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Abrahamism De-programming Thread Blackshirt 11/22/2020 (Sun) 22:04:54 ID: 893fe9 No.13716
How can we deprogram abrahamists? What should every abrahamic fascist know about their religion? What is the best way to get abrahamists out of our nations and communities? How can we explain that abrahamism is incompatable with a White fascist ethnostate?
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They need to understand that it is an either/or choice between nationalism and their religion. By definition all a White Christian and a black Christian are seen in the eyes of the religion as superior to a White non-Christian. This is common to Islam too. Muhammad warned against racism, and of course Paul said that there is no such thing as Jew or Greek. The universal applicability of Abrahamic religions is inherently anti-nationalistic and anti-state, unlike religions like Shinto, which are 100% bound to a given ethnic group and culture. It's completely particularistic. When it really comes down to it, either they're going to have to side with their proto-globalism or their Volk. Ideally all universal religions which don't have the idea of the Natural Order and its inherently unequal nature built into them would be banned.
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First, you just take power regardless of them, because they'll never do anything but pray and send their best wishes into the void anyway. Then, you just identify them and then suppress them as much as possible until you can be rid of them. Give their wives to someone else, put their kids in the youth camps. I think they are far too stupid to be allowed anything. For example, I don't know how anyone can look at Christmas and not know it's a subversion of Yule. I figured this out when I was 3 years old and saw the completely out of place sand people and nativity shit next to fucking Santa Claus and reindeer in the snow. Whenever I point this out how blatantly ridiculous this is to anyone, before pointing them towards the even more ridiculous anti-Hitler articles where they were clearly simply trying to restore Yule and not "ruin" Christmas, 90% of the dumb fucks just give me a blank stare. How the fuck does anyone else not figure this out? I was THREE. When I'm Fuhrer, every kid who doesn't pass this basic fucking IQ test is going on a one-way trip into the bear cave.
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>>13741 >they'll never do anything but pray and send their best wishes into the void anyway. Kek, I'm thinking this is 100% true. I saw a thread the other day on Cuckchan where the OP was crying to his fellow Christcucks about when Jesus is going to come back and end this clownworld. Is this not the most passive of mindsets? A wholly un-fascist mindset? Hitler said it himself "HE WHO DOES NOT WISH TO FIGHT IN THIS WORLD, WHERE PERMANENT STRUGGLE IS THE LAW OF LIFE HAS NOT THE RIGHT TO EXIST
>>13742 Really all you can do with them is pretend to lead the next crusade, give them their based DEUS VULTs and then send them into the meat grinder while laughing all the way to the bank. The jews already do this and I'm envious of them for it. I have no sympathy for them because I've never met a single one in meatspace or online that wasn't a duplicitous scumbag who deserved such treatment and scorn. They're tied to that "He who has not sinned cast the first stone" bullshit too, fuck that. If there weren't clown world consequences I'd say "Well I haven't" and then sock them one, and maybe that'd fix their wagons.
>>13745 >Really all you can do with them is pretend to lead the next crusade, give them their based DEUS VULTs and then send them into the meat grinder while laughing all the way to the bank. Audibly lol'd. I have wondered sometimes how well Christcucks can be used as tools in pursuit of our goals. For example, when running an organization, do you let Christcucks in at all, or do you just keep them away from all positions of influence? Personally I would have little problem using them and then stabbing them in the back. >I have no sympathy for them because I've never met a single one in meatspace or online that wasn't a duplicitous scumbag who deserved such treatment and scorn. They're tied to that "He who has not sinned cast the first stone" bullshit too, fuck that I talk with only one who wasn't a total cuck, and even he'll give me mixed messages. He'll make jokes about Jews or William Luther Pierce with me now but I don't think he understands the gravity of the racial situation or especially the whole issue with Christianity. I'm hoping to totally deprogram him in time so I can start recruiting people to actually do something.
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>>13746 >do you let Christcucks in at all Only as pic related. Or you give them a very special position where everyone else will know that they are to be used and never trusted. Award them stickers for attendance and good behavior now and then, and keep them away from the Elmer's glue. >I'm hoping to totally deprogram him in time I have tried this a couple of times, and the result was my belief that anyone weak-minded enough to need "faith" in the first place is simply not fascist material. It may seem like they have had a transformation, right up until the great sky jew happens to converse with them in a dream, or during a near-death experience, or on the toilet, on the very day they fuck up everything you've trusted them with. Maybe just send him to preach at some wayward souls and grab their attention while the snipers get into position, you know? Or hey, I bet YHVH would guide him through that minefield!
>>13748 Wow you seem to REALLY hate White christians. Not a yuge fan of them since I'm not religious. What about the shitskkn counterparts? Aren't they benefitting a bit by being less subhuman?
>>13741 >When I'm Fuhrer, every kid who doesn't pass this basic fucking IQ test is going on a one-way trip into the bear cave. Thank God you will never fuhrer, we don't need a retard being leader.
>>13775 Why yes, I do hate traitors. Imagine if we just identified them early and got rid of them like we used to. >Aren't they benefitting a bit by being less subhuman? Yet another reason to hate Christianity, it casts a veil over the obvious: they're still subhuman and you should never treat them otherwise.
>>13789 What he's saying is basically common sense though. I don't know if I'd have them euthanized outright if they were low IQ, but I'd definitely have them sterilized. Hitler did the same thing. If they're so mentally-stunted that they can hardly function in society killing them is the best solution for both their own good and the good of society. >>13775 Christianity makes shitskins into even bigger subhumans
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Abrahamists either focus on the love and equality aspect of their faith, which makes them suspectible to leftist propaganda and makes them accept being flooded with immigrants. That or they focus on the hate aspect (hate for 'infidels'), in which case they will be okay with perscuting their own people if they don't follow their religion and will prefer someone of a different race with the same religion over a kinsman of a different religion.
>>13818 >suspectible *susceptible
>>13818 I want to beat those women. Hard. Fuck, man. Where is dad?
>>13820 >Where is dad? I think he might be the guy in the Hawaiian shirt sitting next to the mother, at the start of the video. If so, that would make it all even worse.
>>13818 >that video That is one of the most horrifying things I have ever witnessed
>>13823 If you show that kind of stuff to Christcucks online, they will claim that it's exclusively a Protestant issue.
>>13815 >Christianity makes shitskins into even bigger subhumans How?
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>>13825 I've heard the same thing. As far as I see it observing from the outside, it seems like the pozz is most advanced in Liberal Protestants, which should not surprise anyone since they are most open to dialogue with modernity and engaging with social issues. But of course, this doesn't change the fact that Christianity as a whole is the problem. It goes to the very root of what Jesus say and the (((origins))), needless to say.
>>13828 One is a non-White who is at least in tune with his healthy natural instincts. He is a life-affirming non-White, one that can be strong and in a sense noble. The other is the sick man kneeling before an emaciated rabbi nailed to a torture and execution instrument, placing his faith in salvation in this Jew, and absorbing Christian ethics. Consider the Japanese Shinto radical in the 30s and 40s versus some mangy nigger in Africa weeping before a cross today
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>>13829 one could ask what it is they stand for, if they're willing to accept almost any other belief. I could also question the Christian basis of shilling for marxist-derived idpol. though to be fair, Marxism in many ways is a secularized form of Christianity, so there is a connection. Catholics aren't immune to this, especially with the current Pope, although they do retain more tradition and pagan influence. it's no surprise that the Protestants are the most pozzed. in a larger sense, modern concepts such as postmodernism, atheism, secularism, radicalism, and the love of ugliness have their roots in the Protestant Reformation.
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>>13844 Protestantism has always been particularly kiked in its own ways. This isn't to excuse the Catholic Church and what it has done to White Europeans for over a thousand years, but Protestantism in many ways was an attempt to outjew Catholicism. Catholics at least had some root in European traditions, even if in a supremely roundabout and very syncretized way, and at the level of the peasantry many Whites were still in contact with many of their traditions, albeit in a more or less Christianized form. When they went to church, they were able to see all sorts of beautiful art and imagery teaching them about their religion, and they believed that God was present within Nature. But then the Protestants came along and started sperging out about the use of images in the Church (very Jewish), leading to stuff like Zwingli's soulless churches with Whitewashed walls and a general distrust of imagery. Now only the Jewish book from the desert was how one could learn about God. Like you said, it almost all springs from the Reformation and the Enlightenment at large. All forms of Judaism need removed from Europe and White lands, but some are evidently more advanced forms than others in terms of the damage that they unleash.
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>>13716 While I can say that I am not particularly interested in organized religion, I can safely say Christcucks irritate me to no end. No t onlydo they not have any loyalty to their race, they're also cowards who want someone else (Rabbi Yeshua) to save them. I don't say this as a fedora tipper I say this as someone who cares about their race.
>>14036 Even if you were fedora-tipping, they deserve all the ridicule they get and more. I have a unique revulsion towards Christcucks unlike any other. Even before I was redpilled at all, I had always felt completely repelled by it. Something about the way that they acted, with their talk of “sin”, and “accepting Jesus as your lord and savior” always rubbed me the wrong way. Christcucks have always seemed so fake and cringy to me, and after speaking with some it’s astounding how bizarre of a headspace these people live in. It’s quite sad to see so many millions of otherwise intelligent or normal Whites mentally stultified by Christianity and under the influence of its slavish morality Learning about the Jews and racial issues really was the final piece in the puzzle.
>>14037 I can't really disagree with you here, but I've recently been thinking about the virtues and morality that Christianity often brings. One of the hardest times I'm having as of late is fully wrapping my head around the total dismissal of virtues and morals I've traditionally had and held. These concepts of striving to be virtuous and holding certain behaviors to be ideal. Is it cucked to value good will and courtesy, or concepts such as personal honor, justice, or accountability? It seems like a stupid question, but I've only really just begun broaching the problem of having this faith for so long and finding no real position I can defend it from without clearly feeling like I'm doing something fucked.
>>14061 Can it not be said that many of the "Christian" virtues and morals are in actuality European virtues and moral?
>>14062 I'd definitely have to say that I feel everything good about Christianity has come from Europeans. There is nothing inherent to it that I can really say has been a boon to anyone, and it has only ever prospered off the better nature of European Spirit. But what virtues of Christianity are from the European Spirit, and which are just poison to someone's strength? I feel like being able to create a clear trace of what can be found natively in the spirit and what comes from Christianity could be useful. I might just be lacking confidence in my own ability to discern the difference, though.
>>14061 >>14064 There's nothing wrong with having concepts such as personal honor, some sense of justice or accountability. These are most assuredly not exclusively Christian. The other poster >>14062 makes a good point which I agree with. If we look at Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle we see many virtues praised such as courage, temperance, generosity, truth-telling, self-mastery and many other things. The Bhagavad Gita commends fearlessness, self-control, austerity, simplicity, truthfulness, freedom from anger, modesty, vigor, fortitude and forgiveness and freedom from envy, among other things. Likewise, it was a tenet in ancient Greek ethics to do good to your friends and harm to your enemies. Many religions and philosophies commend similar qualities in people, especially Aryan ones. What is poisonous about Christianity is several things—(1) that it is universal in its application. To me, it is one thing to be altruistic, hospitable and generous towards your family and friends, and even one's community to an extent, and quite another to do this completely impartially towards everyone, as it leads to you getting taken advantage of and walked all over like a doormat. Some aspects of Christian-esque ethics aren't all that bad when they are the morality held within a group among its members, but if they are held to be what you should do with everyone, they are downright harmful. Some of parts of Christian thinking, like loving your enemies, turning the other cheek, not judging, or not planning for the future at all (Matthew 6:25-34) are just foolish and utterly subversive, as well is the general spirit of slave morality, in which it is the weak, sickly, downtrodden, oppressed, wretched of the earth types that are in the right, while the exceptional, the beautiful, the masculine, the healthy, the powerful, the intelligent, etc are the evil ones, the ones to be condemned, the ones hated. Christian ethics teaches one that these individuals are the one who should humble themselves, who should be filled with pangs of doubt and bad conscience. This is the exact opposite of the Aryan spirit
>>14064 Chechar.wordpress.com, Do some readthroughs of the sections on this blog pertaining to Christians and Christianity. The guy may be a Mexican but he knows his shit, it will help you do as Nietzsche recommended and Transvaluate your values from Christian to Anti-Christian or rather Aryan.
>>14061 >>14062 >>14064 you need to take the sanatana dharma pill. the teachings of jesus are very much in line with sanatana dharma. the virutes you like are the virtues of the indo-european peoples, but the virtues of the semitic culture of the old testament.
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if you were god, the supreme lord, the originator and creator of all things beyond space and time, and you decided to go to earth to sort the whole mess out yourself, why would you be born amongst jews and then die on a stick? why wouldnt you choose to be born within the most excellent race that existed on the planet and arise to be their leader and transform their country into an incredible military and economic power then lead a jaw-dropping epic military counquest to conquer not just europe but every continent on the entire world, doing badass shit like being on the front lines of battle floating in the air with laser eyes and force lightning and shit. and then before you left the earth you established temples and statues and infallible records and preisthoods all dedicated to the preservation of your glory and deeds. on of these pictures doesnt belong with the others.
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>>14305 Even Vishnu's incarnations as a midget or a fish are more Aryan than the kike on a stick. But in general, I cannot think of a more pathetic figure being worshiped by Aryans in their native religions. The story of Jesus seems like an abomination compared to what the sacrifice of Odin in the Havamal where he stabs himself from a spear and hangs in a tree for nine nights as a form of intense ascetic practice, all to learn the runes.
>have shitty state religion >try to fix shitty religion >fail, die >friends decide to instead force your less shitty version of the shitty state religion onto everybody else Jesus was based, but what the fuck were the apostles thinking?
Using modern Christians as a punching bag against the faith as a whole is disingenuous, akin to using a nu-male to attack masculinity. Modernity has spared almost nothing.
>>14324 >modern Christians They were bad from the very beginning. If anything the leftist morality of today is far more Christian than ever before in being true to Jesus’ words. When Christianity took over the Roman state it was hardly the passive “turn the other cheek”, “love your enemies” cuck morality, but rather it was Constantine’s “In hoc signo vinces”. Christianity then spent the next few centuries destroying native European traditions and roping in the kings of Europe through marriage and conquest. As time passed, Christianity actually became truer to its roots, it grew more cucked and feeble, it began taking Jesus’ words more seriously, European minds became thoroughly awash with Semitic slave morality.
>>14324 I think of this when i see gay/trans supporting pastor media being used to attack christianity. It shows that there is a deeper problrm going on since abrahmism is (as far as i know) is the most anti gay religion of all time.
>>14323 >less shitty version One version teaches you how to commit suicide as a people, the other at least commends a workable societal structure and standards of law and group survival in line with the systems of many other civilizations from the time.
>>14324 Of course. We should look at ancient Christianity to make an honest judgment. What did ancient Christianity do? Practically exterminate the native religions of Europe while (((conveniently))) not only sparing Judaism but allowing it to flourish. No, you don't get to point to antisemetic remarks from Martin Luther and unsuccessful pogroms as an excuse because if Christianity was really as antisemetic as you lying scumbags say it was then it would have been just as successful at wiping out Judaism as it was at wiping out European faiths.
>>14328 Judaism cannot survive without shabbos goyim. You try living a productive, sustainable life while properly observing the Shabbat. It also teaches you to be hopelessly spiteful to the point of self-destructiveness. This is why Jesus preached forgiveness and passivity so hard: Kikes kept on tossing away their lives and breeding more and more bad blood over petty bullshit so "turning the other cheek" was his way of telling them to cut that shit out.
>>14329 >you don't get to point to antisemetic remarks from Martin Luther To expand on this, Christians don’t understand that the anti-Jewish remarks of older Christians are exclusively anti-Judaism, not anti-Jew. Christcucks want the heebs to join in on their own “updated” version of Judaism and become good little Christians. This is the extent of their enmity. This is the lowest and worst form of antisemitism. Enlightened antisemitism is realizing that it goes far beyond Judaism to the Jews themselves biologically, it has nothing to do with religion, and the Jewish religion is a mere epiphenomenon of the Jewish mind.
>>14331 Wait, we can do inline redtext in the cafe? Neat.
>>14330 If that was what he was referring to in regards to Jews it might make some sense. Many seem to take it also as a condemnation of the idea of lex talionis as a judicial principle unfortunately as well. It’s off topic for the thread, but this principle should be reinstalled in our society above any sort of cucked prospective Utilitarian “rehabilitative” punishment. An eye for an eye is the ultimate form of justice.
>>14325 >passive “turn the other cheek”, “love your enemies” cuck morality Anti-Christian posting on image boards love to quote these. I would love to see your interpretation of "sell your cloak and buy a sword", or Jesus fashioning a whip and driving the money changers out of the temple >>14329 The "Christianity was always a Jewish psyop" greatly overstates ancient Jewish power. If you seriously believe a Semetic tribe lacking mass media, political power, or global banking resources had the foresight and organization to rewire the entire European consciousness, then the fight would already be over. Jews performed better in post-Christian Europe not because it became Christian, but because Vespasian and Hadrian BTFO of Judea, leading to a diaspora throughout the Roman Empire and into Europe. There weren't really any Jews in Europe prior to the revolts.
>>14337 Last thing for consideration: for a Christian skeptic, I think the more logical conclusion is that it is a Greco-Jewish critique of Judaism, not some 4D millennial chess game. This of course requires actually knowing more than "turn the other cheek"
De-programming should focus on church and pulpit lies. The official text and doctrine - what hasn't been lost in time and translation - is often wildly different from what the hierarchies preach and often lead one to believe that a single church entity is a bad thing. They have turned the religious against each other more than anyone. In the name of peace. The concepts we share here are not incompatible with a theology that is any semblance accurate. They compliment each other perfectly. Unfortunately, not many people have a good theology. The majority of both "Christians" and "Pagans" are very unenlightened, and will probably believe anything in a nicely worded twitter post.
>>14337 >I would love to see your interpretation of "sell your cloak and buy a sword", or Jesus fashioning a whip and driving the money changers out of the temple Fucking hell, are you going to quote Matthew 10:34 at me out of context next as some kind “proof” that Jesus is actually based? First, regarding the sword verse you mentioned at Luke 22:36, it’s simple. This verse is intimately tied to 22:37 in which Jesus explains why his disciples need swords— >He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. >37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” Some translations even link it even closer with a “For it was written” at the beginning of verse 37. The whole reason they had to have swords was in fulfillment of Isaiah 53:12. He needed swords for the Jewish prophecy! For nearly a dozen men they only carry TWO swords— Luke 22:38 >The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” AND THEY DON’T EVEN USE THE SWORDS BECAUSE THEY ARE LITERALLY ONLY HAD FOR FULFILLING THE JEWISH PROPECHIES Luke 22:49-51 >49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?” 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. >51 But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him So one of his followers uses the sword, JESUS OUTRIGHT HEALS THE SERVANT OF THE JEWISH PRIEST and stops them from using their swords (surprise, surprise) Further in Matthew it is clear that the swords are solely for a Jewish prophecy again: Matthew 26:50-52 >Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.” >Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51 With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear. >52“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. So Jesus tells them not even to use their swords! They were a prop! JEWSUS FULFILLS JEWISH PROPHECIES WITH SWORD PROPS SO BASED And it just so happens that the whole whip incident is about Jewish prophecies as well... John 2:14-17 >In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. >So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. >To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!" >His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me." Uh oh...another “it is written”??? JEWSUS IS ONCE AGAIN FULFILLING JEWISH SCRIPTURES, SPECIFICALLY PSALM 69:9 You people are a joke. I spit on your filthy kike
>>14337 Oh, cool. So how come the jews that moved into Europe didn't get forcefully converted/exterminated like what happened to the pagans? And last I checked, Mohammed never had television or supernatural powers but still managed to turn arab supremecism into the largest religion in the world. >>14334 >An eye for an eye is the ultimate form of justice. Maybe it is, but justice isn't everything. Ash does not grow where the water is clear and just the same a worthwhile society cannot exist where justice is absolute and comes before everything else. Lex talionis, taken to its logical extreme, is why we have shit like reparations and blood feuds.
>>14337 >If you seriously believe a Semetic tribe lacking mass media, political power, or global banking resources had the foresight and organization to rewire the entire European consciousness, then the fight would already be over. Anon, I... It looks like you’re also bluepilled on the extent of Jewish power in antiquity. If you had read Rosenberg or consulted his numerous sources this problem could have been remedied easily. Your own kike book testifies to Jews being rooted in governments as early as the time of Paul – Acts 8:27: >And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, An Jew “of great authority” in charge of treasure for the queen of Ethiopia! A tale as old as time.. Even in the ancient world the Jews of the Roman Empire and beyond were networked tightly together by living along trade routes and the major cities of the Empire. Nearly 40% of Alexandria population – a major ancient city – was Jewish in Roman times. Many Jews lived in Rome itself. Even before the change over from BC to AD Jews ringed the entire Mediterranean Sea. Rosenberg quotes a Jewish historian: >after a few centuries", as the Jewish historian Herzfeld reports, "and in general without any visible compulsion from outside, the Jews were settled in all terrains from Media to Rome, from Pontus to the Persian Gulf, from Macedonia to Ethiopia, and in this enormous range of countries there was no significant commercial city in which Jews were not represented". So here we see that Jews formed a web over the core of the Aryan gentile world – Rome and beyond – even in antiquity. Already Jewish influence was spreading among gentiles, the so called “Yirei Hashem” – the God-fearers seen in Acts. They weren’t full converts though, because they couldn’t adopt Jewish law or were unwilling due to things such as circumcision and kosher laws. Paul overthrew i all. He wanted the goyim to convert and with as much ease as possible. He was the so-called “Apostle to the Gentiles” after all! Jerusalem was the hub of the ancient Jewish world. The verse quoted above even shows Jews from Ethiopia making the trip the Temple. Jewry was extremely well-connected even in the ancient world to no one’s surprise. (((Paul))) had many connections to the Temple, and even was educated under the rabbi Gamaliel, the top scholar of his day and leading authority in the highest Jewish body the Sanhedrin. Trained by the rabbis, Paul was sent out on his mission to convert the goyim to this new religion which would eventually destroy Europe from within. >>14342 I’m only referring to using it in a judicial context.
>>14337 >Anti-Christian posting on image boards love to quote these. I would love to see your interpretation of "sell your cloak and buy a sword", or Jesus fashioning a whip and driving the money changers out of the temple That just proves that the bible is full of contradictions, that there is no way to know what Jesus actually wanted us to do and that it is therefore an useless religion. It's the same with quran, where half of the book tells its followers to be peaceful and the other half tells its followers to kill all infidels.
>>14341 >It was all Jewish prophecy That's fine. I would think this fits better under Christianity as Jewish critique of Judaism, not brainwash the Gentiles. >>14342 >Oh, cool. So how come the jews that moved into Europe didn't get forcefully converted/exterminated like what happened to the pagans? I have two theories. One is that Christianization was mostly a subtext for seizing new lands. Jews didn't hold territory, so they were ignored. Second is that they were viewed as outsiders, so priests focused on their ethnic brothers. >And last I checked, Mohammed never had television or supernatural powers but still managed to turn arab supremecism into the largest religion in the world. Mohammed didn't have to do much psychological convincing. Arabs flocked to his banner because he was successfully pillaging Arabia. >>14343 Admittedly, I have not read Rosenberg, but I am aware of some Jews holding court power. The Jewish holiday of Purim celebrates another example. I just find it more likely that when they found themselves in these positions, they worked more to advance their own material interests, since they would lack the tools to permanently affect European thinking. >as the Jewish historian Herzfeld reports How much is accurate history, and how much is ethnic ego-stroking? Either is possible. >>14345 Sometimes an army must take the fight, sometimes they retreat. Different factors, so it's not contradiction
>>14343 >Paul overthrew i all. He wanted the goyim to convert and with as much ease as possible. He was the so-called “Apostle to the Gentiles” after all! This is a possible interpretation, especially considering his familial background and early beliefs. His arguments that circumcision and other Jewish traditions were no longer necessary could be viewed as the Gentiles only "worthy" of watered-down Judaism. However, Christianity falls out of the hands of the Paul types early on, and would get undeniably become driven by Europeans. Would a compromised Christianity stay compromised if run by Europeans?
>>14349 > I have not read Rosenberg https://archive.org/details/alfred-rosenberg-the-track-of-the-jew-through-the-ages_202006 >I just find it more likely that when they found themselves in these positions, they worked more to advance their own material interests, since they would lack the tools to permanently affect European thinking. As I said, they certainly had the means to slowly and gradually influence European patterns of thought, given the fact that they were a significant portion of the population of the Empire. It has been estimated that Jews made up to 10% of the population of the Empire, and lived among the vital trade routes and cities of the Empire. They had an absolute death-grip on Rome and the spread of ideas. All it took was for Christianity to gradually spread among slaves and women for it spread vertically in the society. Jews always target the weakest to undermine the society. They were the leftists of the ancient world. The prototypes of synagogues were how Jews organized in the Diaspora. The term does mean "assembly" after all. The Jews absolutely have the ability to plan long term in this way. The entire Old Testament is one giant tract laying out world domination, and we see it slowly moving towards implementation today. Pic related. >How much is accurate history, and how much is ethnic ego-stroking? Either is possible. It's true, Jews were literally everywhere in antiquity already. >Most of them spread into Galilee, Syria, Egypt, and beyond the seas, so that in the second century B. C. the Jewish Sibyl says of the Diaspora, 'Every land is full of thee and every sea', and Strabo, Philo, Seneca, and the author of the Acts of the Apostles prove that the Jewish race was disseminated in their time over the whole of the civilized world. Philo says that in Egypt alone there were a million Jews, an eighth of the population. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism/Home_Rule_in_Palestine_under_the_Persians_and_Greeks The fact that Jews carried out large-scale biological warfare on gentiles even in medieval Europe via well-poisoning is proof enough that even in antiquity that they were highly organized and able to carry out continent-wide strategies. They were organized in synagogues, qahals and through trade again. >>14354 >Would a compromised Christianity stay compromised if run by Europeans? Obviously, Christianity being a form of Judaism is only one problem among others. It's a form of slave morality designed to denature its followers. Most of the destruction has been carried out by ethnic Europeans unknowingly acting as Jewish golems
>>14357 Most of what you're saying seems at least plausible, but I can't really comment on it. I think the only statement I can comfortably respond to right now is this: >The fact that Jews carried out large-scale biological warfare on gentiles even in medieval Europe via well-poisoning is proof enough that even in antiquity that they were highly organized and able to carry out continent-wide strategies The logic here is a bit off for two reasons: the time span between antiquity and the Medieval period wouldn't guarantee organization in the latter originating from the former. Secondly, well-poisoning is a lot simpler to execute than maintaining a sustained propaganda/brainwashing effort and wouldn't require nearly as much coordination. >They had an absolute death-grip on Rome and the spread of ideas Maybe the Rosenberg link will answer this for me, but do you have any specific examples to this (i.e. Julius Caesar's creditors, ancient publishers or industries, etc.)
>>14362 >Secondly, well-poisoning is a lot simpler to execute than maintaining a sustained propaganda/brainwashing effort and wouldn't require nearly as much coordination Well, in the time of the Roman Empire, given the extent of Jewish settlement and interconnection through major ports, trade routes, and the fact that there was even a centerpiece to the entire Jewish world in Jerusalem with the Temple until 70 AD., it would have in fact been far, far, far easier during the time of the Roman Empire to carry out something on this scale. Jews began to carry out missionary work to other Jews declaring Jesus the Messiah. These Jews did not seek to overthrow the Jewish Law which serves to serves to preserve their race, but before long it became clear that even some gentiles were falling under the influence of this new form of Judaism, as I mentioned, the yirei Hashem, the god-fearers. The Law was a burden. Paul, the extremely zealous Pharisee, had a "vision" declaring him as "Apostle to the Gentiles". He spent years traveling all around Asia Minor, Greece, Rome and elsewhere spreading this new form of Judaism, working hard to integrate the goyim and making it as easy as possible to judaize them. Even academic works today almost singlehandedly point to Paul for being responsible for the "globalization" of Christianity from a sect of Judaism to something else grown from a Jewish soil. This is why fourteen out of the twenty-seven books of the New Testament are written by one kike, Paul. All they did was spread the message, win over a few people, and left the metaphorical dreidel spinning. Just like leftism today has a great appeal among subhumans, Christianity was easily able to spread among the massive slave populations of Rome, as well as among women. Christianity was imposed from the top-down across Europe through political and marital alliances, as well as through brute force. All it took was for a king to convert and to start forcing people to baptize en masse for Christianity to get total control over the region, and to kill anyone who resisted. The Jews get the ball rolling, and the gentiles, their minds colonized by this Semitic slave morality, do the vast majority of the dirty work.
>>14369 How did they subvert indians/dravidians in Hinduism and monks in Buddhism?
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>>14375 It's impossible to say. I don't think we know enough about what the Jews were doing in the subcontinent to draw any conclusions >P. M. Jussay wrote that it was believed that the earliest Jews in India were sailors from King Solomon's time.[16] It has been claimed that following the destruction of the First Temple in the Siege of Jerusalem of 587 BCE, some Jewish exiles came to India.[17] Only after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE are records found that attest to numerous Jewish settlers arriving at Cranganore, an ancient port near Cochin.z King Solomon was apparently born in 990 BCE, but even after the destruction of the First Temple in 587 BCE there were no major kingdoms even in the far south of India, let alone Aryan ones. Just see my maps I don't know what those kikes were doing down there
Cuckoldry is an Abrahamic tradition
>>14389 >"Therefore, this child of yours has most probably inherited the color from his ancestors." That sounds more to me like "you're not the father, you stupid fuck", tbh.
>>14396 >this child of yours has most probably inherited the color from his ancestors >his ancestors >his (not yours) Plus, what type of guy goes around saying that "My wife just gave birth to a [skin color] child!" There's no reason to point out the skin color unless there would be reason to remark on it. That Muslim got cucked and Muhammad had to redpill him there subtly. Poor dude.
>>14406 Mohammad wasnt a subtle guy. If he didnt tell the guy to burn those kids and beat his wife extra hard for the day, then he probably wanted the guy to just act like its no big deal.
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>>14420 No, the truth is that adultery is basically impossible to punish according to Islamic law due to the fact that the standards for it are so ridiculously high. I'm not Islamic scholar obviously, but this says that circumstantial evidence like the baby being a nigger is not even admitted in trials of this kind for hadd punishments by several schools
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Consult this before engaging with Christtards
>>14326 I’m anti-Abrahamist to the core, but I can’t help but acknowledge that if there’s anything they’re better on, it’s homosexuals. Not that they have a historical monopoly on this (see pic), but that is the one aspect that should never be thrown out.
>>14559 They do not have a monopoly on it as you say, so it was never theirs, and it's barely even an advantage over Ancient Rome, where homosexuality wasn't even 1/4 as common as they claim, I suspect that it was punished severely and homosexuals were some of the earliest christians much like they are some of the primary drivers of secularized Christianity today.
>>14563 >homosexuals were some of the earliest christians This is confirmed by (((Paul))) actually 1 Corinthians 6:9-11: >Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. “And that is what some of you were” — Emperor Julian was the first to alert me to this, writing: >Do you see that he says that these men too had been of such sort, but that they "had been sanctified" and "had been washed," water being able to cleanse and winning power to purify when it shall go down into the soul? And baptism does not take away his leprosy from the leper, or scabs, or pimples, or warts, or gout, or dysentery, or dropsy, or a whitlow, in fact no disorder of the body, great or small, then shall it do away with adultery and theft and in short all the transgressions of the soul? . Early Christians were Jews, slaves, women, adulterers, homosexuals, thieves and drunkards. Sounds like leftists today
>>14565 I would have known this if I had actually finished reading Julians Arguments, or the Bible, and really do not want to read the bible.
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What do you anons make of this video? Is it more misdirection or is there some trut hto it?
>>14565 >Early Christians were Jews, slaves, women, adulterers, homosexuals, thieves and drunkards. Sounds like leftists today That would also explain how puritanical they become of their ideology over time - similar to how the Soviets purged the degeneracy they used to disrupt after they took over Russia.
>>14657 I watched up until 1:40 before stopping, when he starts talking about the fact that Abraham was not a Jew and would never be a Jew. The retard goes onto say “Akshually he wasn’t a Jew...he was a HEBREW”. Retarded labels of all kinds aside, it’s the same race we’re dealing with, whether we’re calling them Israelites, Jews, Hebrews, Kikes, Habiru, Yids, etc. DNA evidence supports this, and I’ll trust that in this case over Sandnigger myths ripped off from Zoroastrians and Sumerians. >>14656 Reading the Bible is a pain. I’ve never read the whole thing. Mainly chunks of the New Testament and some parts of the Old. It’s quite the snooze, and never grasped me in the same way the Bhagavad Gita did, or the Odyssey, or the Eddas. All of these are masterpieces, which I can draw much wisdom from. The Bible was written by depraved minds. Only the Qur’an is worse in terms of religious literature due to its disjointed and repetitive nature. It’s worth reading Julian through though, I think. His critique is not hard-hitting, but it’s nice to see what pagans at the time were saying. The best critiques have come much later from Japanese nationalists and White Nationalists. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Against_the_Galileans >>14658 Exactly
>>14665 I know what you mean by this. the Buddhist scriptures are also a better read, especially when boiled down to a digest (as the original Tripitaka is exceedingly lengthy). as I mentioned in another thread, I recommend 'The Teaching of Buddha' distributed by Bukkyo Dendo Kyokai. it's very Mahayana, but it covers the major points in a very accessible way.
>>14357 Do you have a higher-resolution version of the first image?
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>>14676 Here, I tried to take a new screenshot that's a bit bigger. If that's still a little low res for you the original post is still up at >>13622. I will have to look for a Firefox plugin that takes good screenshots for me, because I usually just use snipping tool, which, as you see, has results of dubious quality. >>14666 I remember you recommended this book over in the Japan thread I think Or maybe it was the Dharmic philosophy thread. Believe it or not I was remembering this rec a day or two ago when thinking of books that I will want to buy here soon. The one complaint I'd have with some of the stuff I've read out of the Tripitaka is that it's somewhat repetitive at times (for example they will keep repeating the same line over and over again instead of shortening it at all). Even though I say this though, it still makes you get the point by the end of it, and oftentimes one learns something of value. I will definitely be checking out that book. What I like about "Indian" stuff in particular is that it is often very systematic in a way quite unlike any Abrahamic scriptures. They'll divide things up into "The Four Noble Truths" or the "three gunas", they'll go on to address alternative points of view and say why they are false, etc. In contrast Yahweh is just an arbitrary Jewish tyrant, and the records of him are filled with bizarre and random tales strung together with all sorts of deviant forms of sex, genital mutilation and other absurdities. If Yahweh exists in any way, even to call him a demiurge is too flattering.
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Cradle Christian here. The religion always felt a little unnatural and off to me. Christianity promotes a certain sort of weakness that is easily taken advantage of by subversives. But it's what I grew up with and there's a Western culture attached to it throughout history. I like the general idea of religions like Sanatana Dharma, or Germanic Paganism. The thing is, I cannot reconcile all of the poos in Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism or pathetic larpers in Germanic Paganism. Every group I've encountered left me with a bad taste. At least Christians more or less have their shit together and do not seem like autistic rejects from society. Dharma/Paganism seems like the most natural way of things - its just all the people I've encountered in it are not the sort of people I care to be around. Should I just go at it alone while exploring it?
>>14701 Retards like that in your picture see what they are doing as some sort of hobby or consumerist subculture more than they do a real religion. It's embarrassing, honestly. I'm curious though, some parts of your post came off to me as if you have actually interacted with other pagans in real life - maybe I am wrong, but if you have, was it really that bad? Were they explicitly racist? (that's an important one) The best thing to do at the moment is to just keep looking for truth. I agree with many of the sentiments common to Indo-European religions, and feel as if they are much closer to truth than Abrahamic religions in many ways, but I do not align myself with anything in particular. It is my feeling that Whites will not flock to Sanatana Dharma or Asatru, or any other "reconstruction" of paganism, but something in many ways whole new in form. Different vessel, same contents in many respects. In many ways, National Socialism was the rebirth of the pagan spirit in Europe, but it is my feeling that it has not yet had the chance to fully blossom. Savitri Devi too has made it clear beyond a doubt that National Socialism is not just some "ism", it is a manifestation of a timeless Truth. This is why she has zero qualms in saying that in Brahmanism and National Socialism alike there is the same spirit at work over the millennia, and that Hitler was in many ways a "prophet" for these eternal Truths.
>>14684 Thank you.
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>>14701 I'd say the same thing with Christianity. The devout Zionists of Jehovah's witnesses, the subversive nature of Mormons, the progressive modernity of modern Protestantism, and the little boy-fucking of Catholicism, etc. There's probably not a single sect of Christianity that hasn't left me disgusted (except for Marcionites and Cathars). I do think Germanic Paganism is stupid however. The most well developed and recorded Indo-European religion and theology is that of the Greeks, Parthians, and Hindus. I think people should be seeking the knowledge of Zarathustra and Plato, rather than reviving dead practices that have only been kept recorded by Christian monks themselves. I know it's not ideal, but there's just so much information and culture lost to time. The Hebrews had the benefit of being in the region of the hieroglyphics and first Phonetic abjad. Along with the Babylonians, they were the first people to record and preserve their religion the best. And thus, their beliefs spread to the White man through Yeshua, with Saul's blessing- and thus the majority of people on Earth now give praise to the God of Israel.
>>14715 I've been thinking myself lately that I need to get around to checking out in more depth Plato (I've read a little) and some of Plotinus' works like the Enneads. The biggest weakness of these Asatru guys is that they're not very philosophical from what I've seen. It seems to often amount to little more than "Well this is what people in Scandinavia might have believed a millennia ago, so that's what we're gonna believe!" Now this isn't bad in itself, but they seem to often hold to a very cheesy, exoteric variety of paganism that is not anywhere as deep as some of the stuff that one can find in the works that I mentioned above, or in some of the more philosophical Hindu texts like the Bhagavad Gita. I realize that I may be painting with a bit broad of a brush here, but one only has to read the dialogue "The Nature of the Gods" by Cicero to see how the complex and varied beliefs held by the gods in Greece and Rome by educated men. Something that is key to all Aryan traditions is the lack of a fear to philosophize and probe deeper beneath the surface of things. Even if one would like to appropriate the basic framework of the Norse religion, they should not rest content with it. If European paganism had never died out, it would have evolved and complexified over the millennia - not because the beliefs are groundless and bullshit like an academic would tell you, but because people would gain more complex and sophisticated interpretations over time through experience, philosophizing and debate.
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I was raised by Latin Mass type Catholics. Ironically, the Old Testament always resonated with me more as a kid, I always found the New Testament boring. I'm not sure what to do with Christianity. Christian Identity basically would have us larp as kikes for all eternity, and I don't want to be forever chained to them that way. Fundamentally, Christianity is tied to Judaism and there is just no real way around it. Even if you heavily censor and control it, eventually someone is going to read the Bible and take it literally. That is basically what happened to Catholicism. At the same time, I don't currently see any viable alternative to it. The strains of Paganism my ancestors followed are irretrievably lost, barring discovery of time travel. Vedic religion is interesting, but doesn't really appeal to me on an emotional level, and there is also the problem of all the poos that still follow a version of it. They are better than "godly" niggers, but that is only because niggers are so awful almost anything would be an improvement. The only Pagans I've encountered in meatspace were heavily influenced by Wicca bs, and non-pozzed groups seem vanishingly small. I have to agree with the anon who said the best thing to do at the moment is to just keep looking for truth. I suspect it will end up being some kind of philosophy with religious tendencies, more than a literal religion. There needs to be something though, if the lemmings are not given explicit instruction, they will destroy themselves. As to how Christians are to be treated, I think Christians should basically be tolerated, but not fully trusted or allowed into positions where they can influence young minds beyond their own children. Once we control state apparatus, lean heavily on "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". I think it will need to be eradicated slowly and carefully. Christians get off on being persecuted, and a lot of them would deep down, revel in being martyrs/victims of the evil non-believers. Tolerate them so they don't get the satisfaction of persecution, but don't allow them to control anything meaningful either. Society should be setup to encourage defection and abandonment of the harmful aspects of Christianity. Priests/ministers pushing toxic racial ideas will need to be disappeared, but that should be kept to a minimum and accompanied with dragging their name through the mud in the press to minimize the fallout from their congregations. Positions in education should absolutely require adherence to whatever the ultimate replacement philosophy/religion is, as should most government positions. A good model to look at is actually Islam. Egypt, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, and North Africa all used to be majority Christian. The Muslims tolerate Christians, but they are second class citizens and society is structured to encourage defection to Islam.
What are some denominations of Christianity that are absolutely unsalvageable and degnerate? inb4 all of them
>>14735 > I think Christians should basically be tolerated Get out of here subversive kike and take your Abrahamic sannigger cults with you. Europeans should never give a fucking grain of salt to christcucks for what they've done. They planted the seeds for the Communism of today with their slave morality.
>>14735 >I suspect it will end up being some kind of philosophy with religious tendencies, more than a literal religion. There needs to be something though, if the lemmings are not given explicit instruction, they will destroy themselves. I agree with this 100%. Schopenhauer said it best when he made the observation that religion was the philosophy / metaphysics of the masses. Now, Schopenhauer was an atheist, so he likely made this observation with certain nuances to it that I am not using here, but unlike fedora-tippers he was generous enough to religions to say that religions revealed truths to the masses in a way that was easy to comprehend, conveyed through more or less indirect and veiled means. If the masses need hoodwinked to an extent in order to win over their hearts and minds in religious matters, so be it, I have no qualms with this idea at all. I do not think that they can be utterly lied to though. If the core is not fundamentally true the religion will die. It must reflect the Natural Order, it must preserve our Volk, and provide reasons why it is right and just to preserve one's Volk at the expense of others' even. This is exactly what Judaism does, and I am fairly convinced at this point that Judaism is little more than a vehicle for preserving the Jewish race through all hardships. Personally I think rather than just aping Hinduism or Asatru that we should looking more to someone like Savitri Devi or Dr. Pierce (there's more overlap in some respects than one would think!) Also, what you said about Christians in the second paragraph is very true. I have said similar things regarding how we should deal with them. Break it down slowly, don't play into their victimhood fetish.
>>14715 >I do think Germanic Paganism is stupid however. Because you are a shitskin? Or because you are a kike? Greek, Slavic, and Germanic paganism share very common elements. The fact that you single out Germanic paganism as "stupid" says alot more about your motives.
>>14737 >taking one tiny part out of context when he follows up with steps to gradually abolish Christianity He is basically proposing to euthanize the fuckers. Lull them into comfort... they feel their eyes growing heavier... their heart is slowing down... they'll be in heaven with Jeebus soon... and then Christianity is dead! >>14736 Any type of liberal Protestantism or variety of Christianity that has accepted modernism. I'm only saying this though since you precluded my go-to response kek
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>>14737 Learn to read. I want to exterminate Christianity. Your proposal would be a good one... in 100 AD. The problem is the majority of Europeans are at least nominally Christian now. If you kill them all, congratulations, you've killed the majority of the European race. I will also remind you we do not exist in a vacuum. Pagans are probably less than 1% of the population, and half of those are Wiccans or some other pozzed bs. That is not enough people to keep out the Chinese, Arabs, Mestizos, or niggers. I get being mad about the destruction of Classical Paganism, but killing off the majority of your race for shit that happened generations before they were born is fucking retarded. It is like kikes being butthurt at us because of shit the Romans did. You are right, Christianity is how slave morality became prevalent in our civilization. But killing the majority of our healthy breeding stock is not going to improve our position as a race. It will hurt it. Toxic ones will need to be culled, compliant NPCs incapable of being completely reprogrammed should be allowed to wither away peacefully, NPCs capable of being reprogrammed and most importantly, people capable of actual thought should be nurtured. Even if things go perfectly, cleaning up this mess is going to take generations. Start dealing with reality as it is, not how you wish it was.
>>14752 >and half of those are Wiccans or some other pozzed bs Honestly, W*ccans can't even called pagans, they have been hoodwinked into what was sex-freak Gerald Gardner's LARP based on Freemasonry, Thelema (the philosophy of homosexual Aleister Crowley) and other forms of kiked nonsense. It's also worth noting that witches were associated with child-cannibalizing Jews more than they ever were with pagans in the Middle Ages. Pagans executed witches, see >>13639
>>14753 This is where the term "pagan" shows its limitations. The true distinction is between the people who adhered to dharma, and those who were adharmic.
>>14753 Hmm, that is interesting. I wasn't aware of that attitude among the old Pagans. Thanks for putting that post my way anon. >>14754 Isn't "pagan" the old Latin equivalent of "redneck", since Christianity took hold early in the cities, while the peasants in the countryside kept up their worship of the old gods much longer? I want to say I read something to that effect, but I'm not 100% sure.
>>14755 >Thanks for putting that post my way anon. No problem, glad to spread the info. Honestly I was unaware of this until quite recently myself.
>>14755 Yes, the Latin term ‘paganus’ essentially means something like “rural, rustic, pertaining to the countryside”. Here’s a further redpill on the term “gentile” while we’re at it: >gentile (n.) >"one who is not a Jew," c. 1400; earlier "one who is not a Christian, a pagan" (late 14c.), from Late Latin noun use of Latin gentilis "of the same family or clan, of or belonging to a Roman gens," from gens (genitive gentis) "race, clan," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups. Compare gentle. >The Latin adjective also meant "of or belonging to the same nation," hence, as a noun, gentiles (plural) might mean "men of family; persons belonging to the same family; fellow countrymen, kinsmen," but also "foreigners, barbarians" (as opposed to Romans), those bound only by the Jus Gentium, the "law of nations," defined as "the law that natural reason establishes among all mankind and is followed by all peoples alike." >The Latin word then was used in the Vulgate to translate Greek ethnikos (see ethnic), from ta ethne "the nations," which translated Hebrew ha goyim "the (non-Jewish) nations" (see goy). Hence in Late Latin, after the Christianization of Rome, gentilis also could mean "pagans, heathens," as opposed to Christians. Based on Scripture, gentile also was used by Mormons (1847) and Shakers (1857) to refer to those not of their profession. https://www.etymonline.com/word/Gentile TL;DR, Christians used to go around literally calling Europeans adhering to their native traditions as “goyim”
It seems Christcucks have taken to We Wuzzing.
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>>14814 This is your mind on Christianity
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Religion is such an antiquated cheap trick for retards to avoid race and nature, in other words, reality. Deprecated because we now unlike in their time have explanations most of the basic phenomenons in nature they took for granted, and these religious retards were seething the whole way when people like Galileo and Copernicus, Newton, Darwin, and many more who they successfully killed started to figure thinks out by just keeping track and describing those interesting phenomenons on our planet, just trying to grasp, understand and explain the basics about how things actually worked. Don't any of these morons see that? Meanwhile all those religious retards took the golden ages for granted and just ascribed to semite yaweh skydad by saying "Look at this book guys incel sky daddy made this, so don't dare question it, lol u say skydad didnt make??? Ok we kill you now." It's so sad. These morons set our truthful racial progress back so much it's actually insane. And at the same time the same hypocritical fucking little religious faggots have no problems taking credit for what other men made, men unlike them who had actual interests and passions and who weren't "closest to god" by being obsessed with cult soul sucking worship because the christkike bullshit was forced on everyone. Do none of these dumbass religious suckers understand that? That the religious luddites want to do sky Abrahamic daddy worship is a problem because they're not harnessing the fact that they need to come to terms with their own mortality and that, they themselves, not god or any other deity, will have to carve to achieve greatness by their own hands and circumstance, not because of some retarded fucking slave morality skydaddy apparition delusion they've been embellished into thinking exists. But at the same time it's not that it's terrible in of itself when its supplementary to believe in some supernatural deity at all, it's terrible when they're trying to make it out to be something it's not like >>14814 >>14815 and a bunch of other fags I've had the immense displeasure of holding a conversation with, and it's such an insanely recurring theme how their religion makes their worldview a bunch of schizophrenic intangible bullshit that comes out distorted because they have to make everything conform to their bankrupt belief feels. And it's hilarious too because typically christians say they're against totalitarianism, but at core their religion (when followed unlike 99% cuckstians) was meant to be and is itself is totalitarian, It's funny too because actual christians don't really exist anymore they're just degenerates doing feelgood larp on sundays, because their religion is unironically sucks because none of these people actually follow it like it was meant to.
>>14818 Christianity is rapidly decaying, but I don't think religion itself is something that should necessarily be described as "antiquated". Religion is an important way of spreading and holding shared values about reality and morality and keeping the community together. The atheist idea that if one merely rejects the existence of everything but atoms bouncing around meaninglessly in the void, that humanity will be able to build some hedonistic, suffering-free utopia (what else could they strive for?) due to their reliance on "science" and "reason" has shown itself to be a complete meme in practice, since given the absence of any shared common system of values or truths, there is chaos, degeneracy and atomization, as well as nihilism. The real redpill is not that all religions are antiquated retard-traps, but that certain religions are, and others can certainly preserve one's race while not being in complete dissonance with reality.
>>14819 >atheism I'm agnostic personally, and I should have prefaced that with religion when not supplementary(*) the problem with that is that it might not be dogma feeelgood fantasy enough for the bell curve masses, at least to last so two thousand years the typical mind, a kind of cult-like heredity by following the pack is super important too for the masses. And once that struggle is completed it will take some decades to institute. But what we're talking about is less important debate, because we need to do everything in our power get our nations or a nation back from the grip of the JWO first. Aside from that I think Cosmotheism was an incredibly intellectual and sensible worldview made by Pierce, if and if I was a super religious person I'd devote more to it.
>>14821 We are actually much closer than I originally thought. I certainly don't believe in any theistic god in the sense that Abrahamics do. If anything I am closer to some sort of vague pantheism of Nature than anything. Cosmotheism is perhaps the greatest vision of the meaning of the White race and the need for its preservation that I have so far encountered.
If you're religious, don't preach to me. It's alright to be religious, and I, as a non-religious person, believe that religious people can make sacrifices to make themselves be better people. If you're an atheist, good for you. Just don't push that shit to people who want to live differently (religious people). As for me, I'm find with any religion as long as it's not Judaism.
>>14752 Forgive me for misinterpreting you post. Anyway, I realize that christcucks cannot be dealt with now, and we need all the help we can get. Even Hitler knew this, which is why he pretended to embrace Catholocism while he established a new type of nativst religion in Germany. We would have to do something similar. I think ultimately that Pierce was right. In the Turner Diaries he references spirituality as a common binding agent that strengthens ideology (hence why the communists are successful with their "equality" worship) We must find a common spiritual denominator to unite Whites against the Jew and we will have the start of unity.
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https://old.reddit.com/r/TransChristianity/comments/k11ghe/sick_and_tired_of_being_trans/ >people like this live among us today i swear to the creator what the fuck am i reading, its funny but at rhe same time this horror tier harrowing human suffering caused by evil jew brainwashers and POZzer freaks
>>14684 Buddhism is a philosophical religion, and this is true of Dharmic religion in general. it's quite different in character from Abrahamism, with its arbitrary doctrines, hubristic prophecies & revelations, and otherworldliness. in other words, Dharmic religions rationally explain why you should believe in them, while Abrahamic religions tell you: >this is the Truth, and ye shall believe. question or disobey, and thou shalt be punished. in the other thread, I transcribed the snake parable. I offer a couple more passages: >Dharma, Ch 1, II: Causation >1. There are causes for all human suffering, and there is a way by which they may be ended, because everything in the world is a result of a vast concurrence of causes and conditions, and everything disappears as those causes and conditions pass away. >Rain falls, winds blow, plants bloom, leaves mature and are blown away. These phenomena are all inter-related with causes and conditions, and are brought about by them, and disappear as the causes and conditions change. >One is born through the conditions of parentage. His body is nourished by food: his spirit is nurtured by teaching and experience. >Therefore, both flesh and spirit are related to conditions and are changed as conditions change. >As a net is made up by a series of knots, so everything in this world is connected by a series of knots. If anyone thinks that the mesh of a net is an independent, isolated thing, he is mistaken. >It is called a net because it is made up of a series of connected meshes, and each mesh has its place and responsibilities in relation to other meshes. >2. Blossoms come about because of a series of conditions that lead up to their blooming. Leaves are blown away because a series of conditions lead up to it. Blossoms do not appear independently, nor does a leaf fall of itself, out of its season. So everything has its coming forth and passing away; nothing can be independent without any change. >It is the everlasting and unchanging rule of this world that everything is created by a series of causes and conditions and everything disappears by the same rule; everything changes, nothing remains constant. >Dharma, Ch. 1, III: Dependent Origination >3. In this world there are three wrong viewpoints. If one clings to these viewpoints, then all things in this world are but to be denied. >First, some say that all human experience is based on destiny; second, some hold that everything is created by God and controlled by His will; third, some say that everything happens by chance without having any cause or condition. >If all has been decided by destiny, both good deeds and evil deeds are predetermined, weal and woe are predestined; nothing would exist that has not been fore-ordained. Then all human plans and efforts for improvement and progress would be in vain and humanity would be without hope. >The same is true of the other viewpoints, for, if everything in the last resort is in the hands of an unknowable God, or of blind chance, what hope has humanity except in submission? It is no wonder that people holding these conceptions lose hope and neglect efforts to act wisely and avoid evil. >In fact, these three conceptions or viewpoints are all wrong: everything is a succession of appearances whose source is the accumulation of causes and conditions. I hope that's not tl;dr, I included the first part to provide more context. it's the last part of that chapter that really jumped out at me, where it addresses the common philosophical positions of fate vs random chance, and rejecting them both in favor of a more nuanced understanding -- that the world we live in is a giant web of cause & effect. I've studied Buddhism for awhile, and was impressed by that particular book, which is why I recommend it (make sure to get the black cover with gold embossing).
>>14828 Both of you are wrong, we have to deal with them violently many of them plan to let us do all the fighting and kill us when our backs are turned, you cannot trust them, you cannot work with them and you should absolutely NOT let them know anything about what you are doing as part of any organization. Lastly pierce was wrong about how to deal with christianity, he was too soft and I believe with the information we have now from the likes of Karlheinz Deschner, Catherine Nixey and Richard Carrier, would have shown him to the only true answer to any problem Violence
>>14823 How did Pierce die exactly? Was he assassinated?
>>14846 No he died of renal failure, which was do to complications from cancer.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/chinese-textbook-rewrites-bible-claims-jesus-stoned-woman-to-death.html What do you guys thinking of the Chinese approach to the problem? Literally rewriting Bible to make it less cucked. >“The crowd wanted to stone the woman to death as per their law. But Jesus said, ‘Let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone.’ Hearing this, they slipped away one by one. When the crowd disappeared, Jesus stoned the sinner to death, saying, ‘I too am a sinner. But if the law could only be executed by men without blemish, the law would be dead.’” Also: https://theasiadialogue.com/2019/10/17/chinas-religion-problem-why-the-chinese-communist-party-views-religious-belief-as-a-threat/ >Chinese Christians, for example, are expected to reject salvation by faith and the Resurrection (because Marxist materialism denies the possibility of life after death). And no, I am not a pro-China shill or anything, it just seemed relevant to the topic. Rather than trying to re-interpret Christianity in a way that works with the state's ideology, in the way the National-Socialists did, the Chinese government seems to simply forcefully morph the religion into something else. Eventually, newer generations of Christians may come to believe that the state's version of the Bible is the real one. I suppose through this method, they wouldn't have to try to stop Christians from being Christians (thus getting around the fetish they have for persecution, as mentioned by >>14735) because their doctrine would end up being nothing more than a mystical version of what the state wants you to believe anyway.
>>14857 >thinking *think
>>14857 >>14858 I think it's really funny what China did. They made the verse a much better lesson as well, because the original story is, as is typical with Christianity, cucked. I have heard people use the phrase "let he who sinned cast the first stone" to excuse criticisms of all sorts of degeneracy. I always thought that if Jesus was so perfect and sinless, he should have stoned the woman himself for being a whore. The funniest thing about the whole uproar over this though is that this story is not found in the oldest New Testament manuscripts. It's an interpolation kek. It might be somewhat fruitful to try to do maybe do this in the future, but one thing that might make this easier to pull of in China is that I'd bet money that there are less translations of the Bible into Mandarin than there is English, and the Chinese state has much more power. I think it would be difficult to slip this stuff in and have people switch to that Bible, but I am curious to see if they do anything else with this verse except for including it in textbooks.
>>14844 I don't think Pierce was that bad on Christianity at all. He realized its danger, labeling it among the greatest dangers to the West today alongside the Jews. At the very least I would have decapitation strikes executed against the major church figures if we were to ever come to power, especially of liberal denominations, as part of a necessary Intelligenzaktion 2.0 against academics and all other major cultural figures opposed to our message that could rally support against the regime. It is important to note that when I advocate for these gradual policies, this is the first option. If Christians become a hindrance, and it is likely that this could happen, they should be trampled over. >>14855 Simply lol.
you don't. you point them to Neoplatonism or Gnosticism for those that don't budge there is always Supersessionism (Catholic) or Christian Reconstructionism (for Prots) I think a lot of you guys are just trying to force your LARP on others. let people believe what they want. unless its atheism “If atheism spread, it would become a religion as intolerable as the ancient ones.” -- Gustave Le Bon
though I struggle with whether Marcionism is a Pantheist or Panentheist religion or sect. we reject the OT as well as denying Jesus being human, so we're fucked up I guess.
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>>14866 >let people believe what they want
Okay so if Christians are bad, what about toehr religions? We know Judaism is bad but I'm referring to Buddhism, Hinduism and it's followers (who are not White).
>>14844 Violence is only going to be part of the solution. Yes, it will need to be employed to take control of society. Yes, the overwhelming majority of Christian leadership will have to be destroyed as well. However, we are dealing with an ideology that runs on slave morality and passive aggressiveness. The time we could deal with Christianity like the Japanese, by just killing them all, came and went a long time ago. It is too long and closely ingrained in our civilization to easily rip out without destroying our ability to remain a functional society and maintain our territory against the other races. You are not going to fix 2000 years of indoctrination and societal organization in a generation. It just isn't going to happen. The Bible is the most printed work in human history, Christianity has the patina of "tradition" at this point in the west, and the majority of lemming conservatives(aka, the people who comprise the bulk of our race's healthy breeding stock, and who will do most of the fighting and working once we take over) just want to go back to the 1950s, they don't see or understand the root problem of Judaism or how Christianity relates to it. Christians fundamentally shut down when you threaten their faith on a basic level. It is the same reason Hitler didn't talk a lot about Christianity specifically, but the SS was busy pushing Positive Christianity for those who wanted to stay Christian(the majority of the population), while aggressively pushing Pagan attitudes and worldviews on the younger generations. It is an ideology that will take a long time to shake off.
>>14866 >>14867 I think you are missing the point. I don't think anyone is seriously pushing atheism as the one true thing here. I don't particularly care for Vedism, for example, but I do not see it as a threat to be destroyed. It is fundamentally compatible with our race. The Abrahamic religions are not only not compatible, but mortal threats to our race. I kind of understand the instinct to just let people believe what they want. The problem is, the majority of the population is pants on head retarded. Pierce was right about lemmings. I was born and raised in America, and due to the way we are raised, that was a hard thing for me to accept, and I didn't truly understand that reality on a visceral level until only this year to be honest. Half the country thinks an avowed Zionist, who's friends are mostly Jewish, who's daughter married a Jew, and who's grandchildren are Jewish, is somehow a "Nazi". All this because said Zionist's enemies control most of the media and educational apparatus in the country. The other half of the country is slightly more sane, but still think Israel is our "greatest ally". In this year, the common cold has been turned into a mortal threat to human civilization, niggers rioting in the streets is a peaceful protest, and not wanting to wear a bandana makes you an evil asshole. This is what happens when you let people believe what they want. If we do not control what is in their heads, someone else will, and it will not be to our race's benefit. This is why Russia and other eastern countries dictate what their people are allowed to believe and what churches/ngos operate in their countries. They understand this concept, and only allow things that push society the direction they want it to go. I understand the instinct to let people do what they want, but it is fundamentally not in accordance with reality, and it is arguably a large part of what has brought us to this mess.
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>>14838 Unfortunately many people seem to take the Abrahamic / Jewish approach to ethics (i.e. legalism, etc) and transplant it over to their understandings of other religions. And do not worry, that was not a TL;DR for me at least, posts like this are right at home on this board, especially when they are packed with good info. I've noticed that Buddhism seems to take the nuanced position on a lot of things from what I have seen so far. The stuff you posted about dependent origination is a good example, as are other things such as the Middle Path and the denial of both eternalism and annihilationism. Also, is the version you were talking about? It looks like it.
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It has occurred to me that I haven't actually articulated my objections to Christianity/Abrahamic religions in general, largely discussing how I would like to deal with them rather than addressing why they are bad. Christianity divides the world into Christians and everyone else. I believe this is a feature of the Abrahamic religions in general. So Judaism has chosen vs goy, Christianity has Christian vs Pagan/heretic, and Islam has Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. The Abrahamic religions essentially force everyone to pick a side. Contrast this to Paganism, a Roman may have political and cultural problem with the Germans, but they did not fundamentally regard them as evil because the believed in the Germanic Pantheon instead of the Roman one. This is not the case with the Abrahamic religions. You have to follow an Abrahamic religion, or you are regarded as evil. The only nuance appears if you follow another Abrahamic religion, and even that is iffy if we are being honest. Just look over the 30 Years War and what happened to the Cathars if you want to see how that works. Does Christianity allow the creation of a functional society/civilization? Absolutely, yes. The west is a good example of this. We have about 2000 years of Christian art and history in the west, does this mean we should accept it forever? No, we should not. I'm not advocating to destroy all the churches and works of art made during these periods, however, we need to recognize that these things were done in spite of Christianity, not because of it. Even the Crusades, which are one of the "based" things done by Christianity, were largely done in spite of Christianity, not because of it. How can this be? Christianity was imposed top down, and largely by kings who were attracted to the teaching of submissiveness to royal authority. Christianity is inherently monarchical, but it is monarchical in a Middle Eastern way, not a European way. European monarchies, especially Germanic ones, were fairly limited. The king's primary job was to lead his people in war. They were otherwise free people who followed the customary laws of their tribe, and even the king was bound by those laws. The king's subjects were not slaves, and he did not hold absolute authority over them. Compare this to how near eastern monarchies worked, where the population was barely one step up from slaves. So when Christian missionaries showed up, this was attractive to kings, because it was a way of increasing their power from what it was. The problem was, the kings had to go along with Christian theology and with what the Pope said. This was particularly strange in the early years, when these tribes were only nominally Christian. So they still operated in a Pagan manner, and often tried to practice both religions side by side. The Popes spent a lot of time trying to get them to stop dueling and waging random wars over points of honour. Eventually, they gave up and decided to use these martial tendencies instead of fighting them. So instead of fighting against the neighboring Christian state, go kill some Muslims or Pagans. Basically, the deal was, if you guys fight the Muslims or Pagans, not only will the Church stop giving you shit about being warlike, but you can do old school, unrestrained war against them, AND it will actually make you holier. This was naturally popular, and that is how the Crusades happened. This pattern repeats in many fields, with the Church trying to suppress/slow down things, and then eventually giving up and using it if they could. So the accomplishments of Europe are just that, the accomplishments of Europe, Christianity was incidental, and in many cases resistant to them.
pt>>14900 this is pt 2 due to char limit: Now that we've addressed the positive aspects of things, lets start looking into the real meat of why it is a problem. Censoring/altering the bible is just not a realistic prospect. The Catholic Church tried to fight that battle and lost, hard. I personally own two physical Bibles from my christfag days, my parents own three, and most people I know also own at least one, and I do not hang out with super religious people. Churches and religious organizations will literally hand out free physical Bibles if you want one, and that isn't even touching online distribution through pdfs/epubs etc. So, we've established it is not realistic to censor/alter the Bible, what does it say? The Old Testament, is literally the Jewish account of history up to the time of Christ. The New Testament includes an account of Jesus' genealogy, going to back through King David, to Abraham himself. Christ's ministry happened in Israel, was addressed to Jews, he was a rabbi, he identified himself as the Jewish messiah, and was executed for claiming to be King of the Jews. So, according to Christians, god is a Jew, and the fulfillment of a Jewish prophecy. Why should Europeans build the focal point of their spirituality around a Jew? Why should young European minds have to wonder why they are taught that Jews are their enemies, while also being taught to worship a Jew? The Greeks and Romans got on just fine, and reached the apogee of their civilizations as Pagans. Can you interpret Christianity in a non-harmful way? Absolutely, however, it will never be safe to do so long term. The Catholic Church is a good example of this. Eventually, someone is going to get their hands on a Bible, and decide to interpret it differently. This is how Protestantism happened. Christianity is universalist and insists on racial equality. So a European Christian, Negro Christian, and a Chinese Christian are all equals, and it is perfectly acceptable for them to intermarry. Part of being universalist means, a Jew can become Christian and that is perfectly fine. That is an avenue of attack, it is how a lot of crypto-kikes came into being. Again, you can interpret the Bible in such a way that these problems are minimized, but it is still there, waiting for someone to read the Bible and take it literally. Christianity tolerates Jews. Jews are and always have been an extreme minority in European society. You could wipe them all out without any real loss. Why has this never been done? The Popes have all shielded them from persecution, and later Protestants decided that since they liked larping as hebes so much, it would be fine to have them around too. Now, a substantial number of Protestants straight up believe that supporting Israel and Jews will make god bless them. Again, you can interpret the Bible in such a way that this isn't a problem, but the problem is, the Bible still exists and all it takes is one charismatic person to decide to restart things all over again. This is the real problem, as long as we follow an Abrahamic religion, we will have to put up with the Jews, whether spiritually or literally. That is what happens when you use a Jewish book as your spiritual guide. You have to constantly interpret it in strange, ahistoric, and arguable heretical ways just to have even moderate protection against Jewish corruption, and all it takes is one charismatic preacher to restart the whole problem. Jews were expelled from England for centuries until the Puritans took over. Now look at the place. The only viable long term solution is to stop trying to force a square peg in a round hole. We aren't Semites, so why should we follow a Semitic religion, especially since it opens our civilization to Jewish infiltration? Tl;dr: Christianity is deemed harmful. It is alien to us, revolves around kikes, and opens our civilization to kike infiltration.
>>14900 >>14901 > Even the Crusades, which are one of the "based" things done by Christianity, were largely done in spite of Christianity, not because of it. The Crusades were actually the exact opposite of "based". They were the original "die for Israel", since the motives were strictly to get control of the "Holy Land". Turks had taken control of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas and the Byzantine Empire felt the pressure. Stories were spread about poor Christcucks visting Jerusalem being harassed, and the Church sperged out. There was also another motive, tied in with trade. New lands, new opportunities for the shekels to poor in. Jews already controlled trade in Europe by this date due to the privileges given to them by monarchs and the church. What "Deus Vult" really means is "God wants you to deal for Israel". One can only wonder how millions of Whites have died in the desert for Jewish ideologies, whether it was a thousand years ago, or to this current moment. It is a great example of Christian hypocrisy. >Why should young European minds have to wonder why they are taught that Jews are their enemies, while also being taught to worship a Jew? This is where the Christian pilpul comes in - the only Jews they truly dislike are those who don't accept Rabbi Yeshua as the Messiah. If an ethnic Jew becomes a Christian they literally can save nothing against them, since ethnic Jews are the foundation of the entire religion, but these' Jews accepted Jesus as the Jewish Messiah. This isn't even anti-Semitism. It's anti-Judaism based on a religious difference, while real anti-Semitism, enlightened anti-Semitism is a purely biological matter. It doesn't matter from this perspective whether one is nominally a Christian or not, one can't just become not a Jew, it's their blood. This is completely opposed to Christianity, which has its teaching of no Jew, no Greek (which is total bullshit, needless to say). It's impossible to be a Christian and have a NatSoc view on this matter. Pretty solid analysis though, I have to say. Everything I didn't comment on (i.e. most of your post) was basically beyond dispute as far as I'm concerned, and we haven't even gotten around to the arguably the most harmful parts, even beyond extreme intolerance of wrongthink, universalism and the like, i.e. the morality.
>>14863 I agree, he wasn't bad on it, but he didn't go far enough. Christianity is poison (such that even allying with Christians those who cannot be awakened, will get us killed) and he knew that but he was too soft on it, probably because of what happened to Rockwell. >>14883 >Violence is only going to be part of the solution. It is the only solution Not only do they not care about race, none of them not even CI, they refuse to see the truth even when it is right in front of their face this kind of person is not fit to be called Aryan or to be sheltered by a government of Aryans for Aryans, this kind of person must be show if male and captured for breeding potential if female and her genetics are good. >Yes, it will need to be employed to take control of society. No shit no idea why you even brought it up >Yes, the overwhelming majority of Christian leadership will have to be destroyed as well. Ditto^ >However, we are dealing with an ideology that runs on slave morality and passive aggressiveness. I agree, which is one of the reasons why we should deal with it aggressively with ceaseless violence. >The time we could deal with Christianity like the Japanese, by just killing them all, came and went a long time ago. No it hasn't, if we do not do this they will win, they will kill us the moment we turn our backs for a second, I have seen them talk about this in their chats all over telegram, if we seek to have a true Aryan Imperium to survive and create a new religion, lets not be kind like Hitler, lets be more like Hadrian but a step more brutal and MUCH less forgiving. >It is too long and closely ingrained in our civilization to easily rip out without destroying our ability to remain a functional society and maintain our territory against the other races. This is not true, when America goes down the rest of the world WILL fall into chaos, every country will suffer we will have plenty of time to recover the numbers we need (less than a tenth of what anybody else would need) to reclaim lost territory and reshape it in an Aryan manner. >You are not going to fix 2000 years of indoctrination and societal organization in a generation. It just isn't going to happen. I don't want to fix it i want to excise the cancer form my people if this requires the death of those who share my blood but would kill me over their worship of a kike god, SO BE IT. >The Bible is the most printed work in human history, Christianity has the patina of "tradition" at this point in the west, and the majority of lemming conservatives(aka, the people who comprise the bulk of our race's healthy breeding stock, and who will do most of the fighting and working once we take over) just want to go back to the 1950s, they don't see or understand the root problem of Judaism or how Christianity relates to it. These people will not be doing fighting and working, Aryan men will these people you speak of are our enemies, and if we bend to let them have what they want it is US who will die and they will kill our race permanently if we allow them to continue to exist in any form in our newly created society >Christians fundamentally shut down when you threaten their faith on a basic level. It is the same reason Hitler didn't talk a lot about Christianity specifically, but the SS was busy pushing Positive Christianity for those who wanted to stay Christian(the majority of the population), while aggressively pushing Pagan attitudes and worldviews on the younger generations. I don't care what hitler did, Christains betrayed him too, or have you read nothing of the stories Christians tell about the good little christian people who resisted Hitler and the "Nazi" party. >It is an ideology that will take a long time to shake off. Not if we don't bother dealing with them and kill any of them we find while we live under the Occupation government we should seek to save those who can be but once this pops off we should seek to find one another band together across Country lines kill this government and create our own, we should not try to take over the current one or save those who will fight against us with the fervor of Abrahamic Fanaticists for their jewish overlords.
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>>14908 > lets not be kind like Hitler, lets be more like Hadrian but a step more brutal and MUCH less forgiving. Hitler was too much sun, Kalki will solve these problems >Kalki” will be all Men “against Time,” come back. He will be the exponent of all that for which everyone of them fought in vain against the ever more powerful current of decay — the very current of history; — the exponent of that eternal cosmic Order, the earthly projection of which is the “reign of righteousness” mentioned in the Bhagavad-Gita. He will be both He Who spoke to the Aryan warrior, Arjuna, — and to all Aryan warriors — on the Kurukshettra Field, and He Who spoke to the German people — and to every racially — conscious individual Aryan of the world — from Hofbräufestsaal, from Luitpold Arena, and from the German Reichstag. For the two are the same One: the One Who came back, and Who will come back again.
>>14908 >when America goes down the rest of the world WILL fall into chaos, every country will suffer I get that Jews are the number one enemy but why other races too?
>>14900 >abrahamic religion is about us vs them But wouldnt you want a religion for White people to be just like that? Like a religion where Whites are told that non-Whites are evil and stuff? Or are you one of those hypocrites who say that they're against jewish culture and people but act like the hollywood depicition of a NatSoc?
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>>14925 I feel like I see a Tor-poster ask this same exact question every day. It's the struggle for existence. Healthy individuals will strive after the interests of themselves, their family, their group, their race, their species. This will necessarily conflict with the interests of others. Some will triumph, some will perish and be ruled over by the victors. That is the way of Nature. Stop thinking in terms of "enemies" and start thinking of "competitors". Non-Whites seek out their own interests, just as Jews do, just as Whites do, just as does every living creature on this planet. >>14926 >But wouldnt you want a religion for White people to be just like that? Is there no difference in your mind between these two types of 'us versus them'? - >I feel attached to my own tribe, my own culture, my own traditions, and I will fight to protect them against other groups and enemies and >AKSHUALLY MARY WAS THEOTOKOS, NOT CHRISTOTOKOS, YOU HERETIC, AND JESUS IS AKSHUALLY CONSUBSTANTIAL WITH THE FATHER, NOT JUST SIMILAR, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS I'M GONNA KILL YOU It sounds hyperbolic, but this is quite literally the type of stuff that Europeans slaughtered each over for centuries. This is literally a manifestation of a neurotic pilpuling kike mindset in Europeans. Different conceptions of reality can coexist within one society. It's quite different than the natural us versus them of human groups. >Or are you one of those hypocrites who say that they're against jewish culture and people but act like the hollywood depicition of a NatSoc? Hypocritical? Top kek! The Jews are winning precisely because they are particularistic racial supremacists, and this is what we must adopt for Whites, and this is why Jews must also die! Double standards are natural! One will naturally treat their own differently and have more concern for their own kin and Volk than completely foreign people, and complete strangers. One treats their mother, father, brothers and sisters much different than just the average lemming on the street. The idea of an across-the-board, universal moral code is completely Abrahamic and fictional. It is this natural love of kin that Adolf Hitler preached to the German Volk
>>14908 I think you are overestimating the degree with which America's collapse will effect the world. Europe, certainly. I doubt that China will collapse, it may, but they might have got to the point where they can survive independently, idk, we will have to see. Russia almost certainly won't collapse, they will just throw a party. Mexico hasn't had a functioning government in forever, all that will likely change there is the cartels just run things openly without pretense. Which brings me to America itself. Non-Christians are a vanishingly small minority. When things collapse, pretty much every church will probably form it's own militia. They already know each other, trust each other, and have an acknowledged authority structure. In Utah and the surrounding areas, Deseret 2.0 will probably be established before a week has gone by. The rest of the country will be fractured, with warlordism on a grand scale. The problem is, you seem to think there are enough racially aware people on hand to form a functioning society out of. I don't think there are enough people to really hit critical mass for that yet. You talk about being like Hadrian, but we have problems Hadrian never had. He was the ruler of a large, Pagan empire with the most powerful military in the world at his command. We are in the extreme minority and have had various secret services disrupting any attempts at organization into something bigger for a couple generations. When things kick off, we are looking at low level tribal warfare. Forget crossing country lines, it will be a life and death struggle to cross county lines. We will have to form and grow new organizations extremely fast if we are to hope to have a stake in the aftermath. We are already operating at a severe handicap in terms of manpower and organization. The Jews and other non-Europeans will need to go immediately, but that will be a fairly easy sell since things will almost certainly collapse along racial lines, and I think the lemmings are already starting to be resentful from the BLM bs. Once the area is racially cleansed, and you are in charge, you can start shaping the ideology of the people there, but that won't be solid for at least a generation. Basically, I think you have an optimistic view of just how fucked up the situation is and how difficult it will be to get our race functioning correctly again. Maybe I'm just blackpilled, idk. But either way, the collapse is inevitable, so we'll see how things play out then. I wish you luck and victory.
>>14926 Abrahamists don't play nice with others, and compulsively strive to convert everyone to their religion. I can exist, quite happily, in a state with Greco/Roman Pagans, Germanic Pagans, Atheists, Cosmotheists, Vedists, etc. Those groups can chill out and recognize that whatever we may think about cosmology and theology, our race has a right to exist and that we are different from the other races. European Abrahamists have an inherent tension between preserving their race and preserving their religion, and when push comes to shove, a significant number will pick their religion. This is why it will need to go. Them existing in a racially aware, non-Abrahamist state will always be a source of tension. The situation will not be stable or secure until they are gone. A Vedist isn't going to tell me I'm equal to a nigger, and that it is ok for my daughter to marry one, as long as it is a "godly" nigger", a Christian will. There is no hypocrisy involved. Tbh, I find the rest of your post incoherent and don't see what this has to do with "hollywood nazis". I recognize my race exists, is distinct from the other races, and has a right to promote it's interests. I think that a religion that developed from the religion of my mortal enemies, and that wants to put me on the same spiritual and physical level as niggers is probably not going to be a good religion to have when establishing a state to protect my race and advance it's interests.
>>14933 >I think you are overestimating the degree with which America's collapse will effect the world. Europe, certainly. I doubt that China will collapse, it may, but they might have got to the point where they can survive independently, I am not, and while Russia(an anti-White empire) might be capable of self sufficiency, China is not, most of the world depends on America for Food, china especially on their own they do not produce even half the food they need alone, let alone the fact that they depend on America more so than anywhere else for it's economy and government to remain in power than literally anywhere outside of the US, they are a paper tiger, that is on it's way to falling down, and it's collapse will be almost as spectacular as America. >idk, we will have to see. Russia almost certainly won't collapse, they will just throw a party. This is only partly true, Russia would suffer as well, the Jewish Oligarchs and Mob bosses would certainly party though along with their brothers all around the world. >Mexico hasn't had a functioning government in forever, all that will likely change there is the cartels just run things openly without pretense. Mexicos government functions wellbut is corrupt in the cities but the cartels don't care for helping the people and depend on the illicit drug trade in america, which would fall through very fucking quickly in a collapse which would be p[receded by the fall of the dollar. >Which brings me to America itself. Non-Christians are a vanishingly small minority. When things collapse, pretty much every church will probably form it's own militia. They already know each other, trust each other, and have an acknowledged authority structure. I don't know what you're talking about Christains are about half the population at least the White population most are irreligious though "culturally Christian" both because of subversion and because of the nature of abrahamic religions and the Asatru Folk Assembly exists though not terribly widespread they do have quite a few more temples than even I expected. >In Utah and the surrounding areas, Deseret 2.0 will probably be established before a week has gone by. The rest of the country will be fractured, with warlordism on a grand scale. To the first part, NO mormons have niggers among them and will choose those niggers over Whites in flagrant violation of their "prophets" dictates in favor of Jesus because oddly enough the books he "found" come in the middle of the story they do not have precedence over the NT >The problem is, you seem to think there are enough racially aware people on hand to form a functioning society out of. I don't think there are enough people to really hit critical mass for that yet. I think there is a lot more of us than one may think I see seemingly, a new person who views the ethnoglobe as a good thing, all over Telegram most every day, are we the Majority? No but our ideas will win out, unless we are stopped by Organizations that deradicalize, even unintentionally, like NRM, at least in their English language channels, chats and forums. >You talk about being like Hadrian, but we have problems Hadrian never had. He was the ruler of a large, Pagan empire with the most powerful military in the world at his command. We are in the extreme minority and have had various secret services disrupting any attempts at organization into something bigger for a couple generations. I don't want to be like Hadrian, I want to be far more ruthless than he was, he let the jews live as slaves, I won't let them have even that, in fact if I were to be the ruler of a new Aryan Imperium, I would make it a policy to thoroughly desecrate the graveyards of jew(including christians) wherever they are found such is my hatred of our Greatest enemy. >When things kick off, we are looking at low level tribal warfare. Forget crossing country lines, it will be a life and death struggle to cross county lines. We will have to form and grow new organizations extremely fast if we are to hope to have a stake in the aftermath. We are already operating at a severe handicap in terms of manpower and organization. We have always worked this way Out numbered outgunned, and the Aryan Spirit prevails regardless, it will again, this I know. >The Jews and other non-Europeans will need to go immediately, but that will be a fairly easy sell since things will almost certainly collapse along racial lines, and I think the lemmings are already starting to be resentful from the BLM bs. It won't be an easy sell, the lemmings aren't half as tired, or resentful, of it as you think most Christians still view Israel and Jews as good ands us as bad they will not submit to rule so why even try? >Once the area is racially cleansed, and you are in charge, you can start shaping the ideology of the people there, but that won't be solid for at least a generation ,etc. What one must do to keep a healthy perspective as a National Socialist is to Overdose on Whitepills, because trust me the blackpill is all around and it is a hell of a drug.
>>14936 >What one must do to keep a healthy perspective as a National Socialist is to Overdose on Whitepills The good thing is that, properly understood, I believe that National Socialism is the eternal Whitepill. Even if Whites are to perish and be destroyed by the Jews, the truths that National Socialism is based on can never be changed, and will never be evaded by anyone. The kikes will reap what they sow and be destroyed along with the rest of the planet due to their actions. I recently finished The Lightning and the Sun and almost got chills from how Savitri Devi ended that work. The last sentence in particular: >And still every further Golden Age to come — every successive Dawn of Creation — will be the living materialisation of his highest dream; a further hymn of glory, proclaiming, every time for myriads of years, that he — He — has once more won. The truths expounded by Hitler have triumphed eternally, and will never not. What is up in the air though, and what we must seize personally, is our own racial survival.
>>14889 (meant to respond sooner) the Middle Path is a major principle. it applies to many things, including lifestyle -- you should avoid both coomer indulgence and asceticism. yes, that's very similar, except my version doesn't have the characters. that must be a Japanese/English dual language version, whereas mine is just English.
This will be our future if we don't learn from the mistakes of the past.
>>14971 Hmm I'll have to look at each version carefully before buying it then. I'm studying Japanese, but I'm only a year in, so that would be useless for me.
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Absolutely leftist-tier
>>15060 Holy shit. The fucking chutzpah in this is out of this world. Jews being the biggest thieves and liars of all - gas-lighting and lecturing others on some kind of pseudo-thievery. It literally reads like something a communist would say.
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>>15062 This wasn't some no-name literal who either, he's a major early Christian. I'm sure we could dig up cucked proto-Communist rhetoric in all of their works if we really put our minds to it. Christians are the leftists of the ancient world.
>>14984 should be straightforward. I can post a pic of my copy, if you'd like. >>15064 in many ways, Marxism is a secular continuation of Christianity.
>>15068 >Marxism is a secular continuation of Christianity. It’s true. It was basically intended as the vanguard of the Jews in the modern world, building off Christian sentiments (slave morality) and playing itself off as a form of “scientific socialism”. The perfect fit for the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and very well-executed given what industrialism was doing to communities and how it was atomizing people and putting them in bad conditions. People have said it before but Marxism is a materialistic religion, Marx is an eschatologist promising progress towards a heaven on earth and his followers are unthinking cultists. Judaism stripped of all religious trappings, see pic >>14684
>>15069 indeed. the whole concept of Marxism is Judeo-Christian egalitarianism combined with modern industry and materialism. just as Christianity was the ideal subversive doctrine for Classical Antiquity, Marxism serves a similar role in our world.
>>15060 I mean what's wrong with helping the poor? I believe that each individual race can look after the poor of their own peoples.
>>15075 There's nothing wrong with the poor, but personally I have always had a big distaste for this type of leftist rhetoric that says that the shit you own belongs to the poor and they have a right to it, even condoning theft to make the point. The Third Reich did much to help the poor through Winterhilfswerk and many programs to help the millions of jobless get back to work. The former was a voluntary charity drive that did great work. We should absolutely have these types of things, but this is quite different from Basil here, who is one step away from saying that Commissar Jamal and his buddies should come along and forcibly redistribute what you own.
Reminder that Catholic Integralism is a CIA project.
>>15122 >Catholic I know from this word alone that it is bad
It's always the life-hating abrahamists and anprim right-wingers that have no vision. They don't see glory in oppression of the other races for our benefit, they meme ideologies like "nazbol in every country" and believe that we should live on a Warhammer 40k harvestworld to be free from sin. They want to be slaves, but get angry when there are masters. They want to be a historical aberration: a masterless slave.
>>15127 >They don't see glory in oppression of the other races for our benefit What do you mean?
>>15140 I’d assume that he is referring to the fact that there is literally nothing wrong in oppressing other races and groups if it serves to increase the well-being (survival, prospects) of our own group. It is not only good, but it can a glorious action for the good of the Volk. >>15127 Any sort of “X in every country” is so naive that I cannot help but shake my head. They have not yet realized that being self-interested and looking out for your own before all others is not “hypocritical”, but rather natural and healthy. Ethnopluralists in particular are very cringey and do not understand Nature
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>>15068 I think I'll be able to figure out which one is the right one. Thanks for the offer though, and thanks for the book recs.
What connection, if any, does Christianity have with ritual cannibalism in its earliest forms? From John 6 in the attached pic. Also, we see very similar accusations by the Roman pagans of the time, and the common theme of a donkey-headed man being crucified. What did this mean?
>>15142 I firmly believe that oppression ultimately leads to the decline of the nation. Either the dominant nation becomes complacent and weak, or they have to spend their existence in an odd state of vigilance.
>>15647 It all depends on how one goes about it. Over-reliance on other groups can certainly degenerate into a form of weakness. It has been pointed out here before how certain types of “slave-making” ants have degenerated to such an extent that they cannot even care for their own broods or feed themselves independently without parasitizing on other forms of ants. We can see parallels in the human world to an extent, though of course no humans have ever evolved to be *exclusively* parasitic and helpless. A people though can certainly become decadent and denatured through relying completely on another people for its labor and strength though. When the elite becomes denatured and decadent, they are swept aside by the masses and a new, vigorous and healthy elite will supplant them. It’s the cycle of civilization, happening even in societies not wholly reliant on colonies, slaves or anything of that nature. All civilizations are ephemeral and entropic.
>>15316 I hear Christianity was popular in Egypt with Alexandrian jews. Jesus having the head of an ass might be like Thoth having the head of an Iblis, or Ra having the head of a falcon, some sort of animalistic representation. Why, the donkey specifically? I think it might have to do with both Jesus and Mary's flight into Egypt and his return to Jerusalem on an ass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Messiah%27s_Donkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_into_Egypt
>>15659 From your foundation I did a little bit more digging. Apparently the Egyptian god Set has a head which "could be seen as a composite of an aardvark, a donkey, a jackal, or a fennec fox". Later on in the paragraph it is said that "During the Late Period, Set is depicted as a donkey or as having a donkey's head." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity) >Originally Seth was a sky god, lord of the desert, master of storms, disorder, and warfare—in general, a trickster. Seth embodied the necessary and creative element of violence and disorder within the ordered world Sounds a lot like Yahweh to me... especially in light of the following: >During the rule of the Hyksos invaders (c. 1630–1521 bce), Seth was worshipped at their capital, Avaris, in the northeastern Nile River delta, and was identified with the Canaanite storm god Baal https://www.britannica.com/topic/Seth-Egyptian-god The Hyskos invaders were clearly Semites then, said to worship Set (=Baal) exclusively: >The title baʿal was a synonym in some contexts of the Hebrew adon ("Lord") and adonai ("My Lord") still used as aliases of the Lord of Israel Yahweh. According to some scholars, the early Hebrews did use the names Baʿal ("Lord") and Baʿali ("My Lord") in reference to the Lord of Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
Some of you may find this interesting. Islam destroyed the system of clans and kin-groups that used to be present on the Arabian peninsula, groups that were very ethnocentric, group- and family-oriented. Blood was more important than religion or anything else. But along came Muhammad, who in contrast preached: >"There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the White superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the White -- except by piety." Note that my source above is from an “Islamic studies” journal and has a negative tilt and pro-Islamic bias
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>ITT no one knows of Germanic Christianity You call yourselves heirs of the Iron Age. https://web.archive.org/web/20201028211356/https://oldenglishpoetry.camden.rutgers.edu/dream-of-the-rood/
>>15937 This tribal system was shown in Lawrence of Arabia as well so I suppose it may have continued existing in some forms up until the creation of Saudi-Arabia. Outside of Arabia today, many Muslims still identify strongly with their ethnic roots and cannot accept others as their equals simply for being Muslim (see for example the anti-Arab sentiment among Kurds, Berbers, Turks and Persians or the hatred that many Muslims have for blacks). Generally, the less religious they are, the more nationalistic they will be and it is often the dogmatic Islamist types who attempt to destroy their own cultural heritage in favor of Arabization.
>>16298 It's good to hear that the damage has not been as bad as I said in my original post then. I'm sure this is most pronounced, as you say, in the global Jihadist types. They are of course explicitly international / transnational. In a way they're like civic nationalist extremists kek. Believe in Islam and join the Ummah. Another good example of what you are saying is in Afghanistan traditionally and probably still today to a great extent. Afghan customary law is very honor and family-based, and even despite them being Muslims they stick to this code pretty firmly from all that I've read. A good example of how far they'll take it is with the story of Marcus Luttrell.
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>>16296 I'm hardly surprised that very paganized versions of Christianity appear for a time. This was part of the Abrahamic strategy of infiltration and subversion, and there is actually proof for this assertion. We can read in a letter from Pope Gregory I to an abbot Mellitus advising him on a policy of gradual Christianization, so as not to make the transition seem to drastic and turn them against the religion being imposed.
James Mason on Christianity: Integral Part of The Problem "Ever notice the similarity between the tenets of Christianity and those of Marxism? They both negate race and private property; they indulge in brainwash, treason, subversion and have resorted to torture and war to get where they want to go. Supposedly a movement for the poor, the hierarchy of both is filthy rich. The Pope and the International have a lot in common with regard to questionable national loyalties and I wonder how the Church would fare against a 'House Un-American Activities Commitee'-style investigation. The bulk of the Communist world is non-White as is the majority of those professing the Christian religion. The liberals and Marxists would have you mix with Negroes on earth while the Christians would have you mixed with them for the rest of eternity. (That would be my own idea of hell!)" "What follows is a quote from Mikhail Bakunin, a Russian nobleman, anarchist, and atheist in the Nineteenth Century. Bakunin was not a Jew nor was he a Marxist in any form. He saw what had taken place in his country and arrived at certain inescapable conclusions-"The idea of God implies the abdication of human reason and justice; it is the most decisive negation of human liberty and necessarily ends in the enslavement of mankind both in theory and practice. "He who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity."" From SIEGE pg. 330
con't "In man's quest for reason and order in the universe and in his desire to elevate himself from the rest of the animals roaming the planet, he invented God to answer all these needs. Every form of human being did this in the beginning, each in his own way, but there the similarity ends. From that point sprang the actual doctrine, the code, etc., and each separate race on this planet gave its own peculiar stamp to society-building and personal conduct. If we are to be original and authentic in what we believe, profess and practice, then we should return to the philosophy of our Northern European ancestors and hail Odin and his host of Norse Gods. It might be a flight of fancy but it would be at least natural, normal and healthy for our people to live by the religion which arose from its ownblood at the dawn of time. But through various quirks of fate, through the machinations of schemers and manipulators, the White Race got stuck with a noxious and repulsive religion cooked up in the twisted brains of a handful of Semites in the Middle East known as the Essenes. Over the centuries and through a dozen or more schisms it is known today as Christianity. It is alien to our blood, to our natural instincts, it is false and deadly and its organized body at work in the world today is dedicated to the destruction of the White Race. It must go."
>>16424 >>16425 Based Siege-poster. You've been posting some good excerpts in multiple threads now, and it's making me want to REED SEEJ. I was going to ask you about about Mason's opinion on religion but looking through the PDF myself, I think I found his position. "God Can Stay but The Church Must Go" - very sensible.
>>16431 >Based Siege-poster. You've been posting some good excerpts in multiple threads now, and it's making me want to REED SEEJ. I was going to ask you about about Mason's opinion on religion but looking through the PDF myself, I think I found his position. "God Can Stay but The Church Must Go" - very sensible. Thanks anon, glad that my posting making a difference to somebody. It's one of the best books I've read so far. I've been both reading and listening to the audio book and Mason seems to provide alot of solutions to problems we've been collectively stuck in since the 1950s. His advocating for adapting the cause to changing circumstances seems to be the key, and bringing about what we want to see through ourselves first. His section of the failing of the Right Wing are also great and insightful. I also learned alot about George Lincoln Rockwell and how much effort he put into laying the foundation for the movement back in the 1960s. I don't think we give the man enough credit, and it's a shame that after he was assassinated noone could muster the character to adequately fill his shoes.
>>16432 >I don't think we give the man enough credit, and it's a shame that after he was assassinated noone could muster the character to adequately fill his shoes. Very true, I have actually been having similar thoughts in regards to Rockwell lately as well. I’ve not taken taken the time to read his books yet, but I have watched Cultured Thug’s two-hour long video on him, read his letters to Savitri Devi and watched a few interviews here and there. Some people dismiss him as a “clown” for his style, but the more I’ve looked into him the clearer it has become that he perfectly understood the essence of National Socialism, and that his dedication to it was absolute. The only other figure that can be labeled in the same category with him, at least in my opinion, is Dr. Pierce. Any group to come will have to look to these men, as well as more classic figures we all admire such as Hitler.
https://youtu.be/XKp4yWGTfXo https://youtu.be/kX62bRIG-OI It seems like something happened in the fourth and fifth century that brought about major changes to the New Testament. What do you think that it is?
>>16444 I can think of a few things. Obviously, it was in the 4th century that Constantine adopted Christianity and issued the Edict of Milan, ending all persecution of the religion. As I said somewhere earlier in this thread >>14325, the co-option of Christianity by the state (or perhaps vice versa) necessitated many changes in order for it to become a viable state religion and tool of governance. After Constantine adopted the religion of course there followed various religious councils which began to decide doctrine and declare other sects heretical. A few decades later Christianization was to really ramp up with Theodosius, who of course banned all pagan worship and made Christianity state religion of the Empire. Christianity went from a persecuted religion of women, slaves and jews to rapidly occupying the leadership of the greatest Empire on the planet. Now this of course doesn't explain particular changes, such as the story of Jesus and the adulterous woman and why it was added, or what was the original ending of Mark, etc, but that is the best thing that I can think of. With the story of the adulterous woman though I have heard that used to excuse degeneracy and being judged before, so maybe it was subversively planted, but who knows.
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>How can we deprogram abrahamists? Ye shall know them by their fruits t. Yeshua
>>16454 >With the story of the adulterous woman though I have heard that used to excuse degeneracy and being judged before, so maybe it was subversively planted I was considering that as well. The story being absent from the book would completely change Jesus' character so to speak as the story implies him favoring forgiving degeneracy over respecting traditions and laws that protect the community.
>>16507 Yeah, exactly. In the past I've always asked Christians why did Jesus himself not just stone the whore if he told them that the one without sin should cast the first stone? In preparing to answer this post, I decided to look this up again to see what Christians themselves said to this question, and of course the answer is "Because Jesus' message was forgiveness of sins. Not condemnation for them." This is one of those things that is just some feelsy rhetoric as far as I'm concerned. Merely forgiving degeneracy is not justice, nor any sort of guide for a healthy society.
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These people were literally communists LOL
>>16528 WARNING CUCKSTIANITY ULTRA POZ OVERLOAD WARNING
>>16529 I'm going to try to collect and source many cucked quotes from Church Fathers. It might make a good infograph.
>>16530 >"I am the soldier of Christ: it is not lawful for me to fight." He was charged with cowardice and jailed, but in response to the charge, he volunteered to go unarmed to the front of the troops. His superiors planned to take him up on the offer, but before they could, the invaders sued for peace, the battle never occurred, and Martin was released from military service
>>16530 based bro put me in the screencap
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>>16528 >first quote Where have I heard something like that before...
>>16545 >millions of Whites follow the words of the Trudeaus and betas of the ancient world Sounds about right
I think it is wrong to dismiss Christian thought so harshly. When you read the bible you'll find many teachings that are integral to a healthy society. Jews are openly shown as the enemy inside of the new testament. A syncretic tradition between folk religions and Christianity is the way to go. In the end all religions come to the same conclusion once you fully comprehend the core tenets.
>>16867 Maybe so but Christianity is authoritarian in nature of what it's trying to achieve, It doesn't speak about race, fighting, or struggle like in judaism or islam or even shinto(which is a racial religion), judaism too could be considered racial religion. Even though jews are genestealers which have no race anymore it still works. Christianity to my awareness of history never worked to truly empower White men and women.
>>16869 Well if it wasn't for Christianity the various peoples that formed European tribes and kingdoms wouldn't merge into one race of White people, so you're definitely correct on the way Christianity has no means of defending a race. Maybe Christianity should be retired for the purposes of protecting the White race it created through its creed for the good of all mankind. I still believe though, Christianity is very integral to White identity and instead of being abandoned it should be evolved.
>>16876 >cuckstianity created the White race This is some new school cringe
>>16867 >When you read the bible you'll find many teachings that are integral to a healthy society. Irrelevant. Read: >>14083 >Jews are openly shown as the enemy inside of the new testament. Typical Christian error. There were at least three major Jewish sects in the time of Jesus. Sadducees, Pharisees and Essenes. Essenes in particular are noteworthy for being against mainstream Temple Judaism. The true Temple was the community in their eyes, and they lived separate out at Qumran on the Dead Sea. It's all just Jewish infighting. John the Baptist too was critical of the mainstream Jewish leadership. Yet he was a Jew. They were all Jews. If all of the Jews had converted to Christianity there would not have been any problem!. The Christian idea of the JQ isn't even racial, it's exclusively religious. If some hook-nosed yid starts praising Jesus that makes him a "brother in Christ". The NT was written by Jews. >In the end all religions come to the same conclusion once you fully comprehend the core tenets. No. >>16876 >you're definitely correct on the way Christianity has no means of defending a race. Into the trash it goes. >Christianity is very integral to White identity Christianity spent two millennia destroying organic White culture and denaturing the peoples of Europe. Who knows how many died fighting for Jerusalem in the Crusades, or how many died due to wars of doctrinal pilpul such as the true nature of Jesus. The Church was a form of proto-globalism that spread its tentacles all over Europe and asserted control over them. Europeans were the first victims of colonization, not non-Whites.
>>16876 Christianity is the theism or Marxist thought. a proto-type of Marxism. "Integral Part of The Problem: Ever notice the similarity between the tenets of Christianity and those of Marxism? They both negate race and private property; they indulge in brainwash, treason, subversion and have resorted to torture and war to get where they want to go. Supposedly a movement for the poor, the hierarchy of both is filthy rich. The Pope and the International have a lot in common with regard to questionable national loyalties and I wonder how the Church would fare against a 'House Un-American Activities Commitee'-style investigation. The bulk of the Communist world is non-White as is the majority of those professing the Christian religion. The liberals and Marxists would have you mix with Negroes on earth while the Christians would have you mixed with them for the rest of eternity. (That would be my own idea of hell!)" -James Mason
>>16867 >I think it is wrong to dismiss Christian thought so harshly. No it isn't and once this tyrannical system falls Christians will be dealt with far harsher than even Mason recommends, I personally will advocate for their death and forceful re-education until I see it happen, even if I have to lead to see to it myself. >When you read the bible you'll find many teachings that are integral to a healthy society. You must be speaking of the Old Testament, a thoroughly jewish book, which is not the doctrine of Christains, who follow the teachings of Marks fictional plagiarism and transvaluation of Odysseus quite directly, thanks largely to Paul. >Jews are openly shown as the enemy inside of the new testament. No they are not, Jesus and his compatriots are Jews, the enemy within the narrative is Pharisaic Rabbis, not the ethnicity of Jews, but a different sect of the same religion. >A syncretic tradition between folk religions and Christianity is the way to go. This was tried by the romans, this is where we got catholicism and "muh based orthodoxy" both shit, both equally as cucked and both failures at preserving our traditions. >In the end all religions come to the same conclusion once you fully comprehend the core tenets. The only kind of person who could say this is one who is profoundly ignorant of religions outside of the Abrahamic spectrum.
>Christianity Not even once
>>17067 >inb4 you trigger some Christcuck who will start posting quotes attacking the Jewish religion and not the ethnicity
>>17067 >spiritual semites more like retarded snow niggers
>>17894 >refers us to a chapter about a Semitic volcano god driving out the goyim from a land and destroying them
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/296569 Why do christains shill literally everywhere they can?
>>17931 I'm a Marcionite, so I sit between Pagan and Christian. But you're gonna have to put with us anyways and you can't really just drive us away because that's divide & conquer no matter how you feel about it.
>>17946 No I don't have to deal with you, and I will exclude any Christian from joining any organization or community I am a part of, because every single one of you is a traitor to our race. The choice is very simple, either abandon the jewish bullshit or die, you cannot be Aryan and Christian the two states of being are irreconcilable.
>>17946 Marcionism is still reliant on a bunch of letters written by the Jew Saul of Tarsus. It hardly solves anything.
>>17946 It's not really divide and conquer when christians were never on our side to begin with.
>>17931 That thread is just retrded, but what can be expected of bronies?
>>17946 >But you're gonna have to put with us anyways and you can't really just drive us away Sounds exactly like what a Jew would say.
>>17931 Abrahamists are obsessed with quantity above all else, especially at the expense of quality. This is why they hope to they go into the gutters of the Internet like /mlpol/ to try to men watching cartoons for little girls into Christcucks.
We need unity against the jew. Put out petty squabbles aside for now and worry about them later.
>>18304 Unity against the Jew is only possible if Christians don't make themselves an obstacle against unity and the fulfillment of the 14 words. Like I've said before, they are the ones who make themselves the problem by getting cucked by their Bibles or by other religious considerations. These are hardly petty squabbles, as a huge amount of the population literally associates with a mutant form of Judaism
>>18311 We all know the won't do that,for them, it is always, except for the extremely rare exception, their religion over their race. Even if they don't cuck on shit like, picking a nigger Christian over a White pagan for their daughter, or not caring what color europe is so long as it remains Christian. There is always some thing that they won't do for the race because of their religion, I have yet to find an exception who didn't eventually become a pagan themselves.
>>18323 On top of that, we can very easily see how many Christians openly disdain anything with a smack of "paganism" attached to it. It is quite often synonymous with evil or perverted in the minds of many of them. Just see how Protestants hurl abuses at Catholics, labeling their traditions or rituals "pagan". Open pagans are likely even more repugnant to them. > There is always some thing that they won't do for the race because of their religion Exactly. It functions the exact opposite way for the Jews with their religion.
>>18328 >>18297 Weh should have make or find a solid debunk of this picture though.
>>18297 The thing I love and hate most about arguing with them is that rather than actually address arguments hey will sidestep it entirely by claiming something isn't one as that christcuck demonstrates in that thread, I gave him both the arguments and the sources of information i used to come to my conclusions and he just "Nope if you don't quote them you aren't making an argument," which I don't get, I am not here or anywhere to do your reading for you.
>>18358 >picture for ants Do you have a better quality pic? Honestly I wonder why people even try to debunk Table Talk. I've read it myself. There's nothing in it that is entirely unlike Hitler or that would ring alarm bells. For example, he never says that kikes are being shoah'd while he's talking, nor does he say any other kike lies like wanting to rule the world or the like. The one reason that the work makes people so asshurt is precisely due to the fact that Hitler addresses the Christian Question within it. They think that if that if they debunk Table Talk, they will undermine the idea of Hitler being anti-Christian - but this is entirely short-sighted. Even with Hitler's Mein Kampf we realize that he was not Christian in any normal sense, just see the following posts where I really went into detail on these matters: >>16384 >>16385 >>16386 And then on top of this Christians must try to attempt to explain away the words of Goebbels, the words of Christa Schroeder, Otto Dietrich, some of those quotes from Albert Speer, the fact that he surrounded himself with anti-Christians like Bormann, Himmler, Rosenberg, etc. One might as well deny the sky is blue. >>18360 It's really funny actually because every /fascist/ screenshot you've posted has been one of my posts top kek. I'm glad that means I'm producing helpful content then. If I see a good opportunity to jump in I might have to.
Alright, I've thrown my hat into the ring on /mlpol/. I'll have to keep an eye on the thread.
>>18414 >>18410 Lets see if I actually saved the image this time.
>>18438 I skimmed through this, but I’ll just address a few points >4) Nowhere does Hitler denounce Jesus or his own brand of Christianity Hitler never does say anything negative about Jesus, either in Mein Kampf or elsewhere, that’s true. That doesn’t mean he was the Son of God in Hitler’s mind. And then again in regards to the claim about “his own brand of Christianity” I again point to the memoirs written by people about Hitler which further support than he was anti-Christian. >6) the “anti-Christian” portions of Table-Talk does not concur with Hitler’s actions for “positive” Christianity Funnily enough the entire Positive Christianity farce had failed even before the war had started (1937 maybe?), and Table Talk are from 1941-42 if I’m recalling correctly. Very possible that his views could have hardened against Christianity in between these years. Also, Positive Christianity made sense to try at the very least. Different Christian denominations were a divisive force within Germany, and Hitler sought to unify them around German nationalism and to attempt to rectify the bare minimum of the religion. It didn’t work. National Socialism was condemned by the Catholic Church in 1937 for “pantheistic confusion”, exalting race and nation and for “pagan” attitudes as well. Some Protestants in German resisted Positive Christianity as well.
>>18453 Abrahamism is a form of cosmic hedonism. Obey the Jews, get infinite pleasures after death. Disobey the Jews, burn and suffer for eternity. Yawn
>>18414 He literally just threw your argument out the window, what fucking balls he has, and he called me a jew doing it too.
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>>18482 Fuck, I'm laughing pretty hard reading his response. Maybe it was stupid to attach image with the brainlet memes, but my thinking is that he would have found something else if I hadn't attached that. They literally have no rebuttals, and they don't even want to put in the effort to argue with us.
>>18484 As am I, I do this mostly to save and inform those who can be, someone like him is lost utterly in the jewish spell.
>>18486 Yeah, most of the hardcore shills are utterly lost causes. The good thing though is that they make themselves look utterly ridiculous when they try to argue in favor of Christianity and make it redpilled compatible. It takes almost zero effort for anyone with a brain to knock down. Like you said, any potential benefit comes from redpilling lurkers. Luckily I never get bored of attacking christcucks.
>>18488 >>18488 Heil those dubs! And yeah, I hope people listen and learn I don't often see results when I do this, so it always make me glad to think I might have saved somebody from the jesus jew.
>>17946 If Gnosticism appeals to you, you should look more into Buddhism. It contains the few positive aspects of Christianity but without all the Jewish elements. The thing with Gnosticism or any other 'positive' form of Christianity is that you have engage in a huge amount of mental gymnastics to turn Christianity into something that it simply was not intended to be by its founder(s). Christianity is a scripture-based religion, this is why you cannot mold it into something that you want it to be as the texts that your faith bases its principles on will always contradict you. And this is why supposed right-wing Christians can only respond with straw-mans and reaction images when they are confronted with quotations of the most Jewish and subversive segments of the Bible. Some Christians say that Paganism has no future because it's 'LARPing' and that modern civilization was founded on Christianity (that's false but besides the current point) but I'd say it's even more 'LARPy' to attempt to resurrect a Jewish religion based mostly on Jewish scriptures and try to to turn that into something anti-Jewish and pro-western for political purposes.
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THE "SON OF GOD" IN PRE-CHRISTIAN JEWISH THOUGHT Recall the beginning of the Gospel of John: >In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. Word = Logos It is important to know that this concept of Logos is found prior to Christianity in Jewish thought. The Jew Philo of Alexandria, who was the official representative of the Jews in Alexandria to the Roman emperor Caligula was the first person to introduce a "Son of God" into Judaism by ripping off Platonic philosophy. He used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being who bridged the gap between God and he material world: >The fundamental doctrine propounded by Philo is that of Logos as an intermediary power, a messenger and mediator between God and the world. >"When speaking of the high priest, Philo describes the Logos as God’s son, a perfect being procuring forgiveness of sins and blessings: “For it was indispensable that the man who was consecrated to the Father of the world [the high priest] should have as a paraclete, his son, the being most perfect in all virtue, to procure forgiveness of sins, and a supply of unlimited blessings” (Mos. 2.134). Philo transforms the Stoic impersonal and immanent Logos into a being who was neither eternal like God nor created like creatures, but begotten from eternity. This being is a mediator giving hope to men and who “was sent down to earth." >This Logos is apportioned into an infinite number of parts in humans, thus we impart the Divine Logos. As a result we acquire some likeness to the Father and the Creator of all (Her. 234-236). The Logos is the Bond of the universe and mediator extended in nature. The Father eternally begat the Logos and constituted it as an unbreakable bond of the universe that produces harmony (Plant. 9-10). The Logos, mediating between God and the world, is neither uncreated as God nor created as men. So in Philo’s view the Father is the Supreme Being and the Logos, as his chief messenger, stands between Creator and creature. The Logos is an ambassador and suppliant, neither unbegotten nor begotten as are sensible things (Her. 205). https://iep.utm.edu/philo/ We see this same basic idea put forth in the Gospel of John. Even before Jesus then, Jews were philosophizing about the Logos as the Son of God, eternally existing, and something through which all things were made. The same source above testifies to the importance of the Jew Philo in laying the intellectual foundations of later Christianity: >The pivotal and the most developed doctrine in Philo’s writings on which hinges his entire philosophical system, is his doctrine of the Logos. By developing this doctrine he fused Greek philosophical concepts with Hebrew religious thought and provided the foundation for Christianity, first in the development of the Christian Pauline myth and speculations of John, later in the Hellenistic Christian Logos and Gnostic doctrines of the second century. Who was this Jew? Was he like Christians, this man who introduced the Son of God? >it would be impossible to give an example of a Greek or Latin text of this period showing sympathy or even interest toward the Jews. This was a condition of which Philo could not have been ignorant. In the background of his life and of his work lay an antisemitism growing more and more violent. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/philo/ Strange how Christianity appeared in this same time period.
>>18639 I have one, It's in the trades, would you like to try again, Mr. Israel Identity?
>>18656 I'm not BO and BO is not a turkroach, nor is excluding christians D&C.
>>18669 >BO is not a turkroach Kek that’s a new one
>>18672 Well you aren't, not sure why he would think you're imkampfy either.
>>18674 He’s probably calling me imkampfy because I banned him yesterday, deleted his shitty posts and then banned him and did the same thing again today. I have no problem with intelligent Christian posts. I think they are fundamentally deluded, so if they are just bumping multiple threads, crying about “LARPagans”, saying that we shouldn’t use the term “White” and that everyone is a Jew with zero substance behind it, I will delete it, especially because we have had so much more activity the last few days, so quality is especially important.
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>>13716 Pushing for an ideology of skepticism will remove many problems plaguing this world, given it is practiced and retaught for a long enough time. Religion tends to stand the test of time, so there is definitely more to it than you might give it credit for. In terms of what you can teach people to ask themselves: Is this true? Did I physically experience this? If I don't see it I don't believe it. Applying these questions will cause many falsehoods which cloud your judgement to seemingly disappear.
>>18710 >Religion tends to stand the test of time, so there is definitely more to it than you might give it credit for. In the case of the west, Christianity has survived for so long only because of constant religious persecution and the destruction of Pagan heritage. If people forget what they practiced before the advent of Christianity, then they will believe that Christianity is the only religion that they can practice, which is why Abrahamism in general is always supported the most by people who are the most uprooted from their ancestral heritage. Keep in mind that westerners have only been allowed to choose what religion they can practice for 2 centuries and have only started seriously considering alternatives to Christianity for less than one century.
>>18488 He's abandoned many of his arguments now, and has stopped calling christianity not jewish, so some progress has been made.
>>18746 I really can't believe how dumb this dude is. Maybe he is confused why I seem to be ignoring for the sake of my posts the ongoing arguments since I don't want to retread too much ground, but in his last reply to me he is making it pretty clear that he did not even read the original post that he dismissed for having a wojack attached it, saying that my only criticism was 'Jews bad' despite the extended talk I did on slave morality and the life-denying aspects of Abrahamic religions. And then he mentioned some shit about Suetonius, who I never even mentioned, so I don't even think this retard knows who he is talking to at this point, that must have been something you mentioned.
>>18768 Suetonius was something I brought up, he kept saying he was born in 50AD, and wikipedia dealt with that, even so we can't be sure how accurate Suetonius's biography of the caesars is, and why he said those things about Nero or even if he did with 2000 years of christians fucking with things, but he definitely seems easily confused, and apparently assumed you were me, or the reverse.
idk if i made this post or not, but you basically need to explain a couple things >the old testament is hebrew indigia, which is 100% identical to indo-aryan tradition (read, plagarized) >jehova is the anti christ (the one jesus warns about in revelations) >the church worships the devil (this triggers the amnat) >the only traditional forms of islam (sufi and shi'ite) have been persecuted by most of the 'muslim' world >yiddish translated to "bad german" (citation needed but cmon) and was designed to trade illicit goods on the silk road >the first crusades were against christians who read the bible
>>18813 >the old testament is hebrew indigia, which is 100% identical to indo-aryan tradition (read, plagarized) This isn't true though, and even if it is, what does it help, they will; just grasp onto this to be more christcucky like most CI niggers >jehova is the anti christ (the one jesus warns about in revelations) this one doesn't work either, unless you had scriptural proof of this and I know you don't they would just ignore it and Iehovah and YHWH are the same entity anyway. >the church worships the devil (this triggers the amnat) Three fourths of them say this themselves. no help >the only traditional forms of islam (sufi and shi'ite) have been persecuted by most of the 'muslim' world Who gives a fuck about sand niggers? >yiddish translated to "bad german" (citation needed but cmon) and was designed to trade illicit goods on the silk road Literally seen Christcucks use this to blame Germans for the existence of jews. >the first crusades were against christians who read the bible They were not, they were against pagans.
>>18813 >yiddish translated to "bad german" (citation needed but cmon) and was designed to trade illicit goods on the silk road Yiddish just means "Jewish". It's ultimately from the German world 'jüdisch'. They have a doublet 'jiddisch' which refers to Jew-speak. >the first crusades were against christians who read the bible It was against Muslim / Turk occupation of Jerusalem and the 'Holy Land'. In fact, it was the original "die for Israel". And this isn't even to mention the social and economic motivations such as access to new lands, opportunities and trade.
Anyone read thuletide? https://thuletide.wordpress.com It's very good material and properly identifies crucial evil forces at play, but fails for the usual trap of thinking that the solution rests in Christianity. Why so many smart people still suffer this glass ceiling syndrome (GCS)? How can they be willing to spend so much time looking for truth, mostly due to their very sensitive J-radar that always tell them that here lies some subversion, yet cannot even imagine that J-material present in their religion is anything other than safe and good? Why such ideological cuckoldry? What are the causes? Is it stupidity? Laziness? Comfort? Fear? Also, why still use Wordpress? It's both open to exploits and random forms of hacking and can be aborted by TPTB.
>>19697 I thought he was a pagan, but my guess is because he's fearful or something.
>>19697 On Twitter, he also seemed to imply that Christianity is the 'normal' choice of religion for westerners and that only a handful of LARPers are Pagan. I don't get why these types are so keen on calling Paganism LARPers when their treatment of Christianity (attempting to resurrect a dead religion that no one truly believes in anymore) doesn't seem very different. >>19698 It seems like he's afraid of infighting and doesn't want to touch on subjects that aren't directly related to race.
>>19697 Thuletide's decent. I read him occasionally. I do not like his focus on Jewish genetic science or his idea that the Romans were not Nordic and that the population is basically the same as today, however, but no one is perfect I guess. Like >>19698 I thought he was a pagan as well. It is very sad that you say that he is not willing to touch on the Christian question when it is one of the most dangerous and vital issues facing our people today. >Also, why still use Wordpress? It's both open to exploits and random forms of hacking and can be aborted by TPTB. Are there any good places like that to use like that today? I like to churn out effortposts and schizoposts here a lot, but I've thought of making long-form redpill posts on some things such as Christianity, paganism, and the like for a while now after seeing how people spread them around a good deal, but I don't know where the best place to host something like that would be. The alternative would be Bitchute stuff, but I don't really want to be any sort of eceleb
>>19712 >but I've thought of making long-form redpill posts on some things such as Christianity, paganism, and the like If they're interesting/informative then I am sure at least the people posting here would like to read them.
>>19718 Yeah, definitely. Especially I've noticed that Christcucks say the same shit over and over that ideally could just be debunked by posting a link to something that someone has written up (for example Jesus and the sword, Jesus whipping the other Jews in the temple, etc). I've already got ~20,000 some words of shit laying around on word documents, so if I can ever find something to do with it I will.
>>19722 You can always make awordpress blog or forward via email to Chechar at The Wests darkest hour blog he is quite open about opposing christianity, and might be interested to put up debunks of commonly used Christian arguments but he is quite good at that himself already.
>>19743 I will have to look into Wordpress more. That would be my first go-to, but >>19697 rose some concerns about it, so I will wait and see if he replies to my earlier post, but that is probably what I would / will settle with. But if the Chechar blog you have mentioned and Thuletide both have never had any problems, I don't know why I would be the exception here.
>chechar blog Isn't that owned by some brown taco spic?
>>19755 I thought he was a White Mexican, but I don't know. That is just what I have gathered, since his page is covered with shit about William Pierce and Rockwell. It would be bizarre if some spic was posting about them.
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>>19755 pic related is him 30 years ago, he is not fully White, his father was a Mexican, with an iberian phenotype, who married Cesar's mother, apparently some variant of shitskin, He woke up to the truth about White nationalists sometime in his forties and has dedicated himself to National Socialism and the 14 words ever since, as well as expounding upon his own philosophy of the 4 words "eliminate all unnecessary suffering", which is derived, apparently, from himself, his life, and Nietzsche, etc.. If he isn't White enough for you to listen to, or read, that's your loss, he is quite intelligent and very well read. >>19758 It is bizarre. That blog is targeted towards men like us, not to deradicalize either, in fact the opposite. Cesar is quite strange but he speaks the truth.
>>19765 >his own philosophy of the 4 words "eliminate all unnecessary suffering", which is derived, apparently, from himself, his life, and Nietzsche, etc.. I wonder how he got that from Nietzsche, because I remember reading in 'Beyond Good and Evil' Nietzsche saying that far from eliminating suffering, people need to suffer far more. I know (since I looked this up before I wrote the post) that he says that "eliminate all unnecessary suffering" doesn't mean "eliminate all suffering" but I could easily see this being twisted into something cucked. Either way, I've read a bit of his stuff from others having linked it here. I don't forget that he is a non-White so I stay alert, but he seems decent.
>>19758 What's bizarre is that he defends the official 9/11 narrative along with being seemingly blind to modern subversion in general (such as holding up Duginists like Spencer as genuine nationalists) while tearing apart the Holohoax and other anti-Germany propaganda. I could never figure that out, he seems too smart for it. He is quite excellent on anti-Christianity however, and that's all I recommend him to others for.
>>19768 I guess not everyone can be perfectly redpilled on every topic unfortunately. I can imagine his view would be different if he was actually White. I mean, how is he supposed to know what is the best interest of our people? It seems like he has some decent insights in some areas though (as you said Christianity, etc)
>>19768 I saw a blog post explaining it a while back, it was kind of roundabout, I don't think he got it only from Nietzsche, a lot of it seems to come from his stance on Psychology and Psychiatry as well being a proponent of the Trauma model of mental illness and that model does make sense, although there are certainly some things that are biological in that realm the vast majority are not. >>19768 On the contrary, he criticizes spencer quite often maybe not for his flawed nationalism or shilling for eurasianism and Duginism/Nazbol, but for the same thing he calls all White Nationalists idiots for, not being Nordicist, not being moral enough in a Nietzchean way thus immoral in a christkike sense, and more, obviously but I need not cover it all here. As for his believing the narrative around 9/11, that really doesnt matter at all, false flag or not, planned or not it is really immaterial to us or our goals and we should not waste time or effort trying to discover what really did happen, it truly doesn't help us. >>19771 An outside perspective is sometimes the best perspective, he seeks largely to get most so called White nationalists across the "Psyschological Rubicon "as he calls it, to where we stand now.
>>19837 How asshurt are you gonna be that you need to constantly post here?
>>19699 >On Twitter, he also seemed to imply that Christianity is the 'normal' choice of religion for westerners In other words he stopped being a fascist and became a reactionary. Christianity is what brought westerns in this mess of today in the first place. You can't make westerns Chads again with christcuckery especially when their philosophies, scriptures and generally entire is history is about making Whites "civilized" and turning them into submissive weaklings. Europeans would be better off pretending to be Vikings than shilling a dead Jew's church.
>>19840 Believing that Christianity is still a viable solution is such an unfortunate bluepill to fall into, especially when someone is otherwise already redpilled. I feel like the only reason that people fall into ideas like this in the first place is due to some sort of nostalgia about the world as it was some fifty to one hundred years ago. People were much more Christian and less pozzed compared to today, but it's a shortsighted and bluepilled view for the reason that you have already said - Christianity and Abrahamic thought is the problem. Christianity has resolutely failed to solve the problems we face, and indeed it gets weaker and meeker with every passing year. Less people go to church, the religion itself becomes more and more non-White in terms of followers, etc. I've argued before that Christianity has literally been dying for centuries at a very slow rate.
>>19842 >I feel like the only reason that people fall into ideas like this in the first place is due to some sort of nostalgia about the world as it was some fifty to one hundred years ago. That and likely because they believe or know that there are a-lot of religious and nationalistic Whites remain Christians. I wouldn't have as much as a problem with this perspective if they Christians would just learn to stop being a bunch of cowards and act like Islamists, while fighting for their race as well. They should realize that church shillings/worship comes later and killing those who are invading and destroying Europe comes first. > the religion itself becomes more and more non-White in terms of followers, etc. And I've seen trad-caths embrace and endorse this, I saw some on (((Twitter))) even say that they would rather Europe burn than have their religion die out. >I've argued before that Christianity has literally been dying for centuries at a very slow rate. I think this is happening with all Abrahamic religions, Islam is even said to be dying slowly and the newer converts are only rising in Africa similarly to Christianity, but dying in places like the Middle East and East Asia. The rise of secularism in even the most traditionalists nations is becoming the norm.
This book is a good read for insight into the mind of the jew, and the details of their plans
>>19840 He also seems to be a fan of Evola, as he quotes him on his 'about' page on his website. But Evola said that Christianity is essentially garbage and that Catholicism was only redeemable because it adopted certain Roman/Pagan ideas and symbols. This is something I have heard from a lot people online. But then, if the only valuable aspect of western Christianity is its pre-Christian roots, why even try to preserve Christianity in the first place? >>19842 They also don't understand that opposing things like feminism and sodomy is not something unique to Abrahamic religions and that this was a feature of pretty much all societies in pre-modern times. Because their understanding of Paganism is based mostly on the Bible, they may think that Europe was like Sodom and Gomorrah pre-Christianity, which is of course nonsense. Rome did become degenerate in its final stage but that's partly because of the influx of Semitic peoples who brought along religions that would have disgusted the founders of Rome. Elagabalus is a perfect example of that. And it was this influx of foreign people and sexual degeneracy that allowed for the adoption of the Semitic life-rejecting cult. There is strong similarities to that and the current situation in Europe, you have some people saying that Islam is based and that it needs to be adopted to fix the west, as if degeneracy and Islam are the only two options. >>19844 >Islam is even said to be dying slowly and the newer converts are only rising in Africa similarly to Christianity, but dying in places like the Middle East and East Asia True, atheism is rising among the youths in many Islamic countries, because of the lowering quality of life and the financial inability for many to marry, causing sexual morality to decrease. Islam is mostly followed for opportunistic reasons like the easy access to marriage for men who would have no way to procreate in a harsh modern dating environment.
>>19842 I seriously don't get it. The fact that Christianity came from the same sands as jews and arabs, the fact that their original bible was in the same hebrew language, should be a red flag. And yet, many christians want to shill that it's the only White religion (and I'm betting for the majority, it's in fear of being to hell 'cuz they refuse to go against daddy jew), and that all of our ancestors were christian despite the fact that they went all the way to Europe to cut down the tree Pagans worshipped or whatever and completely replaced them. I really, truly, don't get it.
>>19844 >I wouldn't have as much as a problem with this perspective if they Christians would just learn to stop being a bunch of cowards and act like Islamists, while fighting for their race as well. We can dream, but it will never happen as I'm sure you are aware. I can at least respect jihadis. They talk the talk and walk the walk, and do not cuck or compromise in fighting for their ideals. I don't like Islam of course, it's yet another universalist, jew-based religion, but I gotta call it how I see it. > I saw some on (((Twitter))) even say that they would rather Europe burn than have their religion die out. Yes, this is where they show their true colors to the highest extent. I have seen many times Christians say that, when faced with the choice between an 100% non-White Christian Europe and a 100% non-Christian White Pagan Europe that they would choose the Christian one. They are the original civic nationalists. Same results oftentimes when you ask them who they would rather have their daughters marry. >>19846 > Evola said that Christianity is essentially garbage and that Catholicism was only redeemable because it adopted certain Roman/Pagan ideas and symbols. This is something I have heard from a lot people online. But then, if the only valuable aspect of western Christianity is its pre-Christian roots, why even try to preserve Christianity in the first place? I'd assume that Evola was writing this before Vatican II also, when the church completely cucked out and embraced modernism, philosemitism and the like. But then again, as far back as the 1830s the Holy See was getting big loans from the Rothschild family. They've been compromised for a very, very long time, needless to say, and you are right that people need to learn to separate what is truly European, and what is merely a Semitic mold clinging to the vaguely European core. >They also don't understand that opposing things like feminism and sodomy is not something unique to Abrahamic religions and that this was a feature of pretty much all societies in pre-modern times. Because their understanding of Paganism is based mostly on the Bible, they may think that Europe was like Sodom and Gomorrah pre-Christianity, which is of course nonsense. It is very unfortunate that paganism has become so associated in the minds of the masses with Satanism, Aleister Crowley and things such as Wicca, which is an extremely degenerate, untraditional 'religion'. This is where all of the shit about feminism and sodomy comes from, no doubt. Both Christians and Jews alike are to blame here for spreading and perpetuating these lies, along with the distortions of leftists of authentic traditions. Funnily enough, I learned a while back that 'witchcraft' was also something punishable by death in pagan Europe - which is quite different from the naive idea that witches were 'pagan remnants' or something.
>>19850 >The fact that Christianity came from the same sands as jews and arabs, the fact that their original bible was in the same hebrew language, should be a red flag. This one takes some advanced mental gymnastics. First they have to come with the mindset that it is true, thus it doesn't matter where it comes from. Next, they have to convince themselves that Judaism didn't exist until after Christianity became a thing, and that the basis of the problem is not Semites, but Semites who are religiously Jewish. And these religiously Jewish Semites hate Jesus for whatever reason, and all would be fine and dandy if they just accepted the good Semite Jesus. Of course this is all just nonsense and very far from a racial mindset. >and that all of our ancestors were christian despite the fact that they went all the way to Europe to cut down the tree Pagans worshipped or whatever and completely replaced them. It's especially funny once you learn how astroturfed Christianity actually was. It was completely top-down. Sure, it might have spread organically among slaves, women and Jews for a while in Rome, but after Rome itself got compromised under Constantine, the gradual Christianization of Europe in the following centuries was something that was done through converting the rulers, who then in turn destroyed all of the statues and forced their people to get baptized. A good example of this is Kievan Rus under Vladimir. Basically, the king wanted them to be Christian, so they became Christian. But I guess we should just blindly follow what was the result of coercion! Doos vult, amiright?
>>19857 >They've been compromised for a very, very long time From the start, really. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes Most of the first popes were absolutely degenerates. Very few members of the early Catholic leadership were actually celibate, they were either faggots who raped the young boys in their service or they would secretly (or not so secretly in some cases) visit prostitutes. The former was sadly a practice that continued up until modern times. I have nothing against the practice of voluntarily celibacy in itself but I am convinced that most of the people who became celibate to serve the church were closeted homosexuals. >>19858 >This one takes some advanced mental gymnastics You forgot to mention the people who claim that Jesus was a White man who somehow ended up in the Levant. What do you guys think of the possibility of Jesus never even having existed or having been multiple people? The only 'proof' of Jesus' existence is a Roman document that dates from about 30 years after his official death. There is no document mentioning him from the time when he supposedly lived or died, you'd think that the creation of a new religion causing civil unrest in one of the already rebellious provinces would at least be worthy of a mention by some Roman at the time.
>>19859 *absolute
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>>19859 What do you guys think of the possibility of Jesus never even having existed or having been multiple people? I think he existed. This doesn't lend as much to the Christians as you'd think though. One thing I'd say that is inaccurate that you're saying here is that Jesus was starting a new religion - I think that isn't what he was intending at all. Even Paul thought of himself as a Jew. I don't even think he used the word "Christian". This becomes clearer when you see that there was a debate with the non-Jesus-following Jews about what aspects of Jewish law apply to gentiles and the like, if any. The differences from Judaism only built up over time as people elaborated the theology / christology and more and more gentiles were entering the religion. Even when Suetonius mentions Christians in passing, he writes this: >Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome. This seems like there was not much of a difference in the Roman mind between Christians and Jews. Even Paul's letters come from some two decades after Jesus' death. Now unless we are to say that literally everything was faked, it's clear that Paul was writing letters to somebody about Jesus, whom the recipient(s) already knew about. It seems as if in some twenty years after Jesus' death some acceptance of Jesus as the Jewish messiah had spread into Asia Minor, among Jews mainly of course. Looking at it from the outside as a pagan, what difference would it make really - these Jews accept this dead Jew as the messiah, this other group of Jews doesn't, big whoop! And then to further blur the lines, as I have written before there were tons of different types of Jews in this time, some in favor of the Jewish establishment (Pharisees, Sadducees) and some opposed to these groups (Essenes, people like John the Baptist, Jesus, etc). The Sadducees' canon only included the Pentateuch, and they believed that there was no afterlife at all. Pharisees disagreed with this and accepted many more books and of course the Oral Torah, which eventually evolved into the Talmud. The point of this is that there was great diversity among Jews, and Romans didn't seem to give a shit about these differences between Jews in the slightest. I also don't think it caused that much civil unrest. To the extent that we can believe the New Testament, Jesus sperged out and whipped some other kikes outside the temple, and later had some squabbles with the temple Jews, and he gave himself up without a fight later to the Romans. The Jewish temple was huge and problem had thousands of people milling around. Christians act like he cleared out the entire temple: >This area was primarily a bazaar, with vendors selling souvenirs, sacrificial animals, food, as well as currency changers, exchanging Roman for Tyrian money because the Jews were not allowed to coin their own money and they viewed Roman currency as an abomination to the Lord,[29][dubious – discuss] as also mentioned in the New Testament account of Jesus and the Money Changers when Jerusalem was packed with Jews who had come for Passover, perhaps numbering 300,000 to 400,000 pilgrims Just look at the pic, at minimum that square is the size of a football field
>>19863 You have to keep in mind two things: >jews were and are part of a group of culturally very similar Semitic peoples who all share the same worldview and can easily convert to each other's religion >many of these Semitic peoples were under Roman rule, and spread over the empire, bringing their religious practices with them You should read Decline of the West from Spengler if you want truly understand this matter. But long story short, there are actually a fuckton of Middle Eastern people who are just like the jews and moslems: they have a bunch of holy texts that are supposedly coming from the prophets and saints of a single almighty god, and they also have a bunch of priests who interpret these texts and tell them the rules and laws that should govern their lives. And it was quite easy to switch from one collection of holy texts to an other. And because the Roman Empire already had Semites (not only jews) in every corner, it was easy to convert them to Christianity. And Christianity worked rather well not because its values were anything new (indeed, what Jesus was preaching was just common sense to all these Semites), but because the story of Jesus was a good one (at least for them): it meant that their struggle is finally over, they just have to worship this new messiah and they don't have to worry about anything in this life or the next one.
>>19772 >On the contrary, he criticizes spencer quite often maybe not for his flawed nationalism or shilling for eurasianism and Duginism/Nazbol, but for the same thing he calls all White Nationalists idiots for I mostly agree with you and they do make good punching bags for his rhetoric, but he never points out that they're literal foreign agents and that they wouldn't have platforms if they weren't. It's fairly obvious at this point that if we had a public platform the alt-kike would be dead in the water.
>>19869 I am going through Alfred Rosenberg's Myth and he also used Spengler's ideas of the Semitic Magical spirit and the European Faustian spirit. Rosenberg describes that these Semitic cults in Rome would often engage in practices like bodily mutilation, human sacrifice and even the consumption of feces. You can still see this to a lesser degree in Judaism and Islam, with circumcision, ritual slaughter and blood libel. But even in the Bible, you had Jesus encouraging men who wanted to remain celibate to castrate themselves. Rosenberg would also describe how these Semitic cult leaders would adopt the Roman/Greek myths but give them all sorts of degenerate interpretations, claiming that the symbolic meaning of the stories had to do with their already established practices of fecal consumption and pederasty. Something that seems similar to the post-modern deconstructions of every beloved cultural work by the Jews of today.
>>19869 Honestly I'd focus on the kikes than other Semites. I have no issue with semites. Just the kikes.
>>20054 To understand Jews more, one has to understand the larger group that they come out of.
>>20054 Found the forced laborer.
http://www.renegadetribune.com/great-jewish-rocknroll-swindle-part-13/ >Some people might think that this agenda of the Kosher Judeo-Masonic/’Satanic’ all-seeing eye mind control operation might be a recent phenomenon in popular music. Far from it, all this conspiracy started long ago, and it is not coincidence the 1960s were probably the era in which this agenda started fully fledged. We know what happened in those years so I’m not going to get redundant here. >One of the things that drives me crazy the most is that this argument is ALWAYS delivered from the ‘Christian perspective’ (just search some articles on the subject). One always ends up mired in this Christian eschatology of the forces of ‘evil’ personified by the ‘evil cabal of Illuminati’ conspirators in the entertainment industry (which is true of course, I’m not going to deny that) in contrast with the very virtuous Christian mindset. I want to make this exposé from a more realistic standpoint, discussing the issue without any messianic overtones of what it is; just controlled opposition. >Here we are given two choices, either you are with the Christians or you are with the ‘Satanic’ Masons of Big Media Incorporated. Just like everything else; Pepsi vs Coca-Cola, McDonalds vs Burger King, East vs West, Communist vs Capitalist, Democrat vs Republican, Trump vs Hillary, you name it. >One of the most important aspect of this music subculture has always been the aim to separate generations of folks. Now it all seems pretty clear to me that it was not an accident many of these so-called ‘urban tribes’ were created after the 1960s (it started earlier than that in actuality with greasers and mods), the most notorious of them was of course the ‘Hippie Generation’ (also known to many people as The Baby Boomer generation). Seeing it from a certain perspective, this ‘urban tribe’ phenomenon, as it evolved over the years, was trying to further divide a particular generation of young people into different compartments if you will, but most of all to separate the younger generation from the previous generations. The funny thing is that, surprise-surprise, we can find something very akin to that in the Bible of all places: >{10:34} Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. {10:35} For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.” – Matthew, from The King James Version of the Holy Bible
>>22502 I have read this before. It's all essential reading. Even if one knows that music is subversive today, it honestly surprised me just how kiked it was even back then. I'm not a big music guy though so part of it may have just been ignorance on my part. I have written before how music of certain varieties plays a key role in the maintaining control over society and in influencing the minds of the masses.
>>22512 Serrano had an essay on nigger music back in the day - way back in the day. I am also surpriswd at the amount of antisemetic music in old rock, like "Shylock," by the band "Buffalo"
>>22512 I still think jazz is nice.
>>22513 Is it in English?
>>22514 The modern, relaxed jazz that people like now is very different from the original, pre-WWII jazz that niggers created, which was more harsh-sounding and often had sexual undertones. The word jazz may even have come from 'jizz'.
->>22866 Kek I died
Abrahamics have made the choice to reject life in favor of death and "afterlife." The point of ultimate philosophy for them is what happens to their "eternal soul" and that real life is ephemeral and unimportant. National Socialism is a philosophy based on the well-being of the living, so it's directly opposed to the denial of life in favor of a death paradise which is the core of Abrahamism. It's a question of faith and philosophy. Abrahamic religions are globally dominant because they claim to answer an unknowable question (what happens after you die), while National Socialism only solves known questions in life, which is not acceptable to the fear-based thinking of Abrahamics. The thing to remember is that Abrahamics live life in a perpetual state of fear. Deep, abiding fear that they will live in eternal misery after their own deaths if they behave wrongly in certain ways. Frankly, it'd probably benefit us a lot if it was possible to freeze people in a death state, then bring them back so they can experience both life and death in adulthood, and not worry so much about being dead. If you can make an Abrahamic less afraid, you can probably deprogram them, but I couldn't imagine the amounts or types of resources required to do that on a widespread basis.
>>22882 I can’t help but think holding the threat of eternal hellfire over people is a good motivator to doing what we want them to do though. Basically it’s the doctrine of karma radically simplified into a one-life scheme and good “rebirth” (heaven) / bad “rebirth” (hell)
>>22882 Why would you sage an on-topic post? >The thing to remember is that Abrahamics live life in a perpetual state of fear. Deep, abiding fear that they will live in eternal misery after their own deaths if they behave wrongly in certain ways. They are cowards one and all better to kill them so that their cowardice does not live on than to risk infecting ourselves and our race with such disgusting behavior ever again. >Frankly, it'd probably benefit us a lot if it was possible to freeze people in a death state, then bring them back so they can experience both life and death in adulthood, and not worry so much about being dead. This would not be a benefit, and would only matter if you seek to recruit cowards. >If you can make an Abrahamic less afraid, you can probably deprogram them, but I couldn't imagine the amounts or types of resources required to do that on a widespread basis. There is literally no point whatsoever in doing this, the only person who can break an abrahamic believers conditioning is the person themselves, we can only give them the information that may cause them to finally reject the poison.
>>22887 When speaking of legacy, a man should do good in life to benefit his family, community, and volk after his death. If he lacks the character to do that, then he should be kept in line by law and societal pressure during his life. If a man is so broken that neither legacy nor legal/societal consequences keep him in line, then the threat of post-mortem magical hellfire will not help either. The vile behavior of so many supposed men of God is proof enough of this.
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The Churches >THE Christian Church taught the equality of humanity from the beginning, and realized it in the areas it dominated. The jew Paul was above all responsible for the idea, despite his pride in his pure jewish ancestry. He won the inhabitants of the Roman Empire for the new faith. The Roman Empire experienced considerable mixing of peoples, which encouraged the rapid spread of the doctrine of racial equality. Anyone could become a Christian, whether Roman, Greek, jew, Negro, etc. As Christians they were all the same, for the important thing was that they belonged to the Church and accepted its teachings. The only differences that counted were those between believers and unbelievers, and between priests and the laity within the Church. Since all men were created in God’s image, all needed to be won for the Church. The goal is a unified humanity united in an all-encompassing Church led by the priests. The clearest expression of this comes in Pope Pius IX’s statement on 29 July 1938: “One forgets today that the human race is a single, large and catholic race.” >This religious doctrine did not come from the native religion of a race or of a racially pure people. It developed in the Orient during a period of racial chaos from the most varied cultures and found its final form under Byzantine influence. >Being absorbed into the Christian community and receiving Christian education did nothing to change or improve the nature or life styles of the various peoples, however. They were only rendered uncertain of their true nature, meaning that foreign influences interfered in areas where only blood should speak, for example the relations between men and women, spousal selection, the relationship between family and people, indeed in relations to foreign customs and life styles. In over a thousand years, Christianity has not succeeded in raising the cultural level of Negroes or South American Indians. But the Church has built walls where none should exist, for example those between Germans of varying confessions. if themselves and act according to their consciences. But the tragedy of the Reformation is that it began as a German revolution, but ended in a battle over dogmas — and Luther finally bound the conscience to the jewish teachings of the Bible. Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo and many other scientists began the battle between modern science and Church dogma. The European scientific spirit can only accept as true that is in accord with science and experience. Today even the once-immovable Church is asking questions about the equality of humanity. The National Socialist worldview, based on the knowledge of the laws of inheritance and the inequality of the races, will succeed in overcoming this ancient false teaching and return the German people to its native worldview. https://nationalvanguard.org/2021/02/our-enemies/
>>22700 I have heard that niggers had some skill back then, playing jazz and all.
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>>23242 I'm sure some niggers are also """"skilled"""" at rap too
>>23245 Not rap. The niggers of today are trash in media. I was referring to those in the past.
>>23242 https://youtu.be/EcA24RTmnF8 Yeah, their music was soooo different back then.
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>>23251 Yup, to no one's surprise, niggers produced filth in the past and filth today.
>>23251 >>23252 I apologize. With all due respect, niggers were not as uppity as they are back then.
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>>23254 Even that might be a manufactured idea
>>23251 Speaking of such songs: >Mac Tonight is a fictional character used in the marketing for McDonald's restaurants during the mid-1980s. Known for his crescent moon head, sunglasses and piano-playing, the character used the song "Mack the Knife" which was made famous in the United States by Bobby Darin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iooViITRp9M This was not a nigger song, though. It refers to a murderous rapist, Macheath, from Threepenny Opera ------ Lyrics: Oh the shark, babe Has such teeth, dear And he shows them Pearly White Just a jackknife Has old Macheath, babe And he keeps it Out of sight You know when that shark bites With his teeth, babe Scarlet billows Start to spread Fancy gloves, though Wears ol' Macheath, babe So there's never, never a trace of red Now, on the side walk, ooh Sunday morning, uh huh Lies a body just oozing life. EEK! And someone's sneaking round the corner Could that someone be Mack the Knife? There's a tugboat down by the river, don't you know Where a cement bag's just a drooping on down Oh that cement is just, it's there for the weight, dear Five'll get ya ten, ol' Mackie's back in town Now did ya hear 'bout Louie Miller? He disappeared, babe After drawing out all his hard earned cash And now Macheath spends, just like a sailor Could it be, our boy's done something rash? Now, Jenny Diver, Suky Tawdry Oh, Miss Lotte Lenya, and ol' Lucy Brown Oh the line forms on the right, babe Now that Mackie's back in town I said, Jenny Diver, oh Suky Tawdry Look out, Miss Lotte Lenya, and ol' Lucy Brown Yes, that line forms on the right, babe Now that Mackie's back in town Look out ol' Mackie is back!
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>>22512 I don't think I want to live in a world where I can't listen to music by myself. I guess I wouldn't mind if I could play piano or something, but I just have to have my music.
>>14064 I would definitely be wary of any aspect of christianity that tells you not to fight, or to fight less effectively. It is not dishonorable to use your full strength against your enemies, if anything it shows that they are worthy of your full attention.
>>23668 Don't worry, it is not music itself that is the problem, but certain kinds of music. We're not Muslims after all.
>>23251 That's better classified as jump blues, which is musically simpler. Something like this would be more representative of the point you're trying to make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB_fbBfP9yU
>>23668 Indirect music isn't inherently bad, it's just that it loses its momentary nature and can infringe on moments and mental spaces that it ought not to, and mainstream music (which makes the vast majority of playback time) is always destructive. You can listen to music in a positive manner if you listen to music with both artistic and ritualistic value. As the screenshot post states, music used to mark special events, and underscore important social or spiritual currents. Frequent listening both desensitizes you to great music, and lowers it to the mundane. For genres, you basically have to choose between classical and traditional folk, or if you're experienced with symbolism and harmonics, you can also take a gamble on more modern, experimental tracks. Anything that falls neatly into one modern genre is the plague and you better keep away from it.
>>23684 I tend to stick to vidya music. And 80s music because I'm a nostalgia faggot.
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>>23666 Ahahahhaha saved, I'm dying
I am still an abrahamist in the sense that when clown world makes me disturbed, I shudder and ask for the kike to do justice. Of course this is illogical since christcuck will defend this degeneracy and let degenerates run amok if they belong to their church . Thoughts on getting rid of this?
>>24376 >I shudder and ask for the kike to do justice If you're asking Jesus, just ask God instead if you're disturbed by asking a jew. There is nothing inherently Abrahamic about this.
>>24376 >I am still an abrahamist in the sense that when clown world makes me disturbed, I shudder and ask for the kike to do justice. I don't see a problem with this I agree with >>24385

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