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Italy Thread Blackshirt 11/24/2020 (Tue) 21:52:38 ID: 6832db No.13962
This thread is dedicated to the discussion of Italian history, culture, religion(s), fascists, etc. Italy is home of fascism's founders and inspirators who brought home our institutions and ideals, along being the descendants of the Roman Empire, which has been another inspiration on many fascists as well. Italy has some of the greatest works in artwork to paintings, statues, and theatrics. It's quite fascinating that a nation of people went from warriors who ruled Europe, West Asia, and North Africa to a people who are known to be masters of art.
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I hope to see lots of A E S T H E T I C futurist art ITT. Attached is the Manifesto of Futurism
werent they, like, actually nordic, though?
>>13972 I can't say if they were Nordic or not, but I do know that there are Nordics in Italy due to the German migration. Whether they are Nordic or not does not matter to me.
there was an older thread like that that kept sliding
>>13978 It just went off the catalog a few days ago I think
>>13973 >Whether they are Nordic or not does not matter to me. are you an abrahamist?
>>13980 >are you an abrahamist? Are you retarded? They aren't Nordic, no one wants to mix with med faggots, but saying that a people who don't even look Nordic today are the same as Germans is dumb.
>>13982 Italy is a large country it's not the same from north to south plenty of Italians look nordic
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Why was he originally so weak on Jews and race?
>>14084 Maybe because much of southern Italy is a racial shit stew
>>14084 May have been because Mussolini didn't want a civil war to erupt within a weaken Italy and saw that things needed to be unified and consistent to get the country going forward. If I recall there were kikes who were in power before Mussolini's regime.
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>>14087 >>14086 I understand treading carefully in regards to the obvious racial divide between North and South (I honestly don't know how one would even alleviate or work around that problem), but it has always been strange to me how exactly they failed to realize the connection between Jews and communism, or the powers of International Jewish finance in general and how they are against the nation-state. Either way, this is certainly not me trying to hate on Mussolini, regardless of the why, he was certainly willing to get closer to Hitler despite his earlier unfriendly attitude towards the Third Reich, and to adopt various racial laws.
>>13997 I agree. Southern Italy was once Greek while Northern Italy was once ruled by Germans. Hell, there are many germans still living in Northern Italy . So it's difficult to tell if they truly have Northern heritage , but one thing is certain, Italy is as European as any other euro nation.
>>14353 The thing here is, Southern Italy was only Greek during antiquity and then afterwards it became more Romanized, who are now a mixture of Greek and Roman and Northern Italy was only ruled by Germans with their DNA not really affecting the wider genetic scale. Italians on a genetic scale are more of a mixture of med and Euro. The average Italian are about as Euro as a Sicilian Arab or a Spaniard.
Ciao brutti stronzi real italian here to tell you you're all idiotic assholes and to debunk some of your shitty opinions >>13972 >>14353 the south has been colonized by mores for centuries and the north was inhabitated by populations so backwards they hadn't even discovered farming when they first entered in contact with the romans. And remember that the ancient romans had an extremely strong homosexual culture, wich is actually extremely fine. what wasn't fine is how they threated women and that they had slavery. So in the end I'd say that today most italians can be described as "White" but they're a mix of both african, german and greek ancestry, wich is super cool because every nationality and religion is pretty and equally cool >>14088 Lol WTF are you even talking about? Hitler hated Mussolini and the italians, he unironically respected the english, his enemies, more than he respected his italian allies. And Mussolini started caving in regard of racial laws because he knew Italy was in a piss poor state (his government even admitted they wouldn't be able to participate in a war untill 1948) and needed Germany's industrial strenght to survive. he implemented those stupid racial laws only because he hoped to strenghten relationships. >>14087 what the fuck are you even talking about? Giovanni Giolitty was Italy's prime minister before Mussolini and he was a liberal and somewhat conservative. He allowed the fascist party to enter the government because he thought they were clowns that could be controlled and used to prevent his government from falling. He was right about them being clowns, not about them beinh harmless, sadly >>14084 Even if there has always been (and there still is to some extent) racism towards southerners, italy's population isn't really divided in any particular way racially, and from a religious standpoint Italy has always been pretty homogenously catholic, so the jews minority here were extremely small. Simply put Mussolini didn't immediately implement racist laws because no italian (even him) actually cared about this stupid (and imaginary) racial divisions, not inside the national at least. Ho detto tutto, ricordatevi però che siete tutti deglistronzi e che la vostra esistenza è una disgrazia per tutto il mondo, fate schifo ed andate a fanculo. Buonanotte :^)
>>14972 >the ancient romans had an extremely strong homosexual culture >wich is actually extremely fine >every nationality and religion is pretty and equally cool Retard detected.
>>14972 It seems a faggy Italian leftists found himself on here. >the south has been colonized by mores for centuries and the north was inhabitated by populations so backwards they hadn't even discovered farming The North has had farming since Rome was a mere city, the North had gotten farming from Neolithic populations who invaded Italy, so you're full of shit trying to say that the North was backwards especially when Southerns barely can keep with the Northerns, who have always been the bulk of Italy when it comes to military and the economy and it's been like this since the Roman empire. >And remember that the ancient romans had an extremely strong homosexual culture, wich is actually extremely fine. Except they did not, the Romans did not tolerate homosexuality like degenerates think they did, so you're full of shit. You could get executed or shamed in public for having relations with another male as if Augustus did not stress this enough with his requirements of Romans needing to formulate families. You morons really like to pretend that ancients weren't orthodox. >Lol WTF are you even talking about? Hitler hated Mussolini and the italians, he unironically respected the english, his enemies, more than he respected his italian allies. Also no he didn't Hitler showed more respect to his Italian comrades than he did the English. Hitler wanted the British to join his cause, because he admired, but he never was willing to give up on the Italian who had more sense than the British. Hitler admired Mussolini saw him as a inspirator and he loved Italians and their history of Rome and somewhat to create something similar to that you're full of shit. >He allowed the fascist party to enter the government because he thought they were clowns that could be controlled and used to prevent his government from falling. >They were clowns >but they were smart and good enough to prevent the government from failling Also you're wrong the Italain fascist party was elected, because they were more preferable than the commies. Mussolini also already had enough support from the working class already, thus another reason why Mussolini had to be in power to prevent a civil war or a disaster. After he got elected, Mussolini obtained upmost respect of both his supporters and even he opposition because of his charisma and brilliance of being able to keep the nation together for the sake of the Italian republic and it's inhabitants. >Simply put Mussolini didn't immediately implement racist laws because no italian (even him) actually cared about this stupid (and imaginary) racial divisions Lol you're be dumb if you think that Mussolini didn't see race nor cared for kin. Mussolini didn't care less of race, because he thought that niggers could be Italian. Fuck off to where you came from.
>>14976 >he didn't meant did
>>14972 Pretending to be retarded is still retarded, nigger.
>>14972 I would bet good money that you are the Christcuck shitting up this board as well
>>14972 >the south has been colonized by mores for centuries first, moors. second, Southern Italy was mainly colonized by the Ancient Greeks. >and the north was inhabitated by populations so backwards they hadn't even discovered farming when they first entered in contact with the romans. ever heard of the Etruscan civilization? >wich is super cool because every nationality and religion is pretty and equally cool despite what the deracinating ideology of Marxism tells you, we're not all the same. different peoples have different character, temperament, and capabilities. this is verboten in today's society, but it's quite obvious from even a cursory reading of history. >And remember that the ancient romans had an extremely strong homosexual culture no they didn't, Greco-Roman civilization didn't even conceive of sexual orientation the way we do. they judged by sexual role -- penetration being dominant and masculine, receiving penetration being submissive and feminine. even so, too much infatuation with 'beardless youths' was considered degenerate by many, and it wasn't even that common in the first place. >wich is actually extremely fine. homosexuality obstructs the primary purpose of sex, reproduction. it's not fine at all. I won't even bother with the rest, this is the most bullshit I've seen in a single post for awhile. >you're all idiotic assholes and to debunk some of your shitty opinions i.e. anyone who disagrees with you is morally and intellectually inferior. Leftist detected.
>>15005 Replying honestly to posts that look like "'Twas merely an act!" posts isn't always a bad idea. First of all, Devil's Advocate is a good game to play because it gives you assurance in the things you are right about while also giving you the opportunity to change your thoughts on things you are wrong about. Or in other words it keeps you from being an ignorant, dogmatic retard that is only correct by coincidence. Secondly, this person could be sincere and this gives anons not only the opportunity to relieve him of his ignorance, but also practice in speaking to non-fascist normies. This is of course assuming the "devil" argues in good faith. If he starts using jewish tricks or screeching like a retard then it's better to post fist and wash your hands of the buffoon. >t. guy that just called him a retard and fucked off Yeah, I know. But I don't know shit about Mussolini so I don't have much to say one way or the other.
>>15005 I put in less effort than the post I responded to, so it's fine. besides, it gives me a chance to set the record straight and make my own points. and the line between trolling and genuine idiocy has always been blurry.
>>14972 Torna su bunkerchan e diochan, feccia transessuale e comunista.
>>14972 >Hitler hated Mussolini and the italians, he unironically respected the english, his enemies, more than he respected his italian allies. >Hitler hated Mussolini so much he went to full in trying to help Mussolini in his dumbass war in Africa which he shouldn't have What >>15020 said, you dumb fucking tranny.
Whether they're Nordic or not, can we all agree that Sicilians have mastered the craft of pizza
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>>22559 Italy is done for, mate. (((They))) will make all of us eat the bugs and stay poor as the apefricans they bring here by the thousands per day. They are installing as PM the ultimate Great Reset enabler - former ECB pres Mario Draghi - to strike this country with the final blow, so hard that the dismantlement of Greece will look like a nice trip in comparison. They are going to kill everything, including our millennia old culinary tradition. Sorry about this blackpill, but I do not enjoy some good old food shitposting on /fascist/ right now t. pastanigger
>>22574 A bullet costs $1.
>>22574 Do not despair Italian, rage against the zionist regime, turn your energy into action and be the change you want to see in your country.
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>>22574 Time to get kinetic
>>22605 Didn't you understand by now what "eat the bugs" mean?
>>22605 I'll spoon feed it to you. "Covid Outbreaks" will become rampant at meat plants, to the point there will not be enough workers. Major worker shortages will lead to the animals being killed off to lower operation costs. Farms will be sold to people like Bill Gates, where he will "race against the clock" to find a new sustainable solution for mankind. It really is bugs: worms, beetles, etc. Pasta requires EGGS as far as I know, and there will be a great shortage of eggs in the future and practically no meat to serve with it unless you hunt and kill an animal yourself.
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>>22605 They are going to force veganism onto the population within the next few decades. They will do this "to save the environment". The jewish 'pro-environmental' strategy involves separating humanity from Nature even more than we already are, and making our lives ever more artificial and controlled. They will never allow for the restriction of certain forms of technologies, true and intelligent population control or a reintegration with Nature. The jews see themselves as agents of an advancing civilization. This is known as Reconstructionist Judaism. It is worth noting that in the Old Testament it says that when the jewish Messiah comes that not everyone will be vegetarians, even animals, and even predatory animals will become peaceful and not eat meat. It is the culmination of Tikkun Olam, and not to mention that it will make the population weak and docile.
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>>22608 >that video
>>14974 >Retard detected Can confirm. All the insults he wrote in italian are at commie butthurt level. >>22574 >Mario Draghi (((Mario Draghi))) >>22608 >"Covid Outbreaks" will become rampant at meat plants Check out 'ice age farmer' on yt. >Pasta requires EGGS as far as I know Only the pasta made with eggs, which is not all pasta. Back on topic, did you know this? www haaretz com/life/books/mussolinis-lover-who-crafted-fascism-1.5333787
>>14974 >>22626 >every nationality and religion is pretty and equally cool >Retard detected Is appreciating true diversity the problem here or is the word "equally" used incorrectly?
>>22608 >thinks people will eat bugs >taunting goyim good Buy arable land, have chickens and ducks eat comfy every day.(saving dough means cutting their heads off or if you prefer selling then others will for you and rest assured theyve lived way better lives than in some sick plant) I can tell you right now I'll rather die than eat whatever trash jews are pushing and i have ridiculed everyone who brought that shit up. >>22608 Just a little bit of eggs, its mostly durum wheat in some cases spinach, vafangoool mamma mia
>>22628 He was basically calling Italians mutts and saying that that was a good thing because of how cool other nationalities are
>>22628 If fascism is nationalistic, I wouldn't say that diversity is a problem. Forced mixing to obtain a melting pot is. What happens when immingrants go to a new place? They immediately try to find their own. They self-segregate. Mixing is innatural.
>>14972 Porca miseria, morirei felice sotto il vesuvio se portasse via bocchinari come te. No, not even southern Italy has african dna. No, it's not cool muh epic multirace, because it brings low iq retards that require a safety net from more capable people, such as the situation with niggers on welfare now. No, ancient romans were not homosexuals, what you think were homosexuals acts, were adults teaching young boys, and slaves situations, you only need to read Plato's The Republic to check the view of it in the past. No, you don't treat women by making them reliant on the government and "empowered" whores. Choke yourself while sleeping or sucking circumcised cock. You're however right regarding Mussolini and racial laws, but so what, Stalin too at the start worshipped jews, only to make a 180 later on, not every leaders had Hitler's foresight is all.
How would a race-conscious Italy even handle the issue of race? Should the more Nordic elements be permitted to mix with the less-Nordic?
>>22634 I don't care if we don't mix or not, niggers have no right to be in Europe. Those who do not have ancestors all the way from the time of our first ancestors should be sent where ever the fuck they came from.
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>>22657 >race-conscious Italy There is no considerable racial difference between Italians in the north and Italians in the south, if you believe so it's because you've never actually been to Italy and solely rely on kike flavored 4/pol/ memes. Italians are conscious of the fundamentals, which is that there is no such thing as "human race" and that niggers are not and never will be Italians. >>22643 The post you quoted is probably from some leftard bunkertranny, they unironically have Italian threads on there. Leftards are a global disgrace, unfortunately we have plenty in Pastaland, they are a curse on humankind - at least the kikes have the excuse for imposing and spreading communism for the purpose of their own parasitic survival. Why is >>22605 gone? However, read this. https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2021/01/28/eat-the-bugs-bigot-slave-diets-for-thee-but-not-for-me/
>>22677 >There is no considerable racial difference between Italians in the north and Italians in the south How about the fact that most Southern Italians have ancestors who were given citizenship through slavery during antiquity?
>>22682 And?
>>22677 >Why is >>22605 gone? Looks like a self-deletion for whatever reason. The logs don't show those, and there's nothing about global or board owner deletions
>>22684 It means that Southern Italians aren't native or can be considered to be White and their ancestors can only be traced as foreign and coming from a family who has been conquered.
>>22574 What policy does Mario Draghi plan on putting into place? All I could find on him was vague shit like "justice reform" and "economic reform."
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>>22710 >Southern Italians aren't native Hahahahahahahaahahah what the fuck man! South Italy has been continuously inhabited by Caucasian people since paleolithic times and possibly before, people who became distinct tribes/groups (Latins, Etruscans, Umbrians, Samnites etc.) within the Iron Age. Are you a case of burger education or what?
>>22714 This wouldn't necessarily imply that the population has stayed static over the millennia. For example, we already know that Greece has become very racially polluted since antiquity.
>>22717 I will quote you again >Southern Italians aren't native I told you that in fact they are. You should really not speak about stuff you know nothing about.
>22723 >you I'm not the other guy, I didn't even necessarily support his theory. Just because you say though that Southern Italy has been inhabited by various tribes for ages though doesn't say anything about the current population inhabiting that region, or the fact that it might have become more or less mixed over the ages.
>>22714 Lol, what? The close ancestors to your hunter larping gathers are said to be the Northern Euros. Southern niggers are closer to kikes and Levants with Euro dna. Your graphs aren't disapproving anything, because they're a people who existed tens of thousands of years ago and are now extinct due to a certain pops called farmers who come from antolian and are also distinct from Europeans. Using words such as caucasian is retarded, because levantines are caucasian as well and they aren't European.
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>>22666 >I don't care if we mix >I don't want them here, so we don't mix Don't worry anon, I've called the doctor for you
>>22725 >>22729 Stop talking about stuff you don't know. Unlike amerimutts and other people of European descent scattered in other continents, European indigenous people from Italy up to England and Finland don't need a fucking kike genome test to know that their ancestors are "native" European. Your racial insecurity has always baffled me tbh. >>22717 No population has remained 100% static over the millennia in any place on the planet. Stop comparing current artificial deportation of brown racial strangers into Western countries with movement of people in ancient times. >>22713 >What policy does Mario Draghi plan on putting into place? There is no official program yet, the alliances to form new government are still happening as we speak, but the basics are clear: in the midst of the worse economic downfall since post WW2, they are going 100% eurocratic with cuts to public spending, impoverishment of italian people and implementation of (((green policies))). Salvini cucked big style by basically saying "haha I was only pretending to be anti EU" and all of them politicians are jumping on this Draghi wagon because EU is supposely going to give 200 billions in loans of which none of them will actually be injected into real economy but will be, as always, squandered into the endless bedlam of corruption and cronyism. It's ogre.
>>22822 >Salvini cucked big Salvini is controlled opposition, like Trump. Let's not fall for it now.
>>13972 Nords are themselves Italic. Some Aryans came up from the Pontic steppe, settled in north Italy, and then settle up in Scandinavia. It's where the got the Runes, from Estruscans.
>>22872 Nice try dumbass, but the runes pre-exist the romans, and the Romans came from the north themselves, they literally called Germany, itself a colony of Nordic people, the homeland.
>>22883 Runes come from a variant of a Greek alphabet, and get their distinctive angular look from the fact that they were carved in wood, and the wood-grain didn’t allow horizantal lines. There are even archaic Latin inscriptions such as the Duenos inscription which look very runic, and the Latin script was of course taken from the Etruscans, who took it from the Greeks
>>22885 >Runes come from a variant of a Greek alphabet, Did you forget the greeks also came from the nordic lands or are you just retarded? their alphabet as you say is very similar to the runes but with them having come from the northlands themselves seems more likely that the runes also pre-existed the Dorian Hellenics.
>>22886 I’m not exactly sure where the Greeks came from, but I know that they were more of a Nordic phenotype in the past for sure. I think Alain de Benoist has a book on the runes that I should probably look into
>>22888 They called their place of origin Hyperborea, it corresponds to the steppes and the norse lands which includes germany.
>>22883 And the Estruscan pre-exist the Romans. >Romans came from the north themselves, they literally called Germany Do you have any proof of this or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? Besides, genetic investigations say that Romans came from western Anatolia, Troy, proving the Aeneas story.
>>22822 >Stop talking about stuff you don't know. I just told the truth, if you have disagreement Italo-nigger then feel free to create an counterargument otherwise go back to shoving pasta up your ass crying for Mussolini to come back. >Unlike amerimutts and other people of European descent scattered in other continents The thing about Italians is they aren't native. they're mixed of different ancestors who come from different lands. The only thing native European about them is the fact they have an old european ancestor's gene, but that's been diluted and now Southern Europeans are now closer to genetically to kikes and levants
>>22892 >Muh genetic testing I'm sick of retards like you referring to DNA tests done by kikes as if it has any form of reality. Only reactionaries and christcucks take this shit seriously when scientists are known to lie and make shit up due to their stupidity about the origins of people and things. I've looked around the genetic tests about the Romans and they say nothing of the case that Romans come from Anatolia, or troy, because scientists still don't believe in anything Homer has to say in the first place and still don't believe him. You're the one who's also making shit up out of his ass, because gene jews are coming up with the retarded conclusions that the Romans either came from Estruscan or some Celtic or Iberian group. Scientists would never confirm that they were actually Trojan, because that would confirm that mythology and idealisms are facts and not fiction like labcoats want them to be known.
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>>22908 >Italians aren't native >is a mystery meat american I really wish it were not so easy to humiliate you, but I see you do an excellent job in embarrassing yourself without further help. >>22915 Quick rundown >The ancient Italic tribes (Bronze Age Indo-Europeans) were initially genetically and phenotypically very similar to present-day Central Europeans, such as the Germanic peoples. >Genetic evidence indicates that this changed pretty quickly, as they mixed with the non-Indo-European native Neolithic population of Italy (Early European Farmers) while invading the peninsula. >The Early European Farmers of Italy were genetically and phenotypically very similar to present-day Sardinians. They had darker pigmentation than the Early European Farmers of North and Central Europe; which is where Southern Europeans get their Mediterranean phenotype — not from Middle Easterners and North Africans! >The ancient Romans and modern Italians are a mix of these two populations, in an roughly 30:70 ratio of PIE to EEF on a North-South gradient, with increased EEF ancestry in the South. >The majority of Italian DNA has been native to Italy for ~6,000 years and present in Europe for ~9,000 years Non-European races contributed an insignificant amount to the DNA of modern Italians. >The ancient Romans were not Nords, nor North Africans, nor Middle Easterners, and certainly not Kangz, but White Southern Europeans who were genetically almost identical to modern Italians. >The answer to the question “What race were the ancient Romans?” is: “The same race as the modern Romans.” Sources here https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/09/20/italian-ethnogenesis/
>>22921 >Thuletide He pretends (falsely) like the Italians of today are exactly the same as ancient Romans.
>>22921 >Pie >EEF Again useless terms and meanings along with their useless tests that confirm absolutely nothing about our old ancestors. Thulide hangs around christcucks and reactionaries who like him love to listen to any dumbass with a paper and reporting that directly comes from kiked universities such as (((Harvard))). They still haven't made a connection between the Romans and Trojans, only believe and connect that there's a group of farmer from Anatolia with a small amount of what they refer as Euro DNA that connects them with Europeans but only slightly and came into Europe and brought Neolithic farming to the native population and thus supposedly these populations are the ones who created Rome. Nothing in any of your papers confirm that the mythologies are true with science. You can't bring a pro-European conscious into Europeans today with DNA tests that comes directly from the people who want to destroy us. Also Thulide is just a retarded mutt who sucks off STJ, the same dude who larps as a pagan and marries a fucking kike and will soon impregnate her with a half-breed another degenerate materialistic Anglo.
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>>22967 I've noticed a saddening amount of people seem to rely on literal Harvard jew David Reich for information concerning the population and ancestry of Europeans. Personally, I have no way of verifying this information nor does anyone else here, and we can either take what jews said on faith, or we can look at statements from actual historical works written by Whites who actually lived during those times. Personally I know what I trust more. Modern science is expressly set up this way. It's just not "disinterested knowledge" but a massive state-funded enterprise that is literally impenetrable and unverifiable to the masses. Scientists at this point could tell you that eating your own shit is healthy and lemmings would be eating it up (literally). >let me tell you about your genes, goy >STJ, the same dude who larps as a pagan and marries a fucking kike and will soon impregnate her with a half-breed another degenerate materialistic Anglo. This might be off-topic, but does anyone know what type of pagan STJ really is? Does he actually believe in the gods or he is LARPing?
>>22921 Just because EEF were native to Europe doesn't mean that they're Aryan. Aryans of course are native to Asia.
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>>22974 >I've noticed a saddening amount of people seem to rely on literal Harvard jew David Reich for information concerning the population and ancestry of Europeans. Personally, I have no way of verifying this information nor does anyone else here, and we can either take what jews said on faith, or we can look at statements from actual historical works written by Whites who actually lived during those times. Personally I know what I trust more. Modern science is expressly set up this way. It's just not "disinterested knowledge" but a massive state-funded enterprise that is literally impenetrable and unverifiable to the masses. Scientists at this point could tell you that eating your own shit is healthy and lemmings would be eating it up (literally). Funny isn't it, anon /pol/ "schizos" - "conspiracy theorist" - "tinfoilers" who our enemies have pointlessly referred to us have been more right on everything than some random fucking kike who relies on funding from (((you know who))) that's also the reason why they fear us so much. If we weren't right about mostly everything then there wouldn't be any reason for them to fear us. It's exactly because we are on-to them and these sick games that they play on us. Our game is freedom of thought, freedom of action, freedom of choice, and if we know anything about jews and their collaborators this is an antithesis of their entire evil existence. If you ask me if I trust some random kike who risks his job and funding if he gives out "wrong information"(like James watson and thousands like him who have been purged by judeocrats) more than an anonymous person with essentially no horse in the game simply discussing things over I'd take the anonymous person every. Single. Time. And If i can't get that I'd rather take a no-name researcher that isn't from fucking kike shitholes like the United Battletoads of America. I mean look, It's not even a question of why anymore, look at this nothing-burger virus, what has it shown? If anything It has shown that the "science" sector is completely and utterly compromised and they falsify and misrepresent data constantly to suit their agenda. The jews are fucking joke and so is anyone who is eagerly willing to listen to their tentacles and puppets.
>>22979 >If we weren't right about mostly everything then there wouldn't be any reason for them to fear us. Exactly. There is a reason that the government is sweating bullets over us in almost every Western country on the planet. Our vision of the world is entirely incompatible with their degenerate globalist, profit-based order of the world. And on top of that, the jew subsists on a web of lies to maintain their power structure. The truth about race, sex differences and similar topics is quite intuitive to anyone who has not been blasted with jewish programming since birth. The entire system today in the West is founded around institutionalization from birth until death, all so that the web of the jew cannot be pierced. Without this, the illusion would crumble instantly. The jews have to expend constant energy to keep the illusion going. The battle against "racism", "sexism", "homophobia" and the like will never end because of this. >I mean look, It's not even a question of why anymore, look at this nothing-burger virus, what has it shown? If anything It has shown that the "science" sector is completely and utterly compromised and they falsify and misrepresent data constantly to suit their agenda The one good thing about the Covid psyop is that I have become completely redpilled on science. It is another one of those things that seems so obvious after you have been redpilled on it, but beforehand it almost seemed like a good thing in my eyes. Now don't get me wrong, I do not necessarily have a problem with people studying Nature and the way things work, but what I am tired of is jewish science which, I think, is designed to control, shape values, hide political decisions behind a veil of 'truth' and to wipe away religion, which, even if it is not completely true in many senses, encourages healthier and more natural ways of being compared to what the atheistic jewish scientists tell them is "good"
>>22980 Science = scientific method. There is nothing jewish or fake about science. The problem is actually the journalism about it where they selectively pick studies to report on or fund while ignoring others where the findings wouldn't match their agenda. There is a lot of good research with results that back up what we say about race realism, sexual dimorphism, etc. That's actually what made me pay attention to these issues. and consider them in a new light.
>>22982 The problem begins when people forget that science is precisely a method for investigating a rather delineated portion of the world around us. This was understood by the earliest modern scientists such as Galileo. Certain things such as final or formal causes cannot be investigated very well scientifically, but that does not mean, of course, that they do not exist (to give one example). Modern science has been infected with a jewish god-complex and chutzpah never before seen. One day they will come to realize how limited their view of reality truly was.
>>22982 >Science = scientific method Science isn't science anymore, it's not scientific method they compile datasets that aligns with their own criterias, a weird sort of predetermined narrative (((criterias))) of expected research=expected outcome so they won't come to any jaw dropping conclusions, and even if they come to a shocking conclusion or discovery on for example anything related to race, human biology, energy, space travel that infringes on their monopolies or creates headaches for monopolies it doesn't get published or get attention, and if they speak about it they get canned, and they know they get canned like James Watson and thousands of other researchers and branded as heretics for life with the (((media))). We have the technology we have today, but people from the 40's and 50's already thought up the shit we still use today, where is the increased innovation? Why? We already know the cause. Answer the question of why we can't fully synthesize fuel today? A German man called Bregius in the 1890's figured out how, and Germans invented perfected and used the technique of carbon cracking to fuel their entire wartime armada by making fuel in giant industrial labs. Yet we can't have this. We must keep believing fossil fuel is this limited asset. Why? Again you already know why. There are an unlimited amount of other examples. This is also why we don't see any jaw dropping and awesome discoveries anymore, especially relating to the different types of living animals named humans because free thought is stifled in the scientific community not even discoveries, and if we do we have to go through archives of shit to search because of the parasites, it's discouraged too because it won't get their career attention, on the contrary science is a form of innovation that with the current rate of technology would infringe on judaism. That's also why we keep getting overly complicated broken models like tokamaks instead of already established fusion "simplicity" that actually works, this too is lost in obscurity and unavailable patent lots. Just like the internet, by the way. It's just that they through DARPA chose to release the internet to us.
>>22982 Also my post was not a rebuttal, I agree with your post. It's literally because of the jews/Elites stifling all forms of actual free thought with their total and utter monopolistic capitalist parasitism giant racket over central banks>banks>media>markets>governments>institutions etc. So obviously, it's the expected outcome. Again, nothing good comes from these creatures.
>>22980 >I do not necessarily have a problem with people studying Nature and the way things work, but what I am tired of is jewish science which, I think, is designed to control, shape values, hide political decisions behind a veil of 'truth' and to wipe away religion, which, even if it is not completely true in many senses, encourages healthier and more natural ways of being compared to what the atheistic jewish scientists tell them is "good". I'm agnostic but I don't hate any religion as long as it's not Judaism. I get that religion, while it controls the masses, gives peoples a reason to be what they all are. The spiritual and psychological realities work here. There are some fucked up aspects of religion (Cath. priests being pedos and shit and brown Hindus fearing the "White spirit"). but it gives them a direction if you will.
>>22994 Nothing religion did over the millennia is anywhere near as bad what globohomo has done in the last 75 years alone. jewish communism alone killed 75 million+ people in less than a century
>>22998 Agreed, but still, semitic religious cults should be avoided.
>>22998 But Globohomo/leftism itself for its followers(not for jews/leaders because they know what it is) is literally a faith based religion that it isn't based on reality, it's based on purely on faith to create and perpetuate elaborate fiction. So is communism. They're all a string of incoherent ideas from the same semitic makers that reject nature and human nature and biology by creating and perpetuating a freak artificial environments that is fully based on empty dogma and cults of personality while the human nature of the vicious losers leading people in to believe in such things are able to exert power continues as it always has behind the scenes as with any collection of advanced animals, no fraudulence will undo that.
>>23001 No such things as hierarchy****
>>23000 >>23001 Do not worry, anons, I am not (directly) defending Abrahamism. It is a warped form of religion and almost wholly a set of ideas designed to lead the goyim to their destruction. In a sense some of them may be healthier than just flat out bugman-ism would be though. There are numerous studies which seem to support that religious people are more satisfied with life and are happier. This of course says nothing about the truth of the doctrines themselves though. Abrahamic religions are outdated forms of jewish control. In their times they were (((revolutionary))) in the changes they brought, but now they are archaic forms that are even hindrances to the jews in some cases, while remaining helpful in many other cases due to particular pieces of doctrine (salvation is of the jews, God incarnating as jew etc)
>>23003 Sorry anon I'm an agnostic sperg kek There's plenty of mystery enough for me that we've even managed to live so far in an incredibly strange almost by-design ingenious universe on molten rock flying 492,000 miles per hour through space while managing not to get destroyed by those same forces that exist out there while most of our immediate universe is comprised of hydrogen and dead planets.(Though there for sure is other life out there somewhere among billions of planets) Nothing can't convince me there isn't anything special about the White race though, we discovered all of this, we made this planet and we are the only people that actually care about this on this earth, so there's clearly something special about our people.
>>23005 >flying 492,000 miles per hour through space Call me a shill but I’m starting to think this is bullshit. One would think the sky, constellations and everything else would have drastically changed over time, given the movement of the Earth around the sun, the fact that the sun is allegedly moving at some 1,000,000mph at the same time but no they’re exactly the same as they were millennia ago.
>>23006 Why would one think that? Not only do they not change over the course of our lifetimes and as such there is no reason to presume they would, the reason they do not is that most of the stars we are seeing, are in our galaxy, and thus are subject to the same forces our sun is, they are rotating at roughly the same velocity our star is around the center of the galaxy, which itself is rotating around something else as yet undetermined and we are seeing an image of a given star or star like luminance, anything from 7 to billions of years ago.
>>22974 >This might be off-topic, but does anyone know what type of pagan STJ really is? He's seems to be an Astaru/Germanic pagan. > Does he actually believe in the gods or he is LARPing? I can't really say if he actually believes in them or not, but all I can say is that STJ reinforces modern and the Judiac materialism of the kikes. >>22976 EEF aren't native to Europe, they originated from Anatolia, are said to have some portion of Euro DNA, but a small amount and frequently fought the HGs to use their slave form of farming to Europe. >Aryans of course are native to Asia. No they aren't they come from Europe, specifically within the steppes. >>22982 >Science = scientific method Science is all forms of knowledge that relates to all things within the material world or can affect the material world. Science of itself today is not science like it was back during Classical Greece. Saying there's nothing jewish or fake about science when the lab-coats frequently makes shit up and constantly attack race and anything that reinforces the truth of mythology and idealism is a lie. You don't need to science to know race is real and that there are different behavioral patterns based on one's ethnicity, race and phenotype, because stuff like this has been acknowledge for thousands of years.
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>>22963 >>22967 I see you are triggered and quickly moved goalpost attacking the source but not providing a single counterproof in response and once again derailing with your ramblings. No one here trusts the kike I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE NPCs who rely on corrupt (((international scientific institutions))), but this doesn't mean science in itself is not a reliable thing anymore because the kikes took over academia via infiltration and corruption. Science was in fact invented by White people and advanced human civilization for centuries before being hijacked by the kikes in the last 100 years; actually Italians such as Galileo contributed to the invention of scientific method itself. Italians invented the fascist doctrine too, so I guess all of you people are following a political doctrine invented by non Whites, right? Look how african the dude in the OP pic is. I guess despite your purity spiraling based on literal lies and ignorance, you are pretty ok with non Whites and their inventions, such as Western civilization itself that has been funded and developed by non White Greeks and non White Romans.
>>23072 The modern research industry is jewed. The modern research industry is also not "science" i.e. "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment". If we're speaking a dialect of English where the word is redefined to mean something else then I would have to agree though.
For those interested in the possible nordic origins of the greek-roman culture and DNA, there is a great book on this topic: "Omero nel Baltico" by Felice Vinci. English translation: "The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales". There are also translations other than english.
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>>23152 t. Thuletide >Italians invented the fascist doctrine too, so I guess all of you people are following a political doctrine invented by non Whites, right? TOP KEK. Imagine being this bluepilled on Fascism. >such as Western civilization itself that has been funded and developed by non White Greeks and non White Romans. Greeks and the ancient inhabitants of the Italian peninsula used to be far Whiter than were today as it has been proven here time and time again from drawing on literary accounts both mythological and historical, statues and evidence of statue pigmentation. Why is Greece today a Turkoid shithole? Because the the pure blood from which its greatness grew out of has been corrupted. Same with India. Same with Italy.
>>23172 Another anon here I've been on vacation to Italy many times and I own property there, they're very White, although southern Italians look dark as hell it's almost weird, I haven't seen that many of them though. One time I was at a local resturant I saw a super dark southern Italian for the first time and for a moment until he got closer in the door I actually thought it was a nigger lol. I've been around though and they're quite rare, at least in the middle of the boot.
>>23174 Interesting. Well you definitely have firsthand experience while I don't. I've only visited parts of central and western Europe. I will have to go there some day. I definitely know when I take swipes at Italy I'm primarily referring to the far south and darkest people there. Italy definitely has a mixture of people in it from what I know and have heard. I think Greece is what really has declined though more than anything.
>>23172 Ahahahaha literally everything you said is a lie. There are only two possible explanations: a) you are a liar kike b) you actually believe this inane drivel so it means you are literally retarded. In any case you are not worth responding to. >>23174 Do not bother with kikes and low IQ mutts who believe what the kikes on 4/pol/ say, it's hopeless.
>>23177 >no rebuttal Med IQ can't compete
>>23152 There aren't any counter sources for your retarded DNA tests other than calling it out as bullshit considering the amount of jews in science. If I bring up a case of what the Germans thought of Nordics and view themselves you will just bring up some faggy dna test. You're once again not realizing that you're just sucking off jews and their lies to bring about the world they desire. No matter how many times you shill and post about muh EFF and how the Romans were Anatolia negroes it doesn't help anyone other than scientists pat themselves on the back along with making shit-skins fill good about themselves despite doing nothing. They're already trying to say that the Romans weren't White and a multi-racial civilization and now they're trying to call the vikings Asians. There is no way in hell in going to trust any virgin who does nothing else, but sit his ass all day telling us who is who and what is what, based on the most jewish universities tests and research. >I guess despite your purity spiraling based on literal lies and ignorance, you are pretty ok with non Whites and their inventions, such as Western civilization itself that has been funded and developed by non White Greeks and non White Romans. You're so fucking dumb it's not even funny, you cry about muh argument allacy, but create a leap of logic and a straw man, because I dare criticize and not agree with the bullshit of modern science which are all hijacked by jews you dumb weeb mutt. I don't care what lab-coats say about a White man being a actual kang of egypt, becu it won't matter in the end, because the kikes will either shut it down by saying it is a false test or lie about the extent of how European became a great ruler of a great civilization. They're already doing this with the vikings and India and your dumbass is trying to convince that there is still so pro-Whiteness out of materialistic science today. You are a liberal.
>>23261 >Germans Meant Romans
Italy is a shitshow glued together by the UK and kept together by the US, Mussolini would have accepted niggers as being Italians, that's all you need to know. Only thing keeping the place together is apathy of the general population and some D&C. Wait for some autistic faggot to play warlord and you'll see it balkanise if no foreign power steps in.
>>14972 >this whole post

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