the times. Derek Prince was one man in the recent past who did all these things. He wasn't really a part of any 'church' though many would probably label him as Pentecostal. One thing's for certain (for what it's really worth): the Orthodox Church has literally been the longest-enduring Christian Church through history, and unlike the Roman Church hasn't attempted to my knowledge to manipulates nations and states during their roughly 2'000 years of existence. They simply regularly congregate together, share the Word and their rituals, and break bread together. In a word, /comfy/.
I'm not a Christian but I've no issues with them if they are race-conscious and will fight at my side against globohomo. When Christianity became Roman state religion it became also kind of loaded with the empires still existing old raw strength and thus de-pozzed for thousand years. I think I like that period. People will say but muh old gods and I like the Roman pantheon but the truth is paganism was weak and had nothing to counter the new faith. Far more pagans became Christians by choice rather than being forced. The Germanic tribes that conquered the British Isles for example gave up their old religion all on their own so who am I judge.
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>>888 Well, at the very least we can be passing out condoms along with our food Anon. While the Christian church used to take a strong stance against globohomo, the gateway drug for all things -ism took a strong hold on us a while back, and we now entertain faggot 'ministers' and even worse, lesbians. So we may not have much to offer in that department by way of support for obviously Biblical morality. Truly strange circumstances tbh. Satan and his minions at work again. also: >those literally-hitler digits. True Christianity is in my opinion, not only the truth in fact, but is literally the only hope out there. Both for individual's salvations eternally, but also for nations to endure evil. But the basic message that this entire universe is temporal is a sobering point. Placing your hopes in this place is misguided to say the least.
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>>893 >But the basic message that this entire universe is temporal is a sobering point. Placing your hopes in this place is misguided to say the least. I see nothing necessarily sobering about the fact that this universe is temporal. It is simply a fact of existence. Reality is not defined by states of affairs that are static, immutable or permanent. This is just the nature of things. Reality is essentially process, movement, becoming, change, transformation, etc. Like Heraclitus said, panta rhei, everything flows. As more and more is learned about Nature, the clearer it becomes that Christian conceptions of the nature of things are just as misguided as primitive man seeing anthropomorphic deities as the agents at work beyond thunder, lightning, earthquakes, the motion of the planets, etc. These are clearly today no good for anything but poetic or allegorical ways to refer to these phenomenon. As time has passed the absurdity of a personal God has slowly been revealed as well when the idea that the rest of nature was created merely for the purpose of serving man was BTFO first by Copernicus with his death-blow to the geocentric dogma, but then Darwin to the anthropocentric worldview. Ever more clearly are we compelled by reflection to recognize that God is not to be placed over against the material world as an external being. The perfect God of goodness and love is laughable in face of the fact that nature is defined by the most brutal struggle and violence, or that the nature of man, like the rest of creation, is not static, it is evolving, and is not at the center of creation. Cosmotheism is the only worldview that can reconcile all of this and still show man his Purpose.
You don't have an answer where "Leftism" ultimately comes from. https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1270007244994863104 https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1270009608321601536 https://twitter.com/hocmountain/status/1270373350066597888 https://www.newstatesman.com/dominion-making-western-mind-tom-holland-review Tell us the big difference between destroying pagan places and tearing down statues of Confederates or Mao's antics. Also, Abrahamism is the father of Leftism.
>>905 >Abrahamism is the father of Leftism. This is the most retarded take I've heard this week, and I visited /dup/ a few days ago. All Abrahamic religions (especially Judaism and Islam) are right or far-right, even perversions like Mormonism. Tradition, pro-hierarchy, pro-order, hell they're all famous for killing gays and keeping women in their place.
>>922 So is Stalin.
>>922 All that and you still don't have an answer to how Western Leftism came to be. Or how every last one of those is "univeralist" in one or another (even the Old Testament has a woman get leprosy for her complaints about Moses miscegenating). Or how the Old Testament history has been discredited by actual science (see the utter failure to find evidence of the Exodus).
>>922 Abrahamism is the father of leftist, period. It's a hard truth to come to as a Christian, I'm sure, but it's true. What is Abrahamism? Abrahamism is a term which describes a handful of religions, ideologies and currents of thought which follow ideas of linear / vectorial views of history, possibility of redemption or salvation, polarization between good and evil, moral universalism, moral absolutism, etc. They are ideologies which permit no pluralism of thought, they are totalitarian in the most negative of senses. Slave morality is likewise common to them all, as are the seeds of egalitarianism in spiritual equality. All leftist presuppositions about reality (egalitarianism, guilt complexes, slave morality, moralizing despite having no basis for their beliefs) are all due to Christianity. Leftism is built on the corpse of Yahweh. Even Friedrich Engels could recognize the similarities between the worker's movement and early Christianity: >The history of early Christianity has notable points of resemblance with the modern working-class movement. Like the latter, Christianity was originally a movement of oppressed people: it first appeared as the religion of slaves and emancipated slaves, of poor people deprived of all rights, of peoples subjugated or dispersed by Rome. Both Christianity and the workers' socialism preach forthcoming salvation from bondage and misery; Christianity places this salvation in a life beyond, after death, in heaven; socialism places it in this world, in a transformation of society. Both are persecuted and baited, their adherents are despised and made the objects of exclusive laws, the former as enemies of the human race, the latter as enemies of the state, enemies of religion, the family, social order. And in spite of all persecution, nay, even spurred on by it, they forge victoriously, irresistibly ahead. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894/early-christianity/
>>929 >All that and you still don't have an answer to how Western Leftism came to be. Mostly resulting from the Renaissance movement and so-called Enlightenment age, prompting revolt against long-lasting Christian belief system. >Or how every last one of those is "univeralist" in one or another That's a ploy the degenerate churches made (and mostly don't believe) to gain obedience of hell-bound people. What the fuck is the point of Hell if no-one goes there? Small bits of 'oh but what about the time that ...' doesn't disprove the bigger picture. >Or how the Old Testament history has been discredited by actual science Irrelevant regardless of if true or not. Post-1920s science is a jew.
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>>936 >Post-1920s science is a jew. Pre-1920s science already BTFO all Abrahamic religions. National Socialism is the only path forward.
>>942 Not enough for Hitler to get rid of it
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>>905 >Comes to a Literal Christian Thread just to start fights >Just after Christians and Pagans showing respect for one-another >While using somewhat cookie-cutter language Are you a D&C agent?
>>957 He has the entire world controlled by International Jews against him, and still managed to nearly succeed in doing so. >>958 Unlikely, their efforts are spent mostly on places with more activity especially right now, like /pnd/ on 8kunt where they are currently trying to goad Anons into going and starting shit with the rioters/terrorist subversives.
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>>958 >Are you a D&C agent? It's important to address, regardless, I think. If something is subversive or has potentially suspect links, it needs to be discussed
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>>971 Organized? Yes. But is reasonable to believe the idea of a lone individual just following his nature and promoting divisive doctrines, completely disregarding the « Unity » of Fascism under egoistic goals, in other words, he is just immature, the word « Agent » was a bit too strong, at most he only sees himself like one. >>1003 I think someone already said it, that the church is a big target, so subverting and controlling it is step 0. The way (((They))) work is not some cartoonish pure-evil way, they take what is already there—Being followers of Lucifer; they are unable to create anything themselves—, be it benign or good, and then twist it in half-truths and fallacies until it works for them. This makes it difficult to get rid of subverting elements as when you boil it down they are useful or desirable. Would you get rid of the entire field of psychology just because Jews used it as a theme-park for decades? Physics? Art? The same with Christianity, like it or not, Christianity must be on our side if we are to pretend to have an opportunity to win, we must appropriate it, deny Them any ground to stand on and use it against Them. >Nietzsche If you understood what he mean you would not use him as a « Christcucks BTFO! ».
Jesus was a Kike.
>>1007 >Would you get rid of the entire field of psychology just because Jews used it as a theme-park for decades? Physics? Art? The same with Christianity The problem with this reasoning is that the fields / disciplines of psychology, art and physics all exist independently of a historical link with Judaism, unlike Christianity. We can never forget the the great body of Christian ethical doctrines which are accepted by nearly all the churches but which conflict with White spirituality and the needs for White survival, such as the Sermon on the Mount; and of the body of Old Testament and its Jewish mythology — such as the creation myth of Genesis; the “chosen people” myth, and Isaiah’s ravings against all non-Jews, together with his prophecies that the Jews will eventually rule the world and all other races will serve them — which comes along with most versions of Christianity. Regardless, if one, despite all of this, must remain Christian, I am not going to sperg out if they are pro-white and do not derail our movement with their religion
>>1078 That is why all proper Christian organizations pay more attention to the New Testament and Jesus Christ, he and not jewish myths is the center-piece of all. I think only American so-called « Christians » emphasize jews, everyone else sees with as « The had their opportunity and they killed the Son of God; they choose their path as being against Christ, therefore they are against God, they are Satan » So, no Christian Fascists will ever defend Judaism
>>1084 Jesus was a Jew.
>>1084 >That is why all proper Christian organizations pay more attention to the New Testament and Jesus Christ, he and not jewish myths is the center-piece of all. The New Testament is undoubtedly just more Jewish mythmaking though. The two are connected. For example we see in the Gospel of Matthew that the author attempts to lay out the entire geneology of Jesus from Abraham, David, Solomon and a whole line of kikes all the way to him, if we are to accept this account for a moment at face value. And of course Luke does the exact same thing but differently. And then of course there's emphasis on Jesus fulfilling alleged messianic prophecies straight from the Old Testament. >The had their opportunity and they killed the Son of God; they choose their path as being against Christ, therefore they are against God, they are Satan » The problem here is that you're viewing Judaism through too religious of a lens. It's racial. Jews remains Jews even if they are Christians. Judaism itself is an organization of the Jewish people for their preservation and domination of gentile societies (whether consciously constructed this way or not). The Jewish mindset does not come from Judaism, it comes from within themselves.
>>1086 >Nazarene Fixed that for you
>>1181 >>1086 jew, fixed it for both of you.
>>1181 >akshually he’s from this city with a Hebrew name Kek. Next you’re gonna try to tell us that he’s a “Judean” and not a Jew, aren’t you, as if the two aren’t etymologically identical.
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>>1088 Well, I guess there is no way of convincing you. While I appreciate and will accept your friendly approach I cannot help to doubt if I can trust you under these conditions, specially since I proposed reason to pretend friendliness. But it would be my fault to lose to something I can see comming years ahead, so I will try not to be rude. >>881 I agree in manny aspects of the orthodox church. its more decentralized nature, but hard traditional doctrine, makes them harder to subvert. Plus they follow Christ's lifestyle more closely.
https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1271048686454398976 >This Protestant Christian, who is upset about the erasure of his history by Communists, will get VERY upset if you point out that HIS co-religionists have done the *exact same thing* to European history, numerous times over the past 1700 or so years https://twitter.com/HunebedC/status/1271405179934515200 >Paganism is characterized as "superstition" whereas similar Christian practices are seen to have a legitimate rationale. >is spun as an inevitable progressive development from polytheism >Christian violence against Pagans is denied using post-modern semantic pilpul http://marginalia.lareviewofbooks.org/late-antiquity-dissolves-by-anthony-kaldellis/
https://twitter.com/Chandala_Nath/status/1271236505718026240 >Your analysis is doomed to be incomplete if you don't go all the way and repudiate Christianity (of which liberalism is but an offshoot) itself. Is not today's statue-destruction you despair born of the same fanatic impulse that led early Christians to destroy Pagan idols? https://twitter.com/Chandala_Nath/status/1271599815684571136
What's the best denomination in christianity and why is it protestant?
>>1367 Protestant's are even worse since they're even bigger Wannabe Jews.
>>1217 If we want to be nit-picky neither Judea nor Samaria, were ethno-states or by any means lived only jews there. It was a typical Levantine multi-racial and multi-religions genetic hell-hole puddle of filth. We really have no way of knowing what Jesus was racially or religion-wise though admittedly some form of kikehood is likely. That having been said, literally most of Abrahamic religions and sects have their main ideas derived from much older Mesopotamian, for example Babylonian or Sumerian and Hittite religious text. Judaism is not the starting point of all, it's just the starting point of the corruption.
>>1373 >>1367 >Protestant's are even worse since they're even bigger Wannabe Jews. This unfortunately. American protestants literally adore kikes while Anglican and continental protestants have become a hard left semi-religious political party cult (that also adores kikes). That's sad in particular since Luther was absolutely red-pilled on kikes. He also didn't mean to split the church and was just legitimately infuriated by what the degeneracy and corruption of what would later become the catholic church.
>>1356 He's not wrong, unfortunately. It's troubling how the Bolshevism of the ancient world has rooted itself in our societies to such a degree that people are unable to critically examine its roots and its offspring (Marxism, liberalism, leftism in general). I understand to a degree why it is so difficult though, as it involves calling into question the last two millennia of European history.
http://archive.vn/ktbeI http://archive.vn/Ro8IV Tom Holland whoops some Neocon faggot. triggered at him noting how Abrahamic the chimpouts are. Bonus: https://unherd.com/2020/06/america-is-the-greatest-story-ever-told/
>>1423 Always a good laugh to see Abrahamists of all varieties whooped on, and nice to see he makes the connection between Marxism and Christianity. I enjoyed Holland's translation of Herodotus' Histories.
i think its of poor taste for people to attack Christianity in a thread like this. this wasnt supposed to be an anti-christian thread.
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>>1454 I already told them, they just keep posting ebin proof of Christian oppression of pagans, not even replying to someone, just posting at random
This division is pointless. Christians should have their own thread and not have polytheists try to chase them off. This subversion of our nations would have come about regardless of our religion and it's telling that 150 years ago our ancestors were christian and nowhere near as cucked as the sorry excuses we see today. Go even further back and it would have seemed that the roman tradition of conquest was an integral part of christianity.
>>1474 >This subversion of our nations would have come about regardless of our religion >He says this when the Far East outside of the biggest American puppets are less cucked >150 years ago our ancestors were christian and nowhere near as cucked as the sorry excuses we see today. You really need to read Tom Holland.
>>1498 there is a book, an opinion, and a quote to support anything. this isnt a christian hate thread
>>1474 >This subversion of our nations would have come about regardless of our religion This is quite the claim. >it's telling that 150 years ago our ancestors were christian and nowhere near as cucked as the sorry excuses we see today. This is due to the fact that 150 years ago there was no way to carry about modern propaganda techniques and there was no consumerist society or meaningless wagecuck lives (though in 1870 the pozz was beginning to set in rapidly with this latter issue). I'd argue that even though Christianity as a religion has declined, we as a society have became more Abrahamic in attitudes. Religion is a product of man, and it's clear that Christianity is a deadly enemy to our race today. Everything great that happened from the Christianization of the Empire to the modern day happened in spite of Christianity, not because of it. I have seen so many Christians on the Internet try to claim that the greatest of our people was a result of Christianity and not us as ourselves. If we had been more Christian we would have been even more decadent!
>>1502 >This is quite the claim. Romans were already experiencing moral degeneration bu the time Christianity was just developing. No religion is immune to subversion, the only thing that makes paganism special in this regard is how insignificant of a target it is nowadays, not like Zog is not already taking bites at you. Give it a few generations and they would have found all manner of things in paganism to support their plans. Blaming all modern problems to christianity is overly convenient and lazy thinking, as if things were that simple. And by partaking in it you are wasting your time, criticizing the world but doing nothing yourself, and dividing are the antithesis of Fascism.
>>1515 I see Christianity as part and parcel of the degeneracy of the latter days of the Empire. The mistake you're making in this post is assuming that I am a pagan in the sense classically understood. As I say in my previous post, religion is a product of man, that, depending on historical circumstances, can make or break a people. I myself know that from my reading that paganism is not just the anthropomorphization of the forces of nature, resulting in a polytheistic worldview, but this was its origin, and even educated Romans and Greeks had begun to understand this - this should not be understood necessarily as any move towards atheism, quite the opposite they were very religious. The pagan spirit though is less of a harm to the white race than is Christianity. The pagan spirit is a natural reaction of the Aryan spirit to the wonders of the natural world. Paganism, especially in its most exoteric senses, is to my mind just as obsolete as believing in Yahweh or a Jew nailed to a stick. Also, Christianity is not being blamed for "all modern problems". Not in the slightest. It's contingent on the JQ to a large extent, in other ways it's not.
>>1519 That is where we disagree, I see religion as something beyond man and it's limitations. Reducing the holy to fit the mundane is a very atheist thing to do.
>>1523 >Reducing the holy to fit the mundane is a very atheist thing to do. Not necessarily — if one views 'God' and religion as distinct and conflicting concepts, this would make perfect sense. David Lane said it best in the 88 Precepts: >Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. Religion is the creation of mortals, therefore predestined to fallibility. Religion may preserve or destroy a People, depending on the structure given by its progenitors, the motives of its agents and the vagaries of historical circumstances. All evidence points to the vast majority of religions today as false and in conflict with the Laws of Nature. Any religion, ideology or teaching which denies these Laws are false. Now are they wholly false? No. If they utterly denied and contravened the Laws of Nature the teaching would not even survive or find followers.
>>1501 Stick to your Harry Potter and Marvel movies. >>1515 >Romans were already experiencing moral degeneration bu the time Christianity was just developing. The moral degeneration you speak of was key to Christianity finding its place. The Roman elites needing something, a worldview, to maintain the empire and especially their power in it. The elites accepted Christianity since it gave them the means to both keep their power and maintain the empire thanks to its teachings.
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>>1501 >this isnt a christian hate thread Not with that attitude
>>1502 I never said christianity was responsible for the empire's achievements. I don't believe in it, but the christians are right when they say that christianity is by large from a european background. Is it completely aryan in it's conception? No, but besides the core and the overall monotheism (which isn't even really monotheism in the conventional sense) it is European from the greek philosophy to the traditional holidays that it co-opted from the old traditions. Trying to revive Indo-European metaphysics is fine but it's ridiculous to demonize christianity when the population is still mostly christian with atheism following behind.
>>1498 >He says this when the Far East outside of the biggest American puppets are less cucked Most far east countries are being subverted
Maybe instead of fighting with each other we should just get along
>>1555 >it's ridiculous to demonize christianity when the population is still mostly christian with atheism following behind. Debatable. Most of the population wants nothing to do with white nationalism or a life that isn't just being a consumer either, but we still have to call them out for it regardless of how many people it might upset. This said, as a White Nationalist, when I talk to people IRL, I don't spend much time attacking Christianity, hardly any at all. I mainly spend time talking about the most important issues, i.e. demographic change, race, degeneracy, the JQ and the stuff that we all agree on here. I recently told a guy IRL that Jesus is teaching him to be a doormat and he just chuckled, but that's just me throwing shade as part of a larger discussion. If I go out there and start preaching MIGHT IS RIGHT, KIKE ON A STICK off the bat, I'm gonna push people away from me. As long as they understand the issues and aren't cucked by their morality I let them believe what they like. I do attack if they say "b-b-b-but Jewsus said...."
I think the anti christian sentiment is overly fanatical
>>1572 >I think the anti christian sentiment is overly fanatical I think so too but it really depends where you've grown up I guess. People who haven't experienced much influence by Christians or faux Christians like me tend to be more sympathetic and look fondly back to a religion that gave us the crusades. If you were raised in a small town in rural America among insanely retarded evangelicals you probably hate those crazy fanatics with a passion.
>>1575 If I grew-up with the American-version of anything I would too end-up hating it. There is something about that country that turns everything into the worst version of itself. Good thing I grew-up in a family that takes the « Help yourself so I [God] can help you » axion as the main lesson from Christianity, meaning that we never ask for God's help, instead do everything ourselves and so God manifests trough that work. Almost everyone I have meet who is deeply religious is a hypocrite, like they try to use religion as a way to fix themselves instead of taking responsibility. Yes, come as you are, but you must too put in the work to change, Christ is there to pick you up again if you fall, not do everything for you. All these people have also being protestants of the American variety, they act like a franchising company instead of a church.
>>1572 All issues affecting our people need to be addressed.
I look at it from the view that if most fascist parties historically emphasized christianity as a core element of themselves then there's no need to rail against it so much. Christians on this board will agree that christianity has been hijacked by a (((certain element))) to suit it's needs. There's no need to push them away.
>>1590 >most fascist parties historically emphasized christianity as a core element of themselves then there's no need to rail against it so much At most they took a secular stance where it was to be seen as a private concern so long as it did not interfere with or subvert the state (such as in Mosley's writings). In the 25-point program of the NSDAP they say that they demand liberty for all religious denominations in the state, again so long as they do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. And then Giovanni Gentile writes in Origins and Doctrine of Fascism that state authority is paramount above all and that morality and religion are to be subordinated to it. It seems more to me that from a theoretical standpoint - and to me this is what matters most rather than how things played out historically - that religion has always played a subordinate role. Any pandering towards Christianity seems more akin to deal with a matter-of-fact rather something that was all-important. It'd be like being an American and not paying lip-service to ideas of liberty. There has always been an anti-Christian undercurrent, and it has, curiously enough, grown in strength from 1945 on
>>1588 (Heil'd) You can address issues without being a complete spastic about it. Instead of attaching a fellow fascist, or promoting bridge-burning we should concentrate in more productive things. Pagans are so volatile that I feel that I have to be overly cautious with the examples I use so they do not drown threads in >>1473 . I always thought little of communities that need disclaimers like « Warning, this post contains references to X. This is my opinion and it is fine that you disagree :) », but now I am starting to consider using something similar, as to not trigger pagans into derailing threads towards themselves and how oppressed they have being. And speaking of the devil; Yes, I know these are most likely a few very-active posters who are responsible for this. These are most likely young atheists, LARPing as Vikings, and trying to convince themselves that they are not atheists anymore. No one with confidence over what they believe acts this defensive. But their activities are making Pagans look as hard to work with, while spreading half-truths and parroting cherry-picked and out-of-context facts about christianity to fit their rhetoric, classic D&C. This thread is for Christian fascist to discuss about christianity and its posible interactions with Fascism. re-taking it from ZOG, not pointing-out what appears to be obvious by everyone and leaving it there. The « What » and the « Why » are not enough, complaining without thoughtful solutions is a waste of time. Thus, Let's stop this divisive attitude and work together, each on our side in manners like this, but under cooperation. I would hate to go trough manny migrations due to drama, website shutdown or failure just to have ourselves be the ones that destroy the board.
>>1592 Nice of you to only name the two parties that emphasized secularism over religiosity. You think the fascists in OP's pic aren't putting their christian religion and traditions at the forefront of their minds?
>>1595 >These are most likely young atheists, LARPing as Vikings, and trying to convince themselves that they are not atheists anymore. How come I do not see any of these mythical Viking LARPers anywhere on this board?
>>1575 >Crusades They weren't done in the name of the White Race. Lay off the memes. >>1590 >hijacked by a (((certain element))) Jesus was a Semite.
>>1619 Okay? It doesn't change the fact that Europe has been christian for 1000+ years which has undoubtedly left it's mark on Europeans and vice versa.
>>1622 >which has undoubtedly left it's mark on Europeans and vice versa. Yes, unfortunately. I have a feeling that Christcucks in general are more attracted to the specifically White elements of Christianity rather than anything else, i.e. the music, the art, the architecture and the like. No one can doubt that there are many beautiful Christian-inspired pieces of great beauty, or magnificent cathedrals scattered across Europe. The final redpill though is that it is not Christianity we must thank for these, but the great potential within our own White race-soul. Christianity is not an essential ingredient to our greatness, and it in fact has become a hindrance.
>>1625 Maybe so, but without it Europe would have been deprived of the likes of Charlamange who healed Europe and made it a force to stand against the muslim wave to come in his time. The art and philosophy associated with the triumvirate. We had the potential but without a catalyst these things wouldn't have graced Europe. We were better off being a faithful people than one that attributes their gods to mere physical phenomenon like the Egyptians evolved their theistic beliefs to be.
>>1628 If a politically fragmented and pagan Greece was able to hold off a massive invasion from Persia not once but twice, I have faith that it could be done against Muslim hordes as well. >We were better off being a faithful people than one that attributes their gods to mere physical phenomenon like the Egyptians evolved their theistic beliefs to be. This view of paganism is the most primitive one that is often actively mocked and challenged by pagan philosophers themselves if one takes the time to read works such as Cicero's The Nature of the Gods. There was much speculation in this territory. Personally I see no more reason to believe in a plethora of pagan personifications of nature than I do some sort of personal Abrahamic deity he is wholly separate from the universe. There was nothing lacking in Europe prior to Christianity.
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>>1636 Speaking of Japan, it is very curious how much of what Japanese critics of Christianity like nationalist Aizawa Seishisai said is directly in line with what many people here believe. Do Christians consider him to be a viking LARPer too? >Aizawa saw Christianity as a religion founded upon the principle that all people are equal in the eyes of God. To him, this notion was a clever deceit and a highly effective weapon. It posed no small threat to Japan because of its irresistible appeal to the lower classes. It taught them the seductive fiction that all people universally deserve God's love, and that this love is a power greater even than the authority of a local samurai, a daimyou, a shougun or even an emperor. "It's main doctrines are simple to grasp and well-contrived; they can easily deceive stupid commoners with it" (Source: Evanescence and Form by Charles Shiro Inouye)
>>1636 You're not posting anything I haven't posted in the past. I grew out of bitching about christian iconoclasm in the classical era. The fact of the matter is that christian fascists aren't any less cucked than pagans whether you want to believe that or not.
>>1644 >I grew out of bitching about christian iconoclasm in the classical era. Don't you care about the immense loss of knowledge about our own history that came about through this? Statues destroyed and defaced, oral histories of druids and other priests totally forgotten without a trace, philosophical works destroyed, schools of philosophy closed, etc etc. They behaved like Muslims. I'm not a Vargfag who will spend everyday crying about how the mean Christians did these things, but it's a tragedy for all European people nonetheless. >The fact of the matter is that christian fascists aren't any less cucked than pagans whether you want to believe that or not. Debatable again. The Iron Guard - a group that I very much admire - appears to me to be the exception rather than the rule. 99.9% of Christians are nothing like that in the slightest
>>1649 Why would I complain if I can't change it? I am disappointed by the loss but there's nothing to be done. This is a cycle that has happened throughout history to civilizations older than the romans. Hitler is perhaps right when he criticised the neo-pagans of his day. It's a constant fight to preserve that which couldn't survive the onslaught instead of creating new conceptions of metaphysics native to the European mind. >The Iron Guard - a group that I very much admire - appears to me to be the exception rather than the rule. 99.9% of Christians are nothing like that in the slightest I hope you realize most fascists are the exception in society.
>>1654 >Why would I complain if I can't change it? There's a difference, I think, between thinking that it is a shame that something happened and throwing a tantrum over the fact that it happened despite it having happened and there's nothing we can do about, so in that sense we agree. >Hitler is perhaps right when he criticised the neo-pagans of his day. Yes, he was mainly talking about LARPers with spiked helmets and axes from what I remember in MK, i.e. the lowest form of pagan. I myself criticize those who merely want to bring back a 1:1 version of the old ways. For one, this is impossible, but two, it would be somewhat artificial in a sense. Those were the natural religious predilections and compounded traditions of our people in diverse locations stretching out from nearly the dawn of time as far as I'm concerned. The chain has been broken, but genetically-speaking we're not that different from our ancestors. There are some stuff which can be drawn from that is self-evidently true, other things which will be updated. Of course I'm talking mainly in the philosophical realm here, in the larger social realm, National Socialism itself was a new religion which strove to implement the eternal Laws of Nature in the social and political realms. You're definitely not wrong that it is our task to create "new conceptions of metaphysics native to the European mind." >I hope you realize most fascists are the exception in society. And the Iron Guard is an exception within an exception.
>>1656 >And the Iron Guard is an exception within an exception The falange, rexists, austrofascists, etc.
Yes. Well, probably no, but if you have any sort of respect as an Aryan man you would NOT worship the god of israel as your savior, whilst hating the jews.
>>1674 Literally any Aryan man born before 1950 was a Christian including everybody in based Germany. Wehrmacht soldier were still like 99% Christian, at least nominal, as can be seen by way of burial. SS may be 80%. I respect them totally.
>>1676 And the West has been on a downwaed spiral for centuries. So?
>>1676 I can forgive people back in the day to an extent. They lived in homogeneous communities and lived simple lives. They didn't have to worry about problems like active white genocide, multiculturalism and like, not to mention that it was much harder to get access to information about Christianity and its origins I assume, at least for those who were average Joes. I do not think it is totally by coincidence that in the post-WWII period pro-white politics has become more and more anti-Christian.
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>>181 Hey OP what do you think of these? Are we soldiers of Christ now? '''APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD to Catholics and all people of good will''' (red-pill on the panda flu) https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/ excerpt >We have reason to believe, on the basis of official data on the incidence of the epidemic as related to the number of deaths, that there are powers interested in creating panic among the world’s population with the sole aim of permanently imposing unacceptable forms of restriction on freedoms, of controlling people and of tracking their movements. The imposition of these illiberal measures is a disturbing prelude to the realization of a world government beyond all control. >Every effort must be made to ensure that shady business interests do not influence the choices made by government leaders and international bodies. >A democratic and honest debate is the best antidote to the risk of imposing subtle forms of dictatorship, presumably worse than those our society has seen rise and fall in the recent past. >With faith, let us beseech the Lord to protect the Church and the world. May the Blessed Virgin, Help of Christians, crush the head of the ancient Serpent and defeat the plans of the children of darkness. Letter to Trump by anti-globalist(?) clergy https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now excerpt >In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority. And yet the former are the object of a sort of discrimination which places them in a situation of moral inferiority with respect to their adversaries, who often hold strategic positions in government, in politics, in the economy and in the media. >We will also discover that the riots in these days were provoked by those who, seeing that the virus is inevitably fading and that the social alarm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances, because they would be followed by repression which, although legitimate, could be condemned as an unjustified aggression against the population. The same thing is also happening in Europe, in perfect synchrony. >They are subservient to the deep state, to globalism, to aligned thought, to the New World Order which they invoke ever more frequently in the name of a universal brotherhood which has nothing Christian about it, but which evokes the Masonic ideals of those who want to dominate the world by driving God out of the courts, out of schools, out of families, and perhaps even out of churches. Freemasons is code for Jew in the catholic church, I hear, correct?
>>1861 >Freemasons is code for Jew in the catholic church, I hear, correct? Basically, Traditionally those two were seen as Lucifer worshipers. Reality puts them on a different light; Freemasons are useful goyim under the direct control of Jews, they are just stupid, not in the same level as Jews.
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>>1854 I'm not even Christian, but Codreanu is an absolute hero. He and his movement fought tirelessly against the Jew and the traitors in government, suffering beatings, prison sentences and multiple crackdowns, all for going to the people and helping them and fighting for their own self-preservation. On top of that Codreanu had balls, he shot a snitch on site, he killed the cop who abused his men in the middle of a courtroom and he wasn't afraid to give his life for Romania. Everyone needs to read 'For My Legionaries'. It puts Mein Kampf to shame, and I say this as a Hitler fanboy
>>1876 I read it and did a book report on it when I was still in Uni taking my last English class. It was inspiring. It also brought me a bit of despair, I'll admit reluctantly. Despair that I don't know anyone of his zeal in real life. I can't even say I myself share that zeal, ashamedly. Or maybe I do and I just don't notice it.
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>>2005 >It was inspiring. It also brought me a bit of despair, I'll admit reluctantly. No need to feel reluctant, I would not be surprised if many people shared your feelings on this matter, I know I did. It's been a while since I read it now, but to see them try to do all of these things for the peasants and to have them continuously be harassed by the kikes and government was seriously depressing and vexing to read. And then it ended on such a sudden note, only to read that Codreanu had been executed. I knew it was coming but it was one of those moments when you can only think "wow". I felt the same way about reading about a man of such character as you did. It really made me realize that everyone, myself included to a degree, has been turned into such domesticated pussies by modernity. If, no actually, when I decide to finally attempt to serve our people IRL one day, I hope to have even 100th of his ability. Concerning yourself, you never know until you're in the moment.
>>2023 If you’ll remember in the book, Codreanu boarded a train or something doing political campaigning, and he received enormous support from virtually every town he passed by, and he was surprised. It was the latent energy of the populace, everybody probably kept their sentiments hidden and finally had the chance to stand up when one man took a risk when he could take no more. I’ve always dreamed of being a leader, not necessarily just like Codreanu, but he’s a good example, so I got goosebumps when I read about his somewhat successful movement awakening the deeply held resentment everyone felt.
>>2110 The people seemed to truly love Codreanu. It's been a while now since I've read the book, but that definitely has stayed in my mind. Like every true leader, he seemed to be firmly rooted in both the blood of his people and the soil. It is sad that we never got to see him heading a Romanian government. The best we got was the Iron Guard being co-opted and destroyed by Antonescu. Even after the war there were still cells of legionaries resisting the communist takeover and the prisons were filled with legionaries. Tragic stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Gavril%C4%83_Ogoranu >awakening the deeply held resentment everyone felt. I only hope that people can be awakened today. I feel as if they know that there is something wrong, but they do not know what.
>>2114 There's a book about the communist gulags in post-Iron Guard Romania regarding the methods the reds used to break former Iron Guard members. Do you happen to know what I'm talking about? I forgot the name of the book and would like to locate it.
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>>2119 No, I am not aware of that book, unfortunately. I'm really curious about it though now that you mention it. I do have a recommendation for all fans of the Iron Guard though. This is an academic text but it's very informative and objective, I thought. It fills in a lot of gaps that one doesn't get from reading 'For My Legionaries', since, as readers will know, there's a gap of several years between the end of Codreanu's narrative and the postscript where he is assassinated where they did all sorts of things like assassinate prime ministers.
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>>2114 >>2023 >>1876 I love this passage in picture related. From the book of a Hungarian Jewish author/historian (widely published, this isn't some random guy, his name is Nicholas Nagy-Talavera). Don't mind the [citation needed] it's from "The Green Shirts and the Others: A History of Fascism in Hungary and Rumania" He so utterly embodied the spirit of his people, he was like a spirit of the land itself. Gives me chills.
>>2168 >He so utterly embodied the spirit of his people, he was like a spirit of the land itself. Gives me chills. That's exactly the vibe that he gives me, especially from that passage alone. I only hope that we will all live to see such a perfect embodiments of our respective peoples arise in our life-times. More than anything else we need true leaders.
>tfw no Codreanu gf
Are there any good books on Christian Fascism besides Codreanu?
>>1515 Convenient, lazy, and very obviously part of the Protestant heresies. Remember that Mussolini defended the Church in his day. /fascist/ should follow the Italian gentleman's model.
>>2314 >Remember that Mussolini defended the Church in his day If Mussolini was alive today he'd realize that the Church is an absolute joke. Christianity and the Church are not a static entities
>>2322 He realized how stupid it is to pick a fight with the church, specially in very religious nations >Christianity and the Church are not a static entities Which is why leading change to go for the support of Fascism is a valid plan >>2222 My conscience says this is wrong, but those digits say otherwise
what do you guys think about some of the rules of amish culture that prevent things like jews and niggers taking over? they dont beleive in banks, and besides the fact no nigger would want to live like they do, they have a strict rule where they dont marry outside their community making them a seperate race of people almost compared to other white americans. these two things are in contrast to criticisms of christian culture in regards to race.
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>>2392 They're a healthier community than the surrounding degenerate America, however they only are permitted at the whim of ZOG. They're extremely cucked when it comes to their beliefs on violence. If ZOG ever decided to pop their little they wouldn't even resist. Back in 2006 some faggot murdered five little girls in an Amish schoolhouse and the Amish cucked so hard, even attending the funeral of the man who pumped their daughters full of lead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nickel_Mines_School_shooting#Amish_community_response
>>2395 one huge positive about the Amish is their immense fertility rate paired with the tradition of having their kids go out into the 'normal' world when they turn 18 for a while and choosing whether to stay in normal society or go back to the Amish community, kind of pouring their excess Amish into the general white community and bolstering it a bit. With white liberals having essentially no children and white conservatives only reaching the replacement rate, eventually this will become a fairly significant portion of the white population, the former Amish. Though if this is really a good thing remains to be seen, it stands to reason that only the more materialistic and even hedonistic Amish decide to leave, but we can hope that at the very least they retain some sense of community and family values and bring that into society at large.
>>2392 Didn't some amish defectors say that amish people are a bit fucked up?
>>2676 Even if some have said this, there's always reason to wonder (1) why they are saying this and (2) fucked up by whose standards. Anabaptists are very collectivistic compared to our atomized society and in some ways could be seen by our standards as restrictive to individuality, choice and oppressive towards women.
My relationship with Christianity is a complicated one due to it's Hebrew origins, i do think ancient Christianity was significantly less cucked than it's modern equivalent and although i favor paganism and esotericism/the occult more i do still enjoy the christian and medieval/Gothic aesthetic, i also take a liking to the warrior culture of the Teutonic order and the knights Templar, but one thing i cannot forgive Christianity for it's involvement with the death of Rome.

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