>>17222 no pink text? odd Complaints: >But anon, technology makes us weak! 1. You're right. We'd be so much stronger without those nasty CAT scans and MRIs. Pic related. 2. Your farm in the woods and wife in the wheat field won't survive the Fully Automated Gay Communists and Corporate McShocktroopers coming to drag you back into Globohomo. You're going to need something more advanced. >Computers gave us faggotry! If it wasn't for the internet, we wouldn't have this degeneracy in the first place! 1. This gets repeated over and over, but the timelines don't match up. Computers were the size of a bus when the stonewall riot took place, and by the time the internet was easily accessible the ship had sailed. 2. Where would WE be without computers? Remember, the books, magazines, newspapers and TV news are all controlled by zog. If it wasn't for the internet, half of us would never have been redpilled at all. including me >Machines are ugly and mar the landscape. Why ruin nature's beauty? This is something we're going to have to agree to disagree on. I think machines are beautiful. I see a well designed structure that many men put time into, that reshapes the land, transports people or provides power to the nation, and I like that. I see power, and energy, and ingenuity. Pic related 2.

>>17223 >Machines are ugly and mar the landscape. Why ruin nature's beauty? It would be entirely possible to use concrete hangars covered by earth as factories, and then just let plants grow on top of them freely. It would not only give the factories protection and concealment, but also help control the temperature inside. Similar to what you can see in this picture, but obviously much bigger and used for an entirely different purpose.

>>17222 >>A far-righter named Konrad Zuse made the world's first programmable computer. Neat. I didn't even know about him (he's obviously been mostly blacklisted by the """keepers""" of computing history). He also apparently created the first high-level programming language as well (a separate and distinct achievement). Almost every computer he built was apparently destroyed by Allied bombing in WWII. AFAICT, this was the sole survivor, and his last one. > Z4

>>17234 >>A far-righter named Konrad Zuse made the world's first programmable computer. Another anon here. Not only the world's first programmable computer, but BINARY programmable computer which is, a huge distinction, essentially making his iterations of machines the direct ancestor of the first modern computers. And in 1941 Zuse founded the companies, Zuse Apparatebau and in 1946 Zuse-Ingenieurbüro . And at this time from 1943 to 1945 he designed the world's first first "high-level" programming language, Plankalkül. Making the world's first actually advanced computer business, IBM were heavily inspired and ripped it off, first documented influence on a US company was IBM's option on his patents in 1946. (but in reality we all know the first thing the allies did after and during occupation in were raiding patent bureaus in wartime.) Furthermore dishonest, unlearned cucks, Jews and other fags like to deem Konrad Zuse as this "unrecognized mogul" and "unfunded" person by the National-Socialist Workers Party, while in fact he was heavily recognized and funded for his at that time to develop the Z1-Z2-Z3-Z4 advanced binary programmable computers. Which at the time as with most high tech was used for various advanced calculations and military calculations, among them the Z3 using it for highly sophisticated Aerodynamics and other applications, along with other features such as integrated analog-to-digital converters under program control, making it the first process-controlled computer. >"Zuse built the S1 and S2 computing machines, which were special purpose devices which computed aerodynamic corrections to the wings of radio-controlled flying bombs. The S2 featured an integrated analog-to-digital converter under program control, making it the first process-controlled computer."" We were not shared the full history on this man because the Jews or any other institutions did not award this man a Nobel Prize or any substantial recognition, they deemed his contribution to computers as "Not noteworthy"(SIC) They did this because they could not suffer the fact that THE PIONEERING INVENTIONS OF NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANY DEFINED MODERN TECHNOLOGY.

>All the ways the right moves mankind further. >All the ways the left keeps us in the past. Jewish progressive mindset detected. >You're right. We'd be so much stronger without those nasty CAT scans and MRIs. Pic related The modern medical industry is founded on keeping weaklings, cripples, retards and degenerates from dying when they ought to. >Your farm in the woods and wife in the wheat field won't survive the Fully Automated Gay Communists and Corporate McShocktroopers coming to drag you back into Globohomo. You're going to need something more advanced. Globohomo is unsustainable in the first place. They sacrifice the future for the sake of the present, favoring their own short term benefit over long term stability. In fact, this is exactly what the world has been doing since industrialization began. >>Computers gave us faggotry! If it wasn't for the internet, we wouldn't have this degeneracy in the first place! Never heard this argument in my life. The Internet has massively accelerated the degeneration of society. You can say that you never would have gotten redpilled without it, but actually it's much more likely that on average people pre-Internet were already more redpilled than the average person today. Jewish propaganda is not ubiquitous in a way that it never was in the past, and their social engineering was as powerful as today.

>>17245 >It's the tech No, it's the Jews, who gained complete power after WW2.

>>17248 Jews have a role, but you make yourself look stupid when you appear to deny that these problems only began after 1945. If anything they were only accelerated.

>>17250 >Jews have a role, but you make yourself look stupid when you appear to deny that these problems only began after 1945. If anything they were only accelerated. Jews are the role, they are the problem. We have not been deciding how to implement OUR TECHNOLOGICAL PROWESS for over 75 Years so of course it's bad, the Jews and their Capitalists have for ages, with their slimy capitalist democratic tentacles appropriated our creations with their subhuman greedy stupidity. So yeah, again, of course it's fucking terrible. And Kaczynski was too fucking retarded to understand that root of the problem, because he was not a National Socialist.

>>17252 So long as you are cucked on the ideology of "muh technological prowess" and "muh mankind moving towards progress" you will inevitably end up exactly where you started when you're working off of a materialistic bugman mindset.

>>17254 You're so right. Obviously the muh bugmen strawman point is well taken. We certainly shouldn't be having say, the plow, the gun, the scythe. Even the stone knife is probably just a degenerate commie plot to destroy fascism! Human beings from every culture -- especially the traditional White culture -- have always sought to advance ourselves. It's literally wired into our hearts as part of the image of God within us. I don't see dogs implementing many technological or other advances lately Anon. Maybe they should be running things instead?

>>17255 >We certainly shouldn't be having say, the plow, the gun, the scythe. Even the stone knife is probably just a degenerate commie plot to destroy fascism! Thank you for adding this to your post, because it reveals that you do not even grasp the core of Kaczynski's criticisms of his distinction between kinds of technology. >Human beings from every culture -- especially the traditional White culture -- have always sought to advance ourselves One who advances themselves into extinction is foolish. It is like comparing one's growing muscles to a cancerous, uncontrollable tumor.

>>17256 >criticisms of his distinction or*

>>17254 You are replying to me with vague Circular Reasoning. Nobody faulted the White Romans for creating massive aqueducts, plumbing, advanced tools and machinery in their time and so on, because it was White progression, White ingenuity which is normal for our people where no other race is on our level, although of course modern tech should be implemented in a decent way, this requires power, and Jews wield that currently. It's not tech, it's the Jews, get rid of the enemy ruling Jews and their traitor bandits now or die because they are trying to replace us with subhuman mongrel animals, something which is far more important than tech implementation(that requires power). Any other impetus than this and their deliberately destructive policies they cause(which include tech) is stunted. Kaczynski was stunted too in his reasoning for the cause itself.

>>17258 >Nobody faulted the White Romans for creating massive aqueducts, plumbing, advanced tools and machinery in their time Let's not even pretend that the scale of Roman organization was anything even close to what exists in modern industrialized Western nations when it comes to organization, centralization and in the way that all of these shape the society around it. >although of course modern tech should be implemented in a decent way Define "decent way". >It's not tech, it's the Jews It's both.

If jews were kicked out and left to israel to make peace with Arabs, how will the tech be used by NS/WN people?

>futurism No we don't need this, if we become dependant on tech, no matter how many times you recite criticisms of technology it won't mean anything if you end up becoming a bugmen who clings to weaponry. Tech should not and never be a dependancy.

>>17278 >weaponry Meant machinery

>>17260 >Let's not even pretend that the scale of Roman organization was anything even close to what exists in modern industrialized Western nations when it comes to organization, centralization and in the way that all of these shape the society around it. Yet it was the most advanced civilization in the age(s) which all developed White nations took direct inspiration from, see where I'm going with this? >It's both. Jews > Tech >>17278 You have your own tedtopia anti tech thread, be coherent or stop crashing the thread with your bs technology scapegoating low strategic thinking. Don't have power? So no removal of the well jewish well poisoning neocons pushing their consumerist gimping addictive feces out until then, due to this in the grand scale it's actually not worth wasting a single breath on right now.

>>17281 >You have your own tedtopia anti tech thread, be coherent or stop crashing the thread with your bs technology scapegoating low strategic thinking You sound like a faggot crying about le shitting up muh thread, because I don't want to circle-jerk futurisms, there's nothing stopping me from posting on here and telling you that I don't agree with you. Where's the high strategic thinking behind shilling tech? Where's the high IQ plan to use something that has turned humanity into weaklings? If you need tech to obtain power, then goes to show how much of power you lack and can be easily taken from you. If tech is so great there shouldn't be a problem for fascists to rise against the modern world using it.

>>17281 >Yet it was the most advanced civilization in the age(s) which all developed White nations took direct inspiration from, see where I'm going with this? Nope. >Jews > Tech Prove it. You're thinking like a communist right now. Marx was the one who successfully rehabilitated technology in the minds of the masses and posited it as a tool of liberation. It wasn't technology that was the problem, it was the greedy capitalists at the top. Destroy them and utopia will result! It's not that simple. The mere presence of certain forms of technology and organization inevitably shapes the conditions of the people in the society. The introduction of some forms of technology to agriculture led to the uprooting of millions from their traditional social groupings and led to them flooding into urban areas. The concentration in urban areas led to wage-slavery, destitution, the breakdown of the family. And did anyone pioneering in bringing tech to agriculture know that it would cause all that would follow? The same uprooting and spread of the cash economy is by and large part of the reason for the spread of modern day atomized individualism. The individual became a drop in a vast ocean, and fell victim to propaganda, his traditional worldviews shattered. I could go on and on. Each part engenders issues of its own which appear to inevitably result wherever technical solutions are implemented. The only concern of technique, if it is to run efficiently, is efficient ordering. The faster the better, regardless of social consequences. And techies don't give a shit about social consequences or long-term sustainability, because at the root they are materialist bugmen. The same thing could be said about cars, computers, highways, etc. Jews are undoubtedly a dangerous parasitic race of humans, and must at all costs be removed, but anyone who thinks that is them and them alone who are responsible for all ills today is fooling themselves. The real redpill is that modern technology itself is worringly Jewish. It is a key part of tikkun olam. None of the Jewish dreams to push forward equality, the NWO, Noahide laws, etc, are possible without modern technological society >You have your own tedtopia anti tech thread, be coherent or stop crashing the thread with your bs technology scapegoating low strategic thinking Cry more, don't make a thread and expect a hugbox.

>>17284 And you're a faggot feeling the need to project stunted absolutely cretinous cuckinzki shit everywhere, when the fact is that judeotrannies in silicon valley are given power by the kikelords to sit there and concoct up botnet assrape of innocent people with the internet using it as a literal weapon, just like the media and printing press. Furthermore I bet you six million you wouldn't even be nationalist if it wasn't for tech, you'd probably just be some two party voting ape mate. Have some common sense decency.

>>17245 >weaklings, cripples, retards and degenerates Like children with cancer, and premature babies, and people mangled in car crashes, or soldiers maimed from war? Those degenerates? Did you even look at the first image? That baby should die? We already have a Ted thread. Please return to it.

>>17285 >>17288 Right because it's not like the jewish destroyers have basically prioritized virtually every single invention we have made keeping it in under lock and key because they have power, weaponizing everything using it against it's created purpose, against their creators, even to the point of actually sharing it with care free shitskin irresponsible nations and you're crying about just tech. Absolutely stunted. There's nothing wrong with technology in of itself, just the way it's been applied wrongfully without forethought. This would have literally not even have happened if the right side won WW2 because in the first place it's the filthy kike animals and other ooga booga subhumans that misuse it and were allowed to because of Jewish power and capitalist fags who'd sell their own family to a moloch sacrifice if it meant that a jew would be pleased. "Tech" is just like how the White man invented polyethylene and now the shitskins are polluting and tainting the world with the microplastics that has now even been found in the womb of a mother. Even the most basic shit we figured out 200 years ago you see these filthy people subvert into oblivion. Because you won't see White people polluting the world deliberately by throwing plastic trash into the sea, you'll see us recycle it but whatever right? As long as you get to salivate some regurgitated shit about your non-fascist non-nationalist idol Ted Kuckinski who's opinion was that fascism is a “kook ideology and that ”Nazism is evil" while pretending as if National socialists don't care about the enviroment or tech. That's bankrupt faggot shit.

>>17286 You're foolish to assume that Ted was the only one who redpilled me on technology. If you go back to romantics artists and the earliest fascists movements they also shat on the development of technology and how it lead to today's shithole that is modernism. Hell you can look at history of the West and see how the west degraded because of tech and relied too much on it. The Romans should not at all be used as an example of how great Whites are, because the Romans destroyed and ruined their own environments and kin for money and progress. Once an people who were very spiritualistic turned into hedonistic bugmen who saw that money was the motivating driver for men to fight and be loyal to Rome.

>>17292 >you'll see us recycle it but whatever right?

>>17293 >>17296 >You're foolish to assume that Ted was the only one who redpilled me on technology. If you go back to romantics artists and the earliest fascists movements they also shat on the development of technology and how it lead to today's shithole that is modernism. Hell you can look at history of the West and see how the west degraded because of tech and relied too much on it. The Romans should not at all be used as an example of how great Whites are, because the Romans destroyed and ruined their own environments and kin for money and progress. Once an people who were very spiritualistic turned into hedonistic bugmen who saw that money was the motivating driver for men to fight and be loyal to Rome. Weird you write this when I just wrote "There's nothing wrong with technology in of itself, just the way it's been applied wrongfully without forethought." and that it's been Misappropriated due to the wrong side winning WW2. But somehow that doesn't prevent you from making up some more awful generalized kuckinski ultimatum bullshit even though Fascists, but especially National Socialists cared deeply about the animals and the environment. What is it about you people that want to make it into some big "separate thing"(that doesn't really exist) that makes you follow some literal anti-nationalist old man antifa tier anarcho faggot around that didn't even grasp the JQ? Why would you even trust such an intellectually stunted person to your mind? It was quite literally the Jewish capitalists that after WW2 mass sold off our inventions and crafts to unsophisticated irresponsible shadowskins while trying to pin blame on us for this now later for the things they sold to subhumans so they could pollute, so they're could later reproduce like cancer. Blaming us for what they did just like the africaniggers they brought over to America. Kuckinsky was brave for sure but he wasn't even a National Socialist, he was some gay Anarchist antifa tier goober that didn't even know about the JQ/Capitalist question that quite literally objectively explains his time and ours. Kuckinsky quite literally didn't even get the full picture. Yet some people cling to him obsessively. You know damn well that in the first place none of this would have turned out this way if the good side actually won WW2. The third world would still be third world representative of their natural racial development, not subhumanism on Jewish enabled steroids that make them ruin this planet. The end.

>>17290 You're sound like a Christian moralist. Children can inherit cancer genetically or due to poor immune system, I don't know the point you're trying to make with premature babies, people getting fucked in car crashes is their own negligance, thus a weakness and a problem caused by technology, soldiers maimed from war are better off dead. These things other than the premature babies are forms of weakness and being strapped to a machine is a form of weakness. The baby is suffering there is no need for it to live when it cannot survive for whatever the reason. >>17298 Not that anon, but all you have been doing is complaining about muh kaczinsky. You're sounding like a sperg and not really engaging in an argument on why futurism is path we should follow. No matter how much you cry Jew stealing inventions it won't stop the fact that the industrial revolution and agriculture revolution ruined humanity along with manufactories causing environmental destruction and increasing health issues.

>>17298 >Weird you write this when I just wrote "There's nothing wrong with technology in of itself, just the way it's been applied wrongfully without forethought." and that it's been Misappropriated due to the wrong side winning WW2. Are you really this daft? I'm telling you that no matter how you use tech at the end of the day if you depend on it, it will only create more bugmen. You keep saying it's about how tech is used and yet and have no basis to stand on to prove that it was only Jews who messed up the world.

What is futurism and how would it work?

>>17301 Here's the futurist manifesto.

>>17303 >Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Isn't this the guy who was said to be a degenerate for support certain art-style that originated from some Italian movement? I think he also cried about how anti-semetic the fascists were within Italy and Germany.

>>17305 >Filippo Tommaso Marinetti "In early 1918 he founded the Partito Politico Futurista or Futurist Political Party, which only a year later merged with Benito Mussolini's Fasci Italiani di Combattimento. Marinetti was one of the first affiliates of the Italian Fascist Party. In 1919 he co-wrote with Alceste De Ambris the Fascist Manifesto, the original manifesto of Italian Fascism.[16] He opposed Fascism's later exaltation of existing institutions, terming them "reactionary," and, after walking out of the 1920 Fascist party congress in disgust, withdrew from politics for three years. However, he remained a notable force in developing the party philosophy throughout the regime's existence.[...]On 17 November 1938, Italy passed The Racial Laws, discriminating against Italian Jews. The anti-semitic trend in Italy resulted in attacks against modern art, judged too foreign, too radical and anti-nationalist. In 11 January 1939 issue of the Futurist journal Artecrazia Marinetti expressed his condemnation of such attacks on modern art, noting Futurism is both Italian and nationalist, not foreign, and that there are no Jews in Futurism. Furthermore, he claimed Jews were not active in the development of modern art. Regardless, the Italian state shut down Artecrazia." It's Kikepedia so take it with a grain of salt but to me it seems like he wanted to distance futurism from kike "modern art" or "degenerate art" as Hitler would have called it (though Hitler wanted to include Futurism in a traveling exhibit of degenerate art).

Technology can be beneficial for a population and an ecosystem but only when most of the technology is in the hands of state. Shit like televisions and smartphones have been engineered to make a population weaker and more susceptible to materialism, but they have positive use when in the hands of the state. >>17245 >The modern medical industry is founded on keeping weaklings, cripples, retards and degenerates from dying when they ought to. This is not the fault of technology, this is (((private companies))) putting their capital to work for profit, regardless of how wrong it is to keep said groups of people leeching off of society. One very good example of why the state should be the bearer of technology. >Globohomo is unsustainable in the first place. They sacrifice the future for the sake of the present, favoring their own short term benefit over long term stability. In fact, this is exactly what the world has been doing since industrialization began. Wrong, Globohomo is more than sustainable as long as you have a retarded and uneducated population such as Americans that are ripe for propaganda. Descendants of great men are going out of their way to prove savages are civilized and violence is peace with no other incentive other than socialization.

>>17325 >but only when most of the technology is in the hands of state. This very obviously presupposes a healthy and virtuous state that honestly looks after the welfare of it's citizens. What could possibly go wrong? Maybe the Spartans were an example of such a healthy statehood, but there have been very few otherwise through history. Certainly no modern ones qualify AFAICT.

>>17222 >Leftists got animal testing banned this is good though

>>17326 >>17300 >jews are insidiously destroying civilized society >jews using tech to destroy against it's purpose >but muh tech problem >keeps regurgitating about muh technology bad >muh old anarcho kike guy lol

>>17339 >Jews occupy a society and install ZOG >Jews poison everything, turning everything into shit >don't just remove the jews >technology itself is this huge exception from this u should focus attention on goyim

>>17338 I like how you don't know how to read and comprehend posts being responded to (you). Just further proof that futurists are niggers or have some negro dna in their mongrel blood. Blaming everything on the Jews is a form of blue pill. Tech is one of the reasons why Jews are in power and why society has been led in decay. No matter how many times you blame the Jews you won't stop the fact the industrial revolution, printing press, and agricultural revolution have only made things worse and these weren't started necessarily by Jews. Technology is also the reason why we are in this mess. Do you think Jews would have so much power and influence if we didn't access to what created modernism? Do you still think modernity and all its degeneracy would still exist today? Technology makes the weak strong, if futurism cannot lead to an age where the legitimate strong always dominates the weak, then futurism will only accelerate further disasters.

>>17340 >Muh Jews >Muh Jews Nice argument, post when you have something intelligent to say next time.

>>17341 >Pretending people ITT think technology shouldn't be used with responsibility >making things easier on workers and families by being able to mass produce quality food and products in your countries in the past is lidderaly da most ebil thing dat evar happen! >just focus on more on muh technology even though ZOG has power and makes all the decisions based on evil spiritual destruction of Whites and parasitic mammonism >No goy you're not reading! Jews definitely don't do everything in their means they can including 2000 year old technology like minting to hurt White people or the planet in general Lol

>>17343 >making things easier on workers and families by being able to mass produce quality food and products in your countries in the past is lidderaly da most ebil thing dat evar happen! Lol are you a liberal? The agriculture revolution led to all types of health issues that didn't exist beforehand or weren't as numerous such as diabetes, food production didn't help the workers and their families, because the workers were already well fed before industrial farming and gained more nutrients than today families. The rise of productivity also ruined the agriculture labor force, brought decline to the idea of the nuclear/patriarchal family and led to farming being centered in urban areas. You're a fucking retard, you're either fascist kosher or a liberal here to subvert, which ever it is kill yourself and fuck off back to wherever you came from faggot.

>>17347 >The agriculture revolution led to all types of health issues that didn't exist beforehand or weren't as numerous such as diabetes, food production didn't help the workers and their families, because the workers were already well fed before industrial farming and gained more nutrients than today families. But then you know It was normal in the past for factory workers and working class people to not even reach their 30's to 50's. Besides this, thousands of years ago Whites were the first agricultural class that dropped low level existing as simple hunter gatherers making their food supplies stored and abundant for their survival. Old age for hard working, creating men was a complete rarity. Diabetes is nature trying to kill off the fat morons that break nature's laws by not doing anything, that don't even understand they must eat and exercise correctly. Of course the globohomo capitalist food and medical industry is addictive and totally semitic so they prop the food full with cancer, but that's just a "tech problem" instead of total judeocorruption dumb-asses like you think. >The rise of productivity also ruined the agriculture labor force, brought decline to the idea of the nuclear/patriarchal family and led to farming being centered in urban areas. You're a fucking retard, No, the types of ingrained Traitors, Jews and cultural marxists from the french bastille did you abstract clown. >you're either fascist kosher or a liberal here to subvert, which ever it is kill yourself and fuck off back to wherever you came from faggot. Relax bro, people told you anti tech crusaders to go to your dedicated thread and stop senselessly whinging here taking the easy way out of history conveniently blaming 1 SYMPTOM.

>>17350 >But then you know It was normal in the past for factory workers and working class people to not even reach their 30's to 50's. Except it really wasn't, it was unhealthy and there was frequent cases of men getting losing limbs, increasing depression, more filth which created numerous diseases dumbass. You're shilling and justifying liberal industrialism. >Diabetes is nature trying to kill off the fat morons that break nature's laws by not doing anything, No diabetes is both genetic and can be obtain from said fat morons being able to stuff themselves from food that they don't need to consume in large quantities. This is embarrassing for you to reach for excuses that you have no understanding of whatsoever. >Besides this, thousands of years ago Whites were the first agricultural class that dropped low level existing as simple hunter gatherers making their food supplies stored and abundant for their survival. No we weren't, Whites weren't creators of agriculture and we didn't need farming for survival. You are legit the problem >>17285 was talking and honestly I'm dumbass for trying to further engage with you because I be better off talking to a brick wall than as dumb as you, so this will be my last post. Agriculture farming was invented by Anatolian negroes who came from somewhere in the Middle East . Their farming methods did not save and supply Whites with more foods, because farming is barely sustainable, especially Neolithic farming, which had suffered from constant famines and relied on pure luck and certain terrain to survive on, ad matter of fact it is probably theorized that neolithic farmers were sometimes forced to hunt and gather food when their corps were failing to grow. Farming also lead to decreases in human height, race-mixing between European hunter gathers and Eastern farmers, increases in diseases, and mental disabilities that were caused by farming such as autism. Whites going down the neolithic farmer path did not save us, it only ruined us. We didn't need farming to feed ourselves that is a myth provided by urbanites and materialists justifying farming, so they can pretend as if we so desperately needed it to survive and it would be better and a preferable way of living, despite the fact that farmers suffered far more than any hunter gather within Europe when it came to feeding their families and protectioning themselves, which is one of the reasons for why the White pastoralists and Hunter-gathers chads btfo'd farmer cucks. Farming lead to environmental destruction and depopulation of exotic animals (possibly plants as well) that used to live within Europe and are now almost on the verge of extinction. To say that farming helped Whites is the biggest fantasy lie you have to come up with, even worst that the libshit elites try to sell us that the Great Reset isn't happening. >No, the types of ingrained Traitors, Jews and cultural marxists from the french bastille did you abstract clown. >When your knowledge of history is on par with leftists and have to blame everything on kikes just like leftists do with capitalism How can you defeat the kikes, if you're mentally retarded buddy?

I can understand what you're saying and totally agree with you what you said, but technology is more of a necessary evil for the current present of everything going on. Technics absolutely must not become a weakness or complete dependency and all technics shouldn't be used for degeneracy at all. Within a NS state I believe it would be better to just assert all our technology and resources on preserving nature and creating healthier generations, even Linkiola a tech critic accepted that it is inevitable for this to happen, but of course this does not mean we won't preserve nature and not try to reverse damage done by Humanity. If anything I see that Linkola, Kaczinsky and Futurism must come under one synthesis where we seek to bring a greater future where we can use tech for the better purposes.

>>17350 >But then you know It was normal in the past for factory workers and working class people to not even reach their 30's to 50's. Stop pushing this disinfo. It's a central claim by champions of (((modernity))) that they have greatly lengthened the lifespans of people. They never have, they've only improved medical technology and hygiene, leading to a decrease in infant mortality. All of this has had more negative effects than one would realize as well. Medical advancements and rises in agricultural productivity are a leading cause in the growing overpopulation of this planet, more and more consumption, more and more farmland and more and more destruction of the natural environment. But hey, that's just (((progress))), isn't it??

>>17361 It's still all related to the Jewish problem though LOL, you keep misconstruing everything people who don't just agree with you in this thread, going full retard whataboutism cultist unginged mode. It's just so much more convenient to them talking about the symptoms than the actual root cause I guess huh? Do one and stop plastering this absurd regurgitative triteness disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing where it actually is irrelevant to this thread and doesn't belong. Tech isn't a convenient scapegoat to actually solving the cause of marxist, enemy jewish pawns spreading their globally cancer in silicon valleys. Instead it's actually Jews and traitors literally doing everything they can to destroy earth and civilized peoples using anything they can get their hands on to an artificial advantage over their people who they quite literally see as slaves, in basis it's not very advanced or hard to explain omitting the fine print. Though they are using technology against us there is still good technology, it was intended to be used for good not evil. There is symptoms but we can't wholly focus on those. We have to focus on us and the main problem, which is the Jew first. A return to nature would be nice, but modern technology would make it nice as well. A good mix. Technology or society currently, is not in White hands, if we remove the Jew, attain power, and things will right themselves within a maximum of 1-10 years. >Stop pushing this disinfo. It's a central claim by champions of (((modernity))) that they have greatly lengthened the lifespans of people. They never have, they've only improved medical technology and hygiene, leading to a decrease in infant mortality. All of this has had more negative effects than one would realize as well. Medical advancements and rises in agricultural productivity are a leading cause in the growing overpopulation of this planet, more and more consumption, more and more farmland and more and more destruction of the natural environment. But hey, that's just (((progress))), isn't it?? I'm seriously not tuned into your bill gates rose tinted glass vision, Whites are only some 8-14% endangered species on earth who's normal people try to respect this planet and live gracefully and with respect for it meanwhile the rest is 86-92% uncaring fucking animal like consuming dark mongrels basically being fucking hand fed by aforementioned as a bunch of foreign aid from Zionist occupation governments and their sick enablers so that they can breed like animals and pollute their own earth.

>>17385 >It's just so much more convenient to them talking about the symptoms than the actual root cause I guess huh? Jews are the symptom, the autistic technical mindset is the root cause, and by extension technology is the problem. >it was intended to be used for good not evil Bluepilled. This entire matter is far beyond good and evil. In fact, the technological society cares not for good and evil, but only for technical requirements and effiency. Technique destroys all subjectivity, offers a single objectively "best" or most efficient solution to a problem, and then technocrats force all of society into this procrustean bed. All spontaneity and personal creativity must be subjected to organization and control. In fact, this hatred for natural inclinations and forms of organization generated naturally and organically by the people is a large part of the reason why it is now bad to be racist, or why it is bad for women to be demure little wives. It simply has no relation to technical needs. Equality is the elimination of all distinctions between individuals other than those demanded by the needs of the technological system. Anti-racism is pushed because ethnic and religious hatred are not conducive to an interconnected, globalized and cosmopolitan world. Jews can also use these to destroy White people at the same time, along with every form of organic healthy society. Simply put, modern civilization is Jewish civilization. >Nature is being rediscovered, now that technology and science have partly failed mankind’s exaggerated expectations. >Nature’s laws represent the world of the savage and barbarian; the Noahide laws represent civil society. Civilization must be intolerant toward barbarity. No compromise is possible between the monotheist God and the polytheist deities. https://jcpa.org/article/neo-paganism-in-the-public-square-and-its-relevance-to-judaism/ > Whites are only some 8-14% endangered species on earth who's normal people try to respect this planet and live gracefully and with respect for it Whites may care for Nature more than the average mud, but they are far from this image that you paint of them.

>>17389 Listen monkey get it through your head that White Aryan peoples have spent a whole lot of blood sweat and tears for over 3000 years to improve our own people so we always had food, transportation, communication, medicines, hospitals, roads, schools and bare basic necessities so we could raise a standard of living above some mud hut dwelling breeding to die for nothing troglodytes that you think is so great while not even living it. Hundreds of thousands of years have been spent by our people trying to figure out how nature works, how to do something cleverly, how to protect, and how to heal. We did this So your mother didn't have to die when she gave birth. So you could perhaps, unfortunately in retrospect go to school and learn how to read and write and talk and do mathematics properly and so you could have an understanding of what we are living on, So that our people didn't have to die from a bad scrape or die from bad circumstances. So that people didn't have to live in shacks and travel on foot, dying from eating spoiled rotten food or starving because of pure circumstance. In-fact if you can remember a time where you were seriously ill for a time you'd probably be dead if you swallowed your own fucking shit you are slinging this nigger behavior shit to us good people over a string of the White race's finest and most advanced inventions yet which have been now turned into Semitic/elite abuse tools for 150 years but now finally cultivating in an attempt of total enslavement of the west. All the gift the White race has created which, if you truly believed was evil you certainly wouldn't use as much as you do. If you actually ate your own shit you would refuse technology and abide by a set of rules you deem natural, but you don't because you're actually a fucking debilitated hypocrite weirdo. >"Jews are the symptom" >oy vey goy its some vague undefinable Hahahaha yes, you revealed yourself at last. >Just like live in a cabin goy dont talk about the JQ(the cause) so much trust me, dont eliminate the jews while kikes have their golems invent killerZOGBotTerminators from boston tech and drones to come fuck your ass up and waco you when your retarded waco cult might have gained some followers None of what we have achieved and created and is worth doing away with just because for a time in history Jews and capitalists and a varied matrix amount of subhumans but primarily Jews hijacked our goal and our mission to improve our own race and our race's humanity on a mission to shoot for the skies master the universe. We for the most part always did this for ourselves and for our own societies, not for shadowskins, marxists, faggots, kikes and other trash to sit there and misuse it share and profit off our endless labour in these areas that we have racially cultivated exclusive genetic talents for.

>I HECKIN' LOVE SCIENCE >W-WAIT YOU MEAN OUR CREATIONS ARE DESTROYING THE PLANET AND WE'RE OVERSTEPPING OUR LIMITS NOOOOO WHITE PEOPLE BUILT THIS STUFF, WE CAN'T STOP DESTROYING OURSELVES, OUR ANCESTORS BUILT IT NOOOO

>>17401 >White color man things bad thing juda grog say >live in cave and eat the brown thing better >now listen me >stop talk about juda grog and not kill >focus problem only White color man who make thing

>>17392 All this post tells me is that you are unable to seriously address anything I have said.

>>17403 >>17389 >"Jews are just the symptom" >goyim problem is akshually something vague and ummm undefinable something tech bad um uh autism and uh extension uh and stuff

>>17404 Jews, and by extension the Jewish problem, are a Symptom of the Christian Problem, which is a symptom of the Aryan Problem, Which is a Symptom of the Human problem, learn this truth and then you may speak. This isn't just about tech and never was. Three-fourths of the people on this board that I have seen speak, would fall under Archaeo-futurism on an ideological front as all of them see the ABSOLUTE necessity of keeping tech around, despite it's misuse by our enemies. Most also see the same necesssity in furthering our mastery of knowledge and science and continuing creation of NEW TECHNOLOGY. What they don't see is allowing free use of technology among our entire race and dissemination of it among us to the level of today, especially without extensive testing prior to doing so. What you want and are talking about EVERYONE here already understands FAR better than you do and has more than likely discussed it FAR more in depth than you ever will. You a re a petulant moron who thinks someone saying the PROBLEM ISN'T JUST JEWS means (((DON"T TALK ABOUT JEWS GOY))) take your low IQ takes, uninformed opinions, and tendency to call jew the moment you get any pushback, elsewhere. To the BO I suggest you ban this faggot until he gets the picture.

>>17404 Arguments: Not found You're being stupid when you assume that referring to Jews as a symptom or byproduct of an even larger problem is somehow denying the reality of the JQ or the danger of this parasitic tribe with regards to the future of our people. If one lives an unhealthy life and treats their body like shit, it's only natural that we expect that they will get ill or ravaged with health problems later in life. The same has happened to us. We as Whites have become denatured for a variety of reasons, some of which are physical, some of which are spiritual. These conditions attract Jews and make us liable to Jewish infiltration because we have created an environment conducive to Jewish influence. The Jew thrives in artificial environments, and modernity is artificial in the extreme, not to mention soulless compared to the view of the universe held up until the 1600s. The Jews are a massive danger, but there is a complex web of problems that we face as a people. I have to agree with >>17405 when he says it's possible that you just don't understand and haven't truly pondered these questions enough.

>>17389 Is it possible to make civilization less cosmopolitan or semetic?

>>17407 Yes. First we must realize that we are in the grips of the Laws of Nature, and second that efficient ordering and consumption is not the meaning of life. Once mechanistic science is overthrown (inevitable at this point), there will be a paradigm shift. Kikes will be eradicated and New Order will emerge. Of course only if people work towards this will it be emerge, anyone who tells you to sit back and wait is a useful idiot at best. Either that or the Jews will drive humanity into the ground and destroy themselves along with all civilization.

>>17405 >its so advanced guys it's not the jews at all muh extensions >ban him them disagreeing with my sophistry! >>17406 >You're being stupid when you assume that referring to Jews as a symptom or byproduct of an even larger problem is somehow denying the reality of the JQ or the danger of this parasitic tribe with regards to the future of our people. If one lives an unhealthy life and treats their body like shit, it's only natural that we expect that they will get ill or ravaged with health problems later in life. The same has happened to us. We as Whites have become denatured for a variety of reasons, some of which are physical, some of which are spiritual. These conditions attract Jews and make us liable to Jewish infiltration because we have created an environment conducive to Jewish influence. The Jew thrives in artificial environments, and modernity is artificial in the extreme, not to mention soulless compared to the view of the universe held up until the 1600s. The Jews are a massive danger, but there is a complex web of problems that we face as a people. I have to agree with >>17405 when he says it's possible that you just don't understand and haven't truly pondered these questions enough. It's not an assumption, you assume a lot of things nobody ever voted or ever asked for total jewish wealth and power and world domination to hijack our societies. But especially when it comes to dissemination of destructive technology which was unleashed on society when? Exactly when jews won and had attained power, and after World War 2 when both the east and west ZOG started carving up allies in the third-world and giving their states virtually all they wanted disseminating technology to them unnatural reforming their lives, just simply for being on their USkike vs RUkike kvetchoff chess team, while killing virtually everyone who was on the right side after WW2 and up to now. Our problem is White boomers and if not ourselves allowed this to go so far, that White traitors to do this to our nations. Nothing more. Don't try to cheat a bunch of blame where it does not belong, evolution doesn't change a man in a mere 75 years, furthermore these things have happened to us before. If all the jews and their associated agents literally all died or got defanged tomorrow and their systems dismantled we'd quite literally be free. That's what Germany did and they flourished from abstract weimar degeneracy, filth and enslavement within years that's why it seemed as such a miracle, remove the jew, but especially the mind control media jew which is their most powerful weapon so far. There's not so much more to it than that. >>17407 Yeah, removing the jews.

>tech is the problem tho guys Excuse me while i laugh

>>17410 > you assume a lot of things nobody ever voted or ever asked for total jewish wealth and power and world domination to hijack our societies. I don't assume that at all. > But especially when it comes to dissemination of destructive technology which was unleashed on society when? The late 18th century. 1945 was a turning-point in the Jews' favor, but we're talking about a problem that began nearly 200 years before this. > If all the jews and their associated agents literally all died or got defanged tomorrow and their systems dismantled we'd quite literally be free Yes, " and their systems dismantled " - glad to see that you're coming around finally.

>>17411 >implying anyone is denying this shit You're dumber than a nigger.

How is it exactly possible for someone to be this mentally retarded? BO should just ban him until he obtains a couple of braincells.

>>17413 >>17414 No need for this silly guru-fication of anything, the jewish question is a question of humanity, without adressing the JQ there will be no freedom. It's not exclusively connected with technology or anything else unless you consider the institution masonry technology in organization. >The late 18th century. 1945 was a turning-point in the Jews' favor, but we're talking about a problem that began nearly 200 years before this. Oh but wait, when did Jewish family dynasties like Rothschilds and Schiff, Warburgs form their banking dynasties to gain extreme power over monetary issuance and other matters again? (rothschilds )1785, (schiff)1880, warburgs(1798) and so on. Not including the formation, total privatization of the British national bank and the second American national bank and others? Oh that's right. Before and in the 1800's. Mayer Rothschild "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!" --They knew very well. Because the Jewish problem predates any techno buzzword guru talk.

>>17415 >not arguing until the other person rage-quits NGMI. On a more serious note, I feel like I don't have really any grounds to ban him. Obviously I could do anything I want as BO if I wanted to, but I try not to deviate from my rules too much. No one likes arbitrary moderation. If this degenerates into pure shitflinging, maybe, but I can't see the future. >>17417 >Oh but wait, when did Jewish family dynasties like Rothschilds and Schiff, Warburgs form their banking dynasties to gain extreme power over monetary issuance and other matters again? (rothschilds )1785, (schiff)1880, warburgs(1798) and so on. Not including the formation, total privatization of the British national bank and the second American national bank and others? Oh that's right. Before and in the 1800's. Mayer Rothschild "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!" --They knew very well. So you're implying that the Jews literally directed the Industrial Revolution from the very beginning, set up the banks and provided the capital? That's literally only proving the points of the anti-techies.

>>17410 >things I didn't say We cannot salve the Jewish Problem until we solve the Christian Problem BECAUSE of the Christian Problem, nor can that be solved in full until we solve the Aryan problem, which has to deal with all the Whites on earth who are not Aryan, it is highly likely we will enter into a periods of "brother wars" until we win and Christianity is dead and gone from this earth. The Human problem is the shitskins including the Jews and those among our race who drain resources from us and control resources we can use, and will need, to solve the problem of their very existence which causes suffering on an unheard of scale for nature and her Order and Balance and cause endless suffering for the Aryan Race. Go find and read a book called the Fair Races Darkest Hour, it explains at least the first two issues quite well.

If a theoretical White nation were to go full Luddite and completely abandon technology and industry, how would it defend itself against other entities who have no such compunctions?

>>17419 >So you're implying that the Jews literally directed the Industrial Revolution from the very beginning, set up the banks and provided the capital? That's literally only proving the points of the anti-techies. No, you don't understand. The point is that Jewish elites and masonic most changed from parasitism to kill all Whites mode when they specifically saw what Hitler and others did to their power structure and they want to make sure it never happens again because they will be killed/removed/not be able to be parasites under dismantled free and White systems/nations, they used USSR, America, UK as the Zio matrix for this purpose because they were near completely and utterly subverted nations as they gained the most government power there at the time, the call to end their parasitism solidified them waking them up as they were busy scamming each-other too both in western nations and in USSR. While in the past jews are ruthless conspiring international parasites and a pest they may or may have not seen the benefit of industrial technology for civilization. Nonetheless It was the WHITE Aristocrats and wealthy who pushed very much for it to better their people's lives and they were extremely passionate about it, not Jews(except much control of the printing press), to my awareness kikes didn't give much of a shit about any advancement and in the places they had power for the most part let it slide where they had that control, because anything they cannot use to their advantage to abuse for profit, escapes the Jews mind, their weird parasite minds don't see things like we see it. And if not for the idea of White civilization it was for themselves/profit only, furthermore it spread precisely because of the 90% and White wealthy precisely because they did not have total power. Because in all of this this you must consider that say, the 2% jew but especially 8% White elite(who were gradually phased out of turned traitor) relies on the 90% being obedient at all times, but this was never really completely the case in history because of the fact that they are heavily outnumbered by default, they couldn't exactly do anything they wanted they still had to grease the palm of the White man, who at that time very mistakenly most thought they were some weird looking "White" religious lunatic mutts while they solidified power because Martin Luther thanks to christkikery did not succeed in red-pilling Europeans on the parasites. They don't even have complete power yet but yes they did control a lot of monetary issuance and subversion for 200 years however they were NOT ABLE to control and micromanage the public did to a minute degree as they are now because at that time White aristocratic and wealth families still had major wealth and agency. But it's never enough for jews so then comes Marxism and Communism which was their major attempt on doing this into subverting the masses into total obedience. and so after Uncle Adolf and the Axis powers stepped up the game seeing them for the filth they are starting wars, controlling media, controlling banks and communism they stepped up the game too. Because it's never enough for jews, they quite literally believe every other race on earth must be their slave they exist for this purpose alone and kill everyone who disagrees with that, as its written in the talmud. They don't even have complete power yet in the physical form because again, 98% are not jews, they tried this with Communism and they are now trying again with "the great reset" which will be based on a technocratic neocommunist feudalism just like marxism. After WW2 they had this complete power, and so they controlled all society including technological advancement after WW2 in-other-words 1945 where the wrong side won. That was when they could finally and completely completely solidify their power because by that faction winning WW2 they scared the elites who, most turned traitor into submission when they understood what had happened. >We cannot salve the Jewish Problem until we solve the Christian Problem Fuck christcucks, they are just retarded golems, as retarded as civnats and other gullibles that believe in the democracy religion, the fags who believe in the democracy religion are just as bad. If we finally can manage to kill the kikes and their control and get out of this christkikes and demokikecy will be phased out.

>>17425 Everything you just said, everyone here who isn't a newfag already knows, so why are you being stupid? >Fuck christcucks, they are just retarded golems, as retarded as civnats and other gullibles that believe in the democracy religion, the fags who believe in the democracy religion are just as bad. If we finally can manage to kill the kikes and their control and get out of this christkikes and demokikecy will be phased out. Now please tell me how we do that when any effort to organize an effective resistance is shut down, disavowed, and shit all over by those very same people, Lets not forget how they federally inform quite openly and yet we keep allying with them. this naive attitude is endemic even among the more based non-abrahamist people I've met on Telegram, you still have them saying we can USE some Christians and even White Muslims they're stuck in imitation of the ideology of Adolf Hitler because they want to imitate him even had some of these same people shit on me for jumping on some dumb fuck disavowing violence, and trying to conflate me with the low tier easily burned out siegefags, who and I quote "usually only last 18 months because they join up full of hate and nothing changes" and "to talk about violence esoterically not like the exoteric siegeniggers" essentially revealing that Serrano, Evola and their spiritual crap and all thed others like them are basically just larping to hide their true intentions, and make the feds look at them like crazy people. Huge lecture all for them to realize that I agreed with their strategy of building communities, while understanding that most of them are likely cowards who won't do any fighting because they have kids and a wife and they can't maintain them, a job and the hate. Please forward a workable stratagem, I'd love to hear it, as thats what I am working on while trying and so far failing to find a way to fund not only an organization but myself.

>>17425 >If we finally can manage to kill the kikes and their control and get out of this christkikes and demokikecy will be phased out. It really has to be the other way around. Christcucks are literally the number one problem that we face—not in the sense that they are the one’s ultimately in control, because they’re obviously stupid golems like you said, but because as a offshoot of the larger JQ the semitic mind-virus stultifies the minds of our people. To put it another way, it turns them into moralfags. Slave morality turns them into a doormat—turn the other cheek, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, love your enemy, there is no Greek or Jew, etc. As long as these types of sentiments are common in our people it is a thousand times harder to gas kikes or take any positive action. >>17426 >thats what I am working on while trying and so far failing to find a way to fund not only an organization but myself. Trying to make a group? Like a legit one? (not online only I mean)

The way I see it, ludditsm is a dead end, which will never advance our people beyond what they are now. I think technology does cause some problem, especially when it comes to the environment, and people's mental health. But I don't think the solution is to get rid of all technology, and live like Hunter-Gatherers until the end of time. I think a well managed totalitarian state could easily solve most of the problems that we associate with technology; while still advancing our people's power, and knowledge of the universe. Part of what makes Europeans so great is their ability to create great civilizations, and technologies. A nigger might be fine with spearing Zebra, and living in a shack made of his own shit for his entire life. But niggers are a dead end, no different than the chimps that they share the jungles with. In their natural state, Africans would live as they always have, until the next mass extinction eventually comes, and wipes them out. Never truly making their mark on the universe. But Europeans are different, our "Faustian Spirit" has lead us to conquer the world, understand the underlying processes that make up the universe, and build technological marvels. It is what has made our race so successful, our drive to explore, to conquer, and understand everything that we can. And to give that all away, because of the temporary side effects of our progress, because we're exploited by parasites, is fucking stupid. The negative effects of our technological society are just more challenges to be overcome, not grounds to abandon all of our advancement, and live like niggers for the rest of our existence.

>cherry picking examples for my side and not the side I don't like proves we're smarter Guess which race is disproportionately overrepresented in the Nobel Prize?

>>17222 ><Leftists ridicule space travel. They also invented space travel.

>>17455 Gagarin's rocket was based on technology invented by NatSocGermany.

>>17452 >mix with europeans >get nobel prize

>>17452 all these jewish sycophants were and are just piggy-backing on research and discoveries made by White men in academic institutions created by White men. It's the race-typical parasitic behaviour to leech off the host.

>>17452 >Einstein Wow, he built off a foundation completely laid by gentiles such as Lorentz and Poincare. This is the power of Ashkenazi intelligence

>>17452 >Guess which race is disproportionately overrepresented in the Nobel Prize? Sorry, Nepotism and credit stealing has nothing to do with intelligence schlomo. Furthermore Einstein was a theoretical brainkike literally stealing his e=mc^2 from Olivio De Pretto's ½mv^2 and H.A Lorentz, much of special relativity is embedded in Lorentz ‘Theory of Electrons’. Who published the ideas of the relativity theory earlier and Einstein did not cite them at all in his publications. If we have learned anything repeated cohencidences like this do not exist. Einstein plagiarized other scientists and literally denied every and all credit to other scientists. The public didn't know much about De Pretto and H.A Lorentz who both lived at the same time as Einstein so it was easy to steal and prop up some jew, the others were not elevated to famous status by Jewish moguls and printing press but because Einstein was a "German"-Jew. Einstein's most famous formula was a stolen framework already theorized and explained by other people (De pretto, H.A Lorentz) which einstein altered and repacked to avoid problems to then be wrongly touted as "infallible" "omg!! jewish megarmind!111", many of these laws keeps being proven wrong and a gray area and disputed by modern physics information relating to astronomy already which conflicts this "law of totality" but physicists are still taught to adhere to Einstein because muh jew. In essence Einstein was a dirty jew ghost writer who ripped off other physicists who lived at the same time he did without putting credit where it's due. And was elevated to a false god-hood status by jews, just like saulk and other jews. Einstein only stands out in "importance" because he was promoted, and propped up allowed by his semite tribe to explain these concepts to the general public in a simple manner. Essentially he was his time's version of a verified content stealer and plagiarizer. Nothing more.

>>17452 Did you find yourself on here from reddit or an assmad christcuck? Either way pretending to be retarded is not going to help your case on anything.

>>17432 Yes, thats my intention.

>>Nature’s laws represent the world of the savage and barbarian; the Noahide laws represent civil society. Civilization must be intolerant toward barbarity. False dichotomy, the ideal way of living is to live as a noble savage or civilized savage. Civility and savagery shouldn't have a distinction, but something that can become one lifestyle where we live in ties with nature/savagery and civility turned into something much more friendly to nature. Going around burning, enslaving, killing, looting, raping those outside of our tribe/race, while respecting our nation's laws and cultures is the ideal way of living (Spartans lived a similar way). I believe that the Romans and Greeks themselves secretly wanted to live similarly to that of the Gauls and Germans rather than obeying by what is considered to be civilization.

>>17658 Keep us in the loop, anon.

OP here. I had work. >>17299 >soldiers maimed from war are better off dead >The baby is suffering there is no need for it to live I'm sorry, could you clarify? Because to me it sounds like you're literally arguing against the concepts of medicine and surgery. >>17301 Here's CT's video on it: https://www.bitchute.com/video/S6EYHMXUeVKS/ Pretty good, except that one part about destroying museums. >>17336 Why on earth do so many fascists think like this? "Most of the 7.5 billion humans are mongrels who should be gassed, but you know what are valuable? ZEBRAS. Now THOSE we just gotta protect!" >>17424 It couldn't. This is what unabomber fans don't understand, and whenever you press them about how we're supposed to fight off tank divisions with bows and arrows, they just mumble quotes about strength. >>17432 >>17658 You know what we need more than anything? A logistics/infrastructure group that would do no public activism, but instead focus entirely on behind the scenes work: everything from jobs networks to legal support to communications/alt-tech/infosec. If I was ready to go public myself that's exactly what I'd do. The only problem is, how to attract people to an organization that by definition is nothing but grindingly slow, boring book/paperwork and esoteric technical challenges with no excitement or glory.

>>18491 And a new complaint: >The Vietcong, IRA, and Afghanis didn't need any fancy gizmos, and they did just fine! 1. "An army marches on its stomach" - The greatest general in history, by which he meant logistics. "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles" - The second greatest general in history, by which he meant SIGINT and HUMINT. In the modern age, logistics and intelligence depend on electronics. This is simply a truism, regardless of your feelings. 2. The Vietcong had a massive, massive logistics network that was years in the making, virtually half the country was one big farm. 3. Ireland (All of it, not just the north) is smaller than Maine. The IRA totaled 5,000 - 8,000 members max. The US is no more comparable here than it is when leftists say we should go green or ban guns like Sweden or Norway. They also had a formidable network of suppliers overseas. 4. AlQaeda and ISIS both had MASSIVE technical infrastructure, who told you they didn't? AlQaeda had their own websites, servers, and encryption programs and ISIS was even more online. And lastly, I happened upon this video which may be relevant to this thread. Any thoughts?

>>18491 Well we could easily cooperate using you and your group as the public facing guys, who keep within the law and do what we will need after the wars, and do vetting and other such stuff for potential warriors whop want to be where the action is going to be.

>>18491 >Why on earth do so many fascists think like this? "Most of the 7.5 billion humans are mongrels who should be gassed, but you know what are valuable? ZEBRAS. Now THOSE we just gotta protect!" It's because you are suffering from residual bluepill. National Socialism operates on an entirely different scale of values than judaic anthropocentric hubris. Read 'The Lightning and the Sun' To quote at length: >"Georges Blond cannot help mentioning the fact (although he may not give it its full significance) when he actually writes that “friendliness and kindness towards children and animals were recommended to S.S. men.”" >"They were not recommended, in fact, to S.S. men alone, but to each and every National Socialist. They are in absolute keeping with the whole philosophy of the Swastika, which is a typically life-centred one. They are in keeping with those simple and beautiful commandments contained in that which the Nuremberg judges have condemned as Alfred Rosenberg’s “Nazi Catechism”: “Thou shalt be brave. Thou shalt never do anything mean. Thou shalt contemplate and love God in all living creatures, animals and plants. Thou shalt keep thy blood pure....” (Nothing is more cowardly and more mean than indifference to the suffering of dumb creatures, let alone than cruelty towards them). The most one can say is that S.S. men, being the élite of the National Socialist forces, were to set the example of a definitely life-centred scale of values, with all that it implies. >"People who have, on the contrary, a scale of values rooted in what I have called the “superstition of man” — i.e. more or less all people of this Dark Age, — are puzzled at the thought of that “kindness towards children” so strongly stressed by National Socialist ethics and, one should add, so thoroughly practised by the Führer himself. “And what about the Jewish children, who were no better treated than their elders by Himmler’s men?,” they retort “And what about the deficient children of all races, who were ‘liquidated’ as useless consumers of valuable energy? Or about those babies who were not even deficient — and not Jewish — and who were, nevertheless, under the supervision of National Socialist doctors, ‘painlessly put to sleep’ because it was, amidst the atrocious conditions that prevailed in Germany at the end of the war, no longer possible to feed them?”2 The world’s reaction to the National Socialist and in particular to the S.S. attitude towards animals is quite different, but perhaps even more characteristic of this Dark Age mankind — even more instructive. It has been dearly expressed by all those who, having heard that vivisection had been declared illegal in the Third Reich, at the Führer’s orders, find it “queer” that, in the same State “against Time,” concentration camps were tolerated as a necessity. It has been clearly expressed by Count Robert d’Harcourt in his preface to the French translation of Adolf Hitler’s “Tisch Gespräche,” published in 1952: “Humanity towards animals bestiality towards human beings — we have seen that mystery of coexistence.... At Dachau, at Buchenwald, the torturers who used to push their victims into the gas chambers ... were those same men who would nurse a wounded dog’s paw with all a hospital sister’s tender care.”1 In the first case: bewilderment and indignation. In the second case: also bewilderment, but an indignation of a still baser nature; an indignation rooted in the bitterness of wounded conceit; in the jealousy of the two-legged mammal who cannot bear the thought of anybody treating a four-legged creature better than him or at least better than certain specimens of his kind. In both cases, on the part of the alleged defenders of “liberty,” a complete lack of understanding for any scale of values which is the denial of their own; in both cases, on the part of the average man, soaked in his man-centred superstition, — for millenniums accustomed to regard his increasingly decaying brood as the centre of all things — hatred; wild hatred for that iron Legion of men “against Time” who love cosmic Perfection, not “man”; or, at the most, man and all creatures, to the extent they reflect and announce cosmic Perfection

>>18491 >I'm sorry, could you clarify? Because to me it sounds like you're literally arguing against the concepts of medicine and surgery. No this is just you being mentally retarded, medicine and surgery, also saves the weak. A maimed soliders who loses his limbs is better off dead and a severely sick child with genetic or some form illness that prevents him from having a strong immune system is also better off dead. Morons like you excusing and justifying overpopulation and dysgenic offsprings roaming the Earth. >Why on earth do so many fascists think like this? "Most of the 7.5 billion humans are mongrels who should be gassed, but you know what are valuable? ZEBRAS. Now THOSE we just gotta protect!" I don't see the problem you humanist faggot. 7.5 billion humans are fucking over the thing that brought us life, the thing that is more beautiful and magnificent than any machine that humans have built. A zebra isn't shitting up our environments and spewing anti-White bullshit, so it's only perfectly natural that we prefer animals over niggers. Animals are more worthy of saving than some useless chink or nigger who's wasting up the free oxygen. If you want you can be next in line to be gassed for your stupid statements.

Zebra: >majestic >lives in harmony with Nature by instinct >doesn't shit up the planet >doesn't bother Whites at all >doesn't compete with Whites at all Nigger: >ugly as sin >incapable of surviving without welfare >lives in filth >rapes, kills and steals from Whites >competes intensely with Whites The choice is simple.

>>18491 >Why on earth do so many fascists think like this? "Most of the 7.5 billion humans are mongrels who should be gassed, but you know what are valuable? ZEBRAS. Now THOSE we just gotta protect!" Yeah you're sounding like a Jew, and with the link cultured thug about futurism is kinda of reinforcing that as truth as well. I don't see the point you're trying to make that puts fascists as morons, because what has a Zebra ever done that is more harmful than what a nigger can do or has done? Futurism is a stupid idea that thinks only of science fiction and reinforcing what the the technocrats are trying to do in the first place. 7.5 billion humans haven't done anything other than waste up our natural resources and materials, ruin and degrade our environments, and brought vital and majestic creatures to endangerment. If you have a problem with fascists not wanting to further fuck up the Earth than you can always become a Nrx Jew and shill your larp somewhere else.

>>17222 It is nice to see some pro-technology and science fascists on this bored instead of just the primtards, space is the final frontier, it is our destiny to be among the stars and it is our only chance for continued survival, adapt or die, progress and innovation is inevitable, we will never return to a pre-industrial agrarian society no matter how hard you larp i am sorry to burst your bubble, Ted is a good, humble and intelligent man but his "utopia" will never see the light of day, and technology can be used to help nature, not just destroy it, we will spread God's creations all over the dead planets in the cosmos, you either march forward with us, or be left behind, it may be a hard pill to swallow, but it is one that must be, technology is not the problem, it is who controls it, it is merely a tool that can fall in the right or wrong hands.

>>18526 Futurism is an utopian samefag nigger.

>>18505 Unfortunately niggers and other races have had their culture tainted by christcucks and other do-gooder marxist faggots who have been hellbent in rejecting anthropological biologial differences in different human races. The marxist and christcuck ingrates thought these races' primal culture and state of life was somehow "wrong" or "bad" because of their petty low IQ essentially marxist conceptions of nature in the way those races were living naturally and tried to artificially "uplift" them based on marxist inclinations and falsehoods and then to make things worse after WW2 when jews won the war allowed them access to artificial things like technology in order to "better them". As everyone can see today the artificial does not top their nature, it does not make their race better, it makes them worse and unnatural. A very crude anecdote would be a tranny who cuts their dick off and pretends they are women. In the subraces it's the same, technology allows them to pretend they are White and are above nature at a glance, but looking at their society and nature destructive ways anyone can see that they and their behavior have absolutely not changed at all, it's simply been artificially amplified by a variety of spiritual semites. If it weren't for those marxists and protomarxists those races would be living naturally in their natural environments in harmony with their evolutionary state. If it weren't for those facts and they still lived their natural self-developed way today I wouldn't see anything wrong with them other than them being different and primal. But they don't so here we are.

>>18533 Adding to this for people who can't read between the lines, marxists in various forms have essentially tainted and destroyed other race's racial culture and while making them unnatural amplified their underdeveloped i.e destructive subracial and behaviors. The worst thing is, these scumbag fucking spiritual semites don't see anything wrong with it at all, this is why they're so dangerous and why they must be and should be eliminated along with the Jews. Their dangerous nature rejecting form of "thought" must be eradicated through reform. In-fact their school of "thought" would not exist in societies where the Axis Powers had won and we would have understand that we should pride ourselves in our nature and earth as White people, and that it's our responsibility to uplift ourselves, not other races, anything else would have been wrong and interference, similar anecdotally to the lines of "alien contact".

When you think about it without all the technology introduced in the last 100 years Jews would never have been able to succeed in usurping our nations from us and keeping us down.

I am personally inclined to like developments in STEM fields but I also want forests, mountains, etc., as well as traditional forms of architecture, to coexist with them.

>>18526 >that image from James Cameron's Avatar Siding with the humans in that film is actually peak bluepill. Avatar is one of the most Fascist films of all time, and it is not because the "evil" humans coming to dominate natives for resources, but because of the Na'vi.Everyone should read this PDF: >My thesis is that in his valorization of the organic and primal interconnectedness of the Na'vi, and in his denigration of the modern mechanical disconnectedness of human culture, Cameron comes very close to advocating a form of fascism. >Like the Nazis, the Na'vi consider the members of their tribe to be integral parts of a larger organims. We see this dramatized during the final conflict, when even the planet's animal species join in the fight. All forms of life are depicted as sharing a mystical bond that leads them to feel another's pain and to come to another's aid when threatened. The sacrifice of each individual is an investment in the long-term health of Pandora. >By depicting an idealized, attractively alien, fascist culture and stripping it of all its negative historical baggage, Cameron has succeeded in tapping into a deep well of fascist sympathy in Western culture... In our present historical period of change and uncertainty, as the phenomenon of nihilism makes another of its recurrent appearances on our cultural scene, perhaps Americans hav become especially susceptible to the allures of fascist thinking. Other leftists have called attention to the "Green Fascism" of Avatar. https://www.good.is/articles/avatar-s-green-fascism Less related, but interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4c8avw6qo8

>>18575 Do you think the upcoming sequels will be cucked or kino?

>>18569 Same. But apparently some people here would call me a subhuman if I dare use any tech. And if they're so inclined to not use tech, then leave the imageboard then and stop using a computer.

>>18576 I'm feeling they'll be kino. It's clear that Cameron isn't just trying to churn out trash for the plebs to consume as fast as possible given the fact that it originally came out in 2009 and now it's fucking 2021 now.

>>18578 Hopefully so, it is rare to find good films these days.

>>18578 And it will be a great shame after all this build up if they are not.

>>18580 >>18581 Yeah it would be really unfortunate if it turned out that the wait was all for nothing, or even worse if the movie got injected with pozz. Now it isn't coming out until December 2022. I've have been waiting nearly half my life by the time this shit comes out.

>>18582 >18582 It will either be one of the best art projects or biggest disapointments of the decade, of course the consoomers will praise it regardless of the outcome, we will just have to wait and see.

>>18494 >Brandon would soon decide that capacitors were insufficient, and that his watermelon problem required a much more powerfull energy source. >>18504 So you are in fact arguing against *healing the injured*. Great. Glad we're on the same page. >>18575 >>18576 >Muh blue-skinned shitskins. >Muh noble savage. Are you two on more drugs than floyd? That movie was so antiWhite it disgusted me when I was nine, it's literally nothing but a four hour long evil Whitey speech. And if you recall, the Na'vi *were losing* the final battle until Cameron pulled a deus ex out of his ass with the animals attacking.

>>18697 I think the anon just cares more about the pro-nature messege of the movie rather than the race (or in this case species?) war in it.

>>18697 >That movie was so antiWhite On the surface but if you start to view the human side as the multi-racial multi-cultural globalist (((capitalist))) imperialists oppressing the Na'vi, an ethnic homogeneous race, tall and handsome with no retards around but a warrior caste living in harmony with the law of nature the other anon makes sense

>>17290 Survival of the fittest? But how do we test our technology? Propose we have a method of keeping ourselves alive with technology. Then shouldn't we test it on some inferior little shits first? Say they survive, might be inferior now, but in 20 years they'll be a fully formed slave with inherent programming from the school system, they can be integrated into my company. But if they grow up a cripple, they can always be experimented on.

>>18697 >So you are in fact arguing against *healing the injured*. You're a shitlib who lost their way on here. You do know that surgery and modern medicine aren't the only ways to heal people right? No matter how many times you moralfag muh tech, muh injured it's not invalidating anything.

>>18697 You think Avatar was anti-White because you're taking it far too literally. The 'bad guys' are certainly almost all White humans, but you are bluepilled when it comes to looking at the characterizations of each group. The humans in Avatar are little better than space Jews. They destroyed their planet and turned it into a borderline unlivable hellworld, so now they hop from planet to planet to exploit other worlds and turn them into shit too. They are the rootless cosmpolitans of space. The Na'vi on the other hand are a species which is in harmony with the the Natural Order and all of the life that is a part of it. They are connected to their blood and soil in the most literal of senses in that they can connect neurally. They are an idealized version of man if he had not become a rootless bugman out of tune with Nature. >And if you recall, the Na'vi *were losing* the final battle until Cameron pulled a deus ex out of his ass with the animals attacking. You just didn't understand. Eywa is a planet-sized superorganism, and the build up to this had been shown quite clearly throughout the film. It is best to view it as a personification of the Natural Order, and how despite everything the rootless capitalist space Jews did, they could not overcome Nature or the organic unity of Na'vi among themselves and the life of Pandora. It is one of the most redpilled films of all time. Watch it again with these thoughts in mind.

>>18575 >Attributing things that all humans do " us vs them thinking, fighting enemies" is "fascist >Race is le magik That PDF is cringe as fuck

>>18732 That's what you get from Marxist academia

>>18707 >But if they grow up a cripple, they can always be experimented on. Yikes. Even thought I despise liberals I have my limits man.

>>18707 Better to just abort congenital cripples. Human experimentation if you really need it would be better done on prisoners.

>>18792 >Yikes. Even thought I despise liberals I have my limits man. >Yikes You are a liberal

Imagine thinking this is bad

>>18947 Looks awesome. Was this a closed dome or windows/glass in a steelframe?

>>18974 It's from a TV show, it didn't exist.

>>19006 Man in the High Tower?

>>19006 >It's from a TV show, it didn't exist. Shame, it should. It looks just like something Albert Speer couldve dreamed up

>>19009 >>19009 It IS somthing that Speer (and Hitler) dreamed up, that is the Volkshalle that they planned to build after the war.

>>18947 This doesn't exist and has never existed, you're not making a point.

>>19051 >imagine >(you)

>>18947 >when you're reduced to showing CGI from Jewish-produced TV shows to show how based tech is

>>19111 >>Imagine Yeah something that only comes out of your mind.

>>19298 The mind is the realm of possibilities

>>19299 Sure, but it can also be incredibly stupid like thinking that building some neoclassical NS building has any benefits other than purely about aesthetic along with trying to convince that cool buildings = futurism good.

>>19301 >>19241 >cave dwellers get this unhinged by picture of technology >while they use more advanced technology to post Pure cringe

>>19315 >Star Trek

>>19318 anti-tech hasbara confirmed

>>19315 >>19320 >unironically thinking that Star Trek can be made a reality >unironically watches and enjoys this soy stain of a show made by a degenerate shitlib The absolute state of futurists/post-modernists and you call us LARPers.

Why is it that the tech debate is the most contentious of them all?

>>19345 I don't know I guess a new unchecked type of LARP from people with too much time on their hands popped up, they want to show how totally rad hardcore into symptoms they are, all despite themselves totally overusing it to post cringe ITT. >>19335 this guy even unknowingly admits it. In a way they remind me of butthurt ancap hypocrites from 4chaim back in the day whenever the NAP got brought up, bringing up this one topic is like playing a magic flute that fries their synapses.

>>19360 >new On the contrary, we have nearly 20,000 posts here and the 13th post here was the anti-tech thread. There have been anti-tech threads on every iteration of /fascist/ from 8chan onwards

Of course stopping using of tech and go living in cave is MUCH EASIER, because of "muh pacifism" and "if you kill your enemies, they win" tier moralfaggotry. But removing the jew and their golems from position of power in our society is MUCH HARDER, because it involves obligatory struggle, thus knowledge, discipline, will, and using of violence in the process.

>>19424 Why do you think that criticism of modern technology implies any sort of moralfaggotry or pacifism?

>>19337 You shouldn't call something LARP and cringe when you've been samefagging and think that Star Goys is a possibility I suggest you find something better in your life other than thinking imaginary space ships and Imperium of Mankind is ever going to be possibility. >>19424 >Of course stopping using of tech and go living in cave is MUCH EASIER, because of "muh pacifism" and "if you kill your enemies, they win" tier moralfaggotry. What the hell are you on about? No one has even implied this considering this board has been nothing, but anons inciting violence and been preaching might is right and that being ruthless towards our enemy is a must. You're the one who thinks that much tech and removing muh Jews will fix everything despite modern tech being the thing that helped Jews stay in power. I'm wondering if you're being purposely stupid.

>>19434 Bruh, you're actually retarded if you think we're going to get rid of all technology so you can larp as Conan the Barbarian.

>>19522 There's an infinitely higher probability that the entire system will collapse and regress into some sort of weird pre-industrial society built among the wreckage of the industrial society than any sort of Star Trek LARP coming true. Also no one ever said "get rid of all technology".

>Bruh Also nice nigger speak

>>19523 I don't believe in "Star Trek" or whatever, but it's equally unlikely thousands of years of technological advancement are going to just magically disappear even in the event of total system collapse. You're never going to live in Skyrim, friend. Even in the case that it did, eventually technology would advance enough in some societies, that any society that didn't embrace technological change would be out-competed by those that did, as happened historically. >>19524 Niggers are naturally pure beings, who lived in harmony with nature until the evil White man and his medicine, and factories came and forced him to become goys for technological, industrial, capitalism. Why shouldn't I talk like a nigger when their lifestyle is the ideal way to live?

>>19528 >it's equally unlikely thousands of years of technological advancement are going to just magically disappear even in the event of total system collapse. This was already pre-emptively addressed in the the very post you are replying to when I referred to a "weird pre-industrial society built among the wreckage of the industrial society". It will never magically disappear, in fact the planet will show signs of what has happened in modern times for millennia to come. Progression of technology is not linear either. Civilizations rise and fall, and with them so do forms of technology, especially when we are talking about complex, organization-dependent forms of technology, which is what most people here are calling attention to and criticizing. >Even in the case that it did, eventually technology would advance enough in some societies, that any society that didn't embrace technological change would be out-competed by those that did, as happened historically. I do not deny this either. Selection favored those societies which, in the short term, were able more-rigorously organize and collectivize themselves. This is what happened with Europeans against almost every other group of humans on the planet. However, what is effective in the short-term may be self-defeating in the long-term, as our current system most certainly is. Kaczynski addresses this: >suppose a forested region is occupied by a number of small, rival kingdoms. Those kingdoms that clear the most land for agricultural use can plant more crops and therefore can support a larger population than other kingdoms. This gives them a military advantage over their rivals. If any kingdom restrains itself from excessive forest-clearance out of concern for the long-term consequences, then that kingdom places itself at a military disadvantage and is eliminated by the more powerful kingdoms. Thus the region comes to be dominated by kingdoms that cut down their forests reckles sly. The resulting deforestation leads eventually to ecological disaster and therefore to the collapse of all the kingdoms. Here a trait that is advantageous or even indispensable for a kingdom's short-term survival-recklessness in cutting trees-leads in the long term to the demise of the same kingdom >This example illustrates the fact that, where a self-prop system exer­cises foresight, in the sense that concern for its own long-term survival and propagation leads it to place limitations on its efforts for short-term survival and propagation, the system puts itself at a competitive disadvantage relative to those self-prop systems that pursue short-term survival and propagation without restraint. And this is exactly what we see today.

this will sound cliche, but technology is a two-edged sword. it's not inherently bad, what matters is how it's used, it can be creative or destructive. some of the best sci-fi I've ever read is the Dune novels, which tell a complex story about charismatic leadership, politics, economics, ecology, and long-term human survival. in the books, humans fill the role of machines with specialized training, eg mentats work as human computers (Frank Herbert was writing in the 60s/70s/80s, before the computer/internet revolution really took off, I wonder if he would've handled it differently if he wrote them later, but I digress). anyway, in the backstory of the books, there was a time long ago when the fictional society became decadent and dependent on machines/computers; this led to the Butlerian Jihad, a violent upheaval to overthrow dependence on machines. this is referred to throughout the books, and there's a notable quote from God Emperor on this: >"The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines," Leto said. "Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed." the decadent society was over-reliant on machines, to the point that human ability slowly atrophied; this also led to us using each other as machines to be manipulated. all this should sound quite familiar. when used correctly, technology augments us, helps us survive and defend ourselves, and saves tedious labor. however, technology can also be a cancer. >>19523 I've thought of this possibility. if society collapses, technology won't disappear, but large-scale institutions will. that strange new world would be like the early modern period mixed with current tech. we'd use sailing ships and laptops, with limited electric power.

>>18711 Then by all means, explain what you intend to treat leukemia and people who need heart transplants with. And please don't say herbs and meditation. >>18717 I understand where you're coming from, but I think it's pretty obvious Cameron didn't intend for that to be the theme. The Na'vi were intended to be indians and the humans were intended to be Colonial Settlers or pilgrims. Jake *literally* betrays his race and sleeps with a nonhuman (meant to be a nonWhite). Maybe there are some positive themes but I wouldn't call it based.

>>19880 I guess it would depend on how much one values the intentions of the author. I definitely don't think it was created with this sort of interpretation in mind.

>>19522 >Bruh, you're actually retarded if you think we're going to get rid of all technology so you can larp as Conan the Barbarian. LMAO